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Oh noes! How will you convince people it's not an april fool's joke? 05:37:05 <chaos95> - Your pal, chaos95 05:53:53 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 06:13:16 <Noldo> chaos95: I take it you haven't checked the release dates of earlier versions 06:55:50 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm26.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 06:59:09 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 07:06:25 *** cjmoto7692 [irc2gowebc@CPE-58-165-89-17.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 07:07:41 *** cjmoto7 [cjmoto7@CPE-58-165-89-17.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 07:07:49 *** cjmoto7692 [irc2gowebc@CPE-58-165-89-17.qld.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 07:11:11 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:13:58 *** cjmoto7 [cjmoto7@CPE-58-165-89-17.qld.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 07:14:00 *** cjmoto7 [cjmoto7@CPE-58-165-89-17.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 07:14:57 <cjmoto7> hey 07:16:42 *** cjmoto7 [cjmoto7@CPE-58-165-89-17.qld.bigpond.net.au] has left #openttd [] 07:20:01 <planetmaker> moin 07:21:20 <Rubidium> morning pm 07:25:51 <planetmaker> :-) indeed a wonderful one, if I look out of the window here 07:29:02 *** lordsagan [~lucas@125-238-240-84.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #openttd 07:29:19 <lordsagan> Hello 07:29:33 <planetmaker> hello 07:29:41 <lordsagan> :) 07:30:10 <lordsagan> Hey, I've installed openTTD several times and copied the necessary files listed and still it keeps on telling me my sample.cat is not there or is corrupt 07:30:17 <lordsagan> and I'm sure it's not 07:30:21 <lordsagan> Can you help, please? 07:30:24 <planetmaker> Which version ofOpenTTD? 07:30:51 <lordsagan> Let me see. I've got Ubuntu and downloaded it from the repository, not from the website... I'll check 07:31:11 <planetmaker> It will be a 0.7.x version... most probably 07:31:13 <Rubidium> so 0.7.ancient 07:31:32 <lordsagan> Uhmm.. 07:31:34 <Rubidium> unless it's an even older OpenTTD 07:31:37 <planetmaker> lordsagan: if you have a xterm open: 07:31:48 <Rubidium> and thus older Ubuntu 07:31:53 <planetmaker> touch ~/.openttd/data/sample.cat 07:32:13 <lordsagan> I don't know. it doesn't even say what version it is... as it refuses to run.. and the repository doesn't say either 07:32:16 <Rubidium> planetmaker: then it would still tell it's corrupt 07:32:21 <planetmaker> Getting a newer OpenTTD version is much more recommend. And getting the newest one in 14 days even more :-P 07:32:29 <planetmaker> Rubidium: true :-) 07:32:37 <lordsagan> I'd like to do that 07:32:45 <planetmaker> www.openttd.org 07:32:49 <Rubidium> lordsagan: openttd -h should tell you 07:32:54 <lordsagan> Yeah... I'm looking at the site now 07:33:00 <planetmaker> upper left 07:33:01 <lordsagan> Oh, let me try that 07:33:20 <Rubidium> the first line should tell the version 07:33:28 <lordsagan> OMG... it's really ancient! 07:33:29 <lordsagan> 0.6.3 07:33:35 <planetmaker> :-O 07:33:59 <planetmaker> Then even my advice won't work well 07:34:02 <lordsagan> Yet, it should work, because I did copy the correct file... but I definitely want the new one 07:34:33 <planetmaker> lordsagan: the readme, section 4.2 has the relevant dirs. Maybe you copied it to the wrong place 07:34:34 <Rubidium> lordsagan: if OpenTTD tells it's corrupt there is a 99% chance it actually is corrupted, i.e. not the original 07:35:08 <Rubidium> but yes, putting it in the wrong directory is quite likely too 07:35:12 <planetmaker> lordsagan: screw you 0.6.3. Get a new one :-) 07:35:29 <lordsagan> I have the running original DOS game and yesterday I downloaded the windows one especially to get that file. Yet... you're right, that one is too old 07:35:42 <lordsagan> Hey, I'd like to help... 07:36:26 <lordsagan> How're you doing about music? I can compose music.... I can program too, but I have never done it in teams, so probably I wouldn't help much that way 07:36:36 <lordsagan> :) 07:36:47 <planetmaker> We love music contributions :-) 07:37:01 <planetmaker> I just thought of uploading an updated version :-) 07:37:07 <planetmaker> But it's still not a complete set 07:37:08 <Rubidium> lordsagan: you can try to install the Debian Lenny package (because we don't build binaries for Jaunty) 07:37:28 <Rubidium> planetmaker: what is complete for the music? :) 07:37:45 <planetmaker> Rubidium: at least a song for each entry 07:37:59 <Rubidium> that's more songs than the original 07:38:07 <lordsagan> I guess it'd run fine. I'll try it 07:38:10 <planetmaker> Oh, really? Hm... 07:38:45 <planetmaker> No reason to change the statement, though :-P 07:38:58 <Rubidium> planetmaker: there are 22 songs in the original 07:39:10 <planetmaker> And 31 in the music set format :-) 07:39:18 <planetmaker> We now have 16 or 17 07:39:24 <Rubidium> planetmaker: 18 07:39:30 <lordsagan> So you DO already have many new original songs for openTTD? 07:39:32 <Rubidium> counting the .mids 07:39:36 <planetmaker> :-) 07:39:47 <lordsagan> Well, anyway, it'd be fun 07:39:51 <planetmaker> I didn't count. I tried to remember ;-) 07:39:59 <planetmaker> Obviously I forgot over night 07:40:51 <planetmaker> quite honestly lordsagan: The music set is the only base set which is not yet 100% replacing the original 07:41:10 <lordsagan> uhm... 07:41:38 <planetmaker> So, if you can compose midi and like to do so... http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=46479 07:41:58 <planetmaker> it needs midi, though. Not everyone can produce that 07:42:10 <lordsagan> Let me see that one. I sure do. I'm a musician and I've worked with MIDI before. 07:42:26 <planetmaker> uhhhh :-) 07:42:27 <lordsagan> I've coded my own editors :)... for DOS 07:43:02 <lordsagan> I have a music problem lastly, because I'm on a trip and I'm using a laptop... and this one does not have actual MIDI hardware 07:43:34 <lordsagan> But once back on my desktop PC, I can work much more efficiently 07:43:41 <lordsagan> :) 07:44:12 <peter1138> just remember it needs to sound nice with something like timidity 07:44:18 <peter1138> which is quite hard :s 07:45:00 <lordsagan> Yeah... 'cause actually most computers don't have true MIDI hardware today 07:46:49 <lordsagan> Well, I can work them and test them on different systems and see how they emulate MIDI 07:49:58 <peter1138> timidity and the windows softsynth are the two common synths 07:52:52 <lordsagan> Yeah... 07:55:57 <lordsagan> I'll do my best. It certainly is going to be better with an OGG decoder... but for composing, MIDI is a very good "master" format. 07:56:04 <lordsagan> Now I'll try to get the game running... 07:56:09 <planetmaker> :-) 07:56:23 <lordsagan> So it says here you do have a DOS port! 07:56:46 <planetmaker> doesn't say it has binaries, though 07:56:53 <lordsagan> Ahhh 07:56:53 <planetmaker> and it's missing network support 07:57:11 <planetmaker> ( a DOS limitation, not OpenTTD's fault, though) 07:57:55 <lordsagan> But for LAN, you can do IPX 07:58:19 <andythenorth> who is denialmark and what is he doing in the forums? 07:59:34 <peter1138> spamming 08:00:38 <andythenorth> thought so 08:00:54 <andythenorth> wondered if it was a very smart bot 08:01:24 <peter1138> they've taken to posting 'relevant' looking content 08:01:31 <peter1138> then editing it later to add adverts 08:02:11 <planetmaker> smart bots :S 08:02:17 * andythenorth beetles off to draw some trains 08:02:29 <peter1138> alas, i can only moderate the ottd section 08:05:08 <lordsagan> It runs! :) 08:05:32 <lordsagan> It ran :( 08:07:57 <planetmaker> ? 08:08:06 <lordsagan> Something weird happens 08:08:20 <lordsagan> I installed the new one... and copied the required files in the data directory 08:08:33 <lordsagan> It still says it cannot open "sample.cat" 08:08:38 <lordsagan> but... 08:08:52 <lordsagan> if I go into the Windows TTD and run openttd from that directory 08:08:54 <lordsagan> it works 08:09:21 <planetmaker> lordsagan: you should consider to use ~/.openttd/data as the data dir 08:09:28 <planetmaker> not the one relative to your binary 08:09:52 <lordsagan> That's what I want... but if I run the game from there, it says it can't open the file, even when it's there 08:10:08 <lordsagan> I don't get it 08:11:14 <lordsagan> Ah, no... I see.... I think 08:11:24 <lordsagan> The game got installed into /usr/share/games/openttd 08:11:30 <lordsagan> but the binary is not there... 08:11:36 <lordsagan> it's where all binaries are 08:11:51 <lordsagan> I should move it to ~ 08:12:05 <lordsagan> But then other users won't be able to run it... 08:12:21 <lordsagan> arrgg.... 08:12:42 <planetmaker> lordsagan: do you *have* other users? 08:13:22 <planetmaker> hm... 3.5k music set downloads so far. 08:13:32 <lordsagan> mm... well, nobody constant. I guess I can just let that go :P 08:13:47 <lordsagan> Well... it runs anyway :) 08:14:06 <planetmaker> well.... I never used an installer for OpenTTD. I just downloaded, unziped and were happy. 08:14:30 <planetmaker> despite that it should work. 08:14:53 <lordsagan> Yeah, I just double-clicked the DEB file and it did this 08:15:21 <lordsagan> But it's OK... 08:15:55 <lordsagan> Some work in the console will do me more good than bad 08:16:26 <lordsagan> Thank you, guys 08:16:37 <lordsagan> Hey, how can I register/"reserve" this nickname here? 08:16:47 <lordsagan> Can I? 08:16:56 <peter1138> speak to nickserv 08:17:14 <lordsagan> OK 08:17:37 <lordsagan> Thanks again. I'll try the game now and you'll hear back from me :) 08:18:10 *** lordsagan [~lucas@125-238-240-84.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has left #openttd [] 08:18:14 <planetmaker> :-) ... 08:30:06 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@7.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 08:30:39 <Terkhen> good morning 08:32:57 <Noldo> morning 08:51:12 <planetmaker> hm... how annoying. FireFox crashed over night... 08:52:31 <Rubidium> planetmaker: use Debian... now more firefox crashing (only iceweasel) 08:53:58 <planetmaker> he... :-) 08:54:32 <planetmaker> btw, if it was an advertisement, it went wrong ;-) Single letter differences matter sometimes ;-) 09:29:59 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F50D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:32:11 *** elmz_ [~elmz@vpn-223090.vpn-s.ntnu.no] has joined #openttd 09:34:12 *** DanMacK [~here@65.94.201.53] has joined #openttd 09:34:30 <DanMacK> Hello all 09:35:09 <andythenorth> morning DanMacK 09:38:13 <peter1138> hi 09:38:57 *** elmz [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:46:23 *** DanMacK [~here@65.94.201.53] has quit [] 09:46:32 * andythenorth considers trolley poles for tram locos 09:46:41 <andythenorth> 1px things tend to look a bit....crap 09:50:04 *** Tennel [~Tennel@88.150.10.171] has joined #openttd 09:54:20 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:54:47 <planetmaker> moin andythenorth 09:54:58 <andythenorth> morning 09:54:59 <planetmaker> hm... what's a trolley pole? 09:57:59 <andythenorth> pantograph 10:00:30 * andythenorth likes drawing symmetrical sprites 10:02:45 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 10:03:04 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 10:04:16 <planetmaker> thanks. That word was not in my dictionaries :-) Pantograph is something I know - meanwhile thanks to hanging around here. 10:05:34 <Rubidium> I would've said that it was the pole the (e.g. SF) tram drivers use to put the pantograph back onto the catenary once it lost contact 10:11:15 *** TheMask96 [martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 10:12:44 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:14:59 *** JVassie_ [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:15:02 *** elmz [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 10:22:45 *** elmz_ [~elmz@vpn-223090.vpn-s.ntnu.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:31:50 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-19-44.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 10:49:44 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@7.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 10:52:50 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@186.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 10:53:14 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc17fc.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:10:14 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 11:15:36 *** Tennel [~Tennel@88.150.10.171] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.1.1] 11:35:36 *** OwenS`Phone [~mirggi@82.132.136.148] has joined #openttd 11:36:10 *** heffer [~felix@mue-88-130-123-228.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #openttd 11:37:04 *** heffer_ [~felix@mue-88-130-104-105.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #openttd 11:37:45 <andythenorth> meh 11:38:16 <andythenorth> road vehicle depot view can't be perfect when changing wagon lengths dynamically 11:39:21 <andythenorth> since when is a pixel not a pixel? 11:39:47 <peter1138> did it ever get changed to 32 pixels? 11:40:07 <Rubidium> andythenorth: since an electron can behave like a wave? 11:40:21 <andythenorth> Rubidium :D 11:40:42 <Rubidium> unless you watch the electron... because then it behaves like a matter 11:44:29 *** heffer [~felix@mue-88-130-123-228.dsl.tropolys.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:49:57 <OwenS`Phone> And hence the quantum bomb detector ;-) 11:50:43 <gathers> has anyone been trying my automated timetable separation patch? any ideas/feedback would be appreciated. ( http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=46391 ) 11:51:16 <gathers> I know more comments are needed at some places in the code, but aside from that. 11:54:57 <OwenS`Phone> Gathers: as a fellow patch developer... Ive had one person submit a bug report. And yet ive found two big bugs which a bit of play would have uncovered... 11:57:02 <gathers> anything you'd care to share? 11:57:45 <OwenS`Phone> Look at ProgSigs git log for details 11:58:06 <gathers> where can I find that? 11:58:23 <SpComb> gathers: I think Owen's point here is that people don't report bugs 11:59:31 <SpComb> like the "delete shared orders and game crashes" thing - it took a while for anyone to complain about it :/ 12:00:16 <SpComb> particularly on my side, when I neglected to update my build for a while 12:00:43 <gathers> SpComb, hence why I'm asking here to see if anyone who've had problems they didn't post might say something to me. 12:00:59 <SpComb> quite 12:01:10 <OwenS`Phone> One of the reasons im glad were gonna have Progsigs on #openttdcoop.dev soon 12:01:18 <SpComb> I haven't actually play-tested the new autosep version myself 12:01:56 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.17.249.21] has joined #openttd 12:03:14 <gathers> what time I've had I've tended to spend messing in the code rather that actually playtesting 12:03:37 <planetmaker> a common mistake ;-) 12:04:08 <planetmaker> though the threshold where what pays off more is a function of willing testers besides the author 12:04:10 <OwenS`Phone> Thats why i'm glad Progsigs is about feature complete :) 12:05:50 <OwenS`Phone> OK, Physics time 12:06:00 <Ammler> new railtype doesn't support individual signals, does it? 12:06:10 <planetmaker> hm... I have the perpetually... physics time ;-) 12:06:46 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has joined #openttd 12:07:03 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: it might be extendable so it shows different signal graphics 12:07:32 <Eddi|zuHause> it currently allows different catenary, so signals shouldn't be a big issue 12:08:14 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: so it doesn't now, it would need a patch? 12:08:25 <Ammler> or how you mean "extendable"? 12:08:30 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: i believe so, yes 12:09:11 *** sparr [~kvirc@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:09:13 <Ammler> transrapid tracks would quite much like it. 12:10:21 <Starn> OwenS`Phone how are you on a phone? please don't say home made program :P 12:11:22 <Ammler> Starn: you should rather ask, why should we care, how he does connect to irc 12:11:23 <peter1138> plenty of irc clients for mobiles... 12:11:55 <Starn> ammler i have mobile phones and devices and maybe i would like to be able to. 12:12:01 <Starn> peter1138 thank you. 12:12:14 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-218-110.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:12:26 <Ammler> still no reason to change nick 12:13:01 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, i don't change nicks either :p 12:13:28 <Ammler> you're always at home :-P 12:14:54 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:17:59 *** noeN [~Neon@dslb-088-069-218-110.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:18:59 *** heffer_ [~felix@mue-88-130-104-105.dsl.tropolys.de] has quit [Quit: heffer_] 12:23:05 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-218-110.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:26:19 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7464D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:26:39 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7464D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:35:35 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:43:40 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc17fc.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:51:27 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 12:52:48 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 13:00:58 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d160.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 13:01:25 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:1e7:ca6b:6041:88e4] has joined #openttd 13:01:28 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:06:49 *** ptr_ [~peter@130.237.42.124] has joined #openttd 13:08:27 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:23:20 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:28:55 <OwenS`Phone> Ammler: i often leave my phone connected when at my PC. Also, it lets you know I may respond more slowly as I cant type as fast on a touchscreen 13:30:46 <Ammler> he :-P 13:32:43 *** goblin_ [~goblin@krlh-5f7252d7.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 13:32:55 <OwenS`Phone> Starn: I use mIRGGI for Symbian s60 13:34:27 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: http://tt-foundry.com/misc/henningsdorf_tram.png 13:36:00 <Eddi|zuHause> what a beauty :) 13:36:52 <__ln__> cool 13:37:20 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: I'll pm you the grf 13:37:33 <andythenorth> one more electric tram to do 13:37:40 <Eddi|zuHause> right, but i probably won't get to testing it today... 13:38:16 <Terkhen> that's a lot of coal :P 13:39:32 <Belugas> good morning/afternoon/evening/night all 13:39:59 <andythenorth> Terkhen: useful if you have a lot of coal to move :) 13:41:49 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: that's 6/8+n*4/8? 13:41:58 <Terkhen> indeed, that is usually the case at my RV only games 13:43:13 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: the one in the screenie is 5/8 + n*4/8 13:43:23 <andythenorth> I'm about to draw 5/8 + (??) 13:43:29 <andythenorth> gah, 6/8 13:43:46 <andythenorth> today is a big face palm day 13:44:36 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 14:04:10 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 14:31:09 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 14:33:00 *** goblin_ [~goblin@krlh-5f7252d7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:48:35 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 15:10:20 <fjb> Cute trams. 15:11:20 <SpComb> long tram is long 15:18:21 <fjb> Hm, compressed air powered trams would also be nice. :) 15:19:20 <Eddi|zuHause> doesn't really make a difference as long as there are no non-electrified tram rails 15:20:49 <fjb> They will come when road types are ready. 15:22:22 <Eddi|zuHause> that probably won't be in the next two weeks... 15:31:21 *** ptr_ [~peter@130.237.42.124] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 15:36:20 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-mlimmlgw1-ff1ec000-127.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 15:41:25 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 15:53:20 <Sevalecan> how can a compile an openttd binary so that it doesn't use a fixed path to locate the data with --data-dir, however it does it with the linux binary on the site? 15:54:28 <Eddi|zuHause> what? 15:55:32 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: "I'm trying to do something, but I'm not telling you that. Instead I guessed what might be broken and ask a question how to fix what I assume is broken" 15:55:59 <Sevalecan> wrong. 15:56:23 <Sevalecan> I'm making changes to the binary for fun against the AI, and I don't like the idea of having to install openttd to an absolute path on my system every time I make a new copy 15:56:25 <Sevalecan> :P 15:56:42 <Sevalecan> I'd rather it just say "hey, I'll take the CWD and find the files from here" 15:57:19 <Rubidium> Sevalecan: have you read the readme? The part about where OpenTTD searches for the files? 15:57:30 <Sevalecan> I wasn't aware it covered that, I'll go check :P 16:00:08 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:02:46 *** Splex [~splex@n219079142042.netvigator.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:03:14 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:10:57 *** Splex [~splex@n219079142042.netvigator.com] has joined #openttd 16:12:30 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 16:26:00 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:31:22 <andythenorth> Industrial Trams: done http://tt-foundry.com/misc/industrial_trams.png 16:31:34 <andythenorth> The big one is 1020hp, up to 390t 16:37:12 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D9C24.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:37:46 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@186.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:38:10 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@186.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 16:39:59 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:45:05 <Eddi|zuHause> looks good... now loading stages and closed wagons :) 16:45:43 <andythenorth> I knew that would be the next request 9.9 16:45:50 <andythenorth> anyone want to draw wagons? 16:46:23 <Eddi|zuHause> i wonder how you want to put wood or heavy machinery on these tiny wagons, though :) 16:47:38 *** Priski [~priski@ihq.in] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:48:25 <Sevalecan> heh 16:50:15 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: you may be able to read this better than me :P 16:50:15 <andythenorth> http://www.feldbahn-riedlhuette.de/Spiegelau/website13000.htm 16:50:34 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 16:52:33 <Eddi|zuHause> they say that it was one of the largest forest railways in western and central europe, and that hardly anything is left 16:52:51 <andythenorth> well those pictures answer the log question :) 16:52:55 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: wooden rail rots :) 16:53:06 <andythenorth> heavy machinery ain't travelling by tram :) 16:53:26 <andythenorth> apart from a peat bog, anywhere a tram can go, a bulldozer can go :) 16:54:58 <andythenorth> http://www.feldbahn-riedlhuette.de/Spiegelau/website13010b.htm 16:55:14 <Sevalecan> my attempts at adding a button are unsuccessful :'( 16:56:07 <Starn> good evening ladies and gents 17:01:16 <Sevalecan> clearly I am doing something horribly wrong. I can't even delete an existing button. ::) 17:02:18 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.feldbahn-riedlhuette.de/Spiegelau/website13005.f.htm 17:02:20 <Sevalecan> ah, got it. 17:05:21 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: hmmm, might look weird in curves :) 17:05:27 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@186.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:05:38 *** DJNekkid [~thomas@static128-249.adsl.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:05:40 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: http://www.feldbahn-riedlhuette.de/Spiegelau/website13005.a.htm :) 17:05:52 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@186.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 17:05:55 <andythenorth> save that one already 17:06:02 <andythenorth> implement *that* in OTTD :) 17:06:33 <Rubidium> 90 degree turns? :) 17:07:04 <Sevalecan> cool, my button works \o/ 17:07:21 <andythenorth> drive, stop, turn, drive :) 17:09:20 <Rubidium> although that image reminds me of the VLA 17:10:49 <Eddi|zuHause> "2-achsige Rungenwagen kamen in der Regel auf Waldbahnen nicht zum Einsatz." <-- stake cars were not used 17:14:48 <andythenorth> trams - todo: load sprites, more wagons, modern liveries. 17:15:17 <andythenorth> and then....diesels! But that needs roadtypes :o 17:17:00 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:24:17 *** DJNekkid [~thomas@static128-249.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 17:25:07 *** Priski [priski@ihq.in] has joined #openttd 17:27:48 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 17:33:10 <Starn> Rubidium are you the primary one i've noticed that uses virtual box? 17:33:50 <planetmaker> there are also other precious stones 17:34:01 <planetmaker> :-P 17:37:40 <Rubidium> I am not the one 17:37:57 <Rubidium> or at least, I didn't get my meds yet 17:38:09 <Starn> lol 17:41:25 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@156.79.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 17:45:50 *** TheMask96 [martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:46:45 * andythenorth cracks knuckles, prepares to draw some stupid wagons :P 17:48:09 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 17:48:12 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@186.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 17:48:14 * andythenorth sacks the wagons, decides to write some documentation instead :) 17:50:12 <Starn> will 384mb ram be enough for linux to compile openTTD? 17:50:29 <Starn> i know its enought for my bot project... 17:50:29 <Rubidium> depends on the compiler 17:50:50 <Starn> not sure yet.. looking into that after i get linux setup i can change the amount of ram. 17:51:02 <Rubidium> some versions of GCC-LTO did not think 8 GB was enough 17:51:14 <Starn> holy crapper 17:51:17 <Rubidium> but... 384 should be more than enough 17:51:33 <glx> I usually set the VM to 1GB 17:51:50 <Starn> i only have 1gb... 17:51:56 <Starn> <--- poor man. 17:51:57 <glx> I have 4 ;) 17:52:09 <OwenS> Curious... where has my Solaris box' grub menu.lst gone? 17:52:11 <Rubidium> IIRC the CF's use 256MB per VM to compile 17:52:20 <Starn> i am poor unemployed and disabled lol so atm i cant afford more ram :P 17:52:22 <glx> 1 GB on win7 64 bit ? 17:52:46 <Starn> yes... it runs faster than 1gb on vista 64... 17:52:57 <OwenS> ...or... How the hell is Solaris booting without a menu.lst?! 17:53:03 <glx> that's very low, minimum recommended is 2GB 17:53:07 *** TheMask96 [martijn@lust.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:53:22 <Rubidium> OwenS: grub2? 17:53:33 <Starn> i know.. but i do not have XP and win 7 was only OS i was able to get for free other than vista.. and vista was pre installed. 17:53:42 <OwenS> Rubidium: their fork of Grub Legacy with ZFS support 17:53:47 <OwenS> And I checked for grub.conf too 17:55:20 <Rubidium> oh, gcc-lto relatively current takes 1GB to link OpenTTD 17:57:44 <Rubidium> and the CF's VMs are assigned 384 MiB except Windows gets 448 MiB 17:58:23 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 17:58:55 <OwenS> Its in /rpool/boot/grub/menu.lst it seems 17:59:59 <OwenS> ... I have seven OpenSolaris boot configurations installed. Perhaps its time to trim out some fat 18:04:14 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm26.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:06:18 <andythenorth> I wrote up some of the newgrf debug suggestions: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=47679&p=867033#p867033 18:12:27 <Rubidium> in the development forum? :) 18:12:57 <Rubidium> luckily for you you didn't add them to the "shouldn't implement" thread in "General OpenTTD"! 18:14:15 <Ammler> andythenorth: "Patch available" should link to the patch 18:14:41 <Ammler> else you should write "I have a patch :-P" 18:14:45 <andythenorth> Rubidium: well some of them have been developed :) 18:14:53 <andythenorth> Ammler: the patch is in the same thread, I'll link up to it 18:15:01 <Ammler> ah ok :-) 18:16:43 <Eddi|zuHause> <Ammler> else you should write "I have a patch :-P" <-- that phrase is reserved :p 18:16:59 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: to MLK? 18:17:12 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: ?? 18:17:35 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MLK 18:17:52 <Rubidium> oh, s/to/by/ maybe? 18:18:14 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:18:17 <andythenorth> I didn't write the fricking patch anyway, Yexo did :P 18:18:38 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: but that was a dream, not a patch :) 18:20:09 <Starn> can some one point me to an alternitive to compiling openTTD on linux for windows other than whats on the wiki. i prefer to do less downloading.. 18:21:02 <Rubidium> Starn: /msg petert go compile my openttd? 18:21:26 <Starn> lol i rather do it my self. 18:22:12 <Starn> for i plan on getting my hands dirty so to speak. 18:22:16 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 18:22:35 <Ammler> mingw on the wiki? 18:22:50 <Starn> yea i don't really like mingw.... heh 18:23:10 <Rubidium> oh... talking about the wiki... it's old 18:23:21 <Starn> i've noticed... 18:23:34 <Starn> people tend to direct me there a lot though. 18:24:00 <Starn> i manage to work with what was givin to me so far. 18:24:09 <Rubidium> yeah, but talking about the cross compile page in particular 18:24:19 <Starn> execpt compiling on windows 7 64bit with 2008... 18:24:32 <Rubidium> it doesn't work that way for *at least* 3 years 18:24:43 <Rubidium> what distro are you using? 18:24:51 <glx> compiling on 7 64bit with 2008 express works well 18:24:52 <Starn> ubuntu 9.10 18:25:12 <Starn> it would not function for me for openTTD_vs90... 18:25:22 <glx> then your install is broken 18:25:29 <Starn> i figured that.. 18:25:32 <Rubidium> Starn: try installing the mingw-binutils, mingw-runtime, mingw packages that (might) come with the distro 18:26:15 <Starn> oh yea it is easier to download with ubuntu than windows i can just go to app-dpt w/e lol forgot that.. yay i guess i will use the mingw stuff 18:26:18 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f5aac.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:26:49 <glx> no other way when windows is the target ;) 18:26:50 <Starn> been few years since i've used ubuntu or debian based os. 18:28:06 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 18:29:37 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host49-16-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:30:09 <Wolf01> hellol :D 18:30:16 <Alberth> evenink 18:30:51 <planetmaker> odd ink ;-) 18:31:33 <Wolf01> mmh is it possible that file transfer via wi-fi on ad-hoc mode is really (7Kbps) slow? 18:32:04 <Rubidium> if it's using a channel that's seriously congested: definitely 18:32:42 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:35:23 <Wolf01> I'll retry via bluetooth, I'll might reboot and remove the bridge from wi-fi to lan 18:35:58 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:36:48 <Ammler> bluetooth shouldn't be faster, would be silly :-) 18:37:16 <Rubidium> yeah, especially because it uses the same frequency bands 18:39:08 *** Ryand-Smith [~W@209.212.25.30] has joined #openttd 18:39:12 <Ryand-Smith> sup all 18:39:21 <Wolf01> at least I can sync with BT connection 18:39:27 <Noldo> tis an tat 18:40:41 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 18:40:42 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.18.171] has joined #openttd 18:43:20 <Wolf01> ok, it doesn't work, too old dongle 18:43:35 <Starn> duel monitors and Virtual machine oddly rocks my socks off.. <--- is excited 18:44:01 <Wolf01> Cable!!!! (as Medic!!) 18:44:36 *** Hyronymus [~chatzilla@s5591a1ba.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 18:45:32 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: translators * r19519 /trunk/src/lang/ (arabic_egypt.txt lithuanian.txt): 18:45:32 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:32 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: arabic_egypt - 2 changes by kasakg 18:45:32 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: lithuanian - 2 changes by kiphemyst 18:46:09 <Wolf01> MS should code an application to enable smartphones with motion sensor to be used as wiimote for the Xbox360 18:46:41 *** traxx [535d0308@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 18:46:54 <Noldo> it propably would be enough just to give reasonable interface 18:46:58 <Starn> they have a project to creat wiimote like controler for xbox. 18:47:10 <Starn> just like sony does. 18:48:18 <Wolf01> Oh, I can confirm that OTTD works like a charm on my new Omnia2 18:49:06 <traxx> hey i need help to setup a Dedicated Server in ottd. i cant get it to work :S 18:52:17 <glx> @ports 18:52:17 <DorpsGek> glx: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service, a.k.a. BaNaNaS (outbound) 18:53:15 *** traxx [535d0308@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 18:53:55 * andythenorth wonders if the game could compare cargo translation tables between grfs to establish if cargos provided by one are supported by another? 18:53:57 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:56:28 * Starn wonders if the coders of openTTD could build and code a machine to read human thoughts | ;) 18:56:36 <PeterT> Starn: The Cross-compiling wiki article doesn't work anyway 18:56:44 <PeterT> Rubidium: He was asking for a guide :-P 18:56:48 <Starn> eh 18:56:55 <Starn> indeed. 18:58:10 <Starn> PeterT: do you know of a way to cross compile openTTD? i assume its kinda like cross compiling python... or uhg i forgot the other one i use... 18:58:39 <PeterT> [14:56:37] <PeterT> Starn: The Cross-compiling wiki article doesn't work anyway 18:59:09 <PeterT> I think there was a channel on freenode about a mingw-fedora cross compiler 18:59:24 <PeterT> they could help you find one 18:59:31 <Starn> PeterT: so no alteritives? for thats kinda what i wanted in the first place.. 18:59:42 <glx> Starn: usual ./configure --host 19:00:03 <glx> but you'll need cross compiled lib too 19:01:22 <Starn> the cross compiled lib not to hard... or at least not for what i am use to... not use to C++ :\ 19:17:43 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-147-043.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:19:41 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 19:33:23 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:34:10 *** PeterT_ [~Peter@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:35:53 *** PeterT_ [~Peter@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #openttd [] 19:38:50 *** PeterT_ [~Peter@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:39:23 *** Brianett1 [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:42:16 *** Brianett1 [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 19:54:04 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:59:02 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:02:27 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-mlimmlgw1-ff1ec000-127.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 20:03:24 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:03:40 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc17fc.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 20:07:49 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 20:10:21 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 20:10:24 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:11:32 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@host86-147-226-93.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:15:21 *** wallyweb [~chatzilla@CPE00195b4da7c6-CM0012c99eb0fe.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 20:15:44 <wallyweb> andythenorth: Cool :-D 20:16:00 <andythenorth> wallyweb: we'd need to twist planetmaker's arm a bit 20:16:16 <andythenorth> but basically there could be two versions built, one OTTD and one TTDP 20:16:30 <wallyweb> You do it ... If I do it he might twist back ;-) 20:20:51 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc17fc.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:22:05 <Eddi|zuHause> version of what? 20:22:45 <andythenorth> HEQS 20:22:56 <andythenorth> and also probably FISH as well if wanted 20:23:11 <andythenorth> afk 20:23:18 <wallyweb> Ooooh! SHIPS too? 20:24:07 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:24:26 * wallyweb holds planetmaker so that andythenorth can apply arm pressure 20:25:28 <wallyweb> bbl 20:25:34 *** wallyweb [~chatzilla@CPE00195b4da7c6-CM0012c99eb0fe.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #openttd [] 20:25:34 <Eddi|zuHause> "besser arm dran als arm ab." 20:29:59 <Ammler> andythenorth: it isn't just a case of the Makefile, also you need to filter which vehicle you like to replace with 20:30:38 <frosch123> or turn them all into refit options :p 20:30:43 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 20:31:04 <Rubidium> or just write a patch to implement "engine pool" 20:31:19 <Eddi|zuHause> that'll make a lot of people happy :p 20:31:55 <Ammler> 5? 20:32:27 <frosch123> though i wonder what heqs is doing in a train game 20:32:43 <Rubidium> Ammler: probably more; yesterday 43 TTDP nightlies were downloaded 20:33:24 <Rubidium> oh, make that 33 (shouldn't include the checksums) 20:33:30 <frosch123> so more than ottd trunk for osx 20:34:21 <Rubidium> frosch123: yes 20:34:21 <frosch123> one quarter of ttdp downloaders check the checksums? 20:34:53 <Rubidium> frosch123: no, one person 10 times in 2 minutes 20:35:02 <Ammler> bots? 20:35:13 <Rubidium> some Russian Opera users (according to UA) 20:39:19 <andythenorth> Ammler: the vehicle IDs are all defines (or will be soon), so 'just' run two versions of ids.pnfo, and the file which assembles the includes 20:39:33 <andythenorth> i.e. ids_ttd.pnfo and ids_ottd.pnfo 20:39:53 <Ammler> andythenorth: I meant, that is the smaller part :-) 20:40:02 <andythenorth> what is the larger part? Set design? 20:40:09 <Ammler> writing ids_ttd.pnfo might be hard 20:40:22 <andythenorth> why? 20:40:47 <Ammler> you just like to replace starting with vehcile id 0? 20:41:33 <andythenorth> Ammler: I personally don't care. My interest in ttdp can be measured by the gap between these two pipe chars: || 20:41:46 <andythenorth> of course, depending on your font, that could be quite a lot :P 20:42:28 <Ammler> hmm, you could ask wallyweb to write that file 20:43:24 <Ammler> Foobar once made a kind of sheme for id usage 20:44:33 <Rubidium> andythenorth: one can draw an infinite amount of lines between those 20:48:10 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-165-139-48.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 21:07:23 *** Seki [~Seki@c-71-237-70-85.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:13:39 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19520 /extra/ottd_grf/ (Makefile split/openttdgui.nfo split/openttdgui.pcx): 21:13:39 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: [OTTD_GRF] -Add: NewGRF 'debug' icon 21:13:39 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: [OTTD_GRF] -Change: build support for using nforenum instead of renum 21:22:27 *** Ryand-Smith [~W@209.212.25.30] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:25:26 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc17fc.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 21:28:18 *** mickster04 [~mickster0@94.72.193.228] has joined #openttd 21:28:48 <mickster04> where do i find out about setting up servers like goal servers etc? 21:30:22 <frosch123> afaik there are no open-source goal servers. so you have to invent it yourself. 21:30:50 <mickster04> mustard?boh:( there are so many open goal servers and i've asked on them about setting one up but no one really answered... 21:31:07 <frosch123> or you could search for all ottd contributors and convince them to relicense it with the apl license (or how is it called?) 21:31:27 <Rubidium> frosch123: oh... nasty :) 21:31:30 <mickster04> gpl? 21:31:57 <OwenS> frosch123: You mean Affero GPL? 21:32:09 <frosch123> yeah, that one 21:32:40 <OwenS> If OpenTTD is "GPLv2 or later" (I'm not sure and don't particularly care) then you can actually link AGPL and GPL code 21:33:45 <frosch123> ottd does not have the "or later" term 21:34:06 <OwenS> OK, then things get complex :p 21:37:07 <SmatZ> GPL is "GPLv2 or later"? 21:37:15 <SmatZ> and AGPL? 21:37:17 <SmatZ> strange 21:37:36 <SmatZ> I thought AGPL is something different 21:37:46 <OwenS> I must say I'm personally an ISC license guy :p 21:38:08 <SmatZ> oh no a lawyer 21:38:16 <OwenS> lol 21:38:17 <SmatZ> :) 21:38:37 <OwenS> The ISC license continues doing what the X11 license did to the BSD one: Namely, chopping off baggage no longer needed by copyright law 21:39:26 * SmatZ licences OwenS under Microsoft EULA 21:39:49 <SmatZ> if you hurt me, it's only my fault :-p 21:40:49 * andythenorth wonders why changing pcx files + reloading a grf crashes the game 21:41:18 <Alberth> we made it that way, just for you :p 21:41:47 <SmatZ> :) 21:42:33 <SmatZ> OwenS: "no longer needed by copyright law" in what country? 21:43:14 <OwenS> SmatZ: Berne Convention 21:43:23 <OwenS> I.E. international law 21:43:28 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-62-199.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:43:35 <OwenS> (Is it the Berne Convention? Or is it something else? I forget : P) 21:43:39 <SmatZ> interesting 21:44:18 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:45:33 <OwenS> In interesting news, Apache 1.3 is now officially dead 21:46:13 <mickster04> :( 21:46:23 <SmatZ> now? 21:46:30 <OwenS> Well, has been for a few weeks 21:46:44 <SmatZ> I thought it has been for years :) 21:46:45 <OwenS> ASF have officially dropped support as nobody wants to work on 1.3 (or 2.0) any more 21:46:56 <OwenS> No, they were still doing security maintanance 21:47:21 <SmatZ> that's nice 21:48:39 <mickster04> well i use 2.2 21:50:35 *** lukinha [lukinha@189-68-28-181.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #openttd 21:51:43 <OwenS> I must say I dont understand why so many sites still run 1.3... 21:52:08 <frosch123> [22:32] <mickster04> where do i find out about setting up servers like goal servers etc? <- hmm, actually, maybe there was some city builder patch on the forums 21:52:31 <mickster04> hmmm 21:52:37 <frosch123> i remember some released patch with 4 or 5 hardcoded server passwords in it 21:52:49 <Ammler> and hardcoded ports 21:53:27 <Rubidium> oh, I thought the if (a == "foo") { } else if (a == "bar") {} ... was the fun part 21:54:06 <frosch123> no, the testing of generated numbers without using the actualy constants 21:54:49 <OwenS> Rubidium: what... comparing strings by pointers? 21:55:36 <Sevalecan> my Buy Rights button works \o/ it automatically buys exclusive transport rights in every town the selected company occupies ;) goodbye, NoCAB! :P 21:55:48 <Rubidium> OwenS: yap 21:55:59 <OwenS> uuuggghhh 21:56:06 <Jolteon> Sevalecan: Expensive :O 21:56:57 <Sevalecan> yeah, it's costing 66 million a pop right now. Considering that I have no inflation and towns set to "very low" 21:57:41 *** fjb is now known as Guest308 21:57:43 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C391.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:58:21 <Sevalecan> (USD, that is) 21:58:45 <OwenS> Curse GAS assembly syntax' defaulting to load from address... 21:59:00 <SpComb> Sevalecan: just play without AIs :P 21:59:10 <OwenS> (As in, and 0xF, %al is (*0xF & al) ...) 21:59:16 <Sevalecan> that's no fun, I want to run them out of business! 22:00:15 <SmatZ> OwenS: indeed, why do you have to use gas syntax? 22:01:11 <OwenS> SmatZ: I actually generally prefer it. Thats my only niggle 22:01:14 <SpComb> Sevalecan: use the cheats to change over to their company and wreak havoc 22:01:23 <SmatZ> ouch 22:01:33 <SmatZ> masochist 22:02:45 <Sevalecan> I prefer my less cheaty way :P 22:03:37 <Sevalecan> also, finding out ctrl+drag on signals. 22:03:38 <Sevalecan> godsend. 22:05:00 *** Guest308 [~frank@p5485F84B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:06:47 *** lukinha [lukinha@189-68-28-181.dsl.telesp.net.br] has quit [] 22:07:45 <SmatZ> :) 22:08:49 <mickster04> what does ctrl+drag do? 22:10:00 <Sevalecan> it auto-completes a line of signals, turning even when the track turns, up until another batch of signals or a station 22:10:31 <Ammler> or... 22:19:25 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [] 22:21:42 *** aber [~alvin@p5B323A38.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:22:29 <mickster04> awesmome 22:23:58 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@156.79.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:34:41 <Sevalecan> it's the best thing since sliced bread. 22:34:44 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-19-44.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:34:59 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-19-44.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 22:38:23 *** noeN [~Neon@dslb-088-069-218-110.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Something strange must have happened...] 22:44:35 <frosch123> pre-sliced bread usually has too thin slices for my taste 22:57:10 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: ecke] 23:05:40 *** Hyronymus [~chatzilla@s5591a1ba.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.2/20100316074819]] 23:05:54 <Wolf01> 'night all 23:05:58 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host49-16-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:06:08 <DJNekkid> frosch123: makes two of us 23:08:25 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 23:15:11 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D9C24.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... Der, der blÀht, als hinterster geht!] 23:15:26 <fjb> And it tends to get dry early. 23:15:49 <Rubidium> fjb: you're mistaking it with toast :) 23:17:03 <fjb> I'm slicing my bread on my own. Where else would the fun be? 23:20:53 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F50D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:22:28 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:23:40 <Prof_Frink> Ah, but the best thing *for* sliced bread is Marmite. 23:25:12 <aber> I only know dynamite 23:26:38 *** OwenS`Phone [~mirggi@82.132.136.148] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:30:09 <Eddi|zuHause> let me quote: "Falls jemand nicht weiÃ, was Marmite ist: das ist ein Brotaufstrich mit Konsistenz und Geschmack von Teer aus dem StraÃenbau. Ganz, ganz furchtbar. Wenn sie das im Irak gefunden hÀtten, wÀre das ein klarer Fall von WMD gewesen." 23:30:36 <Rubidium> :O 23:31:29 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 23:31:45 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:32:22 <Eddi|zuHause> (http://blog.fefe.de/?ts=b56173df) 23:46:28 <frosch123> night, i am going to dream about porridge with marmite 23:46:33 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f5aac.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:47:31 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:47:35 *** PeterT_ [~Peter@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Goodbye] 23:48:52 *** PeterT_ [~Peter@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:48:54 <DJNekkid> have anyone seen "Team america" ? 23:49:32 <Eddi|zuHause> is that with the doll actors who fight kim yong il? 23:49:33 <PeterT> What an awful movie 23:50:13 <DJNekkid> it is starting in a few mins 23:50:23 <DJNekkid> but is it worth sitting up to 0240 for?:) 23:50:37 <PeterT> Not at all 23:50:44 <DJNekkid> oki... :) 23:51:37 <DJNekkid> nn then :) 23:52:05 <PeterT> good night! 23:52:50 <Eddi|zuHause> i agree. 23:55:46 *** mickster14 [~mickster0@adsl-83-100-157-218.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd