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Are there certain parts that are more wanted than others? 02:03:49 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@cpc3-pool12-2-0-cust451.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:04:16 <Wizzleby> s:familliar:familiar: 02:05:05 <glx> you just need to run configure 02:10:37 <Wizzleby> of that much I am aware, and then CFLAGS gets some oddball settings like -O3 -funroll-loops etc 02:11:06 <glx> looks like optimisation stuff 02:20:24 <Wizzleby> it is, it's rather agressive use of CFLAGS actually, practically ricing I'd say. For context, I am debugging the ebuild script to work properly with gentoo prefix on an OSX host, and so, unless I patch config.lib to remove that check, those CFLAGS get pulled in to a user's build, which causes failure on some systems 02:22:50 <Wizzleby> the general policy in Gentoo for CFLAGS is to respect the environment that portage passes to the build. But in this case, heavy optimisation is pulled in which can conflict with a user's global CFLAGS 02:27:06 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8dc39.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:29:44 <glx> well it's not really the right time to ask as most devs are in CEST time zone 02:30:45 <glx> and it's time to sleep for me 02:31:26 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:f4bc:4d61:3633:c45] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:20:18 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: ecke] 04:32:52 *** DJNekkid [~thomas@static128-249.adsl.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:43:52 *** DJNekkid [~thomas@static128-249.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 04:47:49 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 04:53:02 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-18-119.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:01:52 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 06:12:29 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@205.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 06:13:45 <Terkhen> damned DST 06:14:19 <Rubidium> yeah... how can you be saving daylight when there is more daylight? 06:22:47 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:27:15 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:36:05 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.127] has joined #openttd 06:36:15 <planetmaker> moin moin 06:51:14 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.127] has quit [Excess Flood] 06:52:59 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-mlimmlgw1-ff1ec000-127.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 06:59:14 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.132] has joined #openttd 07:16:32 *** sparr [~kvirc@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:26:58 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 07:35:37 *** Hackykid [~quassel@wlan170193.nbw.tue.nl] has joined #openttd 07:47:23 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051095185.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 07:56:47 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has joined #openttd 07:59:37 *** knome [5391e3a2@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 08:00:20 <knome> hey. http://wiki.openttd.org/GNU/Linux#Compiling_and_running incorrectly says you need the TTD files 08:00:59 <Forked> so fix it :) 08:01:17 <knome> feel free to :P 08:02:38 <knome> anyway, do you happen to know when 1.0.0 is supposed to be released? 08:04:20 <knome> http://wiki.openttd.org/GNU/Linux#Required_data_files is the direct link to the section. i'll leave the updating for somebody else 08:07:27 *** APTX_ [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 08:09:39 *** JVassie_ [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:09:56 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:11:50 <planetmaker> knome, *someone* has already a HUGE list of tasks assigned to him. 08:11:58 <planetmaker> Unlikely that he'll find time anytime soon 08:24:33 <Ammler> someone is banned from openttd, if he/she should do it, nobody does... 08:43:50 *** DJNekkid [~thomas@static128-249.adsl.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:51:02 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-18-119.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 09:01:16 *** DJNekkid [~thomas@static128-249.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 09:06:09 *** Hackykid_ [~quassel@wlan073095.nbw.tue.nl] has joined #openttd 09:10:40 *** Hackykid [~quassel@wlan170193.nbw.tue.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:13:05 *** kannerke [~pvandenb@83.101.79.237] has joined #openttd 09:16:22 *** DJNekkid [~thomas@static128-249.adsl.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:22:11 *** Hackykid [~quassel@wlan073095.nbw.tue.nl] has joined #openttd 09:22:11 *** Hackykid_ [~quassel@wlan073095.nbw.tue.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:28:23 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:29:23 *** DJNekkid [~thomas@static128-249.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 09:32:02 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 09:35:51 *** lewymati [~lewymati@89.230.159.206] has joined #openttd 09:44:52 *** DJNekkid [~thomas@static128-249.adsl.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:49:32 *** snorre [~snorre@c692BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:56:15 *** TheMask96 [martijn@lust.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:58:02 *** Tennel [~Tennel@port-ip-213-211-212-60.reverse.mdcc-fun.de] has joined #openttd 10:01:11 *** DJNekkid [~thomas@static128-249.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 10:04:07 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sirius.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 10:08:59 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 10:10:00 *** lewymati2 [~lewymati@89.230.159.206] has joined #openttd 10:16:35 *** lewymati [~lewymati@89.230.159.206] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:19:47 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:20:00 *** lewymati2 is now known as lewymati 10:41:52 *** DJNekkid [~thomas@static128-249.adsl.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:43:47 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.132] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:43:51 *** devilsadvocate_ [~devilsadv@202.3.77.132] has joined #openttd 10:43:54 *** ddfreyne [~ddfreyne@stoneship.org] has joined #openttd 10:46:22 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.17.249.21] has joined #openttd 10:47:01 <ddfreyne> hmm⊠I cannot find the changes for 1.0.x. where should I look for them? 10:47:22 <PeterT> http://wiki.openttd.org/OpenTTD_1.0.0 10:47:26 <PeterT> and changelog.txt 10:47:38 <ddfreyne> ahh, thanksâŠÂ not sure why I didnât find that 10:49:49 <Rubidium> heh, that wiki page is still incomplete? 10:51:39 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:52:16 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 10:55:47 <ddfreyne> hmm⊠is cargodest on the roadmap for a certain release? 10:56:17 <planetmaker> nope. CargodEst is dead for a year 10:56:31 <ddfreyne> no activity on the branch either? 10:56:41 <planetmaker> otherwise it woulnd't be dead 10:56:58 <ddfreyne> hm, checked out the repository and seems like it. aw. 10:57:23 <planetmaker> developer vanished (again) 10:57:31 *** DJNekkid [~thomas@static128-249.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 10:57:34 <roboboy> try cargod?st 10:58:04 <ddfreyne> planetmaker: that sucks 10:58:42 <planetmaker> that's life, I guess 10:58:51 <ddfreyne> planetmaker: as far as I can tell (and youâll have to excuse me for not being really involved in the community and development) the branch was well on its way and it seemed playable 10:58:52 <planetmaker> you could try cargodIst 10:59:00 <planetmaker> but that's far from complete, too 10:59:01 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db0fff2.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:59:04 <roboboy> is cargodest or cargodist prefered for inclusion once one is finished 10:59:22 <planetmaker> roboboy, who knows? 11:00:04 <Rubidium> the only answer I could give to that question is "no" 11:00:31 <planetmaker> boost vs. desync :-P 11:00:44 <roboboy> so whichever is done first and best 11:00:48 <Rubidium> under the assumption that "one" means any "cargo has destination"-implementation 11:04:54 <ddfreyne> ahh, cargodist is indeed in active development I see 11:07:00 <Forked> DJNekkid: come and pick up your new DSL modem. Should sort out your connection issues. 11:09:17 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DB713.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:10:43 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:14:05 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:15:41 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051095185.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 11:15:57 *** Tennel [~Tennel@port-ip-213-211-212-60.reverse.mdcc-fun.de] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.1.1] 11:17:49 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 11:20:14 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm62.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 11:26:09 *** Hackykid [~quassel@wlan073095.nbw.tue.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:35:08 *** JVassie_ [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:35:30 *** JVassie_ [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:00:51 <OwenS> http://razmir.wz.cz/nand2.png <-- I am impressed! 12:01:39 <OwenS> nand1.png is a zoom on on one of the full adder elements 12:06:57 *** ptr [~peter@dhcp-161-195.dsv.su.se] has joined #openttd 12:10:22 <FauxFaux> Now just make the game engine fast enough and supportive of big enough maps that we can have a useful turing machine. ¬_¬ 12:12:40 <OwenS> FauxFaux: A bit of NAND-based memory takes up ~10x10 tiles. BIIIG maps :p 12:13:28 <OwenS> If I added memory to ProgSigs, then it would be interesting, however (Though building the thing would be insane) 12:13:44 <FauxFaux> Iirc she was cheating and generating the gates anyway. 12:14:09 <OwenS> Presumably copy & paste 12:14:11 <OwenS> ? 12:14:25 <FauxFaux> I thought it was save files, but maybe. 12:14:46 <OwenS> Because copy & paste is completely unaware of signal programs :D 12:16:04 <OwenS> Also: How do you decide which signal a lookup should look at? One adjusted for the paste's location? The original? What if you're now looking at a signalless tile? What if you're looking at a signal you can't legally inspect? 12:17:33 <__ln__> is that an adder? 12:17:42 <OwenS> Yes. An 8-bit full adder 12:18:20 <__ln__> nice 12:18:28 <Rubidium> OwenS: so in effect progsigs makes "copy&paste" completely infeasible 12:18:40 <OwenS> Rubidium: If you copy the signal program, it makes it very complex 12:18:54 <FauxFaux> Excel manages it. </not entirely j$o$k$e suggestion> 12:19:12 <FauxFaux> The next trick is to implement programmable signals in pure ottd nand gates. 12:19:14 <OwenS> It's possible, you would just have to deal with the corner cases (Though I'd be happy to do so) 12:19:23 <OwenS> **happy to help do so 12:20:26 <OwenS> I think I'd decide that references to signals inside the copy region are relative, to ones outside are absolute 12:20:40 *** montezuma [c3e5f236@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 12:20:53 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c454:4d4e:22df:37c5] has joined #openttd 12:20:56 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:22:08 <OwenS> Then it would be corner case checking, and working out the interface that c&p would use to do the actual pasting 12:22:41 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8cf1d.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:25:00 <OwenS> (It would need an interface which returns the instruction ID of the just-added (by DoCommandP) instruction, and also need to deal with corner cases, like Start/End/Else/Endif pseudo instructions) 12:27:31 *** lewymati [~lewymati@89.230.159.206] has quit [] 12:30:06 <OwenS> Rubidium: Its not much more than I'll deal with if/when I add the ability to save programs 12:33:32 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-150-105.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:34:52 *** ctibor [~quassel@77.48.228.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:36:50 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-147-043.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:38:57 *** ctibor [~quassel@77.48.228.43] has joined #openttd 12:40:41 *** grimnar [~andreas@pc109-243.ktv.no] has joined #openttd 12:42:00 *** montezuma [c3e5f236@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 12:46:02 *** grimnar [~andreas@pc109-243.ktv.no] has left #openttd [] 12:49:47 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c454:4d4e:22df:37c5] has joined #openttd 12:49:50 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx_] by ChanServ 12:50:23 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:50:27 *** devilsadvocate_ [~devilsadv@202.3.77.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:52:34 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 12:53:04 <andythenorth> silly graphics argument :( 12:55:33 *** glx is now known as Guest538 12:55:33 *** glx_ is now known as glx 12:56:19 *** Guest538 [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c454:4d4e:22df:37c5] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:59:03 *** devilsadvocate_ [~devilsadv@202.3.77.132] has joined #openttd 13:00:22 *** DJNekkid [~thomas@static128-249.adsl.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:01:40 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 13:02:31 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.40.112] has joined #openttd 13:07:45 <Belugas> hello 13:09:02 *** Eoin [eoin@cpc1-dund8-0-0-cust3.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:09:07 *** Eoin [eoin@cpc1-dund8-0-0-cust3.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 13:09:41 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C5D3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:10:50 <planetmaker> hello sir Belugas :-) 13:16:02 <Rubidium> yay... Belugas is back at the "right" time again :) 13:17:00 *** DJNekkid [~thomas@static128-249.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 13:18:17 <DJNekkid> Forked: at your home or at work? im off work theese 3 days :) 13:18:44 <DJNekkid> (if i saied it two times, sorry, but it looked like i were disconnected) 13:19:07 <planetmaker> you said it only once 13:19:36 <Belugas> hehe 13:19:58 <Belugas> looks like Europ caught up time :) 13:20:15 <Belugas> planetmaker, Rubidium, i salute you humbly and respectfully 13:25:16 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has joined #openttd 13:25:36 <Rubidium> DJNekkid: I must say, I like you writing "saied" :) "sayed" I can imagine because of 'just' appending '-ed', although "said" is the right way of writing. But "saied" looks like a mixup 13:30:05 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 13:33:43 *** SmatZ__ [~Miranda@88.146.75.216] has joined #openttd 13:45:12 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-154-57.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:47:28 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-185-122.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 13:47:36 *** DJNekkid [~thomas@static128-249.adsl.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:50:41 *** sparr [~kvirc@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 13:51:03 <Forked> dumdidum 13:52:12 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:55:24 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 14:00:22 *** DJNekkid [~thomas@static128-249.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 14:04:58 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@205.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 14:08:43 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:08:54 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 14:09:38 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@229.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 14:14:26 *** DannyUfonek [~DannyUfon@a40-prg1-17-56.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 14:15:11 *** DannyUfonek [~DannyUfon@a40-prg1-17-56.static.adsl.vol.cz] has left #openttd [] 14:30:04 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 14:42:23 <erani> http://razmir.wz.cz/nand2.png 14:45:12 <Eddi|zuHause> you realize that carry-ripple-adders aren't actually used anywhere except in float-multiplications... 14:46:27 <Eddi|zuHause> it's both slow and has signal strength issues 14:48:47 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has joined #openttd 14:57:26 <Rubidium> argh.... stupid DST... now I'm hungry at the wrong time 14:58:07 <Rubidium> hungry two hours before the "winter time" time that is :( 15:00:05 <planetmaker> I have a spare carrot here.... :-) 15:00:13 <planetmaker> and now I need another :-( 15:02:05 *** knome [5391e3a2@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 15:04:07 <aber> spare carrot??? 15:04:42 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: you moved the clock in the wrong direction? :) 15:06:20 <Rubidium> doubtful, because I didn't move the clock 15:12:34 <planetmaker> aber, yes, I have a bunch of carrots in my office. They feed me when I'm hungry but when it's not yet feeding time 15:14:21 <aber> planetmaker, one day, it was more like a week, noo like a month. I harvested 8 tons of carrots. Since then i'm a little strange about carrots... :) 15:15:09 <planetmaker> hehe 15:15:37 <Eddi|zuHause> you wished you had a spare carrot back then :p 15:15:40 <planetmaker> they make healthier "snack" than chocolate or alike 15:16:07 <Eddi|zuHause> snacks shouldn't be healthy... they should be "brain food" 15:16:21 <planetmaker> :-) 15:16:22 <Eddi|zuHause> ... i.e. energy that the stomach doesn't have to process 15:16:36 <Eddi|zuHause> so it gets to the brain faster 15:18:47 <Rubidium> I don't need stuff that makes my brain go faster... then I'll have even more trouble keeping up with my thoughts when writing them down 15:25:20 <Belugas> yup... same as Rubidium in here. Brian goes fast enough as it is. no need more coffee than the 4 I took since this morning 15:26:20 *** DJNekkid [~thomas@static128-249.adsl.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:26:34 <aber> 4 l, thats pretty much i'd say 15:26:55 <Rubidium> aber: Belugas isn't an American that slurps ventis 15:26:57 <lennard> 4 I != 4L 15:28:28 <Belugas> lol 15:28:30 <Belugas> indeed not... 15:28:34 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:28:45 <Belugas> the I stands for ME... 15:28:57 <Rubidium> oh, sorry a trenta is more like a liter than a venti 15:29:11 <Rubidium> can't remember trenta's being sold in Japan though 15:30:32 <aber> Il maybe i should change the font to something... different Il 15:33:08 <aber> maybe i should complain to the european union... 15:34:02 <Rubidium> for the broken font on your computer? 15:35:32 <aber> it shouldn't be allowed to produce fonts with such a little difference between two letters... That is very dangerous... 15:38:07 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, we totally need a regulation on font shapes :p 15:40:29 <planetmaker> 72dot size. Everywhere. 15:43:16 <Belugas> the world would be a better place if everything was standardized. one money, one langage, one measure system, one god or many, for what it's worth... 15:44:06 *** DJNekkid [~thomas@static128-249.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 15:46:35 * Rubidium would vote for no gods 15:46:39 <Eddi|zuHause> one time zone! :p 15:46:57 * Belugas votes for both suggestions! 15:47:04 <aber> i would say first attack britain... 15:47:05 <Rubidium> asking (and getting!) forgiveness from god for killing someone is just plain stupid 15:47:39 * fjb supports Rubidium. 15:47:40 <glx> killing in name of god is worse 15:47:52 <Eddi|zuHause> that's only a symptom, not the cause 15:48:06 <Belugas> killing or fighting in name of anyone/anything is bad as hell 15:48:08 <Eddi|zuHause> if there were no religions, people'd find other reasons to kill... 15:48:38 <glx> like petrol ? 15:48:41 <aber> haha, i believe thats not the only reason... 15:48:56 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f5ff2.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:49:10 <Rubidium> don't forgets the WMD (ways of mass deception) 15:49:35 <aber> ... the biggest chance to get killed is from your own wife or husband... 15:50:04 <Rubidium> aber: lies... it's your parents 15:50:33 <aber> better get the cap back on the toothpaste... 15:51:35 <Rubidium> oh, if you need to think about that then it's already way too late to reduce the chance of getting killed 16:07:51 *** sparr [~kvirc@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:08:52 *** sparr [~kvirc@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 16:12:48 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@85.65.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 16:30:24 *** DJ_Nekkid [~thomas@static128-249.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 16:35:50 *** DJNekkid [~thomas@static128-249.adsl.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:38:05 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-248-126.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:42:18 *** devilsadvocate_ [~devilsadv@202.3.77.132] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:43:01 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 16:44:59 *** ptr [~peter@dhcp-161-195.dsv.su.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:48:26 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 16:48:44 *** fjb [~frank@p5485EAAC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:49:51 <SpComb> gathers: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=867566#p867566 16:49:56 <SpComb> gathers: some autosep questions 16:52:38 <gathers> SpComb, thanks, I'll have a look at it later 16:57:40 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:05:16 *** devilsadvocate_ [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has joined #openttd 17:06:06 <SpComb> btw, is the one-way road crash something that might be fixed in trunk post-r19387? 17:06:40 <Rubidium> might, but I don't remember such a crash being reported 17:13:12 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has joined #openttd 17:16:29 *** thomas__ [~thomas@static128-249.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 17:17:18 *** sparr [~kvirc@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:17:41 *** thomas__ is now known as DJNekkid 17:18:20 *** DJ_Nekkid [~thomas@static128-249.adsl.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:23:57 <andythenorth> anything interesting happened? 17:24:37 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.40.112] has quit [] 17:27:57 <Rubidium> depends what's interesting and what timescale your speaking about 17:29:44 *** sparr [~kvirc@adsl-232-70-82.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #openttd 17:31:20 <Jolteon> In the time you went, Rubidium declared war on orudge, orudge nuked Rubidium, a treaty was signed, we all witnessed it, andythenorth. 17:31:49 <andythenorth> Rubidium: timescale: galactic? 17:35:03 <Rubidium> in that case... there was a huge rock that was impacted by a big rock, that made a mess resulting in two rocks spinning around eachother. Then more (much) smaller rocks hit the rocks. 17:45:38 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: translators * r19525 /trunk/src/lang/ (czech.txt greek.txt ukrainian.txt): 17:45:38 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:38 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: czech - 5 changes by Harlequin 17:45:38 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: greek - 1 changes by fumantsu 17:45:38 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: ukrainian - 4 changes by onufryk 17:45:52 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc13f0.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:48:17 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:54:34 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 17:54:40 *** JVassie_ [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:02:30 <andythenorth> I find it bizarre that people are so protective over graphics. 18:02:43 <andythenorth> but then no-one has horribly ripped off any of mine yet :o 18:03:29 * andythenorth GPL la la la la la la la 18:03:38 <frosch123> maybe they are too ugly :p 18:03:53 <andythenorth> he 18:04:26 <frosch123> but yes, i also wondered why so many keep them that restrictive 18:05:10 <andythenorth> I make mine GPL because I want to be *sure* that other people can use them in a proper way. 18:05:17 <Rubidium> frosch123: because they "steal" from Simon 18:05:28 <blathijs> Perhaps the difference between artists and coders is that coders are used to using other people's code, whereas artists are used to creating their own artwork 18:05:53 <blathijs> e.g., artists aren't used to being on the receiving side 18:05:54 <andythenorth> I want to wade into that argument, especially against mb 18:06:28 <andythenorth> blathijs: exactly. the code is given freely, for the good of the game. I find it offensive that mb can say a "coder" can't see how an artist is 'special' 18:06:31 <planetmaker> missing a 'not'? ;-) 18:07:04 <andythenorth> so tempted.....I don't want to knock Irwe's thread massively OT though :o 18:07:15 <andythenorth> meh internet dramas 18:07:22 <George> hi 18:07:28 <andythenorth> hi George :) 18:07:32 <George> What's the sprites limit in OTTD? 18:07:37 *** SmatZ__ [~Miranda@88.146.75.216] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:07:42 <frosch123> for what sprites? 18:07:50 <George> Trains and wagons 18:08:00 * Rubidium makes a safe bet: you computer's memory 18:08:01 <frosch123> i guess your memory limit 18:08:15 <planetmaker> :-) 18:08:25 <George> 1gb? 18:08:31 <George> ;) 18:08:55 <Rubidium> @calc 1024*1048576/2**24 18:08:55 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 64 18:09:19 <George> 64 trains? 18:09:39 <Rubidium> so the sprites may be at most 64 bytes (including metadata) to hit the limit (if it's 16 million) 18:09:47 <Jupix> andythenorth: I've got two answers to your question, the first is you should read over some of Sergej_S:s threads (again?), and the second is that in the 32bpp field at least, it's not the artists running for absolute clarity in matters of licensing, it's the administrators, who want to make sure stuff that ends up in a baseset conversion doesn't have a questionable legal background 18:10:06 *** DJ_Nekkid [~thomas@static128-249.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 18:10:28 *** DJNekkid [~thomas@static128-249.adsl.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:11:17 <George> so, 16 mln trains? 18:12:02 *** sparr [~kvirc@adsl-232-70-82.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:12:24 <frosch123> well, more than you can build in one game 18:12:30 <planetmaker> George, you can 'only' define 64k vehicle ids. 18:12:33 <andythenorth> Jupix: I've never read a thread by Sergej_S....what am I missing? 18:12:51 <frosch123> planetmaker: but everyone of them can look different every day :p 18:13:05 <planetmaker> :-D 18:13:15 <planetmaker> the polymorphic train fleet 18:13:41 <Rubidium> George: no, 16-ish million sprites 18:13:55 <frosch123> andythenorth: some weird old guy, putting random 32bpp graphics into ottd screenshots 18:14:11 <andythenorth> I don't go in the 3sbpp forum :P 18:14:24 <Jupix> andythenorth: when artists posted (preliminary) preview renders of their work, he took them without permission to create large "megapacks" of his own ... and did a bloody poor job of it, too, most artists were royally pissed and he was banned as a result 18:14:41 <Jupix> also, he didn't speak english 18:14:45 <Rubidium> but given normal sprite sizes you can't hit that limit before running out of memory on < 4GB machines 18:14:45 <blathijs> Do I need the newest grfcodec to build opengfx, or can I use r2294 as well? 18:15:00 <planetmaker> blathijs, I think it should be fine 18:15:10 <blathijs> planetmaker: k, thanks 18:15:12 <Rubidium> blathijs: 2294 should work, just check the md5 checksums (though the make check thingy is currently a bit broken) 18:15:30 <andythenorth> Jupix: so do people use the mega packs? 18:15:33 <Rubidium> blathijs: in other words, new OpenGFX/OpenSFX versions are due 'soon' 18:16:50 <Jupix> andythenorth: yes, I would imagine anyone who wants 32bpp to "just work" uses them, dl'ing and installing individual tars is... so 2007. 18:17:25 <andythenorth> Jupix: where are they distributed? 18:17:34 <Jupix> in the 32bpp forums. :D 18:17:39 <blathijs> Rubidium: Uh? I don't see how those remarks relate. Also, I thought that yesterday's OpenGFX release would be the last one before 1.0 at least? 18:18:48 <George> Rubidium: Thank you 18:19:46 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-f5f9e253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 18:20:07 <Rubidium> blathijs: yeah, but I really hope (for the sake of getting the downstream packaging right) that there'll be a new OpenGFX; there will be a new OpenSFX 18:20:20 <andythenorth> Jupix: so the forums are used to distribute material which infringes copyright? easily solved I would think 18:20:41 <Rubidium> andythenorth: yeah, take down zernebok! 18:21:12 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 18:21:28 <blathijs> Rubidium: What is there to get right? 18:21:40 <Rubidium> blathijs: the workings of "make check" 18:21:46 <blathijs> Ah 18:21:48 <blathijs> right 18:21:50 <Jupix> andythenorth: oh, in sergey's case they were presented on nearly unusable websites, hosted on some nameless russian servers that were dead slow 18:21:57 *** sparr [~kvirc@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:22:20 <andythenorth> Jupix: hmmm....I don't have a good answer to that particular case :o 18:22:22 <blathijs> Rubidium: What's the idea behind that? When building the source tarball, the md5's of the official builds are included? 18:22:59 <Jupix> andythenorth: yeah... he didn't have either, apart from "if you have better hosting space to donate, go right ahead" 18:23:17 <Jupix> in broken babelfish english, of course :D 18:23:25 <Rubidium> blathijs: yes; the content server stuff depends on the md5 checksums, so if they mismatch you might get into a situation where it'll continuously think that you don't have the newest OpenGFX/OpenSFX yet 18:24:19 <Rubidium> blathijs: and then it'll download it again, just to find out it has two sets with the same version and then it 'ignores' one with a big chance that the 'wrong' one is ignored (the wrong one is the one that isn't on the content server) 18:24:52 * andythenorth considers starting yet-another-use-the-GPL-forum-bunfight, just for entertainment :P 18:25:59 <Rubidium> andythenorth: just search for sets that include your GPL-ed graphics (or derivates of your graphics). Then you can simply claim that the set is also GPL :) 18:26:12 <andythenorth> :) 18:26:19 <planetmaker> hihi :-) 18:26:44 <aber> GPL is a strange thing... 18:26:52 <Rubidium> and for those who haven't realised it yet... if you use OpenGFX sprites to base your work on :) 18:26:58 <frosch123> hmm, maybe if you use the affero gpl you might claim getting the source of the server in case it runs them 18:27:30 *** lewymati [~lewymati@89.230.159.206] has joined #openttd 18:27:34 <andythenorth> GPL is a beautiful thing :) 18:28:09 <andythenorth> When I start making graphics I decided not to worry about people pillaging them 18:28:20 <andythenorth> it's going to happen 18:28:42 <planetmaker> probably. 18:28:54 <blathijs> Bah, building Debian packages is not working right now, it seems my build root points to ries.debian.org, which is broken atm 18:29:04 <blathijs> Let's just do other stuff, then :-) 18:29:04 * andythenorth can't stand whining 'artists' 18:29:15 *** Goulp [~Goulp@main.goulp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:29:19 <andythenorth> unless they are whining about industry placement issues 18:29:26 <Rubidium> blathijs: just let it point to some other server :) 18:29:33 <Rubidium> should be relatively easy 18:29:49 <blathijs> Rubidium: Its only a few commands, but I can't be bothered right now.. :-) 18:29:59 <planetmaker> meh 18:30:14 <andythenorth> planetmaker: if I prep a FIRS 0.1.1 bug fix, do you have a one-shot way to do the release yet? 18:30:23 <blathijs> I'll try again when it is back up (also, waiting a few days with grfcodec makes sure that the current version propagates to testing) 18:30:49 <planetmaker> andythenorth, "one-shot-way" is something I wouldn't use on a release ;-) 18:31:11 <andythenorth> two shot? 18:31:19 <planetmaker> but in principle: hg tag 0.1.1 18:31:21 <planetmaker> hg up 0.1.1 18:31:24 <planetmaker> make bundle_zip 18:31:28 <planetmaker> and upload that to bananas 18:31:31 <planetmaker> hg up 18:31:36 <planetmaker> afterwards your repo 18:31:43 <planetmaker> devzone will need the files, though 18:31:48 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:32:32 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:35:20 *** Tennel [~Tennel@port-ip-213-211-212-60.reverse.mdcc-fun.de] has joined #openttd 18:39:33 *** Ryand-Smith [~W@209.212.25.30] has joined #openttd 18:40:13 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@cpc3-pool12-2-0-cust451.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:42:35 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-150-105.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:47:55 *** snorre [~snorre@c692BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 18:48:30 <Ryand-Smith> put it this way 18:48:41 <Ryand-Smith> Breakdowns are semi realistic for new units 18:48:56 <Ryand-Smith> as that I feel is the period when you are breaking in the unit, you will find odd problems 18:49:10 <Ryand-Smith> But after the first few years or so they should stop 18:49:46 <OwenS> Or reliability goes up exponentially 18:50:00 <OwenS> And after a while maintanance just becomes more expensive? 18:50:36 <Ryand-Smith> Yes 18:50:53 <Ryand-Smith> that represents how you can't find parts for old things, and they just wear down 18:51:10 <Ryand-Smith> hell, they replaced the GG1s due to parts (yay using PCBs for air filters) 18:51:52 <Ryand-Smith> However, some companies use busses for 30 years instead of the 20 or so they were meant to last, and they do break down more often then younger units 18:52:11 <OwenS> By PCBs I presume you mean Polychlorinated Bithingies, not Printec Circuit Boards :p 18:52:20 <Ryand-Smith> That's the one 18:52:31 <Ryand-Smith> I don't even think the GG1 had that kind of electronics 18:52:44 <OwenS> 'round here companies run some busses around ~30 years old... 18:53:08 <OwenS> You can tell as they have XYZ 000 old style registrations... 18:53:13 <Ryand-Smith> I'm in NJ, we ideally would replace the 30 year old flexible busses, BUT there isn't money and the new electric ones ... 18:53:19 <Ryand-Smith> they don't work in rain very well 18:54:10 <Ryand-Smith> the sad thing is the company who made the busses went under so they have to get people to make parts just for them 18:54:48 <aber> in old europe we use still gas in busses... 18:55:20 <Ryand-Smith> We have fancy LNG busses 18:55:23 <Ryand-Smith> and flywheels 18:55:37 <Ryand-Smith> but mostly diesel fuel, with some diesel electric prototypes 18:56:04 <aber> gas is cleaner and way more fun if it explodes... 18:56:16 <Ryand-Smith> LNG or gasoline? 18:57:09 *** zodttd [~me@user-0c90n1c.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #openttd 18:57:41 <aber> ahh, had to wiki that. LNG :) 18:58:10 <Ryand-Smith> LNG is nice to make clean yes 19:11:03 <andythenorth> FIRS 0.1.1 is released 19:11:17 <andythenorth> so I've shipped something, now can I go and argue with the artists? 19:11:21 <andythenorth> :P 19:13:48 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-180-136-106-77.eidsiva.net] has joined #openttd 19:33:51 <DJ_Nekkid> yey, KillBill vol.1 on TV :D 19:37:09 <Jolteon> ORLY? 19:37:22 <Rubidium> NOTV! 19:40:03 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-181-111.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:43:36 <sparr> with only low-speed trains, trucks will almost always win a rating war, no? 19:44:03 <frosch123> then use ships 19:44:08 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-196-137-202.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 19:45:55 <sparr> ships aren't very useful in most situations 19:46:36 <andythenorth> ships are rubbish 19:46:40 <andythenorth> they can't go on train tracks 19:46:47 <andythenorth> they can't go on roads 19:46:49 <andythenorth> they can't fly 19:46:56 <andythenorth> *stupid* ships :P 19:47:08 <andythenorth> lets cut them out of the game. we could fit more trains in that way 19:47:26 <Singaporekid> we could fit the trains on the ships 19:47:29 <andythenorth> someone told me recently OTTD is a train game anyway 19:47:41 <andythenorth> new track type: 'ships' 19:48:00 <sparr> you know that's not what i meant 19:48:07 <Singaporekid> I would play with that grf 19:48:15 <Rubidium> 10:24 < Ammler> someone is banned from openttd 19:48:20 <andythenorth> 5mph, it's a bridge that only draws sprites under the train, sprites are 'train ferry' 19:50:18 <Rubidium> ships have an insane parallel loading capability 19:50:51 <andythenorth> sparr: I know that's not what you meant ;) 19:51:01 <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/misc/mine.png <- they're pretty useful 19:54:17 <andythenorth> he, my games are almost orthogonal to the one in that screenshot 19:55:27 <sparr> Rubidium: they are useful if you are near water, which is not usually 19:56:32 *** ajmiles2 [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:57:43 <Rubidium> andythenorth: my goal was to move a million pieces of cargo per year 19:58:13 <andythenorth> did you achieve it? 19:58:34 <DJ_Nekkid> and on a 256^2 map? 19:58:42 <Rubidium> andythenorth: yes 19:58:47 <Rubidium> DJ_Nekkid: no, 128x128 19:58:51 <DJ_Nekkid> damn! 20:00:17 <sparr> do pax count? 20:00:58 <andythenorth> my current game: quite near water quite often :) 20:00:59 <andythenorth> http://tt-foundry.com/misc/current_game.png 20:01:09 <Rubidium> for comparison, 1 million pieces of cargo moved per year is somewhat commun in the more recent openttdcoop games, which use a 512x1024-ish map for that 20:01:24 <Rubidium> s/commun/common/ 20:02:08 <theholyduck> andythenorth, atleast you dont have creeping-networkitis 20:02:26 <theholyduck> i cant build a network anymore without planning atleast 3 lines in each direction 20:02:49 <theholyduck> and starting designing more and more shit before anything even works 20:03:13 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:03:48 <andythenorth> theholyduck: ship early, ship often 20:03:59 <andythenorth> do something, get the benefit, do some more stuff :) 20:04:05 <andythenorth> ideally using ships :P 20:04:07 <theholyduck> andythenorth, well the last time i tried that, 20:04:31 <theholyduck> i ended up with this 60x60 tile area, that was my merging point for everything 20:04:42 <theholyduck> and every time i tried to do a change, i had to spend 30 minutes fixing it 20:05:13 <theholyduck> rapidly expanding a existing network can lead to pain and suffering 20:05:36 <andythenorth> so can rapidly expanding a real business :P 20:06:10 <theholyduck> andythenorth, well, problem with ships is, they're not very cost efficent 20:06:20 <theholyduck> you can actually design a ship based system that looses you money 20:06:25 <Rubidium> just don't hurry that much; it'll probably reduce the pain and suffering of RSI and such 20:06:37 <theholyduck> wich i found out the hardway 20:06:43 <andythenorth> theholyduck: well that's just bad game tactics :) 20:06:50 <theholyduck> andythenorth, no, just ships being slow 20:07:19 <theholyduck> andythenorth, basicly, my original design called for ships getting oil from all over and bringing it to a central drop site 20:07:27 <andythenorth> my current game: trams, narrow gauge, standard gauge, ships, and some trucks somewhere 20:07:28 <andythenorth> http://tt-foundry.com/misc/Drundingstone_1.png 20:07:39 <theholyduck> but this plan actually lost money due the ships and then trains costing more to run than i earned from the oil 20:07:44 <PeterT> andythenorth: w00t 20:07:47 <PeterT> andythenorth: nice drawings 20:08:04 <theholyduck> so i had to decentralize the whole thing 20:08:18 <theholyduck> with multiple drop-points 20:08:25 <theholyduck> so that the slowness of the boats didnt kill my profit margins 20:08:48 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db0fff2.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:09:13 <theholyduck> after that i became naturally distrustful of boats 20:10:35 <andythenorth> Ships + trucks + trams + planes. 20:10:35 <andythenorth> http://tt-foundry.com/misc/Drundingstone_2.png 20:11:00 <andythenorth> the planes fly in engineering supplies, trucks on a feeder system take them to the sand pit 20:11:05 <andythenorth> trams haul the sand to the dock 20:11:11 <theholyduck> i dont like planes, ship and trucks for 1 more reason 20:11:21 <theholyduck> its like playing connect the dots 20:11:51 <andythenorth> ?? 20:11:58 <theholyduck> with planes its just, build more airports, build more planes, set up routes, and go 20:12:22 <theholyduck> theres no "creativity" invovled 20:13:00 <theholyduck> with a trains you can build complex network with signaling, schedules, priorities and what not 20:14:06 <andythenorth> theholyduck: try using multiple transport types with transfer orders 20:14:28 <andythenorth> getting your supply chain working is a whole other challenge then 20:14:31 *** PeterT^ [~Peter@c-76-19-169-10.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:14:58 <theholyduck> yeah, 20:15:05 <theholyduck> but people who play planes only 20:15:06 <theholyduck> confuse me 20:15:15 <theholyduck> same with point to point train network people 20:15:15 <andythenorth> me too, but I guess they enjoy it 20:15:17 *** PeterT^ is now known as PeterT_ 20:16:06 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm62.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:17:43 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 20:17:54 *** Goulp [~Goulp@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 20:18:15 *** heffer [~felix@ip-88-152-182-156.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #openttd 20:18:21 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-18-119.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:18:25 <Terkhen> andythenorth: the Ishizuchi is missing a wagon when refitted to 4 wagons (HEQS r307): http://devs.openttd.org/~terkhen/screenshots/heqs_industrial_trams.png 20:19:06 <andythenorth> Terkhen: did you build HEQS yourself? :) 20:19:16 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-18-119.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 20:19:27 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-5-149.A212.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 20:20:30 <Terkhen> no, I downloaded a nightly just after you announced FIRS 0.1.1 20:20:36 <andythenorth> ah ok 20:20:46 <andythenorth> well I'll commit a fix now 20:21:07 <Terkhen> okay :) 20:21:53 *** PeterT_ [~Peter@c-76-19-169-10.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:22:20 <andythenorth> Terkhen: the fix won't show up in the nightly yet. You could check out and build, or I can pm you the grf 20:22:20 *** PeterT_ [~Peter@c-76-19-169-10.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:23:54 <Ammler> andythenorth: or release HEQS :-) 20:24:13 <Ammler> or are there more trams to come? 20:24:29 <andythenorth> nah, I'm waiting on some more sprites for the tram wagons 20:24:40 <andythenorth> hopefully Dan MacK is sending me some :) 20:27:00 <Terkhen> I'll try to compile it :P 20:27:13 <andythenorth> do you need instructions? 20:30:23 <Terkhen> I remember seeing a howto somewhere 20:31:21 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f5ff2.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:33:42 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C5D3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:35:49 <Terkhen> no, I can't find it 20:36:55 <andythenorth> Terkhen: checkout.... hg clone http://mz.openttdcoop.org/hg/firs 20:37:11 <andythenorth> then 'make' 20:38:37 <Terkhen> it is already being cloned, but I thought it would need grfcodec 20:39:36 <andythenorth> ah yes, I already have all that stuff :o 20:39:39 <Ammler> Terkhen: you cygwin or mingw/msys 20:39:43 <andythenorth> I can pm you the grf 20:40:05 <Ammler> hmm, mingw/msys might not work anymore... 20:40:32 <Ammler> need* 20:41:36 <Terkhen> I'm using debian 20:42:09 <Terkhen> andythenorth: don't worry, I was thinking about setting this up already 20:42:16 <Rubidium> Terkhen: sid, testing or unstable? 20:42:21 <Rubidium> s/un// 20:42:43 <Rubidium> because in sid nforenum and grfcodec can be apt-get installed 20:44:41 *** Tennel [~Tennel@port-ip-213-211-212-60.reverse.mdcc-fun.de] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.1.1] 20:44:47 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 20:45:14 <andythenorth> meh. no diagonal roads :( 20:45:28 <Terkhen> stable with 2.6.32 from backports, I was using testing until a few days ago when it died 20:45:48 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 20:46:41 <Terkhen> that will be very handy :) 20:46:49 <Rubidium> it died? 20:47:31 *** PeterT_ is now known as PeterT^^ 20:47:34 *** PeterT^^ is now known as PeterT_ 20:47:45 <andythenorth> meh, can't bridge over stations 20:48:34 <Terkhen> just after GRUB it complained about different UUIDs, I don't remember the exact error message 20:48:40 *** PeterT_ is now known as PeterT^ 20:48:45 *** PeterT^ is now known as PeterT_ 20:49:00 * andythenorth tunnels under a station, against all good sense 20:49:10 <Rubidium> Terkhen: I know the ftp-master kinda died, but it doesn't look like any important packages are broken (mostly armel stuff) 20:49:40 <Rubidium> Terkhen: oh, grub not doing its thing is nasty 20:50:38 *** PeterT_ [~Peter@c-76-19-169-10.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #openttd [] 20:51:52 <Terkhen> I followed a few tutorials without success before installing again, simpler when I can back up everything easily 20:52:47 <Terkhen> probably an habit picked up from trying to fix windows too many times 20:53:19 <andythenorth> this is now starting to get...complicated :P 20:53:20 <andythenorth> http://tt-foundry.com/misc/Drundingstone_3.png 20:58:29 <planetmaker> nice tunnels, andythenorth - what are they? 20:58:46 <andythenorth> probably NA Road Set I gues 20:58:47 <andythenorth> s 20:58:50 <Rubidium> stolen ofcourse! 20:58:54 <planetmaker> :-D 20:58:55 <Rubidium> :) 20:58:59 <Terkhen> andythenorth: success :) 20:59:08 <andythenorth> Terkhen: good 20:59:55 <OwenS> Such tunnels would be more awesome if we could build on them :-( 21:02:46 <andythenorth> Terkhen: how is cargo/industry-alphabetising going? 21:05:19 <Terkhen> the fund industry window is already sorted too 21:05:36 <Terkhen> cargo sorting is stopped until I recover from DST 21:09:01 <andythenorth> :) 21:09:20 <Rubidium> yay for DST saving power... 21:09:36 <Rubidium> already lost a full working day... 21:10:52 <__ln__> any unitedstatesians present? 21:11:07 <PeterT> Yes 21:11:26 <Terkhen> yeah, I doubt that whatever is saved in power makes up for making everybody feel horrible for days 21:11:51 * Terkhen suspects that tomorrow he will crawl to the kitchen for coffee again 21:12:03 <__ln__> ok; question: if you mention "Penn & Teller" to a random unitedstatesian, what's the probability that he/she won't know whom you are talking about? 21:12:19 <PeterT> who is Penn & Teller? 21:12:23 <__ln__> right 21:12:24 <PeterT> :-P 21:12:38 <OwenS> I was gonna say "I can't decide if PeterT is bullshitting or not" 21:12:39 <PeterT> magicians? 21:12:43 *** Gforce-laptop [~Gforce@84-104-210-56.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #openttd 21:12:53 <__ln__> magicians 21:12:55 <PeterT> OwenS: No, he isn't 21:13:00 <PeterT> lol 21:13:07 <PeterT> looks interesting 21:13:26 <PeterT> why would a magician need a MySpace? 21:13:36 <OwenS> They have Twitters too.. 21:15:09 *** Luukland [~Luukland@ip195-211-208-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 21:15:25 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-248-126.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Something strange must have happened...] 21:16:44 *** Gforce-laptop [~Gforce@84-104-210-56.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Quit: Relax, its only ONES and ZEROS!] 21:18:38 <Belugas> bye all 21:18:42 * andythenorth uses trams for everything 21:18:47 <Rubidium> night Belugas 21:18:55 <PeterT> good night, Belugas 21:18:59 <Belugas> night too Rubidium :) 21:19:06 <Belugas> and u2 PeterT 21:19:09 * Belugas is off 21:19:13 <PeterT> :-) 21:20:24 *** PeterT [~PeterT@rdlbnc.com] has quit [Killed (NickServ (This nickname is registered and protected))] 21:21:00 *** PeterT [~PeterT@rdlbnc.com] has joined #openttd 21:21:03 *** Ryand-Smith [~W@209.212.25.30] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:21:32 * andythenorth needs some smaller boats 21:21:57 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-199-244.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:22:45 <planetmaker> OpenGFX also needs some smaller boats 21:28:17 <Terkhen> the utility vessel is not small enough? 21:28:26 <andythenorth> not for delivering engineering supplies 21:28:41 <andythenorth> I have smaller boats planned but not drawn 21:28:47 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-mlimmlgw1-ff1ec000-127.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 21:29:46 <andythenorth> hmm 21:30:00 <andythenorth> I didn't finish the random production change code for primary industries in FIRS 21:30:08 *** lewymati [~lewymati@89.230.159.206] has quit [] 21:30:19 <andythenorth> turns out that constant stable primary industry production is kind of fun :o 21:40:26 <planetmaker> andythenorth: make it a feature :-) 21:40:34 <planetmaker> might be nice for scenarios 21:41:55 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-5-149.A212.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:45:14 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-5-149.A212.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 22:00:49 *** heffer [~felix@ip-88-152-182-156.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 22:01:02 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 22:01:12 *** Luukland [~Luukland@ip195-211-208-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has left #openttd [] 22:03:20 *** tdev [~tdev@p508EA3E6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:06:05 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:08:55 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:09:24 <Terkhen> good night 22:09:26 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@229.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 22:11:18 *** OwenS`Phone [~mirggi@82.132.248.188] has joined #openttd 22:12:55 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DB713.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... Der, der blÀht, als hinterster geht!] 22:16:27 <OwenS`Phone> Is it not my year? Ata errors... 22:21:14 *** fjb [~frank@p5485D80B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:22:35 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: i've uploaded an attempt at fixing... 22:24:02 <Ammler> stuck trains patch? 22:24:08 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@188.126.205.150] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:24:48 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, that one 22:25:44 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-5-149.A212.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [] 22:28:47 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@188.126.205.150] has joined #openttd 22:30:07 * PeterT is away: Away 22:30:33 <PeterT> Sorry people 22:30:52 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, you should be. 22:32:57 <OwenS`Phone> Fuck me. OTHER HDD HAS DIED. Seriously! 22:33:28 <OwenS`Phone> This kind of thing... Does not happen... 22:34:10 <OwenS`Phone> So: tomorrow order an Hdd overnight. Then investigate Hitachi hddwarranties 22:34:11 <__ln__> Oh it does. That's why important data is backed up. 22:34:21 <OwenS`Phone> It is :) 22:34:42 <OwenS`Phone> Just the redundant disks died 1 mo apart 22:35:58 <__ln__> I've been thinking about a 3ware raid card for home use, but it's expensiveish. 22:36:30 <__ln__> And yes, it isn't a substitute for backups. 22:36:33 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:37:38 <OwenS`Phone> Linux softraid. Faster, cheaper, wont kill your data when it dies 22:38:29 <OwenS`Phone> The amount of times ive heard of raid cards killing data has permanently dissuade me from them 22:38:44 <Eddi|zuHause> have a redundant raid card :) 22:38:49 <__ln__> It's a mess when your boot partition gets broken in a software raid. 22:39:08 <OwenS`Phone> Also, hard raid uses pfopetietry disk formats 22:39:36 <__ln__> Besides, Linux softraid doesn't work on Windows 7, to which I switched to two days ago. 22:39:40 <OwenS`Phone> I have cron rsync boot between the devices 22:40:24 <OwenS`Phone> My ideal would be Solaris + zfx + raid z 22:40:30 <__ln__> OwenS`Phone: So you rsync corrupted data from failing disk to another? 22:41:20 <OwenS`Phone> Actually, /boot a folder in the raid copied on to the actual partitoons 22:42:50 <OwenS`Phone> Zfs is better. No faffimng, just one volume 22:44:25 <__ln__> Have you tried recovering from a boot partition (and disk) failure? The BIOS boots from a physical disk, so mirroring doesn't help at that point. 22:45:49 <OwenS`Phone> With zfs both drives get propeely configured for grub to boot from 22:49:05 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@188.126.205.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:53:26 <__ln__> Still, at minimum, you'll need some manual work to make your system boot from a non-default disk. 22:58:51 *** OwenS`Phone [~mirggi@82.132.248.188] has quit [] 22:59:02 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: shouldn't you put /boot on a different disk then, so you have at least a minimal system when everything goes wrong? 22:59:45 <Eddi|zuHause> the kernel doesn't change that often, you can back that up in other ways 23:02:59 <__ln__> Maybe... 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