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00:05:33 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.3.9.59] has quit [Quit: ãããã¿] 00:07:08 <chaos95> wait, it's here? it's out? :D 00:07:52 <Eddi|zuHause> no, it's an april's fools joke 00:16:07 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe23dc00-198.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 00:17:35 <aber> that reminds me of deleting the openttd binaries i published... 00:19:48 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:27:44 <PeterT> chaos95: yes 00:41:35 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:42:03 <aber> about 100 downloads, not to bad... one thanks and one crash... 00:50:31 *** SmatZ__ [~Miranda@a40-prg1-22-216.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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It just means I'll have to watch out for greifers a bit more :P 06:52:55 <planetmaker> and there haven't really been mods since to ap+ 06:53:29 <planetmaker> ah... in that respect "not working" is an insufficient error description :-P 06:54:15 <Lapsus> It connects to IRC, but doesn't autojoin, relay messages, or respond to anything other than a channel invitation. 06:54:19 * Lapsus shrugs 06:54:32 <Lapsus> Not a huge concern at the moment anyways 06:55:03 <planetmaker> got the channel? 06:55:49 <Lapsus> I was having it attempt to connect to #fpttd on the gamesurge network. 06:56:07 <Lapsus> I've turned off the irc module, but I can get it back up if you want to poke at it 07:00:16 <planetmaker> uh... other network. means I need to figure out how to connect... :-P 07:00:30 <Lapsus> I can always point it at this one 07:01:03 <Lapsus> I don't know the policies on bots here, but I'm sure they won't g-line me for a test 07:01:12 <planetmaker> they won't. 07:01:17 <planetmaker> but not this channel ;-) 07:01:26 <Lapsus> of course, that'd be bad :x 07:01:46 <planetmaker> our servers run on this network, too, soo... 07:03:51 <Lapsus> hm 07:03:59 <Lapsus> It works on oftc. 07:04:14 <Lapsus> Guess I need to ask around on gamesurge then :P 07:04:48 <Lapsus> Then again, joining IRC for a game might be beyond facepunch's abilities 07:06:52 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@92.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 07:07:05 <Terkhen> good morning 07:07:15 <planetmaker> moin Terkhen 07:08:04 <planetmaker> :-D @ Lapsus :-) 07:08:12 <Lapsus> :3 07:08:31 <Lapsus> also woo, 5th 1.0.0 server :p 07:12:50 *** OwenS [~owenshep@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 07:13:38 *** jpx_ [jpx_@e83-245-131-49.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 07:14:08 *** kannerke [~pvandenb@83.101.79.171] has joined #openttd 07:14:42 <planetmaker> :-D 07:15:18 <planetmaker> My guess is that either Rubidiums irony detector has been broken or that he fell for Expresso's April fool's joke in the OpenTTD 2.0.0 thread :-D 07:15:34 <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=47238&start=140 07:15:58 <kannerke> congrats with the 1.0.0 release, where/when is the party? :D 07:18:45 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-18-119.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 07:18:49 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 07:19:09 <blathijs> planetmaker: I think both his irony detector and cynism generator work just fine :-) 07:22:16 <planetmaker> blathijs: then mine must be broken :-P 07:24:19 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-mlimmlgw1-ff1ec000-127.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 07:24:28 <Rubidium> blathijs: just imagine how much time you'd save if you don't have to maintain all those OpenTTD (related) packages in Debian 07:24:42 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:25:08 <ddfreyne> oh right, no more openttd mac port :< 07:25:10 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-228-144.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 07:25:11 <blathijs> :-) 07:25:15 * ddfreyne a bit sad 07:25:42 <Rubidium> or how much time planetmaker would save by not having a reason to work on those openttdcoop projects 07:26:07 <planetmaker> :-D 07:26:26 <planetmaker> I wouldn't know what to do ;-) 07:27:12 * planetmaker wonders how many of the servers run on windoze, how many on other OS 07:29:02 *** Mchl [~kvirc@abfb190.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 07:29:50 *** Mchl [~kvirc@abfb190.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 07:30:19 *** Mchl [~kvirc@abfb190.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 07:30:45 <Mchl> Congratulations everyone! 07:34:27 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 07:40:35 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 07:40:48 *** MeCooL [mecool@94.129.168.187] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:45:39 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D511.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:48:12 *** FauxFaux_ is now known as FauxFaux 07:56:08 <Lapsus> I've made a thread on Facepunch, now that 1.0.0 is out. Any info that I should add? http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?p=21093567 07:57:25 *** ADMINtur [~ADMINtur@90.184.131.169] has joined #openttd 07:59:32 <blathijs> Lapsus: Perhaps use a screenshot with OpenGFX instead? 07:59:37 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:59:43 *** ADMINtur [~ADMINtur@90.184.131.169] has left #openttd [] 07:59:53 <blathijs> Lapsus: Ande perhaps one of the final 1.0, that doesn't say "1.0 beta2" ;-) 07:59:56 <Lapsus> blathijs: ah, good call 07:59:58 <Lapsus> :P 08:00:37 <Lapsus> I wrote it all out while playing beta2, so blah. 08:00:54 * Lapsus makes new images 08:03:07 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 08:14:00 <andythenorth> hi hi 08:15:39 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:16:54 <planetmaker> moin andythenorth 08:17:58 <Lapsus> What's the cutoff point for loading nightlies into 1.0.0? I'm trying to open an openttdcoop game to take some screenshots with. :P 08:18:17 <planetmaker> 4 weeks ago or so 08:19:06 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 08:19:29 <planetmaker> I am again and again surprised how much the base sets are a matter of getting used to 08:20:13 <planetmaker> they look so distinctly different, but switching takes quite some time in order to "know around" the way on first looks 08:25:46 <planetmaker> hm... owen rudge is stepping back from zernebok... :S 08:25:51 <planetmaker> doesn't sound like good news :-( 08:26:32 <planetmaker> but I guess it's just a good April's fools joke ;-) 08:28:58 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 08:30:57 <TrueBrain> Concratz to all :) 08:31:31 <peter1138> g 08:32:42 <Mchl> is Bjarni hanging around here from time to time? 08:32:59 <planetmaker> @seen Bjarni 08:32:59 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 5 weeks, 0 days, 9 hours, 7 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <Bjarni> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wVADKznOhY <-- wtf. Some rich guy built a trebuchet and uses burning pianos as ammo 08:34:15 <Mchl> so the answer is 'kind of' :) 08:39:34 <planetmaker> let's say: his absence is the absence of a mac ports developer - which is sought for officially 08:40:24 <TrueBrain> what? Bjarni could port to the mac? That is new ... 08:44:56 <planetmaker> :-D 08:45:08 <planetmaker> hello TrueBrain 08:45:35 <OwenS> Hmm... the OtherOS removing PS3 firmware update is out today 08:51:41 *** fanioz [7da7381f@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 08:55:28 *** ragzid [~ragzid@173-231-207-85.jizmorava.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 08:56:18 <ragzid> hi all, just a question, script "openttd-wrapper" was used just in RC versions? 08:58:27 <planetmaker> never heart of that script... 08:58:38 <planetmaker> (doesn't mean anything, though) 08:59:33 <ragzid> i discovered it yesterday, after installing rc3 version from debian unstable repository 09:00:31 <planetmaker> you don't mean anything like autopilot or ap+? 09:00:43 <planetmaker> or what's the purpose? Running a server with console output? 09:00:56 <ragzid> the reason I asked is because in this script is used "mktemp" with bad argument, and created menu entry starts this openttd-wrapper 09:01:17 <planetmaker> must be something else then :-) No idea 09:01:20 <ragzid> no, it's just script creating error output to /tmp directory 09:02:08 <ragzid> i have no idea whether it's debian issue, or if it happens also in official releases 09:02:43 <planetmaker> I've even no idea what the purpose of that script might be ;-) 09:02:46 <ragzid> never mind, freshly downloaded 1.0.0 final runs well :) 09:03:01 <ragzid> a menu entry starts directly "openttd" 09:03:07 <ragzid> and btw, good job ;) 09:04:35 *** heffer [~felix@ip-88-152-182-156.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #openttd 09:07:22 <Rubidium> ragzid: the openttd-wrapper is something only in the 'official Debian' Debian package, so if it's broken, file a bug report to the Debian package (or tell blathijs to file a bug report) 09:08:24 <blathijs> ragzid: The openttd-wrapper will be in the 1.0 release in Debian 09:08:44 <blathijs> ragzid: Could you explain your problem in a bit more detail? I've tested the script, it worked for me 09:09:23 <Rubidium> now you'll see, ragzid will 'ping timeout'-disconnect in 3 minutes or so 09:09:43 <ragzid> Rubidium: you wish :P 09:11:10 <ragzid> blathijs: TMPFILE=`mktemp --tmpdir openttd.errout.XXXXXXXXX`, maybe the reason is my mix of stable/unstable packages, but mktemp doesn't know the agr "--tmpdir", so the script only prints xmessage with "Could not create tmpdir" 09:11:40 <Rubidium> sounds like 'too old mktemp' 09:11:52 <lennard> or 'wrong mktemp' 09:12:18 <lennard> oh wait, I'm thinking logtail 09:12:19 <ragzid> installed version is from unstable - 8.4-2 09:12:49 <ragzid> using "-t" works fine 09:12:56 <ragzid> accoring to man page 09:13:29 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.4.136] has joined #openttd 09:13:37 *** DJNekkid is now known as DJNekkid_dot_nl 09:13:50 *** DJNekkid_dot_nl is now known as DJ_Nekkid_dot_nl 09:14:03 <Rubidium> lennard: yeah, wrong mktemp sounds plausible 09:14:13 <Rubidium> in stable there's a mktemp package, in unstable it's part of coreutils 09:14:22 <ragzid> hmm, nowadays I solve dependency hell with kde3 in unstable, maybe mktemp got upgraded 09:14:46 <Rubidium> there is no mktemp package in testing/unstable anymore 09:16:22 <OwenS> people still use kde3? :o 09:16:42 <ragzid> OwenS: of course 09:16:46 <planetmaker> OwenS, yes 09:16:58 <Rubidium> OwenS: yes, you don't want to know the whining of some co-devs about kde4 09:17:51 <OwenS> And yet KDE3's codebase is now frozen, and in fact has been for a year... 09:18:18 <ragzid> that's the reason why I use it 09:18:46 <ragzid> but, I didn't want to start flame :) 09:18:46 <OwenS> That bugs dont get fixed? That security issues remain? 09:19:54 <OwenS> And, heck, the last Qt 3 release was in 2005... 09:20:22 <OwenS> (For the curious, Qt 2.3 is actually newer ;-) 09:20:31 <Rubidium> OwenS: I think people prefer a stable slightly less secure system over an unstable slightly more secure system 09:20:57 <OwenS> I can't say I find KDE4 unstable. Or ever have, even when I was running the betas... 09:22:12 <ragzid> and one of the main reasons why I'm stuck with kde3 is amarok 1.40, maybe if clementine project became more usable i will start thinking about upgrade 09:22:25 <OwenS> Whats wrong with Amarok 2? 09:22:28 <Rubidium> nevertheless, I don't really care about KDE; use some of the apps (which are annoyingly crash prone) 09:22:43 <OwenS> Rubidium: "annoyingly crash prone"? Hmm? 09:23:05 <Rubidium> OwenS: kile crashed three times yesterday 09:23:20 <OwenS> OK, I admit I do little (well, no) LaTeX editing 09:23:47 <ragzid> OwenS: I've never get used to amarok 2, to control, collection,... 09:24:19 <OwenS> It took a bit of time, but I did (Once it materialized from its crashy phase) 09:24:33 * Rubidium still happily uses xmms; suits my needs quite well 09:25:05 <OwenS> I should probably report to the devs a bug with collections and unreliable CIFS mounds 09:25:41 <Rubidium> OwenS: nah, though feel free to report issues with unreliable CIFS mounts 09:26:37 <heffer> what does a "OpenTTD Wrapper" doà 09:26:38 <heffer> ? 09:26:49 <OwenS> Or perhaps I should just figure out how to get NFS between Linux and Solaris working... 09:27:10 <OwenS> I fear it would involve centralizing auth using LDAP, which would be a pain 09:27:21 *** lewymati [~lewymati@89.230.159.206] has joined #openttd 09:27:24 <ragzid> heffer: it starts openttd with directing error output to temp.dir 09:27:33 <heffer> okay 09:28:00 <OwenS> While I remember: Editing down Solaris default 30 second Grub timeout (30 seconds?!) 09:28:08 *** fanioz [7da7381f@webchat.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 09:30:01 <ragzid> blathijs: what about delete "--tmpdir"? mktemp should create the output in /tmp directory, if no other directory is specified 09:30:53 <ragzid> "If DIR is not specified, use $TMPDIR if set, else /tmp" 09:31:10 <planetmaker> blathijs, btw, for the joy of the package maintainers I released a bug fix version of OpenGFX so that you can just run 'make check' in order to test for a successful built of the grf files 09:31:37 <planetmaker> thus you don't have to worry about v0.2.2's broken check anymore 09:39:04 <orudge> planetmaker: it was news to me :p 09:41:14 *** ragzid [~ragzid@173-231-207-85.jizmorava.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has left #openttd [] 09:41:19 *** ragzid_ [~ragzid@173-231-207-85.jizmorava.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 09:41:44 *** ragzid_ is now known as ragzid 09:42:19 *** Lapsus is now known as Laps|z 09:42:45 * peter1138 smirks at http://aaisp.net.uk/news-1-Apr-2010.html 09:43:46 <blathijs> ragzid: It seems there are two versions, an old version from the mktemp package, which is replaced by a new version in the coreutils package 09:43:53 *** muszek [~muszek@ip188-201.ghnet.pl] has joined #openttd 09:44:03 <blathijs> ragzid: Thanks for reporting, I'll change it so it works with both versions :-) 09:44:23 <blathijs> planetmaker: Ah, nice. Rubidium also said something along those lines :-) 09:44:39 <ragzid> blathijs: no problem, hope it helps :) 09:44:50 <muszek> hi... how do I change between original/new gfx/sfx? I'm running Ubuntu, have copied the original files a while back and want to see how the new ones look like. 09:45:12 <muszek> congrats on the 1.0, btw 09:46:04 <blathijs> muszek: There's a few dropdowns in the game options menu 09:46:35 <muszek> blathijs: thanks, i missed it 09:46:47 *** OwenS [~owenshep@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:47:33 <muszek> hmmm... i can only choose 'original windows' for gfx and 'original windows'/'no sound' for sfx 09:48:28 <ragzid> muszek: have you downloaded it and copied to /data folder? 09:48:52 <muszek> just saw I can download the new sets... 09:51:44 <Ammler> ragzid: no need to copy the sets around... 09:55:44 <ragzid> Ammler: i'm not sure, i just did fresh install from official 1.0.0 debian squeeze package, but openg(s)fx are not included 09:56:00 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DB52C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:57:45 <Ammler> they should install to right place, I meant. 10:08:05 <ragzid> muszek: and have you tried download the new sets from bananas? 10:08:06 <blathijs> ragzid: You should install them separately. The easiest way is probably through the in-game download service for now 10:08:45 *** Mazur [~Mazur@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 10:08:59 *** ptr [~peter@wpa-219.kthopen.kth.se] has joined #openttd 10:10:10 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has joined #openttd 10:11:28 *** Mazur [~Mazur@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has left #openttd [] 10:14:06 <muszek> ragzid: i just used the 'check online content' dialog from within openttd 10:17:26 <Noldo> \o/ 10:28:35 <ragzid> it's weird, 10 minutes ago i checked the bananas, and in the list were only NewGRF, now there are base sets, height maps, scenarios... 10:29:48 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-228-144.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Something strange must have happened...] 10:31:32 <Coco-Banana-Man> you probably checked it from the NewGRF-List and not from the main menu... 10:33:04 <ragzid> Coco-Banana-Man: you're right :) i missed that button first in main menu according to translation 10:33:14 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-228-144.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 10:37:49 *** RockerTimmy [~RockerTim@82-171-163-93.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:47:35 <ctibor> congratz on 1.0.0 release :-) 10:49:48 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.3.9.59] has joined #openttd 11:01:45 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:09:04 *** muszek [~muszek@ip188-201.ghnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:15:37 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has joined #openttd 11:16:59 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:20:50 *** fjb is now known as Guest911 11:20:51 *** fjb [~frank@p5485AEE4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:24:36 *** fjb [~frank@p5485AEE4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:24:49 *** Guest911 [~frank@p5485CDFC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:29:12 *** fjb [~frank@p5485AEE4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:32:20 *** enr1x [~kiike@77.229.85.144] has joined #openttd 11:35:40 *** Mchl [~kvirc@abfb190.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:37:00 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:38:33 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D511.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:51:38 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.4.136] has quit [] 11:54:26 *** enr1x [~kiike@77.229.85.144] has quit [Quit: bye] 12:02:47 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:04:55 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has joined #openttd 12:06:49 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d0b4.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:08:31 *** DanMacK [~here@65.94.201.53] has joined #openttd 12:19:45 <Belugas> hello 12:20:25 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:2457:cf6b:96d7:b3bb] has joined #openttd 12:20:28 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:20:37 <Belugas> congratulations to all who made version 1.0 possible. This is QUITE a milestone! 12:20:43 <Belugas> hip hip hip HURRAY! 12:21:03 <Forked> didn't you do this last year too? release on april 1st when no one would belive it? =p 12:23:18 <Forked> anyway, congratulations and most excellent work =) 12:24:40 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.4.136] has joined #openttd 12:29:00 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has joined #openttd 12:36:14 <planetmaker> hm, there you start an OpenTTD 1.0.0 server and 30 minutes later you already have 6 companies and seven clients... 12:38:17 <planetmaker> SHIT! 12:38:34 <planetmaker> We got a desync on a newgrf - free virgin 1.0.0 server... :-( 12:39:59 <planetmaker> (no it's not april fools joke :-( ) 12:40:57 <Coco-Banana-Man> oh... andythenorth? 12:46:33 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.127] has joined #openttd 12:46:57 *** Yexo [~Yexo@205-89-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Quit: bye] 12:47:15 *** Yexo [~Yexo@205-89-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 12:49:35 <glx> planetmaker: and with trunk ? 12:50:04 <planetmaker> glx, I've seen one desync on our .pro server a few days back. 12:50:10 <planetmaker> But once and only once. 12:50:13 <planetmaker> r195xx 12:50:34 <planetmaker> sorry. r19443 12:51:05 <planetmaker> and only seen and not experienced myself. Not been able to re-produce so far 12:51:49 *** heffer [~felix@ip-88-152-182-156.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 12:54:19 <glx> maybe a buggy grf 12:56:08 <Ammler> glx: no newgrfs... 12:56:38 <glx> weird 12:56:40 <Ammler> also no server side patches 12:56:48 <Ammler> it is really vanilla trunk 12:56:56 <Ammler> well, not trunk, 1.0 :-) 12:57:18 <planetmaker> not even self-compiled 12:57:27 <planetmaker> built by (suse?) compile farm 12:57:42 <Ammler> well, that is the same as self compiled 12:57:47 <planetmaker> :-P 12:58:06 <Ammler> they build a vm for suse 11.2 12:58:09 *** RockerTimmy [~RockerTim@82-171-163-93.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:58:21 <glx> as always: how to reproduce :) 12:58:41 <Ammler> the desyncy guy doesn't know, how to chat ;-) 12:58:59 <Ammler> so we have no idea, what is used there... 12:59:11 <planetmaker> glx, if I knew, I'd tell. For sure :-) 12:59:30 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-mlimmlgw1-ff1ec000-127.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 12:59:30 <Yexo> <Ammler> the desyncy guy doesn't know, how to chat ;-) <- then how are you sure he's using vanilla 1.0.0? he might be using some buggy client-side patches 12:59:31 <planetmaker> Currently I'm just telling: folks, keep your eyes open for that. :-) 12:59:41 <planetmaker> Yexo, he might. Sure 12:59:55 <planetmaker> The guy in r19443 claimed he did use the CF's binary, though 13:00:40 <planetmaker> as it's the 2nd one in relatively short time... I'm skeptical. Haven't seen it in 12 months before. 13:02:53 *** veio [~veio@84-50-195-66-dsl.est.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 13:03:17 <veio> hi 13:03:24 <veio> anyone here? 13:03:36 <veio> got problem with openTTD 13:04:11 <Yexo> we can only help you if you let us know what your problem is (don't ask to ask, just ask) 13:04:34 <veio> when i go Lan menu my TTD just freezes 13:04:50 <veio> sometimes if i lucky i get in game and freeze again 13:04:58 <veio> and got fatal error... 13:05:05 <veio> win vista 32bit 13:05:54 <veio> but single player i can play normally 13:06:04 <Yexo> what version do you use? 13:06:54 <veio> 1.0.0 13:07:00 <veio> just downloaded today 13:07:55 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-mlimmlgw1-ff1ec000-127.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:07:57 <Priski> hmm firewall issues? 13:08:00 <Eddi|zuHause> whe does apple computer get into the guinness book of records, as the longest running april's fools joke? 13:08:34 <planetmaker> velo sometimes the network needs a bit time to talk to the other computers. How much time did you allow? 13:08:51 <veio> i dont belive its begind firewall ive allow ttd 13:09:04 <veio> like min or 2 13:09:13 <planetmaker> @ports 13:09:13 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service, a.k.a. BaNaNaS (outbound) 13:09:31 <planetmaker> ^ are those ports open in your PC's firewall and in your router for two-way communication? 13:09:44 <veio> yes 13:10:03 <veio> router for sure... but lemme check firewall 13:11:05 *** davis [~b@p5B289E4E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:12:00 <veio> still freezes 13:12:31 <Belugas> 1) close the window 2) turn on the heat 3) put a coat on 13:12:34 <Yexo> does it also freeze if you open the check online content window? 13:12:46 <Belugas> ho... that kind of freeze.. 13:13:02 <veio> yes only online and lan freezes , single player is fine 13:13:24 <Yexo> veio: and the "check online content" button in the main menu? 13:13:31 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 13:13:35 <veio> sec.. 13:14:00 <Rubidium> veio: how long did you wait before killing OpenTTD if it froze up? 13:14:03 <veio> nope that works fine 13:14:17 <veio> aboyth 30 sec... 13:14:30 <veio> got 4gb ram that shold be enoght:d 13:14:45 <planetmaker> it's not a ram issue. A network connection speed issue 13:14:55 <Rubidium> veio: could you let it wait for like 5 to 10 minutes? 13:15:22 <veio> well i can try 13:15:43 <Coco-Banana-Man> wtf..? Steel is needed for town growth? :-O 13:15:51 <veio> network router is 52mb/sec 13:16:24 <Yexo> Coco-Banana-Man: either you've changed your newgrfs during the game or you're playing with a newgrf that sets steel as needed by towns 13:16:30 <planetmaker> Coco-Banana-Man, it's a newgrf probably which changed that 13:16:45 <Coco-Banana-Man> well.. 13:17:01 <Coco-Banana-Man> I'm playing with ECS, but didn't change it in-game 13:17:19 <veio> the game freezes.. works like 1 sec and freezes again 13:17:35 <veio> if im creating game 13:18:30 <Coco-Banana-Man> I'm playing a tropic scenario... maybe it is because ECS doesn't have water and the game somehow changed it into Steel? 13:18:40 <planetmaker> might be 13:18:40 <Rubidium> veio: so "new game", "online content" and "multiplayer" all freeze? 13:18:56 <Rubidium> generating the new game that is 13:19:22 <veio> only multyplayer.. but its working fine atm 13:20:12 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.4.136] has quit [] 13:20:37 <Rubidium> it's odd that generating a new map doesn't freeze and the online content/multiplayer does freeze 13:20:41 <planetmaker> another desync :-( 13:21:01 <Rubidium> (although the freezing altogether it odd in any case) 13:21:08 <Rubidium> planetmaker: again the same person? 13:21:41 *** kannerke [~pvandenb@83.101.79.171] has left #openttd [] 13:21:47 <planetmaker> other nick 13:22:24 <planetmaker> but doesn't answer either. 13:22:32 <Rubidium> are you using NPF? 13:22:52 <Rubidium> or AIs? 13:22:57 <planetmaker> AIs: no 13:23:07 <planetmaker> what's the NPF setting to check for, do you know by heart? 13:24:43 <Rubidium> nope, but in you client check whether (in the advanced settings) you're using NPF for road or rail vehicles 13:24:59 <planetmaker> I'm not connected right now to the server :-) 13:25:43 <planetmaker> <Stablean> planetmaker: Current value for 'pathfinder_for_trains' is: '2' (min: 1, max: 2) 13:26:09 <Rubidium> and for RV/ships? 13:27:12 <planetmaker> <Stablean> planetmaker: Current value for 'pathfinder_for_roadvehs' is: '2' (min: 1, max: 2) 13:27:12 <planetmaker> <planetmaker> !rcon set pathfinder_for_ships 13:27:12 <planetmaker> <Stablean> planetmaker: Current value for 'pathfinder_for_ships' is: '0' (min: 0, max: 2) 13:27:30 <Rubidium> so none uses NPF 13:27:41 <planetmaker> opf->npf>yapf? 13:27:51 <Rubidium> so it's most likely not caused by the backports since 1.0.0-RC3 13:28:11 <Rubidium> meaning 1.0.0-RC3 should desync too, if 1.0.0 does 13:28:48 <planetmaker> might. I recall having seen one irreproducable in r19443. 13:28:55 <Rubidium> given that a greater number of people have downloaded 1.0.0-RC3 than 1.0.0 (up to now) I find it odd that it's seen right now 13:29:34 <planetmaker> I agree. But maybe people just don't report... 13:30:30 <planetmaker> I mean... so far I don't have any other 'facts' than having it seen reported by the server two / three times. Without further evidence... 13:32:47 <planetmaker> and it's not different things, it's not newgrf-related. That's good news, too. 13:33:06 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 13:33:36 *** egladil [~egladil@s83-191-244-232.cust.tele2.se] has joined #openttd 13:39:26 <planetmaker> interestingly it happened always nearly immediately after joining. 13:40:19 <Yexo> does the server use opengfx/original graphics? and the players that desynced? 13:42:27 <planetmaker> Yexo, how can I be sure to know which the server uses? 13:42:45 <planetmaker> In ~/.openttd there is an original.tar and we also have the opengfx in the content_download 13:42:45 <Yexo> hmm, no idea 13:43:40 <planetmaker> in any case I cannot tell for any of the players 13:49:05 *** veio [~veio@84-50-195-66-dsl.est.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 13:53:41 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 13:53:43 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D511.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:55:07 *** Mchl [~kvirc@bgr4.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 13:58:59 *** lewymati [~lewymati@89.230.159.206] has quit [] 14:13:23 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 14:26:58 *** enr1x [~kiike@77.229.85.144] has joined #openttd 14:29:36 <Ammler> he running stable is fun, player join with 2nd company to terraform... 14:31:11 *** Goulpy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 14:31:25 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 14:31:26 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest928 14:31:26 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 14:34:52 <Ammler> running 4 hours a server and already needs banning 14:36:40 <peter1138> running 4 hours a server ? 14:36:55 *** asilv [~asilvio@dsl-lprbrasgw1-fe9afa00-232.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:38:08 *** Guest928 [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:38:13 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:38:22 <Eddi|zuHause> weird-swiss-language showing through :) 14:39:20 *** rait [~rait@82.131.24.67.cable.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 14:43:48 *** Mchl [~kvirc@bgr4.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:46:27 *** OwenS [~owenshep@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 14:46:56 *** DanMacK [~here@65.94.201.53] has quit [] 14:48:40 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:50:36 *** Biolunar_ [mahdi@blfd-5d8239ce.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:00:39 <Priski> Is there a way to set openttd use other location for data/ saves etc gamedata other than "MyDocuments/OpenTTD" in a way that it is still shared between 2 binaries? 15:01:22 <Ammler> system data share 15:01:36 <Ammler> readme tells you the locations 15:11:33 *** ragzid [~ragzid@173-231-207-85.jizmorava.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:13:16 *** Adambean [~AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 15:19:16 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-5d8239ce.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:28:50 <Priski> Ammler there is no way to have own custom dir? 15:29:13 <Rubidium> Priski: how would OpenTTD know about that custom dir? 15:30:25 <glx> there is a way (but that implies code change and compilation) 15:30:33 <Rubidium> nevertheless, with the "working directory" and a shortcut you can set it to use any directory (as long as you put an openttd.cfg there and there isn't one in the my documents directory) 15:31:16 <Priski> ah 15:31:29 <Priski> that did not crossed my mind 15:31:37 <Priski> gotta try that 15:32:22 <glx> indeed that's easier 15:36:48 <Priski> ITS ALIVE, MWAHAHAHAHAAAA (thanks guys :) 15:37:28 <Priski> great to have some games ready-to-go on external usb drive ^^ 15:39:12 <Priski> btw is tomorrow national holiday in lot of countries? 15:39:39 <Rubidium> yeah, tomorrow it's "OpenTTD gaming day" 15:39:51 <Priski> :D 15:40:13 <peter1138> i reckon it's laying in bed recovering day 15:41:22 <Priski> I have this terrible urge to start drinking even though tomorrow everyone is getting wasted 15:41:34 <Rubidium> only 262 OpenTTD downloads in the last 10 minutes :( 15:43:10 <Priski> I'm just waiting to luukland servers to be updated to 1.0 15:43:23 <Rubidium> isn't one already? 15:43:43 <Priski> It's just test server 15:47:00 <Priski> never tried those seemed very intresting 15:47:19 <Priski> Just cant play just "plain Ottd" anymore 15:48:56 <Priski> luukland's site doesn't seem to tell much about what you do on their servers 15:49:31 <Priski> Goals and campains gotta be fun? 15:49:53 <Priski> I gotta have IRL friends to play this 15:51:31 <Priski> I miss the days when I actually played CS 1.6 on a clan that was not-so-serious and it was so fun at the time 15:52:21 * Rubidium remembers playing tag in Unreal :) 15:52:51 <Priski> We would get on mics and headphones and during a match somene got the idea to drink beer while having a match 15:53:09 <Priski> ahh... the times... 15:53:18 *** Westie [~westie@starfish.typefish.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:54:14 *** enr1x [~kiike@77.229.85.144] has quit [Quit: rebooting] 15:55:05 *** Westie [~westie@starfish.typefish.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:55:05 <Priski> It would be kinda fun to play OpenTTD with bunch of friends with mics and talking bs while playing just for funs 15:55:24 <peter1138> just fire up teamspeak or something 15:55:47 <Priski> yeah thats not hard 15:56:03 <Priski> during 1.6 times tho, we preferred Ventrilo 15:56:10 *** rait [~rait@82.131.24.67.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 4002, sources date: 20100125, built on: 2010-02-22 08:48:07 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/] 15:56:30 <Priski> caused less lag and voice quality was better 15:57:10 <Priski> but it was propietary and hassle to work with sometimes 15:57:37 <Priski> propietary I mean shareware bs 15:57:56 <peter1138> teamspeak is proprietory too 15:58:09 *** enr1x [~kiike@77.229.85.144] has joined #openttd 15:58:20 <Priski> It had stupid ass limitations 15:58:37 <KenjiE20> mumble? 15:59:36 <Priski> userlimit was too low i think 15:59:52 <Priski> cant remember clearly, long time ago since used 16:00:33 <Priski> KenjiE20: never tried, gotta try that 16:00:46 <KenjiE20> looks promising 16:01:05 <Priski> "open source, low-latency, high quality voice chat software primarily intended for use while gaming." 16:01:13 <Priski> sounds about just right 16:01:38 <KenjiE20> yea it supports overlays and things ala xfire, which is neat 16:02:15 <KenjiE20> just no reseller stuff yet, so unless you own big pipes, it might be a bit weird 16:05:26 *** ptr [~peter@wpa-219.kthopen.kth.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 16:09:14 <Priski> finally kaffeine kicks in 16:09:41 <Priski> just pain in the ass getting sleep rythm back to normal 16:23:30 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 16:33:10 *** Adambean [~AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 16:47:49 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D511.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:49:25 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 16:57:40 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@92.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 16:58:36 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@79.88.148.83] has joined #openttd 17:00:18 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@92.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 17:00:23 *** enr1x [~kiike@77.229.85.144] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:00:56 *** ptr [~peter@dhcp-161-111.dsv.su.se] has joined #openttd 17:24:05 *** Goulpy is now known as Muxy 17:29:53 * andythenorth wonders if it will take 6 years for FIRS 1.0 :o 17:30:03 <andythenorth> congrats :D 17:31:49 <Coco-Banana-Man> andythenorth, suggestion: Do something to disallow forests and maybe farms in desert :P 17:32:09 <andythenorth> forests yes, farms....no 17:32:16 <andythenorth> irrigation... 17:32:30 <andythenorth> but not in the next 6 months ;) 17:34:08 *** aber [~Adium@p5B325C1D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:37:54 <Priski> FIRS <3 17:38:13 <Priski> I tried that first time about week ago 17:38:20 <Priski> an boy was I hooked 17:39:14 <Priski> I have been planning to terraforming-cost-up + firs newgrf game for just for kicks 17:39:37 <Priski> its just ridiculous how mucht stuff you can transfer on that 17:40:35 <Priski> small map, high indrustry count, and terraforming "block" + multiplayer coop = must be serious fun 17:40:47 <Priski> with firs 17:42:13 <andythenorth> Priski: feedback is appreciated :) 17:42:44 <andythenorth> I have 67 pages of opinions on what the set *should* be....then I release 0.1 and get..... 17:42:51 <andythenorth> ....deathly silence :P 17:43:23 <Rubidium> andythenorth: ofcourse, they're playing with it... the complaining will come several days to weeks after the release 17:43:40 <andythenorth> he 17:44:49 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D511.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:45:29 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: translators * r19532 /trunk/src/lang/traditional_chinese.txt: 17:45:29 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:29 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: traditional_chinese - 3 changes by josesun 17:49:50 <Rubidium> today is definitely going to set the binary download record :) 17:51:13 <Rubidium> 11000 downloads in the roughly last 10 hours, previous record is 8600-ish 17:52:03 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 17:52:35 *** enr1x [~kiike@77.229.85.144] has joined #openttd 17:56:56 *** enr1x [~kiike@77.229.85.144] has quit [] 17:59:02 <Terkhen> :) 18:01:53 <Terkhen> I'm currently playing a FIRS-HEQS game with no terraforming too, the trams are nice :P 18:02:12 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:02:17 <Priski> andythenorth: sorry I was elswhere, it's your child this FIRS? 18:02:43 <Priski> I remeber seeing your nick on openttdcoop dev project site 18:03:15 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:04:34 <andythenorth> Priski: yup, "I done FIRS"....with a lot of help :) 18:06:46 <Priski> Yeah I know, open source is not owned by anyone 18:06:50 <Priski> but still 18:07:14 <Priski> group effort is the best effort after all 18:08:03 <Priski> I luv you all 18:09:39 <Priski> man how I would want now get the hell out of here and get to drinkin, but no designated driver or even car, no money to cab and people are 45km away 18:11:00 <Priski> I havent felt this good for long time, don't ask what drugs is involved 18:11:10 <Priski> lets just say its holiday and all is ok 18:11:15 <Priski> wohooo 18:11:33 <Rubidium> well all know that FIRS and OTTD are addictive 18:13:19 * andythenorth hmmmss 18:13:27 <andythenorth> what to do next 18:14:09 <Rubidium> andythenorth: mmmhs? 18:14:36 <andythenorth> I can't release HEQS trams - hoping Dan Mack is sending more sprites 18:14:42 <andythenorth> I can't do much on FIRS - need a break 18:14:48 <andythenorth> I know! Boats :) 18:15:46 <Alberth> Priski: stuff made in open source does have an owner. He is just so nice to let you see and use everything. 18:16:06 <Terkhen> andythenorth: I was thinking that the log raft could be refitted to smaller capacities, like the HEQS trams 18:16:15 <andythenorth> yep... 18:16:27 <Priski> Alberth: :) 18:16:29 <andythenorth> Terkhen: what do you think of the refitting? 18:16:34 <andythenorth> is it annoying in the menus? 18:16:43 <andythenorth> I keep refitting to coal by accident :( 18:17:11 * Priski gives HUGE hug all OpenTTD devs, main and sideprojects all combined 18:17:15 <planetmaker> :-) 18:17:23 <Terkhen> kind of, it takes too much space... but it is better than having different vehicles just for capacity 18:17:47 <andythenorth> I agree 18:17:59 <andythenorth> I'm thinking of changing the tractors, bulldozers etc to use the same method 18:18:06 * andythenorth wonders if there's a better way 18:18:51 <planetmaker> [20:15] <Alberth> Priski: stuff made in open source does have an owner. He is just so nice to let you see and use everything. <-- upon certain conditions ;-) 18:19:02 *** aber1 [~Adium@p5B325C1D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:19:07 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 18:19:30 *** R-Blade [~W@209.212.25.30] has joined #openttd 18:20:02 <andythenorth> Terkhen: you're working on a generic cargo list order? 18:20:42 <R-Blade> sup all 18:21:17 <Priski> planetmaker: Im not lawyer but even licencin granst all cool things IT rarely removes orginal authors rights 18:21:28 <Priski> sorry spelling 18:21:58 <planetmaker> Priski: yes, that's what I'm saying 18:22:12 *** aber [~Adium@p5B325C1D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:22:29 <planetmaker> But I'm saying also: Opensource like GPL allows you to do nearly anything with it. 18:22:41 <Priski> planetmaker: I did know that but I like to take filosofical stances once a while... ;) 18:22:52 <planetmaker> But not like using it, modifying it, then selling it WITHOUT sharing your modifications. 18:23:10 <R-Blade> that was intended to prevent the apple/bsd style 18:23:14 <planetmaker> it's a kind of tid for tad game, at least with GPL. 18:23:15 <R-Blade> "welp, my code now lol" 18:23:19 <planetmaker> BSD is more permissive 18:23:21 <Priski> I do programming myself and have been closely involved licensin messes before 18:23:38 <R-Blade> and now GPLV3 was to prevent the TiVo liscense 18:23:46 <R-Blade> I usually use mit for my school work 18:25:15 <Terkhen> andythenorth: yes, using the order we discussed: http://devs.openttd.org/~terkhen/screenshots/sorted_cargos_ecs.png 18:25:16 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:25:43 <andythenorth> Terkhen: I was wondering if that will also apply to the vehicle refit list? 18:26:16 <Terkhen> I don't know if it could / should be applied 18:27:26 <andythenorth> it would make more sense to me.....however.... 18:27:49 <andythenorth> ...I *really* prefer the 'filter by string' option as used in the newgrf window 18:27:51 <andythenorth> :o 18:28:15 <andythenorth> compared to clicking on a long lost 18:28:18 <andythenorth> list :P 18:29:18 <planetmaker> download count on bananas seems to rise a bit faster than in the pre-1.0.0 time ;-) 18:29:38 <planetmaker> 700 OpenGFX downloads in 24h or so 18:30:08 *** aber [~Adium@p5B325C1D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:30:12 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: terkhen * r19533 /trunk/src/ (roadveh_cmd.cpp vehicle_gui.cpp): -Fix [FS#3720]: Vehicle details window did not resize correctly after refitting a road vehicle to a longer variant. 18:31:31 <andythenorth> ^ ooh 18:31:35 <andythenorth> time to compile 18:31:55 <Alberth> planetmaker: good thing 1.0.0 is not released every day :) 18:33:00 *** aber [~Adium@p5B325C1D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:33:15 *** aber [~Adium@p5B325C1D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:34:33 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:37:03 *** aber1 [~Adium@p5B325C1D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:38:27 <planetmaker> Alberth: indeed :-) 18:38:31 *** aber [~Adium@p5B325C1D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:39:16 *** aber [~Adium@p5B325C1D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:39:36 *** aber [~Adium@p5B325C1D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 18:43:02 *** APTX_ [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:44:20 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 18:50:29 *** ptr_ [~peter@wpa-219.kthopen.kth.se] has joined #openttd 18:50:30 *** ptr_ [~peter@wpa-219.kthopen.kth.se] has quit [] 18:54:11 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D511.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:56:57 *** ptr [~peter@dhcp-161-111.dsv.su.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:00:23 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 19:02:52 <Ammler> the best part about 1.0.0 is that we have another intro save 19:03:20 <Ammler> also you see it mostly only some seconds 19:03:48 <Ammler> but that I miss in trunk 19:04:27 <Yexo> andythenorth: "The other one may well pop up in FIRS sometime :)" <- from the FISH topic 19:04:34 <Yexo> you really have done too much FIRS coding :p 19:06:51 <andythenorth> meh 19:06:57 <andythenorth> stupid acronyms 19:07:30 <andythenorth> I'm going to merge my newgrfs into FIRSHEQS 19:07:42 <andythenorth> then you have to play the whole game *my* way :P 19:07:43 <Ammler> planetmaker: did you ever watch helicopters in opengfx? 19:07:55 <Alberth> nah, next acronym must start with FIT, obviously 19:08:10 <andythenorth> hmmm 19:08:20 <andythenorth> BANDIT could be renamed 19:08:46 <andythenorth> FITs Into Trucks.... 19:09:00 <andythenorth> FITS Is Trucks 19:09:27 * andythenorth wonders if this meat has gone....bad 19:09:28 <Ammler> confirmed, helicopters have a glitch in opengfx 19:09:33 * andythenorth only one way to find out 19:09:55 <andythenorth> Yexo: fixed that typo, thanks ;) 19:15:40 <Ammler> ups, wrong channel, well... 19:23:29 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 19:30:14 *** asilv [~asilvio@dsl-lprbrasgw1-fe9afa00-232.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 19:46:55 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-104-208.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:47:39 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-5d8239ce.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:48:33 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db0e5d8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:48:40 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: terkhen * r19534 /trunk/src/ (cargotype.cpp cargotype.h newgrf.cpp strings.cpp): -Add: Keep a list of cargo specifications sorted by cargo class / name. 19:49:03 * andythenorth wonders whether to compile again :o 19:50:11 *** aber [~Adium@p5B325C1D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:50:42 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: terkhen * r19535 /trunk/src/graph_gui.cpp: -Feature: Sort cargos at the cargo payment rates graph. 19:52:25 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: terkhen * r19536 /trunk/src/build_vehicle_gui.cpp: -Feature: Sort cargos at the filter by cargo dropdown in the build vehicle window. 19:54:39 <Terkhen> andythenorth: I have added sorting the refit window to my todo list, but I expect it to be more complicated than this if a single cargo can get multiple refits 19:54:54 <andythenorth> okey dokey :) 19:57:46 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 19:58:47 * andythenorth compiles openttd (again) :o 19:59:21 *** Alberth1 [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:59:21 *** Alberth is now known as Guest957 19:59:21 *** Alberth1 is now known as Alberth 20:03:49 <andythenorth> should I be reporting compile warnings (not fails) 20:03:50 <andythenorth> ? 20:04:24 <planetmaker> andythenorth: yes 20:04:33 *** Guest957 [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:04:39 <andythenorth> fs or paste? 20:04:51 <planetmaker> depends :-) 20:05:15 <andythenorth> http://paste.openttd.org/225453 20:08:08 <Yexo> those warnings are incorrect 20:08:14 <Yexo> the compiler is just not smart enough 20:08:58 <planetmaker> andythenorth: gcc-4.0.1, right? 20:09:10 <andythenorth> yep 20:09:59 <Yexo> readme.txt section 7.2: 20:10:00 <Yexo> - GNU Compiler Collection (GCC) 3.3 - 4.5. 20:10:03 <Yexo> Versions 4.1 and earlier give bogus warnings about uninitialised variables. 20:11:37 <andythenorth> ta 20:12:10 <planetmaker> interesting :-) 20:15:40 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:16:41 <andythenorth> Terkhen: nice cargo list :) 20:17:31 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-33-210.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:18:38 <OwenS> Yexo: With ProgSigs I got a bogus uninitialized warning from a user on 4.2 :s 20:18:58 <Terkhen> :) 20:19:37 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.127] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:19:46 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-26-162.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 20:23:29 <PeterT> OpenTTD: Are you kidding me? http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=126898 20:25:03 <Terkhen> that's the new difficulty setting, right? 20:29:51 *** Tennel [~Tennel@pD9528D9F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:30:00 <PeterT> is it? 20:31:28 *** Tennel [~Tennel@pD9528D9F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 20:36:01 <Terkhen> not really :P 20:41:34 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: have you looked at the calendar today? :p 20:42:55 <Ammler> rtl, funny 20:43:56 <Terkhen> rtl+utd 20:44:32 <Terkhen> why is the plane icon missing? ancient opengfx? 20:48:01 <Belugas> I STOLE IT! 20:48:03 <Belugas> hjeheheh!~!!! 20:48:50 <davis> insanity live 20:48:52 <davis> on irc 20:48:54 <davis> #openttd. 20:51:06 <Terkhen> why, are you planning to ask for a ransom? :/ 21:00:12 *** TheMask96 [martijn@lust.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:03:32 *** zodttd2 [~me@user-0c90n1c.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #openttd 21:05:10 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has joined #openttd 21:06:46 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:07:02 *** TheMask96 [martijn@89.104.166.238] has joined #openttd 21:09:39 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has joined #openttd 21:10:22 *** zodttd [~me@user-0c90n1c.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:16:25 *** Zephyris [~Zephyris@95.147.73.69] has joined #openttd 21:17:33 *** zachanima [~zach@90.185.77.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:23:12 <Terkhen> andythenorth: in FIRS, it is intended to have a iron ore to steel production ratio so low? 21:23:18 <andythenorth> yes 21:24:35 <planetmaker> [22:44] <Terkhen> why is the plane icon missing? ancient opengfx? <-- uhm...? can you descripe/ screenshot it? 21:24:55 <Terkhen> I won't be sending scrap metal to aluminium plants anytime soon then :P 21:25:08 <Terkhen> planetmaker: I was talking about the link PeterT pasted 21:25:28 <andythenorth> Terkhen: he 21:25:29 <planetmaker> uff 21:26:03 <Terkhen> hmm... 21:26:15 <planetmaker> it's like I found in the version I wanted to release the airport cursor sprite replaced by a passenger rail car... not that something similar slipped in ;-) 21:27:06 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@79.88.148.83] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:27:36 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19537 /extra/website/frontpage/templates/frontpage/development.html: [Website] -Add: mention the compiled (by the CF) helper tools (grfcodec, nforenum, catcodec and pngcodec) on the development page (planetmaker) 21:28:06 <andythenorth> Terkhen: deliver some scrap every 30 days or so to the steel mill...the rest to the aluminium plant ;) 21:28:17 * andythenorth tried so hard to avoid micro-management :| 21:31:29 <Rubidium> yay! Today's the day with the most bananas downloads in bandwidth and still 2.5 hours to go 21:32:20 <planetmaker> :-D 21:32:40 <planetmaker> Rubidium: why still 2.5 hours? GMT? 21:32:46 <Rubidium> UTC 21:32:50 <davis> MIRC 21:32:54 <davis> yeah .. 21:33:12 <Terkhen> andythenorth: http://devs.openttd.org/~terkhen/screenshots/aluminium.png <--- I don't know if I broke it or if you did 21:34:46 <Terkhen> hmmm... no, it does not happen in with r19536 / FIRS 0.1.1 21:35:07 <andythenorth> nope 21:35:12 <andythenorth> I don't see that 21:36:21 <Terkhen> I think it's happening for most FIRS cargos in my savegame, but it doesn't when starting a new game... I'll try to reproduce it 21:38:34 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-mlimmlgw1-ff1ec000-127.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 21:40:15 <andythenorth> Terkhen: try setting param 0 to 0 21:42:18 <Terkhen> thanks, that was the cause 21:42:21 <Terkhen> I was using 2 21:43:13 <andythenorth> param 0 is the economy setting....but it's massively unfinished.... sorry :o 21:44:05 <Terkhen> you should change the readme then :P 21:44:33 <Rubidium> what? 21:44:43 <Rubidium> you read the readme? 21:44:52 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-5-149.A212.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 21:45:25 <planetmaker> it's certainly just a faultily named do-not-readme.txt 21:45:41 <andythenorth> who reads the readme m) 21:46:13 <aber> highly suspect 21:46:14 <andythenorth> I knew there was something I forgot when I released :P 21:46:42 <andythenorth> Terkhen: how did you even find the readme? I can find it in my repo, but I have no idea what Bananas does with it 21:46:45 *** wallyweb [~chatzilla@CPE00195b4da7c6-CM0012c99eb0fe.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 21:47:13 <Terkhen> yes, I usually read readmes... not completely, though :P 21:48:07 <andythenorth> where does the readme end up? 21:48:13 <Rubidium> andythenorth: in the tar 21:48:18 <wallyweb> planetmaker: Excellent! That makes two! :-) I've highlighted patchman but I won't hold my breath. 21:48:31 <Terkhen> andythenorth: I compile with make bundle, the readme is copied into the firs-nightly folder 21:48:40 <planetmaker> yeah, but that's now MUCH better than before :-) 21:48:47 <planetmaker> Thanks for bringing it up again :-) 21:49:03 <planetmaker> and going fixing it, too :-) 21:49:38 <wallyweb> No problem ... it filled in a slow afternoon. 21:49:55 <planetmaker> Terkhen: yes, the readme should be part of the nightly bundle. But all inside a tar, no? 21:50:31 <planetmaker> or do you mean when you untar it? 21:50:38 <wallyweb> bbl 21:50:39 <planetmaker> Should it be in a separate sub-dir? 21:50:43 *** wallyweb [~chatzilla@CPE00195b4da7c6-CM0012c99eb0fe.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #openttd [] 21:51:06 <Terkhen> I haven't noticed any tar being created after using make bundle 21:51:13 <andythenorth> where does bananas put the tar? 21:51:20 <planetmaker> Terkhen: yes. make bundle_tar does that ;-) 21:51:28 <planetmaker> or make install does it implicitly 21:51:50 <planetmaker> andythenorth: ~/Documents/OpenTTD/content_download/data/....tar 21:51:57 <Terkhen> see? I don't read readmes completely :P 21:52:05 <planetmaker> :-P 21:52:36 <planetmaker> make bundle just creates a dir which has everything a release needs 21:53:27 <Terkhen> then the part about "make bundle" of the FIRS readme is outdated 21:53:40 * andythenorth wonders how players find the readme? 21:53:55 <planetmaker> Terkhen: might be... 21:54:10 <planetmaker> Though 'make bundle' never installed anything 21:54:20 <planetmaker> at least not that I recall ;-) 21:54:25 <planetmaker> And I wrote the damn makefile(s) 21:54:32 <andythenorth> Terkhen: looks like you're finding my tasks for FIRS 0.2 :) 21:55:42 <Terkhen> only those related to a readme that will never be read :P 21:56:00 <andythenorth> or found 21:56:17 * andythenorth thinks 'hg rm readme.txt' 21:57:04 <Ammler> :-) 21:59:57 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 22:03:09 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:03:41 <fjb> Hm, how about an in game readme viewer? 22:03:55 <SmatZ> yeah 22:03:56 *** Timitry_ [~Tim@p5DE8E0AF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:04:05 <PeterT> sounds interesting 22:04:21 * Rubidium volunteers fjb for the task 22:04:27 <SmatZ> I was thinking about forcing users to read the readme by asking them several questions from readme before running the game 22:04:33 <SmatZ> like 22:05:08 * fjb has more than enough other C coding to do. :-( 22:05:10 <PeterT> what is the 5,843th character? 22:05:23 <SmatZ> "You have Ubuntu and you don't hear sounds. What will you do?" "a) open just another bugreport" "b) install pulseaudio" ... 22:05:42 <planetmaker> hehe @ SmatZ 22:06:03 <Terkhen> c) open a post at the forums without searching first 22:06:05 <Ammler> SmatZ: every year such a question 22:06:09 <SmatZ> :-) 22:06:38 <Ammler> and depending of your answer, it costs you money ;-) 22:06:59 <planetmaker> One of the other famous ones should be asking for the path(s) to the newgrf files or where to get AIs 22:07:08 <fjb> Or it raises landscaping costs. 22:07:13 <SmatZ> hehe 22:07:32 <PeterT> or the game crashes constantly with silly messages 22:07:32 <planetmaker> with scriptable scenarios it'd even be possible :-P 22:07:45 <Rubidium> "There is a new release of OpenTTD, what's the first thing to do?" a) download the binary package from the OpenTTD website and play, b) got to the bug tracker of my favorite distribution and write a bug report about them not having included the new version in their (frozen) repository yet (without checking whether someone else reported it already ofcourse) 22:08:05 <SmatZ> :-) 22:08:10 <Rubidium> c) think it's an April fool's joke and bugger off falling in another April fool's joke 22:08:13 <SmatZ> hehe 22:08:23 <Terkhen> :P 22:10:00 * PeterT is suspicious of openttd-3.28.zip on http://sourceforge.net/projects/openttdformac/ 22:10:19 *** Timitry_ [~Tim@p5DE8E0AF.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 22:11:27 <aber> cookies 22:11:58 <Ammler> that is date 22:12:05 <Ammler> March 28 22:12:33 <SmatZ> it will go back to 1.1. in 9 months :-p 22:12:40 <fjb> That will get them into trouble next year. 22:12:41 <Ammler> :-D 22:12:50 <planetmaker> hehe :-) 22:13:07 <Ammler> forward to past 22:13:22 <planetmaker> at light speed 22:14:20 <aber> its version 1.0... 22:14:26 <Terkhen> and it includes original files :P 22:15:14 <aber> and who else clicked the file? 22:17:08 *** WizzleBLincoln [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-18-119.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 22:17:11 <Ammler> planetmaker: you could link to this project from the Mac issue thread on tt-ms.de ;-) 22:18:57 <Terkhen> an openttd build that contains a zip file with another openttd build inside it that includes the original files does not seem very advisable to me 22:19:19 <Ammler> is that how universal works? 22:20:18 <planetmaker> not quite. "Proper" binaries come in dmg form for macs. 22:20:39 <planetmaker> and I won't link to the openttdformac site 22:21:06 <planetmaker> well... I could. But not sure :-) 22:21:07 <Ammler> Terkhen: maybe the mac guy didn't realize that 22:21:48 <planetmaker> that guy should just run 'make bundle_dmg' 22:22:04 <Ammler> isn't __MACOSX hidden for you? 22:22:10 <planetmaker> hm? 22:22:26 <planetmaker> ./configure --enable-universal && make bundle_dmg 22:22:27 <Ammler> a folder called that way 22:22:31 <planetmaker> or something like that 22:22:53 <Ammler> ah, they are also there natively 22:22:58 <glx> should we click on "Report inappropriate content" ? 22:23:04 <aber> ./configure --enable-static --static-icu --enable-universal 22:23:13 <planetmaker> not needed, I think, glx 22:23:24 <planetmaker> it has the license infos, or *should* 22:23:28 <Terkhen> I don't know if he included them on purpose... but if he didn't he's not being careful enough with the binaries, that's why I think they are not advisable 22:23:51 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-18-119.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:24:48 <planetmaker> with that I agree 22:25:42 <SpComb> it's a copyright violation 22:25:48 <SpComb> worth reporting 22:25:55 <planetmaker> hu? 22:26:06 <planetmaker> no license file in there? 22:26:12 <SpComb> a .zip with the original TTD data files 22:26:45 <planetmaker> :-O 22:26:46 <Terkhen> it's clearly violating the terms of use of sourceforge, yup 22:26:49 <planetmaker> fool 22:28:40 <planetmaker> if he'd taken opengfx no harm would have been done. :-) 22:29:29 <Ammler> why does nobody make openttd available on macports? 22:29:37 <Ammler> or how you call that? 22:29:53 <aber> you need to be a maintainer... 22:30:09 <Ammler> that means, employer of Apple? 22:31:11 <planetmaker> might actually be a tempting way to distribute OpenTTD for macs :-) 22:31:25 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D511.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:31:37 <Terkhen> good night 22:31:38 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@92.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 22:33:41 <__ln__> does MacPorts distribute native Mac GUI apps? 22:34:45 <planetmaker> I didn't search 22:35:05 <__ln__> my impression is not. 22:35:16 <aber> hey, there is adium (very old) ... 22:37:14 <aber> there are a few, just search for aqua :) 22:40:41 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-f5f9e253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 22:42:31 <andythenorth> I have installed a few macports gui apps IIRC 22:42:53 <Zuu> It's insane how many special cases that can happen when trying to replace a level crossing with a bridge. If there is a crashed vehicle in the way, there can still be non-crashed vehicles on that tile that could get stuck etc. When vehicles turn around at the edge of a tile they are actually on the other tile which becomes .. Fun :-) 22:44:33 <Zuu> Now the only thing that could happen I think is that other companies vehicles could get stuck if they are at the same tile as one of my crashed vehicles, but not if they are (temporarily) on a tile without own crashed vehicles. 22:44:52 <OwenS> Zuu: Do you really care about another company's vehicles? :p 22:45:11 <Zuu> Well, yes since CluelessPlus is a kind AI. 22:45:57 <OwenS> And it sounds a bit like ProgSigs' If block, which is funky as it's one real and two pseudo instructions, and there is no simple instruction order (x -> if -> then? x -> if -> after? x -> if -> else?) 22:48:10 <Zuu> The funciton that replaces a level crossing with a bridge or tunnel is 723 lines long. :-) 22:48:44 <davis> amen 22:49:07 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:49:42 <Zuu> It does contain quite a few anonymous functions eg. in the shape of { } blocks with local vars that get destroyed after that block. 22:51:13 <OwenS> Thats not an anonymous function, just an anonymous scope 22:51:34 <Zuu> Ok, that's maybe the correct name. 22:51:58 <Eddi|zuHause> anonymous function are usually lambdas 22:52:35 <OwenS> An anonymous function would be something like Javascript's "function(x) { return 1 + x; }" or Python's "lambda x: 1 + x" 22:52:46 <OwenS> (Or Alterscript's def(x) 1 + x; 22:53:09 *** Laps|z is now known as Lapsus 22:53:25 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D511.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:56:33 *** tdev [~tdev@p508EAA31.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:04:04 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:04:12 *** tdev [~tdev@p508EAA31.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:05:28 *** R-Blade [~W@209.212.25.30] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:06:14 <Lapsus> Hey, anyone out there running multiple autopilot servers from the same physical machine? I'm getting an error I don't understand. Using the latest ap+ and 1.0.0 on linux. 23:06:37 <KenjiE20> what error? 23:06:52 <Lapsus> I'll pastebin the output, sec 23:08:06 <Lapsus> http://pastebin.com/Pv5Qw4Qr 23:08:47 <Lapsus> actually 23:08:49 <Lapsus> idea 23:09:22 <KenjiE20> a) check openttd launches b) check it launches the save (optional) c) turn on irc_debug 23:10:08 <Lapsus> openttd on it's own launches. I've got no save, turning on the debug and seeing what happens 23:12:07 <Ammler> Lapsus: which distro (version)? 23:14:03 <Lapsus> Ubuntu 9.10 x86 23:14:19 <Lapsus> I'm using the linux_generic binaries, as it's easier to keep everything in one place 23:15:08 <Lapsus> Also worth noting, is that there's already one copy of ap+ running an openttd server on this machine. and I think in saying that I found what I forgot to change 23:15:31 <planetmaker> port :-P ? 23:15:55 <Lapsus> yep. 23:15:57 <planetmaker> nickname or channel? 23:16:03 <Lapsus> Sorry for my excessive stupidity :D 23:16:04 <KenjiE20> openttd on it's own launches. <--- grrrr 23:16:12 <Lapsus> its own* 23:16:18 <KenjiE20> same config 23:16:21 <KenjiE20> or should be 23:16:39 <Lapsus> No, each copy has it's own config file 23:16:43 <KenjiE20> yes 23:17:04 <KenjiE20> but launching it on it's own, presumes you were using the same config as AP 23:17:34 <Lapsus> I was, unless I'm more dense than I though 23:17:37 <Lapsus> t 23:18:20 <Lapsus> Now all that's left is to see if this machine can actually handle two servers at once :v 23:18:24 <Ammler> I wonder, is the devzone project linked somewhere? 23:18:35 <KenjiE20> which? 23:18:40 <Ammler> AP+ 23:18:47 <KenjiE20> on our wiki it is iirc 23:20:16 <KenjiE20> or not 23:20:22 <Lapsus> The openttdcoop wiki page for ap+ doesn't actually seem to link to the devzone 23:21:37 <Lapsus> apparently it just took longer to crash 23:21:39 *** aber [~Adium@p5B325C1D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:21:50 <Lapsus> I'll deal with it when I get back. 23:22:04 *** Lapsus is now known as L|pizza 23:26:35 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 23:27:30 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-5-149.A212.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [] 23:28:29 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-104-208.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:35:01 *** L|pizza is now known as Lapsus 23:39:42 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Flieht, ihr Narren!] 23:43:52 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.3.9.59] has quit [Quit: ãããã¿] 23:55:26 <Lapsus> Okay, so my problem with autopilot just went from stupidly simple to bizarre, go me. 23:56:08 <Lapsus> ap+ crashed again, I think it's the same message, but the IRC bot for that instance is still connected and responsive. 23:56:14 <Lapsus> I'm so confused 23:57:23 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 23:59:10 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B773B2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:59:35 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B772F6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd