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I've problem with OpenMSX... 05:46:17 <planetmaker> moin 05:46:25 <planetmaker> [07:44] <Turgid> [00:42:18] I probably can't help but someone may once they see your question! 05:46:26 <planetmaker> That always applies. Meta questions suck 05:46:42 <Harlequin> Well sounds works.. but music? nah 05:46:59 <Harlequin> brb in about hour and half :) 05:49:43 <Yexo> @op 05:49:46 *** mode/#openttd [+o Yexo] by DorpsGek 05:49:54 *** Yexo changed the topic of #openttd to: 1.0.0, 1.0.1-RC1 | Website: *.openttd.org (translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki, patches & bug-reports: bugs, revision log: vcs, release info: finger) | UTF-8 please | No Unauthorised Bots | Full English Breakfast only | Don't ask to ask, just ask 05:50:03 <Yexo> @deop 05:50:04 *** mode/#openttd [-o Yexo] by DorpsGek 05:50:04 <planetmaker> moin Yexo :-) 05:50:08 <Yexo> morning :) 05:53:14 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: yexo * r19679 /trunk/src/ (newgrf.cpp newgrf.h newgrf_sound.cpp): -Fix: [NewGRF] make sure newgrfs can't overwrite sound effect properties from other newgrfs 06:00:02 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has joined #openttd 06:00:26 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has quit [] 06:19:43 *** Maarten [~dutchusa@cpe-67-49-76-8.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 06:26:04 *** SekiSelu [~Seki@c-71-237-70-85.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:26:32 *** Maarten- [~dutchusa@cpe-67-49-76-8.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:26:46 *** SekiSelu [~Seki@c-71-237-70-85.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 06:27:36 <Terkhen> good morning 06:28:21 <Yexo> morning Terkhen 06:33:44 *** james_ [~james@host81-157-91-142.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 06:34:41 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:41:03 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 06:55:01 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 06:57:01 <Mazur> Mornings. 06:57:58 *** welterde [~welterde@hex.srv.welterde.de] has joined #openttd 07:06:31 <andythenorth> morning 07:12:16 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:14:57 <Harlequin> morning 07:16:20 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 07:21:36 <Harlequin> Well I'd like to ask again because it's doing my head in... I've problems with OpenMSX running OTTD 1.0.0@Arch Linux. OpenSFX and OpenGFX works fine. When I open "Jazz jukebox" and press play, songs will start to "switch" like they were 0:00 long 07:24:58 <peter1138> does timidity run, outside of ottd? 07:29:38 <Harlequin> 2peter1138: seems not 07:30:12 *** james_ [~james@host81-157-91-142.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:30:29 <Mazur> _Are_ the song files 0:00 long? 07:31:07 <Harlequin> I've lacked timidity altogether 07:31:26 <planetmaker> they aren't 0:00 long for OpenMSX. And if they are, the md5sums would mismatch 07:31:56 <Mazur> And you can play them with Timidity, for instance, outside the game? 07:32:14 <Harlequin> hold on just installed it 07:32:19 <Mazur> Or another midi player? 07:32:41 <plantain> I have the same problem as Harlequin 07:32:51 <Harlequin> hold on gotta localize where Pacman downloaded it 07:33:04 <plantain> timidity++ 2.13.2-r12 07:33:07 <plantain> with gentoo 07:33:32 <peter1138> localize? 07:33:32 <Mazur> pm: They might have not been installed properly, files allocated, but not filled? 07:33:40 <peter1138> weird terms :p 07:33:59 <plantain> I certainly have the files there, I can go in and play them with timidity 07:34:09 <Harlequin> well where in the blue heck Pacman put those god**** OpenMSX files 07:34:24 *** JVassie_ [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 07:34:27 <Mazur> And you access therm with the same userid as you play ottd? 07:34:29 <plantain> and openttd finds both the openmsx files and my original ttd files 07:34:30 <Yexo> /usr/share/games/openttd ? 07:34:55 <Mazur> /usr/share/games/openttd/gm/ 07:35:14 <Harlequin> except for games folder 07:35:15 *** Donno [~Donno@ppp118-210-142-87.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 07:35:24 <Mazur> Indeed. 07:36:07 <Harlequin> I'm wondering 07:36:22 *** amalloy1 [~Alan@c-67-180-16-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 07:36:28 <Harlequin> no_music.obm orig_win.obm 07:37:12 *** amalloy [~Alan@c-67-180-16-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:37:12 <planetmaker> <Mazur> pm: They might have not been installed properly, files allocated, but not filled? <-- exactly then md5sums don't match 07:38:15 <Harlequin> i wonder now where the music is 07:38:16 <Harlequin> >< 07:38:48 <plantain> I have mine in /usr/share/games/openttd/gm/openmsx-0.2.1 07:38:51 <Mazur> Either /usr/share/openttd/gm or ~/.openttd/gm/ 07:38:58 <Harlequin> ain't there 07:39:15 <Harlequin> Content downloader says it's downloaded 07:39:17 <Harlequin> but ain't 07:39:38 <plantain> if you download it with the content downloader it goes to ~/.openttd/ 07:39:45 <planetmaker> it's in ~/.openttd/content_download/gm 07:39:55 <Mazur> Or that one. 07:40:00 <planetmaker> reading the readme is quite enlightening. 07:40:26 <Mazur> Reading instruction manuals is for girls. 07:40:30 <Mazur> ;-P 07:41:14 <Mazur> find / -name gm_tt00.gm -print 07:41:32 <Mazur> That should find them. 07:41:41 <planetmaker> not OpenMSX 07:41:45 <Yexo> openmfx is probably downloaded as a tar 07:41:52 <Harlequin> found it 07:42:01 <Harlequin> fukitol 07:42:51 <Mazur> Realised what the problem is? 07:43:10 <Harlequin> nah.. closed task manager 07:43:47 <Harlequin> aandddddd..... ain't working 07:48:56 <Harlequin> so timidity output ain't nice 07:49:33 <Harlequin> No instrument mapped to tone bank 0, program 1 - this instrument will not be heard 07:49:33 <Harlequin> etc. 07:55:01 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 07:55:34 <Sacro> Harlequin: done the config for timidity? 07:56:01 <Harlequin> what is to be configured? 07:56:09 *** sunkan [~Tarquin@90-224-108-233-no110.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 07:56:28 <Sacro> i install timidity-freepats from AUR and then copy the timidity-freepats.cfg to timidity.cfg 07:56:36 <Harlequin> I'm on arch wiki looking for some soundfonts and freepats 07:56:39 <Sacro> but then if you can run it direct... 07:56:43 <Sacro> freepats is in AUR 07:57:03 <Sacro> or was... 07:57:33 <Sacro> oh, it's in community now, timidity-freepats 07:57:58 <Harlequin> I'm downloading them atm 07:57:58 *** Harlequin [~kvirc@77.236.210.166] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:58:56 *** Harlequin [~kvirc@77.236.210.166] has joined #openttd 07:59:04 <Harlequin> sorry had problem with connection 08:01:37 <Sacro> s'ok 08:02:18 <Harlequin> timidity plays everything just fine 08:02:33 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:03:25 <Harlequin> ok problem was in missing pats 08:09:30 <Sacro> heh 08:09:54 <peter1138> timidity-missingpats 08:10:08 <peter1138> you'd've thought that someone else might've taken up the ball on that, since 2006... 08:10:14 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 08:11:16 <Harlequin> you know.. it's because humans are quite lazy lot 08:13:36 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:16:17 <peter1138> it's the fabled "somebody else" :) 08:17:06 <Harlequin> to hell with "somebody else" people need stop bein lazy and try themselves 08:19:37 <peter1138> go on then :) 08:20:05 <Harlequin> We're now entering hell, please keep your hands and elbows inside the train 08:20:17 <Rubidium> sorry, but it's a boat 08:20:41 <Harlequin> depends on hell you enter 08:21:47 *** amalloy1 [~Alan@c-67-180-16-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has left #openttd [] 08:22:14 <Harlequin> remembers me of one joke 08:29:10 *** ptr [~peter@p223-n251.kthopen.kth.se] has joined #openttd 08:31:28 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@c122-108-245-233.kelvn3.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:31:45 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:44:08 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:44:30 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 08:58:21 *** Turgid_ [~DFwiki@ip70-176-132-25.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #openttd 08:58:21 *** Turgid [~DFwiki@ip70-176-132-25.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:58:23 *** Turgid_ is now known as Turgid 09:00:08 *** NoobCp [~kvirc@4.63.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 09:13:33 *** Splex_ [~splex@n219078149145.netvigator.com] has joined #openttd 09:23:51 *** jpm [~pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:36:27 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8ddff.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 09:42:01 *** ecke_ [~ecke@pc154-196.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 09:44:03 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 09:46:10 *** ecke_ [~ecke@pc154-196.upce.cz] has quit [] 09:48:57 *** ptr [~peter@p223-n251.kthopen.kth.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 09:57:09 *** amalloy1 [~Alan@c-67-180-16-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 09:57:47 *** Splex_ [~splex@n219078149145.netvigator.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:57:51 *** Splex [~splex@n219078149145.netvigator.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:58:07 *** Splex [~splex@n219078149145.netvigator.com] has joined #openttd 09:58:26 <amalloy1> is it all right if i ask.....why my steel mill, playing PBI, should have a stockpile of 600 each coal/iron, and only produce 96 steel/month? i'm not transporting any of it yet, but the stockpile is getting too full to deliver 09:59:24 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FEB7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:59:59 *** heffer [~felix@mue-88-130-99-188.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #openttd 10:00:44 *** Donno [~Donno@ppp118-210-142-87.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has left #openttd [Leaving] 10:02:48 *** SekiSelu [~Seki@c-71-237-70-85.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:05:08 *** SekiSelu [~Seki@c-71-237-70-85.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 10:07:21 *** Splex [~splex@n219078149145.netvigator.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:07:49 *** Splex [~splex@n219078149145.netvigator.com] has joined #openttd 10:08:32 *** Adambean [~AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 10:08:36 *** NoobCp [~kvirc@4.63.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:23:01 *** Splex [~splex@n219078149145.netvigator.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:23:21 *** Splex [~splex@n219078149145.netvigator.com] has joined #openttd 10:27:00 *** woldemar [~woldemar@213.178.34.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:29:38 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-148-157.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:31:50 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-16-78.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 10:31:53 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:36:47 *** woldemar [~woldemar@213.178.34.57] has joined #openttd 10:40:22 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 10:50:33 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.0.11.24] has joined #openttd 11:00:06 *** fjb is now known as Guest635 11:00:06 *** Guest635 [~frank@p5485FEB7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:00:07 *** fjb [~frank@p5485BCA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:02:44 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has joined #openttd 11:03:13 <DanMacK> Hello all 11:06:28 *** ptr [~peter@p223-n251.kthopen.kth.se] has joined #openttd 11:06:39 <planetmaker> Hello DanMacK :-) 11:09:16 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/attachments/download/668/ogfxplus-nightly.tar <-- I got some turbo train with livery override for you :-) 11:13:03 <DanMacK> Oooooh, exciting :D 11:15:36 <planetmaker> I haven't quite checked how the mail one looks like (will do that tonight), but I *think* that is fine, too. 11:16:17 *** fjb [~frank@p5485BCA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:17:37 <amalloy1> anyone know where i can find the max production values for secondary/tertiary industries in pbi? my steel mill and factory seem to stockpile loads of materials but produce hardly any outputs 11:18:21 *** fjb [~frank@p5485BCA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:18:26 <Eddi|zuHause> amalloy1: have you tried actually carrying the secondary cargo away? 11:18:41 <amalloy1> for the steel mill, yes. haven't got round to the factory yet 11:19:05 <Pikka> amalloy1: from me. and yes, the production level won't go above low if there was no cargo transported away the previous month. 11:19:25 <amalloy1> ahhh, interesting. thanks! 11:19:48 <amalloy1> and now that i look back, i see that after a few months/years went by the steel mill started producing more 11:20:26 <Pikka> not much point them working hard to produce stuff no-one wants, after all ;) 11:21:22 <Eddi|zuHause> Pikka: why does brick chain not work in arctic? 11:21:25 <amalloy1> yes, i thought about that, but since they were producing *something* i assumed that mechanic wasn't implemented. it never occurred to me that they'd produce some but not lots 11:21:44 <Pikka> because the grf tells it not to, eddi. 11:22:08 <Pikka> amalloy: if they produced nothing, they wouldn't know when someone tried to transport stuff 11:22:21 *** DDR [~chatzilla@66.183.125.196] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:22:49 <Pikka> same reason the variable output on the sawmill, say, never produces 100% of one cargo and 0 of the other. 11:23:05 <Eddi|zuHause> Pikka: i was trying to play PBI with hacked Alpine, but without brick chain it's only half the fun... 11:23:12 <amalloy1> bah. *handwaves away necessary but undesirable implementation details* 11:23:24 *** SekiSelu [~Seki@c-71-237-70-85.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:24:02 *** SekiSelu [~Seki@c-71-237-70-85.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 11:25:56 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest636 11:25:57 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 11:26:35 <amalloy1> lol, pikka, it jumped from 270 goods to 1250! i guess i need more trains now 11:26:53 <Eddi|zuHause> Pikka: i was mainly asking whether there was a particular technical reason to not allow it, other than not-drawn snowy versions 11:27:22 <Pikka> nope, not at all eddi 11:28:20 <Pikka> remove sprite #1 and it should work just fine :P 11:28:53 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, i can find the check, but i wouldn't know if it caused any harm to gameplay 11:30:14 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19680 /trunk/src/network/network_client.cpp: -Fix [FS#3775] (r19648): when joining a MP game all clients with company ID > 0 would be shown as if they were a spectator 11:33:38 *** Guest636 [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:34:24 *** SekiSelu [~Seki@c-71-237-70-85.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 11:34:51 *** SekiSelu [~Seki@c-71-237-70-85.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 11:36:19 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.202] has joined #openttd 11:41:04 <Eddi|zuHause> what are the pressing reasons against applying the newgrf gui patch? 11:41:39 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, non. It's just not up to date. As far as I understood 11:41:54 <planetmaker> Blame me, if you like that I didn't find time in December / January to update it. 11:42:17 <planetmaker> (I got an official request to do so :-( ) 11:43:09 *** TB [~patric@145.118.72.132] has joined #openttd 11:44:10 *** TrueBrain [~patric@145.118.72.132] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:44:50 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D9486.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:44:52 * Ammler blames planetmaker 11:45:24 <planetmaker> :-( 11:45:31 <planetmaker> I was working on OpenGFX! 11:45:37 <planetmaker> :-) 11:45:50 <Ammler> no excuse! 11:46:01 <planetmaker> darn 11:46:03 <Ammler> well, maybe a bit :-P 11:51:49 *** TB is now known as TrueBrain 11:57:40 *** heffer [~felix@mue-88-130-99-188.dsl.tropolys.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 12:00:02 *** TrueBrain [~patric@145.118.72.132] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:04:36 *** TrueBrain [~patric@145.118.72.132] has joined #openttd 12:11:59 *** TrueBrain [~patric@145.118.72.132] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:12:06 *** TrueBrain [~patric@145.118.72.132] has joined #openttd 12:14:59 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@client-86-23-33-247.brhm.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 12:16:25 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 12:17:50 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:ec74:17fe:1d7c:b36d] has joined #openttd 12:17:53 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:20:16 *** michi_cc [~michi@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Quit: michi_cc] 12:23:30 *** Cadde [Cadde@c83-249-114-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:24:00 *** Cadde [Cadde@c83-249-114-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 12:24:54 *** Adambean [~AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:24:58 *** Adambean [adam@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 12:26:09 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-188-100-215-004.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:28:56 *** mecool [mecool@94.129.166.77] has joined #openttd 12:45:01 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B7484A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:49:08 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B776DE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:49:43 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 12:51:40 *** heffer [~felix@mue-88-130-99-188.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #openttd 12:52:52 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 12:58:48 *** SekiSelu [~Seki@c-71-237-70-85.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:12:17 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:15:13 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@ip-24-139-106-77.eidsiva.net] has joined #openttd 13:16:04 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@ip-24-139-106-77.eidsiva.net] has quit [] 13:16:29 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:17:03 *** Jhs [~Jhs4@200.80-202-26.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 13:23:48 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:31:21 <Belugas> hello 13:31:35 <Pikka> hello Belugas 13:31:52 <Belugas> how's life sir? 13:32:36 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 13:32:43 <Pikka> 6 of one and half a dozen of the other. 13:33:03 <ccfreak2k> Is this Cheers now? 13:33:07 <ccfreak2k> Is Pikka playing the part of Norm? 13:33:12 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:33:20 <Pikka> and if so, who's playing the rest of him? 13:33:31 <Pikka> (ho ho, the goon show joke). 13:34:03 <Belugas> the one who does 13:34:39 <Noldo> Half-a-Bee... 13:36:23 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 13:36:40 *** SekiSelu [~Seki@c-71-237-70-85.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 13:38:20 *** xahodo [~xander@xahodo.demon.nl] has joined #openttd 13:38:28 <xahodo> Hello 13:39:27 *** Morloth [~bram@cpc1-cowc4-0-0-cust183.renf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 13:41:38 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:44:32 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has joined #openttd 13:45:04 *** Jackpoz [~Jackpoz@62.123.242.97] has joined #openttd 13:45:09 <Jackpoz> hi 13:47:41 *** sunkan [~Tarquin@90-224-108-233-no110.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.36 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 13:47:52 <Rubidium> afternoon 13:49:11 <Pikka> that's one way of looking at it, Rubidium 13:49:13 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 13:49:29 *** fjb [~frank@p5485BCA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:49:41 <Eddi|zuHause> these aussies have everything turned upside down... 13:49:44 <Eddi|zuHause> day/night 13:49:47 <Eddi|zuHause> summer/winter 13:49:52 <Eddi|zuHause> up/down 13:50:00 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:50:03 <Eddi|zuHause> left/right 13:50:10 <SmatZ> good/bad 13:50:19 <Eddi|zuHause> [as in turning direction of vortexes] 13:50:40 <Rubidium> Pikka: it's 11:50pm there now, right? 13:50:47 <Rubidium> that's after noon, right? 13:51:19 <Rubidium> the whole "pm" part of the time already says it 13:51:48 *** james [~james@host86-167-101-247.range86-167.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 13:52:20 <Cadde> Just you wait when the magnetic poles reverse... 13:52:27 *** james is now known as Guest651 13:52:28 <Eddi|zuHause> see... even their clocks don't have 24 hours... 13:53:15 *** heffer [~felix@mue-88-130-99-188.dsl.tropolys.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 13:54:00 <Pikka> our clocks have 8 hours 13:54:04 <Pikka> the rest is beer o'clock 13:55:07 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 13:56:22 *** Splex [~splex@n219078149145.netvigator.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:59:07 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-hkibrasgw1-ff1ec000-127.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:02:25 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:04:47 * Belugas love that country... 14:04:57 <Belugas> +s 14:05:40 <Eddi|zuHause> then why aren't you there yet? :p 14:06:17 <Belugas> i snore when i drink, my wife hates that. therefor, i try to avoid temptation 14:07:50 <peter1138> hmm, beer 14:10:17 *** Guest651 [~james@host86-167-101-247.range86-167.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:11:07 <Belugas> mmh... calories... 14:12:58 <peter1138> quite :s 14:13:08 <Belugas> life is a bitch, isn't it? 14:13:32 <Belugas> like... home made fresh bread out of the oven... with butter! 14:13:47 <Belugas> naaaa.... too many freaking calories etc... 14:13:48 <Belugas> blaaaa 14:13:49 <peter1138> SHT UP 14:13:52 <Belugas> lol! 14:13:53 * peter1138 sobs 14:15:04 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-242-098.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 14:15:07 <Belugas> yeah... me too... don't worry 14:15:36 * Belugas takes a sip of his coffee and tries to disolve these images in music 14:17:10 *** arneke [~ak@c-85b5e555.016-131-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 14:17:26 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.2.72] has joined #openttd 14:18:55 <arneke> Hi, just in relation to a general discussion about open source projects, is there any funding / commercial interest behind OpenTTD ? 14:19:14 <Yexo> nope 14:19:41 <arneke> (sorry, must have entered the nick in the wrong field) 14:20:00 <arneke> Yexo: and it has been going since 2005 ? 14:20:06 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 14:20:18 <Yexo> even earlier I think, not sure when it started exactly 14:20:41 <arneke> ah right, there's a reference to 2002 and the Euro on the About page 14:20:52 <arneke> thanks,,, that's enough ammo to refute the working hypothesis 14:21:34 <Yexo> the 2002 euro introduction on the about page on the wiki is about the in-game year 2002 14:21:49 <Yexo> and if I may ask, which working hypothesis? 14:22:24 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F95F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:22:43 <arneke> I should have explained more: The statement was that all successful open source projects do have funding or commercial interest behind them, that "love" is not enough 14:23:45 <peter1138> that statement is blatantly false 14:23:48 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:24:20 <arneke> peter1138: it's paraphrased, there were a few things about size and time running 14:24:30 <arneke> peter1138: other examples 14:24:37 <arneke> ? 14:25:21 <Yexo> I think it's probably the other way around: most (not all) successfull large open source projects will be commercially interesting and thus get funding one way or another 14:26:34 *** TrueBrain [~patric@145.118.72.132] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:26:46 <Belugas> at the root, open projects are done out of the free work of passion 14:26:47 <Belugas> i think 14:26:55 <arneke> agreed, and I can attest to a feeling of bad taste when you know someone else is going to charge money for the bug you are fixing for them 14:27:22 <ccfreak2k> Some of us don't care about that. 14:27:30 <arneke> Belugas: that I dont agree with,,, my little toy (geowebcache.org) was an assignment initially 14:27:33 <ccfreak2k> That's what the BSD three-clause license is for. 14:28:00 <Yexo> arneke: yes, "initially", and now? 14:28:29 <arneke> Yexo: now it's hard to let go ;) 14:28:32 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F95F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:28:48 <arneke> ccfreak2k: more cred to you ;) 14:28:52 <arneke> anyway,,, more concrete examples 14:28:58 <arneke> like OpenTTD would be great 14:29:16 <arneke> but it's just for a mailinglist discussion anyway 14:29:17 *** james_ [~james@host86-167-101-247.range86-167.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:29:28 <peter1138> why should we be doing your research? :p 14:29:55 <arneke> peter1138: why should you be writing the game I play ;) 14:30:08 <peter1138> because i enjoy it 14:30:36 <arneke> I didnt really come here to ask you to do research, I just wanted to confirm that it's not a testing ground for the game engine for another game, or anything like that 14:31:12 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:31:18 <arneke> and I appreciate the feedback I've already gotten, so thanks :) 14:31:18 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-242-098.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:31:22 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 14:31:28 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-242-098.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 14:31:38 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 14:33:25 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA515.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:34:37 *** TrueBrain [~patric@145.118.72.132] has joined #openttd 14:36:54 <Belugas> my very first interest of the game was about : "here's a game where source code is available. How does it look like?". Then is was... "how can I add more value to it, as a thank you gesture for all the good moments i had" and then... "how the hell can I add the newhouses stuff" (which i started but got stopped and finally maedhros did it)... blablabla 14:37:39 <Belugas> i see no commercial reason behinds that. nor forced assigment. as peter1138 said "because i enjoy it" 14:37:55 <Belugas> -y+ied in my case... for some reasons 14:41:21 <peter1138> hey Pikka, i have a patch (and newgrf) to disable railtypes ;) 14:42:04 *** KloBass [~hadameko@193.179.62.1] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:43:00 <Pikka> oh noes! 14:44:20 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:44:28 <Eddi|zuHause> hooo... he-who-has-a-patch has a patch, very surprising! :p 14:44:39 <peter1138> also the skin at the end of my thumb and index finger is peeling off :s 14:45:48 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 14:46:36 <Belugas> slap bass player injury! 14:46:42 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:46:58 <Belugas> or... sun-burn on fingers :S 14:47:29 <Mazur> Or ... blinding friction burns? 14:48:13 <Mazur> They alledge it's a common malady among geeks. ;-) 14:48:49 <peter1138> heat related i think 14:49:02 <peter1138> i was sanding something down and the paper got quite hot 14:51:12 *** ptr [~peter@p223-n251.kthopen.kth.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 14:55:47 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F95F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:55:53 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-213-34-232-56.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #openttd 14:56:18 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:56:26 <Cadde> My belief is that people do this for the love of the original game. It's like "Hmm, what if i could just do this little thing in TTD" and then something small starts and gets released to the public. Then another guy adds something else and in the spirit of sharing it gets shared. So in a sense, people do things in ottd because they want stuff and once done they enjoy sharing it with others in case they would enjoy it too. 14:57:07 <Cadde> However there are those who take pleasure in helping others get something they want too 14:57:15 <Cadde> So don't get me wrong on that point. 14:58:44 <Eddi|zuHause> but do not forget that the commercial success of TT(D) is what fueled the project in the first place 14:58:53 <Cadde> For example, if someone where to ask me personally if i could compile patches XYZ into a pack i would do so without hesitation since i know how cumbersome it is to set up SVN, Environment, Working out the kinks and so on. If they enjoy it i feel good as i have given something back to all that have given to me and i have made someone happy which is by far good enough for me. 14:59:14 <Eddi|zuHause> because of that success, there was a critical mass of people 14:59:38 <Cadde> Eddi|zuHause: Yeah, like i said. For the love of the original game. 15:00:26 <Cadde> I keep telling developers that among the most important features of new games today is the ability to customize it or remodel it to something else. 15:00:36 <Cadde> That means SDK's and tools. 15:00:54 <Eddi|zuHause> Civ IV is a great example of that ;) 15:01:21 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F95F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:02:14 * andythenorth has an SDK: svn, textwrangler, GCC and make 15:02:27 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F95F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:02:52 <Cadde> just look at Counter Strike. It really is crap but people are still playing it because there where tools made available to the community and the community knows what the community wants. No developer can ever match the sheer volume of input that a community can deliver because developers have deadlines. aftermarket projects tend to follow the "It's done when it's done" mentality and they tend to make stuff work well. 15:04:46 <arneke> Cadde: sure, but for a commercial game studio that's not really interesting. They want you to play for two months and then buy the sequel. And with the focus on online games I suspect they will succeed, cause there's nobody to play against if you break out a 2 year old game 15:04:52 <Rubidium> and for OpenTTD not promising features helps too :) 15:05:00 <arneke> WoW could be really a lot more interesting though ;) 15:05:24 <Rubidium> heh, we want people to play our sequels too 15:05:46 *** james_ [~james@host86-167-101-247.range86-167.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:06:10 <Cadde> I play EvE online and the reason i am still playing is because i feel that the developers are keeping a close eye on what the community wants as a whole. They release a new expansion every 5 - 6 months free of charge. 15:06:14 <arneke> yeah, I am not really trying to argue against that, just that I am not sure counter strike was a huge success, if measure by commercial goals 15:06:44 <Noldo> Cadde: well, free of extra charge 15:06:56 <arneke> Cadde: That follows the WoW model, where I do think SDKs can make sense 15:07:00 <Cadde> arneke: CS wasn't commercial in the beginning and it isn't really commercial today either. It just sells as a separate source engine package thats all. 15:07:40 <arneke> Cadde: fair enough, but it was value added for Half Life 2, and important for the long tail of that game 15:07:45 <Cadde> Noldo: Yeah, ofc you pay for server access and to me, it's a pretty fair price to play with 50,000 other players on ONE cluster. 15:08:14 <arneke> I still think a commercial metric applies, but it's not that important 15:09:13 *** mecool [mecool@94.129.166.77] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:09:23 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F95F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:10:26 <Eddi|zuHause> arneke: there are more commercial metrics than "short term income", but people tend to forget that 15:11:58 *** lewymati [~lewymati@89.230.159.206] has joined #openttd 15:12:31 <arneke> Eddi|zuHause: sure, starting a legacy or getting Steam installed on x million computers is crucial too 15:14:28 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F95F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:16:03 *** NCommander [~mcasadeva@cpe-74-74-175-159.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Changing server] 15:16:37 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:16:45 *** james_ [~james@host86-167-101-247.range86-167.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:19:05 <james_> IDENTIFY james 15:20:58 <planetmaker> how creative your password is... 15:20:59 <Eddi|zuHause> i really hope "james" is not your password 15:21:08 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-16-78.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:21:18 <Eddi|zuHause> but i tend to be a very naive person :p 15:21:24 <planetmaker> :-P 15:22:30 <james_> I'm new to IRC 15:22:56 <planetmaker> ah, that explains bad passwords :-P 15:23:14 <james_> I thought it was a name 15:23:16 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-163-229.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 15:23:19 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 15:23:20 <james_> I don't have a paassword 15:24:56 *** james_ is now known as James 15:25:28 *** James is now known as Guest663 15:25:50 <Guest663> Now I need to think up a nickname 15:29:21 *** NoobCp [~kvirc@4.63.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 15:35:01 *** woldemar [~woldemar@213.178.34.57] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:35:32 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F95F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:36:13 <Cadde> Nah, your nick is your name 15:36:39 <planetmaker> Guest663, "James" is probably taken or registered. 15:36:50 <Cadde> Nickserv is just there to make sure no-one else is using your name 15:37:44 <Cadde> Hence Nickserv Identify <password> 15:42:58 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@c122-108-245-233.kelvn3.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 15:43:05 *** fjb [~frank@p5485AF84.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:47:30 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 15:49:10 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:49:35 *** fjb [~frank@p5485AF84.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:50:26 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 15:51:53 *** plantain_ [~plantain@115.42.20.30] has joined #openttd 15:51:54 *** plantain [~plantain@115.42.20.30] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:56:46 *** ianbl [~ianbl@CPE00240168ac6d-CM001692fa1690.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 15:57:14 *** Jackpoz [~Jackpoz@62.123.242.97] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539]] 16:01:53 *** sulai [~chatzilla@p5B2B77E8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:01:58 <sulai> Hi there 16:03:02 <sulai> just wanted to mention: since there are no releases on sourceForge anymore, there is no version history available for OTTD. Which is sad =( 16:04:00 <sulai> for example, I can't get the official binaries for ottd 0.7.4 anymore. 16:05:08 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.2.72] has quit [] 16:05:37 <glx> you can 16:05:47 <SpComb> http://ftp.snt.utwente.nl/pub/games/openttd/binaries/releases/0.7.4/index.html 16:06:17 <glx> better use http://binaries.openttd.org/releases/0.7.4 16:06:18 <SpComb> or more accurately, http://binaries.openttd.org/releases/0.7.4/index.html 16:06:19 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19681 /extra/website/security/ (7 files in 2 dirs): [Website] -Change: the model to store the security information 16:06:32 <SpComb> glx: you have to write that in manually :( 16:08:19 *** Zorni [~zorn@e177231000.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:10:19 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BC02.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:11:47 *** Zorn [~zorn@e177231000.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:12:15 *** Mazur [~Lokimaros@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Goin to Home Depot] 16:12:48 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.14.194] has joined #openttd 16:14:49 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 16:15:39 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has joined #openttd 16:15:43 *** Mazur [~Lokimaros@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:16:38 <Ammler> maybe you should also upload a "visit_our_website_for_older_versions.txt" to sf.net :-) 16:18:17 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:18:59 *** Mazur [~Lokimaros@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Goin to Home Depot] 16:19:11 *** Mazur [~Lokimaros@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:20:02 <Mazur> Hm, looks like SSL didn't work for me. 16:20:19 <Mazur> Or am I looking skewed? 16:20:44 <sulai> oh thanks for the binaries :) 16:20:46 <sulai> would be nice if there was a link like "download old binaries" on the ottd website :) 16:21:48 *** sulai [~chatzilla@p5B2B77E8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539]] 16:22:01 <xahodo> Is sourceforge still being used for anything openttd at all? 16:22:33 <xahodo> I thought the project page on SF was abandoned ages ago. 16:22:51 <Ammler> since 0.6 aroundish 16:24:19 <xahodo> Why hasn't it been taken down yet? 16:25:06 <OwenS> xahodo: Ever tried to close a source forge project? 16:25:09 <OwenS> Its not possible 16:26:36 <Eddi|zuHause> Mazur: doesn't look like you're using SSL... 16:27:46 <Mazur> Eddi|zuHause: Thanks, so now all I have to figure out is, what filed. 16:27:51 <Mazur> failed. 16:28:06 *** Mazur [~Lokimaros@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Goin to Home Depot] 16:28:56 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: ecke] 16:34:27 * OwenS wonders why ChillCore has gone through his patch changing all instances of if (x)\n y(); to if (x) {\n y(); \n} 16:35:02 <Eddi|zuHause> because he misread the code style? 16:35:09 <OwenS> Probably 16:35:32 <Eddi|zuHause> code style allows "if (x) y();" but not "if (x)\n y();" 16:36:08 <OwenS> OK, then I'll change to that, since all those braces are just ugly 16:36:21 <OwenS> (I don't understand why one would chose to do so though..) 16:36:51 <Eddi|zuHause> if you have an else, you must use {} 16:37:01 <OwenS> That fits my coding style too 16:37:04 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 16:37:07 <OwenS> (And yes I've heard the "You'll forget to put braces in if you expand it" line and I don't buy it) 16:37:44 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:38:15 <Noldo> you'll notice it of you forget 16:38:45 <OwenS> I've been programming for years and never made that error... 16:38:47 <Eddi|zuHause> dangling elses may be a mess 16:39:25 <OwenS> Of course. I always use braces when dealing with elses (Except for in cases like "} else return false;") 16:41:27 *** Mazur [~Lokimaros@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:41:52 *** Mazur [~Lokimaros@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has quit [] 16:42:05 *** Mazur [~Lokimaros@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:43:11 *** Mazur [~Lokimaros@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has left #openttd [] 16:47:42 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 16:50:40 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f5c17.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:51:15 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@client-86-23-33-247.brhm.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: IRC is just multiplayer notepad] 16:53:42 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: that case is not allowed in openttd 16:53:54 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: and I haven't used it 16:54:29 <Eddi|zuHause> ... just wanted to mention ;) 16:55:22 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 17:02:08 *** Mazur [~Lokimaros@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:03:00 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:03:03 <Mazur> Hm, seems like xchat only talks SSL3, and the server SSL2. 17:04:42 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe you need a network support channel instead... 17:05:06 <Eddi|zuHause> typically those are called #help or #<your-current-network> 17:05:57 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 17:05:57 <Mazur> If I wanted to pursue this, yeah. I was merely musing, regarding my previous remarks. 17:06:13 *** nighthawk_c_m [~nighthawk@pD9507431.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:06:48 <Yexo> * OwenS wonders why ChillCore has gone through his patch changing all instances of if (x)\n y(); to if (x) {\n y(); \n} <- I'm more wondering why he changes things like initial loan for easy difficulty setting 17:06:59 <OwenS> Heh 17:07:53 <Yexo> or why he removes empty lines in random places and adds them in other places 17:08:29 <nighthawk_c_m> Probably copyright reasons - change something and it isn't what it formerly was :-P 17:08:32 <Yexo> or why he comments out some asserts instead of fixing them (if they need changing) 17:08:52 <nighthawk_c_m> Maybe he didn't have timne yet and marked those for himself to remember? 17:09:07 <Yexo> no 17:09:35 <Yexo> + /* commented out to allow smaller maps than 256 * 256, while TGP_FREQUENCY_MAX is set to 8 or higher. 17:09:39 <Yexo> + * Read IMPORTANT NOTICE above near TGP_FREQUENCY_MAX declaration (this file: line 200 something) */ 17:09:50 <Yexo> that reads like he thinks it's "fixed" this way 17:10:50 <Yexo> or why he's reinventing Clamp/Max/Min 17:10:55 *** MazurHadr [~Lokimaros@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:11:06 *** MazurHadr [~Lokimaros@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has left #openttd [] 17:11:48 <Yexo> ^^ lots of things to wonder about that in that patch 17:12:39 <OwenS> I presume you refer to his patch pack? 17:12:54 <Yexo> no, to the more heigh levels patch 17:12:58 <OwenS> Aah 17:13:11 <Rubidium> Yexo: do you look at the patch like... "hmm, what's this, and what's this... okay, lots of WTFs... don't care"? 17:13:13 <OwenS> In my case, he submitted in"corrections" to ProgSigs 17:13:27 <Yexo> Rubidium: yes 17:16:28 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-24-139-106-77.eidsiva.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:20:58 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:21:12 *** Mazur [~Lokimaros@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Goin to Home Depot] 17:21:24 *** Mazur [~Lokimaros@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:21:59 *** Mazur [~Lokimaros@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has quit [] 17:22:11 *** Mazur [~Lokimaros@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:22:40 *** Mazur [~Lokimaros@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has quit [] 17:30:03 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:30:03 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:30:19 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:34:00 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 17:36:17 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 17:36:21 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 17:44:56 *** Arthur_ [~chatzilla@p5B2F5B9F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:45:04 <Arthur_> hello 17:45:17 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: translators * r19682 /trunk/src/lang/unfinished/irish.txt: 17:45:17 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:17 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: irish - 26 changes by Nalum 17:46:11 <Arthur_> how can i contact a Dev-Team-Member? 17:46:26 <Eddi|zuHause> by writing your question here. 17:46:58 <Yexo> Arthur_: ok, you've now had contact. Was that all? 17:47:58 <Arthur_> i am programming, and i use a iso-tile, i want to know what is the fastet way to sort the deph in iso from mobil units 17:48:00 <Arthur_> ? 17:48:35 <Yexo> I really don't have a clue about that 17:48:40 <Terkhen> me neither 17:48:55 <Arthur_> :( 17:49:09 <Arthur_> to sort the howl unit list is to slow 17:49:18 <Arthur_> i think 17:49:24 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: smatz * r19683 /trunk/src/road_type.h: -Fix (r19654): towns with 3x3 and 2x2 road layouts couldn't expand 17:50:02 <Arthur_> howl = whol ^^ 17:50:09 <Yexo> I think openttd uses a hashtable from tile to vehicle, so it only checks vehicles that are on visible tiles 17:50:27 <frosch123> ottd hashes the screen position of vehicles for that 17:50:59 <Arthur_> aso 17:51:10 <frosch123> sorting of the vehicles left after clamping to viewport is slow though 17:51:49 <Arthur_> yes i think so 17:52:16 <frosch123> n^2 actually 17:54:03 <Arthur_> mhh ok thank you 17:54:07 *** xahodo [~xander@xahodo.demon.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:54:40 <Eddi|zuHause> so that's what's slow when zooming out very far? 17:54:42 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@c122-108-245-233.kelvn3.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 17:54:48 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: ptr] 17:55:02 <Arthur_> i dont have any experience with iso programming :) 17:55:20 <Arthur_> so thanks^^ 17:56:21 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: and that you draw a hillarious number of sprites which mostly only cover some pixels 18:02:22 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: yexo * r19684 /trunk/src/misc_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#3779]: don't show an error message when trying to give another client an amount of 0 money 18:03:42 *** arneke [~ak@c-85b5e555.016-131-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has left #openttd [] 18:04:11 *** jpx_ [jpx_@e83-245-138-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 18:05:11 *** Splex [~splex@n219078149145.netvigator.com] has joined #openttd 18:05:49 <Arthur_> i have a qestion, when i take Sharesvrom other company it kost? becouse i have buyed in a past game the whole enemys and it doesnt cost? 18:06:07 <Arthur_> Sharesvrom = Shares from 18:07:15 <Noldo> it costs 18:08:04 <Arthur_> mhh ok i ask my why it doesnt cost in my past game :( i must look again, thanks 18:09:06 <Rubidium> because you bought an utterly bankrupt company and unbeknownst to you you took over their loan 18:10:19 <Arthur_> oh^^ aso ok, mhh yes the SimpleAI is realy bad ^^ 18:10:22 *** Mazur [~Lokimaros@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 18:16:59 <Eddi|zuHause> SimpleAI was supposed to mimic the original AI 18:18:05 <Arthur_> yes but if i have 3 enemys, 2 of them goes to bankrupt 18:18:09 *** Mazur [~Lokimaros@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Goin to Home Depot] 18:18:33 <Arthur_> and i desn't change the ai options 18:18:44 <frosch123> SimpleAI was supposed to mimic the original AI 18:20:30 <Arthur_> yes read it allready^^ i only say it, ... its the mest tycoon simulator i ever seen, Open TTD. 18:20:55 <Arthur_> mest = best^^ 18:21:58 <Arthur_> I should not complain, you are rigt 18:23:59 <Eddi|zuHause> well, what frosch123 meant was: the original AI did go bankrupt two out of three times, so SimpleAI perfectly met its design goal :p 18:24:52 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc237c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:25:17 <Arthur_> hehe^^ 18:25:55 <Arthur_> mhh its long time ago i played the original^^ 18:26:10 *** Uresu [~Wes@81.171.145.94] has joined #openttd 18:28:33 <Arthur_> Does "Chris Sawyer" still programming? 18:30:48 <KenjiE20> who knows... we can live in hope though :) 18:31:01 <Arthur_> ^^ yes he sould make a new TT ^^ 18:31:23 <Arthur_> in 3D :) 18:32:08 <nighthawk_c_m> Nah, I prefer the 2d version - its the best because the focus is on gameplay and not graphcs 18:32:41 <nighthawk_c_m> same with openttd - even so 32 bit graphics look very nice 18:33:08 <Arthur_> mmm yes but good gameplay with good graphic is better ^^ Open TTD should be go to 3D :) 18:33:09 <Rubidium> 3D, as in 2D and written in D? 18:33:10 <Eddi|zuHause> there's a filigrane balance between graphics and gameplay, unfortunately most current games overshoot the graphics part 18:34:29 * andythenorth mehs at 32bpp 18:38:58 <SpComb> boycott 32bpp 18:39:23 <Arthur_> why boycott 32bpp? 18:40:09 <Arthur_> i like it, but its still not finished :( 18:40:13 <nighthawk_c_m> well, i suppose the problem is that everything made so far is 8bpp - and now things would need to be redone in 32bpp - quite a bit of work, especially concerning the newgrf's 18:40:47 <Arthur_> aso yes 18:41:08 <Eddi|zuHause> my personal opinion is that 32bpp is a dead end, it wants to achieve something it isn't designed for 18:41:22 <Eddi|zuHause> and it's very uncoordinated 18:42:08 <Arthur_> yes its true that its uncoordinared 18:43:52 <SpComb> "Incredibly sad, it just goes to show how important good education and well maintained fences are." 18:44:28 <Terkhen> http://devs.openttd.org/~terkhen/screenshots/refit_window_WIP.png <-- what do you think of this GUI? (the subtype part of the window is intended to disappear when clicking in a cargo with no subtypes) 18:44:51 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:45:50 <SmatZ> Terkhen: it looks nice, except the word "cargo" is misused in this case :-/ 18:46:12 <SmatZ> Cargo: Gear ratio 18:46:24 <KenjiE20> ^ perhaps "Select refit type:" 18:46:36 <Terkhen> indeed, but usually it shows cargos 18:46:38 <nighthawk_c_m> Yepp, misleading - looks very good so - and in the lower one it would mean something different then gear ratio I think SmatZ 18:46:55 <Terkhen> it could change the title if it has only cargos of the special type 18:49:49 *** Mazur [~Lokimaros@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 18:50:36 *** Uresu [~Wes@81.171.145.94] has left #openttd [Konversation terminated!] 18:50:44 <nighthawk_c_m> the selct cargo subtype would need a different name - maybe something like "Select vehicle length" or "Select maximum capacity" 18:51:11 <nighthawk_c_m> And the top one as said something involving the gear Ratio thingy 18:51:36 <Yexo> nighthawk_c_m: that's not possible, it needs to be a single string 18:51:46 <Yexo> the grf defines how it uses the cargo subtype 18:52:06 <Yexo> nars uses it fore gear ratiosn, other grfs for cap/length tradeoff 18:52:15 <nighthawk_c_m> ah ok 18:52:18 <Yexo> other grfs could use it just to select a differnt livery 19:00:13 <frosch123> Terkhen: something about "Refit options" on the left, and "Variants" on the right? 19:01:12 <Pikka> why does this dialog need redoing anyway? 19:01:32 <frosch123> because there are way too much options for some sets 19:01:47 <Pikka> it's pretty straightforward at the moment. it's also nice to be able to see all the variants at once 19:02:05 <Pikka> you lose the ability to see which variants are available for which cargos by splitting it 19:02:09 <frosch123> take fish with three capacitites for 25 different cargos or so 19:02:46 <frosch123> oh, you mean adding a "(variants)" in the left column? 19:03:32 <Pikka> with Terkhen's example, you can only see the variants available for a cargo by selecting it first 19:04:46 *** Arthur_ [~chatzilla@p5B2F5B9F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539]] 19:04:53 * Pikka shrugs 19:04:56 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc237c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:05:19 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@95.169.60.60] has joined #openttd 19:05:26 <Pikka> it's not a major issue, I just don't see how it's an improvement :) 19:07:53 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-163-229.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:08:51 <frosch123> http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/HEQS.png <- take that as example :p 19:09:11 <Pikka> :P I was about to give you a similar example 19:09:27 *** Uresu [~Wes@81.171.145.94] has joined #openttd 19:09:40 <Pikka> http://www.pikkarail.com/junk/Image4231.png 19:10:06 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-9-35.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 19:10:09 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 19:10:10 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 19:10:11 <Pikka> I don't see how it's any harder to scroll down that list, find the cargo you want then select a subclass 19:10:25 <Pikka> than to click the cargo you want in a list of just the cargos, then select a subclass :P 19:11:30 <andythenorth> I think the missing link is 'type to filter' - as used to awesome effect in the newgrf window... 19:13:17 <andythenorth> also...we're sticking lipstick on a pig 19:13:36 <andythenorth> my abuse of cargo subtype refits to vary capacity being the pig in this case 19:14:19 <Pikka> I'm doing that in av8 now, if that's any consolation. :P 19:14:19 <andythenorth> :P 19:14:31 <Pikka> adding combi refits 19:14:34 <andythenorth> so the window now contains.... 19:14:51 <andythenorth> cargo + (livery + number vehicles + cargo subtype) 19:15:04 <andythenorth> wonder what the originator of cargo subtype thinks of this :P 19:15:06 <frosch123> hmm, av8 1.6 is broken in nightly 19:15:15 <Pikka> how so, frosch123? 19:15:33 <frosch123> it gets disabled due to usage of invalid id :s 19:15:46 <Pikka> how percule... D: 19:16:51 <Pikka> "make sure newgrfs can't overwrite sound effect properties from other newgrfs 19:16:53 <Pikka> I bet 19:17:03 <frosch123> rc1 works 19:17:45 <frosch123> are you doing that? 19:18:10 <Pikka> not as far as I know 19:18:15 <Pikka> I'm trying the nightly now 19:19:15 <Pikka> hmm 19:19:21 <Pikka> more information would be nice D: 19:19:42 <andythenorth> newgrf debug tools? 19:20:47 <Yexo> Pikka: sprite 95 is trying to modify sound effect 157 19:21:06 <Pikka> what 19:21:10 <Pikka> lies 19:21:11 <Yexo> while there are only 84 sound effects in your grf (157 -73 (original count) = 84) 19:21:28 <Pikka> 94 * 7 00 0C 01 01 51 08 60 19:21:29 <Pikka> 95 * 7 00 0C 01 01 52 08 60 19:21:29 <Pikka> 96 * 7 00 0C 01 01 53 08 60 19:21:52 *** Splex [~splex@n219078149145.netvigator.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:21:54 <Pikka> looks awfully like 0x52 to me 19:22:07 <Pikka> therefore, I blame OTTD :D 19:22:41 <Eddi|zuHause> it gets awfully full at times... 19:22:50 <Eddi|zuHause> (the refit window) 19:23:00 <Eddi|zuHause> i think splitting is good 19:23:01 <Yexo> Pikka: you're probably right, testing now 19:23:10 <Eddi|zuHause> same way you split station types into categories 19:24:49 <frosch123> + if (sid + numinfo - ORIGINAL_SAMPLE_COUNT >= _cur_grffile->num_sounds) { <- obiwan, right? 19:25:19 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-150-29.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:25:28 <frosch123> sid ORIGINAL_SAMPLECOUNT and numinfo = num_sounds = 0 should be fine 19:25:33 <Yexo> yes 19:25:44 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: yexo * r19685 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix (r19679): off-by-one error 19:26:11 <Yexo> numinfo == 0 should never happen i think 19:26:15 <Pikka> hmm 19:26:25 <Yexo> but sid = ORIGINAL_SMAPLECOUNT-1 and numinfo=1 is fine 19:26:30 <frosch123> second obian today :) always two they are :p 19:26:45 <Yexo> there is actually a third one in the grfmsg the line under that 19:26:51 <Yexo> didn't fix that yet, as it's the same for other types 19:27:06 <Yexo> attemtying to change %u, whre %u = sid+numinfo 19:27:18 <Yexo> but it doesn't change sid+numinfo, the highest id it changes is sid+numinfo-1 19:28:36 <frosch123> well, most important, i can continue my game now. thanks :) 19:29:00 <Terkhen> sorry, I lost my connection :/ 19:29:03 * Terkhen reads 19:30:33 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 19:31:31 <Terkhen> well, my problem with the refit window is that the list is sometimes so long that it takes too long to find what I want 19:32:12 <Terkhen> I'm open to possible solutions... I guess that filtering would also solve it 19:32:28 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 19:33:06 *** DDR [~chatzilla@66.183.125.196] has joined #openttd 19:34:14 <andythenorth> filtering improves lists where the user knows what they are looking for....and can spell :P 19:34:24 <andythenorth> long lists always have usability fail 19:34:43 <Yexo> I thought it was filtering as in a dropdown with all cargos 19:34:55 <andythenorth> I mean as in the newgrf window 19:34:59 <andythenorth> it's genius :) 19:35:20 * frosch123 wants to refit vehicles with three clicks, not by clicking a textbox or typing etc... 19:35:47 <Eddi|zuHause> it were even more genious if the filter string would get kept between two openings, or the window would get kept open after adding a grf 19:36:10 <frosch123> Terkhen: but i guess adding some hint behind the items on the left if there would be something on the right might be beneficial. similiar to "(refittable)" in the engine lists 19:36:16 <frosch123> just not "(refittable)" :p 19:36:38 * andythenorth wants fewer clicks and more typing :) 19:36:38 *** Uresu [~Wes@81.171.145.94] has left #openttd [Konversation terminated!] 19:36:45 <andythenorth> keyboard ftw 19:36:52 * andythenorth may not be a typical mac user 19:37:05 <andythenorth> full keyboard control anyone? 19:37:34 <Yexo> there was a patch someday wehre you could issue a lot of command via the console 19:37:58 <Terkhen> frosch123: that would still fail to provide information about what the subtypes do 19:38:22 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:38:22 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 19:38:23 <Terkhen> I prefer clicks myself too 19:38:42 <andythenorth> meh, rsi 19:38:45 <Terkhen> but anything without scrolling a kilometric list would do 19:39:08 <frosch123> Terkhen: i mean vehicles which offer subcargos only for some cargos 19:39:11 <andythenorth> Terkhen: I could just add more vehicles in the buy menu and consequently fewer refits :P 19:39:38 <Terkhen> andythenorth: that scroll is also long enough already :) 19:40:02 <andythenorth> we could just solve it TTD Patch style? 19:40:14 <Terkhen> frosch123: that sounds good 19:40:23 <Yexo> andythenorth: which is? 19:40:29 <andythenorth> fewer vehicle IDs 19:40:33 <andythenorth> so buy menu is shorter :P 19:41:03 <Yexo> lol 19:41:12 <Yexo> I thought it was about the refit list now 19:41:18 <andythenorth> then we can make each refit an actual vehicle....hmmm there might be a problem there actually 19:41:37 <andythenorth> I know: deprecate cargo subtype refit! 19:42:09 * Pikka refits andythenorth 19:42:17 <Yexo> can one vehicle have differnt cargo subtype refits per cargo? 19:42:22 <andythenorth> yes 19:42:36 * Terkhen forgets to list andythenorth's cargo subtypes 19:42:49 <frosch123> andythenorth: more vehicles is easier for ais though 19:43:03 <andythenorth> Yexo: it's a cb, so us twisty grf authors could invent all kinds of madness there 19:43:06 <Pikka> differnt cargo subtype refits per cargo <- you mean different subtypes for different cargos? 19:43:21 <Yexo> Pikka: yes 19:43:23 <frosch123> andythenorth: you are too late, there is already the planeset 19:43:27 <Pikka> certainment 19:43:46 <Yexo> I know the solution: disable newgrf support 19:43:51 <andythenorth> Yexo: I like that 19:43:52 <Yexo> no long vehicle lists or refit lists anymore 19:43:57 <andythenorth> it will save a lot of time and bug reports 19:44:11 <frosch123> and andy would have enough time to become mac maintainer 19:44:49 <andythenorth> or add smoke to ships 19:46:20 *** woldemar [~osaka@213.178.34.57] has joined #openttd 19:47:44 <andythenorth> Terkhen: FWIW I like your suggestion for the refit window 19:47:47 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:47:54 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:48:39 <Terkhen> I'm not sure it is the best option, though 19:52:11 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BC02.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:52:40 <andythenorth> what are your doubts? 19:52:41 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-213-34-232-56.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 19:55:02 <Terkhen> vehicles with different subtypes for each type of cargo 19:55:23 <Terkhen> I'm not sure if adding (4 subtypes) or something like that is enough 19:56:34 <frosch123> ? 19:57:10 <Terkhen> I can't think of any existing grf set that would have problems with that, though 19:57:13 <frosch123> what are you now planning? 19:57:46 <Terkhen> nothing, just wondering :P 19:58:27 *** Cadde [Cadde@c83-249-114-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [] 20:03:25 <andythenorth> Terkhen: your option makes the list cognitively easier to use, but more clicks.... 20:03:30 <andythenorth> which is the bigger evil? 20:07:01 <Terkhen> I don't mind the additional click (much better than scrolling)... I have the impression that it will fail to show some required information, but I can't think of anything specific 20:07:05 <Terkhen> perhaps I'm thinking too much :P 20:07:30 <andythenorth> you can never think too much about GUI stuff 20:09:02 <andythenorth> I like the 'filter on string' option because for people like Pikka, it's not a noticeable change. For people like me, it's 'type and 1 click'. 20:09:18 <andythenorth> It would also expose all the refit options for a cargo in a minimum of screen space 20:09:33 <andythenorth> and all refits could be browsed by scrolling an unfiltered list 20:09:44 * andythenorth photoshops 20:15:03 <Terkhen> filtering is okay when there's no good way of displaying the info, but in this case the data is clearly organized (a list of cargos, each one with a list of subtypes) 20:20:14 <andythenorth> http://tt-foundry.com/misc/refit_filter.png 20:20:35 <andythenorth> the issue is narrowing the users choice ASAP 20:20:51 <andythenorth> i.e. providing focus on only what the player needs 20:20:56 <XeryusTC> @openttd commig 19654 20:20:59 <XeryusTC> @openttd commit 19654 20:20:59 <DorpsGek> XeryusTC: Commit by frosch :: r19654 /trunk/src (24 files) (2010-04-17 13:31:41 UTC) 20:21:00 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 20:21:01 <DorpsGek> XeryusTC: -Codechange: Use Extract<> in more places. 20:21:02 <andythenorth> but also not hiding any information more windows 20:21:14 <XeryusTC> @openttd commit 19683 20:21:22 <DorpsGek> XeryusTC: Commit by smatz :: r19683 trunk/src/road_type.h (2010-04-20 17:49:11 UTC) 20:21:23 <DorpsGek> XeryusTC: -Fix (r19654): towns with 3x3 and 2x2 road layouts couldn't expand 20:25:25 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.14.194] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 20:28:59 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BC02.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:29:27 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 20:30:03 <Terkhen> that makes sense a lot of sense, but I'm still not sure that typing is the easiest way of finding what you want 20:31:23 <andythenorth> google disagrees :P 20:31:46 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:32:21 <Terkhen> as I said, filtering is fine when there's no good way of organizing the info 20:32:33 <SmatZ> filtering is slow 20:32:41 <SmatZ> when you want to refit like 20 trains 20:32:51 <SmatZ> and typing the filter string 20 times... 20:32:52 *** Harlequin [~kvirc@77.236.210.166] has quit [Quit: When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net] 20:33:29 <andythenorth> typing is faster for many people than clicking....fingers are faster than the brain/fingers target acquisition time 20:34:00 <andythenorth> if that makes any sense :P 20:34:28 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-242-098.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Something strange must have happened...] 20:34:30 <andythenorth> typing is easy, clicking accurately on things in long lists is not, might be a better way of putting it 20:34:30 <frosch123> but only if you already have the hands at the keyboard 20:34:41 <andythenorth> yup 20:35:01 <andythenorth> if we do hierarchical menus, we start hiding information 20:35:08 <andythenorth> dunno if that information is useful though 20:36:30 <Terkhen> well... the information is less clear only in the "cargos with different subtypes" case 20:36:43 <Terkhen> if you have a single cargo type or cargos without subtypes, it will use the original behaviour 20:36:54 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 20:37:17 <Terkhen> if you have a lot of cargo types but they all use similar subtypes, you can guess what they are using 20:38:15 <andythenorth> ...especially if the grf author helpfully provides that info in the buy menu text... 20:38:34 <frosch123> andythenorth: that fails for trains with different wagons 20:39:13 <andythenorth> hmm 20:41:01 <andythenorth> bah 20:44:39 * andythenorth does some stuff with hovercraft 20:45:31 <Terkhen> hmm... no nice solution :/ 20:46:16 * Terkhen will do something else while resting on this idea 20:46:39 <andythenorth> code smoke for ships? :P 20:47:22 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 20:47:41 <Pikka> andythenorth does some stuff with hovercraft <- you filthy swine, you! 20:47:46 <Terkhen> no, boring university stuff :) 20:47:47 <Pikka> good morning herr Lakie 20:48:06 <Lakie> Hi Pikka, 'tis evening here in the UK tho. 20:48:59 <Terkhen> like trying to make a stupid Qt widget resizable 20:50:06 * Lakie only briefly touched Qt... Never needed to do that 20:52:31 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [] 20:54:55 <OwenS> Terkhen: Making a Qt widge resizable? 20:55:27 <OwenS> Custom or builtin? 20:55:36 <Terkhen> to force it to change its size when you resize the MainWindow 20:55:37 <Terkhen> both 20:55:54 <OwenS> Terkhen: Put it in an appropriate container, set its size policy to "Expanding" or "Maximum" 20:56:02 <OwenS> appropriate layout** 20:56:08 <OwenS> (Suggestion: Use the UI designer) 20:56:54 *** KloBass [~hadameko@20.221.broadband4.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 20:57:12 *** KloBass [~hadameko@20.221.broadband4.iol.cz] has quit [] 20:57:28 <Terkhen> already tried that, I'm probably messing up something that stops it from working 20:58:17 *** fjb [~frank@p5485AF84.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:58:17 <OwenS> heh 20:58:55 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f5c17.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:59:15 <OwenS> Qt is remarkably flexible when you get to know it. My app has a custom titlebar widget (Its themed, so I wanted it to match, and it also allowed me to pack the menu bar into it and conserve window space) 20:59:42 <OwenS> (And said custom titlebar is pure Qt) 21:01:29 *** lewymati [~lewymati@89.230.159.206] has quit [] 21:01:29 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@80.247.163.107] has quit [Quit: Caught signal 15, Terminated] 21:02:55 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-hkibrasgw1-ff1ec000-127.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 21:04:04 *** Andel [~andel@80.247.163.103] has quit [Quit: Caught signal 15, Terminated] 21:04:41 *** Guest663 [~james@host86-167-101-247.range86-167.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:04:54 *** Andel [~andel@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 21:05:44 *** KloBass [~hadameko@20.221.broadband4.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 21:08:10 *** Yexo [~Yexo@205-89-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:08:35 *** Yexo [~Yexo@205-89-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 21:10:05 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@80.247.163.107] has joined #openttd 21:10:05 *** _Andel_ [~andel@80.247.163.103] has joined #openttd 21:15:46 *** james_ [~james@host86-167-101-247.range86-167.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:20:31 * SmatZ slaps nasm 21:20:34 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:20:53 * OwenS roots for gas 21:21:36 <SmatZ> why does it have such silly way of making symbols extern 21:21:51 * OwenS wonders what that method os 21:21:54 <SmatZ> "extern XXX; global XXX; XXX:" ... barf :-x 21:21:54 <OwenS> is** 21:22:06 *** james_ [~james@host86-167-101-247.range86-167.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:22:24 <SmatZ> so all files can't share one "header with all externs" 21:22:25 <OwenS> I would expect global to override extern :s 21:22:32 <SmatZ> yeah, but it doesn't like it :( 21:22:36 <OwenS> Just Use Gas (TM) 21:22:40 <OwenS> Or try YASM 21:22:41 <SmatZ> :) 21:22:54 <OwenS> (And thats GAS AT&T syntax ^^) 21:23:02 <SmatZ> .intel_syntax 21:23:04 <SmatZ> :) 21:23:09 <OwenS> :( 21:23:45 <OwenS> Intel syntax is why people ask why "lea eax. [ebx + ecx * edx ^^ esi]" doesn't work 21:23:58 <SmatZ> hehe 21:24:20 <OwenS> At least with Gas its the explicit-whats-allowed offset(base, index, multiplier) 21:24:36 <SmatZ> also, loading constants with gas syntax 21:24:44 <SmatZ> is very similiar to loading from address 21:24:49 <SmatZ> mov 4,eax 21:24:53 <SmatZ> mov ,eax 21:24:55 <OwenS> $constant / address 21:25:01 <SmatZ> actually, it should be movl... 21:25:05 <OwenS> (TrueBrain would probably call them offset(base, index, scale) 21:25:11 <OwenS> SmatZ: and %eax 21:25:16 <SmatZ> :-p 21:25:27 <SmatZ> yeah, I never used AT&T :) 21:25:37 *** Uresu [~Wes@81.171.145.94] has joined #openttd 21:25:43 <OwenS> lea 8(%eax, %esi, 4), %edx ftw 21:26:11 <Pikka> damn you zernebok...! *shakes fist* 21:26:31 <TrueBrain> OwenS: I call nothing 21:26:58 <OwenS> TrueBrain: I thought the modifier which controlled that addressing mode was the "SIB byte"? :p 21:27:01 <Pikka> orudge 21:27:26 *** Uresu [~Wes@81.171.145.94] has left #openttd [] 21:27:28 <SmatZ> offset(base, index, multiplier) <== doesn't prevent you wondering from 0(eax, ebx, 3) doesn't work 21:27:59 <TrueBrain> OwenS: I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, but I just disliked the fact you highlighted me 21:28:18 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Heh. I thought you would have since you wrote OpenDune's libemu 21:28:18 <SmatZ> :-( 21:28:32 <OwenS> SmatZ: true, but using shifts would just be overly confusing 21:28:52 <TrueBrain> still no clue what you are talking about :p 21:29:25 <OwenS> TrueBrain: x86 addressing 21:33:04 *** Splex [~splex@n219078149145.netvigator.com] has joined #openttd 21:37:29 *** nighthawk_c_m [~nighthawk@pD9507431.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:38:22 *** fjb [~frank@p5485AF84.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:38:39 *** ianbl [~ianbl@CPE00240168ac6d-CM001692fa1690.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #openttd [] 21:41:36 <Eddi|zuHause> that sounds like "you painted your car green, can you help me choosing oil colours for my painting?" 21:42:11 <SmatZ> hehe :) 21:43:51 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:44:06 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 21:44:45 <SmatZ> hello Nite_Owl 21:44:54 <Nite_Owl> Hello SmatZ 21:46:15 <OwenS> Hmm... Speaking of OpenDune, GNU FDL for the wiki? :S 21:46:34 <OwenS> Same for the OpenTTD wki :( 21:48:02 <Rubidium> they wiki is as out-of-date as ours already :) 21:48:20 <OwenS> And both are now stuck on licenses incompatible with most wikis 21:48:51 <Rubidium> which is? 21:48:56 <OwenS> CC-BY-SA 3.0 21:49:05 *** zodttd [~me@user-0c90n1c.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:49:13 <OwenS> Wikimedia, for example, relicensed under it in August last year 21:49:26 * andythenorth is troubled by refit costs 21:49:53 <Rubidium> before they were GNU FDL IIRC 21:49:59 <andythenorth> and, in fact, by refitting full stop 21:50:02 <OwenS> Rubidium: yes, but they relicensed 21:50:12 <Rubidium> they haven't asked me! 21:50:35 <OwenS> Rubidium: you contributed under the GFDL 1.2 or any later version. The GFDL 1.3 contains a specific relicensing clause to permit them to do so 21:50:40 <OwenS> That clause has now expired 21:53:15 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc237c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 21:53:58 <Pikka> andythenorth: needs more refit cost callback :) 21:54:14 <andythenorth> ships and planes share a similar problem 21:54:20 <andythenorth> refitting to most freight should be £0 21:54:38 <Pikka> yup 21:54:39 <andythenorth> refitting from PAX to freight or vice versa should be £expensive 21:54:48 <andythenorth> refit to something like oil tanker should be £expensive 21:54:54 <andythenorth> but it's only a game 21:55:00 <Pikka> callback, cargo to and from, refit cycle, bosh, done. :P 21:55:19 *** amalloy1 [~Alan@c-67-180-16-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has left #openttd [] 21:55:44 *** woldemar_ [~osaka@213.178.34.57] has joined #openttd 21:55:57 *** woldemar [~osaka@213.178.34.57] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:56:46 *** Yexo [~Yexo@205-89-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:57:07 *** Yexo [~Yexo@205-89-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 21:57:52 * andythenorth invents a 'magic refit'.....the ship / plane just refits automatically to the cargo which both is available in largest quantity *and* is accepted at next destination 21:58:03 <andythenorth> needs a patch :P 21:58:23 <andythenorth> also...this hovercraft is fricking enormous :o 21:58:36 <Pikka> that's what she said 22:00:11 * andythenorth needs more of the blue pixles 22:01:39 <Pikka> danger, will robinson 22:01:54 * Pikka wonders if industry airports are allowed to have hangars 22:04:34 <Nite_Owl> Oooo - a 'Lost In Space' reference 22:05:08 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 22:05:41 <Eddi|zuHause> Pikka: for servicing? or for buying vehicles? 22:06:13 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-213-34-232-56.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #openttd 22:06:13 <Nite_Owl> It was only when I got older and watched 'Lost In Space' in reruns that I realized what a raging queen Dr. Smith was 22:06:21 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:06:46 <Pikka> either, Eddi, although I imagine just servicing is more likely. 22:15:55 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA515.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:20:10 *** Mazur [~Lokimaros@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:21:07 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BC02.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:23:43 *** mrruben5 [~mrruben5@s5594146e.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 22:24:21 <Devedse> how do you activate certain graphiks (like the train used for logic gates that goes 3000 m/s) in your game? 22:28:35 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 22:28:37 <mrruben5> Are there any bugs known that cause the missing content finder to malfunction under osx? 22:29:28 <Pikka> the newgrf settings button, Devedse, and yes, mrruben5. 22:29:43 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 22:29:54 *** Morloth [~bram@cpc1-cowc4-0-0-cust183.renf.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:30:11 <Pikka> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=48140 22:30:16 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc237c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:33:28 *** |NoobCp| [~kvirc@4.63.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 22:35:05 * Devedse crashed the trains 22:35:06 <Devedse> lol 22:37:53 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@c122-108-245-233.kelvn3.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 22:37:55 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FBCF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:37:59 <Terkhen> good night 22:38:02 <Eddi|zuHause> mrruben5: yes, broken zlib 22:38:21 <mrruben5> that explains 22:38:27 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@client-86-23-33-247.brhm.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 22:38:28 <Eddi|zuHause> 1.2.4 = bad, 1.2.3.4 = good 22:39:08 <Rubidium> if only OSX would use the newest version of zlib 22:39:50 *** NoobCp [~kvirc@4.63.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:43:53 <SmatZ> Rubidium: like, 1.2.4.4? 22:43:56 <Eddi|zuHause> a bad version, once released, isn't suddenly going away 22:44:07 <Rubidium> SmatZ: like 1.2.5 22:44:27 <SmatZ> Rubidium: right, it's out already :) 22:47:35 *** Adambean [adam@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 22:50:42 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:52:14 <planetmaker> Rubidium: what's the newest zlib? 1.2.4 afaik? 22:52:33 <planetmaker> or did it change in the last 14(?) days? 22:53:36 <Wizzleby> 1.2.5 afaict 22:54:13 <planetmaker> he. 19 April :-) 22:55:33 <SmatZ> yeah, 1.2.5 is yesterday's :) 22:55:44 <glx> I was still using 1.2.3 :) 22:55:54 <SmatZ> so I am ;) 22:56:43 <planetmaker> glx: that was till November last year also current 22:56:50 <planetmaker> 1.2.4 was March 22:56:53 <mrruben5> Soooo, compiled zlib 1.2.5 with ./configure && make install 22:57:03 <mrruben5> doesn't work yet :/ 22:57:06 <SmatZ> umm 22:57:20 <SmatZ> the good way is using your distro's package manager 22:57:24 <SmatZ> else you can break things 22:57:30 <planetmaker> yeah :S 22:57:31 <SmatZ> or at least 22:57:33 <Rubidium> planetmaker: I said that Adler said that a new version was due in more than days and less than weeks, right? 22:58:02 <glx> planetmaker: 1.2.3 is from 2005 22:58:34 <planetmaker> Yes, Rubidium :-) I recall that 23:00:08 <mrruben5> smartz: port update zlib then? 23:02:08 <SmatZ> mrruben5: apple was quick with 1.2.4, I hope they will be even faster with 1.2.5 :) 23:02:13 <SmatZ> I don't know much about OSX... 23:02:47 <Rubidium> SmatZ: were they, I only heard complaints after 1.0.0 23:02:54 <Rubidium> which means 2 weeks 23:03:07 <mrruben5> nope macports has 1.2.4 23:03:16 <mrruben5> so I need to compile myself I guess 23:04:25 *** kyo313 [~kyo@93-97-250-157.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:04:32 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 23:07:05 <planetmaker> SmatZ: macports is afaik not directly related to apple 23:07:19 * SmatZ created zlib-1.2.5 ebuild for gentoo, if anyone interested 23:07:23 <glx> lol they forgot to update win32 readme 23:07:31 <planetmaker> hehe 23:10:10 <glx> and make install doesn't work 23:12:07 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:12:54 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D9486.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... Der, der blÀht, als hinterster geht!] 23:14:33 <glx> why did they disable configure for mingw ??? 23:15:20 *** KloBass [~hadameko@20.221.broadband4.iol.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:15:39 <Eddi|zuHause> sounds like you're having fun ;) 23:15:57 <glx> IIRC 1.2.3 compiled out of the box 23:16:38 <Ammler> well, it looks like 1.2.5 just fixes bugs from >1.2.3, so if you still use that old zlib, you are fine 23:16:49 <Ammler> which e.g. suse and fedora does 23:17:45 <Ammler> would suprise me, if they update :-) 23:17:54 <glx> too much work needed to get 1.2.5, I'll stick to 1.2.3 for now 23:17:56 <planetmaker> well. there are some other bug fixes wrt 1.2.3 23:18:13 <planetmaker> Ammler: there's mem leaks in there afair the changelog 23:18:15 <Ammler> yeah, suse spec uses around 5 patches 23:20:51 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:23:25 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 23:30:00 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:30:47 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.0.11.24] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2] 23:32:35 *** Jhs [~Jhs4@200.80-202-26.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:43:35 *** WizzleBLincoln [~wizzleby@pool-74-109-47-249.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 23:43:42 *** WizzleBLincoln [~wizzleby@pool-74-109-47-249.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has left #openttd [] 23:44:02 *** Wizzleby is now known as Guest703 23:44:46 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-74-109-47-249.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 23:46:57 *** Guest703 [~wizzleby@pool-74-109-47-249.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:52:44 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 23:54:48 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:55:06 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 23:56:01 *** Mazur [~Lokimaros@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 23:59:50 *** JVassie_ [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]