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Though, if only one is visible at the time each given time, a workaround could probably be made. 07:06:29 <Zuu> Eg. remember and restore the QueryWindow::text (or what the var name was) variable when switching tabs. 07:07:54 <Terkhen> I think there's a way to use the same edit box in all tabs, but the code will be very hacky 07:10:46 <Zuu> From what I recall I don't think they need to have the same widget id as IIRC you pass the widget number around at least to the input routines. But maybe not to the paint function. Though you would need to use the same data variable that holds the text for all edit boxes. Eg. you would have to have another storage for the text when a tab is invisible. 07:12:32 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc133e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 07:12:47 <Terkhen> many windows use a global variable to store settings when the window is closed (like the pressed cargo buttons at the cargo payment graph) 07:14:23 <Zuu> indeed, I've even implemented that at two times. :-) 07:14:41 <Terkhen> :P 07:14:41 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 07:15:08 <Zuu> or well, static var in those cases but it is quite the same in this case. 07:23:53 *** fjb [~frank@p5485DDCC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:35:30 *** Goulpy [~Goulp@ip163.opsio.fr] has joined #openttd 07:36:32 *** Goulpy [~Goulp@ip163.opsio.fr] has quit [] 07:36:37 *** Goulpy [~Goulp@ip163.opsio.fr] has joined #openttd 07:36:50 *** Goulpy [~Goulp@ip163.opsio.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:36:51 *** Goulpy [~Goulp@ip163.opsio.fr] has joined #openttd 07:37:18 *** Goulp is now known as Guest490 07:37:18 *** Goulpy is now known as goulp 07:37:26 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.209] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:37:38 *** goulp is now known as Goulp 07:39:59 *** lasershock [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 07:41:33 *** Guest490 [~Goulp@ip163.opsio.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:43:08 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc133e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:11:13 *** tvo [~Tobi@5356A162.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 08:11:24 *** Cadde [~cadde@c83-249-114-48.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:11:40 *** Cadde [Cadde@c83-249-114-48.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 08:12:03 <andythenorth> ....adjustments :) http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=48324&p=876447#p876447 08:14:39 <planetmaker> I quite like that 08:14:49 <planetmaker> except still the button thing ;-) 08:15:03 <planetmaker> but that's something which needs work anyway, especially on the backend part 08:15:19 <andythenorth> the tabs? 08:15:27 <andythenorth> I'm ignoring those for now :) 08:16:15 <andythenorth> parameters *and* toggle palette would go into a popup 'configure' window.....it's more work, but worth it and opens the way for gui configuration of newgrfs 08:19:02 <planetmaker> fully ack 08:19:22 <planetmaker> and for displaying the readme ;-) 08:19:34 *** IPG [~chatzilla@dhcp-190.r.wlan.bme.hu] has joined #openttd 08:21:30 <Ammler> or the bananas description 08:21:51 <planetmaker> readme gets shipped. Bananas description is local to bananas 08:22:06 <planetmaker> but the description which is anyway supplied with the newgrf in the action8 08:22:12 <Ammler> readme gets shipped, if author adds it :-) 08:22:35 <planetmaker> yes. Whoever doesn't ship one doesn't deserve to have displayed details 08:22:54 <planetmaker> combining the bananas description with this is more hassle than it's worth 08:22:59 <planetmaker> a readme is easily added. 08:23:09 <Ammler> yeah, might not be needed anymore anyway 08:23:37 <Ammler> the bananas description does mainy tell you why you should download the grf 08:23:50 <Noldo> Why aren't we calling newGRF presets landscapes? 08:24:25 <planetmaker> Noldo, as it might just be vehicles? How is that landscape? 08:25:02 <Noldo> there are different vehicles in different landscapes now 08:25:25 <planetmaker> yes. But they are not landscape 08:25:46 <planetmaker> if I read landscape I do associate terrain, trees, maybe roads and houses with it. But not vehicles or base cost modifications 08:27:08 <Noldo> in openttd context landscape defines also which vehicles are available 08:27:37 <planetmaker> not quite, if you use newgrfs 08:27:54 <planetmaker> most newgrfs just work the same on temp/arctic/tropic 08:27:56 <planetmaker> with small mods 08:28:03 <planetmaker> and base costs definitely are not landscape 08:29:01 <planetmaker> that one influences the other also doesn't mean they are the same. Landscape is just the wrong word 08:29:24 <Noldo> anyway, I think it's a bit odd that there is landscape selection on the main menu when the selection made there doesn't make as much difference as the newgrfs user activates 08:29:59 <planetmaker> that's why it's newgrfs ;-) which probably has for some reason similarity to the words "new graphics" 08:30:13 <planetmaker> (even though they are way more) 08:30:26 <Noldo> new everything 08:30:51 <andythenorth> they're presets....so call them presets :) 08:31:44 <Noldo> I would include the base landscape in to the preset 08:32:34 <planetmaker> Noldo, base sets cannot influence the game while newgrfs can 08:33:14 <andythenorth> are presets just for newgrf, or should they also include AIs, other settings? 08:33:28 * andythenorth thinks probably not 08:35:10 <planetmaker> andythenorth, there should be presets for each separately 08:35:20 <planetmaker> settings / newgrf / ai 08:35:21 *** last_evolution [~last_evol@r5ba58.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 08:35:33 <andythenorth> makes sense to me 08:36:13 <andythenorth> in my mockup....does the 'refresh' button make sense for 'rescan files'? 08:38:09 <Noldo> planetmaker: not base sets, the base lanscape as in temperate or arctic or toyland 08:39:43 <andythenorth> is separate to my choice of newgrfs 08:40:43 <planetmaker> Noldo, ah. That even makes sense, yes 08:43:11 <Noldo> and there of cource the matter of difficulty settings vs newgrf vs advanced settings, but maybe we won't go there today :) 08:49:46 <planetmaker> Noldo, difficulty will go. Actually I even removed it locally - at least from the surface ;-) 08:50:10 <planetmaker> Exactly for the reason you mention. There's no way to tell how newgrf affect it. So they're pointless anyway 08:53:59 <planetmaker> actually you just convinced me that difficulty really has no place here. Only different presets for settings 08:54:12 <planetmaker> That makes some things easier again :-) 09:00:27 <peter1138> do people use presets or always just modify the newgrf list? 09:03:33 <Yexo> I use it when testing, I have some presets with grfs I often use together 09:05:09 * planetmaker uses presets 09:05:40 <planetmaker> unfortunately they don't live through version updates. But then that can be done manually by loading the old, updating newgrfs and over-writing the old 09:05:54 <Ammler> it is nice not just for available lists, also exporting settings from another save. 09:06:03 <planetmaker> yep 09:06:44 <Ammler> yes, version in the file path is quite bad in that respect :-( 09:06:45 <planetmaker> I don't use them everytime. But those times I use them I'm quite happy they're there. 09:07:19 <planetmaker> E.g. theme sets like Japanese or North American are then easily re-used 09:07:37 <planetmaker> Or I start with my "most stations" preset and add the other things specific to the game 09:07:52 <Ammler> s/most/all/ 09:08:01 <planetmaker> most. Not the obsolete ones ;-) 09:08:13 <Ammler> :-) 09:08:54 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Administr@88.130.174.103] has joined #openttd 09:09:17 <planetmaker> and I have to say the filter functionality in the newgrf dialogue is worth gold 09:09:31 <andythenorth> yup 09:09:49 <Ammler> some grf combinations needs dependent parameters, there it is very nice to have presets (e.g. dbset/ttrs) 09:10:59 <planetmaker> one thing I can imagine is a small checkbox: 'add preset' which then adds the selected preset to the active grf list 09:11:04 <planetmaker> instead of replacing it. 09:11:30 <planetmaker> then one could add sub-sets of newgrf lists. 09:11:48 <andythenorth> I wonder about a drop-down menu to manage presets. Otherwise they clutter up the GUI with lots of options. 09:12:19 <planetmaker> like, say, a stations preset with a certain landscape preset. or alike 09:12:31 <planetmaker> andythenorth, they are a drop down... 09:12:46 <planetmaker> or you meant my "add preset" pony? 09:15:08 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@88.130.171.73] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:15:08 <andythenorth> also add/remove 09:15:23 <andythenorth> particularly 'remove' 09:15:37 * andythenorth has to work...but these might be worth improving 09:15:56 *** FauxFaux [faux@compsoc.sunion.warwick.ac.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:16:16 <planetmaker> yes... that would need a new window, I guess 09:17:32 <andythenorth> and if we want presets for map, AI....it should be a generic solution 09:18:13 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8dc5f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 09:24:03 *** fjb [~frank@p5485DDCC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:29:27 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: In democracy it's your vote that counts; In feudalism it's your count that votes. - Mogens Jallberg] 09:30:01 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FE84.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:30:40 *** amalloy1 [~Alan@c-67-180-16-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 09:35:53 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-f5f9e253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:35:55 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 10:00:00 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has joined #openttd 10:00:38 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 10:07:18 *** Mazur [~mazur@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Partir, c'est mourir un peu.] 10:07:37 *** Mazur [~mazur@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 10:10:29 *** PeterT_ [PeterT@c-76-19-171-79.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 10:11:03 *** Mazur [~mazur@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has quit [] 10:11:47 *** Mazur [~mazur@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 10:18:41 *** Mazur [~mazur@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:21:41 *** Mazur [~mazur@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 10:35:45 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.83.181] has joined #openttd 10:43:41 *** Cadde [Cadde@c83-249-114-48.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:44:15 *** Cadde [Cadde@c83-249-114-48.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 10:44:30 *** tvo [~Tobi@5356A162.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:48:45 *** marquisor [~marquisor@p5DCEAC5A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:51:04 *** lewymati [~lewymati@89.230.159.206] has joined #openttd 10:52:34 *** marquisor [~marquisor@p5DCEAC5A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 10:53:18 <dihedral> trallalla 10:53:54 *** Cadde [Cadde@c83-249-114-48.bredband.comhem.se] has left #openttd [] 10:58:45 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D7E4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:00:55 <Eddi|zuHause> you forgot "tri tra..." 11:01:07 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FE84.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:06:15 *** fjb [~frank@p5485DAA0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:07:54 <Ammler> "de chasperli isch wieder da" 11:17:28 *** IPG [~chatzilla@dhcp-190.r.wlan.bme.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:18:06 <Rubidium> that doesn't look very English to me 11:18:59 *** Adambean [CG1@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 11:19:01 <Eddi|zuHause> doesn't look very german either ;) 11:19:18 *** fjb [~frank@p5485DAA0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:21:08 <Ammler> Rubidium: chasperli = Jan Klaassen 11:21:27 <Ammler> (according to wikipedia) 11:22:29 <Ammler> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kasperle 11:28:06 *** fjb [~frank@p5485D8FE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:34:01 *** Jhs [~Jhs4@212.80-202-26.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 11:35:37 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 11:36:01 *** APTX_ [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:36:20 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DBC63.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:43:52 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 11:55:35 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19784 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: 11:55:35 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: -Fix [FS#3770]: if a waypoint is immediately followed by a path signal a 11:55:35 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: reservation would be made from that path signal before the waypoint is marked 11:55:35 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: passed. As a result the order to go to the waypoint is used to reserve the path 11:55:35 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: after the waypoint and as such trains get lost 12:20:02 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@77.106.152.147] has joined #openttd 12:32:02 *** Fixer [~uzver@91.202.128.79] has joined #openttd 12:39:13 *** lewymati [~lewymati@89.230.159.206] has quit [] 13:02:41 <dihedral> what happend to that little zodttd? :-P 13:04:24 <peter1138> who cares? 13:04:27 <Eddi|zuHause> last i heard was trouble with the license, don't know if that was resolved 13:04:30 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 13:06:03 *** APTX_ [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 13:08:12 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:09:27 *** heffer [~felix@mue-88-130-92-250.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #openttd 13:09:48 <dihedral> last i heard was that he was trying to do what it takes to comply 13:11:54 <dihedral> perhaps Rubidium knows more? 13:18:57 <Belugas> hello 13:20:14 <Eddi|zuHause> good morning, Belugas. 13:20:37 <dihedral> hey ho sir 13:20:44 <Belugas> good afternoone sir Eddi|zuHause 13:20:55 <Belugas> hi hi ho sir dihedral 13:21:46 *** Jhs [~Jhs4@212.80-202-26.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:27:43 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-159-208.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 13:59:41 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 14:04:27 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-74-109-41-7.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 14:07:14 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:7465:1b8d:2012:fc50] has joined #openttd 14:07:18 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 14:07:55 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 14:08:35 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:09:03 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 14:14:03 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:16:28 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15:49:46 <Belugas> mmmh... conflicts and conflicts... i should update more frequently 15:52:17 <Noldo> would it save you from conflicts+ 15:52:18 <Noldo> ? 15:52:47 <glx> less changes means less conflicts ;) 15:53:40 <__ln__> *fewer 15:54:48 <Noldo> would it work without the plurals 15:59:04 *** Zuu [~Zuu@cust-IP-11.data.tre.se] has joined #openttd 16:04:11 <Zuu> Too few proposals at the forum tonight. Not good, not good. :-p 16:05:03 <Zuu> Impossible to get much coding done on the train so what shall one do? :-p 16:06:41 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:10:29 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.18.195] has joined #openttd 16:23:08 *** KouDy [~KouDy@rb5ck203.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 16:25:02 <Belugas> Zuu, move to OOMAP ;) 16:25:06 <Belugas> buwhahaha!!! 16:25:36 <Zuu> But that requires typing... which is kind of ackward on a a laptop on a train. 16:25:42 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@77.106.152.147] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:26:40 <Zuu> Could grab my kinesis from my bag but it is still a bit ackward on a train. 16:27:41 <Zuu> Maybe I can come up with a new meaning of OOMAP which reduces the implementation time. :-p 16:28:16 <Zuu> Like Odd Ordered Map? 16:31:33 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 16:39:56 *** luddek [~ludde@h-92-160.A189.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: luddek] 16:40:08 *** Goulp [~Goulp@ip163.opsio.fr] has quit [Quit: PACKET_SERVER_SHUTDOWN] 16:41:39 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-5-149.A212.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 16:43:43 <Belugas> heheh 16:44:53 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 16:48:15 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:50:53 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 16:52:19 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 16:53:14 *** last_evolution [~last_evol@r5ba58.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:53:54 <Zuu> or Open Ocean Map. 16:56:47 *** Yexo [~Yexo@183-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Quit: bye] 16:57:02 *** Yexo [~Yexo@183-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 16:57:02 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-159-208.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [] 17:00:32 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-159-208.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 17:04:37 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Administr@88.130.174.103] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:12:04 <Belugas> ha... now... that sounds like an interesting acronym 17:13:42 <ccfreak2k> Object-Oriented Meta Allocation Protocol 17:14:40 <peter1138> Obviously Objectional Music Altogether Pop 17:14:56 <Zuu> ccfreak2k: does that make the project easier to implement? 17:15:17 <Zuu> An open ocean map would be just flat and blue so that would be easy. 17:16:02 <ccfreak2k> Zuu, depends on if you know how to use malloc. 17:16:30 <ccfreak2k> Although the "meta" qualifier means you might not even have to use malloc. 17:17:28 <Zuu> Got to go.. 17:17:32 *** Zuu [~Zuu@cust-IP-11.data.tre.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:34:23 <peter1138> int mapsize = 8192 * 8192; for (i = 0; i < mapsize; i++) { byte *ptr = malloc(1); } 17:37:49 <ptr_> hm 17:39:24 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: ptr_] 17:39:43 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc133e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:41:56 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 17:42:34 *** George is now known as Guest530 17:44:50 <peter1138> heh 17:45:36 <__ln__> memory leak! 17:45:53 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: translators * r19786 /trunk/src/lang/ (polish.txt russian.txt turkish.txt unfinished/irish.txt): 17:45:53 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:53 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: irish - 95 changes by tem 17:45:53 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: polish - 2 changes by xine 17:45:53 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: russian - 6 changes by Lone_Wolf 17:45:55 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: turkish - 3 changes by niw3 17:46:27 <peter1138> just amused that that guy got a highlight and left :) 17:46:53 <SpComb> quit 17:47:29 <Prof_Frink> /quit 17:47:41 <SpComb> malloc() smells, I suggest you should stop using it alltogether in the OpenTTD codebase 17:47:42 <peter1138> /quite 17:48:08 *** Guest522 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:48:16 <Prof_Frink> /quiet. 17:48:41 <frosch123> yup, use new byte() instead 17:49:02 <Rubidium> frosch123: nah 17:49:17 <Rubidium> just static byte our_memory[1234567890]; 17:49:34 <frosch123> new is the ultimate way to call a constructor, destructors are called automatically, delete is never needed 17:49:52 <frosch123> (at least some code looks like that) 17:50:10 <SpComb> http://www.gnu.org/software/hello/manual/libc/Obstacks.html ! 17:50:40 <frosch123> Rubidium: better skip the static. memory on stack is also freed automatically 17:53:05 <Rubidium> oh yes, global variables are BAD 17:54:46 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 17:55:43 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:56:02 *** snorre_ [~snorre@c692BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 17:56:23 <Belugas> they are? 17:56:26 <Belugas> mh... 17:56:43 * Belugas throws a lot of code to the trash can 17:57:53 *** snorre [~snorre@c692BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:59:29 <peter1138> openttd... one big global variable 18:00:33 *** snorre_ is now known as snorre 18:09:59 <andythenorth> evening 18:10:45 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.210] has joined #openttd 18:13:15 <andythenorth> "goods grows towns" strikes again :P 18:14:41 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host138-233-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:15:34 <Wolf01> hi 18:25:43 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B760E3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:26:21 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:29:26 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B74A72.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:30:04 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 18:33:24 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 18:36:11 <Progman> I cannot edit a bug in FS, can I? (typo) 18:36:51 <Yexo> no, you can only edit your own responses 18:38:02 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe32dc00-253.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 18:39:13 *** PeterT_ [PeterT2@c-76-19-171-79.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:39:57 *** PeterT_ [PeterT2@c-76-19-171-79.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:48:22 <OwenS> And the PM has now resigned 18:48:30 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe32dc00-253.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:49:49 * planetmaker is delighted that there's already window planes implemented in the widget system :-) 18:55:55 *** Hyronymus [~chatzilla@s5591a1ba.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 18:59:03 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:59:50 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 19:00:24 *** George is now known as Guest539 19:03:35 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@client-82-27-6-88.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Going!] 19:05:53 *** Guest530 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:08:11 *** last_evolution [~last_evol@r5ba58.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 19:11:54 * andythenorth ponders what to draw 19:15:02 <andythenorth> is a disk icon still a good metaphor for save? 19:17:29 <amalloy1> you could use princess toadstool/peach instead. everyone knows you have to save her 19:19:14 <andythenorth> :) 19:19:25 <frosch123> andythenorth: do you know some editor which does not use a floppy for save? 19:19:45 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@client-82-27-6-88.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:20:22 <andythenorth> frosch123: opengfx? 19:20:47 <frosch123> oh you can use it to edit files? 19:21:10 <Terkhen> a USB flash drive? 19:21:30 <andythenorth> this is for the 'save preset' icon 19:21:30 <andythenorth> floppy disk in 8x8 pixels 19:21:30 <andythenorth> hmmm 19:22:52 <andythenorth> some people use an arrow pointing to a folder....but not in 8x8 px :P 19:24:35 <frosch123> 8x8 is very small :) 19:26:13 * andythenorth is not convinced by this idea 19:26:36 <frosch123> ther are some 12x12 floppy on google 19:26:41 <frosch123> but nothing smaller 19:27:22 <frosch123> you could use a star for "new" simliar to create vehicle groups. 19:27:31 <frosch123> plus looks more like "add" 19:28:04 <andythenorth> floppy disk and alternative arrow->box icon 19:28:04 <andythenorth> http://tt-foundry.com/misc/game_setup_gui_2d.png 19:28:44 <frosch123> err, when did you look at a floppy last time? 19:29:38 <OwenS> Yeah. At least the notch is on the right side though 19:30:06 <OwenS> And jeez... I always forget just how unreadable the default font is 19:31:21 * andythenorth had a floppy boot disk for the mac once, in about 1998 19:31:56 *** amalloy1 [~Alan@c-67-180-16-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:32:12 *** amalloy [~Alan@c-67-180-16-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:33:19 <frosch123> remove group uses a cross, that could also work here 19:33:24 * andythenorth thinks drawing a recognisable flopping disk in 8x8 px with *just one colour* might be bonkers 19:33:38 <andythenorth> cross or trash can. we use both in web apps, depending on context 19:33:57 <andythenorth> trash can usually implies 'undelete' is possible 19:34:05 <frosch123> oh, you want to keep it monochrome? 19:34:12 <andythenorth> that's the GUI style :P 19:35:32 *** ajmiles2 [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:35:38 <frosch123> the rescan button is imo weird. how about putting it next to content download? 19:36:11 <andythenorth> dunno, doesn't it refresh the inactive list? therefore should be near it.... 19:36:20 <andythenorth> I want to move content download.... 19:36:25 <andythenorth> but I'm not sure where 19:37:53 <frosch123> also, shouldn't the activate/deactivate buttons get slightly higher 19:38:05 <andythenorth> I think they would be much more usable that way 19:38:07 <frosch123> thin as the listentries looks too thin 19:38:29 <andythenorth> I am trying to stick to the conventions, but maybe it's time to evolve a little :) 19:38:51 <andythenorth> bigger hit targets would be easier 19:39:19 <frosch123> where would you put a toggle-static-grf button? 19:39:29 <andythenorth> dunno. what does it do? 19:40:23 <frosch123> it allows adding of landscape grf and other unimportant stuff on client side 19:40:48 <Yexo> a third list for that would be most clear 19:40:56 <frosch123> hmm, but maybe it is wrong in the generate world gui 19:41:19 <andythenorth> planetmaker has made a case for this stuff being in 'options' 19:41:31 <frosch123> hmm, too bad, you cannot change static grfs while the game is running though 19:41:58 <frosch123> so maybe it should be rather some button in join-multiplayer game 19:42:18 <Yexo> <frosch123> hmm, too bad, you cannot change static grfs while the game is running though <- in theory that could work, not? 19:42:23 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:42:34 <frosch123> yes, in theory :) 19:42:43 <andythenorth> http://humanized.com/weblog/2007/06/25/the_end_of_an_icon/ 19:42:48 <Yexo> reapplying grfs shouldn't change the game state at all if the exact same grfs are found, after all that is now joining a multiplayer game works 19:43:10 <frosch123> Yexo: but for example, we disable static grfs, when normal grfs ask whether they are present 19:43:19 <frosch123> so you would also somehow reload the normal grfs 19:43:34 <frosch123> and for removing static newgrfs you likely also have to reload newgrfs 19:43:38 <Yexo> yes, changing static grfs would mean reloading _all_ grfs 19:43:52 * andythenorth contemplates putting the words back for save / delete presets 19:45:28 <frosch123> Yexo: also, currently reloading newgrfs resets engines. irrc loading savegames loads the engine stuff in some temporary place first, then loads the grfs, and activates the temporary stuff from before 19:47:48 *** amalloy [~Alan@c-67-180-16-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:47:48 <andythenorth> current mockup is 640x390 19:48:01 * andythenorth ponders a 640x480 version 19:48:07 <Yexo> frosch123: to reloading newgrfs would need to save all engine data in a temp array, then reload it after reloading the newgrfs 19:48:11 <Yexo> same as with save/load 19:48:14 *** amalloy [~Alan@c-67-180-16-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:48:38 <frosch123> maybe we should already do that today :) 19:52:56 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:57:18 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D7E4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:57:19 *** OwenSX28-AC [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:58:52 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:59:49 *** OwenSX28-AC is now known as OwenS 20:00:43 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 20:01:29 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 20:02:57 *** amalloy [~Alan@c-67-180-16-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has left #openttd [] 20:05:18 <Rubidium> andythenorth: do I read FS#3602 right if I think it can be closed now? 20:06:15 * andythenorth checks 20:07:35 <andythenorth> Rubidium: my method was a bad one. Yexo has a patch that simply enforces 1 tile separation around industries. 20:07:51 <andythenorth> so yes, #FS3602 is no longer relevant 20:07:56 <andythenorth> but the issue is still there 20:08:07 <andythenorth> I don't fancy fixing it with nfo for every layout for every industry 20:08:22 <Yexo> http://devs.openttd.org/~yexo/nearby_industries.diff <- that one? 20:10:28 <andythenorth> yep 20:10:33 <andythenorth> I tested it, works great. 20:11:46 *** mib_2gmgqy [52e1303a@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 20:12:12 *** mib_2gmgqy [52e1303a@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [] 20:13:01 <andythenorth> bah 20:13:07 * andythenorth hates the rescan button 20:14:54 <frosch123> yeah, it is not important at all for the average user 20:15:06 <frosch123> maybe it should be turned into a console command :p 20:15:50 <frosch123> ohoh, some "reload" is quite common 20:16:00 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 20:16:26 <Yexo> what kind of "reload"? 20:16:27 * andythenorth reverts to the 'refresh' icon. 20:16:36 <Yexo> reloading the newgrf is done every time a new game / save game is started 20:16:50 <frosch123> Yexo: rescan the disk for new grf files 20:17:02 <frosch123> which someone copied there while ottd was running 20:17:23 <Yexo> imo a console command for that is enough 20:17:29 <frosch123> so, quite rarely. but every web browser also has an reload button 20:18:23 <Yexo> adding the console command is a good idea anyway, as dedicated servers currently have no way to rescan for new newgrf files 20:18:58 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:19:09 <frosch123> what do they need that for? 20:19:19 <frosch123> can you add newgrf on a dedicated server? 20:19:30 <frosch123> resp. start a new game with different newgrfs? 20:19:40 <Wolf01> good night 20:19:44 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host138-233-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:19:48 <frosch123> or do you mean adding those as well :) 20:20:00 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-hkibrasgw1-ff1ec000-127.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 20:20:04 <Yexo> frosch123: there is a config setting to reload the config file every time a new game is started 20:20:26 <Yexo> so you can upload a newgrf to the server (via ssh/ftp/whatever), then change the config file, then start a new game without closing the server 20:20:53 <Yexo> it all works, except if you add a newgrf to the config file that you just uploaded as no rescan is done (or can be done) 20:21:36 <frosch123> ok, i guess rescanning newgrfs whenever a config is reloaded is too annoying 20:21:56 <Yexo> actually that is also a good solution I think 20:22:15 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-215-125.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:22:15 <Yexo> when the config is reloaded a new game is started, so a few seconds more doesn't matter much 20:23:05 <andythenorth> bigger mockup. 20:23:05 <andythenorth> http://tt-foundry.com/misc/game_setup_gui_2e.png 20:23:17 <andythenorth> not as elegant, but maybe more usable 20:23:37 * frosch123 liked the smaller start button on the right 20:24:11 <andythenorth> could be restored 20:24:44 <andythenorth> I think it's more balanced with a centred button....easy to change though 20:25:28 <frosch123> close/continue buttons are always in the bottomright corner, aren't they? 20:25:34 <andythenorth> in my world, yes 20:25:45 <andythenorth> all my web forms are constructed that way 20:26:06 <andythenorth> it leaves the bottom left as the obvious place for 'check online content' 20:26:22 <andythenorth> hmmm.....'check online content'.....better wording? 20:27:34 <frosch123> s/check/Download/ ? 20:28:04 <frosch123> in firefox i click "download add-ons" 20:29:22 <andythenorth> How many other places have to change if that button is changed? 20:30:02 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 20:31:09 <frosch123> STR_NEWGRF_SETTINGS_FIND_MISSING_CONTENT_BUTTON :{BLACK}Find missing content online 20:31:10 <frosch123> STR_NEWGRF_SETTINGS_FIND_MISSING_CONTENT_TOOLTIP :{BLACK}Check whether the missing content can be found online 20:31:17 <frosch123> maybe those two, nothing more 20:32:11 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:33:38 <andythenorth> my firefox has 'Get Add-ons' 20:33:45 <andythenorth> 'Get' or 'Download' ? 20:34:26 <frosch123> no idea, my "download" was just translating back to english :p 20:37:11 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:39:48 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.18.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:42:52 <andythenorth> another mockup 20:42:53 <andythenorth> http://tt-foundry.com/misc/game_setup_gui_2f.png 20:43:59 *** luddek [~ludde@84-55-112-195.customers.ownit.se] has joined #openttd 20:44:44 <Terkhen> nice :O 20:45:06 * Rubidium wonders whether there should be some style guide w.r.t. colours of windows and the meaning of said colour 20:45:11 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: glx * r19787 /trunk/src/stdafx.h: -Fix: compilation with MinGW GCC 4.5.0 and UNICODE 20:45:41 <Rubidium> so all configuration related windows have the same colour 20:45:51 <Rubidium> etc. 20:46:04 <SpComb> you can hardly find the Start Game button 20:46:35 <andythenorth> Rubidium: yes 20:46:41 <andythenorth> also resp. buttons 20:46:41 <Rubidium> *but* I think that such a style guide would imply redesigning all windows 20:47:02 <andythenorth> I have just invented a new button size :P 20:47:08 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 20:47:23 <frosch123> as long as you do not add light blue and yellow windows as in tto 20:47:55 <andythenorth> :) 20:48:11 <andythenorth> I am minimising the use of highlight colour. Not everything can 'stand out' 20:48:19 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19788 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 4 dirs): -Codechange: make FOR_EACH_SET_BIT not change the value of the passed bit variable, i.e. allow expressions as parameter 20:48:25 <frosch123> tto is very colourful :p 20:49:12 <frosch123> anyway, i am going to leave till sunday or so 20:49:41 <frosch123> long weekend in weird catholic states :p 20:49:51 <frosch123> night 20:49:54 <andythenorth> bye 20:49:57 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc133e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:49:57 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f60ec.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:55:04 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:57:43 *** luddek [~ludde@84-55-112-195.customers.ownit.se] has quit [Quit: luddek] 21:00:10 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19789 /trunk/src/core/bitmath_func.hpp: -Add [FS#3519]: a typed FOR_EACH_SET_BIT (adf88) 21:00:26 <Eddi|zuHause> what makes the weekend longer than in weird protestant states? 21:00:59 <Eddi|zuHause> i thought thursday was a federal holiday... 21:01:12 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19790 /trunk/src/ (cargotype.h station_gui.cpp): -Change: use the typed FOR_EACH_SET_BIT for CargoIDs (adf88) 21:01:53 *** ajmiles2 [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:02:10 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19791 /trunk/src/ (road_cmd.cpp road_func.h): -Change: use the typed FOR_EACH_SET_BIT for RoadTypes (adf88) 21:02:41 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19792 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 3 dirs): -Change: use the typed FOR_EACH_SET_BIT for Tracks (adf88) 21:03:34 <Belugas> EOD! 21:03:40 <Belugas> BYE!! 21:03:44 <Rubidium> night Belugas 21:03:59 <Belugas> you too Rubidium :) 21:08:06 *** Hyronymus [~chatzilla@s5591a1ba.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539]] 21:22:10 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 21:27:29 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@88.130.174.103] has joined #openttd 21:31:07 *** lewymati [~lewymati@89.230.159.206] has quit [] 21:35:56 <andythenorth> bye 21:37:38 <PeterT> bye andythenorth 21:38:24 <Terkhen> good night 21:49:29 *** KouDy [~KouDy@rb5ck203.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Chicks dig it] 21:51:53 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D7E4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:57:07 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.18.195] has joined #openttd 22:13:23 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.18.195] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 22:20:24 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:20:39 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 22:20:41 *** JostVice [~jostvice@85.136.129.22.dyn.user.ono.com] has left #openttd [] 22:23:18 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 22:23:41 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@4chan.fm] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:26:38 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA0BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:29:29 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-23-143.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:31:36 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-156-58.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 22:31:39 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 22:32:28 *** DDR_ [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 22:37:56 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:37:56 *** DDR_ is now known as DDR 22:38:44 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 22:40:03 *** JVassie_ [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:46:03 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:55:23 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:55:43 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Quit: Quit] 22:56:20 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 22:57:16 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC7934.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!] 22:57:38 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:58:08 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DBC63.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... Der, der blÀht, als hinterster geht!] 23:00:17 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:09:18 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-154-137.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:09:18 *** fjb [~frank@p5485D8FE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:09:41 *** fjb [~frank@p5485D8FE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:11:12 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-154-137.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 23:11:59 *** Hribek [93201fc1@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 23:15:59 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [] 23:23:28 <Fixer> hi all 23:23:45 <Nite_Owl> Hello Fixer 23:23:51 <Fixer> Hello 23:24:53 <Fixer> wandering in that late time... i've got many and LARGE bridges and signals beetwen them (automatically)... they are slow downing my trains... is that neccesary to put them? 23:27:59 <Nite_Owl> long bridges are a problem in that only one train can be on them at a time 23:28:06 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 23:29:14 <Fixer> only one? 23:29:25 <Fixer> even without signals? 23:30:31 <Nite_Owl> there can be no signals on the actual bridge so only one train can be on them 23:31:08 <Fixer> hmm... thanks 23:32:01 * Fixer is reading article about signals 23:41:17 *** Hribek [93201fc1@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 23:43:08 <Nite_Owl> although now that I think about it I wonder if that has changed with path signals 23:53:25 <Nite_Owl> need to feed - later all 23:53:27 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 23:55:47 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-5-149.A212.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Sir stalk-a-lot to the attack] 23:57:22 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:59:37 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleeps.]