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00:00:04 <Ammler> lennard: [01:56] <tjfontaine> test is what you get when you don't hit our kill level for being on dnsbls 00:06:05 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... 0.2% of traffic over DE-CIX is IPv6 00:07:13 <fjb> How else could it be when you usually get IPv6 only via a tunnel? 00:14:29 <lennard> huh? so we're protecting the evil peoples identities now? 00:15:19 <lennard> ah well 00:15:22 <lennard> sleep stuffs 00:20:18 <Ammler> hehe, true 00:20:27 <Ammler> good night from here too 00:25:17 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B8DB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:33:54 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 00:36:14 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... what may be the reason for wget connections being killeld almost exactly after 12 minutes 00:38:40 <Rubidium> 42? 00:39:04 <Rubidium> "disk full"? 00:39:29 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: ecke] 00:39:57 <Eddi|zuHause> i downloaded a 150MB file, and got disconnections after 33MB (12m 3s), 67MB (12m 3s), 101MB (12m 4s) and 134MB (12m 4s) 00:40:04 <Eddi|zuHause> that's awfully regular 00:40:40 <Rubidium> is it 12 minutes, or 33.5-ish MiB? 00:41:21 <Rubidium> oh, right... "bed time" is the right answer 00:41:50 <Eddi|zuHause> 33.579.073, 67.011.202, 100.728.452, 134.432.741 00:41:58 <Eddi|zuHause> the numbers in bytes... 00:43:47 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-24-54-50.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:47:35 <Eddi|zuHause> 32,02, 63,91, 96,06, 128,2 (MiB) 00:48:15 <Eddi|zuHause> not sure if that is a coincidence... 00:49:22 <Eddi|zuHause> and no, downloads don't go to the "disk full" harddrive 00:51:07 *** PeterT is now known as PeterT-GeoIPfool 00:51:45 *** PeterT-GeoIPfool is now known as PeterT 00:54:20 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8cd7e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:59:32 *** _Ben_ [~Ben@81-5-142-101.dsl.eclipse.net.uk] has joined #openttd 00:59:40 *** lasershock [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:00:45 *** lasershock [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 01:00:56 <_Ben_> Jupix: you around? 01:02:49 <_Ben_> general question so I'm gunna throw it in there, where should the single sea sprite tile now be put? 01:05:52 *** lasershock` [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 01:06:31 *** lasershock [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:06:31 *** lasershock` is now known as lasershock 01:06:38 *** JVassie_ [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:11:10 *** lasershock [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:11:40 *** lasershock [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 01:21:09 *** welshdragon [~dragon@ip05.rdlbnc.com] has quit [Quit: Hosted by rdlBNC!] 01:21:20 *** PeterT [~PeterT@rdlbnc.com] has quit [Quit: Goodbye] 01:25:12 *** welshdragon [~dragon@ip05.rdlbnc.com] has joined #openttd 01:27:06 <Eddi|zuHause> at 3AM, you shouldn't put sea tiles anywhere ;) 01:27:34 <Eddi|zuHause> ... or expect a sensible answer... 01:28:09 *** PeterT [~PeterT@rdlbnc.com] has joined #openttd 01:30:29 <_Ben_> it will be more sensible than me at 3am 01:32:56 <_Ben_> I feel that if people can explain things to me in a half-consious state, then it may be more compatible with my laymen requirments 01:59:20 *** PeterT [~PeterT@rdlbnc.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:59:59 *** xOR^CS is now known as xOR 02:00:19 *** Jolteon [~jolt@ip04.rdlbnc.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:06:48 *** Jolteon [~jolt@ip04.rdlbnc.com] has joined #openttd 02:06:59 <caribou|> how do you set a dedicated server to pause when it's empy ? 02:07:43 *** PeterT [~PeterT@rdlbnc.com] has joined #openttd 02:16:19 <caribou|> min_players to 1 :D 02:16:22 <caribou|> good night 02:16:26 *** caribou| [~caribou@98.132-245-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 02:17:44 *** _Ben_ [~Ben@81-5-142-101.dsl.eclipse.net.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:22:21 *** 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[~quix0r@dslb-094-221-203-160.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 05:15:03 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-188-100-221-094.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:15:30 <SmatZ> morning 05:15:34 <SmatZ> @seen tintiri 05:15:34 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: I have not seen tintiri. 05:15:59 <dihedral> hey ho SmatZ 05:16:06 <Yexo> good morning 05:16:43 <SmatZ> hello dihedral :) 05:19:23 *** welshdragon [~dragon@ip05.rdlbnc.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:23:14 *** PeterT [~PeterT@rdlbnc.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:24:26 *** Jolteon [~jolt@ip04.rdlbnc.com] has joined #openttd 05:25:27 *** PeterT [~PeterT@rdlbnc.com] has joined #openttd 05:33:04 *** Jolteon [~jolt@ip04.rdlbnc.com] has quit [Quit: Bye Guiz!] 05:37:32 *** welshdragon [~dragon@ip05.rdlbnc.com] has joined #openttd 05:41:01 *** Jolteon [~jolt@ip04.rdlbnc.com] has joined #openttd 05:43:05 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: smatz * r19870 /trunk/src/ (table/settings.h viewport.cpp): -Codechange: silence some of GCC 3.3 warnings 05:44:34 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-74-109-51-111.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:47:21 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@ip-141-137-106-77.eidsiva.net] has joined #openttd 05:52:16 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-239-137-106-77.eidsiva.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:57:36 *** JostVice [~jostvice@85.136.129.22.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #openttd 06:12:08 *** CIA-6 [cia@208.69.182.149] has quit [] 06:22:17 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 06:36:05 *** welshdragon [~dragon@ip05.rdlbnc.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:36:36 *** Wizzleby [locke@204-74-213-37.take2hosting.com] has joined #openttd 06:36:41 *** CIA-2 [cia@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 06:38:09 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 06:48:16 <planetmaker> good morning 06:48:16 *** PeterT [~PeterT@rdlbnc.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:51:07 *** welshdragon [~dragon@ip05.rdlbnc.com] has joined #openttd 06:52:07 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 06:53:28 <planetmaker> Yexo: split patches added http://bugs.openttd.org/task/3826 06:53:45 *** PeterT [~PeterT@rdlbnc.com] has joined #openttd 06:58:32 *** SineDeviance [~jman@cpe-069-132-093-065.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 06:59:21 *** snorre [~snorre@c692BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:01:30 <Yexo> Disable snowline if not hilly <- you even copied the wrong comments :p 07:01:34 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r19871 /trunk/src/ (genworld.h genworld_gui.cpp intro_gui.cpp): -Fix [FS#3826]: update the landscape buttons in the main menu / newgame window correctly (planetmaker) 07:02:01 <planetmaker> meh :-P 07:02:57 <planetmaker> I noticed once. I fixed once. And then re-wrote the patch and forgot ;-) 07:03:33 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 07:04:43 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba979e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 07:05:44 <planetmaker> do you want an update? :-) 07:05:56 <Yexo> course not :) 07:06:03 <planetmaker> hehe :-) 07:07:57 <Yexo> this->OnInvalidateData(); for OnClick GLAND_START_DATE_TEXT / GLAND_SNOW_LEVEL_TEXT isn't useful 07:07:58 *** welshdragon [~dragon@ip05.rdlbnc.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:08:15 <planetmaker> why not? 07:08:25 <planetmaker> the up/down buttons need updating, if you type in a value 07:08:40 <Yexo> because the value isn't changed when you click that button 07:08:49 <planetmaker> yes, it is :-) 07:09:09 <Yexo> The OnInvalidateData should be in OnQueryTextFinished 07:09:54 <planetmaker> hm. where it is actually, too. Yes, so it's duplicate 07:13:10 *** welshdragon [~dragon@ip05.rdlbnc.com] has joined #openttd 07:13:41 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 07:15:33 *** welshdragon [~dragon@ip05.rdlbnc.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:16:32 <planetmaker> uploaded updated version. It's the smaller diff with the same name ;-) 07:17:14 <planetmaker> can be quite confusing to have one FS reply with two identically named files attached :-P 07:17:26 <Yexo> did you change anything important? I was already working on your patch 07:17:55 <planetmaker> I changed what you just said: remove the non-necessary OnInvalidateData and the comment with arcic vs. hilly fixed 07:23:33 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:26:15 *** welshdragon [~dragon@ip05.rdlbnc.com] has joined #openttd 07:41:12 *** JVassie_ [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 07:43:03 *** welshdragon [~dragon@ip05.rdlbnc.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:51:17 *** welshdragon [~dragon@ip05.rdlbnc.com] has joined #openttd 07:54:38 *** last_evolution [~last_evol@r5ba58.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 07:59:25 *** Jolteon [~jolt@ip04.rdlbnc.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:01:54 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 08:08:01 *** Sm0_ck is now known as tycoondemon 08:08:07 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FA13.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:09:12 *** Jolteon [~jolt@ip04.rdlbnc.com] has joined #openttd 08:16:33 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B98E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:16:34 *** Jolteon [~jolt@ip04.rdlbnc.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:16:43 *** SineDeviance [~jman@cpe-069-132-093-065.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:20:43 *** Jolteon [~jolt@ip04.rdlbnc.com] has joined #openttd 08:23:58 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r19872 /trunk/src/genworld_gui.cpp: -Codechange [FS#3826]: move the widget updates in the newgame gui to OnInvalidateData from OnPaint 08:30:38 *** PeterT [~PeterT@rdlbnc.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:31:00 *** welshdragon [~dragon@ip05.rdlbnc.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:33:46 <planetmaker> Yexo, you now basically re-draw the whole window upon every button change, if I see that correctly, right? 08:34:25 <Yexo> yes 08:34:30 <planetmaker> why? 08:34:40 <planetmaker> what's the advantage? 08:34:52 <Yexo> because it's easy to code and correct? 08:35:34 <Yexo> the window isn't redrawed more often then before the patch 08:35:56 <planetmaker> hm, I guess it doesn't matter much anyway 08:36:34 <planetmaker> It's a GUI window only, not called often... I didn't want to redraw much more than necessary 08:37:23 <Yexo> as long as it's for every button click it doesn't matter, it becomes another thing if the window is redrawn every tick 08:37:27 *** welshdragon [~dragon@ip05.rdlbnc.com] has joined #openttd 08:38:10 <planetmaker> I guess :-) Might make the redraw code with tabs also a bit easier :-) 08:38:50 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d77b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 08:38:57 <Yexo> which part of the patch are you now actually commenting on? 08:39:03 *** PeterT [~PeterT@rdlbnc.com] has joined #openttd 08:40:45 <planetmaker> the last comment was referring to what I plan to do with the newgame window :-) 08:41:00 <planetmaker> adding tabs to the new game window 08:41:16 <Yexo> yes, I understood taht, but before, about redrwaing the complete window on every button change? 08:41:39 <planetmaker> <planetmaker> It's a GUI window only, not called often... I didn't want to redraw much more than necessary <-- that comment? 08:41:51 <Yexo> <planetmaker> Yexo, you now basically re-draw the whole window upon every button change, if I see that correctly, right? <- no, that one 08:41:55 <planetmaker> IIRC it wasn't redrawn, if only one map border type changed 08:42:15 <planetmaker> wasn't only the button updated? 08:42:44 <Yexo> possible, but actually changing the widget relied on OnPaint 08:43:01 <planetmaker> hm, also true 08:43:09 <planetmaker> which then re-painted everything 08:43:38 <Yexo> not sure about that 08:44:23 <planetmaker> me neither. Or I assume(d) that it doesn't. That's what I based my statement "now re-draws everything" on. 08:44:54 <planetmaker> because it's possible to change one widget state, have other widget states change, but not have that change reflect on the window 08:45:09 <planetmaker> which is an indicator that not everything gets automatically redrawn with this->SetDirty 08:45:48 <Yexo> this->SetDirty() should redrawn everything, but it's not automatically called 08:46:26 <Yexo> in fact there is no call from OnClick to SetDirty (only in the GLAND_RANDOM_BUTTON handler) 08:46:33 <Yexo> and indirect via InvalidateData 08:46:54 *** xOR is now known as xOR^away 08:47:05 <Yexo> the alternative would be to call OnInvalidateData() and then SetWidgetDirty 08:50:12 <planetmaker> OnInvalidateData should - as it is used now - redraw the whole window. Or it'd get messy with the interaction with the main window. Or one would need to add many SetWidgetDirty to it. 08:50:33 <planetmaker> Probably not bad this way :-) 08:50:48 <planetmaker> I just try to understand why you do it differently than me :-) 08:50:56 <Yexo> planetmaker: InvalidateData() (without On) is a function that calls OnInvalidateData and after that SetDirty 08:51:49 <planetmaker> ah, they both exist :-) 08:52:20 <Yexo> I changed some of your OnInvalidateData to InvalidateData and removed a SetDirty on the line before 08:52:58 <planetmaker> ah, I didn't do a side-by-side comparison yet. I'm not anymore at home :-) 08:53:11 <Yexo> I only did it now 08:53:20 <Yexo> but I took your patch and just changed it untill it worked 08:53:27 <planetmaker> :-D 08:53:49 <planetmaker> hm, where did my patch not work? In my testing everything updated when it should 08:54:15 <Yexo> the water/freeform buttons didn't update correctly when clicking on them 08:54:25 <Yexo> but that might have been due to another change I made in the meantime 08:54:56 <planetmaker> hm... I didn't check them everytime. But I didn't change any code concerning them... dunno. I can't rule it out 08:55:07 <peter1138> hm, i wonder if there are any places left in ottd where the gui is updated after sending a command (instead of the command telling the gui to update) 08:56:10 <Yexo> ai_gui.cpp:967 08:56:46 <Yexo> autoreplace_gui.cpp:434/440 08:58:54 <Yexo> order_gui.cpp:659 08:59:20 <peter1138> autoreplace? can we blame bjarni? :D 08:59:26 <Yexo> order_gui.cpp:1176 09:01:37 <Yexo> svn blame show me as the last one to change the DoCommandP line, and frosch as the last one to change the this->SetDirty() line 09:02:16 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:02:24 <planetmaker> blame and shame! 09:03:01 <Yexo> terraform_gui.cpp:59 09:04:51 <Yexo> couldn't find anything else obvious, most of those harmless 09:05:01 <Yexo> possible exception are the ones in order_gui.cpp 09:05:21 <fonsinchen> I could distribute the link graph calculation over the clients connected to a game instead of doing everything on each client. 09:05:34 <fonsinchen> Then send the updates to station flow stats via commands 09:05:54 <fonsinchen> good idea or hacky? 09:06:08 <Yexo> that opens the way for cheating by modifying your client 09:06:16 <fonsinchen> it does 09:06:55 <fonsinchen> I could make the number of concurrent calculations configurable and have everyone double-check against the other. 09:07:22 <fonsinchen> sounds funny but is probably awfully complicated 09:12:23 *** PeterT [~PeterT@rdlbnc.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:12:35 <Terkhen> good morning 09:13:45 *** Jolteon` [~jolt@ip04.rdlbnc.com] has joined #openttd 09:13:45 *** Jolteon [~jolt@ip04.rdlbnc.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:13:52 *** PeterT [~PeterT@rdlbnc.com] has joined #openttd 09:19:06 *** luddek [~ludde@h-92-160.A189.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 09:23:59 <planetmaker> Rubidium, maybe you're interested to pull from the stable server? 09:24:23 <planetmaker> 11:15 09:24:23 <planetmaker> <Stablean> *** V453000 has left the game (desync error) 09:24:29 <planetmaker> right after newgame 09:29:23 *** JVassie_ [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:30:21 <fonsinchen> There also was a single desync on the fixed cargodist server two days ago and I can. 09:30:29 <fonsinchen> 't yet explain that 09:31:11 <planetmaker> it's not the first desync on our 1.0.1 server 09:33:46 <fonsinchen> However, I don't have sufficient logs from the cargodist desync so there actually is no way to find out about it. 09:34:53 <fonsinchen> In general, on monday I was quite successful with just uncompressing and comparing savegames with hexdump/vbindiff 09:37:09 <Rubidium> planetmaker: the new_map issue has probably something to do with the game tick between setting up the new game stuff and the actual new game 09:37:44 <Rubidium> and for some reason I've not been able to reproduce the issue locally to figure out what happens exactly 09:40:07 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/~petern/pics/deadpixels.png < hurr 09:41:30 <Jolteon`> ./ 09:48:51 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75CC3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:49:07 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75CC3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:05:44 *** holyduck [~holyduck@77.106.156.150] has joined #openttd 10:08:43 *** last_evolution [~last_evol@r5ba58.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:12:38 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@ip-141-137-106-77.eidsiva.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:22:23 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:42:10 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... why do old games always segfault? i tried one in dosbox and two in wine... no luck :( 10:46:17 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.83.181] has joined #openttd 10:47:27 *** PeterT [~PeterT@rdlbnc.com] has quit [Quit: Goodbye] 10:48:43 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:48:57 *** JVassie_ [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:49:43 *** PeterT [~PeterT@peter.tarkoy.com] has joined #openttd 10:51:44 *** potrzebie [~irc@87-249-175-158.ljusnet.se] has quit [Quit: ta hand om pungen] 10:54:33 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75CC3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:54:52 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75CC3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:05:16 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 11:12:15 *** holyduck [~holyduck@77.106.156.150] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:12:33 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@77.106.156.150] has joined #openttd 11:12:37 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-72-20.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 11:35:33 *** TinoDidriksen [~TinoDidri@alpha.visl.sdu.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:36:18 *** TinoDidriksen [~TinoDidri@alpha.visl.sdu.dk] has joined #openttd 11:40:25 *** last_evolution [~last_evol@r5ba58.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 12:01:29 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@ip-33-137-106-77.eidsiva.net] has joined #openttd 12:06:23 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@77.106.156.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:07:30 *** Lefor [~chatzilla@mnhm-4d01af57.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:07:37 <Lefor> Hello! 12:08:15 *** Devedse [30302@cis.HZeeland.nl] has joined #openttd 12:09:18 <Lefor> Is it correct that some Patches do not work with Tortoise SVN? Instead i have to use the patch-command? :) 12:09:31 <Rubidium> yes, that is correct 12:09:50 <Rubidium> and not all patch commands work correctly either 12:10:03 <Lefor> ah ok! 12:10:08 <Lefor> thank you very much! 12:10:17 <Keyboard_Warrior> i love how vp-8 has hardly been out and allready it looks like a patent pool for it and liscencing organization is imminent 12:10:45 <Keyboard_Warrior> the free software propaganda movement needed some credibility hits 12:11:52 <Noldo> what exactly are you trying to say? 12:12:16 <Rubidium> that he likes to pay for lawyers when buying software 12:12:27 <Keyboard_Warrior> Noldo, well, open source is fine and all, but theres been too much bashing of high quality, publicly developed and open standards 12:13:01 <Keyboard_Warrior> like h264 12:13:14 <Keyboard_Warrior> in favor of the mess that is vp8 12:13:24 <Eddi|zuHause> i should file a patent for "a method to press keys and cause a character to appear on a screen" and then sue everybod... 12:13:38 <Keyboard_Warrior> well, software patents is a non issue in most of the world 12:13:48 <Keyboard_Warrior> only applies in the us and germany nows? 12:14:02 <Keyboard_Warrior> and that german judgement is likely to get challenged soon enough 12:14:11 <Eddi|zuHause> Keyboard_Warrior: that's a lie, they constantly try to get software patents in europe through the back door... 12:14:14 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:14:23 <Keyboard_Warrior> Eddi|zuHause, well TRY sure, but the eu techincally forbids it 12:14:31 <Noldo> Keyboard_Warrior: so everybody should just licence h264, is that what you are trying to say? 12:14:31 <Keyboard_Warrior> and its not been implemented yet 12:15:24 <Keyboard_Warrior> Noldo, what i'm trying to say is that, mozilla get of your soapbox and just link up with dshow on windows, gstreamer on unixes and qt on macs to do video decoding that way 12:15:38 <Keyboard_Warrior> then nobody but americans has to pay decoder liscences :P 12:16:10 <Noldo> aha 12:16:19 <Keyboard_Warrior> also, mpeg-la will probably keep h264 royalty free for webcontent even after 2015 12:16:32 <Keyboard_Warrior> remember all the open source FUD about the h264 2010 royalties that never happened 12:16:35 <Rubidium> Keyboard_Warrior: then Americans don't pay, Mozilla gets sued for not paying it for them and Firefox is defacto dead 12:16:42 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 12:16:53 <Keyboard_Warrior> Rubidium, mozilla isnt providing a h264 decoder. in any way shape or form 12:16:55 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:17:08 <Keyboard_Warrior> thus can't be sued for violating h264 patents 12:17:12 <Keyboard_Warrior> *wouldnt be 12:17:18 <Rubidium> Keyboard_Warrior: so? They're allowing you to *use* it, right? 12:17:24 <Keyboard_Warrior> Rubidium, and most americans allready have h264 decoders on their pc's 12:17:27 <Keyboard_Warrior> without paying a dime for them 12:17:31 <Keyboard_Warrior> and mpeg-la has yet to sue anyone for it 12:17:44 <planetmaker> Keyboard_Warrior, that's not the point. You not paying doesn't mean that not another one paid 12:17:48 <Noldo> because someon is paying them enough 12:17:52 <planetmaker> ^ 12:18:01 <Keyboard_Warrior> Noldo, well yes, where mpeg-la actually makes money 12:18:04 <Rubidium> Keyboard_Warrior: it's like, when you're drunk at a company party get offered a taxi ride or a night at a hotel, but still decide to go home by car and crash. The company can be sued for those costs 12:18:07 <Keyboard_Warrior> is hardware products 12:18:21 <Keyboard_Warrior> Noldo, thats the one place they actually care 12:18:25 <Keyboard_Warrior> hardware products using h264 12:18:36 <Keyboard_Warrior> bluray players, hardware encoding equipment, ipods, 12:18:37 <Keyboard_Warrior> etc 12:18:40 <Keyboard_Warrior> cellphones 12:18:59 <Noldo> cellphones are not "hardware products" anymore 12:19:08 <Keyboard_Warrior> Noldo, but they have a hardware decoder built in 12:19:19 <Keyboard_Warrior> an asic to be exact 12:19:29 <Keyboard_Warrior> almost all modern cellphones, and sevrall less modern ones 12:19:32 <Keyboard_Warrior> have h264 asics 12:19:56 <Keyboard_Warrior> ofcourse, that only adds 0.2$ to each cellphones cost 12:20:04 <Noldo> well patents are completery FUD business anyway 12:20:12 <Keyboard_Warrior> thats how much a h264 liscence costs. 12:20:49 <Keyboard_Warrior> essentially, mpeg-la has a policy of, "never touch free/open applications" because thats where they get the good will for the format from 12:20:51 <Noldo> "We might have something on you so pay up, if you do we don't have show what we have" 12:21:11 <Keyboard_Warrior> Noldo, well thats the good thing about mpeg-la 12:21:19 <Keyboard_Warrior> all the patents they controll are listed publicly 12:21:39 <Keyboard_Warrior> and they provide something google wont for vp8 12:21:43 <Keyboard_Warrior> protection 12:21:58 <Noldo> so the patents covering VP8 are diffetent from the ones they already have? 12:22:11 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8062.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:22:16 <Keyboard_Warrior> well google refuses to help anyone sued over vp8 usage 12:22:19 <Keyboard_Warrior> they've said so publicly 12:22:22 <Eddi|zuHause> Keyboard_Warrior: that's exactly what the mafia does... it provides "protection" if you pay them... 12:22:36 <Keyboard_Warrior> mpeg-la will pay the full cost of any lawsuits related to h264 or any other standard you liscence from them 12:22:44 <Keyboard_Warrior> filed against you 12:22:51 <Keyboard_Warrior> so, if some patent troll emerges 12:22:54 <Keyboard_Warrior> it costs you no money at all 12:22:55 <Keyboard_Warrior> if you use h264 12:23:01 <Keyboard_Warrior> if you use vp8, you're a open target 12:23:14 <Rubidium> I doubt mpeg-la has enough money to outlast a few lawsuits 12:23:18 <__ln__> Keyboard_Warrior: how is all this related to OpenTTD? 12:23:27 <Keyboard_Warrior> __ln__, not really, but it is related toopen source 12:23:32 <Keyboard_Warrior> Rubidium, you forget how huge mpeg-la is 12:23:41 <Keyboard_Warrior> Rubidium, essentially, every major corperation ever, has a part in mpeg-la 12:23:48 <ccfreak2k> Rubidium, it might be important if OpenTTD: The Musical is ever to be made. 12:24:00 <ccfreak2k> Rather, 12:24:06 <ccfreak2k> __ln__, it might be important if OpenTTD: The Musical is ever to be made. 12:24:06 <Keyboard_Warrior> __ln__, well it would be the best way to implement a remote openttd feature 12:24:30 <Keyboard_Warrior> make a video output mode to openttd 12:24:50 <Keyboard_Warrior> and another viewer client that watches the video stream in real time and transmits mouse and keyboard stuffs the other way 12:25:13 <Keyboard_Warrior> this is allready doable with latencies of about 10ms (not counting network latency) 12:25:28 <Keyboard_Warrior> essentially letting you play 2k train games on your netbook 12:25:43 <Keyboard_Warrior> with huge maps 12:25:44 <Keyboard_Warrior> etc 12:25:53 <Rubidium> Keyboard_Warrior: I've been at such a patent "troll" company once; they're actually quite small 12:26:15 <Keyboard_Warrior> Rubidium, well mpeg-la has essentially all the big boys and corperations :P 12:26:26 <Rubidium> that have bought a license from them 12:26:31 <Keyboard_Warrior> Rubidium, no 12:26:39 <Keyboard_Warrior> that hold patents that mpeg-la liscences out 12:26:59 <Keyboard_Warrior> essentially, mpeg-la keeps track of who owns what parts of any open video standard 12:27:29 <Keyboard_Warrior> and then lets potential customers and users deal with 1 company 12:27:47 <Rubidium> oh, so they don't even own the licenses; how can they provide "protection" then? 12:27:47 <Keyboard_Warrior> instead of the sevral hundreds with patents pertaining to a certain video format 12:27:52 <Rubidium> some monthly fee? 12:28:02 <Keyboard_Warrior> Rubidium, well, without mpeg-la 12:28:07 <Keyboard_Warrior> the video formats wouldnt exist 12:28:21 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 12:28:21 <Keyboard_Warrior> and the patent holders would be stuck with a ton of patents that none of complete video formats 12:28:24 <Keyboard_Warrior> and would make them no money 12:28:27 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 12:28:33 <Keyboard_Warrior> without mpeg-la, all the patents are 100% useless and valueless 12:28:34 <Rubidium> without software patents, video formats would be a lot BETTER and mpeg-la wouldn't need to exist 12:28:42 <Keyboard_Warrior> Rubidium, well possibly 12:28:53 <Keyboard_Warrior> but do realize, most of the GOOD inventions in video formats 12:29:04 *** George is now known as Guest965 12:29:07 <Keyboard_Warrior> has come from companies competing in the mpeg processes 12:29:11 <Keyboard_Warrior> and trying to win patents 12:29:20 <Rubidium> possibly? Just look at the stupid work arounds needed because you don't want to infringe someone's patent and thus need to use some inferior technique 12:29:33 <Keyboard_Warrior> Rubidium, mpeg doesnt need to 12:29:45 <Keyboard_Warrior> mpeg-la as i said essentially controlls every video related patent around 12:30:00 <Keyboard_Warrior> so they are 100% free to use whatever tehcniques needed in their standards 12:30:18 <Keyboard_Warrior> these techniques was generally developed over sevral years using hundreds of people 12:30:19 <Rubidium> essentially doesn't mean everything is covered 12:30:21 <Keyboard_Warrior> and empiric testing 12:30:55 <Keyboard_Warrior> where as all the atempts at making open video formats from scratch 12:31:25 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 12:31:31 <Keyboard_Warrior> has been either very innefficient, (huffyuv) very niche (ffv1) very slow (snow) and unloved (dirac) 12:31:55 <Keyboard_Warrior> video formats require imense manpowers and skills to design propperly. 12:32:03 <Rubidium> because they can't use the techniques that are patented 12:32:12 <Keyboard_Warrior> Rubidium, they do though 12:32:17 <Keyboard_Warrior> all the times, and nobody cares 12:32:31 <Keyboard_Warrior> mpeg-la doesnt go after open source software 12:32:45 <Keyboard_Warrior> so all the designed from scratch open source formats 12:32:50 <Keyboard_Warrior> with the exeception of huffyuv 12:32:54 <Keyboard_Warrior> violates plenty of patents 12:32:58 <Keyboard_Warrior> on purpose 12:33:04 <Keyboard_Warrior> because they werent written in the us, and thus doesnt need to care 12:33:42 <Rubidium> and as a result can be banned from the US 12:34:09 <ccfreak2k> The guys of x264 probably knows this. 12:34:12 <Keyboard_Warrior> either way, the problem with an open video format is that open source developers has this tendency of "code first, think after" 12:34:27 <Keyboard_Warrior> ccfreak2k, well yeah, but 264 was written over 6 years now 12:34:31 <Keyboard_Warrior> 7 even 12:34:33 <Keyboard_Warrior> *x264 12:34:40 <Keyboard_Warrior> and it didnt have to design the standard 12:34:42 <Keyboard_Warrior> just implement it 12:35:03 *** Guest936 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:36:37 <Rubidium> for what it's worth, there are European software patents as well 12:36:54 <Rubidium> and it's not like they're bright and new ideas either 12:37:32 <Rubidium> "Automatic image data quality adjustment to reduce response time of a Web server" <- sounds quite a lot like a) thumbnails and b) progressive loading of (IIRC) gifs 12:38:28 <Rubidium> but then that patent has been filed in 1999 12:38:32 <Sacro> hehehehe, poor germans 12:38:53 <Sacro> Rubidium: don't judge a patent by its title 12:41:26 <Rubidium> anyhow, software patterns generally do more harm than good 12:41:36 <Keyboard_Warrior> in a lot of cases i agree 12:42:00 <Keyboard_Warrior> video formats is just something that requires multitalented people and a lot of time and a lot of meetings and discussions and debates and proposals and thel ikes 12:42:02 <Keyboard_Warrior> to be done well 12:42:30 *** fjb is now known as Guest967 12:42:32 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C942.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:42:40 <Keyboard_Warrior> i don't see how intel and samsung and the bbc and all the other major and minor players would be intrested in doing all that work if it didn't also grant them patents 12:43:50 <Sacro> You shouldn't be able to limit an idea, only an implementation 12:43:52 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 12:43:53 <Rubidium> software patents cost a lot of money in both filing (useless) paperwork and lawyers babbling about 12:43:58 <Lefor> Can i ask a question to patching process again? 12:44:22 <ccfreak2k> Rubidium, plus the poor schmuck that has to describe the damn thing in detail. 12:45:05 <Rubidium> not to mention the "engineers" of companies that for every algorithm they think of need to ask the legal department whether someone already uses that, thus needing to buy a license or whether to patent that theirselves 12:45:25 <Lefor> i get an error if i try the patch -p1 < patch.patch format: --> Couldn't reserve space for cygwin's heap, Win32 ... and so on 12:45:34 <Rubidium> even then you'll likely end up in a situation where multiple companies file the same patent around the the same time 12:45:57 <yorick> Lefor: what OS? 12:46:00 <fonsinchen> software patents are the corporate answer to the anticapitalist nature of free software. 12:46:07 <Lefor> Windows 7 (64Bit) 12:46:22 <yorick> Lefor: using cygwin or mingw? 12:46:24 <Rubidium> after all, most new development in a particular industry focuses on the same problems, thus gets the same solutions 12:46:36 <Lefor> mingw 12:46:36 <fonsinchen> If they weren't there they'd find some other way to restrict the danger arising from free software. 12:46:49 <yorick> Lefor: newest version? 12:47:00 <Rubidium> investing a year developing something and after that needing to pay another company money because they filed their fracking paperwork a day earlier 12:47:07 <Lefor> i think so :) downloaded yesterday 12:47:10 <Rubidium> isn't something that you'd like as company 12:47:27 <Lefor> maybe i should use an older version? 12:47:41 <yorick> Lefor: using the automised installer? 12:47:51 <Lefor> yes 12:48:11 <yorick> hmm I have no idea then 12:48:44 <Rubidium> this then causes companies to file a patent for each tiny bit of "I've come up with something new"-stuff, which make the queues at the patent office really huge; you now have to wait like 5 years before your patent is approved, but maybe another one was filed just before you and you still shipped it... oops you're liable for 5 years of patent infringement... yay! 12:49:33 *** Guest967 [~frank@p5485FA13.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:50:05 <fonsinchen> That's why they have patent pools: reviving the concept of mutually assured destruction 12:50:32 <fonsinchen> Let's just wait until someone drops the bomb and then it will be painfully obvious how software patents work 12:51:34 <Rubidium> just look at the fracking eolas patent... 12:53:26 <fonsinchen> That's not bad enough. If two major players, like IBM and MS, were starting a patent battle, now that would be a show. 12:53:36 * fonsinchen is looking forward to that 13:02:16 <Rubidium> the problem is that both companies have enough money and such to outlast such a patent battle 13:02:28 <Rubidium> and they'll probably just settle quite quickly 13:03:04 <Rubidium> due to $cost_of_lawyers > cost_of_settlement 13:03:15 <peter1138> heh, still this subject? 13:03:26 <Rubidium> no, again and again 13:05:35 <Rubidium> oh, and I think that the length of copyright being inversely related to the amount of profit might be a good strategy as well 13:06:04 <Rubidium> i.e. protect smaller musicians/film makers more than the huge ones 13:09:51 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe32dc00-253.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 13:12:58 <fonsinchen> copyright is a similar concept. Once copying of content became cheaper and cheaper, the industry started using copyright in order to be able to keep to an outdated model of distributing it. 13:13:55 <fonsinchen> It doesn't create inner conflicts between major players though. And it's not as "contagious" as patents. 13:14:17 <Rubidium> same with patents; a medicin that made a profit after 1 year doesn't need another 19 years of protection, but something that isn't as profitable might warrant a longer protection 13:14:47 <Rubidium> fonsinchen: still, 70+ years of copyright seems totally absurd 13:15:08 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:3c08:e01f:85ca:4ea0] has joined #openttd 13:15:11 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:15:31 <fonsinchen> Copyright in itself is absurd in a world where you can copy any file basically for free. 13:15:57 <Rubidium> and really, does avatar need to be a cash cow for the next 70+ years? Just make it a public thing and everyone (but the people profiting from copyright, read: lawyers) will be happy. 13:16:16 <fonsinchen> In the long term there just isn't any business to be made with selling copies of files. 13:17:31 <fonsinchen> Well, there are enough influential people opposing that move. In order to make that happen either that crowd needs to shrink or a substantial opposition needs to form 13:17:47 <fonsinchen> I suspect the former will happen in a few years. 13:18:36 <Rubidium> basically... too bad the world is losing it's democracies 13:18:41 <Sacro> its 13:18:42 <Rubidium> s/'// 13:19:25 <Rubidium> Sacro: I hate irregularities in languages, like that one 13:19:36 <fonsinchen> Western democracy has always worked that way. Lobbying and concentration of power is just part of the game. 13:20:35 <fonsinchen> Also social movements are, but I don't see a strong movement forming about this matter. 13:20:40 <Rubidium> not quite... companies (lobbist) are getting more and more power over time 13:21:13 <fonsinchen> yes, they have a strong lobby atm. 13:21:45 <Eddi|zuHause> democracies are always a balance between concentration of power and distribution of power 13:22:13 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: I think it's losing that balance quite rapidly lately 13:22:36 <Eddi|zuHause> where full concentration of power is a dictatorship and full distribution of power is anarchy 13:22:49 <Belugas> hello 13:23:00 <Rubidium> definitely going to dictatorship 13:24:18 <Rubidium> all the freedoms that are being taken from us lately for the 'sake' of (false) security 13:24:20 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not seeing that... the increased concentration of power in lobbyists has resulted in rising of new smaller parties 13:24:37 <Eddi|zuHause> as a balance for the "distribution" part 13:25:09 <Eddi|zuHause> of course, historically many democracies have had a swing towards dictatorship 13:25:21 <peter1138> this english/german briefing is awkward... 13:25:29 <peter1138> translators, dodgy mics... 13:25:45 *** nicfer1 [~nicfer@190.50.47.166] has joined #openttd 13:25:58 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: well, you people had the chance of speaking german, but you refused it :p 13:26:37 <peter1138> well you tried to force it before we were ready 13:26:45 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: ACTA doesn't sound very democratic, storing fingerprints of everyone (first steps to dictatorship) 13:27:18 <Rubidium> those internet filters popping up all over the world 13:27:26 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: i understand what you're saying... but that's only one (strong) movement among several 13:27:29 <planetmaker> 1984 or brave new world. Maybe those two visions are managed to be merged 13:27:37 <nicfer1> doesn't surprise me in such hypocresy land known as USA 13:28:09 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: the european parliament now has its chance to secure power in rising up against this movement 13:28:18 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: there might be some under currents trying to not let that happen, but those new parties don't have real power yet and as such can't do anything about it 13:28:37 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: it already threw out the SWIFT deal 13:28:42 <Eddi|zuHause> it can do the same with ACTA 13:28:51 <Rubidium> oh, they did... that's quite good news 13:28:51 <Eddi|zuHause> if they play their cards right 13:29:27 <Rubidium> I guess that's one of the reasons Japan doesn't use SWIFT :) 13:29:33 <Eddi|zuHause> it's not all bad, is what i'm saying :) 13:29:51 <fonsinchen> which parties are we talking about? The pirate party? come on ... 13:30:24 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: but currently the "bad" side seems to be winning; that might change in the future, but first we have to "suffer" 13:30:31 <Eddi|zuHause> fonsinchen: no, i mean the smaller parties (FDP, Green, Left) moving from 10% to 40% in the last decades 13:31:10 <Eddi|zuHause> fonsinchen: the pirate party is only at the very beginning of that proces... too early to decide if they're going to be successful 13:31:32 <fonsinchen> FDP certainly supports most of the things we are criticising here, and the greens are ambigous about most. 13:31:44 <fonsinchen> so, I don't see the point. 13:32:31 <fonsinchen> you can talk about the left party, but you can also see that as a new socialist party, replacing the SPD which isn't socialist anymore. 13:33:41 <Eddi|zuHause> fonsinchen: what i mean is independent from the particular partie's policies... i mean the large parties less and less cared about the "will of the voters", so the voters shift their opinion 13:34:06 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a process of counteracting the "concentration of power" (in lobbyists) 13:34:22 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a dynamic balance... so it shifts back and forth... 13:34:49 <fonsinchen> the voters' will is part of the problem, not part of the solution. Will doesn't form in free space. It's actually formed inside the political discourse. 13:34:51 <Eddi|zuHause> until it swings too far in one direction, which needs a full blown revolution to get out of 13:35:24 <nicfer1> is this #openttd or #politics? 13:35:31 <fonsinchen> :) 13:36:53 <TrueBrain> nicfer1: stupid question :p 13:37:12 <Belugas> what's new :) 13:37:21 <nicfer1> stupid off topic :) 13:37:59 <yorick> poli-offtopics 13:39:29 <Eddi|zuHause> what i mean is, as long as for every "concentration" movement whe have a balancing "distribution" movement, not all is lost in this world... 13:43:46 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 13:53:13 <Sacro> http://www.youtube.com/user/ottogunn?lol=cats#p/a/u/1/TXPQY_VRP6M XD 13:58:36 <Eddi|zuHause> "lol=cats" is a great parameter :p 13:59:19 <Eddi|zuHause> (but somehow, youtube doesn't work here anymore) 14:06:23 *** KouDy [~KouDy@rb5ck203.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 14:12:06 *** orudge_ [~orudge@75-149-149-225-Minnesota.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #openttd 14:13:25 <luddek> Where do I get openttd 1.0.1 binaries for mac? 14:15:40 <luddek> Ok i found it, http://gandalf.zernebok.com/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=48329&sid=4615ba40300c95444b2b7a9842db6fb0 14:15:48 *** KouDy [~KouDy@rb5ck203.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 14:15:48 *** nicfer1 [~nicfer@190.50.47.166] has left #openttd [] 14:15:53 *** KouDy [~KouDy@rb5ck203.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 14:17:07 <DJ_Nekkid> for anyone who might care; 2ccset 2.0 (beta1) is on bananas :) 14:29:26 <planetmaker> I guess that should warrant a test on the PS :-) 14:29:28 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:29:48 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8062.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:38:33 <DJ_Nekkid> :D 14:44:32 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 14:49:14 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-98.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 14:49:19 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:52:13 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C942.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:53:37 *** luddek [~ludde@h-92-160.A189.priv.bahnhof.se] has left #openttd [] 14:54:11 *** luddek [~ludde@h-92-160.A189.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 14:59:18 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:02:47 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 15:09:42 <Goulp> @seen beerface 15:09:42 <DorpsGek> Goulp: beerface was last seen in #openttd 4 days, 19 hours, 40 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <beerface> planetmaker: what do you mean hacked servers? 15:09:51 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC548B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:10:14 <planetmaker> :-) 15:11:57 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Administr@89.246.173.148] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:14:35 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DB6ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:15:40 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 15:17:27 *** Devedse [30302@cis.HZeeland.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:19:13 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 15:20:18 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba979e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:20:40 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:23:27 *** tycoondemon [~thok@cc64025-c.hnglo1.ov.home.nl] has quit [] 15:24:23 *** Sm0_ck [~thok@cc64025-c.hnglo1.ov.home.nl] has joined #openttd 15:27:12 *** Sm0_ck is now known as fdagsfgf 15:28:07 <erani> has anyone faced any odd issues with music playback in ubuntu (10.04)? i have tried to install openmsx both manually and from openttd download menu and selected them from settings but they still won't play 15:29:19 <peter1138> have you set up a midi synth? 15:29:54 <planetmaker> erani: have you also enabled sound in the jukebox? 15:30:03 <planetmaker> You need to start music there, too 15:30:36 <erani> planetmaker: yes I have, but it just scrolls through all songs with enormous speed without actually playing them 15:30:46 <planetmaker> hm... might be worth to move the juke box actually to the joint user settings. Another issue actually :-) 15:30:51 *** fdagsfgf is now known as tycoondemon 15:31:01 <planetmaker> hm, ok 15:31:15 <erani> peter1138: um, I'm not sure what you mean 15:33:59 *** tycoondemon [~thok@cc64025-c.hnglo1.ov.home.nl] has quit [] 15:34:38 *** asnoehu [~thok@cc64025-c.hnglo1.ov.home.nl] has joined #openttd 15:35:07 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn13-2-0-cust478.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:35:28 *** asnoehu [~thok@cc64025-c.hnglo1.ov.home.nl] has quit [] 15:36:06 *** asnoehu [~thok@cc64025-c.hnglo1.ov.home.nl] has joined #openttd 15:36:08 <OwenS> Too.... hot.... 15:37:30 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:41:17 *** asnoehu [~thok@cc64025-c.hnglo1.ov.home.nl] has quit [] 15:41:54 *** asnoehu [~thok@cc64025-c.hnglo1.ov.home.nl] has joined #openttd 15:43:14 *** k0r [~l0l@58.187.76.91] has joined #openttd 15:43:44 *** k0r [~l0l@58.187.76.91] has left #openttd [] 15:48:33 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 15:51:31 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:53:25 <__ln__> http://www.google.com/ 15:53:27 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19873 /trunk/src/pathfinder/yapf/yapf_road.cpp: -Fix [FS#3817]: if the (guessed initial) destination tile of a road stop wasn't a road stop but was a T-junction or turn, the road vehicles would jump around in circles 15:56:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19874 /trunk/src/ (string.cpp string_func.h): -Fix [FS#3845]: NetBSD compilation was still broken in some cases (Krille) 15:56:37 *** asnoehu [~thok@cc64025-c.hnglo1.ov.home.nl] has quit [] 15:58:18 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:00:04 *** Eoin [eoin@cpc1-dund8-0-0-cust3.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:03:43 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19875 /branches/1.0/src/ (11 files in 5 dirs): 16:03:43 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: [1.0] -Backport from trunk: 16:03:43 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Fix: NetBSD compilation was still broken in some cases [FS#3845] (r19874, r19859) 16:03:43 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Fix: If the (guessed initial) destination tile of a road vehicle was not a road stop but was a T-junction or turn, the road vehicles would jump around in circles [FS#3817] (r19873) 16:03:43 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Fix: When a network connection gets lost and a game with AIs was loaded the client might crash due to the AIs not being loaded while the game loop is executed [FS#3819] (r19869) 16:03:43 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Fix: Use non-breaking spaces for currency pre-/postfixes (r19867) 16:03:45 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Fix: Crash when changing/viewing locale settings in the console [FS#3830] (r19865, r19864, r19863, r19862) 16:07:47 *** xOR^away is now known as xOR 16:08:30 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.18.58] has joined #openttd 16:08:50 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: towns replacing road types could have certain problems :P 16:09:07 <andythenorth> One possibility I am pondering is restricting some vehicles to dirt roads 16:09:30 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: maybe needs another flag "may not be replaced by towns" 16:09:52 <andythenorth> or towns can't replace company owned roads? 16:09:54 <andythenorth> or something 16:10:07 *** asnoehu [~thok@cc64025-c.hnglo1.ov.home.nl] has joined #openttd 16:10:09 <andythenorth> it's all rather theoretical at the moment :) 16:10:31 <andythenorth> bulldozers are not usually welcome on asphalt :P 16:10:35 <Eddi|zuHause> well, the point is, that towns should not be severely restricted by placing roads early 16:10:48 *** asnoehu is now known as tycoondemon 16:11:13 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: but isn't that a "good" restriction, that you can't use them in populated areas? 16:11:39 <andythenorth> not if it causes routing problems on established routes :P 16:11:49 <andythenorth> it might be a bad idea anyway :) 16:12:35 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: i'm still not convinced ;) 16:13:23 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: the point is that towns may grow and say "we don't allow this vehicle type on our roads anymore" 16:13:36 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: for clarification, my proposed restriction on bulldozers might be bad 16:13:54 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, i understood that 16:14:03 <andythenorth> we could equally prevent trucks >15t from entering town etc....but it might be unwise? 16:18:48 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C00F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:22:43 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.18.107] has joined #openttd 16:23:41 *** Lefor [~chatzilla@mnhm-4d01af57.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:24:06 *** xOR [xor@the.x-base.org] has left #openttd [Closed channel window] 16:25:06 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8062.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:27:38 *** JostVice [~jostvice@85.136.129.22.dyn.user.ono.com] has left #openttd [] 16:29:20 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba979e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:29:57 <Eddi|zuHause> althoug that is rare, it's not "unrealistic" per se... 16:33:28 *** JVassie_ [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:33:55 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 16:40:42 <Belugas> that wold just be a new rule :) 16:40:56 <Belugas> nothing wrong by me 16:41:16 <Belugas> fact is, i like that 16:43:22 <erani> hmmh, tried installing timidity package but still not working. it stopped scrolling the songs in high-speed now but I can't hear the music 16:44:25 <erani> sounds are working though :S 16:48:09 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f601c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:52:01 *** Alberth1 [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:52:01 *** Alberth is now known as Guest997 16:52:01 *** Alberth1 is now known as Alberth 16:53:23 <Eddi|zuHause> erani: can you try to play the songs directly with timidity? 16:53:30 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.18.58] has quit [] 16:53:51 <Eddi|zuHause> erani: possibly your mixer set the volume to 0? 16:57:42 *** Guest997 [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:09:07 <SmatZ> google gone pacman today? 17:09:19 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 17:11:00 <erani> Eddi|zuHause: no they don't play. and didn't spot timidity column in alsamixer :S 17:11:11 <erani> seems that this MIDI problem is an ubuntu issue 17:11:29 <glx> SmatZ: yes 30 years 17:11:38 <erani> hmm, I'll do some research later in the evening and report how it goes :) 17:11:40 <Eddi|zuHause> have you read the known bugs section about ubuntu problems? 17:12:39 <SmatZ> glx: nice :) 17:14:26 <erani> Eddi|zuHause: yes I have. but I'm not sure if is spesifically a pulseaudio issue 17:14:53 <glx> it's specific to ubuntu 17:16:22 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe32dc00-253.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 17:16:47 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:20:48 <erani> ah. just restarting both alsa and pulseaudio did the trick 17:23:55 *** TheMask96 [martijn@lust.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:28:05 *** KouDy [~KouDy@rb5ck203.net.upc.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:34:33 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 17:38:58 *** Yexo [~Yexo@183-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Quit: bye] 17:41:14 *** Lefor [~chatzilla@mnhm-4d01af57.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:41:59 <erani> thanks for helping though :) 17:42:26 *** amalloy1 [~Alan@c-67-180-16-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 17:43:13 *** amalloy1 [~Alan@c-67-180-16-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has left #openttd [] 17:44:47 <Eddi|zuHause> so... frosch123 is "recycling" nowadays ;) 17:45:08 <frosch123> :p 17:45:15 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 17:48:56 <planetmaker> lol :-) 17:49:39 *** Alberth1 [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:49:39 *** Alberth is now known as Guest1004 17:49:39 *** Alberth1 is now known as Alberth 17:50:18 <planetmaker> every electron used to play this game is purely recycled electricity? 17:51:32 * planetmaker wonders whether the android SDK is any good 17:56:19 *** Guest1004 [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:19:36 <Alberth> it probably beats manually entering binary code 18:20:22 <Alberth> would some rail road diagrams to explain the nml grammar be any good? 18:21:28 *** Lefor [~chatzilla@mnhm-4d01af57.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:22:34 <planetmaker> rail road diagrammes to explain NML? 18:34:03 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@93.21.13.171] has joined #openttd 18:34:03 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.18.107] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:35:10 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:42:15 <frosch123> hmm, video tutorial for coding nfo 18:43:29 <Alberth> planetmaker: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syntax_diagram 18:43:42 *** Wasila [~Wasila@81-178-69-164.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 18:45:11 <planetmaker> he... :-) I wouldn't have expected a technical term like that behind those innocent words :-) 18:45:18 <planetmaker> thanks :-9 18:45:20 <planetmaker> :-) 18:47:19 <planetmaker> but seems they're even understandable without knowledge of what railroad diagrammes are :-) 18:48:40 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host138-233-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:48:41 <Alberth> that's the power of those diagrams, unlike the parser LALR(1) rules :) 18:48:47 <Alberth> Hai Wolf01 18:48:59 <Wolf01> hello 18:49:06 <Wolf01> hai Alberth 18:50:20 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 18:50:53 *** George is now known as Guest1017 18:52:24 <__ln__> hello Wolf01 18:52:45 <Wolf01> buona sera __ln__ 18:54:13 <__ln__> Wolf01: ¿vas a participar en la fiesta de openttd r20000 en junio, en alemania? 18:54:56 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C00F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:56:23 <Wolf01> I don't know if I can have time on june, maybe in july or august :P 18:56:30 *** Guest965 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:57:16 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-62-86.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 18:57:23 <__ln__> i don't think there's going to be another meeting that soon. :/ 18:58:36 <andythenorth> hi hi 18:58:42 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C00F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:01:31 <Belugas> r100000 19:05:52 <Alberth> nah, r65636 19:06:04 <Alberth> r65536 event 19:06:05 <planetmaker> -100? 19:06:42 <planetmaker> @calc exp(1) 19:06:42 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 2.71828182846 19:07:03 <planetmaker> before that there might be r27182 :-P and 31415 ;-) 19:07:16 <Alberth> r74565 19:07:28 <Alberth> planetmaker: the latter already has its own day 19:07:44 <planetmaker> hm? 19:08:04 <Alberth> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi_Day 19:08:29 <planetmaker> oh, you really meant that one. Yes 19:08:55 <frosch123> obvious 31415 needs committing on pi day 19:09:10 * Alberth nods 19:09:50 <planetmaker> :-) That'd need quite careful planning, eh? 19:10:28 <Alberth> why? at worst we all have almost a year vacation :p 19:10:33 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C00F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:12:02 * andythenorth is at 15230 19:12:15 <andythenorth> dunno what you're all talking about 19:20:22 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:26:58 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC548B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:28:05 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC6991.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:38:07 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-72-20.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 19:44:26 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r19876 /trunk/src/vehicle_gui.h: -Fix (r14104): it was not possible to send all trains with common waypoint order to depot 19:51:15 *** Wasila [~Wasila@81-178-69-164.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:51:40 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-72-20.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:51:42 *** Weeknie [~Maarten_S@84.27.14.168] has joined #openttd 19:51:49 <Weeknie> sorry you guys had to miss me, back agian 19:52:29 <Eddi|zuHause> well, we have 5 years of careful planning ahead, to commit r31415 on 3/14/15 :p 19:52:42 <Weeknie> Lol:P 19:52:47 <Weeknie> That's some carefull planning indeed:P 19:53:11 <Weeknie> But 19:53:12 <Weeknie> Why? 19:53:22 <Weeknie> (as in why that special day) 19:53:33 <yorick> 3.1415 19:53:41 <Weeknie> Oh I see 19:53:43 <Eddi|zuHause> because if you don't get it, you don't need to know 19:53:51 <Weeknie> thanks yorick, didn't notice that;P 19:54:11 <Eddi|zuHause> and yorick is a big spoiler... 19:54:36 <yorick> yw 19:54:47 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, my guess is we reach that a lot earlier 19:54:55 <Weeknie> Lol 19:55:00 <Weeknie> I must definetly agree 19:55:10 <Weeknie> erm, well, that was supposed to be a most, but must works too 19:58:03 *** Jolteon [~rdl@5ad09081.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 19:59:39 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 20:00:13 *** George is now known as Guest1027 20:01:02 *** Jolteon` [~jolt@ip04.rdlbnc.com] has quit [Quit: Bye Guiz!] 20:03:16 *** Jolteon` [~jolt@ip23.rdlbnc.com] has joined #openttd 20:03:47 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0b8db7.bb.sky.com] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by beer] 20:04:25 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0b8db7.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 20:05:53 *** Guest1017 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:14:51 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 20:16:51 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.simcityplaza.de/images/stories/NAM/T_RAM3/rhw_3_0 7.jpg <-- we need those in openttd :( 20:17:04 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.simcityplaza.de/images/stories/NAM/T_RAM3/rhw_3_0%207.jpg 20:17:11 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba979e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:19:14 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 20:19:53 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:21:54 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-98.york.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:22:50 <frosch123> i cannot remember seeing a tramline with two platforms but only one track 20:23:19 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:23:30 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a turning loop 20:23:42 <frosch123> i mean the one at the top 20:24:03 <Weeknie> The whut 20:24:08 <Weeknie> What mod is that? 20:24:16 <Weeknie> I need that in my sim city lol 20:24:26 <Eddi|zuHause> Weeknie: it's the "NAM 2010" mod 20:24:36 <Weeknie> Thanks;) 20:24:52 <Weeknie> Oh btw, could you perhaps help me with grfcodec 20:24:56 <Weeknie> It doesn't seem to be working 20:25:05 <Weeknie> Whatever I do, whatever command I give it 20:25:13 <Weeknie> It just keeps giving the help message 20:25:25 <frosch123> what did you type? 20:25:34 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: well, theoretically both tram platforms should be on the same side, but that's difficult to achieve since that's a "normal" tram stop built into the turning loop 20:25:45 <Weeknie> For instance, grfcodec -d dutchtrainsw.grf 20:25:53 <Weeknie> That should work to decode it right? 20:26:15 <Eddi|zuHause> you should add -p2, but theoretically that should work 20:26:34 <Weeknie> Just gives me the help message:S 20:27:42 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: do we need the actual loop, or to modify tram turning behaviour? 20:27:46 <frosch123> works for me. it create a "sprites" directory with a nfo and a pcx 20:27:53 <andythenorth> routing tram tracks in cities can be...bizarre sometimes 20:28:01 <Weeknie> frosch123, are you on windows? 20:28:04 <frosch123> no 20:28:08 <Weeknie> Lol 20:28:12 <Weeknie> Was afraid you were gonna say that 20:28:29 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: both, we need the double platform at the loop to allow overtaking at the turning point 20:29:09 <Eddi|zuHause> so one tram can perform its scheduled wait time, while the other tram that was stuck behind can catch up with its timetable 20:29:49 <Belugas> time to go bye 20:29:57 <Alberth> bye Belugas 20:30:28 <Weeknie> frosch123, I guess you got the linux version of grfcodec, you just pasted those 3 files to your bin and then it worked? 20:30:38 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: we need lots of things :P How would that one be implemented (in terms of tiles, construction etc)? 20:30:43 <andythenorth> does it need a state machine? 20:30:49 <planetmaker> bye bye Belugas 20:30:55 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: yes, it does need a state machine (airport-style) 20:31:14 <frosch123> Weeknie: i compiled r2125 myself 20:31:22 <Weeknie> Hmm I see 20:31:33 <Weeknie> Lemme try that myself 20:31:48 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:31:51 <Eddi|zuHause> first part of the state machine must guide the tram along the track, and second part the state machine must stop a third tram before the switch (like a presignal) 20:32:36 <andythenorth> is the existing non-drive-through road stop a state machine? 20:32:48 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 20:32:59 <Eddi|zuHause> problem is, the current state machines can't handle articulated vehicles 20:33:06 <andythenorth> would you need two-tiles width for the kind of stop you propose? 20:33:13 <andythenorth> as that will be difficult to place in towns 20:33:20 <Eddi|zuHause> that includes the proposed airport state machines 20:33:40 <Eddi|zuHause> typically you put turning loops at the outskirts of towns, so you should have space ;) 20:33:50 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, i was thinking 2x2 or 2x3 20:33:57 <Weeknie> Agreed with Eddi|zuHause ther 20:33:58 <Weeknie> there* 20:34:43 <Eddi|zuHause> historically, early trams did not have turning loops, but went backwards... but someone decided that trams in openttd shouldn't do that 20:35:15 <Eddi|zuHause> turning loops were introduced because they allow longer trams 20:35:37 <Eddi|zuHause> and modern trams have multi traction support, so they can again go backwards while still being long 20:35:54 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 20:47:32 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-98.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 20:51:14 <frosch123> hmm, i should have called it 'feature' 20:51:23 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r19877 /trunk/src/ (lang/english.txt newgrf.cpp strings.cpp): -Change: Name invalid engines, cargos and industries 'invalid', if the player removed the supplying NewGRFs. 20:52:28 <frosch123> i accept bets, how many complains related to that change are raised till the end of month :) 20:53:48 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:04:22 <andythenorth> 3 21:04:30 <andythenorth> what are the betting prices? 21:05:15 <frosch123> hmm, maybe 250g chocolate cookies? 21:05:24 <Weeknie> erm, frosch123, had any problems compiling grfcodec yourself? 21:05:56 <frosch123> Weeknie: did you got a grfcodec executable? if yes, ignore other errors 21:06:04 <Weeknie> I did not 21:06:07 <Weeknie> That's the problem 21:06:34 <frosch123> well, then i likely got not those problems 21:06:36 <Eddi|zuHause> i needed to install a newer version of boost 21:06:40 <Weeknie> For some reason the compiler finds that "mkdir" doesn't exist in a function's scope, while it DOES exist in another file in exactly the same slope 21:06:51 <Weeknie> erm 21:06:52 <Weeknie> boost? 21:07:03 <frosch123> fat c++ template libary 21:07:12 <Weeknie> m'kay 21:07:14 <Weeknie> fetchingz 21:09:37 <Weeknie> Any idea what lines like "Warning: .drectve `-aligncomm:___mingw_gMTRemoveKeyDtor,2 ' unrecognized" are supposed to mean/could hint to? 21:11:17 <Weeknie> A fat c++ lib indeed 21:11:58 *** TB [~patric@145.118.72.132] has joined #openttd 21:11:58 *** TrueBrain [~patric@145.118.72.132] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:17:03 <Weeknie> Damn I really should work with linux more often 21:17:56 <Weeknie> There it goes again about the mkdir thing... 21:29:47 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 21:38:40 <__ln__> hmm, so talia shire is the aunt of nicolas cage? 21:39:01 <Weeknie> Apparently yeah 21:42:14 *** orudge_ [~orudge@75-149-149-225-Minnesota.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:43:27 <Eddi|zuHause> who? 21:43:58 <Rubidium> the doctor? 21:44:43 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 21:50:08 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@93.21.13.171] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:52:45 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:52:55 *** Weeknie [~Maarten_S@84.27.14.168] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:53:40 *** Jolteon [~rdl@5ad09081.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 21:54:11 *** Jolteon` [~jolt@ip23.rdlbnc.com] has quit [Quit: Forced Reconnection [IP Address Re-Assign]] 21:55:16 *** Jolteon [~jolt@ip18.rdlbnc.com] has joined #openttd 22:03:30 <__ln__> Eddi|zuHause: the one who plays adrian in 'rocky'. 22:03:57 <Eddi|zuHause> i have never seen rocky... 22:04:14 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 22:09:45 <__ln__> you've missed something then 22:11:11 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@f234099.upc-f.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 22:14:08 <Wolf01> 'night 22:14:11 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host138-233-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:15:47 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@f234099.upc-f.chello.nl] has quit [] 22:15:59 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 22:16:13 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@f234099.upc-f.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 22:16:20 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@f234099.upc-f.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:18:04 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-72-20.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 22:28:40 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B98E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:32:13 <frosch123> night 22:32:17 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f601c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:34:05 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... anybody know how i can teach "wget -m" to replace "?" in links with something more valid in filenames? 22:36:43 <Eddi|zuHause> currently, it creates files with "xxx.php?xyz" as filenames, but opening the links to those in the browser will try to open "xxx.php" with the parameter "xyz", which obviously fails 22:42:31 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DB6ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... Der, der blÀht, als hinterster geht!] 23:07:21 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C00F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:11:41 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:12:36 <glx> Eddi|zuHause: -E | --html-extension 23:13:12 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 23:13:38 <glx> it will save it as "xxx.php?xyz.html" if I understand the doc 23:19:41 <Terkhen> good night 23:28:22 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:28:34 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 23:29:24 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.83.181] has quit [Quit: ãããã¿ãªãã] 23:30:28 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 23:34:06 <Eddi|zuHause> glx: how will that help? 23:34:34 <Eddi|zuHause> glx: the ? is the problem, as it has special meaning in URLs 23:34:50 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC6991.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!] 23:34:58 <Eddi|zuHause> it must be replaced by a character that does not have special meaning 23:35:57 <glx> "This is useful, for instance, when you're mirroring a remote site that uses .asp pages, but you want the mirrored pages to be viewable on your stock Apache server." <-- that's what manpage says 23:37:06 <glx> --restrict-file-names=mode 23:37:21 <glx> this looks better 23:41:48 <Eddi|zuHause> that might be the one i'm looking for 23:52:49 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-98.york.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:53:12 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-98.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 23:55:57 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@ip-33-137-106-77.eidsiva.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:56:49 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]