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I have to go to the bakery :S 07:25:03 <planetmaker> but it's raining cats and dogs 07:25:07 <planetmaker> :-( 07:25:09 <Mazur> Not here. 07:25:15 <moiz> hayy 07:25:17 <Mazur> Sunny and warm. 07:25:21 <moiz> guys i need some help 07:25:32 <Mazur> You could go naked to the stores, here. 07:25:50 <Mazur> Tell us about it, Moiz. 07:25:56 <moiz> well.. 07:26:22 <moiz> my problem is regarding congestion in big cities 07:26:32 <planetmaker> Mazur: I could here, too. But it'd draw more attention than I'd like and it wouldn't be comfortably warm either 07:26:43 <Mazur> use a laxative. 07:26:44 <moiz> all the roads get blocked 07:26:51 <moiz> due to so many road vehicles 07:26:57 <planetmaker> build less 07:27:09 <moiz> well the AI makes a lot of them 07:27:10 <moiz> . 07:27:10 <moiz> . 07:27:15 <planetmaker> place stations and set orders more intelligently 07:27:21 <planetmaker> and avoid the routes the AI blocks 07:27:41 <moiz> how to set a route for RVs 07:27:53 <moiz> there isnt waypoints for RVs 07:27:54 <moiz> :/ 07:28:02 <planetmaker> by placing stations and using them as waypoints 07:28:06 <moiz> they travel by their own will 07:28:07 <planetmaker> using the "go via" orders 07:28:11 <planetmaker> they don't 07:28:24 <moiz> hmm 07:28:43 <moiz> thanx planet 07:28:47 <planetmaker> yw 07:28:48 <moiz> i guess this will help 07:29:40 <planetmaker> using one-way roads may sometimes help, too :-) 07:30:07 <moiz> well i cant make town roads one way :/ 07:30:20 <planetmaker> maybe just making some single road tiles one-way so that vehicles don't go there the other direction 07:30:23 <planetmaker> you can't? 07:30:35 <planetmaker> I bet you can. You might need to allow building on town roads 07:30:41 <planetmaker> It's somewhere in the adv. settings 07:30:42 <moiz> ohhh 07:30:47 <moiz> yesss 07:31:03 <moiz> i thought it only enables you to build buss bays 07:31:04 <moiz> . 07:31:17 <moiz> well if we assign one way to a road 07:31:29 <moiz> only my vehicles will follow that order? 07:31:34 <moiz> . 07:31:39 <moiz> AI vehicles wont? 07:31:41 <planetmaker> it's a one-way road then. For everyone 07:31:56 <moiz> well this can help i guess 07:32:14 <planetmaker> it's not like one-way roads in my town need not be followed by people from other towns on visit here ;-) 07:32:56 <moiz> but it will alter the AI routes too 07:33:11 <moiz> so i was wondering... will they follow that or not.. 07:33:44 <moiz> . 07:33:58 <moiz> actually.. 07:34:26 <moiz> the prob i face is this that 07:34:40 <moiz> AI makes a lot of vehicles 07:35:24 <moiz> and there is like of line 50 vehicles being created 07:35:30 <moiz> blocking all the ways 07:35:33 <moiz> :D 07:35:36 <moiz> . 07:35:40 <planetmaker> yeah. Just don't use RV where the AI uses them in this number 07:35:50 <planetmaker> there are more profitable routes, if you use trains anyway 07:36:07 <moiz> i can limit the no of vehicles AI use 07:36:32 <moiz> because i fail to manage so much road traffic :( 07:37:02 <planetmaker> well, but RV is what AIs are best at. So if you want some competition, let them build some RV 07:37:13 <moiz> . 07:37:15 <moiz> . 07:37:29 <planetmaker> please avoid these silly pointless "." lines 07:37:44 <moiz> sorry.. 07:38:08 <__ln__> why the hell did you type those anyway? 07:38:26 <moiz> so.. can i limit the no of bus bays a person can built in a city 07:38:31 <moiz> well im fond of it 07:38:42 <planetmaker> you can't limit the amout of stations per city 07:38:50 <moiz> when ever i end my statement.. i used it as a breaker 07:39:15 <planetmaker> That's why one can finish sentences with a ".". 07:39:19 <moiz> so that when the next one responds.. i can distinguisg the reply easily 07:39:20 <moiz> :) 07:39:32 <planetmaker> use a proper IRC client to distinguish different people 07:39:42 <planetmaker> but don't force that onto others who do 07:40:10 <moiz> well actually im using irc for the first time 07:40:18 <planetmaker> :-) 07:40:25 <moiz> so dun know its rules and regulations 07:40:52 <planetmaker> you survived the first step well: you had patience. You didn't expect a reply in 2 minutes ;-) 07:41:13 <moiz> :D 07:41:17 <planetmaker> and: 07:41:19 <planetmaker> @topic -1 07:41:19 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: topic [<channel>] 07:41:23 <planetmaker> @topic get -1 07:41:23 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: Don't ask to ask, just ask 07:41:36 <planetmaker> ^ also quite important 07:41:47 <planetmaker> the people can answer if they know and have time 07:42:11 <planetmaker> asking whether <someone> knows <something> about <something else> is... mostly not giving you replies you might expect 07:42:20 <moiz> and can i limit the no of buss and loading stations one can make in a specifin city.. a question.. 07:42:43 <planetmaker> [09:38] <planetmaker> you can't limit the amout of stations per city 07:43:21 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 07:43:24 <moiz> amount of stations per city per player... what about it? 07:43:35 <moiz> ohh sorry 07:43:41 <planetmaker> note: I didn't say that you 'violated' the rule 'don't ask to ask'. It was rather an explanation what will not work 07:43:46 <moiz> i read it as you can* 07:44:30 <moiz> thankyou planet 07:44:36 <moiz> for ur time 07:44:36 <moiz> :) 07:45:06 <planetmaker> rain stopped. I'm off to the bakery 07:45:42 <moiz> nice talking to you 07:45:45 <moiz> take cares 07:45:45 <moiz> :) 07:45:48 *** moiz [~moiz@mbl-82-49-104.dsl.net.pk] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 07:48:51 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 08:05:12 <Terkhen> good morning 08:05:21 <planetmaker> morning Terkhen 08:11:59 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BDC5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:12:41 *** last_evolution [~last_evol@r5ba58.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 08:24:36 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:26:55 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-40-252.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:28:44 *** Weeknie [~Maarten_S@84.27.14.168] has joined #openttd 08:28:59 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-57-59.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 08:29:02 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 08:43:30 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:50:23 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe32dc00-253.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 08:52:07 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba91c0.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 08:55:33 *** Adambean [CG1@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 09:13:50 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.13.171] has joined #openttd 09:22:55 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f61ac.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 09:27:02 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DB416.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:27:46 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 09:33:47 *** moiz [~moiz@mbl-82-49-104.dsl.net.pk] has joined #openttd 09:44:43 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DB416.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... Der, der blÀht, als hinterster geht!] 09:53:46 <Ammler> someone a explaination for http://pastebin.com/EV5RSrVV :-) 09:57:43 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:58:44 <Alberth> cat test | xxd ; ssh -qt localhost cat test > xxd 09:59:28 <Alberth> oh | xxd at the end 10:01:51 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn13-2-0-cust478.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 10:03:34 <moiz> hi 10:03:47 <Alberth> hi 10:04:48 <moiz> how are you? 10:05:12 <Alberth> too busy, last free day this week, and too many things to do 10:07:50 *** tycoondemon [~thok@cc64025-c.hnglo1.ov.home.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:09:41 <moiz> i wanted to ask if you can use traffic signals GRF with openttd 1.0.1 10:10:11 <peter1138> nope, it's for a patch 10:11:37 <moiz> cant we patch openttd 1.0.1 to include it? 10:11:48 <Alberth> moiz: see, this works much better, I would not have known that answer. 10:12:15 <moiz> thanx alberth 10:12:41 <Alberth> traffic signals is somewhere in the development forum? 10:12:58 <moiz> yess.. openttd development 10:13:12 <moiz> traffic lights 10:15:55 <Alberth> you can build your own patched version, but it is not 1.0.1 any more then 10:17:56 <Alberth> do you have an URL to the thread? 10:18:33 <peter1138> Ammler, new unix2dos tool? :p 10:18:52 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 10:18:59 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC7A31.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:19:00 <moiz> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=36261&hilit=openttd+1.0.1 10:19:09 <moiz> thats the thread 10:19:29 <moiz> and i dun know how to patch.. :$ 10:19:40 <moiz> i just know how to install GRFs 10:20:02 *** Xaroth_ [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 10:20:26 <Ammler> I need to quote the ssh command 10:20:51 <Ammler> or no -t 10:21:01 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-72-20.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:22:27 <Alberth> moiz: in the first post, at the top, there is a link to the patch and to a win32 binary. 10:22:50 <Alberth> if you are using windows, that would be an option 10:23:50 <Alberth> moiz: otherwise, first install a c++ compiler, learn how to get and compile a program, then learn to patch 10:24:13 <peter1138> Ammler, why would you add -t anyway? 10:24:23 <Ammler> yes, useless 10:24:34 <moiz> thanx alberth 10:24:36 <Ammler> I thought, that is needed to execute commands like that 10:24:38 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:25:02 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 10:25:16 *** moiz [~moiz@mbl-82-49-104.dsl.net.pk] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 10:25:20 <peter1138> -q isn't needed either... 10:25:21 <Ammler> something I once did and then automatically used always... 10:28:01 <peter1138> heh 10:29:34 *** Xaroth_ [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:30:02 *** Xaroth_ [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 10:30:53 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has 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+ size + rotation if a map is selected 17:46:03 <Terkhen> also for creating flat land at the SE, I guess 17:47:03 <planetmaker> Yes, I'd use the very same 17:47:16 <planetmaker> makes for higher re-recognition of things 17:47:28 <planetmaker> only thing I'm not sure about is the load scenario thingy 17:47:57 <Terkhen> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=41446 <-- I was thinking about this old patch 17:48:16 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r19893 /trunk/src/lang/ (7 files): (log message trimmed) 17:48:16 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:48:16 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: danish - 22 changes by silentStatic 17:48:16 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: indonesian - 4 changes by prof 17:48:16 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: italian - 1 changes by lorenzodv 17:48:17 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: polish - 4 changes by silver_777 17:48:17 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: romanian - 6 changes by tonny 17:48:24 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/openttd-gui <-- that's what currently exists 17:48:50 <Terkhen> I have tried to clone it but my internet is being stupid today :) 17:49:13 <planetmaker> I haven't actually touched that window. But it should / could link to the same 17:49:32 <planetmaker> It'd need only adding the flatland height widgets 17:49:39 <planetmaker> and the flatland widget 17:50:31 <planetmaker> It should not be a big thing. It'd just need adding those buttons and a few more conditionals 17:50:34 <Terkhen> the flat land widget could disable all widgets that are not used in that case, to make things more clear (clicking on generate would create the flat scenario) 17:50:53 <planetmaker> One thing I fear about though: It's getting a hell of a bloated window, if tabs are truely added 17:51:10 <planetmaker> Terkhen: yeah... or just add a new tab :-) 17:51:37 <planetmaker> which shows only the scenario editor things. But I guess just disabling those is in this case more logical 17:55:11 <planetmaker> http://wiki.openttd.org/GUI_re-arrangement <-- Like exchange those two lines with "variety distribution" and "smoothness" by something else is what I do 17:56:46 <Terkhen> for code bloatness, you could define the contents of each tab as different windows and make them work together somehow... but that would be very confusing 17:57:26 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF86C4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:57:39 <planetmaker> http://img.openttdcoop.org/images/bildschdh.png <-- same with heightmap selected 17:57:44 <planetmaker> Terkhen: yeah, somehow 17:58:05 <planetmaker> As I see it Alberth used some higher-order abstraction for the three window parts of the newgrf window 17:58:46 <planetmaker> Such approach might make sense, too. Though IMHO it looks codewise like stretching the window system a bit beyond what it was designed to ;-) 17:59:15 <Alberth> basically moving as much code out of the window as possible into the list handling classes, so re-use in a different window was easier 18:00:53 <planetmaker> Well, point is, that the current window system works quite well for that as it's now. 18:01:13 <planetmaker> One just has to document well which parts are responsible for which :-) 18:04:16 <planetmaker> Terkhen: if you feel like playing around with this gui restructuring, too, feel free to use that repo (once checkout works for you) 18:04:32 <Alberth> you could consider a class for each tab, and do a callback from the window based on a range of widget numbers or so 18:04:33 <planetmaker> it's a multi-head repo with several heads 18:05:05 <Alberth> does a mult-head repo with one head even exist? :p 18:05:20 <planetmaker> with one visible: yes 18:05:30 <planetmaker> ;-) 18:06:03 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@95.169.62.246] has joined #openttd 18:06:30 <planetmaker> the purpose of that repo is to get several things tested out so that the single nicely small enough to be commited patches can be somewhat extracted from it 18:06:54 <planetmaker> in a separate mq repository 18:07:13 <planetmaker> so playfield vs. production so-to-speak ;-) 18:07:43 <planetmaker> in other words: feel free to give your gui ideas a try there 18:07:59 <planetmaker> and don't worry about new heads there 18:08:14 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:08:24 <planetmaker> but then you certainly have your own repos for that :-) 18:31:21 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:36:15 <Alberth> planetmaker: basically, with the new newgrf gui tests, I introduced a function for each operation on the lists (which in normal windows lives as a blob of code in a OnClick() case), and moved those functions into the list manager classes. 18:43:36 <planetmaker> thx. I shall have a closer look at that probably, too :-) 18:43:37 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FC28.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:45:48 *** asfsasdf [~asfsasdf@82-169-69-154.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:46:27 *** asfsasdf is now known as Arie- 18:46:33 *** OsteHovel^PDA [~Oste@122-211-9.connect.netcom.no] has quit [Quit: Bye] 18:49:41 <Arie-> Ok, so here's the case 18:50:10 <Arie-> I had a crash, however in 1.0.1-rc2 (just noticed i was using an old version) 18:50:15 <Arie-> however 18:50:28 <Arie-> i'm not able to reproduce the crash, even in 1.0.1-rc2 18:51:27 <Eddi|zuHause> so do you have at least a crash.log and a crash.sav? 18:51:33 <Arie-> yes i have 18:51:42 <Arie-> but i've search through bugs.openttd.org 18:51:48 <Arie-> and could not find a similar case 18:51:52 <Rubidium> and crash.dmp I hope 18:51:53 <Eddi|zuHause> then upload them to bugs.openttd.org 18:52:13 <Arie-> yes, those are there, i 18:52:34 <Arie-> 'll search through bugs.openttd.org again to be sure 18:57:32 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 18:58:03 *** George is now known as Guest1334 19:02:03 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:03:01 <Alberth> Arie-: by default the search excludes closed bugs, be sure to enable them being searched too 19:04:08 *** Guest1323 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:13:27 <Arie-> yep 19:13:28 <Arie-> did that 19:13:49 <Arie-> but searching for command.cpp + 666 does not give related resultsand 19:14:12 <Arie-> and the changelog from 1.0.1-rc2 -> 1.0.1 does not state a similar bug being killed 19:14:17 <andythenorth> evening 19:14:23 <Arie-> hi 19:14:41 <Arie-> Message: Assertion failed at line 666 of ..\src\command.cpp: cmd_id == CMD_COMPANY_CTRL || old_company == _current_company 19:14:46 <Arie-> ^^ that was the message 19:14:52 <Arie-> bug report almost finished 19:15:04 *** welshdragon [~dragon@ip05.rdlbnc.com] has joined #openttd 19:16:22 <Terkhen> hi andythenorth 19:18:12 <PeterT> Dalestan? 19:18:16 <PeterT> @seen Dalestan 19:18:16 <DorpsGek> PeterT: Dalestan was last seen in #openttd 9 weeks, 1 day, 2 hours, 38 minutes, and 31 seconds ago: <DaleStan> <PeterT> Why would one have info version 5 instead of info version 7? <-- because you didn't use any Info version 6 or 7 features, and there was no header telling NFORenum to use any particular version. 19:18:21 <PeterT> :-( 19:19:49 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.41.227] has left #openttd [] 19:21:01 <Alberth> PeterT: that means absolutely nothing. It is just the last time he spoke here. It has little relation to being present, especially for people saying very little here 19:21:25 <PeterT> That, in addition to the fact that he's not here now 19:22:08 <Alberth> not visibly here, at least 19:22:27 <Alberth> so if you know that, why ask dorpsgek? 19:22:28 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 19:26:03 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC7A31.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:26:07 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-24-116-125.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:29:39 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC73BD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:30:35 <OwenS> It makes me wonder what NewGRF and NFORenum's bus factors are 19:31:00 <Arie-> Bug report @ FS#3857 19:31:00 <Arie-> I' 19:31:15 <Arie-> ll check there again tomorrow might there be other questions 19:31:25 <Arie-> (this is an online IRC applet) ;) 19:31:27 <Arie-> bue 19:31:31 <Arie-> *bye 19:31:34 <PeterT> see ya 19:31:36 *** Arie- [~asfsasdf@82-169-69-154.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Quit: Java user signed off] 19:32:35 <Alberth> what is a bus factor? 19:33:24 <OwenS> Alberth: The number of people that must go missing ("be hit by a bus") before something becomes unmaintainable 19:33:46 <OwenS> Or, in other words, how many people know the NewGRF specs in all their intricacies 19:34:37 <frosch> 0 19:34:38 <frosch> :p 19:35:08 <OwenS> frosch: Fractional people are allowed, I suppose :p 19:35:34 <Alberth> depends on how detailed you look, but close to 0 most likely, it is a large system built by many people over a long span of time 19:36:09 <Alberth> I don't see how a program like NFORenum is involved in the specs though 19:36:18 *** egladil [~egladil@s83-191-244-232.cust.tele2.se] has joined #openttd 19:36:30 *** egladil [~egladil@s83-191-244-232.cust.tele2.se] has left #openttd [] 19:37:01 <Alberth> On the other hand, the source code that implements the specs is freely available, so recovery of current implementation is easy 19:37:07 <OwenS> Alberth: Its not. But it is used by the vast majority of GRFs 19:37:21 <OwenS> And source code is notoriously difficult to read ;-) 19:37:26 *** tycoondemon [~thok@cc64025-c.hnglo1.ov.home.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:37:52 <Alberth> any lanuage that defines the entire behavior of a spec is 19:38:06 <Alberth> s/language/document/ 19:38:25 <OwenS> True. But source code tends to be more obtuse 19:39:07 <Alberth> but it is executable, so you can throw a test case against it 19:40:24 <frosch> reading the source code is easier than writing a testcase 19:41:51 <OwenS> frosch: Even the TTDPatch source code? :p 19:42:08 <OwenS> (Being as its assembly and all) 19:42:18 <Lakie> Depending on where you read 19:42:30 <Lakie> Some sections are fairly well commented 19:42:31 *** OsteHovel^PDA [~Oste@122-211-9.connect.netcom.no] has joined #openttd 19:42:36 <frosch> i could answer several questions by reading ttdp source 19:42:41 <Lakie> Others require common sense 19:42:59 <Lakie> And some just avoid, arvs in ttdpatch = avoid like plague 19:43:13 <Lakie> arvs code* 19:43:18 <frosch> usually i crep for the callback id, and look what is done next 19:43:21 <OsteHovel^PDA> Its technical posible to run openttd on a ARM architecture? (with correct lib's, compiler and stuff) 19:43:35 <glx> yes 19:43:37 <OwenS> OsteHovel^PDA: It has been done 19:43:59 <OsteHovel^PDA> Ok ;) 19:44:37 <OsteHovel^PDA> Someone got a version running on a "android"-based device?(like not using the jni interface) 19:44:46 <OwenS> Theres even a very stripped down DS port... 19:45:15 <OsteHovel^PDA> Ok :) 19:45:38 <OsteHovel^PDA> I tried before using some "unofficial" compiler & libraries... 19:46:03 <OsteHovel^PDA> I did indeed got openttd compilled (dedicated server build), but never got it running on the device 19:46:38 <glx> put on the device wiht required files? 19:47:15 <Rubidium> Debian's able to build ARM binaries (whether they are actually used in unknown to me); Maemo (which is a mobile phone derivative of Debian) has an OpenTTD port that appears to be used and Gentoo has a bug report about someone asking to ask ARM support as it works for that person 19:47:39 <OsteHovel^PDA> I did indeed copy with some libs no idea if it was all of them... 19:47:44 <OsteHovel^PDA> I was thinking of trying again 19:47:58 <OsteHovel^PDA> This time using the official ndk libraries from google (android) 19:48:07 <glx> I'm talking about graphics and sound files ;) 19:48:27 <OsteHovel^PDA> Last time i tested those was not require in a dedicated-only build 19:48:28 <glx> dedicated builds need them too 19:48:37 <OsteHovel^PDA> Do they? 19:48:43 <glx> graphics yes 19:48:44 <OsteHovel^PDA> Hmm 19:49:02 <OsteHovel^PDA> How does that work on one of my servers then... 19:49:02 <glx> just get opengfx 19:49:08 <OsteHovel^PDA> Lol i think i know why now 19:49:17 <OsteHovel^PDA> Maybe i put them in /usr-blablabla 19:49:28 <OsteHovel^PDA> (Poor mee) 19:49:42 <OsteHovel^PDA> Yaya gonna test using the libraries from google 19:49:48 <OsteHovel^PDA> When i get time later this week 19:50:23 *** asnoehu [~thok@cc64025-c.hnglo1.ov.home.nl] has joined #openttd 19:52:39 *** Luukland [~Luukland@ip195-211-208-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 19:59:40 *** asnoehu is now known as tycoondemon 20:11:52 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.31.1] has quit [] 20:12:05 <PeterT> the 'English only' part of the topic has been taken out, is that intentional 20:12:09 <PeterT> ? 20:12:30 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Quit: On snow, everyone can follow your traces] 20:14:23 <FauxFaux> Da. 20:15:37 *** Yexo [~Yexo@183-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 20:16:53 <frosch> s/D/Ð/ 20:20:54 <FauxFaux> Winner. 20:21:28 *** Luukland [~Luukland@ip195-211-208-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:24:03 *** Luukland [~Luukland@ip195-211-208-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 20:24:41 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.13.171] has joined #openttd 20:26:36 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:41:48 *** OsteHovel^PDA [~Oste@122-211-9.connect.netcom.no] has quit [Quit: Bye] 20:41:55 *** ajmiles2 [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:42:13 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:51:39 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:54:43 *** ajmiles2 [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:57:32 *** snorre [~snorre@c692BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 20:58:49 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:00:14 *** frosch [~frosch@frnk-590f6d99.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:04:31 *** sailo [~simon@hyundai.csn.tu-chemnitz.de] has joined #openttd 21:04:56 <sailo> hey, someone here? Does anybody know a multiplayer server with active players? 21:05:26 <sailo> there are lots of games running, but nowhere is anyone actively playing. 21:05:34 <sailo> thats kinda sad. 21:05:40 <PeterT> http://servers.openttd.org/ 21:05:50 <PeterT> that's sorted by most active 21:06:16 <sailo> ah, this overview is not available in the game, is it? 21:06:26 <PeterT> well, you can sort by players in game 21:08:20 <sailo> okay, thanks 21:08:34 <PeterT> welcome 21:16:03 *** KouDy [~KouDy@rb5ck203.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:16:03 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Administr@89.246.211.97] has joined #openttd 21:17:31 *** Westie [~westie@starfish.typefish.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:17:47 *** Westie is now known as Garsino 21:17:58 *** Garsino is now known as Westie 21:19:43 *** sailo [~simon@hyundai.csn.tu-chemnitz.de] has left #openttd [] 21:19:53 *** Combuster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:20:13 *** heffer [~felix@ip-88-152-182-156.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:20:28 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc0045.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 21:22:48 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@89.246.166.177] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:23:10 *** JostVice [~jostvice@85.136.129.22.dyn.user.ono.com] has left #openttd [] 21:23:57 *** JostVice [~jostvice@85.136.129.22.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #openttd 21:36:35 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [] 21:36:38 *** Devedse [30302@cis.HZeeland.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:38:43 <Rubidium> how is DB with respect to refunds and such when an one-train-per-two-hour train is cancelled/delayed by more than 1:30 and you're missing a lot of connecting services abroad (that need reservation) because of that? 21:41:13 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-57-59.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:43:22 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-52-52.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 21:43:22 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 21:47:01 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: i don't know the specifics, but at least a partial refund, depending on how bad it is 21:47:19 <Eddi|zuHause> situation has been significantly improved recently 21:47:29 <Rubidium> well, I'd be missing an overnight train, so definitely a lot 21:47:45 <Rubidium> unless I can take e.g. the TGV at their costs 21:48:13 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: be sure to get the train staff to sign a document that the train was left out... 21:49:44 <Eddi|zuHause> if you complain loud enough, they might even pay you the TGV ticket 21:50:54 *** orudge_ [~orudge@75-149-149-225-Minnesota.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:51:19 <Eddi|zuHause> i have heard of people getting paid a taxi ride from Erfurt to Halle 21:51:37 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: it would be from Munster(Westf) to Luxembourgh :) 21:51:58 <Rubidium> 5 hours by (direct) train :) 21:52:26 <Rubidium> seems there's an indirect fallback route that might make me on time 21:52:40 <Rubidium> with two changes and no time to get dinner in Luxembourgh 21:53:20 <Eddi|zuHause> waiting 5 minutes at the döner and eat on the train? 21:53:43 <Eddi|zuHause> don't remember if there was a döner near luxemburg station 21:54:37 <Rubidium> oh, 45 minutes... that should be just enough :) 21:56:38 <Eddi|zuHause> well, i hope you make it ;) 21:56:51 <Rubidium> not even sure I'm going to do it, just researching 21:59:19 *** Uresu [~Wes@5ace7b65.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 22:00:50 *** Uresu [~Wes@5ace7b65.bb.sky.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:03:38 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-220-140-239.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 22:04:46 *** Uresu [~Wes@5ace7b65.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 22:06:24 <Terkhen> good night 22:06:49 <Rubidium> night Terkhen 22:07:21 <Luukland> n_n ladies 22:07:24 *** Luukland [~Luukland@ip195-211-208-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [] 22:15:54 *** LostTrustFun [~hellodoll@67.220.166.250] has joined #openttd 22:16:35 *** LostTrustFun [~hellodoll@67.220.166.250] has left #openttd [] 22:18:02 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.13.171] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 22:18:40 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:24:33 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc0045.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:24:40 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@95.169.62.246] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:30:12 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:30:27 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 22:31:58 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust443.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:41:10 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 22:47:01 *** Uresu [~Wes@5ace7b65.bb.sky.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:52:24 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC73BD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!] 23:02:04 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d199096.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:08:50 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-72-20.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 23:09:53 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF86C4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:10:17 *** Uresu [~Wes@5ace7b65.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 23:13:48 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:14:51 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 23:17:55 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 23:18:41 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 23:20:29 *** `Fuco` [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 23:21:45 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@95-24-116-125.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 23:23:21 *** dih [~dih@znc.noaddedsugar.net] has joined #openttd 23:23:53 *** lolman_ [~lolman@188-220-38-226.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:24:55 *** Sacro_ [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 23:25:06 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@5e0b8db7.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 23:25:17 *** Netsplit reticulum.oftc.net <-> kinetic.oftc.net quits: KingJ, +michi_cc, KritiK, dihedral, andythenorth, JostVice, PierreW, Goulp, luckz, Prof_Frink, (+10 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 23:25:17 *** peter1138 [~petern@lachesis.fuzzle.org] has joined #openttd 23:25:18 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 23:25:18 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 23:25:20 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 23:25:26 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK 23:25:41 *** Netsplit over, joins: ashb 23:25:56 *** Netsplit over, joins: andythenorth 23:26:52 *** Netsplit over, joins: Terkhen 23:27:58 *** last_evolution [~last_evol@r5ba58.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:28:20 *** asnoehu [~thok@cc64025-c.hnglo1.ov.home.nl] has joined #openttd 23:31:16 *** PierreW [~ttdlx@get-free-money-to-poker-with-at.no-deposit.info] has joined #openttd 23:36:24 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-52-52.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:36:31 <PeterT> that netsplit essentially shows the number of europeans in this channel 23:36:44 *** michi_cc [michi@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 23:36:47 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 23:36:47 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d29f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 23:38:03 <Eddi|zuHause> that is not very true... 23:38:20 <glx> indeed :) 23:38:46 <PeterT> ret. and kinetic are euro servers, right? 23:38:51 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-127-242.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 23:38:54 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 23:38:58 <Eddi|zuHause> so? 23:39:19 <PeterT> and irc.oftc.net (usually) connects you to the nearest server 23:39:40 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm on canadian server 23:39:57 <PeterT> (usually) 23:40:22 <glx> I'm on Nuernberg server 23:40:30 <Eddi|zuHause> and if the netsplit says "reticulum" and "kinetic", that means one of those is broken, not both 23:40:36 *** Uresu [~Wes@5ace7b65.bb.sky.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:40:50 <glx> just the link between them 23:40:57 <PeterT> ah, ok 23:41:18 <PeterT> i thought all servers were connected to the main serv. individually 23:41:23 <PeterT> not one by one 23:41:30 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a tree 23:41:30 <glx> and usually people on the other side of the split are still in the chan (and for them we are gone) 23:42:12 <Eddi|zuHause> not necessarily a star 23:42:58 <Eddi|zuHause> and not necessarily there needs to be a "main server" 23:42:59 <Ammler> a snow flake :-) 23:43:43 <Ammler> maybe a "services host" 23:44:11 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe, but i think even these may be decentralised 23:44:27 *** lasershock` [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 23:45:33 *** lasershock [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:48:10 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 23:48:12 *** lasershock` [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:51:15 *** Uresu [~Wes@5ace7b65.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 23:51:24 *** lasershock [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 23:52:18 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe32dc00-253.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 23:55:55 *** Uresu [~Wes@5ace7b65.bb.sky.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]