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[~Wes@5ace7b65.bb.sky.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:43:24 <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=47715 <-- seems theres quite some need for one, two officially stable AIs... 08:44:03 <planetmaker> but how to tell people? 08:44:25 <__ln__> don't ask, don't tell 08:44:31 <__ln__> .. no, that was something else 08:46:19 <borgfish> which of the AI's are stable ? 08:46:32 <Rubidium> DummyAI :) 08:46:36 <borgfish> lol 08:53:31 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8cc4f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 08:56:50 *** last_evolution [~last_evol@r5ba58.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 09:01:34 *** owens is now known as OwenS 09:01:52 *** b_jonas [~x@C3E4DFA0.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has joined #openttd 09:02:04 <b_jonas> I installed openttd 1.0.1 and it seems it works! great! 09:02:32 <b_jonas> the high framerate is a bit surprising after ttdpatch 09:04:08 <Rubidium> interesting, as OpenTTD's framerate should be slightly lower 09:04:27 <Rubidium> on the other hand, if it is noticable, you're probably using fast forward or something 09:04:46 *** Mazur [~mazur@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Partir, c'est mourir un peu.] 09:05:30 *** Mazur [~mazur@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 09:06:15 <b_jonas> maybe it's not the real refresh rate, just some animations 09:06:25 <b_jonas> but the train seemed to move really smooth 09:07:12 <b_jonas> also note that I'm usually running ttdpatch in a slow emulator which makes it sometimes lag, 09:07:29 <b_jonas> but I think it usually runs at full speed when there aren't too many graphics on the screen 09:07:41 <Rubidium> ah, okay, that explains :) 09:08:08 <b_jonas> oh, maybe it's the emulator's vga refresh rate that's set to slow? 09:10:07 <b_jonas> but it seems I've set that quite high 09:10:09 <b_jonas> I dunno then 09:10:34 <Rubidium> emulating an x86 is not that fast :) 09:11:27 <b_jonas> sure, but ttdpatch is an old game and cpus have become much faster since then 09:11:41 <__ln__> ttdpatch is not a game 09:11:48 <b_jonas> ttd+ttdpatch then 09:12:19 *** DX_Ipad [Dreamxtrem@client-86-27-26-146.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Nice Scotty, now beam my clothes up too!] 09:12:31 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@client-86-27-26-146.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 09:13:11 <Rubidium> the main "problem" is memory access, which hasn't become as significantly faster as CPU have 09:13:55 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DB694.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:14:15 <b_jonas> Rubidium: if memory access was the bottleneck, emulation would be slower by only a small factor than running natively 09:14:51 <OwenS> B_joanas: emulators need memorysccesses for code too 09:15:18 <b_jonas> OwenS: sure, and page tables and stuff 09:15:57 <OwenS> And an x86 emu wont fit in a cpus imstruction cache... 09:16:52 <OwenS> Page tables hit native code anyway 09:17:17 <b_jonas> OwenS: yes, but they're handled and cached more efficiently by the cpu than by the emulator 09:17:45 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF80C2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:17:53 <b_jonas> most of the emulator code should be in the L2 cache anyway 09:18:19 <OwenS> True. Good emus will use the hosts paging though 09:18:19 <Rubidium> not of the emulated code 09:18:36 <b_jonas> OwenS: yes, I specifically said I'm running a slow emulator 09:18:50 <b_jonas> because it still seems fast enough not to lag unless I view lots of graphics in ttd 09:18:55 <Rubidium> after all, TTDP uses at least 4 MiB (assuming not enable lowmemory) 09:18:57 <b_jonas> I didn't bother with running it in a fast one 09:19:01 <b_jonas> Rubidium: sure 09:19:02 <OwenS> And L2 cache bandwidth is shared with the data fetches 09:19:52 <b_jonas> also it's the emulation of the vga that slows down the emulation 09:20:04 <Rubidium> and because of the really random "access" of the data in OpenTTD, caches would not help that much 09:20:10 <b_jonas> maybe if I set the emulated vga rate faster I'd get much more performance and still not see any difference 09:20:33 <b_jonas> Rubidium: they would if much of that data is graphics tiles 09:20:54 <Rubidium> it isn't 09:21:05 <Rubidium> I'm not even sure whether TTD caches the graphics 09:21:35 <Rubidium> in which case it always reads it from disk 09:22:01 <b_jonas> Rubidium: that would be strange, but if it was the case then the emulator would make it much faster 09:22:14 <OwenS> Reading from disk would result in truly awful performance 09:23:06 <Rubidium> b_jonas: it has to emulate all the syscalls to read from disk? 09:25:20 <b_jonas> Rubidium: yes, but it doesn't actually have to seek and read from the physical disk, which is slow 09:26:16 <OwenS> Neither does it running natively 09:26:36 <OwenS> Operating systems have disk caches 09:27:15 <OwenS> But accesses inside an emulator hit double fragmentation 09:27:56 <OwenS> (or with some image formats triplefragmentation) 09:30:18 *** egladil [~egladil@dhcp-203-63.nomad.chalmers.se] has joined #openttd 09:32:53 <OwenS> Of course, emulated graphicsare gonna really kill cpu cache, as normally they should hit the write combiners 09:33:28 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:33:39 <Rubidium> in any case, OpenTTD in dosbox is slow too 09:33:54 <planetmaker> most graphics things in dosbox are slow 09:34:16 <planetmaker> oh, good morning :-) 09:38:07 <b_jonas> planetmaker: I'm using bochs. good morning. 09:38:32 <b_jonas> OwenS: ah, that's true 09:38:47 <b_jonas> OwenS: and it eats the cache too 09:39:36 <OwenS> Oh. Bochs is just slow 09:39:40 *** egladil [~egladil@dhcp-203-63.nomad.chalmers.se] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 09:40:00 <OwenS> Bochs isnt really for running programs these days 09:40:13 <OwenS> More of a developers tool... 09:42:06 <b_jonas> OwenS: that too, but bochs also runs many DOS programs correctly, unlike some other emulators 09:42:23 <b_jonas> and so when I don't have performance problems with them I use it 09:42:37 <b_jonas> as I said, most of those games don't need a fast cpu 09:42:47 <b_jonas> nor a good video card 09:43:02 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.202] has joined #openttd 09:44:10 <b_jonas> especially the older games, the newer games run better in dosbox 09:44:48 <b_jonas> or maybe it's random, not just age dependent 09:47:18 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC73BD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!] 09:51:51 <b_jonas> <whisper>why is the default setting for autosave in openttd one month? does it crash that often? 09:53:20 <OwenS> Because 1mo can still be a lot of work 09:57:10 <Rubidium> b_jonas: because people crash their trains that often 09:57:37 <b_jonas> in openttd, does buliding parallel diagonal tracks confuse signals like in ttd? 09:57:46 <Rubidium> or at least when they do, it's always around christmas time 09:58:06 <b_jonas> and same question about building two depots back to back 09:58:32 <Rubidium> it shouldn't 10:02:00 <planetmaker> as far as testing goes I couldn't find any such bug :-) 10:03:05 * planetmaker wonders how long FS3856 had been lurking before being reported 10:03:14 <b_jonas> I'll probably see in half a game century 10:04:08 <planetmaker> b_jonas, let's say, openttdcoop produces every 10 days or so one game. Quite some things get tested there. Especially signaling and many kind of track oddities 10:04:08 *** OwenS is now known as owens 10:04:58 <planetmaker> (not that the players necessarily know that they're (also) testing the game :-P ) 10:06:38 <b_jonas> what kind of signals do train depots have bulit in? can that be changed individually? or are they always pre-signal entries? 10:06:53 <planetmaker> what obviously is missing is a (semi-)nightly server which runs a competitive setup 10:07:21 <planetmaker> b_jonas, that's rather determined automatically. It's never pre-signal entry 10:07:31 <planetmaker> it's either pre-signal combo or path signal 10:07:45 <b_jonas> thanks 10:08:30 <b_jonas> that means I can probably use path-based signals instead of pre-signals in my usual setup of one-end multi-platform stations with the depot connected directly to the junction 10:08:38 <planetmaker> of course 10:09:43 <b_jonas> right, combo makes more sense because it has to be a presignal exit from the outside and a presignal entry from the inside 10:10:08 <planetmaker> ^ 10:10:23 <b_jonas> again, will see these too in half a game century 10:11:08 <planetmaker> what date is it in your game now? 10:11:49 <b_jonas> I just started, so it's 1950 10:16:51 <b_jonas> is there a hotkey/shortcut for the land area query tool? 10:18:55 <b_jonas> apparently no 10:18:55 <b_jonas> sad 10:19:56 <b_jonas> oh, the query tool prints the height of the square? great, that's useful 10:25:23 <b_jonas> and this autorail and the draggable diagonal rails are a huge timesaver 10:25:30 <b_jonas> the interface improvements are nice 10:40:37 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.83.181] has joined #openttd 10:42:12 *** lewymati [~lewymati@89.230.159.206] has joined #openttd 11:08:52 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:21:28 *** lewymati [~lewymati@89.230.159.206] has quit [] 11:22:44 <b_jonas> you have to put ai libraries in the ai/library directory, not directly in ai, but that directory is not created by the installation. confusing. 11:23:10 *** sparr [sparr@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:24:45 <SmatZ> [12:03:05] * planetmaker wonders how long FS3856 had been lurking before being reported <== for about 12 days :-p 11:25:39 <planetmaker> ah :-) 11:25:51 <planetmaker> I thought it might have been longer 11:26:31 <planetmaker> b_jonas, why should it. 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Far end makes the trains roll into the station faster, so they unblock the junction quicker. 16:56:12 <Eddi|zuHause> i view it mostly as an eyecandy setting... 16:57:40 <OwenS> It would be nice if OpenTTD treated station tiles it wouldn't use as track rather than station for deceleration 16:59:17 *** Coldice [~nu@188.26.152.25] has joined #openttd 17:06:49 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:07:16 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:12:21 *** TheMask96 [martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:13:32 <b_jonas> in the trains information dialog, what do the colored dots below the train numbers mean? 17:13:53 <planetmaker> income status: 17:14:14 <planetmaker> green=10k+ / year, yellow positive < 10k / year, red: negative income, gray: too new to know 17:14:33 <b_jonas> I see 17:14:35 <b_jonas> thanks 17:17:06 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 17:21:16 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fcd9a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:31:25 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 17:45:48 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r19894 /trunk/src/lang/ (7 files): (log message trimmed) 17:45:48 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:48 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: czech - 27 changes by ReisRyos 17:45:48 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: danish - 19 changes by silentStatic 17:45:48 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: indonesian - 39 changes by prof 17:45:49 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: norwegian_bokmal - 7 changes by mantaray 17:45:49 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: norwegian_nynorsk - 7 changes by mantaray 17:53:42 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 17:56:07 *** Nilsor [~nils@p4FC847E9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:56:08 <Nilsor> Hallo 17:56:24 <Nilsor> Im currently setting up a dedicated server on my linux VS 17:56:40 <Nilsor> and im still looking for those server-addons like 17:56:47 <Nilsor> the goal settings for competitive servers 17:56:50 <Nilsor> or such stuff 17:56:54 <Nilsor> can anybody help me out? 17:57:33 <frosch123> goal servers are custom builds, which got patched. 17:57:53 <Nilsor> are there any sources where i can download them? 17:58:17 <frosch123> usually the authors add the number of players on their server to their penis length, so they do not release any patches 17:58:39 <frosch123> or so :p 17:58:39 <Nilsor> servers 17:58:42 <Nilsor> ^^ 17:58:44 <Nilsor> !servers 17:58:46 <frosch123> read: you are on your own 17:58:50 <Nilsor> whats the weird info in the irc topic 17:58:56 <Nilsor> server list: servers, 17:59:19 <frosch123> you shall replace the "*" at the front with one of the other terms 17:59:38 <Nilsor> i c 18:00:16 <Nilsor> ty 18:00:21 <frosch123> np 18:00:24 <b_jonas> .oO(in centimiters or inches? and all the players any time or only the players logged in at any one time?) 18:00:41 <Nilsor> only the current players 18:00:47 <Nilsor> so their penis acts like a sinus wave 18:01:03 <b_jonas> Nilsor: yep, that's called erection 18:01:39 <Nilsor> :) 18:02:14 <planetmaker> [19:58] <frosch123> usually the authors add the number of players on their server to their penis length, so they do not release any patches <-- ymmd :-) 18:03:17 *** fonsinchen [~alve@93.159.251.98] has joined #openttd 18:06:12 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@93.21.20.212] has joined #openttd 18:07:08 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: ptr] 18:10:54 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.13.171] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:15:52 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF80C2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:16:05 <Terkhen> :P 18:21:17 <Rubidium> I think it is logarithmically in nm 18:22:05 <Hirundo> base-2, base-10 or base-e? 18:22:25 <frosch123> base-42 18:22:44 <Rubidium> Hirundo: doesn't matter as the result is unmeasurable in any case 18:25:19 <Rubidium> after all, it's multiplied by i in any case 18:25:39 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:25:52 <frosch123> sounds complex 18:25:55 <Eddi|zuHause> it's an imaginary penis, obviously 18:27:12 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: a1270] 18:28:43 *** Mikhailjrjrsmo [~chatzilla@195.16.79.219] has joined #openttd 18:29:05 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:33:04 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:34:19 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 18:42:07 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust443.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:45:54 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:07:53 *** fonsinchen [~alve@93.159.251.98] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:09:09 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: .] 19:09:49 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.25.101.77] has joined #openttd 19:11:47 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 19:12:15 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DB694.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:12:16 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DB694.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:15:54 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@93.21.20.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:17:46 *** lewymati [~lewymati@89.230.159.206] has joined #openttd 19:19:02 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 19:19:44 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC73BD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:20:37 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 19:21:13 *** George is now known as Guest1485 19:21:39 <b_jonas> I have a question about path based signal designs 19:22:03 <b_jonas> If I want a simple two-track two-platform terminus, a simple arrangement is shown in http://wiki.openttd.org/Railway_stations#Terminus 19:22:45 <b_jonas> now couldn't it be better if you shifted the tracks so that the away track is off, like on the bottom draft at http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/signal1.png ? 19:23:17 <b_jonas> because that way the first train is likely to park in the top platform, and then if a new train arrives, it won't block the way of the first train leaving 19:24:25 <Rubidium> nah, now it just happens when the "second" train leaves 19:25:12 <b_jonas> but the first train is likely to leave earlier 19:25:27 <b_jonas> sure, if a third trains comes in early then there'll be a similar jam 19:25:57 <b_jonas> but if you have few trains, the third train won't come before the second one leaves, 19:26:12 <b_jonas> if you have more trains you could use something similar with three platforms and two tracks 19:27:04 *** Guest1334 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:27:46 <Rubidium> otherwise use two path signals with the light to the station; that way that becomes the more expensive one for the pathfinder and the train goes automagically to the top platform 19:27:48 <Eddi|zuHause> b_jonas: one problem you might face is that the first train exiting is using the "wrong" track and thus still blocks the second train from entering 19:27:48 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC73BD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:28:26 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-232-248.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:28:39 <Eddi|zuHause> in theory the pathfinder should have a penalty for that, but i never figured out how that works 19:28:41 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust443.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:30:18 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC3EA4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:31:20 <b_jonas> Eddi|zuHause: I see 19:32:24 *** orudge_ [~orudge@75-149-149-225-Minnesota.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:44:18 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.3.44] has quit [] 19:46:53 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76FBE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:47:08 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@93.159.251.98] has joined #openttd 19:47:51 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 19:48:30 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76FBE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:50:20 <b_jonas> in the opengfx set, what is the icon of the railway depot bulid tool on the toolbar supposed to symbolize? 19:53:45 <glx> try right click 19:57:49 <b_jonas> I know what it does, it builds depots 19:58:02 <b_jonas> but why is the icon L-shaped when the depots looks like a house 20:00:38 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know the opengfx icons 20:00:56 <KenjiE20> #openttdcoop.devzone <-- ask the creators? 20:02:19 * frosch123 wonders what should be L-shaped about that icon 20:02:44 <b_jonas> frosch123: gamma-shaped if you prefer 20:03:04 <frosch123> it's just a depot, isn't it? 20:03:21 <b_jonas> it doesn't look like one 20:03:38 <frosch123> maybe adjust the contrast of your display 20:03:49 <frosch123> the icon might be a little dark 20:04:12 <b_jonas> frosch123: are you using the opengfx set? it does look like a depot in the original ttd set 20:04:31 <b_jonas> it looks like half a depot 20:04:37 <b_jonas> it has the roof and some of the walls 20:05:29 <frosch123> maybe you are not using the opengfx depot, but some stupid monolithical canset or so 20:05:50 <frosch123> the opengfx icon looks like the depot, just smaller 20:06:26 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust443.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:06:46 <Rubidium> scleenshot time! 20:07:24 <planetmaker> :-) 20:07:37 <planetmaker> spleen shot would even be nicer :-P 20:07:48 <planetmaker> b_jonas: I can't follow you either 20:08:02 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust443.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 20:08:07 <planetmaker> pic or it didn't happen 20:08:19 <planetmaker> fits even here ;-) 20:08:21 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BE61.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:08:57 <b_jonas> oh, I see 20:09:05 <b_jonas> it's a rail depot open to the SE 20:09:23 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@93.159.251.98] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:09:26 <b_jonas> it has a door on the SE side and no ground below that 20:09:40 <b_jonas> makes sense now 20:09:41 <b_jonas> thanks 20:09:52 <b_jonas> and its W side is cropped 20:09:57 <planetmaker> ? 20:16:49 <b_jonas> here's your pic: http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/depoticon.png 20:17:18 <b_jonas> the icon shows the depot cropped to the marked border, without the rails 20:17:22 *** lewymati [~lewymati@89.230.159.206] has quit [] 20:17:34 <b_jonas> it's cropped in a confusing way 20:27:43 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76FBE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:29:52 <frosch123> night 20:29:57 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fcd9a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:30:50 <b_jonas> by the way, if I want to show some build to ask a question, are openttd savegames portable among operating systems and cpus? 20:31:30 <planetmaker> oh... I never considered that :-) 20:31:45 <planetmaker> yes, savegames are the same everywhere 20:32:23 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 20:32:27 <planetmaker> I guess you're right that the depot icon could possibly use some tracks... 20:32:52 <planetmaker> though it'd be inconsistent with waypoints and stations. Which then also would need some 20:41:31 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77871.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:52:55 *** Eggman891 [~Eggman891@cpc1-staf7-2-0-cust110.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 21:16:52 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@89.246.179.214] has joined #openttd 21:20:20 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-213-34-232-56.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #openttd 21:23:18 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Administr@89.246.211.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:27:05 <Belugas> night boyz 21:28:42 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.25.101.77] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:28:49 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-213-34-232-56.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:37:41 <__ln__> i'm not sure if the final episode explained much 21:48:09 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@89.246.179.214] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:50:03 *** Brianett1 [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:52:39 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@89.246.179.214] has joined #openttd 21:52:58 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:57:40 *** Fast2_ [~Fast2@p57AF94AA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:57:49 *** KouDy [~KouDy@rb5ck203.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:59:36 *** Adambean [~AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 22:01:05 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 22:03:09 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF80C2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:03:21 *** Fast2_ is now known as Fast2 22:12:53 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:13:06 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 22:15:14 <Nite_Owl> How long before a confirmation email gets sent from the sign up page at the main site? 22:15:43 * Nite_Owl plans on some minor wiki editing 22:17:37 <glx> it's immediate 22:17:55 <Ammler> maybe you use some filter system? 22:18:14 <Nite_Owl> that is what I feared - I did not get one so I must have failed 22:18:21 <TrueBrain> so re-request one 22:18:33 <Rubidium> greylisting can delay those mails considereably 22:18:56 * Nite_Owl will try once again 22:18:57 <TrueBrain> but as openttd.org has an SPF record, it has to be a broken mail filter system 22:19:05 <Rubidium> planetmaker: any idea how late the "party" starts? 22:19:48 <TrueBrain> Nite_Owl: I don't have a pending entry ? 22:19:59 <planetmaker> you proposed that people should come having had lunch. Sounds like a plan. A feasable one 22:20:03 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: have you arranged/borrowed the car already? 22:20:14 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: nope, working on it; but shouldn't be an issue 22:20:29 <planetmaker> renting a car should work on 24h notice 22:20:29 <TrueBrain> I think I leave from Leiden at 0900 or something 22:20:37 <TrueBrain> I most likely will rent a car for 2 months :p 22:20:43 <planetmaker> :-) 22:21:02 <Rubidium> my schedule for the 19th has a glitch, which makes me reach Amersfoort CS around 1000 22:21:02 <Nite_Owl> I did something wrong then but it did seem rather straight forward 22:21:19 <TrueBrain> haha, not at home? :) 22:21:24 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:21:26 <Rubidium> nope 22:21:50 <TrueBrain> last weekend I was around amersfoort :p 22:21:50 <Rubidium> promised someone to help with something :) 22:22:08 <TrueBrain> so 1000 will be fine 22:22:16 <TrueBrain> means we will be at planetmaker at 1400/1500 I guess 22:22:20 <TrueBrain> who more was joining? I forgot :p 22:22:28 <planetmaker> sounds like a good time 22:22:30 <Rubidium> Yexo: ? 22:22:31 <TrueBrain> Yexo and Alberth I believe? 22:22:33 *** JostVice [~jostvice@85.136.129.22.dyn.user.ono.com] has left #openttd [] 22:22:39 <Nite_Owl> user name & display name can be the same name ?? 22:22:54 <Rubidium> yesch 22:23:00 <Yexo> 1000 in amerfoort is fine :) 22:23:36 <Yexo> train 8:32 from eindhoven 22:23:47 <TrueBrain> Yexo: I suggest you arrange some way for you and Rubidium to recorgnize eachother :p 22:23:55 <TrueBrain> I know Rubidium, so I will be looking for him :p 22:24:13 <planetmaker> :-) 22:24:46 <Rubidium> Yexo: familiar with Amersfoort station? 22:24:52 <Yexo> yes 22:25:28 <Rubidium> I suggest to meet at the small car park at the south west side of the station 22:25:46 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC3EA4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!] 22:25:51 <Yexo> ehm, I'm not that familiar with the surroundings of the station, just the station itself 22:25:56 <Yexo> but I should be able to find that 22:26:00 <Nite_Owl> silly me - I did not underscore between the Nite and the Owl 22:26:59 <TrueBrain> it should read in plain text if you did something wrong 22:27:28 <Rubidium> Yexo: when coming from Utecht, it's the exit near the end of the train 22:27:47 <planetmaker> One of you could just wear a funny hat 22:27:54 <Yexo> so the exit via the starts at that end of the station? 22:27:59 <TrueBrain> or exchange numbers :p 22:28:00 <orudge> planetmaker: or an OpenTTD t-shirt! 22:28:09 <planetmaker> :-) Or that! 22:28:10 <TrueBrain> orudge: I expect you supply us with those 22:28:12 *** ajmiles2 [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:28:14 <TrueBrain> as donation :p 22:28:19 <orudge> heh 22:28:35 <planetmaker> you can ship them to my address and we'll distribute them there. 22:28:35 *** heffer [~felix@ip-88-152-182-156.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 22:28:45 <orudge> I wonder if anybody's bought any 22:28:46 <planetmaker> Though then... not much help then for Yexo & Rubi ;-) 22:28:51 * orudge signs into the store 22:29:02 <TrueBrain> orudge: how much do they cost? 22:29:11 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:29:17 <orudge> www.cafepress.com/openttd 22:29:33 <orudge> hmm, of sales apparently 22:29:34 <Nite_Owl> it did but I be dumb 22:29:39 <Rubidium> Yexo: you don't quite make sense :) 22:29:56 <TrueBrain> Rubidium / Yexo: exchange numbers, call when at station, and TADA! :p 22:29:58 <Nite_Owl> it did read in plain text but I be dumb sometimes 22:30:09 <Rubidium> if your train arrives, exit it and walk towards the end where the train came from 22:30:18 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: the location is kinda important for you too :) 22:30:20 <TrueBrain> orudge: expensive shit 22:30:23 <Nite_Owl> like just now when I did not scroll down far enough 22:30:31 <Yexo> Rubidium: yes, there are overhead stairs at that end of the station 22:30:34 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: I just call you when I approach the station :p 22:30:41 <Rubidium> Amersfoort is a mess w.r.t. one way roads, which makes reaching the "Stationsplein" a bitch 22:30:46 <orudge> TrueBrain: do you mean "shit" as in "it's rubbish", or just as in "stuff"? :P 22:30:49 <orudge> I can't say what the quality's like 22:30:52 <orudge> as I haven't bought any of it myself 22:30:56 <TrueBrain> orudge: stuff :p 22:31:02 <orudge> but, well, it's pretty much the cheapest we could make it without giving it away :p 22:31:07 <Rubidium> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Unknown+road&daddr=&hl=en&geocode=FSfKGwMdIvFRAA&mra=mr&sll=52.152911,5.375211&sspn=0.012507,0.01236&ie=UTF8&ll=52.153366,5.371006&spn=0.006254,0.00618&t=h&z=17 <- that is the location you should go to 22:31:09 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF94AA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:31:21 <Rubidium> not "Stationsplein 41" :) 22:31:45 <TrueBrain> so I will go over A28 instead of A1 :p 22:32:21 <TrueBrain> although it doesn't really matter 22:32:33 <orudge> I can't figure out from this useless site what was actually bought 22:32:34 <orudge> but oh well 22:33:07 <TrueBrain> orudge: I love how they rendered the logo on the shirt :p 22:33:25 <__ln__> hmmm... wearing a big dollar sign on a t-shirt may give the wrong idea to people who are unaware of this noble game. 22:33:54 <orudge> TrueBrain: hmm? 22:34:21 <orudge> __ln__: heh 22:34:43 <Ammler> never liked the openttd logo either 22:34:58 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: can you also arrange with Alberth? :) I will let you know next week if I have the car or not, but I see no issues, so :) 22:35:00 <TrueBrain> for now, good night 22:35:06 <PeterT> OpenLogo 22:35:39 <Rubidium> night 22:36:46 <Rubidium> I'll give you a route into Amersfoort; it differs a bit from Google's suggested route, but it has more highway and less traffic lights/speed traps 22:37:09 <Rubidium> it's 1 km longer and 1 minute shorter :) 22:41:39 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:43:53 <planetmaker> good night here, too :-) 22:46:03 <Nite_Owl> wiki edit made - thank you for your help 22:47:23 <Terkhen> good night 22:47:44 <Rubidium> night :) 22:48:59 <murr5y> night! 22:49:13 *** murr5y is now known as murr4y 22:49:22 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 22:58:02 *** elmz_ [~elmz@222.80-202-29.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 22:58:10 *** elmz [~elmz@222.80-202-29.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:58:14 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust443.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:59:05 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust443.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 22:59:59 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d199096.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:03:42 *** Brianett1 [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 23:04:58 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 23:13:13 *** Mazur [~mazur@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:31:58 *** Nilsor [~nils@p4FC847E9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:34:32 *** Mazur [~mazur@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 23:39:01 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@f234099.upc-f.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:39:18 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-72-20.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 23:42:57 * b_jonas has built a pbs junction and is now watching whether it seems to work well 23:45:56 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.83.181] has quit [Quit: ãããã¿ãªãã] 23:47:49 <PeterT> pbs junctions are easy :-P 23:47:55 <PeterT> well, easier 23:48:54 <b_jonas> yeah 23:51:42 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [] 23:52:56 <b_jonas> good night now 23:53:13 *** b_jonas [~x@C3E4DFA0.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:58:54 * PeterT stares at the fail in #freenode