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00:02:56 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@ip-64-136-106-77.eidsiva.net] has joined #openttd 00:03:22 *** MastaLu [~mastalu30@ip-109-84-80-46.web.vodafone.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:05:38 *** MastaLu [~mastalu30@ip-109-84-249-250.web.vodafone.de] has joined #openttd 00:08:12 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:09:07 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-174-139-106-77.eidsiva.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:09:42 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:34:13 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:38:33 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [] 00:47:00 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B33D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:12:00 <Eddi|zuHause> The Russian song is great :) 01:12:01 <Eddi|zuHause> # (Voice: What are you doing man?) 01:12:03 <Eddi|zuHause> # I'm looking at her photos 01:12:04 <Eddi|zuHause> # What should i do with them? 01:12:06 <Eddi|zuHause> # (Voice: Put them in the fire) 01:14:33 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 01:19:23 *** dasprid [~dasprid@HSI-KBW-078-043-123-145.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:21:57 *** cowdude [4c0e471c@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 01:22:20 <cowdude> Hey, why won't you let zodttd post OpenTTD to the App Store? I've been dying for it on my iPhone, and he didn't violate the GPL or anything... 01:23:05 <zodttd> cowdude: They allowed it after I complied further with some requests. Apple keeps rejecting it at this point. 01:25:01 <Sacro> I don't think you can have GPL stuff in the App store 01:25:43 <Sacro> actually, you can't 01:25:52 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-5-149.A212.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 01:26:06 <Sacro> Each time you redistribute the Program (or any work based on the Program), the recipient automatically receives a license from the original licensor to copy, distribute or modify the Program subject to these terms and conditions. You may not impose any further restrictions on the recipients' exercise of the rights granted herein. 01:26:33 <Sacro> (Emphasis added) 01:26:42 <cowdude> Searching the App Store for "GPL" shows a ton of results. 01:27:16 <Sacro> so? 01:27:26 <Sacro> they are at fault and should be removed 01:27:34 *** cowdude [4c0e471c@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 01:27:39 <Sacro> or at least have the licence changed 01:27:44 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DBDF6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... Der, der blÀht, als hinterster geht!] 01:31:01 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-5-149.A212.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [] 01:33:22 <Keyboard_Warrior> Sacro, what you can refuse though is for them to use the name :P 01:33:42 <Keyboard_Warrior> not that it matters much 01:33:48 <Keyboard_Warrior> but the gpl does allow you to impose restrictions 01:33:55 <Keyboard_Warrior> just not on redistrebution 01:35:15 <Sacro> hmm 01:35:19 <Sacro> still, can't go in the app store 01:36:55 <Keyboard_Warrior> Sacro, the gpl is a bit too paranoid at times 01:37:01 <Keyboard_Warrior> most people dont bother obeying it perfectly 01:37:05 <Sacro> so? 01:37:22 <Sacro> just because 'most people' don't obey it doesn't alter it 01:37:58 <Keyboard_Warrior> Sacro, i'm saying, why does it bother you when its more the gpl being paranoid than people being wrong? 01:39:00 <Sacro> Eh? 01:39:08 <Sacro> I'm confused now 01:39:44 <Keyboard_Warrior> .p 01:44:31 <Eddi|zuHause> what Keyboard_Warrior means is "i'm wrong, but i won't admit it." 01:44:50 <Eddi|zuHause> also called cognitive dissonance... 01:48:08 <Sacro> right 01:48:16 <Sacro> I've got a bugin OpenTTD 01:48:25 <Sacro> whenever I click my mouse pointer stops being rendered 01:49:09 <Eddi|zuHause> that's more likely a bug in SDL/your window manager/your graphics driver 01:49:19 <Sacro> hmm 01:49:41 <Sacro> SDL 1.12.14 01:50:04 <Sacro> nvidia 195.36.24 01:50:07 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea about SDL versions 01:50:09 <Sacro> WM is compiz 01:51:55 * Sacro rebuilds from SVN 01:54:02 <Sacro> hmm, gnome-globalmenu doesn't follow fitt's law 01:57:11 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8f85d.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:03:12 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:98f9:53c6:f184:33b6] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:05:22 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.209] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:20:55 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-24-19-244.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:44:51 *** MastaLu [~mastalu30@ip-109-84-249-250.web.vodafone.de] has quit [] 02:46:35 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.209] has joined #openttd 02:56:41 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-20-226.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:59:13 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-247-17.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 02:59:16 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 03:19:19 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:24:22 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:30:50 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 03:39:43 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 03:50:27 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@ip-64-136-106-77.eidsiva.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:08:31 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe32dc00-253.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 04:19:32 *** zodttd2 [~me@24.144.92.44] has joined #openttd 04:24:37 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.209] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:24:45 *** zodttd [~me@24.144.92.44] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:28:31 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has joined #openttd 04:28:46 *** zodttd2 [~me@24.144.92.44] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:40:17 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:56:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76B8A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 04:56:20 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B770E3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:07:19 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 05:31:11 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 05:33:30 <planetmaker> moin 05:55:38 <Rubidium> Sacro: ArchLinux has taken a broken patch from somewhere. I suspect it comes from Gentoo which took it from Debian, although the issue has been fixed in Debian months ago 05:59:08 <Rubidium> huh? Their bug tracker tells me they know the patch is broken, yet they have committed it... why did they do that? 06:29:15 *** Wizzleby [locke@204-74-213-37.take2hosting.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:32:09 *** Wizzleby [locke@204-74-213-37.take2hosting.com] has joined #openttd 06:35:56 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 06:45:21 <peter1138> ? 07:05:29 *** Morloth [~bram@cpc1-cowc4-0-0-cust183.renf.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 07:16:41 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 07:30:52 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 07:33:02 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B67C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:38:17 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:47:37 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:37:24 <Sacro> Rubidium: a patch for what package? not OpenTTD 08:48:10 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.9.250.146] has joined #openttd 08:56:11 <Rubidium> Sacro: libsdl 08:56:49 <Sacro> ahh 08:57:04 <Sacro> can't locate it on the bug tracker :( 08:57:11 <Sacro> at least, not the arch one 08:57:32 <Rubidium> Sacro: http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/19331 08:58:56 <Sacro> grrr 08:58:58 <Sacro> idiots 08:59:21 <Rubidium> that one mentions http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=565788 which is broken as described in http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=578389 09:00:16 <Rubidium> however, the latter has been fixed on the 30th of April, which is after the Arch bug report has been opened 09:01:19 <Rubidium> that's why I said it probably comes from Gentoo, as they haven't fixed it yet but imported the broken 565788 patch 09:03:45 <Sacro> mmm 09:06:56 <Rubidium> the bug in Gentoo is reported as https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=317911 09:08:35 <Rubidium> but maybe it's not that clear to them that the patch they applied breaks it 09:13:48 <Rubidium> and the whole whining about openttd on itunes starts to really annoy me 09:18:02 <peter1138> ? 09:18:57 <Rubidium> ! 09:20:11 <Ammler> lol, they paid you to get apple support back? 09:20:29 <peter1138> i don't know what whining you're talking about 09:20:55 <Rubidium> peter1138: the stuff like 09:20:55 <Rubidium> 03:22 < cowdude> Hey, why won't you let zodttd post OpenTTD to the App Store? I've been dying for it on my iPhone, and he didn't violate the GPL or anything... 09:21:40 <Rubidium> and the whole fracking bashing on zodttd's site without any mention of the issue being resolved for like one-and-a-half month 09:22:37 <peter1138> ah, scrollback 09:26:31 <dih> Rubidium: make a post in reply on openttd.org 09:26:51 *** zodttd [~me@24.144.92.44] has joined #openttd 09:26:55 <dih> lol 09:28:40 <dih> @seen zottd 09:28:40 <DorpsGek> dih: I have not seen zottd. 09:28:49 <dih> @seen zodttd 09:28:49 <DorpsGek> dih: zodttd was last seen in #openttd 8 hours, 5 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <zodttd> cowdude: They allowed it after I complied further with some requests. Apple keeps rejecting it at this point. 09:29:14 <zodttd> present 09:29:24 <dih> but you were not for quite some time 09:29:39 <zodttd> I fell asleep. :) 09:29:46 <zodttd> What's up? 09:30:51 <dih> not my busyness nor my fight or concern 09:33:00 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 09:34:36 <dih> Dana <- is that not a girls name? 09:34:58 <Rubidium> dih: guess not anymore :) 09:35:44 <dih> "not anymore" -> does that refer to a sex change? :-P 09:36:42 <Rubidium> dih: http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/1/Dana 09:36:50 <erani> Just my curiosity: What features are going to be implemented for next releases? I see that the game engine and game content themselves are doing well 09:37:16 <dih> you'll see when it's released 09:37:24 <erani> :D 09:37:52 <erani> it's like waiting for Christmas when I was a kid :] 09:38:12 <Rubidium> when we did tell what we intended to add to the next release, there was big disappointment and whining when stuff didn't make it. So, we're just not going to speculate on stuff 09:38:16 <zodttd> I have a family member named Dana. Tis a she. :P 09:38:54 * andythenorth is particularly excited about the availability of industry var A7 during CB28 for the next release 09:39:07 <andythenorth> "a rising tide floats all boats" :P 09:39:15 * andythenorth goes back to work 09:39:29 * andythenorth wonders if the post man will bring any Lego today 09:40:06 *** OsteHovel^PDA [~Oste@99-212-9.connect.netcom.no] has joined #openttd 09:40:15 <erani> Rubidium: Okay, I understand that :) 09:42:22 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC3F53.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:43:01 <dih> zodttd: i thought dana was also the one who registered the domain 09:43:42 <zodttd> Depends on the domain, but yes it might have been originally owned by Dana. 09:45:05 *** Mighty [~Mad@84-75-182-16.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #openttd 09:45:37 *** Mighty [~Mad@84-75-182-16.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [] 09:48:20 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r19921 /trunk/src/news_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#3865]: closing chatbox could cause glitches when news message was shown 09:50:12 <dih> so why would dana register a domain for you - assuming you are not dana 09:50:43 <dih> only thought i would have, is that you were not old enough to register it yourself, which would also explain partly some attitude with regards to OpenTTD developers 09:51:01 <FauxFaux> I hope everyone else is listening to Chinquemilla. 09:51:14 <dih> to who? 09:51:33 <FauxFaux> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zidcpa6AFuc 09:52:09 <FauxFaux> (You can't unsee it) 09:56:24 <dih> what a load of ... 09:58:17 <peter1138> ah, dih's favourite subject 09:59:20 <dih> :-D 09:59:29 <dih> yarp 10:00:50 *** APTX_ [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:09:19 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:10:15 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DB167.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:18:16 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 10:20:05 <peter1138> dih, how is your relative getting on? 10:20:22 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d021.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:41:10 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbab65a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:42:00 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:45:37 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-247-17.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:47:38 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-231-58.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 10:47:41 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 11:01:30 *** Wasila [~Wasila@81-178-69-164.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 11:02:23 <Wasila> hai 11:11:12 <Alberth> hai 11:15:12 *** OsteHovel^PDA [~Oste@99-212-9.connect.netcom.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:22:23 <fjb> Hai 11:30:44 <Wasila> slowest reaction ever 11:30:47 <Wasila> still there? 11:32:17 <Alberth> slightly 11:33:13 <Wasila> slightly? 11:34:39 *** borgfish [~bla@141.12.66.253] has joined #openttd 11:35:01 <borgfish> hi, i have a station with train and bus, not directyl connected but belonging together 11:35:11 <borgfish> i cannot remove the bus stations ? why would that be 11:35:24 <borgfish> error is: i have to demolish bus station first. but thats what i am trying 11:37:11 <borgfish> and why cant i have a bus station under a bridge `? 11:39:48 <Markk> Under brigde itn't possible. 11:41:03 <Markk> The bus stations shouldn't be a problem. 11:41:12 <borgfish> seems to be reputation related 11:41:18 <borgfish> i bribed them 11:41:25 <borgfish> then i could demolish 11:41:35 <Rubidium> because there is no concept of height in any buildings and as such no way to determine what the minimum bridge height over those buildings should be 11:42:14 <Rubidium> also, in your case you probably should've used the station+bulldozer tool instead of dynamite as you built a drive through road stop over the town's road 11:42:25 <Rubidium> and with the dynamite you'd remove that too 11:42:52 <Eddi|zuHause> the message could be improved, though 11:42:53 <Rubidium> which is why you'd need permission from the town 11:43:26 <borgfish> okay thanks 11:44:24 <Rubidium> having said that, trunk's broken 11:46:30 <borgfish> what does a red dot in front of my name within town menue mean ? 11:47:22 <Eddi|zuHause> your company colour? 11:47:41 <Markk> That you have exlusive transportation rights. 11:47:45 <borgfish> no, after the company color 11:47:48 <borgfish> okay 11:47:56 <borgfish> thanks alot , this chan is cool ;) 11:48:03 <borgfish> maybe a final q... 11:48:22 <borgfish> my town is 600k residents, and it only seems to be growing while i am not logged into 11:48:33 <borgfish> i am now playing 2 hours and it dropped 10k 11:48:41 <borgfish> any ideas ? i doidnt change a thing 11:49:10 <borgfish> all doing fine but it drops 11:49:12 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:50:46 <Markk> 600 000 residents+ 11:50:47 <Markk> ?* 11:50:52 <borgfish> y 11:51:02 <borgfish> its 12.07.2576 11:51:05 <Markk> Oj 11:51:06 <Markk> Oh* 11:51:54 <Markk> When it's so big I can diff with so many residents when it's building new facilities. 11:52:12 <borgfish> and there are hundrets of coal plants anywhere *fg 11:52:20 <borgfish> yes growing is rather very slow 11:52:32 <Eddi|zuHause> turn off "multiple industries per town" 11:52:48 <borgfish> i have, but it didnt effect my oil riggs also 11:52:51 <borgfish> letme paste it 11:53:23 <borgfish> multiple_industrys_per_town = false 11:53:33 <borgfish> under economy 11:53:41 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:54:02 <Eddi|zuHause> changing the .cfg won't change your savegame 12:02:58 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 12:03:04 *** Wasila [~Wasila@81-178-69-164.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:04:47 *** OsteHovel^PDA [~Oste@171-13-9.connect.netcom.no] has joined #openttd 12:10:19 *** pugi_ [~pugi@p4FCC3F53.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:12:02 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC3F53.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:12:03 *** pugi_ is now known as pugi 12:18:22 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbab65a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:20:43 <dih> @peter1138> dih, how is your relative getting on? <- erm... who? 12:23:47 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-231-58.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:26:02 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-23-132.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 12:26:05 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 12:41:45 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-64-136-106-77.eidsiva.net] has joined #openttd 12:47:05 *** JohnGalt [~johan@41.151.39.65] has joined #openttd 12:47:22 <JohnGalt> hello all 12:47:32 *** OsteHovel^PDA [~Oste@171-13-9.connect.netcom.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:48:17 <JohnGalt> I'm having a bit of trouble with sound in v1.0.1 12:48:37 <JohnGalt> when i first installed the game the opensfx worked 12:48:45 <JohnGalt> but later they stopped 12:49:19 <JohnGalt> im running it on linux mint helena (based on karmic) 12:49:34 <JohnGalt> any suggestions 12:50:20 <Alberth> iirc there is something about sound in the readme or the known-bugs text file 12:50:21 <JohnGalt> btw, not even the original sounds work anymore 12:50:22 <Rubidium> maybe checking the pulseaudio stuff described in known-bugs.txt might help? 12:50:31 <JohnGalt> done that 12:50:39 <JohnGalt> it helped alot with other probs 12:50:51 <JohnGalt> but still no sound 12:52:03 <Rubidium> could you open a terminal/console and type "openttd" in there (without quotes obviously) and then pressing enter? 12:52:36 <JohnGalt> wow it worked 12:52:39 <JohnGalt> why? 12:53:10 <Rubidium> no idea 12:53:18 <JohnGalt> thanks anyway 12:53:19 <Rubidium> when starting it from the shortcut it doesn't? 12:53:37 <JohnGalt> no, ill check what command shortcut has 12:54:14 <JohnGalt> odd, shortcut has exactly that command 12:54:43 <JohnGalt> how can there be any difference 12:55:01 <JohnGalt> this just shows how much of a linux noob I still am 12:56:07 <Ammler> @seen zuu 12:56:07 <DorpsGek> Ammler: zuu was last seen in #openttd 5 days, 12 hours, 53 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: <Zuu> Good night 12:56:33 <JohnGalt> ok well that helps for now, thanks again... gtg 12:56:36 *** JohnGalt [~johan@41.151.39.65] has left #openttd [Leaving] 13:07:07 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:6d71:6c56:4612:7cab] has joined #openttd 13:07:10 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:07:10 <Belugas> hello 13:07:59 <Alberth> hello Belugas 13:08:14 <Belugas> hello hem... Alberth ;) 13:33:15 <Belugas> svn up is finished. nice... no conflicts... i DO wonder why 13:36:07 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:37:01 <peter1138> no changes :) 13:38:26 <Alberth> you were the only committer :) 13:42:07 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: belugas * r19922 /trunk/src/lang/english.txt: -Fix[FS#3815]: Use of better english. "by" instead of "with" (planetmaker) 13:42:16 <Belugas> yup 13:53:57 <Belugas> mmh... next challenge: i have this stream that represents a web page. I need to dump it on a component that will display it without the use of a temp file (which would be the easiest way around) 13:54:19 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:54:33 <Belugas> of course, it's a credit card processing page 13:55:25 <Alberth> cStringIO in Python :) 13:57:37 <Belugas> mmh... let me add another layer of complexity... in Delphi 6 ;) 14:02:13 <Alberth> better job security :) 14:02:35 *** orudge_ [~orudge@75-149-149-225-Minnesota.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #openttd 14:03:14 <Belugas> hehehe 14:03:21 <Belugas> of course my dear ;) 14:04:20 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbab65a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 14:17:49 <Ammler> Alberth: newgrf gui is awesome :-) 14:18:25 <Alberth> I'd say 'more useful' :) 14:18:53 <Alberth> I think there is still room for improvement 14:20:59 <Ammler> did you ever review the station gui patch? 14:22:01 <Alberth> is there a 'the' patch for the station gui? 14:22:14 <Alberth> probably no 14:22:16 <Alberth> *not 14:23:08 <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/566/station_gui.png 14:23:16 <Ammler> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=41222 14:23:28 <Alberth> oh, that one. No I didn't. 14:23:52 <Ammler> it is also quite nice resizeable 14:24:49 <Ammler> ah, Terkhen took a look 14:25:23 <Terkhen> IIRC it was some minor corrections 14:25:32 <Terkhen> oh, that other patch :) 14:25:53 <planetmaker> oh... my 'better' English :-) 14:25:57 <Alberth> the new version,apparently 14:26:12 <Terkhen> yeah, I did not check the second version though 14:37:50 *** KouDy [~KouDy@rb5ck203.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 14:57:55 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has joined #openttd 15:14:21 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 15:23:36 *** Gab [~Gabriev@159.153.144.23] has joined #openttd 15:23:38 *** Gab [~Gabriev@159.153.144.23] has quit [] 15:26:07 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbab65a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:27:21 *** Gabriev [~Gabriev@bas7-montrealak-1128544572.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:29:51 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f5901.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:36:51 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC3F53.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:41:28 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC3F53.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:42:53 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 15:44:22 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:49:24 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC3F53.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:50:32 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:58:07 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:11:46 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 16:50:47 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbab65a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:52:07 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.209] has joined #openttd 17:12:47 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbab65a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:13:27 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 17:34:20 *** tft [~tft@test.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:34:24 <tft> . 17:36:38 *** tft [~tft@test.dnsbl.oftc.net] has left #openttd [] 17:45:41 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r19923 /trunk/src/lang/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 17:45:41 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:41 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: czech - 14 changes by Hadez 17:45:41 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: korean - 1 changes by junho2813 17:45:41 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: norwegian_bokmal - 157 changes by jhsoby 17:45:43 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: russian - 1 changes by Lone_Wolf 17:45:43 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: urdu - 2 changes by zohair 17:55:42 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 18:01:26 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host138-233-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:01:42 <Wolf01> hi 18:02:32 <Terkhen> hi Wolf01 18:08:43 *** Jhs [~Jhs4@212.80-202-26.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 18:14:11 <Belugas> yo Wolf01 18:20:47 <Yexo> TrueBrain: any news yet on a car for the 19th? 18:21:00 <andythenorth> evening 18:21:23 <TrueBrain> taken car of, as promised ;) 18:21:44 <__ln__> "car of".. :) 18:21:59 <Yexo> ok :) 18:24:02 <Rubidium> how many are going to spend the night here? 18:24:10 <Rubidium> we're with 4 right now, right? 18:24:43 <Rubidium> and, did blathijs intend to go too? If so, is the car big enough? 18:25:12 <TrueBrain> can't remember if blathijs wanted to go; of course 5 people can go in the car, but it won't be comfy ;) 18:25:35 <TrueBrain> and yeah, planetmaker, we can crash at your place, or do we need to find something? :) 18:26:02 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.18.86] has joined #openttd 18:26:07 <planetmaker> bring insulation matrace and sleeping bag and you're welcome to stay at my place 18:26:23 <planetmaker> otherwise it might be a bit uncomfy ;-) 18:26:31 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: you lot can sleep at my place :) 18:26:36 <Rubidium> or at least 4 can 18:26:41 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: you want to drive back at night? 18:26:43 <planetmaker> actually I counted on you to stay at my place :-) 18:27:24 <planetmaker> going back and forth on one day is... exhausing 18:27:33 <Rubidium> staying there's fine too, though need to find some camping gear then :) 18:27:39 <TrueBrain> yeah, I was not planning on that :p 18:27:48 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: where did you live again? 18:27:52 <Rubidium> brunswijk! :) 18:27:58 <planetmaker> ^ :-) 18:28:15 <planetmaker> also called Braunschweig by the natives 18:28:19 <TrueBrain> 3 hour drive from Rubidium's place 18:28:20 <Rubidium> just follow the E30 from Alphen a/d Rijn 18:28:23 <TrueBrain> in theory we could drive back ... 18:28:37 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: what did you have planned for the day? 18:28:38 <planetmaker> well, I'm fine either way :-) 18:29:05 <TrueBrain> we should be at your place around 13:00 I believe .. 18:29:16 <planetmaker> I thought we would start our party somewhen after lunch, and somewhen finish after a joint BBQ in the evening 18:29:21 <planetmaker> yeah, about that time 18:29:32 <planetmaker> Given travel distances, the timing cannot be perfect anyway 18:29:36 <TrueBrain> k, if we then leave at around 22:00, we can go back home ;) 18:30:01 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: if so, I can drive the last leg back home too, one hour more or less won't hurt me 18:30:14 <TrueBrain> the other two might want to stay at your place though ;) 18:30:18 <planetmaker> you're crazy :-) 18:30:38 <planetmaker> granted, I did it once BS-Eindhoven and back, too 18:30:41 <TrueBrain> that in general we are :) 18:30:44 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: it's like at least 1.5 hours to get to Leiden 18:30:45 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:30:45 <planetmaker> But... 18:30:52 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: at night? Hahahaha :) 18:31:00 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: true. Actually crazyness is nothing which is new around here ;-) 18:31:01 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: I once drove 10 hours back from France, with 2 hours sleep in between :p 18:31:10 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: trajectcontrole 18:31:12 <TrueBrain> in fact, once drove 3 times up and down from Breda to Antwerpen on a single day 18:31:17 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: Bordeaux-BS is feasable w/o stop-over, too ;-) 18:31:24 <planetmaker> Like 10am - 2am ;-) 18:31:49 <planetmaker> (that was with a trailer, that's why it took longer) 18:31:54 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: but yeah, you are right, it is more like 2 hours .. 18:31:59 <TrueBrain> weird ... thought it was shorter 18:32:19 <planetmaker> Rubidium: you're in Utrecht? 18:32:20 <__ln__> perhaps the universe expanded between the two 18:32:38 <Yexo> TrueBrain: I do have a drivers licence, so if it's allowed (dunno the exact rules if you rent a car) I could drive a part of the journey 18:32:52 <TrueBrain> Yexo: no, costs more money :p 18:32:58 <TrueBrain> and the driving isn't the issue really :) 18:33:04 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: depends upon rental company 18:33:16 <Yexo> it might be, if you want to get back to leiden on the same night 18:33:17 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: all dutch rental companies ask more money for it 18:33:27 <planetmaker> really? That sucks 18:33:30 <Yexo> but that's up to you 18:33:31 <TrueBrain> google is weird ... 4:30 to get to planetmaker 18:33:34 <TrueBrain> 2 hour to get to Rubidium 18:33:41 <TrueBrain> 3 hours to get to planetmaker from Rubidium 18:33:42 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: speed limits ;-) 18:33:45 <TrueBrain> it doesn't add up :p 18:33:57 <planetmaker> And: you'd go another route, I guess, if you don't stop over. 18:34:04 <planetmaker> Consider the travel time within the town 18:34:11 <planetmaker> Which you'd pass on the highway otherwise 18:34:13 <TrueBrain> I picked Hengelo 18:34:17 <TrueBrain> which is nearly on the A1 :p 18:34:18 <TrueBrain> but okay :) 18:34:21 <TrueBrain> I guess you are right 18:34:37 <TrueBrain> Yexo / Rubidium: well, it is a bit up to you guys; I have no issues staying over at planetmaker's, but also no issues driving back 18:34:41 <Rubidium> going into town centers seriously slows down stuff 18:35:07 <Rubidium> ~2:48 from my house to planetmaker 18:35:19 <planetmaker> that's... like no time! 18:35:26 <Yexo> I don't mind either, both if fine 18:35:32 <TrueBrain> that assumes you do the speed-limits in Germany 18:35:34 <TrueBrain> hahahahahahahahaha 18:35:38 <Rubidium> and ~2:01 from my house to TB 18:35:42 <Yexo> I'll have to get back to eindhoven on sunday anyway 18:36:01 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: there are speed limits in Germany, especially on the 'straight' route 18:36:07 <TrueBrain> there are, I know 18:36:28 <planetmaker> Rubidium: there's more speed - limited highway in Germany than not 18:36:38 *** Brin [~KouDy@rb5ck203.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 18:36:43 <planetmaker> Just making a general one is like commiting political suicide 18:37:31 <TrueBrain> hahaha, you are not allowed to drive slower than 100 km/h in Germany on highways 18:38:08 <Belugas> what the fuck am i doing on this continent :S 18:38:14 <Belugas> grrrrrrr 18:38:40 <Rubidium> anyone fancy a French (Paris - Gare du Nord) micromeet on the 18th in the (early) morning? :) 18:39:09 <Alberth> Belugas: hop on a plane 18:39:32 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: what are you going to do? :) 18:39:43 <Belugas> if only it was that simple, Alberth :( 18:39:51 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: waiting for my connecting train :) 18:39:57 <Rubidium> getting breakfast 18:40:31 <TrueBrain> but okay, Rubidium, where am I supposed to pick up Yexo / Alberth? Figured out a place already? :p 18:40:43 <Alberth> Belugas: depending on how badly you want to return afterwards, it might be more complicated 18:41:05 <Alberth> afaik Galgenwaard stadion Utrecht, at 10:00, right? 18:41:08 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: Herculesplein in Utrecht (at least, that's what's quickest for everyone) 18:41:19 <orudge_> <Rubidium> anyone fancy a French (Paris - Gare du Nord) micromeet on the 18th in the (early) morning? :) <-- you could have a Paris micro-meet to coincide with WineConf this year, perhaps, which in theory will be in Paris this year :p 18:41:23 <orudge_> but that'll be a few months away 18:41:38 <TrueBrain> it was the 19th btw, right? 18:41:50 <Alberth> I think so :) 18:41:58 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: yes, the 19th 18:42:28 <Rubidium> I'd say 09:45, as at ~09:42 the bus with Yexo/Alberth arrives (and the next comes some 30 minutes later) 18:42:49 <TrueBrain> I leave at 0900 18:42:50 *** KouDy [~KouDy@rb5ck203.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:42:50 *** Brin is now known as KouDy 18:42:54 <Rubidium> and my bus should arrive at 09:39 18:42:59 <TrueBrain> should get me there at 0946, if you believe Google kungfu 18:43:06 <Belugas> it was 19:19, on the 19th, and Belugas had the blues 18:43:27 <Alberth> great moment to make some music 18:43:33 <TrueBrain> MUSIC!!! 18:43:37 <TrueBrain> # FIRE!!!!!! 18:43:43 <planetmaker> bring music :-) 18:43:56 <TrueBrain> Alberth: you any opinion: staying at planetmaker's or Rubidium's? 18:44:12 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: I have 60 GiB of music on a portable HD 18:44:16 <TrueBrain> needed it for the last party I gave :p 18:44:21 <TrueBrain> contains 2000 hours of music :p 18:44:32 <Alberth> that was a long party :p 18:44:40 <TrueBrain> still ongoing 18:45:08 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe32dc00-253.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 18:46:18 <TrueBrain> Alberth: but that is no answer to my question 18:46:31 <Alberth> it does not matter much to me, it kind of depends on how nice the evening is going to be, but we don't know until that night :p 18:46:45 <planetmaker> :-D 18:46:56 <TrueBrain> so, Rubidium, find your sleeping bag 18:46:59 <TrueBrain> beg 18:47:01 <TrueBrain> back 18:47:02 <TrueBrain> what ever 18:47:02 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: bring it. My collection is very small 18:47:05 <TrueBrain> if we are sick of planetmaker, we leave 18:47:07 <TrueBrain> if not, we stay :p 18:47:15 <Alberth> anyway, I plan to take sleeping stuff with me, it does not matter much as we have a car 18:47:18 <planetmaker> pffft! 18:47:28 <TrueBrain> so planetmaker, if we leave, you are boring 18:47:33 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: who else attends? 18:48:08 <planetmaker> let's see.... Zuu, __ln__, michi_cc, frosch, Eddi,... 18:48:23 <TrueBrain> Zuu really? Impressive :) 18:48:37 <__ln__> are you implying we're going to listen to something else than John Broomhall's compositions for a mid-90's computer game?! 18:48:48 <planetmaker> SmatZ, dihedral 18:48:54 <planetmaker> Ammler maybe? 18:49:07 <TrueBrain> can't wait to meet a few of you guys :) Haha :) 18:49:20 <planetmaker> Hirundo 18:49:22 <Rubidium> if we leave around 9:50 in Utrecht, we'll be around 13:30 in Braunschweig... so we'll need to fetch some lunch somewhere in Bad Oeynhausen :) 18:49:24 <Ammler> well, it is a long trip :-) 18:49:46 <planetmaker> it is... 18:50:24 <TrueBrain> that is the most fun of it :) 18:50:27 <TrueBrain> ROAD TRIP! 18:50:33 <Rubidium> long will be quite relative for me at that time :) 18:50:33 <TrueBrain> I expect the others in my car understand that concept 18:50:44 <planetmaker> :-D 18:51:33 <TrueBrain> I considered renting a Peugeot 308CC 18:51:36 <Belugas> [14:47] <Alberth> anyway, I plan to take sleeping stuff with me, <--- PILLS! 18:51:56 <TrueBrain> or a Volvo C70 :p 18:52:42 <Rubidium> C70 I could live with, 308CC seems a bit too small 18:52:49 <TrueBrain> hahahaha 18:52:50 <TrueBrain> they both are :p 18:53:10 <TrueBrain> latest xkcd is briliant once again :) 18:54:34 <Ammler> TrueBrain: I would need to travel the half way alone 18:54:44 <Ammler> ~4hours 18:55:09 <Rubidium> scared of travelling alone? 18:55:34 <__ln__> Ammler: are you from .ch or was i thinking about someone else 18:55:37 <Ammler> no, just refer to "ROAD TRIP" :-) 18:55:52 <Ammler> __ln__: yes, I am from Amden 18:56:19 <Rubidium> did a road trip in the USA (CA,NV,AZ) back when it was somewhat sane 18:56:31 <Rubidium> well, s/sane/saner/ 18:56:59 <TrueBrain> Ammler: well, too bad 18:57:31 <PeterT> * tft (~tft@test.dnsbl.oftc.net" target="_blank">test.dnsbl.oftc.net) has left #openttd <-- I thought test.dnsbl.oftc.net" target="_blank">test.dnsbl.oftc.net was banned here? 18:58:11 <TrueBrain> tor is 18:58:20 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: the banlist disagrees with you there 18:58:23 <TrueBrain> and kyp is 18:58:29 <PeterT> ah 18:58:43 <PeterT> Ok, dnsbl are usually spammers 18:58:50 <PeterT> hence the "dns black list" part :-) 18:58:58 <TrueBrain> @op 18:59:03 <TrueBrain> hmm 18:59:04 <PeterT> you're already opped :-) 18:59:05 <TrueBrain> already am +o 18:59:12 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: but "test" is "did not quite meet the criteria" 18:59:35 <PeterT> Eddi|zuHause: ok, sorry 18:59:35 <TrueBrain> wtf did my client just do :s 18:59:46 <PeterT> what happened? 18:59:58 <PeterT> does it not show you're opped? 19:00:02 <Eddi|zuHause> we get signal 19:00:38 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: but what kind of pkw did you rent? 19:00:48 <TrueBrain> pkw? 19:01:13 <Eddi|zuHause> PersonenKraftWagen (german abbreviation for passenger car) 19:01:20 <TrueBrain> I am not german 19:01:23 <TrueBrain> I refuse to speak german 19:01:24 <TrueBrain> just so you know 19:01:29 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: I told them to surprise me :D 19:01:29 <PeterT> Personenkraftwagen ? 19:01:34 <TrueBrain> Monday I should have it 19:01:37 <PeterT> oh, never mind 19:01:49 <Ammler> TrueBrain: you have to in pm-land :-P 19:02:04 <TrueBrain> you would be surprised how good I can kick people in real life too 19:02:12 <TrueBrain> did I adjust any bans in the last 10 minutes? 19:02:15 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: a Van Hool AGG300 would be fun :) 19:02:19 <Ammler> mÀh, I should go too then :-) 19:02:22 <__ln__> hmm, straight-line distance a mere 1160 kilometres. 19:02:31 <TrueBrain> LOL @ Rubidium 19:03:04 <planetmaker> Ammler: yes, you should :-) 19:03:24 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: that's a funny vehicle ;) 19:03:39 <TrueBrain> @deop 19:03:42 *** mode/#openttd [-o TrueBrain] by DorpsGek 19:04:45 <PeterT> <TrueBrain> did I adjust any bans in the last 10 minutes? <-- Not that I see 19:04:46 <Eddi|zuHause> "only" 72l / 100km 19:05:02 <TrueBrain> tnx PeterT 19:05:09 <TrueBrain> 77 commits, and 15 days 19:05:14 <PeterT> :-) 19:05:14 <orudge_> you and your silly litres/100km 19:05:17 <TrueBrain> you guys have to hurry 19:05:21 <orudge_> although, that's, hmm, 3.92 miles per UK gallon 19:05:21 <orudge_> nice 19:05:30 <orudge_> also, silly America with their silly gallons that are different to ours :p 19:05:42 <PeterT> hehe 19:05:59 <planetmaker> yes, it should be floating ounces per pico light year 19:06:06 <Eddi|zuHause> orudge_: l/100km is easier to compare... 19:06:16 <orudge_> personally, if Britain were ever to completely metricate, I think kilometres per litre would seem to make more sense than litres per 100km, but that's just the way we're used to doing it I guess 19:06:22 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: do we have wifi at yours? 19:06:28 <planetmaker> yep 19:06:38 <planetmaker> gues why you can talk to me right now ;-) 19:06:42 * andythenorth needs to check cb 14A 19:07:03 <planetmaker> I might need to check to allow any mac address for that day 19:07:10 <planetmaker> currently it's limited to my two computers 19:07:23 <TrueBrain> yeah, else I would have brought my own wifi access point ;) 19:07:23 <orudge_> Eddi|zuHause: I don't see how it's any easier or more difficult to compare than miles per gallon. Of course, it's not necessarily easier to compare the two between each other, but two figures in mpg and two figures in l/100km should be just as easy to compare. 50mpg > 30mpg, compared to, say, 10l/100km < 20l/100km, I guess. 19:07:24 <TrueBrain> hahaha :p 19:07:31 <orudge_> it's just you lot do it the wrong way round ;) 19:08:19 <andythenorth> ummm 19:08:24 <andythenorth> how do I check cb14A 19:08:43 <andythenorth> it's not by using 24 00 - that would be....stupid :P 19:09:22 <andythenorth> so how do I translate 14A to a byte? 19:09:26 <frosch123> you mean \wx 14a ? 19:09:31 <Eddi|zuHause> orudge_: i guess it's just a matter of getting used to... 19:09:36 <orudge_> Eddi|zuHause: indeed 19:09:46 <andythenorth> frosch123: yes 19:09:46 <Eddi|zuHause> over here you know, 6 is a good car, 12 is a bad car, and 30 is an american car :p 19:09:51 * orudge_ has had to get used to lots of silly American measurements 19:09:58 <orudge_> which us Brits stopped using years ago (well, most of them) 19:10:08 <orudge_> and then there's the fact American liquid measurements differ from the British equivalents 19:10:16 <PeterT> Eddi|zuHause: lol 19:10:25 <orudge_> which is most obvious when one orders a pint of beer :( 19:10:29 * andythenorth is having a hex brain fail 19:10:35 <orudge_> and one gets 473ml, instead of 568ml 19:11:04 <frosch123> andythenorth: hint, you cannot encode 14a into a single byte 19:11:08 <frosch123> :p 19:11:14 <Eddi|zuHause> orudge_: in germany, "one beer" may get you 0,2l to 1l, depending on area... 19:11:20 <andythenorth> 14 10? 19:11:29 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 19:11:37 <frosch123> why don't you use the escapes? 19:11:54 <frosch123> (btw. it would be 4a 01) 19:11:56 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: more like 4a 01 19:12:02 <andythenorth> well I could but then I don't learn anything (or remember what I once learnt but forgot) 19:12:18 <PeterT> how do you say "please change your game nick" in german? 19:12:26 <orudge_> Eddi|zuHause: I found quite a variety of volumes in Vancouver 19:12:31 <orudge_> some places would serve a proper Imperial pint 19:12:33 <orudge_> others a US pint 19:12:34 <orudge_> others 500ml 19:12:36 <orudge_> others something lower 19:12:41 <orudge_> there didn't seem to be any consistency 19:12:53 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Flieht, ihr Narren!] 19:12:56 <frosch123> PeterT: \kick 19:13:00 <orudge_> whereas in Britain, unless you buy something from a bottle, beer is legally required to be served as either a third, half or full pint 19:13:14 <PeterT> frosch123: ? 19:13:56 <Eddi|zuHause> well, typically you order a "small beer" [0,2 (near cologne) or 0,3 (elsewhere)] or a "large beer" [0,4 (near cologne) or 0,5 (elsewhere)], unless you're in munich 19:14:07 <planetmaker> PeterT: Bitte gib mir Tiernamen 19:14:19 <PeterT> thanks pm :-) 19:14:40 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: you should write that on uncyclopedia :) 19:14:46 <orudge_> Eddi|zuHause: well, I guess some beer is better than no beer :) 19:14:47 <planetmaker> :-D 19:14:55 <PeterT> apparently about 50% ofthe players on my server are german :-D 19:15:10 <frosch123> PeterT: do not bother, that will reduce fast 19:15:45 <PeterT> O_o 19:15:57 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC3F53.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:27:28 <andythenorth> what would be an acceptable value to return to cb 14A? My code seems to fail.... 19:27:40 <andythenorth> http://paste.openttd.org/225860 19:27:59 <andythenorth> this is of vital importance to reduce the amount of FAIL when using industry colours :P 19:30:03 <frosch123> what is it supposed to do? 19:30:43 <andythenorth> currently....I just want to over-ride the random color and set all cc the same....I'll work out a color table later 19:30:44 <frosch123> i guess you lack at least the "80" for the callback results, but there is more stuff without function 19:30:47 <andythenorth> doh 19:31:01 <andythenorth> the constant is just to stop renum whining 19:31:50 <andythenorth> all cement plants are now dark green :) 19:31:53 <andythenorth> thanks frosch123 19:32:10 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC3F53.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:32:17 <andythenorth> unless....perhaps 21 industries randomly picked the same color :P 19:32:38 <frosch123> 21? unlikely. if it were 23, well.. 19:35:11 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC44C3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:40:41 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-226-10.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:40:44 <andythenorth> does varaction 2 random need multiples of 4 or 8 or anything? I forget....sorry 19:41:29 <frosch123> quite possible, but i cannot remember either 19:45:16 <__ln__> where did mr. T live, and has someone invited him? :) 19:50:50 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: terkhen * r19924 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#3868](r19172): Road/tram ownership was not set correctly when building drive-through stops. 19:54:29 <planetmaker> who's Mr T? 19:54:57 <__ln__> Tron 19:55:23 <Rubidium> someone with a bad attitude 19:55:58 <__ln__> someone who i cannot imagine being very social irl 19:55:59 <Rubidium> or isn't that the Mr T you're talking about? 19:56:12 <__ln__> that's him 19:56:17 <Rubidium> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr_T 19:56:58 <__ln__> oh 20:00:21 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd love to have _that_ Mr. T there ;) 20:01:02 <frosch123> do you fear tb's kicking that much? 20:01:43 * andythenorth ponders how to use random var 5F 20:01:44 <planetmaker> I've ops at my place :-P 20:01:50 <andythenorth> cos I am doing it wrong :| 20:02:11 <andythenorth> I need a mask I guess? 20:02:20 <__ln__> is everyone going to label themselves with their nick? 20:02:31 <planetmaker> I hope not :-) 20:03:01 <frosch123> we are going to label eachother with their nicks? 20:03:35 <Eddi|zuHause> wasn't there a game where you write a name on someones forehead and they have to guess who they are? :p 20:04:04 <__ln__> yes. a german student taught us that. 20:04:12 * planetmaker ponders creating a r20k meeting map :-) 20:04:37 <planetmaker> *openttd map. People will surely play the game :-P 20:04:51 <planetmaker> especially as they ask for wifi ;-) 20:06:23 <andythenorth> something is awry :( http://paste.openttd.org/225863 20:06:35 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@87.175.128.182] has joined #openttd 20:06:37 <andythenorth> my random....isn't 20:06:46 <andythenorth> I get the default value every time 20:08:05 <frosch123> 89 5F 00 \dx0A //randomise <- that will limit you to values 0, 2, 8, a 20:08:13 <frosch123> also which revision are you currently using? 20:09:24 <andythenorth> of openttd? 19902 20:09:26 <frosch123> hmm, does not matter 20:09:37 <andythenorth> the mask is wrong no? 20:09:57 <frosch123> you should update to r19907, but it does not matter in this case 20:10:09 <andythenorth> I'll do that anyway 20:10:34 <frosch123> andythenorth: \dx0a masks out all bits, but 2 and 8, leaving you four possible values 20:10:59 <andythenorth> so to get a value in range 0-0A? 20:12:25 <Alberth> you can only get ranges of 2^n if I read frosch correctly 20:12:29 <frosch123> if you want homogenous probabilities, then use a mask of 0xff, multiply by 10 using advvaract2 20:12:53 <frosch123> then shift right by 8 bits 20:12:58 <andythenorth> hmm 20:13:07 <andythenorth> worryingly that makes almost complete sense to me 20:13:21 <Alberth> nice solution! 20:13:35 * andythenorth wonders what's wrong with Math.floor(15 * Math.random()) 20:13:37 <frosch123> if you do not care about the precision, then use 16 values, and add some duplicates 20:13:56 <frosch123> Alberth: that method is used in like 100 places in ottd :p 20:14:20 <Alberth> I didn't encounter much random() yet :) 20:14:42 * andythenorth summons will to write nfo 20:21:39 * andythenorth lost the guessing game: http://paste.openttd.org/225864 20:21:49 * andythenorth wonders about operator 0F? 20:22:53 <frosch123> you did * (10 >> 8), but you need * 10) >> 8 20:23:09 *** Polygon [~Poly@n15-60.dsl.vianetworks.de] has joined #openttd 20:23:20 <andythenorth> m 20:24:56 <andythenorth> frosch123: can't see how to do that 20:25:16 <andythenorth> doesn't look like operator 0F or 11 20:26:19 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: a shift by 8 is equivalent to a division by 256, so you can combine that by a division by 25.6 20:26:20 <frosch123> you can either divide, or rotate and mask 20:26:42 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: how do I do 25.6? 20:26:44 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: otherwise you can nest two varaction 2, first multiply (and return the result 20:26:50 <Eddi|zuHause> and second mask 20:27:14 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: you round to either 25 or 26 ;) 20:27:45 * andythenorth could check var 8A and then remap the results of that 20:28:00 <andythenorth> avoiding baroque stuff 20:30:45 <glx> [20:31:26] <planetmaker> TrueBrain: Bordeaux-BS is feasable w/o stop-over, too ;-) <-- that's crazy 20:30:57 <planetmaker> glx: yes, it is. 20:31:20 <planetmaker> But once you spent two weeks working there like 16h daily, home is all you want ;-) 20:31:33 <glx> (though I did Paris-Perpignan in 12h in a citroen visa 650cc) 20:32:01 <__ln__> glx: btw, are you participating? 20:32:07 <glx> no 20:32:10 <planetmaker> :-( 20:32:29 <TrueBrain> owh, planetmaker, please do send me your exact address or a route-guide via mail please :) 20:37:13 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 20:37:15 * andythenorth abandons using random in nfo :P 20:37:53 <frosch123> so you switch to nml? 20:39:36 <planetmaker> hehe 20:39:51 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: I will. I'll send it to all actually whom I know want to come 20:40:27 <TrueBrain> good good :) 20:41:32 * andythenorth ponders moving 21705 lines of nfo code to nml 20:42:12 <Rubidium> heh, we move much more lines to C++ :) 20:42:33 <__ln__> does any participant besides Eddi speak spanish? 20:42:44 <planetmaker> andythenorth: that will be a pain :-) 20:42:56 <planetmaker> But still... it's worth considering ;-) 20:44:08 <andythenorth> yeah....but no 20:44:19 <andythenorth> there's only one andythenorth 20:44:40 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: i wouldn't say i "speak" spanish... 20:47:17 <__ln__> people who know a language tend to underestimate their skills and people who don't, tend to overestimate 20:51:33 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:51:37 <Yexo> * andythenorth ponders moving 21705 lines of nfo code to nml <- some parts (like action0) could be moved to nml, which then generates an nfo file you can include. that way you don't need to move everything in one go and keep a working project 20:51:42 <Eddi|zuHause> i _really_ don't have a lot of skills in spanish :p 20:52:04 <Yexo> but with a big existing projects it's probably not worth the effort 20:52:08 <frosch123> __ln__: doesn't that apply to every skill? 20:52:14 <andythenorth> of the 21705 lines, there's quite a lot of templated code anyway 20:52:53 <__ln__> frosch123: could be 20:53:10 <__ln__> Eddi|zuHause: vamos a ver 20:53:38 <__ln__> @seen CIA-2 20:53:38 <DorpsGek> __ln__: CIA-2 was last seen in #openttd 1 hour, 2 minutes, and 48 seconds ago: <CIA-2> OpenTTD: terkhen * r19924 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#3868](r19172): Road/tram ownership was not set correctly when building drive-through stops. 20:53:50 *** orudge_ [~orudge@75-149-149-225-Minnesota.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:54:02 * andythenorth eliminates some colours that *suck* from FIRS industries :) 20:54:05 <__ln__> 76 to go... 20:55:10 <planetmaker> __ln__: do you have a tt-forums account? 20:55:58 <planetmaker> if so: what's its name? 20:56:04 <__ln__> nope... i guess i could create one. 20:56:55 <planetmaker> well, don't worry. Do you have e-mail? 20:57:12 <__ln__> come to think of it, i don't think i have an account on any web-based forum :) 20:57:19 <__ln__> planetmaker: lanurmi@iki.fi 20:57:28 <planetmaker> :-P 20:59:28 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: you should have a forum mail :-) 21:00:34 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19925 /trunk/src/ (rail_cmd.cpp station_cmd.cpp): -Fix [FS#3859]: one didn't pay for rail when building depots and stations, so with expensive railtypes building stations and then removing the station would be cheaper than just building the rail 21:02:14 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.18.86] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:02:29 <frosch123> night 21:02:32 <andythenorth> night 21:02:34 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f5901.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:07:02 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:07:16 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 21:07:24 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19926 /branches/1.0/src/ (6 files in 2 dirs): 21:07:24 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: [1.0] -Backport from trunk: 21:07:24 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Fix: Default vehicle group texts were drawn one pixel too low [FS#3851] (r19878) 21:07:24 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Fix: It was not possible to send all trains with common waypoint order to depot (r19876) 21:07:24 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Change: Name invalid engines, cargos and industries 'invalid', if the player removed the supplying NewGRFs, hide invalid engines from the purchase list (r19879, r19877) 21:10:31 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19927 /branches/1.0/ (5 files in 5 dirs): 21:10:31 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: [1.0] -Backport from trunk: 21:10:31 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Fix: [YAPP] Inform the pathfinder as well about the fact that the backside of an one-way path signal can be a safe waiting point [FS#3803] (r19896) 21:10:31 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Fix: Allow loading savegames from the console without specifying the ".sav" extension, i.e. make it consistent with saving savegames from the console [FS#3761] (r19885) 21:10:31 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Fix: Dropdowns did affect positioning of new windows because they were not yet removed when the new windows were positioned [FS#3812] (r19883) 21:10:31 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Fix: [NoAI] AIEngine::IsValidEngine() and AIEngine::IsBuildable() returned false positives. Especially wagons of unavailable railtypes were reported available (r19880) 21:11:21 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@89.246.191.144] has joined #openttd 21:13:35 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@dslb-094-220-139-101.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 21:14:37 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19928 /branches/1.0/ (13 files in 6 dirs): 21:14:37 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: [1.0] -Backport from trunk: 21:14:37 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Feature: Translated desktop shortcut comments (r19884) 21:14:37 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Fix: Pay for the rail/road when constructing tunnels, bridges, depots and stations [FS#3859, FS#3827] (r19925, r19887, r19881) 21:14:37 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Fix: Closing chatbox could cause glitches when news message was shown [FS#3865] (r19921) 21:15:47 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:16:07 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Administr@89.246.186.64] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:18:20 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-136-179.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:18:47 <__ln__> cool, a PGP-signed message. 21:19:10 <planetmaker> gnupg ;-) 21:19:43 <planetmaker> hardly anyone uses encryption, though 21:20:09 <__ln__> sadly not 21:21:17 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@dslb-094-220-139-101.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:21:39 <__ln__> and Thunderbird doesn't even treat the signature in any special way... (Evolution did) 21:22:08 <planetmaker> with a friend of mine we usually add subject lines like "nuclear vessel" or alike - and encrypt the messages :-) 21:22:33 <planetmaker> __ln__: Thunderbird does. It verifies signatures 21:22:33 <__ln__> great :) 21:22:35 <Rubidium> nuclear wessel! 21:22:41 <__ln__> nucular! 21:22:52 <planetmaker> at least with the enigmail plugin 21:23:12 <__ln__> m'kay, yeah, but the vanilla thunderbird doesn't 21:23:34 <planetmaker> yep. But you need enigmail anyway, if you want to use gnupg with mail and thunderbird 21:23:46 <planetmaker> it's completely transparent for me this way 21:24:06 <planetmaker> Just my pw required when signing / encrypting / decrypting after some period of inactivity 21:24:23 <__ln__> for wider adoption, encryption stuff really should be integrated into thunderbird. 21:25:01 <planetmaker> I agree 21:25:41 <planetmaker> still, at least all my private mails are signed :-) 21:27:46 <__ln__> and key management should be easier so that it doesn't need a B.Sc. in CS to manage them. 21:28:46 <planetmaker> did you look at enigmail? 21:28:53 <planetmaker> it's IMHO quite good with that 21:28:57 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19929 /branches/1.0/src/lang/ (46 files in 2 dirs): [1.0] -Backport language updates from trunk 21:29:02 * andythenorth ponders how to fix the Aluminium Plant :o 21:29:28 <__ln__> i looked at their web page and i'm about to install it next 21:29:37 <planetmaker> :-) 21:37:08 * andythenorth ponders 21:39:12 <andythenorth> in TTD-style, industries are made up of small blocks....that's a problem for Aluminium Smelters which need a single large building :o 21:39:13 <andythenorth> http://www.nelsonthornes.com/secondary/geography/essential/images/aluminium-smelter.gif 21:40:21 <Nite_Owl> fake it across several tiles like large depots 21:41:30 <andythenorth> I can draw & code it....(I have in fact)...but it looks wrong in game 21:41:46 <Nite_Owl> grocery carrying time - later all 21:41:52 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 21:42:00 * andythenorth thinks of an answer 21:47:39 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-220-139-101.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 21:51:11 <planetmaker> andythenorth: what holds you back to make a large building? 21:51:20 <planetmaker> I mean... aluminum plant IS a huge one 21:55:38 *** bryjen [~bryjen@cpe-75-81-201-131.we.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 22:02:33 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B67C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:12:02 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: more listen, more understand, more know] 22:12:12 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 22:15:22 <planetmaker> are 90° enabled or disabled by default? 22:15:44 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm expecting enabled... 22:16:07 <planetmaker> that'd be a bummer 22:16:13 <Eddi|zuHause> SDT_BOOL(GameSettings, pf.forbid_90_deg, 0, 0, false, STR_CONFIG_SETTING_FORBID_90_DEG, NULL), 22:16:34 <planetmaker> pew 22:16:46 <planetmaker> at least disabled :-) 22:16:56 <Eddi|zuHause> no... "forbid" is disabled 22:17:12 <Eddi|zuHause> so they are allowed by default 22:17:18 <planetmaker> gah. yes. 22:17:36 <Eddi|zuHause> why is that a problem? 22:18:45 <planetmaker> I just wondered why they were enabled in a scenario 22:19:12 <planetmaker> now I can't rant because of crappy settings ;-) 22:20:10 <planetmaker> but for now: good night :-) 22:22:15 <Wolf01> 'night 22:22:18 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host138-233-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:25:27 <Terkhen> good night 22:29:29 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC44C3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!] 22:42:36 *** Polygon [~Poly@n15-60.dsl.vianetworks.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:46:07 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-64-136-106-77.eidsiva.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:47:31 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-62-139-106-77.eidsiva.net] has joined #openttd 22:47:37 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 22:52:54 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 23:02:30 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:14:41 *** KouDy [~KouDy@rb5ck203.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:22:46 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.9.250.146] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2] 23:29:56 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@yoda.zernebok.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:32:29 *** dih [~dih@znc.noaddedsugar.net] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 23:33:08 *** Andel [~andel@owenrudge.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:37:48 *** orudge [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:41:11 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 23:42:02 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has quit [Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12] 23:42:58 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 23:44:30 *** orudge [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 23:45:10 *** fjb is now known as Guest824 23:45:12 *** fjb [~frank@p5485BB84.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:45:20 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:45:53 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 23:48:34 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:49:15 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 23:50:22 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:51:05 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 23:52:26 *** Guest824 [~frank@p5485F353.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:53:23 *** bryjen [~bryjen@cpe-75-81-201-131.we.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:53:25 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 23:58:38 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@yoda.zernebok.com] has joined #openttd 23:59:28 *** Andel [~andel@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd