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00:15:21 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc1697.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:36:56 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:40:43 <OwenS> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ad/Sts134_mission_poster.jpg <-- Is it just me... or are NASA being just a liiitle silly there? :p 00:53:35 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9FE5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:14:08 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 01:16:00 <elho> lol 01:19:18 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 01:35:37 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:35:52 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC5821.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!] 01:41:29 <SpComb> they can afford ot... 01:47:18 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:8c17:76a8:c3c8:ca20] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:05:07 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:25:54 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@188.109.253.204] has joined #openttd 02:31:22 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@188.109.255.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:35:12 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [] 02:42:59 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d226.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:18:29 *** zodttd2 is now known as zodttd 03:45:47 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:50:05 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:50:06 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 04:40:19 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-129-138-106-77.eidsiva.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:42:26 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-129-138-106-77.eidsiva.net] has joined #openttd 04:44:38 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 04:57:40 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77F57.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:24:55 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe32dc00-253.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 05:27:17 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:20:52 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75CF0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:36:35 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 06:52:03 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 07:02:58 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 07:14:42 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-48-206.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:16:59 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-38-198.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 07:17:02 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 07:19:38 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 07:32:18 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f6a04.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 07:43:27 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:49:06 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:58:24 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.202] has joined #openttd 08:03:02 <andythenorth> morning 08:03:11 <Alberth> good morning 08:04:46 <Alberth> hehe, 0.6.3 fails to compile with my newer compiler :) 08:08:18 * andythenorth wonders when FIRS will get to rev 1K 08:09:20 <Alberth> in about 100 changes :) 08:11:23 <Alberth> oh, you even have a road map 08:12:34 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 08:12:41 <frosch123> morning andy, morning albert :) 08:13:51 <Alberth> morning, happy frosch123 08:18:47 <frosch123> hmm, let me guess, SmallMap::Insert is unuset yet :p 08:21:58 <Alberth> hmm, a different map than I was thinking about :) 08:25:26 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: why? does it have a fatal bug? :p 08:25:37 <frosch123> it does not even compile :p 08:25:42 <frosch123> when used 08:25:56 <frosch123> SmallPair misses a matching new operator 08:26:37 *** snc [~snc@ip10.rdlbnc.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:26:37 *** welshdragon [~dragon@ip05.rdlbnc.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:32:32 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D738.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:53:24 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:55:40 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:57:16 <planetmaker> good morning 08:58:31 <planetmaker> I'd like to draw your attention to one of the most important forum threads ;-) http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=48825 09:00:27 <Mazur> Mood gorning. 09:01:56 <frosch123> euh, you are posting how to reach you on the forums? 09:02:38 <frosch123> what if 1000 drunken teenagers turn up? 09:02:41 <frosch123> :p 09:04:39 <planetmaker> then we're screwed 09:05:00 <planetmaker> hm... 09:05:13 <planetmaker> I'm not happy with it, I have to admit 09:05:51 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC5821.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:06:04 <planetmaker> hm. I guess I should take direct address out 09:09:00 <planetmaker> done 09:13:00 <frosch123> :) 09:13:46 <planetmaker> I do assume right that you'll stay here over night, right? 09:14:17 <planetmaker> as will Eddi|zuHause I assume? 09:14:31 <planetmaker> and SmatZ and Zuu(?) 09:15:04 <planetmaker> The Dutchies should then decide whether they drive back or not - or stay at michi_cc's place 09:15:52 <frosch123> well, I have three options: buy a sleeping bag, rent a hotel room, sleep at relatives (which i am going to do from friday->saturday, but i do not want to turn up there somewhen saturday night) 09:16:21 <planetmaker> well. I have one sleeping bag here. First come first serve ;-) 09:19:54 <planetmaker> so, if you say now "me!" you can use mine :-) 09:20:31 <frosch123> ok, me! 09:20:35 <frosch123> :) 09:21:00 <planetmaker> done :-) 09:21:29 <Mazur> If I were coming, I'd take the hotel. 09:21:55 <planetmaker> as a bonus you also get my comfy self-inflating large mattrace :-) 09:22:01 <planetmaker> -t 09:22:13 <Mazur> s/ce/ss/ 09:22:33 <Eddi|zuHause> well, staying and bringing a sleeping bag isn't a problem. i'm unsure as to the logistics of coming and going... 09:23:45 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: as long as the trains go, there's a way to the station :-) 09:23:56 <planetmaker> Don't worry about getting up early :-) 09:24:03 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, but trains are awfully expensive... 09:24:16 <planetmaker> I've seen friends leaving at 6:30h after we went to bed at 4:30h 09:24:50 <planetmaker> (for similar reasons as you have to leave) 09:25:58 <Terkhen> good morning 09:26:53 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: you'd also get a car for ~60⬠09:27:20 <planetmaker> (and maybe 30⬠fuel from Halle and back) 09:27:52 <planetmaker> but that's not really that cheap either 09:28:17 <planetmaker> good morning Therken 09:28:42 <planetmaker> hm... autocompletion on "morning" would have given both, a strange highlight and a funny sentence ;-) 09:29:28 <Eddi|zuHause> plenty of "m" people here ;) 09:30:01 <Eddi|zuHause> but you faild autocompleting the actual nick :p 09:34:40 <planetmaker> yes, I typed then out of surprise completely manually ;-) 09:37:55 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 09:41:45 <Terkhen> :P 09:42:10 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r19970 /trunk/src/core/smallmap_type.hpp: -Fix (r14742): SmallMap::Insert() did not compile. Construct new items like operator[]. 09:44:06 <Eddi|zuHause> a compile error existing for >5000 revisions, is that a record? :) 09:48:20 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 09:49:17 <planetmaker> eh? How did we produce the binaries then? 09:49:30 <planetmaker> Or wasn't it used and just optimized away? 09:50:01 <Eddi|zuHause> it's templated code, these aren't processed when they are not used 09:50:59 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc1697.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 09:51:24 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 09:57:13 <planetmaker> aye 10:02:21 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:03:45 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:04:17 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:07:30 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC5821.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!] 10:25:17 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.9.250.146] has joined #openttd 10:28:11 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DAF83.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:31:50 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-72-20.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:39:16 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:43:28 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 10:45:32 *** b_jonas [~x@dsl51B66BC6.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 10:53:17 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:02:18 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 11:07:39 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c636.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:11:39 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-27-55-215.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 11:12:32 <__ln__> http://i.imgur.com/GsC20.png 11:12:56 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:15:51 <planetmaker> lol 11:15:54 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:23:47 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:25:19 <frosch123> :p 11:37:10 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:39:22 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.25.99.137] has joined #openttd 11:42:21 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc1697.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:49:00 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 11:55:42 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 12:08:48 <VVG> Mine ottd 19967 crashes, when loading coop games PGS164 and prozone12 :( 12:10:59 <planetmaker> VVG: you probably have the wrong ISR version 12:11:04 <planetmaker> though #164... dunno 12:11:26 <planetmaker> what does the crash.log look like (use paste.openttd.org) 12:12:11 <VVG> what isr version is right? i have full otdd coop pack in data folder 12:12:34 <Ammler> you have right version, please paste your error 12:13:51 <VVG> http://paste.openttd.org/225927 12:14:17 <VVG> that's for 164 12:15:13 <frosch123> that assertion is quite new 12:15:21 <SmatZ> and it doesn't fail for me 12:15:23 <planetmaker> yeah 12:15:26 <planetmaker> doesn't fail for me 12:15:28 <frosch123> interesting that it is trigered by certain savegames 12:16:31 <SmatZ> frosch123: you can reproduce it? 12:16:39 <frosch123> did not try 12:16:43 <SmatZ> :( 12:17:05 <planetmaker> VVG: please try to get the correct newgrfs from the ingame newgrf dialog -> check online content 12:17:10 <planetmaker> does it still crash then? 12:17:20 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 12:17:40 <VVG> well, i don't what grfs are correct, since i can check them only ingame 12:18:03 <planetmaker> yes, that's why I asked to check the online content from ingame newgrf window 12:18:10 <SmatZ> VVG: in your paste, Tick 47152: game loaded 12:18:12 <planetmaker> It *should* try to get the correct ones from bananas 12:18:18 <SmatZ> there are few grfs listed as "compatible" 12:18:25 <SmatZ> try to get their new version 12:18:52 <planetmaker> still it's a peculiar assertion for a newgrf interference IMHO 12:19:09 <SmatZ> true 12:19:10 <planetmaker> (if it's one) 12:20:06 <SmatZ> hmm 12:20:18 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:4809:e833:97c2:49c8] has joined #openttd 12:20:21 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:21:08 <SmatZ> something seems to be broken 12:21:17 <SmatZ> I get "Missing NewGRFs have been disabled" message 12:21:27 <SmatZ> but no missing GRF is listed in Gamelog nor in NewGRF window 12:21:28 <planetmaker> really? It loads fine here 12:21:34 <planetmaker> without erros 12:21:37 <planetmaker> *errors 12:21:38 <SmatZ> for a different savegame 12:21:39 <SmatZ> :) 12:21:52 <VVG> i selected upgrades and also downloaded all avaible grfs, still the same, i'll try clean docs folder now 12:22:21 <planetmaker> oh :-) 12:22:35 <planetmaker> VVG: not needed 12:23:32 <VVG> already did it, it now loads 12:23:58 <planetmaker> hm. Did you delete or just rename? 12:24:20 <VVG> rename, now it new clean default forlder with original ttd grfs 12:25:07 <planetmaker> then you'd have many missing newgrfs 12:25:28 <Ammler> the problem might be, as soon as you don't have the matching newgrf (md5), the compatible grf is loaded randomly, could be older 12:25:30 <planetmaker> interesting for us would be: what's different in your (broken) setup from ours 12:25:31 <VVG> atleast now i can check grf window to see what i miss 12:26:00 <planetmaker> Ammler: they are older ones. From our grfpack 12:26:55 <VVG> 164 uses jptrains2 beta 8 grf 12:26:56 <Ammler> you mean, he loaded "compatible" grfs from our pack instead the matching bananas grfs? 12:27:23 <SmatZ> [14:21:15] <SmatZ> something seems to be broken <== and I can't reproduce it anymore :-/ 12:27:46 <planetmaker> Ammler: yes 12:27:58 <planetmaker> when there's no bananas grf present it loads *some* compatible one 12:28:07 <planetmaker> not the matching bananas grf 12:28:18 <Ammler> yes, which are older and mostly incompatible :-) 12:28:30 <planetmaker> SmatZ: we really need newgrf versions :-) 12:28:31 <Ammler> we need to release 8.0 :-P 12:28:33 <planetmaker> like AIs do 12:28:46 <planetmaker> And we need to release OpenTTDcoop grfpack 8.0, yes 12:28:53 <Ammler> :-D 12:29:12 <planetmaker> and grf version 8.0, too :-P 12:29:32 <Ammler> (or nml 1.0) :-P 12:29:45 <planetmaker> grf version has nothing to do with nml version 12:29:59 <Ammler> I thought, you speak about nfo 12:30:10 <planetmaker> nope. grf specs. 12:30:18 <Ammler> so you mean nfo :-P 12:30:32 <Eddi|zuHause> we need the new saveload gui that allows you to download grfs before loading the savegame 12:30:44 <planetmaker> they're independent of nfo. NFO is just the assembler of grf language 12:30:48 <planetmaker> Ammler: nope :-) 12:31:04 <planetmaker> it's like machine code to assembler :-) 12:31:18 <VVG> moved all grfs i have back and now it crashes again :( 12:31:20 <planetmaker> machine code = what OpenTTD reads, assembler = nfo 12:31:43 <planetmaker> VVG: can you get us a dir listing of your grfs you have, including file modification time? 12:31:51 <Ammler> VVG: check the log, does it still load "compatible" grfs? 12:31:54 <planetmaker> both in the data and the contentdownload folders 12:32:05 <planetmaker> and yes, what Ammler tells. 12:32:16 <planetmaker> check the (new) crash.log 12:32:43 <planetmaker> Compatible NewGRF loaded: GRF ID 52453400, checksum 5983783733079BB1978B69668064C0EC, filename: japanese_buildings-2.0\jpbuild2w.grf <-- it shouldn't have lines like this. 12:33:20 <VVG> yup, three lines in crash.log, jptrains, buildings and stations 12:33:45 <VVG> trains and stations from grf pack, buildings from bananas 12:34:34 <Ammler> does it crash right after load? 12:34:57 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC5821.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:35:02 <VVG> while loading, not a chance to get ingame 12:35:18 <VVG> it seems bananas version of jpbuildings is at fault, without it loads 12:35:22 <VVG> with it it crashes 12:36:02 <planetmaker> VVG: where did you get the bananas version? From the download from the main screen? 12:36:17 <VVG> yep 12:36:20 <planetmaker> Did you try to get the correct version from ingame from when the save game loaded? 12:36:29 <planetmaker> That might give you the needed, correct version 12:36:30 <VVG> no 12:36:39 <VVG> it can? 12:36:39 <Ammler> the problem is you can't download old versions from bananas 12:36:41 <planetmaker> the current bananas version is already newer (I think) 12:36:52 <glx> Ammler: you can, but not from main menu 12:37:06 <planetmaker> glx: but how, if the game crashes when you load the savegame? 12:37:31 <glx> wait for new saveload gui maybe 12:37:35 <planetmaker> :-D 12:37:38 <Ammler> you could from here: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/content_download/data/ 12:37:50 <Ammler> but that might not be an official way :-) 12:38:06 <glx> but when it doesn't crash you can get old grfs from ingame newgrf menu :) 12:38:17 <VVG> whoa, would have never guessed it can get older version, and from ingame screen 12:38:20 <Ammler> quite useless, as then you don't need :-) 12:38:22 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but he forgot to do that 12:38:23 <VVG> now it works fine 12:39:42 <VVG> works like a charm now! thanks 12:39:52 <Ammler> how you solved? 12:40:23 <Eddi|zuHause> now we need a reproduceable way in order to fortify the assert against bad grfs 12:40:29 <VVG> removed latest jpbuildings grf i downloaded from bananes from main menu, and got older version from ingame from bananas 12:42:56 <Ammler> well, if a grf crashes openttd, it should change the ID 12:43:21 <b_jonas> is it normal if I raise lots of water just so that a city has area to grow? 12:44:01 <andythenorth> YES 12:44:02 <andythenorth> oops 12:44:03 <andythenorth> yes 12:44:20 <andythenorth> I create new land often to allow coastal cities to expand 12:44:38 <b_jonas> great 12:46:35 <planetmaker> b_jonas: look at the Netherlands ;-) 12:47:04 <planetmaker> andythenorth: did you see my map size patch? 12:47:09 <b_jonas> heh 12:47:59 <andythenorth> not yet 12:48:40 <andythenorth> planetmaker: where is the patch? 12:49:16 <planetmaker> in your issue about clustering 12:49:22 <planetmaker> I extended that issue a bit ;-) 12:53:24 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 12:54:42 <VVG> ottd doesn't crash, if i try only witn newer versions of japanese set, i got from bananas, but it does if i have all my grfs avaible for it ;( 12:55:43 <Ammler> because it loads a random version, if you don't have the matching version. 12:58:13 <b_jonas> I don't get it. these trains keep complaining that they're lost, but they're not. they're just waiting for one another at a signal. 12:59:25 <valhallasw> that's how 'lost' is defined 12:59:42 <valhallasw> not getting at the next order within a certain time period 12:59:45 <planetmaker> valhallasw: nope 12:59:58 <planetmaker> lost = cannot find path to destination 13:00:23 <valhallasw> I must be getting old 13:00:25 <planetmaker> that's not linked to time needed to get there, but only to path finding 13:00:37 <valhallasw> because I'm fairly sure it was that way 13:00:47 <b_jonas> maybe they don't like that they can't pass a presignal because the only exit is closed 13:00:51 <peter1138> hmm, what cool features was i working on? 13:01:03 <planetmaker> road types? 13:01:13 <andythenorth> don't do road types yet :P 13:01:14 <b_jonas> road types? like what? 13:01:23 <andythenorth> I don't have time for all the fun that entails :| 13:01:28 <planetmaker> newObjects? 13:01:40 <peter1138> nah, road types needs more conceptual though than rail types 13:01:44 <andythenorth> newgrf airports? 13:01:52 <planetmaker> that's yexo's baby 13:01:55 <andythenorth> industry 'field' tiles? 13:02:00 <andythenorth> that's frosch's baby 13:02:03 <planetmaker> ;-) 13:02:06 <andythenorth> my baby is... 13:02:08 <planetmaker> you stole my words! 13:02:28 <andythenorth> my baby is often awake at 2am 13:02:39 <planetmaker> he :-P 13:03:19 <peter1138> how is babby formed? 13:03:37 <andythenorth> using a special kind of C++ 13:03:51 <planetmaker> peter1138: maybe wrap-around maps? 13:04:19 <b_jonas> planetmaker: nah, would be confusing humanly 13:04:22 <frosch123> multi-threaded tileloop for clear land? 13:04:46 <planetmaker> hm? 13:04:51 <frosch123> hmm, though there is no clear land, only trees :p 13:05:18 <andythenorth> something cool to do with industries? 13:05:24 <andythenorth> water types? 13:05:35 <planetmaker> peter1138: adding newgrf (minor) versions? 13:05:43 <andythenorth> that would be most useful 13:05:44 <planetmaker> adding newgrf version8 basically? 13:05:45 <peter1138> rivers, canals and ocean isn't enough? heh 13:05:55 <andythenorth> releasing FIRS 0.2 is going to be tricky 13:05:58 <planetmaker> adding rivers to the mapgenerator? 13:06:05 <peter1138> hah 13:06:07 <planetmaker> adding living rivers? 13:06:36 <andythenorth> FIRS 0.2 is epically *not* savegame compatible. But if I bump the grfid...is that good for Bananas? 13:06:38 <VVG> Is there some special setting for generationg oil rigs? Every new game i make have no oil rigs :( 13:06:47 <planetmaker> andythenorth: it's ok with bananas 13:06:49 <andythenorth> VVG: only built after a certain date 13:06:53 <VVG> oh 13:06:53 <Ammler> bananas doesn't care 13:07:04 <andythenorth> but then there are two entries for FIRS? 13:07:08 <planetmaker> nope 13:07:09 <VVG> wait, i have starting date 2100 13:07:15 <planetmaker> you just update as usual 13:07:20 <andythenorth> and break my save game? 13:07:36 <planetmaker> how so? Savegames store the md5sum 13:07:46 <planetmaker> but then you cannot update of course 13:07:57 <andythenorth> so I update, then can't play my save game anymore? 13:08:08 <planetmaker> but on bananas you shouldn't upload incompatible stuff with the same grfID. VERY bad 13:08:11 <andythenorth> VVG not sure. Got enough water on the map? 13:08:19 <planetmaker> andythenorth: you can. But with the old version 13:08:37 <Ammler> bananas doesn't remove old version on update 13:08:49 <planetmaker> after all it's _in_compatible. So an update is not wanted 13:09:04 <b_jonas> VVG: also, do you have enough water near the edge of map? I think oil rigs are only generated there 13:09:05 <planetmaker> If it's compatible, you don't need to bump the grfID. 13:09:24 <b_jonas> VVG: and maybe they don't get generated at start because few people start games with starting date 2100 13:09:31 <andythenorth> b_jonas: oil rigs are generated anywhere, but there has to be enough clear space around them 13:09:43 <VVG> yep, more than enough, 13:09:52 <Ammler> how does a industry set get incompatible? 13:09:54 <planetmaker> andythenorth: nope, they are somewhere near the border IIRC 13:10:05 <andythenorth> nope 13:10:07 <VVG> well, i gave up and tried with firs, now it generated enough of oil rigs. 13:10:09 <planetmaker> Ammler: undefining an industy, changing layouts 13:10:17 <Eddi|zuHause> VVG: banks and oil rigs won't be generated on game start, but they have increased chance to appear ingame 13:10:20 <Ammler> other layout should hurt 13:10:25 <planetmaker> Ammler: also re-defining parameters 13:10:36 <Ammler> isn't that all in the save 13:10:40 <andythenorth> VVG: FIRS :) 13:11:02 <VVG> what i wanted to check, is oil rigs stations air and water vehicles list icons, they are switched, plane icon opens water vehicles list and the other way around 13:11:11 <andythenorth> Ammler: changing accepted / produced cargos, changing layouts, changing tiles / graphics signficantly 13:11:19 <Eddi|zuHause> VVG: you can make a fairly simple newgrf to change the appearance chances, though 13:11:21 <planetmaker> VVG: fixed in newer ones 13:11:21 <VVG> that's 19967 and first 0.1.2 13:11:27 <andythenorth> VVG that just got fixed by Smatz last night I think 13:11:37 <VVG> so fast 13:11:43 <Ammler> andythenorth: that sounds like some glitches but not crashing openttd 13:12:01 <andythenorth> changing strings 13:12:08 <Ammler> dunno, if that is worth a version dump 13:12:15 *** snc [~snc@ip10.rdlbnc.com] has joined #openttd 13:12:16 <andythenorth> changing strings is a regular source of crashing ottd 13:12:17 <planetmaker> Better bump it than not bump it. 13:12:34 <andythenorth> the rest won't crash ottd, but will just ruin a save game 13:12:46 <planetmaker> which is a good reason for a bump. 13:12:58 <planetmaker> After all 'compatible' is more than 'don't crash' 13:13:20 <planetmaker> it's more like "you can continue to play, but have _less_ glitches. 13:13:59 <planetmaker> andythenorth: if you feel like maintaining the grfID in trunk, but making a new one for releases: create a branch ;-) 13:14:08 <andythenorth> hmm 13:14:13 <andythenorth> sounds like overhead 13:14:15 *** welshdragon [~dragon@ip05.rdlbnc.com] has joined #openttd 13:14:16 <planetmaker> but that will give Ammler headaches ;-) 13:14:23 <planetmaker> and me also. 13:14:47 <planetmaker> as it's likely to somewhat break both, Makefile and CompileFarm 13:15:19 <Ammler> well, that is something for >1.0 13:16:30 <Ammler> or if you ever plan to backport a fix 13:20:05 <VVG> btw, is there a nice graph avaible for FIRS, like for ECS vectors, which shows what cargo goes where? 13:20:47 <planetmaker> hehe @ Ammler :-) 13:21:00 <planetmaker> Well, with FIRS it actually would - at some stage - even make sense 13:21:10 <planetmaker> IF minor versions would be supported 13:21:23 <planetmaker> same with 2cctrainset and alike 13:22:51 <planetmaker> andythenorth: does the map size thing give you what you need for the action2s? 13:27:56 <andythenorth> planetmaker: haven't had time to try it yet! interruptions :) 13:28:42 <andythenorth> VVG: there's no up-to-date chart, but there is a list: http://tt-foundry.com/sets/FIRS/schema/industries?economy=point_1_release 13:32:02 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:36:09 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... how would i go and find out the coordinates of the current viewport? 13:37:06 <Alberth> what coordinates at what viewport? 13:37:33 <Eddi|zuHause> main viewport, relative to complete game map 13:37:56 <Alberth> find the main viewport window 13:39:00 <Alberth> the smallmap 'center' button should have the details 13:40:06 <Alberth> the viewport itself has a top-left coordinate, and you know the size and scaling. From that you can compute the center at the map 13:40:35 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-2bf1e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 13:40:54 <frosch123> maybe take a look at the copy&paste of the extra viewport 13:45:44 <Eddi|zuHause> alright, i'll check those 13:48:02 *** Mazur [~mazur@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:48:22 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:02:55 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 14:04:50 <b_jonas> wow, a third tubular bridge 14:06:00 <Zuu> Hmm, do anyone know if bahn.de accept debit VISAs as a) payment method without registrating b) as identification? 14:06:11 <planetmaker> Zuu: yes and yes 14:06:16 <Zuu> Oh, good. 14:06:25 <planetmaker> I'm not 100% sure about a), but I think so 14:06:51 <Zuu> They fooled me to register, and then when I tried to register for debit payment they wanted my german bank account number which is clearly not the same as debit visa. 14:06:54 <planetmaker> btw: I just found out now, that I wouldn't have gotten the hotel without credit card ;-) 14:07:13 <Zuu> Okay 14:07:24 <Zuu> I'll probably get one sooner than later. 14:08:12 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r19971 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_config.cpp newgrf_config.h saveload/afterload.cpp): -Codechange: Make IsGoodGRFConfigList() operate on any given GRFConfig and move the GameLog operations directly to AfterLoad(). 14:10:21 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9BAD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:10:23 <planetmaker> Zuu: definitely yes also to a) 14:11:44 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r19972 /trunk/src/ (5 files): -Change: Use the md5sum from the previous save of the game for BaNaNaS instead of the initial (when the grf was added) md5sum from the gamelog. Neither method is 'better', but this way it is independent from the gamelog. 14:12:11 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r19973 /trunk/src/ (27 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: Add another procedure to chunk handlers for checking savegames (empty for now). 14:12:34 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r19974 /trunk/src/saveload/saveload.cpp: -Add: SlSkipArray() to skip arrays and sparse arrays in savegames. 14:13:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r19975 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): -Add: SL_LOAD_CHECK mode for partial reading of savegames. 14:14:00 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r19976 /trunk/src/ (fios.h fios_gui.cpp saveload/map_sl.cpp): -Add: Read mapsize during SL_LOAD_CHECK. 14:14:32 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r19977 /trunk/src/ (fios.h fios_gui.cpp saveload/misc_sl.cpp): -Add: Read current date during SL_LOAD_CHECK. 14:14:33 <planetmaker> <3 @ frosch's changes and where it goes :-) 14:14:49 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r19978 /trunk/src/ (fios.h fios_gui.cpp settings.cpp): -Add: Read settings during SL_LOAD_CHECK. 14:15:24 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r19979 /trunk/src/ (company_base.h company_cmd.cpp saveload/company_sl.cpp): -Codechange: Separate static loadable fields from Company into separate struct. 14:15:49 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r19980 /trunk/src/ (fios.h fios_gui.cpp lang/english.txt saveload/company_sl.cpp): -Add: Load some general data from savegames on SL_LOAD_CHECK. 14:16:11 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r19981 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): -Add: Read NewGRF configuration during SL_LOAD_CHECK. 14:16:39 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r19982 /trunk/src/fios_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Shuffle some widget positions in saveload GUIs. 14:17:13 <planetmaker> 18 more to go :-) 14:17:14 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r19983 /trunk/src/fios_gui.cpp: -Add: Separate nested widget array for load heightmap GUI. 14:17:17 <b_jonas> this doesn't seem like good business. I've put single buses in small towns just so those towns grow, and when they've grown enough, the AI players put airports there. 14:17:19 <planetmaker> 17 to go ;-) 14:17:26 <b_jonas> but then, I could buy the AIs 14:17:39 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r19984 /trunk/src/ (fios.h fios_gui.cpp lang/english.txt): -Feature: Show some savegame details when selecting items in saveload GUIs. 14:17:46 <b_jonas> that's just not fun though 14:17:47 <planetmaker> b_jonas: if money is no issue anymore, just build the full service 14:17:48 <frosch123> sorry, wrong button :p 14:17:52 <b_jonas> good to know I have the power 14:18:04 <b_jonas> planetmaker: nah, I don't want lots of trains because I can't manage them 14:18:11 <planetmaker> wrong button? 14:18:22 <b_jonas> I don't have anything against unprofitable trains, but too many trains just make the game harder to play 14:18:47 <planetmaker> b_jonas: you know shared orders and train groups? 14:18:56 <planetmaker> and autorenew and autoreplace? 14:19:26 <planetmaker> If orders are well-made you just set them once and that's it. Maybe add a few more trains with the same orders later by cloning existing ones 14:19:28 <b_jonas> sure 14:19:41 <b_jonas> train groups and stuff like that make many trains on a single line easy to manage 14:19:44 <b_jonas> and I am doing that 14:20:00 <b_jonas> but many lines for small towns are not easy 14:20:18 <planetmaker> b_jonas: you can group many small towns in one group 14:20:29 <planetmaker> when they have a common station they go to. 14:20:43 <planetmaker> selecting then a train for a specific town can be done via the station of the small town 14:21:48 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has joined #openttd 14:22:13 <planetmaker> like a<->M, b<->M, c<->M (possibly with transfer). And d<->N, e<->N, f<->N (also with transfer to big station N) and then long-distance trains M<->N 14:22:21 <planetmaker> quite easy that way 14:22:53 * planetmaker compiles OpenTTD r19984 :-) 14:31:47 *** Max| [~Max@c83-253-96-194.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 14:31:51 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 14:32:44 <Zuu> Is the area next to Berlin Hbf walkable? or do one need to get into downtown? 14:33:46 <Eddi|zuHause> Berlin Hbf is directly next to the government buildings (Kanzleramt, Reichstag, etc.) 14:34:24 <Zuu> Okay 14:34:24 <Eddi|zuHause> it's basically in the city centre 14:34:48 <planetmaker> frosch123: the new load gui is awesome :-) 14:35:02 <planetmaker> Especially also that OpenTTD now doesn't load broken savegames anymore 14:35:04 <Eddi|zuHause> Zuu: depends on where you actually want to go ;) 14:35:10 <planetmaker> thus avoiding useless crashes 14:35:18 <frosch123> planetmaker: you can still load them via console :) 14:35:20 <frosch123> or command line 14:35:25 <planetmaker> he :-) 14:36:05 <frosch123> but yes, ammler can now code his dedicated-server-load-savegame-but-only-after-bananas-download patch :p 14:36:24 <Zuu> Is the 2,10 euro city mobile ticket good money on bahn? 14:36:26 <planetmaker> the one point IMHO where the GUI could be improved is IMHO though the "check newgrf" and "load" buttons which are not well distinguishable from the panel 14:36:27 <Ammler> hehe 14:36:41 <Ammler> that could be r20000 14:36:45 <planetmaker> Zuu: yes. As it's return. Which would otherwise be 2,8o⬠;-) 14:36:57 <Zuu> Ok 14:37:23 <Zuu> But I might skip it as it gives me the flexibility to walk around if I want. 14:38:06 <planetmaker> yes. But it's not the best walking in BS from the main station 14:38:06 <Zuu> Can you pay by cash on local transport? 14:38:14 <Zuu> Oh, ok 14:38:24 <planetmaker> the ticket machines should accept cash. Or the bus driver does 14:38:43 <Ammler> Mark 14:38:49 <Zuu> ok, I've taken the included ticket then. 14:38:53 <Zuu> "included" 14:39:56 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:41:37 <__ln__> swedish kronor are not accepted 14:42:16 <planetmaker> :-) Not quite 14:42:44 <Zuu> heh, would like to pay with swedish kronor directly eg. 1 sek = 1 euro. :-) 14:43:29 <planetmaker> :-P 14:43:49 <Zuu> Ended up not taking the city ticket as you can't use the online-ticket on the bus according to bahn.de. 14:44:13 <Zuu> But good then I have all tickets now so, don't change the date please :-D 14:44:18 <planetmaker> eh? 14:44:49 <planetmaker> The city ticket should be valid in all local public transport here 14:45:15 <planetmaker> well, but might be sensible... maybe we want more travel on Sunday ;-) 14:46:23 <Zuu> Im off now, got to celibrate my birth day a bit more. :-) 14:46:25 <__ln__> the Hbf is on the British sector if i read the map correctly 14:47:28 <planetmaker> oh :-) Happy birthday then :-) 14:47:38 <Zuu> hehe thanks :-) 14:47:46 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: it's directly behind the border 14:47:49 <__ln__> Zuu: are you going to berlin by train or plane? 14:47:57 <Zuu> by (night) train 14:48:02 <__ln__> ok 14:48:08 <Zuu> It is probably going on a ferry. 14:48:25 <Zuu> so, on a train, on a ferry. 14:48:56 <__ln__> Zuu: and the same route back? 14:49:02 <Eddi|zuHause> MalmÞ-Rostock? 14:49:20 <Eddi|zuHause> or is it Malmö? 14:49:21 <Zuu> I could take the night train to hannover, but that would arrive at 4 am. I'll be at 6 am in Berlin which is a bit more okay. :-) 14:49:24 <__ln__> Malmö 14:49:25 <Zuu> Malmö 14:49:40 <Eddi|zuHause> i can never tell with you weird nordic people ;) 14:49:59 <Zuu> Not sure where in germany it arrives but it is not going on the ship exactly in Malmö. Probably Trelleborg. 14:50:20 <Zuu> Going back is via land/brige. 14:50:33 <Zuu> eg. day-train to copenhagen. 14:50:53 <__ln__> hannover-hamburg-copenhagen? 14:50:56 <Zuu> yep 14:51:00 <Zuu> and then local train. 14:51:29 <Eddi|zuHause> and hamburg-copenhagen doesn't go via ferry in fehmarn? 14:52:03 <Zuu> possible, it's not my problem. :-) 14:52:10 <planetmaker> :-) not going back explains the unavailability of the city ticket :-) 14:52:54 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r19985 /trunk/src/saveload/company_sl.cpp: -Fix (r19980): Loading preview data from old savegames failed indeterministically due to non-zeroed memory allocation. Thanks smatz. 14:54:57 * SpComb wonders what happens after someone goes and commits r19999 14:55:47 <Zuu> Then we'll get a week long freeze :-) 14:58:27 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r19986 /trunk/src/newgrf_gui.cpp: -Fix (r19841): One could add and remove Grfs from the list via doubleclicking even if editing the list is not allowed. 14:59:11 <frosch123> SpComb: maybe we start the bbq and watch wt3 doing the rest :p 15:00:28 <SpComb> oh 15:02:01 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: the next commit will be 20001 then ;) 15:04:34 *** Mazur [~mazur@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 15:04:51 <__ln__> is there some interesting city between BS and Berlin at which one should stop for a while? 15:05:02 <frosch123> is there a city at all? 15:05:08 <__ln__> a town then 15:07:07 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-2bf1e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:12:13 <frosch123> i guess you have to either go more southish or northish 15:13:35 <frosch123> or stay around braunschweig, watch wolfenbuttel, old salzgitter steel mill and such 15:13:49 <__ln__> there's Magdeburg, but is it interesting? 15:13:54 *** Darko [4dc10e31@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:14:16 <Darko> hi all 15:14:27 <Eddi|zuHause> other than the cathedral, there's not much interesting in magdeburg... 15:14:32 <frosch123> no idea, i never was there. only know it via otto von guericke 15:15:22 <frosch123> if you want to go east, you are likely better of with leipzig 15:15:32 <frosch123> eddi might know more details 15:15:47 <Eddi|zuHause> that's not exactly "between" BS and Berlin ;) 15:16:01 <frosch123> if you ignore north-south :p 15:16:20 <Eddi|zuHause> it's almost directly south of berlin 15:16:43 <frosch123> no, that is dresden 15:16:45 <__ln__> indeed not :) and since my time is limited, maybe i'll just go directly to berlin and see leipzig and dresden some other time 15:16:47 <Darko> it had the Games Convention salon here 15:18:20 <__ln__> trying to see too much in too little time is not often the best choice 15:18:58 <Eddi|zuHause> the "problem" with Magdeburg is that basically the whole city was destroyed in the war 15:19:24 <Eddi|zuHause> almost no building except the cathedral was unharmed... 15:19:39 <Eddi|zuHause> and then it was rebuilt in "socialistic" style 15:19:50 <Eddi|zuHause> which doesn't have any interesting details... 15:21:27 <__ln__> except the socialistic style itself 15:21:59 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f6a04.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:22:24 <planetmaker> [17:14] <Eddi|zuHause> other than the cathedral, there's not much interesting in magdeburg... <-- the Hundertwasser building and the Otto v. Guericke statue :-) 15:22:53 <Eddi|zuHause> hundertwasser? i would've thought that was after the war... 15:23:16 <Eddi|zuHause> is he really that old yet? 15:23:32 <planetmaker> it might (will?) be newer. But it's worth a look 15:23:41 <planetmaker> so it's interesting :-) 15:23:44 <SmatZ> planetmaker: what is the average price per km with DB? (or whatever else transport company) 15:24:04 <planetmaker> SmatZ: no idea really. It's cheaper per km the further you go actually 15:24:16 <SmatZ> ok :) 15:24:20 <Eddi|zuHause> it tends to be more expensive than fuel... 15:24:35 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: not quite. But about the same 15:25:38 *** pugi_ [~pugi@p4FCC678E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:25:58 <planetmaker> SmatZ: you can read German: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preissystem_der_Deutschen_Bahn 15:27:15 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC5821.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:27:15 *** pugi_ is now known as pugi 15:28:40 <planetmaker> according to that: random settings for ICE connections and a ~30% sub-linear increase for IC/EC connections 15:28:55 <planetmaker> (30% for 600km relative to the short connections) 15:29:12 <planetmaker> 14ct per kilometer for that 15:29:17 <SmatZ> :( 15:29:39 <SmatZ> it seems the only connection I could find from Prague is via Berlin 15:29:48 <SmatZ> ~600km in total 15:30:23 <Eddi|zuHause> not via Leipzig? 15:30:35 <__ln__> SmatZ: http://www.eurolines.eu/ 15:31:33 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: nope, at least not on that Saturday 15:32:09 <planetmaker> SmatZ: I get a connection on that Saturday from Praha to Braunschweig via Berlin in 6:30h 15:32:14 <planetmaker> for 39⬠(maybe) 15:32:25 <Eddi|zuHause> if i book now, it's 38⬠(with return next day, limited to specific train) or 69⬠(with return next day, unlimited) 15:32:31 <planetmaker> starting either 6:30am or 8:30am 15:32:32 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 15:32:36 <SmatZ> planetmaker: I couldn't find the price, but I suppose that's the same connection :) 15:32:57 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:33:27 <planetmaker> normal price is 140⬠though ;-) 15:33:34 <SmatZ> :D 15:33:43 <planetmaker> 39⬠is the "Sparpreis" without refund, re-booking etc pp 15:35:23 <planetmaker> return price might be like 110⬠for the cheapest connection - provided it can still be booked 15:35:35 <Eddi|zuHause> using only local trains is 58,60⬠15:35:44 <planetmaker> and 205⬠for normal fare 15:36:16 *** elmz_ [~elmz@222.80-202-29.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 15:36:36 <SmatZ> ok, thanks for help :) 15:36:56 <planetmaker> so going by train after all? :-) 15:37:08 <SmatZ> nope :-p 15:37:11 <planetmaker> :-D 15:37:40 <planetmaker> it's still 2h longer than car indeed :-) 15:37:45 <SmatZ> ~500km by car is <100⬠15:38:01 <SmatZ> and maybe I will manage to pickup someone :) 15:38:09 <planetmaker> refuel just before the border I advise :-) 15:38:14 <planetmaker> in CZ :-) 15:38:27 <SmatZ> :) 15:39:08 *** elmz_ [~elmz@222.80-202-29.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:39:09 *** elmz_ [~elmz@222.80-202-29.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 15:39:11 <SmatZ> diesel costs ~1,25⬠/ l nowadays :( 15:39:14 <SmatZ> here 15:39:27 <planetmaker> I re-fueled for 1.17⬠yesterday 15:39:30 <SmatZ> hehe :) 15:40:02 <planetmaker> ok, so my advice to refuel in CZ might not have been good ;-) 15:40:25 <SmatZ> :) 15:40:31 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know diesel prices right now... 15:40:52 <SpComb> drive to saudi arabia and tank there 15:40:55 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: 1.17⬠/ l. 15:41:06 <planetmaker> It shouldn't be grossly different around Halle ;-) 15:41:13 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: those vary between regions 15:41:25 <Ammler> our diesel might be cheaper 15:41:28 <planetmaker> they do. But not more than 10% 15:41:34 <planetmaker> rather 5% 15:41:44 <SmatZ> I would also expect german diesel to be of higher quality 15:42:03 <planetmaker> I'd suspect that Diesel is somewhat standardized 15:42:10 <planetmaker> at least some minimum requirements 15:42:38 <SmatZ> there was some affair with mixing diesel with "additives" so it is cheaper 15:42:51 * SmatZ is really looking forward for the meeting :) 15:43:05 <planetmaker> well. In Germany you have 5? 10? % "Biodiesel" added by law 15:43:25 *** elmz [~elmz@222.80-202-29.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:43:36 <Markk> How commons is it with ethanol? 15:43:39 <Markk> Or E85. 15:43:58 <SmatZ> I think that's EU-wise 15:43:59 <planetmaker> thus non-regenerative fuel is spent in order to get diesel from rapeseeds 15:44:16 <planetmaker> that might be, too 15:54:16 <Eddi|zuHause> lots of poorer countries get enormous food supply problems, because more and more agrarical area is used for "regenerative fuel" 15:55:31 <SmatZ> I heard that too 15:55:44 <SmatZ> I don't have any opinion because I am hardly an expert :) 15:58:09 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 16:04:24 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:04:36 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 16:05:09 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: so, have you decided now to go by car? 16:05:41 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 16:07:25 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: well, it seems to be the cheapest,quickest and most comfortable way 16:07:45 <SmatZ> one problem might be German police checks 16:07:52 <SmatZ> they for some reason don't like czech drivers 16:07:54 <SmatZ> :-/ 16:08:20 <Eddi|zuHause> police rarely check passenger cars... 16:08:42 <planetmaker> SmatZ: what could they do? 16:08:53 *** fjb [~frank@p5485D50C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:09:34 <SmatZ> there are over 100 official complains agains german police being too "strict" 16:09:54 <SmatZ> like, forcing people to pee near the road for drug tests 16:10:12 <SmatZ> hours of checking of items in the car 16:10:17 <SmatZ> taking people to the police station 16:11:42 <Eddi|zuHause> i still believe it would be best if you pick me up on the way 16:11:57 <planetmaker> :-D 16:12:01 <SmatZ> generally bad and arrogant behaviour from the german police 16:12:05 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: can be :) 16:12:14 <SmatZ> would be a nice thing I would say 16:12:44 <Eddi|zuHause> need to decide where and when... 16:12:54 <SmatZ> other problem is that several things are forbidden in Germany, what Czechs don't know 16:13:04 <SmatZ> like, pyrotechnics and bigger knives 16:13:31 <SmatZ> so people are fined for that 16:13:38 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, that is true 16:14:13 <Eddi|zuHause> but the reverse is also true, other countries can require you to have e.g. warn vests in your car, which is only required for trucks in germany 16:14:41 <Eddi|zuHause> or drive with lights on, which is quite new in germany 16:14:50 <SmatZ> quite many german drivers are suprised by the zero-alcohol level law :-p 16:15:05 <SmatZ> so they are highly fined for 0.01% BAC 16:15:17 <SmatZ> ~2kEuro iirc 16:15:40 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd generally challenge such a measurement... 16:15:44 <planetmaker> :-O 16:16:31 <SmatZ> well, you can ask for second measurement in 30 minutes 16:16:34 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:16:36 <SmatZ> and then you are taken for blood tests 16:16:54 <SmatZ> even if the blood test shows you have zero level now, still it's very irritating 16:17:18 <planetmaker> yeah 16:17:22 <Eddi|zuHause> 30 minutes might be a lot for 0.01% 16:18:26 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: i'm available for picking up on the 19th after 12:00, and must be back on the 20th before 11:00 16:18:32 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: a guide for alcohol is 0.01% per hour, though 16:18:49 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: you could still take back a train. 16:18:58 <SmatZ> luckily, I have never experienced that 16:19:34 <SmatZ> the party is only on Saturday 16:19:36 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: yes, but i believe the 19⬠offer is only valid if i reserve three days in advance 16:19:42 <SmatZ> so it's probably fine to leave on Sunday 16:19:46 <SmatZ> morning 16:20:05 <planetmaker> he, that's leaving at <9am 16:20:17 <SmatZ> :/ 16:20:22 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC678E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:20:29 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, it's about 2 hours 16:20:38 <SmatZ> I am afraid that's too early 16:20:55 <planetmaker> driving needs a sound sleep beforehand :-) 16:21:05 <Eddi|zuHause> i can drive half the way ;) 16:22:13 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc1697.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:24:21 <SmatZ> hehe :) 16:25:39 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC678E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:28:49 <glx> <Eddi|zuHause> but the reverse is also true, other countries can require you to have e.g. warn vests in your car, which is only required for trucks in germany <-- and for some countries it's one per passenger 16:29:32 <SpComb> highvis vest manufacturers rejoice 16:29:47 <glx> for now we just need one :) 16:29:57 <SmatZ> :-) 16:30:03 <glx> and a triangle 16:30:19 <SmatZ> you can't HOLD mobile phone while driving 16:30:26 <SmatZ> but you can use hands-free set 16:30:33 <SmatZ> or someone else can hold the phone for you :-p 16:30:51 <glx> you can't smoke, eat, drink water 16:31:21 <SmatZ> "drink water"? what about other liquids? 16:32:08 <glx> I said water because alcohol was of course forbiden 16:32:21 <SmatZ> ok :) 16:32:23 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@77.106.157.131] has joined #openttd 16:32:34 <SmatZ> sometimes, there are such illogical things in a law 16:32:44 <SmatZ> so I would believe you are forbidden to drink water 16:32:48 <SmatZ> but not for example cola 16:33:09 <glx> well the law is not that explicit 16:35:11 <glx> it just says you must be able to execute all maneouvre required for vehicle driving 16:35:23 <glx> ie you need your both hands free 16:35:30 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... how accurate is google's travel time suggestion? 16:35:50 <Eddi|zuHause> does it know that A2/A14 may be more crowded and thus slower than B6? 16:36:15 <glx> it's based on distance I think 16:36:30 <Eddi|zuHause> considering that both roads have no speed limit 16:37:19 <SmatZ> are roads crowded on Saturday/Sunday morning? 16:37:38 <planetmaker> SmatZ: usually not so 16:37:42 <planetmaker> especially not Sunday 16:37:47 <Eddi|zuHause> most crowded is probably friday afternoon, sunday evening... 16:37:53 <planetmaker> ^ 16:37:54 <SmatZ> it shouldn't matter much then :) 16:38:01 <planetmaker> Monday morning actually also quite so :-) 16:39:12 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-129-138-106-77.eidsiva.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:39:48 <Eddi|zuHause> google says B6 is 20 minutes longer, but i don't quite believe it... 16:41:45 <SmatZ> http://www.viamichelin.com/web/Itineraires?strStartLocid=31MzhkeDEwY05UQXVNRGczT0RFPWNNVFF1TkRJd05EWT0=&strDestLocid=31M2FlajEwY05USXVNalkwTVRRPWNNVEF1TlRJMk16Zz0=&intItineraryType=1&caravaneHidden=false&vh=CAR&strVehicle=0&itineraryCarType=0&itineraryFuelType=0&isFavoriseAutoroute=false&isAvoidPeage=false&isAvoidVignette=false&isAvoidLNR=false&isAvoidFrontiers=true&dtmDeparture=13%2F6%2F2010&distance=km&devise=1.0|EUR&indemnite=&carbCost=1.3& 16:41:47 <SmatZ> autoConso=6.8&villeConso=6&routeConso=5.6 16:41:50 <SmatZ> hmm tooo long :( 16:42:54 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f6a04.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:42:56 <glx> try tinyurl ;) 16:43:46 <SmatZ> http://tinyurl.com/3y636ls 16:43:48 <SmatZ> thanks ;) 16:45:24 <Eddi|zuHause> "You've been driving for almost 2 hours, take a break!" ;) 16:45:38 <glx> yes viamichelin style :) 16:45:49 <SmatZ> :) 16:47:08 <glx> I like how they reproduce the exact panels 16:48:26 <Eddi|zuHause> well, google tries to do that also 16:49:41 <Eddi|zuHause> glx: but this doesn't seem to be very specific within towns... 16:59:44 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:19:01 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:20:07 *** Westie [~westie@starfish.typefish.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:29:42 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 17:30:08 <VVG> Is it possible to save size and position of newgrf manager window? 17:31:07 <Alberth> no 17:31:47 <Alberth> you cannot save window sizes and positions 17:39:26 <VVG> ;( 17:44:31 <Sacro> das ist verboten 17:45:46 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r19987 /trunk/src/lang/ (9 files): (log message trimmed) 17:45:46 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:46 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: traditional_chinese - 1 changes by josesun 17:45:46 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: croatian - 11 changes by VoyagerOne 17:45:46 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: french - 11 changes by glx 17:45:47 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: german - 11 changes by planetmaker 17:45:47 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: italian - 1 changes by lorenzodv 17:47:36 <SpComb> 6 days to r20k party 17:47:42 <SpComb> that's 2 commits / day 17:47:53 <SpComb> leaves one for the party itself 17:49:09 * andythenorth got diverted into Lego :) 17:50:26 <andythenorth> planetmaker: does your map size diff build without errors? :) 17:52:49 <andythenorth> if so...do you want to commit it? 17:54:31 <planetmaker> andythenorth: I haven't really tested it :-) 17:54:40 <planetmaker> but I'd assume so :-P 17:55:28 <planetmaker> main question is: do you want the real map size or the log of the map size 17:55:44 <PeterT> let's go germans! 17:55:55 <PeterT> next game starts in 35 minutes ;-) 17:56:05 <planetmaker> indeed it does 17:56:50 <PeterT> I played Germany vs. Australia on FIFA '09 and germany won 6-3 :-D 17:57:07 <andythenorth> planetmaker: I don't know....my maths is rusty 17:57:51 <andythenorth> if it helps, I'm going to have to branch to multiple varact 2 to cover these different range limits for: http://paste.openttd.org/225929 17:57:52 <planetmaker> well. YOU want to query it later. It's just a matter of the size of the numbers you want to deal with 17:58:15 <andythenorth> in my paste, the actual dimension should be replaced by tile count 17:58:58 <planetmaker> ok, then we use it (nearly) as is. It doesn't compile. I forgot an escape 17:58:58 <Ammler> PeterT: so the computer was Germany? 17:59:10 <andythenorth> planetmaker: :) 17:59:53 <planetmaker> hm 17:59:59 <andythenorth> the ranges are calculated in a way that one of you might be able to make very efficient 18:00:12 <andythenorth> possibly avoiding branching varact 2 and swapping it for an advanced varact 2 18:00:55 <andythenorth> I take a map 'unit' as 262144 tiles (512^2) 18:01:29 <andythenorth> then the range is calculated as 2 + (2 * 'units') 18:02:07 <andythenorth> perhaps 2 + (2 * (map size / 262144)) will work? 18:02:29 <andythenorth> or perhaps not 18:03:39 <planetmaker> well. One then could form the parameter properly straight away. E.g. in units of 64^2 or 256^2 or so 18:03:39 <andythenorth> there must be a way to do only one range check for all map sizes, but my maths is too poor :P 18:04:06 <andythenorth> there's nothing wrong with branching varact 2, but it's....inelegant 18:04:11 <planetmaker> Just dividing the map count by the number of tiles of the minimum unit you want to consider 18:05:33 <andythenorth> hmm 18:05:52 <planetmaker> hm... grfcodec complains about a verbatim copy from the newgrf wiki :S 18:06:04 <andythenorth> there should be a way to get a result for industry count per unit that is either 1 (enough) or 0 (not enough) 18:06:42 <andythenorth> how does division work with bytecode? 18:06:59 <planetmaker> \D/ 18:07:01 <andythenorth> if I do 3/4 what is the result ? 18:07:12 <planetmaker> 0 18:07:20 <andythenorth> 9/10 = 0? 18:07:23 <planetmaker> yup 18:07:24 <andythenorth> but 10/10 = 1 18:07:27 <planetmaker> usually 18:07:38 <andythenorth> there is probably a way then 18:07:55 <planetmaker> 112 * 9 0D \b12 \D= 13 FE FF FF 00 00 // get the map size (global parameter 13) <-- grfcodec complains about this 18:07:59 <planetmaker> anyone any idea? 18:08:20 <planetmaker> //!!Error (123): Source parameter 1 is invalid. 18:09:14 <planetmaker> <Sprite-number> * <Length> 0D <target> <operation> <variable> FE FF FF 00 00 <-- but http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=ReadingPatchVariables tells me exactly that format... 18:10:11 <andythenorth> I had similar yesterday, frosch123 said it might be a renum error 18:10:20 <andythenorth> Also, I think this is the maths I need: http://paste.openttd.org/225930 18:11:05 <planetmaker> so... shall I give you the number of 512^2 units? 18:11:15 <planetmaker> instead of map size? 18:11:23 <andythenorth> think so 18:11:40 <andythenorth> let's try it, because baroque advanced varact 2 is always cooler than branching :P 18:13:05 <planetmaker> ok. I'll give you both, 512^2 counts (rounded down) and your industry_cluster_parameter 18:14:01 <planetmaker> @calc base(512*512,2) 18:14:01 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: Error: 'base' is not a defined function. 18:14:11 <planetmaker> @calc log(512*512,2) 18:14:11 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 18 18:19:43 <planetmaker> @calc 512**2 18:19:43 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 262144 18:22:42 <Eddi|zuHause> ... i really hate this vuvuzela sound... 18:23:04 <planetmaker> andythenorth: there are then the two parameters at your disposal: INDUSTRY_CLUSTER_PARAMETER (=2+2* MAP_SIZE_PARAMETER) and MAP_SIZE_PARAMETER (=number of 512^2 maps) 18:23:26 <PeterT> Ammler: I was germany ;) 18:23:53 <planetmaker> andythenorth: pushed 18:24:34 <frosch123> andythenorth: planetmaker: be carf 18:24:43 <frosch123> carful with scaling :) 18:24:58 <planetmaker> scaling to 0 is fine 18:25:01 <frosch123> number of industries is only 8 bits, so you cannot control more than 256 clusters 18:25:02 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.25.99.137] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:25:06 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: have you considered that Ballack can't play and lots of young players have been appointed? 18:25:08 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 18:25:21 <planetmaker> frosch123: that's not feasable with that formula 18:25:40 <planetmaker> there can only be 16 times a 512^2 map in a max sized map 18:25:53 <planetmaker> so the max. amount can be 2*16 + 2 clusters given the formula 18:33:03 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe32dc00-253.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 18:38:00 <Eddi|zuHause> ... 18:38:40 <PeterT> Eddi|zuHause: I don't really follow soccer 18:38:46 <PeterT> germany just scored! 18:38:59 <fonsinchen> There is noise outside ... 18:39:06 <frosch123> yeah, i also heard some noise 18:39:31 <fonsinchen> eek, they have fireworks 18:39:36 * fonsinchen hides in the basement 18:39:59 <Eddi|zuHause> fireworks is forbidden, except a few days around silvester 18:42:05 <fonsinchen> obviously they don't care 18:42:34 <fonsinchen> mad 'dchlaaand guys are dangerous and reckless ... 18:43:14 <Eddi|zuHause> well... they don't give out hundreds of thousands of fines because of unfounded use of the honk ;) 18:44:18 <fonsinchen> yeah, that would be fun. Cops standing on Sonnenallee and fining everyone who honks unnecessarily 18:44:29 <fonsinchen> They'd be quite busy, not only today. 18:45:18 <fonsinchen> But I'm going to the basement now, as a matter of fact ;) nice evening to all of you. 18:45:56 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc1697.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:48:34 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 18:59:50 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:19:58 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@77.106.157.131] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:24:15 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@77.106.157.131] has joined #openttd 19:25:53 <PeterT> planetmaker: can you take a screenshot of the new savegame features? 19:26:08 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.25.99.137] has joined #openttd 19:26:09 <planetmaker> I can. But why can't you? 19:26:14 <planetmaker> the nightly should have it. 19:26:26 <PeterT> oh, didn't even notice the nightlies have finished ;-) 19:27:48 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:30:52 <PeterT> frosch123: very nice! :-D 19:31:32 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D738.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:32:20 <frosch123> be careful, don't crash it 19:33:54 <planetmaker> hm? 19:34:48 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D738.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:35:17 *** jpx_ [jpx_@a91-156-254-168.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 19:41:13 <Ammler> yes, not many commits left to fix it until next weekend :-P 19:41:31 <planetmaker> :-D 19:41:43 <planetmaker> r20000: Fix (r1) blubber blah 19:42:50 <frosch123> -Add: Cake to my stomach. 19:42:54 <glx> @commit 10000 19:42:59 <DorpsGek> glx: Commit r10000 doesn't exists 19:43:04 <glx> or like that :) 19:43:08 <Ammler> hehe 19:43:09 <planetmaker> :-D 19:43:31 <Ammler> tgp or something strange 19:43:38 <glx> mapgen 19:43:55 <planetmaker> @openttd commit r15000 19:43:55 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: Invalid arguments for _commit. 19:44:01 <planetmaker> @openttd commit 15000 19:44:05 <Ammler> is there something in or just a empty folder? 19:44:05 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: Commit by truebrain :: r15000 /branches/noai/src (ai/ai.hpp saveload/ai_sl.cpp) (2009-01-12 10:47:53 UTC) 19:44:06 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: [NoAI] -Fix (r14984): forgot to rename @file too 19:44:16 <planetmaker> @openttd commit 10000 19:44:17 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: Commit r10000 doesn't exists 19:44:22 <planetmaker> still not ;-) 19:44:31 <planetmaker> @openttd commit 10000 19:44:32 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: Commit r10000 doesn't exists 19:44:35 <planetmaker> @openttd commit 1 19:44:35 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: Commit by truelight :: r1 / (202 files in 13 dirs) (2004-08-09 17:04:08 UTC) 19:44:36 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: Import of revision 975 of old (crashed) SVN 19:44:38 <planetmaker> sorry 19:44:51 <Ammler> it is a commit to a restricted branch 19:46:45 <Eddi|zuHause> afair, the "restricted branch" has been removed 19:46:48 <Ammler> the only "forbidden" rev afaik 19:47:10 <PeterT> why is it forbidden/restricted? 19:47:33 <Eddi|zuHause> because it wasn't a public (as in GPL) project 19:47:34 <Ammler> hmm, then it might be the removal of it :-) 19:47:53 <PeterT> ah 19:48:02 <PeterT> but, Eddi|zuHause, just that one commit? 19:48:26 <Ammler> PeterT: read the logs, maybe you find others... 19:49:26 <planetmaker> what was the purpose of that restricted branch? 19:50:09 <Ammler> to make fun about r10k 19:50:43 <planetmaker> :-P 19:51:03 <elho> heh 19:51:56 <Ammler> maybe someone should crawl for irc discussion around that time :-) 19:53:43 *** Darko [4dc10e31@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 19:54:13 <frosch123> there was a topic about "what is r10000 going to be" 19:55:54 <elho> (in trying to get accustomed with them new (to me ;)) pbs): http://stranger.elho.net/pre-vs-path1.png the only difference between A and B is, that B is a tiny bit more efficient as paths become free a bit earlier than the exit signals are passed, right? 19:56:06 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think "there won't be a r10k" was an option there ;) 19:56:28 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: there was :) 19:56:34 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:56:52 <frosch123> though i do not know whether that suggestion was posted first, or the devs decided the strategy first :) 19:56:54 <elho> there's always room for denial :P 19:59:29 <frosch123> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=591561#p591561 20:00:38 <planetmaker> hm. But CIA didn't tell what r10k was :-) 20:00:48 <planetmaker> http://67.18.92.220/irc/openttd/2007/05/31 20:00:50 <frosch123> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=591817#p591817 <- another one 20:00:51 <Eddi|zuHause> there was no r10k 20:01:46 <Ammler> hehe Roujin didn't know how svn log worked on that time ;-) 20:05:06 <planetmaker> Commit by rubidium :: r10000 (none) (2007-05-31 15:16:44 UTC) 20:05:45 <frosch123> is that from dorpsgek logs? 20:07:25 * andythenorth cracks knuckles and ponders advanced varact 2 20:07:26 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-fbf5e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 20:07:29 <Eddi|zuHause> Löw kinda looks like spock in blue shirt... 20:08:13 <frosch123> hmm, why is there no r20000 topic like that. someone could suggest to change the name of ottd :p 20:08:30 <andythenorth> frosch123: during cb 28, using persistent storage for debug is a no-go? 20:09:00 <frosch123> very much :) 20:09:04 <andythenorth> ho hum 20:09:48 <planetmaker> Ammler: I didn't know either and wasn't even around ;-) 20:10:37 * andythenorth doesn't want to get into procedure calls 20:10:51 * andythenorth wants some one else to write this code :P 20:11:26 <Ammler> planetmaker: I don't want to know my dummy questions from that time :-) 20:13:36 <planetmaker> :-) 20:17:33 * andythenorth does it the easy way with branching varact 2 20:19:58 <Ammler> irc logs should be "cleaned" after some short time :-P 20:22:07 <andythenorth> planetmaker: INDUSTRY_CLUSTER_PARAMETER is a dword? 20:22:24 <andythenorth> (result is a dword)? 20:22:27 <planetmaker> yes 20:22:41 * elho prefers his question to stay there until it is answered ;P 20:22:56 <planetmaker> hm... aren't all parameters? 20:23:13 <planetmaker> a dword? 20:23:48 <planetmaker> or is it bad to use parameter numbers \b14 \b13 and assume both are a dword without interference? 20:24:28 <Ammler> you should initialize parameters with actiond 20:24:58 <andythenorth> ooh hiny 20:25:00 <andythenorth> shiny /s 20:25:01 <planetmaker> Well, that's what I do... I first assign them a value before I manipulate them 20:25:13 <andythenorth> planetmaker: INDUSTRY_CLUSTER_PARAMETER seems to work :) 20:25:15 <planetmaker> where that value comes from shouldn't matter. 20:25:25 <planetmaker> nice :-) 20:26:09 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D738.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:26:31 <frosch123> hmm, the log around r10000 is filled with nicks from the past :p 20:26:43 <planetmaker> very much indeed :-) 20:27:11 <SmatZ> :) 20:27:27 <andythenorth> planetmaker: :o actually the values of INDUSTRY_CLUSTER_PARAMETER aren't quite what I expect 20:27:30 <andythenorth> let me see why 20:27:40 <planetmaker> what are they? 20:27:56 <planetmaker> maybe my math is wrong :-) 20:28:03 <andythenorth> I'll do a paste in a minute 20:29:09 <Ammler> frosch123: only maedhros is inactive now 20:30:27 <andythenorth> planetmaker: the results of INDUSTRY_CLUSTER_PARAMETER are in hex not dec? 20:30:35 <andythenorth> or I assume they are anyway :) 20:31:02 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D738.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:31:24 <planetmaker> I might have erred with the bit shift... 20:32:36 <frosch123> night 20:32:40 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f6a04.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:33:07 <andythenorth> planetmaker: http://paste.openttd.org/225932 20:33:30 <andythenorth> looks like a simple error with multiplication? 20:35:34 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@89.246.175.33] has joined #openttd 20:35:56 <planetmaker> looks like 20:36:00 <planetmaker> let's see 20:36:02 <pugi> 4:0 :D:D 20:36:48 <planetmaker> found it, andythenorth 20:37:00 <planetmaker> +-1 * 0 0D INDUSTRY_CLUSTER_PARAMETER \D= MAP_SIZE_PARAMETER FF \d02 // Multiply map_size_parameter by 2 20:37:06 <planetmaker> the operator shoud be \D* 20:37:13 <planetmaker> try that 20:37:17 <planetmaker> in parameters.pnfo 20:37:34 <andythenorth> will do 20:40:08 <andythenorth> planetmaker: win 20:40:15 <planetmaker> :-) 20:42:35 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Administr@89.246.204.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:44:38 <andythenorth> oh poop 20:45:17 <planetmaker> hm? 20:45:57 <andythenorth> I need just the count from var 67 20:45:58 <andythenorth> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=VarAction2Industries#Count_of_industry_distance_of_closest_instance_67_68_ 20:46:06 <andythenorth> so mask 00FF0000 ? 20:46:31 <andythenorth> format is rrccdddd where I want cc 20:48:21 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D738.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:51:01 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D738.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:59:13 <andythenorth> under what circumstance can 81 dec be represented as 89h ? 21:00:56 <Alberth> never 21:00:59 <SmatZ> hehe 21:01:29 <andythenorth> I guess something is wrong then 21:01:56 <Alberth> print bin(81) + " " + bin(0x89) <-- 0b1010001 0b10001001 bit patterns are different 21:02:27 <SmatZ> Alberth: what language is that, basic? 21:02:33 <Alberth> python 21:02:34 <SmatZ> looks like basic :) 21:02:37 <SmatZ> nice :) 21:02:52 <andythenorth> http://paste.openttd.org/225934 21:03:10 <andythenorth> what have I done wrong now :( 21:03:37 <andythenorth> I want BB from this word: xxBBxxxx 21:03:57 <Alberth> (w >> 16) & 0xff 21:04:39 <andythenorth> so what am I doing with my shift? 21:05:32 <Alberth> NFO looks like random sequence of bytes to me 21:05:51 <planetmaker> s/random// and it's true 21:06:22 <andythenorth> I need to set bit 5 (advanced) and do a shift of 16 21:06:22 <Alberth> I didnt' say whether the sequence or the bytes were random :) 21:06:26 <andythenorth> so 20 + 10 = 30 21:06:33 <Alberth> good night all 21:06:38 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-fbf5e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:06:42 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:16:10 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [] 21:16:16 * andythenorth finds the mistake :P 21:17:47 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:21:53 *** Yexo [~Yexo@183-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 21:22:14 <Yexo> good evening 21:23:14 *** jpx_ [jpx_@a91-156-254-168.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 21:23:30 <planetmaker> o/ 21:23:49 <planetmaker> Alberth was missing you :-) 21:25:14 <Yexo> I've already seen a lot of nice commits :) 21:25:30 <planetmaker> :-) 21:25:40 <planetmaker> I think he needs some input on some of his issues 21:26:04 <planetmaker> and he'd be very happy if you could comment on them 21:26:20 <Yexo> I'll take another look at the issue tracker in a moment 21:26:56 <planetmaker> he went already to sleep. So no rush :-) 21:27:25 <andythenorth> planetmaker: http://tt-foundry.com/misc/clusters.png 21:28:33 <planetmaker> nice :-) 21:28:35 <peter1138> honey nut? 21:28:38 <planetmaker> congrats! 21:29:19 <andythenorth> hard to work out, simple to write, hard to test :P 21:29:30 <andythenorth> pushed, if anyone wants to try and break it with different map sizes 21:30:00 * planetmaker will try 64x2048 21:30:41 *** Priski [priski@ihq.in] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:30:43 *** Priski [priski@ihq.in] has joined #openttd 21:31:23 * Terkhen likes 21:31:32 <Terkhen> I'll try it tomorrow :) 21:32:58 * planetmaker likes it, too. And works on 64x2048 21:36:22 <__ln__> planetmaker, should "we" bring something with us? (the "we" besides the ones bringing a cake) 21:41:02 <planetmaker> __ln__: besides contributions in form of cake or bbq stuff: not really 21:41:16 <planetmaker> and those two can be out-sourced to me, too 21:44:51 <Ammler> then, it isn't _out_-sourced :-P 21:45:05 <planetmaker> :-) 21:45:11 <__ln__> self-sourced 21:45:42 <planetmaker> __ln__: I simply need to know for how many I shall organize / what people bring 21:45:58 <planetmaker> so that I don't have 20 cakes the next day and 3 kg of meat left. 21:46:07 <planetmaker> or all people starving and complaining 21:46:25 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 21:50:22 <__ln__> yes 21:56:57 <elho> what's wrong with 3 kg meat? 21:57:34 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 21:57:54 <planetmaker> __ln__: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=48825 21:58:18 <planetmaker> elho: it'd be a BBQ next day at 'versity. But still... 21:59:47 <elho> it could also be a nice breakfast, lunch and dinner :D 22:05:54 <andythenorth> 64 x 2048 makes for rather a nice map with clusters :) 22:06:10 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc1697.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 22:07:50 <ccfreak2k> Is it gonna have a r20000 cake with the intro screen? 22:08:36 <__ln__> does someone want something exclusively finnish to eat or drink? :) (something that is not available in germany) 22:09:19 <XeryusTC> planetmaker: why didnt you organise the r20k party in 3 weeks time, on a weekday, in the dutchlands 22:09:30 <XeryusTC> i could've annoyed you irl too then :) 22:09:44 <planetmaker> :-D 22:10:20 <__ln__> i think you just gave three reasons why not :) (r20k, weekday) 22:13:19 <Eddi|zuHause> XeryusTC: in three weeks is kinda three weeks too late... 22:14:13 <XeryusTC> well, at least you're sure r20k has been reached then ;) 22:14:52 <planetmaker> we're sure now :-) 22:15:20 <XeryusTC> heh, ok :P 22:15:26 <planetmaker> I mean... you're sure your birthday will be <whenever> ;-) 22:15:34 <planetmaker> not only when it already is past ;-) 22:15:54 <XeryusTC> well, there is a chance that you die in the meantime 22:16:07 <planetmaker> yeah 22:16:11 <XeryusTC> maybe the same thing would happen to the server, although it is quit unlikely :P 22:16:31 <planetmaker> wouldn't matter. Sufficient external copies nowadays 22:16:45 <planetmaker> though it might delay commits 22:16:59 <XeryusTC> indeed :P 22:17:14 <XeryusTC> anyway, i would've come if it didnt cost me any money, as i have a negative budget atm :( 22:17:22 <planetmaker> death on the other hand might be more terminal ;-) 22:17:28 <planetmaker> :S 22:17:47 <XeryusTC> death is not terminal for the first few minutes 22:19:03 <__ln__> XeryusTC: nor if you believe what the bible says 22:20:44 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D738.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:21:44 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-72-20.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 22:21:47 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9BAD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:22:26 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc1697.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:27:33 <planetmaker> however... good night for now :-) 22:28:28 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-5-149.A212.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 22:30:40 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- s0 d4Mn l33t |t'z 5c4rY!] 22:32:38 *** fjb [~frank@p5485D27A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:35:37 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: zzz] 22:37:31 <Terkhen> good night 22:39:25 <fjb> Moin 22:42:16 <b_jonas> good night 22:42:22 *** b_jonas [~x@dsl51B66BC6.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:45:52 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.25.99.137] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:46:24 <elho> does laoding time in tram stations depend on platform length, like with trains? 22:52:27 <Yexo> no 22:52:41 <Yexo> and for trains it only matters if the train is longer then the platform 22:55:58 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@77.106.157.131] has quit [Quit: Forlater kanalen] 22:58:07 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@77.106.157.131] has joined #openttd 23:03:20 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:03:43 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DAF83.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... 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