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[cia@208.69.182.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:57:43 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 06:36:05 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 07:03:02 <Terkhen> good morning 07:03:40 <SmatZ> morning Terkhen 07:08:00 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 07:13:57 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 07:15:06 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC365B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:23:04 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8cf8b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 07:36:05 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:39:30 *** JVassie_ [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:03:34 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.25.99.137] has joined #openttd 08:05:51 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@88.130.175.166] has joined #openttd 08:12:37 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Administr@89.246.207.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:26:21 *** heffer 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<Eddi|zuHause> i love the fact that he has "done" putting "snow" and "desert" into the landscape, and "only" needs to implement "desert not showing as snow" :p 10:07:46 <Terkhen> I like toyland as it is right now 10:09:39 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:11:17 *** heffer_ [~felix@mue-88-130-84-010.dsl.tropolys.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:13:33 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-140-139-106-77.eidsiva.net] has quit [Quit: Forlater kanalen] 10:26:54 *** heffer__ [~felix@mue-88-130-75-010.dsl.tropolys.de] has quit [Quit: heffer__] 10:34:10 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:36:07 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-140-139-106-77.eidsiva.net] has joined #openttd 10:40:40 *** TheYeIIowDucK [54e45987@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 10:40:47 <TheYeIIowDucK> hello 10:41:05 <TheYeIIowDucK> ... 10:41:09 <TheYeIIowDucK> so many idlers? 10:43:38 <planetmaker> so many impatient people 10:44:03 <planetmaker> nevertheless: 'hello' 10:46:24 <TheYeIIowDucK> oh, yeah, forgot 10:46:33 <TheYeIIowDucK> IRC = idle chat 10:48:31 <TheYeIIowDucK> someone knows how does 32bpp works? 10:49:05 <Ammler> nobody is idle, most people just don't like you 10:49:13 <TheYeIIowDucK> :( 10:49:17 <TheYeIIowDucK> why? 10:49:35 <andythenorth> morning 10:49:47 <TheYeIIowDucK> morning, i guess 10:50:04 *** TheYeIIowDucK [54e45987@ircip1.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 10:50:37 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 10:50:57 <planetmaker> ho andythenorth :-) 10:51:21 <dihedral> hey hey 10:51:26 <Ammler> heya legoianer 10:51:46 <Ammler> sali dih :-) 10:52:12 <planetmaker> hey ho dihedral and Ammler 10:52:47 <Ammler> love cake baker :-P 10:53:02 <planetmaker> :-) You watched the video I linked ;-) 10:53:39 <Ammler> I didn't find the "link", but yes 10:56:01 <planetmaker> so... will you make it on Saturday? :-) 11:02:51 <dihedral> who? 11:03:45 <Eddi|zuHause> both of you ;) 11:05:25 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 11:05:51 <planetmaker> ^ 11:06:05 <dihedral> i am still not sure 11:06:10 <dihedral> might know by tonight 11:06:12 <dihedral> or tomorrow 11:10:58 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:11:31 <TrueBrain> or the day after 11:11:32 *** JVassie_ [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:11:33 <TrueBrain> or the day after that 11:11:40 <TrueBrain> well ... for sure we will know Sunday :D 11:11:58 <planetmaker> haha :-) 11:12:24 <Eddi|zuHause> are you really sure? the likelyhood of time travel is not necessarily zero 11:12:41 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: I personally, am really sure 11:13:19 <Ammler> :-) 11:14:27 * andythenorth is expecting ponies on Saturday :P 11:18:12 <planetmaker> if you bring one, andythenorth ... 11:19:19 * andythenorth is hoping for some fields for the ponies 11:19:29 <andythenorth> mr frosch was working on them but got a bit stuck 11:19:40 <fjb> planetmaker has a garden. :-) 11:20:51 <Eddi|zuHause> about 2x3m? ;) 11:27:46 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DBCE1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:28:36 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:34:31 <planetmaker> well... there's more space behind the house, Eddi|zuHause :-) 11:34:56 <planetmaker> it's not "my" garden, but... usuable :-) 11:54:34 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 11:59:15 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:09:05 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:e574:fcd7:5514:d8a3] has joined #openttd 12:09:09 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:31:24 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.202] has joined #openttd 12:32:18 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.25.99.137] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:32:22 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-140-139-106-77.eidsiva.net] 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13:30:32 <Terkhen> hi Belugas 13:32:33 <Belugas> mister Terkhen, I salute you :) 13:36:47 <andythenorth> hi Belugas 13:54:37 <Belugas> andythenorth! 14:02:21 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C001.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:08:56 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@dslb-094-220-139-159.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:12:50 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C001.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:25:03 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C001.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:32:13 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-220-139-159.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 14:42:11 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 14:53:56 *** GVV [~sdfkhksd@85.249.0.43] has joined #openttd 14:54:44 <GVV> hello 14:54:54 <GVV> in my current FIRS game i have a serviced oil wells, that announces imminent closure and i don't understand why :(. Is this intended? 14:56:51 <De_Ghosty> random events 14:56:53 <De_Ghosty> happens 14:57:00 <planetmaker> it shouldn't. 14:57:01 <De_Ghosty> or you didn't service it well enough 14:57:04 <planetmaker> if serviced 14:57:11 <planetmaker> at least serviced well 14:57:40 *** VVG [~sdfkhksd@85.249.0.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:58:06 <GVV> it has very low production so atleast one train is pretty much always loading 14:58:14 *** GVV is now known as VVG 14:58:14 <Mazur> It happens, when you've not seen an industry until late, and build a station, and haev jsut sent the first train to it. 14:58:32 <planetmaker> GVV: cargo needs to get delivered. Not only picked up. 14:58:48 <Mazur> Once it's really running, it should stay. 14:59:09 <planetmaker> waiting with a 60-tile train loading might not stop the low-production industry closing 15:00:23 <VVG> what would be a good lenght of train compared to industry production output? 15:00:59 <planetmaker> make a train leave at least two times a game year 15:01:24 <VVG> One particular oil well i'm talking about is production about 40k litres, and is being serviced by 4 trains 5 tiles long, for atleast 20 years now, and now it closes down 15:01:49 <glx> oil wells always decrease and close 15:01:58 <planetmaker> glx, FIRS. 15:02:05 <VVG> huh? 15:02:09 <glx> oh I skiped that part ;) 15:02:20 <VVG> i thought they behaved like other mines :( 15:02:36 <planetmaker> VVG, what FIRS version do you run? 15:02:54 <planetmaker> can I get a screenshot of your grf list? 15:03:12 <VVG> it's the same game i sent yesterday 15:05:05 <VVG> i'll try your suggestion of 2 trains per year, now it's just about 1 train per year 15:05:09 <planetmaker> ah 15:05:54 <planetmaker> hm.... IIRC you added or changed the grf config there a couple of times 15:06:16 <planetmaker> Also and including FIRS. Not sure whether the oil wells might then have aquired the original oil well behaviour 15:06:21 <planetmaker> then closing down is very normal 15:06:35 <planetmaker> anything is possible :-) 15:06:59 <VVG> gah :/ 15:08:31 <VVG> How bad is updating one nightly FIRS during running game with newer version? 15:08:48 <planetmaker> I strongly advise against 15:08:59 <planetmaker> it might completely ruin your game 15:10:49 <VVG> and it might not be obvious the game is ruined right after update, right? 15:11:16 <planetmaker> maybe. Dunno 15:13:51 <planetmaker> generally it's strongly discouraged to change ANY newgrf config after the map has been created 15:14:12 <planetmaker> changing industry newgrf is in most cases going to cause trouble one way or another 15:14:38 <glx> unless it's a vehicle grf and there's no built vehicle ;) 15:14:45 <planetmaker> it's the newgrf type most closely linked to the map 15:15:01 <planetmaker> glx, even then it might modify base costs :-) 15:15:29 <glx> true 15:19:50 <VVG> such a pity they don't behave when changing onthefly :( 15:23:51 <planetmaker> VVG, they are not inteded to be changed nor is it principally possible 15:24:30 <planetmaker> NewGRFs are building blocks of a map. Not a thing added as sugar on top 15:24:44 <planetmaker> they are WAY more than just the graphics you see. 15:24:51 <glx> and original they were not modifiable ingame :) 15:24:57 <glx> only in config file 15:25:01 <planetmaker> They're thousands of lines of programme code which change the whole behaviour of the game 15:27:29 <SpComb> reimplement in haskell 15:28:02 <planetmaker> VVG, thus, for example, if you rip-out an industry set, you'll have the map littered with industries which the progamme doesn't know anymore how to handle them. 15:28:12 <planetmaker> All production, cargos, behaviour etc. is then undefined 15:28:41 <planetmaker> if you replace it by another version - you may be lucky that it's sufficiently compatible. But... it's another version. There are differences 15:28:48 <planetmaker> That's _why_ it is another version 15:29:29 <planetmaker> same goes with removing vehicle sets. Then the game will have vehicles which it has no way to define anymore. 15:29:37 <planetmaker> Quite certainly OpenTTD might then crash 15:30:08 <planetmaker> and _that_ is what the red warning box tries to tell you each time you change newgrf on a running game. 15:30:14 <glx> some engines may become wagons 15:30:45 <planetmaker> or a rail engine a maglev one 15:30:50 <glx> single head can become dual head 15:30:52 <glx> ... 15:31:54 <planetmaker> actually: the only reason - as far as I see - why it's not made impossible to change newgrfs on a running game is that there a few things one can change without getting into trouble. 15:32:17 <planetmaker> Most notable is ADDING vehicle set(s) to an existing map. 15:32:33 <planetmaker> That doesn't include updating newgrfs or existing vehicle sets 15:32:52 <glx> adding, not inserting ;) 15:32:54 <planetmaker> actually only ADDING should be allowed on a running game 15:33:03 <planetmaker> hm... :-) Might be an idea :-) 15:33:16 <Mazur> And removing them again if you decide that's nog the one you wanted to use and they conflict with the one you did want to use. 15:33:23 <Mazur> s/nog/not/ 15:33:26 <VVG> those few things you mentioned are? 15:33:26 <planetmaker> Mazur, wrong 15:33:39 <planetmaker> VVG, I just mentioned them 15:33:54 <Yexo> Mazur: for that case make a savegame first, then load back that savegame when you added a newgrf you didn't actually want 15:33:54 <planetmaker> Also adding a station set is save 15:34:09 <planetmaker> *safe 15:34:23 <glx> adding and removing station set is safe 15:34:33 <planetmaker> glx, sure? Removing used ones? 15:34:43 <glx> as there are fallbacks 15:34:46 <Mazur> Oh, no, I was commenting about why one would want to be able to remove in a runnning game. 15:34:58 <Yexo> inserting (not only adding) vehicle sets should also work due the vehiclemanager 15:35:10 <glx> just non drivable tiles may become drivable 15:35:25 <planetmaker> glx, and exactly that crashes openttd 15:35:25 <glx> but that's harmless internally 15:35:31 <planetmaker> oh. vice versa :-) 15:36:11 <planetmaker> Yexo, insert as opposed to add means what? Position in NewGRF list? 15:36:18 <Yexo> yes 15:36:33 <planetmaker> ok :-) 15:36:55 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 15:37:32 <planetmaker> Yexo, I'm somewhat in need of a minimalistic example for railtypes graphics 15:37:48 <planetmaker> I somehow didn't manage to get that working yesterday... 15:38:06 <planetmaker> but I don't have my code here right now for reference 15:38:17 <Yexo> I'll try and write something 15:38:29 <Yexo> nutracks is the best example code? 15:38:41 <planetmaker> that'd be nice... I only managed to trigger some errors. NuTracks is an example, yes 15:38:56 <planetmaker> should be the best available one presumably, too 15:39:34 <planetmaker> I don't need the graphics, just how to tell NML how to swallow them. So an example with white boxes is fine for me :-) 15:40:30 <VVG> guess i better i start a new game with no onthefly modifications 15:42:06 <planetmaker> but I somehow only managed yesterday night to produce NML errors. And I'm not sure where I go wrong... most probable with the cargo types definitions 15:43:21 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:46:12 <planetmaker> but no rush, I'll not be around tonight :-) 15:46:27 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:46:34 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8648.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:51:16 <VVG> in FIRS, does it matter how many engeneering supplies i delivered to a mine to gain that 1 in 4 chance of production increase? 15:51:27 <andythenorth> at least 1 unit per month 15:52:12 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 15:55:28 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC6EB6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:56:02 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:59:15 <VVG> ty 16:04:16 *** woldemar [~maru@213.178.34.57] has joined #openttd 16:12:03 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc434.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:14:20 *** piroko [~jeremy@pohl.ececs.uc.edu] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:14:23 <Yexo> planetmaker: http://paste.openttd.org/225944 16:14:42 <Yexo> 3rd.png is copied from nutracks, offsets are also taken from there 16:14:57 <Yexo> this would give normal rail a spee dlimit of 40km/h and the 3rd-rail graphics 16:15:25 <Yexo> for the number used in the graphics block see http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Action3, we need constants for that 16:15:49 <Yexo> and it doesn't behave nice becaues not all graphics are defined, but it gives an idea of how to do it 16:18:28 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has joined #openttd 16:18:40 <planetmaker> ah. There was my missing piece 16:18:50 <planetmaker> the numbers defined in the lowest block for the graphics :-) 16:18:56 <planetmaker> thanks a lot, yexo! 16:19:30 <Yexo> adding number there wasn't possible until r300 :p 16:19:44 <Yexo> before that you could only use cargolabels which makes no sense for railtypes 16:19:59 <planetmaker> :-) 16:21:07 <planetmaker> I guess I can define the constants then :-) 16:21:28 <planetmaker> or do you do that already? 16:22:06 <Yexo> nope 16:22:30 <Yexo> relevant code is action3.py:62 16:22:46 <Yexo> so don't add the constants to the global constants table, just define a new table in action3.py 16:26:09 <planetmaker> ok 16:26:15 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:26:39 <planetmaker> why not global? 16:33:25 <planetmaker> hm... I guess the price we pay for the nice NML source code is a bit speed :-) 16:38:22 <Yexo> that's only when writing grf files, I haven't figured out yet where exactly in that code though 16:39:37 <planetmaker> well. Writing grf files is what we finally want ;-) 16:39:54 <planetmaker> I don't mind as of now :-) 16:43:35 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba8f55.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:48:28 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: more listen, more understand, more know] 16:49:21 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba8f55.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00:37 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-16-59.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:02:47 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-24-173.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 17:02:50 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 17:03:37 <frosch123> planetmaker: lazatus/freepascal is very different to delphi when it comes to gui stuff 17:04:17 <planetmaker> :-) I never really looked at it 17:04:38 <frosch123> even grf2html needed porting :p 17:04:50 <planetmaker> oh :-) 17:05:43 <Belugas> ho... the Prince of Fucking Darkness has a new album coming in 17:06:00 <frosch123> but well, delphi is dead, long live freepascal :) 17:06:06 <planetmaker> hehe :-) 17:08:20 <Belugas> Delphi ? Dead? haa.... come on 17:08:32 <peter1138> new ozzy? 17:08:38 <frosch123> what version are you using, belugas? 17:08:48 <peter1138> one week away, hee 17:09:23 <Yexo> planetmaker: try "-u" if you want speed (no sprite compression) 17:09:25 <Belugas> peter1138, yes http://www.myspace.com/ozzyosbourne 17:09:39 <Belugas> frosch123: currently, D4, D5, D2006 17:09:43 <Belugas> and D6 17:10:00 <planetmaker> interesting, Yexo :-) 17:10:03 <frosch123> oh, D2006 surpised me 17:10:39 <Yexo> nml/lz77.py is the problem with the speed 17:10:44 <peter1138> ... 17:10:47 <peter1138> sold out :( 17:11:25 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Also want to avoid spoilers. ;)] 17:12:21 <Belugas> i yurked at D2006. I love the form editor separated from the source code 17:12:26 <Belugas> and it takes like forever to load 17:13:43 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:13:43 <frosch123> hehe, that's what i mean. the only usuable versions of delphi are ten years and olde 17:16:33 <Belugas> yup 17:19:45 <Belugas> skype is done in Delphi 17:20:18 <Belugas> as well as Fruity loops, DEvC++, AdAware, Beyond Compare and way more 17:20:30 <Belugas> the king is dead, long live the king 17:20:43 <Belugas> but yeah for Embarcadero, it's still alive! 17:20:48 <Belugas> hope for the best :S 17:21:53 <SpComb> Yexo: is that the .grf compression? 17:22:17 <planetmaker> yes 17:22:34 <planetmaker> obviously :-) 17:22:40 <Yexo> behavior is the same as the grfcodec -u flag 17:23:57 <SpComb> apply Cython 17:24:47 <planetmaker> Yexo, you helped swedish rails quite a lot today :-) Thanks! 17:25:05 <Yexo> does it all work? :p 17:25:35 <planetmaker> I *think*. I haven't done comprehensive testing and I need to properly align everything 17:26:00 <SpComb> hmm, each sprite is compressed separately? 17:26:37 <Yexo> yes 17:26:45 <Yexo> and only real sprites 17:32:35 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:36:08 <planetmaker> have a good evening :-) bye bye 17:36:17 <Alberth> bye 17:42:06 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 17:45:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r19989 /trunk/src/lang/ (czech.txt russian.txt unfinished/irish.txt): 17:45:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: czech - 3 changes by Hadez 17:45:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: irish - 79 changes by tem 17:45:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: russian - 2 changes by LazyBoy 17:50:12 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 17:54:06 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@client-86-31-243-12.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:54:06 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:54:09 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@client-86-31-243-12.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:54:26 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 17:58:43 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.25.99.137] has joined #openttd 18:11:52 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 18:21:45 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.25.99.137] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:23:28 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.25.99.137] has joined #openttd 18:28:22 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host226-233-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:28:36 <Wolf01> hello 18:29:16 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:33:30 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.25.99.137] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:34:06 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:46:26 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-2af0e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 18:46:35 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:48:54 *** phalax [~phalax@c213-100-75-160.swipnet.se] has joined #openttd 18:51:10 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:51:56 <andythenorth> evenin 18:59:30 <Eddi|zuHause> <glx> adding and removing station set is safe <-- afair there was a flaw in there, when you remove a station grf, and then add a different one 18:59:56 <Eddi|zuHause> then existing stations with trains in them can become non-track 19:00:28 <peter1138> only if the grfs have the same grfid 19:00:51 <frosch123> like isr :) 19:01:12 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, the trouble was replacing one isr version with another one 19:01:24 <Eddi|zuHause> 0.7 to 0.8 or so... 19:03:16 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe32dc00-253.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 19:17:54 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 19:18:11 <Ammler> almost every isr wasn't compatible 19:26:46 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-120-159.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:27:10 <Zuu> Ammler: Have you yet decided to come? 19:27:27 <Zuu> or is that still on the todo-list? ;-) 19:37:41 *** elmz_ [~elmz@222.80-202-29.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:37:42 *** elmz [~elmz@222.80-202-29.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 19:37:54 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@5e0bd000.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 19:41:49 <__ln__> Blue1 has cancelled their strike 19:44:32 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0ab294.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:44:32 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 19:52:19 * andythenorth ponders more schemes to distribute industry on the map 19:52:52 <andythenorth> oil wells should either cluster with lower production or... 19:53:01 <andythenorth> ...one larger oil well with high production 19:53:33 <andythenorth> (oil field) 19:53:51 <andythenorth> Mines are probably fine 19:54:55 <andythenorth> Should forests cluster? 19:58:38 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:01:19 <Eddi|zuHause> i think all primary industries can cluster, except maybe scrapyards 20:01:27 <Ammler> Zuu: I have acutally no serious excuse to not come, except the long trip :-) 20:01:39 <Zuu> Longer than mine? 20:02:05 <Eddi|zuHause> i believe almost the same, if you don't count the water 20:03:36 <Eddi|zuHause> i think your main problem is that braunschweig is not reasonably reachable from the north ;) 20:04:05 <Zuu> Only 1.5 hours from berlin which is just an overnight train away. :-) 20:04:31 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but berlin is not north of braunschweig ;) 20:04:35 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:04:57 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: what's your reasoning for clustering all primary? 20:05:35 <Zuu> The other option is to take a night train to hannover, which is closer to braunschweig, but the night train arrives to early in the mornining in Hannover. :-p 20:05:51 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: gameplay wise, i like to cover several industries with a feeder system 20:06:42 <andythenorth> me too in most cases...not all 20:07:06 <Eddi|zuHause> "realism" wise, the environmental circumstances in a region often allow multiple industries of a similar kind spread out a little 20:07:19 <andythenorth> I instigated clustering farms so that each farm could have low production....I don't like a big queue of trucks at a farm 20:07:39 <andythenorth> mines I can cluster, but at a smaller cluster size than farms 20:07:46 <andythenorth> as mines already have high production 20:08:05 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, something like 2-4 at a location 20:09:09 <Eddi|zuHause> forests are often in places that are difficult for agricultural development, e.g. hilly landscape 20:09:20 <andythenorth> forests....depends how I implement them. 20:09:48 <andythenorth> I would like to do the trees with 'field tiles' 20:09:54 <andythenorth> that's work in progress 20:10:15 <Eddi|zuHause> that could be interesting, yes ;) 20:10:45 <andythenorth> the forest will then be either *one* logging camp surrounded by multiple 'landings' with yarders and trucks....or.... 20:11:02 <andythenorth> each industry will be one landing (no logging camps needed) 20:11:15 <andythenorth> I am thinking the second route at the moment 20:11:28 <andythenorth> as IRL transport starts right at the landing 20:12:14 <andythenorth> in that case forests could have quite low production, and cluster 20:15:38 <frosch123> maybe cluster the mines, but with distance > 80 tiles 20:15:54 <frosch123> so the 64x64 station fools cannot service them with one station :p 20:15:57 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, something like that 20:16:09 <Eddi|zuHause> so they are in the same region 20:16:22 <Eddi|zuHause> and not scattered equidistant on the map 20:17:06 <andythenorth> my clustering code can enforce min / max distances easily 20:24:29 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: feeders with oil wells? Seems really boring 20:24:59 <andythenorth> I'm thinking one oil field, spread over many tiles, high production, no clusters 20:25:21 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe, but don't fall in the PBI trap to enforce the oil field on a flat land 20:25:41 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.25.99.137] has joined #openttd 20:26:02 <andythenorth> I need to figure out how to allow building on slopes anyway 20:26:22 <andythenorth> if no sprites require more than one tile, it should be ok 20:29:27 <Zuu> Night 20:29:31 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-2af0e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:38:56 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:46:24 *** phalax [~phalax@c213-100-75-160.swipnet.se] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:02:21 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc434.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:03:24 <Belugas> b 21:03:25 <Belugas> y 21:03:26 <Belugas> e 21:13:08 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 21:14:58 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 21:24:09 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 21:26:41 <Terkhen> good night 21:26:50 <Wolf01> 'night 21:26:54 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host226-233-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:29:22 <__ln__> 'night wolf01 21:32:34 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@77.106.155.142] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:36:02 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8648.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:47:30 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 21:52:28 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.25.99.137] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 21:54:38 *** elmz [~elmz@222.80-202-29.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:54:58 *** JVassie_ [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:55:03 <JVassie_> *izbakistan* 21:55:28 *** elmz [~elmz@222.80-202-29.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 21:56:20 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:09:59 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 22:11:58 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 22:25:15 *** Adambean` [CG1@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 22:25:18 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 22:25:19 *** Adambean` [CG1@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:27:51 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has joined #openttd 22:43:09 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:44:15 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DBCE1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... 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