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01:16:06  <zachanim1> r20000, anything planned?
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01:41:38  <fjb> Meeting in Braunschweig. See the forum.
01:45:50  <zachanim1> I shall
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06:33:52  <Terkhen> good morning
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07:05:26  <andythenorth> FIRS -> r962 :)
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07:17:20  <planetmaker> moin
07:17:33  <planetmaker> I'd like to ask: are there means to obtain the build date of a depot?
07:17:44  <planetmaker> I haven't found one, but I might just be blind and ignorant
07:18:33  <planetmaker> changing depot graphics as a function of the current date is not so much fun as as a function of its build date ;-)
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08:43:16  <SmatZ> planetmaker: afaik, the build date is not stored anywhere
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08:44:46  <planetmaker> I feared as much - and opened a feature request ;-)
08:45:16  <planetmaker> it's somewhat funny, if the building switches colour and shape on 1.1.1966 :-P
08:45:17  <SmatZ> :)
08:48:23  <TrueBrain> @whoami
08:48:23  <TrueBrain> DorpsGek: what is wrong with you?
08:48:25  <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: TrueBrain
08:48:31  <TrueBrain> damn you slow bastard
08:50:46  <peter1138> true true truebrain
08:55:24  * andythenorth ponders another 37 FIRS commits for 1k
08:55:31  * andythenorth has real work to do
08:56:27  <peter1138> hmm
08:56:37  <VVG> what's a real work compared to 1k commits?
08:56:52  <VVG> err, hi
08:57:46  <planetmaker> go, andythenorth, go! :-)
08:59:00  <theholyduck> andythenorth, either your commits each have very little stuff in them, or you work like a nutter
08:59:18  <theholyduck> x264, the worlds leading h264 encoder has 1700 commits or so
08:59:25  <theholyduck> over something like 4 years
08:59:31  <theholyduck> hmm, more like 6 actually
09:01:54  <VVG> i don't get FIRS - mines' production seems to only drop overtime, if i don't use eng supplies. Or is this actually intented behavior?
09:06:51  <TrueBrain> Yexo: where did we say we would meet again?
09:06:55  <TrueBrain> Utrecht, but forgot where :D
09:16:13  <andythenorth> VVG: I can't remember the code, but yes I think it currently randomly drops over time
09:16:44  <andythenorth> there won't be many parameters for FIRS, but there will (one day) be a parameter to control industry production / closing
09:24:36  <VVG> somewhere in FIRS forum thread i read it backs to default production change rountine, if eng supplies aren't present
09:25:14  <andythenorth> VVG: I can't remember if that is current code
09:29:36  <VVG> such behavior was quite unexpected for me, after default and ECSv industries. I went through about 20 last pages of FIRS development thread to see any indication of how production changes, and the only one i found is the one that it switches to default routine if eng supplies aren't present. thanks for clarifying it now
09:34:41  <__ln__> 11:48 < TrueBrain> DorpsGek: what is wrong with you?  11:48 <@DorpsGek> TrueBrain: TrueBrain   <-- DorpsGek's being honest?
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09:46:43  <andythenorth> VVG: I just read the code, it works as follows:
09:46:51  <andythenorth> ENSP delivered: random chance of increase
09:47:15  <andythenorth> no ENSP delivered.  Case 1: current production is high.  High chance of production increase
09:47:46  <andythenorth> oops.  High chance of production *decrease*
09:48:01  <andythenorth> Case 2: current production is low.  Low chance of production decrease
09:48:29  <andythenorth> Case 3: production is at closure threshold. Tiny chance of closure.
09:49:01  <andythenorth> actual values for high / low production vary by industry
09:49:19  <andythenorth> that's the code in current nightly, think it was present in 0.1
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09:53:00  <VVG> That makes things even more clear. Very helpful, thnks. It will make an excelent piece of info in first post of FIRS thread and readm. 0.1 readyme i have says closure is disabled, which seems now outdated.
09:53:15  <andythenorth> I can't remember when I made the change :)
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09:56:35  <VVG> Do i understand right that this check for supplies pefrormed evry month and approriated cases of action performed also evry month?
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10:19:35  <andythenorth> VVG: yes, production change runs at the start of each month (if I remember correctly)
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11:09:36  <VVG> How do i easily past someone's nickname into typing field in mirc?
11:10:39  <Markk> Paste?
11:10:49  <Markk> Or auto complete?
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11:11:09  <VVG> insert :)
11:11:24  <planetmaker> VVG, probably type the initial characters and press tab
11:11:27  <VVG> to it looks like "Markk: insert :)"
11:11:36  <VVG> whoa
11:11:42  <VVG> nice, thanks
11:11:55  <Markk> :)
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11:13:59  <VVG> andythenorth: do you have any limit for how many eng supplies get used per month at primaries planned?
11:15:12  <VVG> I'm trying now local transfer stations for frequent supplying primaries with engsupplies, but that means i do that in low quantities. i wonder if that is a design feature
11:15:43  <planetmaker> VVG, 1 supply per month is sufficient for the effect to take place
11:16:14  <andythenorth> it's a design feature
11:16:24  <planetmaker> and a good one!
11:16:39  <andythenorth> it mimics the town growth behaviour of default TTD
11:17:07  * andythenorth suspects the question will keep getting asked for the next n years though :P
11:17:40  <planetmaker> andythenorth, FAQ / readme :-P
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12:00:15  <VVG> andythenorth: does amount of supplies avaible have any effect on chance of increase and/or actual production increase?
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12:08:32  <andythenorth> VVG: no
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12:21:00  <Yexo> TrueBrain: at the stadium, right?
12:21:17  <TrueBrain> ah, yes
12:21:19  <TrueBrain> tnx :)
12:21:33  <Yexo> I still have to figure out which bus to take there
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12:23:59  <Yexo> TrueBrain: do you have a "pomp voor een luchtbed"?
12:24:26  <glx> mouth works well for that ;)
12:24:39  <Yexo> yes, but that's a lot of work :p
12:24:40  <TrueBrain> Yexo: nope ...
12:24:45  <TrueBrain> can ask for one here ...
12:24:48  <TrueBrain> need something myself too :p
12:24:56  <glx> 12V compressor is better :)
12:25:14  <Yexo> planetmaker: do you have one?
12:25:23  <Yexo> a pump for an air mattress?
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12:35:59  <__ln__> greetings from Bjarniland's airport
12:42:12  <ccfreak2k> Yexo, could also be a tire pump.
12:44:33  <ccfreak2k> Although I guess "luchtbed" doesn't match.
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13:03:30  <Belugas> hi hi
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13:17:04  <Zuu> me is on a train
13:17:36  <Zuu> And will have about 20 hour of going on train this weekend :-)
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13:18:17  <Zuu> And a 60 pages long report to review.
13:20:23  * andythenorth hopes for some nice code this weekend :)
13:20:33  * andythenorth will contribute some FIRS in return
13:20:49  <Zuu> how is your commit script going? :-)
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13:22:07  * andythenorth waves two fingers at Zuu
13:22:13  <andythenorth> go read the diffs :P
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13:22:48  <Zuu> ottd or firs?
13:23:12  <andythenorth> FIRS
13:23:54  <Zuu> hmm, google intreprete "firs" as first :-(
13:24:13  <Zuu> is there a website where the firs svn log can be seen?
13:25:04  <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository
13:25:31  <Zuu> Thanks, btw, have you yet added firs to grf-crawler?
13:27:06  <andythenorth> can't remember
13:27:09  <andythenorth> it's on Bananas
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13:27:50  <Zuu> I see many "Change: provide cb28 spacing of distances for ..." with about a second between each commit. However you did stop quite far from r1000
13:28:18  <andythenorth> Zuu: I've got to think of another 37 easy changes :P
13:28:23  <andythenorth> each of those commits is valid
13:28:45  <Zuu> :-)
13:28:47  <andythenorth> Each is a significant change to an industry.  And each one has to be tested before commit.
13:29:06  <andythenorth> They are 1s apart because I pushed them all at once :)
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13:41:17  <Eddi|zuHause> hm... the 32bpp extra zoom graphics heavily increase the toy railway factor...
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13:52:12  <planetmaker> Is there a way for a rail tile to query whether it's part of a station or depot?
13:52:44  <planetmaker> afaik they 'just' get the normal track - and then the station or depot drawn on top of it.
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13:54:01  <Yexo> if it's about snow on the tracks in the depot the querying the tile type won't help you for stations
13:54:08  <Yexo> some stations are "open" and some have a roof
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13:59:32  <planetmaker> true. But that's exactly what it's about
14:00:48  <Yexo> for depots you can solve it in another way, right?
14:01:10  <planetmaker> I can draw the depots with the tracks included
14:01:17  <planetmaker> effectively over-painting the drawn tracks
14:01:38  <planetmaker> stations is another issue... they're independent sets
14:02:17  <Yexo> station tiles would need a bit to indicate whether they have a roof or not
14:02:24  <planetmaker> yes
14:02:31  <Yexo> then rail tiles could query "roof or not", which would return true for depots
14:03:11  <planetmaker> feature request ;-)
14:03:18  <planetmaker> so many there are
14:03:37  <planetmaker> btw, other construction site: did you see my NML report?
14:03:44  <Yexo> yes
14:03:56  <Yexo> param in switch range <- that one, right?
14:04:03  <planetmaker> yes
14:04:11  <planetmaker> is it me or NML?
14:04:12  <Yexo> I'll try and fix that now
14:04:18  <planetmaker> ok :-)
14:04:43  <planetmaker> the apples are already bought ;-)
14:05:22  <Yexo> do you have a pump for an air mattress?
14:05:55  <Zuu_> Hmm, that would be usefull, I've put mine into my bag, but I've not left Sweden yet. :-)
14:06:51  <Eddi|zuHause> i have never left sweden in my whole life :p
14:07:54  <Zuu_> I'll bring mine unless I'm told pm has one of the right type.
14:08:41  <fjb> Hm, signals on bridgeheads would be a nice feature in my actual game.
14:09:44  <Zuu_> Eddi: ^^
14:10:22  <planetmaker> Yexo: I don't
14:10:36  <Zuu_> Mine is about 8-10 mm I think.
14:13:07  <planetmaker> hm.... not much room in my fridge anymore ;-)
14:13:16  <Zuu_> hehe
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14:13:24  <Zuu_> That we'll solve tomorrow :-)
14:13:33  <planetmaker> I hope so!
14:14:36  <Yexo> what about breakfast sunday morning? bringing some bread etc. isn't a problem as long as I know what to bring
14:14:42  <planetmaker> the weather forecast is not of the nice kind really :-(
14:15:07  <planetmaker> Yexo: I have a bit of cheese and marmelades
14:15:16  <planetmaker> I thought we get rolls from the bakery on Sunday
14:15:24  <Yexo> ok, good idea
14:16:22  <planetmaker> I don't have Smutjes, though ;-)
14:16:42  <planetmaker> nor Vla
14:18:54  <Zuu_> heh, saturday is rather okay, only "chance for showers" in the afternoon, but on suday it is "slight chance for thunderstorm" :-p
14:19:00  <Zuu_> sunday*
14:19:25  <Eddi|zuHause> we should have done it today :)
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14:19:29  <planetmaker> well. Doesn't really make a difference
14:19:38  <planetmaker> yeah, today is fine weather... sort of
14:19:42  <planetmaker> yesterday!
14:20:11  <Zuu_> Hmm, i'm soon getting of this train. See you tomorrow!
14:20:13  <planetmaker> well. I've two tents.
14:20:23  <planetmaker> See you, Zuu!
14:20:27  <planetmaker> Have a safe travel
14:20:52  <Zuu_> thanks. I've even made a hand-written map over your area :-)
14:21:17  <planetmaker> he. I thought everyone used google maps and just a print-out of it.
14:22:00  <Zuu_> Well, no printer on the train :-p and it would be to expansive to go online to google maps arbroad. :-(
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14:22:14  <planetmaker> oh, yes :-)
14:22:19  <Zuu_> Unfortutately my flatrate only works within sweden.
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14:22:32  <planetmaker> well... I'd have assumed you got that at home :-P
14:22:53  <Zuu_> I got a printer at one of my homes but didn't remember to do that.
14:23:00  <Zuu_> :-)
14:23:33  <Zuu_> bye
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14:44:42  <Belugas> hooo.... Zuu is a rich man....
14:44:49  <Belugas> ONE of my HOMES
14:50:04  <zachanim1> planetmaker!
14:50:19  <planetmaker> ?
14:52:16  <Belugas> planetmaker!!
14:52:22  * planetmaker wonders wether...
14:52:41  <planetmaker> ...the first random highlight had more sense than just being annoying
14:52:46  <planetmaker> hello Belugas :-)
14:53:05  <Belugas> hehehe
14:53:07  <Belugas> hello sir :)
14:53:35  <planetmaker> I still have one spot reserved :)
15:00:05  <zachanim1> planetmaker, not really
15:00:09  <zachanim1> was it annoying? T_T
15:02:10  <planetmaker> irritating
15:02:28  <planetmaker> I usually assume someone wants to talk to me then for... some reason ;-)
15:05:01  <Belugas> or at least wave at you, when they are people you know :)
15:06:59  <zachanim1> well
15:07:04  <zachanim1> I just wanted to say teh_hi
15:10:05  <Belugas> hi zachanim1
15:11:26  <planetmaker> hi hi :-)
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15:13:06  <zachanima> hi Belugas
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15:33:16  <Belugas> planetmaker, you should be honnored ;) he hailed you above all the other guys in here ;)
15:33:21  <Belugas> hello Lakie
15:33:35  <Lakie> Hi Belugas
15:33:36  <planetmaker> :-) true dat
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17:12:04  <Wolf01> hi
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17:45:33  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r19994 /trunk/src/lang/ (slovak.txt unfinished/irish.txt):
17:45:33  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:33  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: irish - 108 changes by tem
17:45:33  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: slovak - 17 changes by keso53
17:50:27  <SirSquidness> oh man, so close
17:50:31  * SirSquidness bounces around a bit :D
17:51:55  <GVV> andythenorth: is 936 savegame compatible with 913 version?
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18:00:39  <planetmaker> SirSquidness: tomorrow ;-)
18:01:53  <__ln__> _o/
18:10:20  <Belugas> unless i commit a typo which will end up in about 4 other commits to fix the typo fix since i don't compile...
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18:12:37  <Belugas> nice.. very nice...
18:12:47  <Belugas> i am doing this build of our app
18:12:58  <Belugas> it's version : 5.7.7 RL
18:13:01  <Belugas> pffffff
18:15:28  <Wolf01> bbl
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18:19:38  <andythenorth> evening
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18:34:19  <Eddi|zuHause> looks like we'll be passing the Hbf on our way
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18:47:39  <planetmaker> coming from Halle?
18:47:42  <planetmaker> by car
18:47:45  <planetmaker> unlikely
18:47:56  <planetmaker> as I'd assume you come via A2
18:48:40  <planetmaker> loool @ Belugas ' app version
18:50:58  <Eddi|zuHause> i did tell you in the past that i'm not actually in Halle, but outside, on the "wrong" side of the river...
18:51:15  <Eddi|zuHause> so we'd come via B6
18:52:13  <Eddi|zuHause> A14/A2 could theoretically be faster, but they haven't finished the A143 yet
18:52:22  <planetmaker> yeah... but still I thought A14/A2 is faster
18:52:25  <Eddi|zuHause> so there is no sensible way to cross the river
18:52:31  <planetmaker> oki :-)
18:52:41  <planetmaker> then you'll come past the station probably, yes
18:53:08  <Eddi|zuHause> B6 is 20km shorter
18:53:18  <Eddi|zuHause> according to google
18:53:33  <Eddi|zuHause> and i don't believe it saying that it's not going to be faster
18:54:17  <Eddi|zuHause> google says difference is 2 minutes
18:54:28  <Eddi|zuHause> but i know the road it's suggesting, and i don't believe it...
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19:01:53  <michi_cc> planetmaker: Anything I should bring tomorrow?
19:02:53  <planetmaker> ah, moin & welcome back
19:03:04  <planetmaker> hm, yes, maybe: bring Baguette
19:03:17  <planetmaker> suficient for 14 people to come along with BBQ
19:03:37  <planetmaker> then I can skip buying that tomorrow and 'just' bake cake :-)
19:03:50  <planetmaker> I have 3 'Fladenbrot' already, though
19:03:58  <planetmaker> And herb butter
19:04:20  <planetmaker> gah.. discussing BBQ in English is not 100% trivial
19:04:21  <michi_cc> no problem if they have enough in the shop, trunk of the car is big enough :)
19:04:33  <planetmaker> :-)
19:04:42  <planetmaker> and bring good weather :-P
19:04:56  <michi_cc> enough meat and drinks are present?
19:05:07  <planetmaker> I *think*
19:05:18  <andythenorth> FIRS 964...not many to go :)
19:05:23  <planetmaker> It's always hard to judge if it's too little, too much or just right
19:05:38  <michi_cc> Just hope I didn't bring Vancouver weather along because that's mostly rain :)
19:05:42  <planetmaker> two sausages for everyone, some spare ribs, some steaks
19:05:51  <planetmaker> some sticks
19:06:01  <planetmaker> sufficient?
19:06:05  <zachanima> forum post?
19:06:12  <planetmaker> oh... and "Bauchfleisch"
19:06:29  <planetmaker> like 1.5 per nose
19:06:43  <planetmaker> same with the steaks I *think*
19:06:57  <planetmaker> and the spare ribs. Always a factor 1.5 on the number of people or so
19:07:01  <planetmaker> or factor 1
19:07:22  <planetmaker> zachanima: yes, there is somewhere. About the r20k meeting
19:07:42  <michi_cc> should be enough I guess. If I see something looking very tasty I might buy a bit
19:07:43  <planetmaker> But I think no one replied there what they bring ;-)
19:07:52  <planetmaker> oki :-)
19:08:14  <zachanima> planetmaker, yeah, I was just uh
19:08:16  <zachanima> where is it?
19:08:20  <michi_cc> drinks all set?
19:08:40  <planetmaker> michi_cc: I don't have bought specifically strong ones
19:09:02  <planetmaker> Two sets of beer, a 5l keg and SmatZ is bringing a car full of beer
19:09:11  <michi_cc> I'm driving, so I don't care
19:09:22  <planetmaker> I have also alcohol free yeast beer :-)
19:09:25  <SpComb> czech beer
19:09:40  <planetmaker> I've a bit coke, Apfelschorle, some juices
19:09:54  <planetmaker> And a set of Bionade
19:09:56  <SpComb> and a working WLAN? :)
19:09:59  <planetmaker> sure
19:10:09  <planetmaker> I just looked up my WAP password :-)
19:10:18  <planetmaker> so that I actually will recall tomorrow ;-)
19:10:26  <SpComb> oh, it's tomorrow
19:10:26  <Eddi|zuHause> i can bring a few bottles of Fanta, if you want
19:10:52  <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: if you want. I never drink that stuff. That's why I try to avoid getting large stocks of that around here
19:11:29  <Eddi|zuHause> 2x1.5l Fanta, 1x1.5l Sprite?
19:11:29  <michi_cc> Do you need any help setting things up? I should be able to manage getting up early enough tomorrow :)
19:11:31  <planetmaker> I have a bit bitter lemon, tonic water and one bottle of orangina here
19:11:34  <SpComb> planetmaker: how many people do you know are coming?
19:11:38  <planetmaker> 14
19:11:48  <planetmaker> michi_cc: I guess it'll be fine.
19:11:53  <Eddi|zuHause> value: about 5€ ;)
19:12:01  <planetmaker> though if you feel like come along when you want :-)
19:12:02  <Rubidium> WAP as in WPA or as in WEP?
19:12:20  <SpComb> wap-only network access
19:12:32  <Eddi|zuHause> that sounds fun... ;)
19:12:43  <planetmaker> wpa2
19:12:49  <SpComb> set up your own WML proxy
19:13:05  <Eddi|zuHause> ... i have no reasonable laptop anyway
19:13:22  <planetmaker> well. I can provide cable connection, too ;-)
19:13:24  * andythenorth has just got an iPad
19:13:27  <andythenorth> for work purposes
19:13:41  <Eddi|zuHause> i have a 486SX25, but the battery is dead, and it doesn't have WLAN
19:13:50  <Eddi|zuHause> or any other kind of LAN for that matter
19:14:26  <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: well, bring those drinks, if you like
19:14:32  <planetmaker> @calc 190/14
19:14:32  <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 13.5714285714
19:14:50  <Eddi|zuHause> it should have a 200MB hard disk, 8MB ram and win95 on it
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19:16:14  <planetmaker> well, I have food worth 13€ per expected person here right now :-)
19:16:39  <planetmaker> zachanima: it's in Braunschweig
19:16:59  <planetmaker> we start at ~13:30 when the Dutch start playing ;-)
19:17:10  <zachanima> Germany?
19:17:13  <planetmaker> yes
19:17:20  <zachanima> how far down?
19:17:31  <Eddi|zuHause> northern germany
19:17:55  <planetmaker> 52.2670°N, 10.5330°
19:18:01  <zachanima> open to not-so-into-the-community-yet?
19:18:05  <planetmaker> yes
19:18:25  <zachanima> hmm
19:18:27  <zachanima> interesting
19:18:46  <planetmaker> where about are you from?
19:18:47  <Yexo> planetmaker: about the cost: do you prefer some cash tomorrow or do you want it via bank transfer (in that case, mail me the details)?
19:18:52  * andythenorth has 33 commits to go :P
19:19:00  <planetmaker> Yexo: I don't really care :-)
19:20:09  <planetmaker> I trust all participating persons enough for either way
19:20:30  <planetmaker> what do you like?
19:21:13  <Yexo> I don't care, cash is easy but I can image you don't like too much cash at home
19:21:53  <Yexo> TrueBrain: ^^ same question to you for the fual / car rental cots
19:23:46  <TrueBrain> eeeuuuuhhhh .... don't care :p
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19:26:03  <planetmaker> Yexo: that's not more cash than I can handle
19:26:18  <planetmaker> I have to re-fill my canteen card anyway next week :-P
19:26:33  <Yexo> ok :)
19:26:50  <Eddi|zuHause> i wonder how much i still have on mine...
19:26:59  <Eddi|zuHause> haven't used it in a year
19:27:55  <planetmaker> zachanima: if you feel like you're very welcome tomorrow
19:28:54  <zachanima> planetmaker, thanks, I'
19:29:04  <planetmaker> michi_cc: coming to think about it: it might be helpful if you could come a bit earlier
19:29:12  <zachanima> I'll look into the cost (which is the major concern, really - obviously I love travelling by rail =)
19:29:16  <planetmaker> we have to setup the tents and move the tables / seats
19:29:21  <zachanima> <- from Denmarkia
19:29:24  <planetmaker> two more hands might be very welcome there
19:29:32  <planetmaker> :-)
19:29:44  <planetmaker> you're not the furthest away then, zachanima
19:29:50  <Rubidium> the "French" kinda destroyed that "love" for trains for me
19:30:19  <zachanima> planetmaker, really? Hmm
19:30:28  <zachanima> what bahnhof should I aim for, if I decided to go?
19:30:33  <Eddi|zuHause> zachanima: you probably missed __ln__, he apparently passed through there earlier today
19:30:41  <zachanima> hmm
19:30:44  <Eddi|zuHause> zachanima: Braunschweig Hbf
19:30:44  <zachanima> sweden?
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19:31:27  <zachanima> honestly though, is there an info page or something? times, what to bring, cost etc.?
19:31:30  <Eddi|zuHause> zachanima: as far as i understood it, he took the plane from finland to denmark
19:31:37  <planetmaker> oh, for anyone coming tomorrow: if you're unsuccessful with my door bell: walk around the house into the garden
19:31:38  <zachanima> oh I see
19:31:42  <zachanima> Fins do that
19:31:55  <planetmaker> zachanima: there's not
19:32:02  <planetmaker> it's mostly organized in this channel
19:32:02  <zachanima> I have a friend from Finland who flies to Breakpoint every year (well, he did until it stopped)
19:32:11  <zachanima> and I'd take the train and we'd be there at the same time
19:32:24  <zachanima> about 8 hours' travel
19:32:26  <zachanima> that's not too bad
19:32:30  <planetmaker> I only did a forum post a week ago
19:33:20  <planetmaker> quite unfortunate I won't be able to host more people over night than I count now; but I think I gave an account of a few hotels in that forum post
19:33:33  <zachanima> hmm
19:33:39  <zachanima> so, what are the times?
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19:33:54  <Eddi|zuHause> zachanima: start is around 14:00-ish
19:34:33  <zachanima> Eddi|zuHause, hmm
19:34:34  <planetmaker> if we know that someone is coming later we'll keep a piece of cake :-)
19:35:08  <Eddi|zuHause> the current estimate is we arrive between 14:00 and 14:30
19:35:27  <Eddi|zuHause> but no battle plan ever survived the first contact with the enemy :p
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19:37:58  <planetmaker> anything urgent someone needs to know? I'm off for the next 30 or 45 minutes - getting our Swiss colegue from the station ;-)
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19:46:46  * andythenorth wonders how the electrical substation is provided in FIRS
19:46:51  <andythenorth> there appears to be no code for it :P
19:51:22  <Eddi|zuHause> cool, how you sit in front of code and think "which idiot has written/documented this?!?" :p
19:51:53  <Alberth> and then realize you wrote it yourself :p
19:52:33  <andythenorth> in this case, FooBar wrote it....but we can't blame the absent ones :)
19:52:49  <andythenorth> I don't know what he wrote, because I can't find it.  But it works
19:53:29  <Alberth> as long as that stays the case, all is well :)
19:53:35  <Eddi|zuHause> the way i look at NFO code is search the (real-)sprite, then look around that location
19:57:18  * andythenorth has an interesting feature request
19:57:49  <andythenorth> with newgrf industries....for any industry type, default production is the same when built
19:57:59  <andythenorth> for default industries, production is randomised on construction
19:58:29  <andythenorth> I can't see a way to randomise prop 12 when constructing an industry
20:00:24  <Rubidium> high doses of radiation focussed at the right location
20:00:32  <andythenorth> sun spot
20:00:50  <andythenorth> shake the machine hard enough that  the bits move around
20:01:13  <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause oil wells - one big industry high production, or many small ones, but very close so all can be served with one station?
20:01:24  <andythenorth> second version sucks for ENSP behaviour
20:03:53  <Eddi|zuHause> first one sounds better, but make sure it doesn't flatten the land
20:05:24  <ccfreak2k> andythenorth, I would advise prayer to the right gods.
20:05:37  <ccfreak2k> A sacrifice wouldn't hurt either, unless YOU are the sacrifice.
20:06:59  <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: I can do it with 1 tile oil-pumps, and allow building on slopes (when I figure that out) :P
20:07:13  * andythenorth wonders about PBI oil well sprites
20:07:37  <Eddi|zuHause> i didn't like the "tower" style oil pumps of PBI
20:07:49  <Eddi|zuHause> earlier PBI had nicer ones
20:08:00  <Belugas> bye
20:08:03  <Belugas> good weekend
20:08:40  <Eddi|zuHause> Belugas: so when can we expect you over here? :p
20:10:18  * andythenorth likes the PBI animated nodding-donkey pumps
20:10:23  <andythenorth> @seen pikka
20:10:23  <DorpsGek> andythenorth: pikka was last seen in #openttd 8 weeks, 1 day, 23 hours, 6 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: <Pikka> @calc andythenorth
20:10:25  <andythenorth> poop
20:13:02  <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: farms above the snowline....I'm thinking cut production by 1/3
20:13:10  <andythenorth> need to balance game play and reality :)
20:13:56  <Eddi|zuHause> hm... maybe
20:14:10  <andythenorth> any other ideas?
20:14:17  <andythenorth> it's wide open at the moment :)
20:14:44  <Eddi|zuHause> the silly thing about stopping industry production in winter is that you still need a train waiting, or the rating will be low in the next spring
20:14:54  <andythenorth> yes
20:14:57  <andythenorth> it's annoying
20:15:32  <andythenorth> I could simply prevent farms above snow line
20:15:33  <Eddi|zuHause> but i never had any farms above always-summer snowline in alpine...
20:15:55  <Yexo> maybe only increase production during spring/summer and only decrease production during winter?
20:15:57  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: snow line can change
20:16:16  <andythenorth> that is an additional complication :)
20:16:42  <andythenorth> game always starts in January?
20:16:44  <andythenorth> hmm
20:16:50  <Yexo> I mean use the normal increase/decrease code but prevent increasing production during the winter
20:17:04  <andythenorth> someone has a grf supporting southern hemisphere so checking months doesn't help :P
20:17:38  * andythenorth ponders
20:17:49  <andythenorth> so why should farms above snowline do anything special at all?
20:18:57  <Eddi|zuHause> oh... and if you have too much spare time, could you make the current forest graphics snow-line aware?
20:19:26  <Eddi|zuHause> unless you expect the forests-as-fields feature really soon ;)
20:19:49  <andythenorth> frosch promised it when FIRS hits 1k
20:19:53  <andythenorth> or maybe he said 10k :P
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20:22:48  <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: excuse the terrible pun, but when it comes to snowline....
20:22:55  <andythenorth> I would say this is the low-hanging fruit :P
20:22:56  <andythenorth> http://tt-foundry.com/misc/fruit_snowline.png
20:23:14  <__ln__> Eddi|zuHause: yeah, i flew to denmark and then further to hannover.
20:23:35  <michi_cc> planetmaker: when should I come? around 12?
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20:28:03  * andythenorth runs out of easy FIRS commits
20:28:04  <andythenorth> frick
20:29:33  <Eddi|zuHause> making forests snow-aware is "easy", because both graphics are already there ;)
20:30:24  * andythenorth ponders digging out the default tiles
20:30:34  <andythenorth> the current code just uses the existing industry almost 100%
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20:42:06  <__ln__> @seen Zuu
20:42:06  <DorpsGek> __ln__: Zuu was last seen in #openttd 7 hours, 13 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <Zuu> :-)
20:46:16  <glx> try Zuu_
20:46:38  <__ln__> @seen Zuu_
20:46:38  <DorpsGek> __ln__: Zuu_ was last seen in #openttd 6 hours, 23 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: <Zuu_> bye
20:46:46  <Wolf01> 'night
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20:46:52  <__ln__> night
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21:16:10  <andythenorth> FIRS 986
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21:25:33  <planetmaker> michi_cc: yeah, might be good time
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21:44:05  <andythenorth> FIRS 990
21:44:17  * andythenorth hunts down 1k
21:44:24  <TrueBrain> Yexo / Rubidium: tot morgen, 10:00, Utrecht :)
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21:44:43  * Yexo and alberth will arrive 9:45 if everything goes according to plan
21:44:45  <Yexo> see you there :)
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21:49:05  <zachanima> hmm
21:49:40  <zachanima> connections from the station to uh, the place (where is it? someone's flat?) won't be too difficult/expensive, right?
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22:04:31  <Eddi|zuHause> zachanima: in the order of 1,50€ probably...
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22:05:11  <zachanima> Eddi|zuHause, ah
22:05:20  <zachanima> well, shouldn't be a problem then ^^
22:06:36  <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know who else arrives by train... depending on the time, something might be organised to pick you up
22:06:58  <zachanima> it'll be past 14 so
22:07:08  <zachanima> 14:41, if the train schedule is anything to go by
22:07:14  <Eddi|zuHause> otherwise, plan for tram/bus towards "Burgundenplatz" or "Siegfriedstraße"
22:07:22  <zachanima> so planetmaker tells me ^^
22:07:45  <Eddi|zuHause> last time i checked, it had one transfer in it...
22:11:51  <zachanima> I should be able to figure that out
22:11:59  <zachanima> I can read/listen to german just fine, anyway
22:12:14  <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: depends: tram: maybe, maybe not. bus: yes
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22:39:23  <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.vuvuzela-time.co.uk/tt-forums.net
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23:10:16  <fjb> I'm going by car and could carry 4 persons from the railway station to planetmaker.
23:10:37  <zachanima> fjb, any takers yet? And when would this be?
23:11:21  <fjb> Nobody yet. When? Don't know. When will it begin? Just came home.
23:11:53  <zachanima> think it's about 14
23:12:06  <zachanima> I won't be at the station till 14:41 though, so ... yes
23:13:50  <fjb> Hm, I didn't plan anything yet.
23:14:12  <fjb> When will the others arrive?
23:15:01  <zachanima> keine ahnung
23:15:04  <zachanima> (sp?, etc.)
23:15:55  <fjb> When Do you have to know it? :-)
23:16:14  <zachanima> not until 14:41
23:16:21  <zachanima> =)
23:16:31  <zachanima> I'll contact planetmaker then
23:16:46  <zachanima> or you, if you're willing to share your phone number =)
23:17:51  <fjb> Probably I will take you.
23:18:22  <zachanima> that would be nothing less than swell
23:24:07  <fjb> I have sent planetmaker my mobile phone number.
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