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00:00:30 *** DX_Ipad [Dreamxtrem@92.2.85.232] has quit [] 00:02:40 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 00:03:00 <orange> i notice the official content server seem largely incomplete, is there any way that it can be linked up to other content providers so downloading newGRFs become easier for multiplayer games :) 00:04:45 *** orange [ewrg@cpc2-hawk1-0-0-cust412.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 00:05:26 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@92.8.98.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:09:20 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:09:46 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-27-221-161.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:11:29 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@92.2.161.163] has joined #openttd 00:21:11 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 00:21:51 *** Goulp [~Goulp@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 00:52:28 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has joined #openttd 00:56:50 *** Xrufuian [~Xrufuian@pool-98-119-100-47.lsanca.btas.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 01:11:05 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-193-136-106-77.eidsiva.net] has joined #openttd 01:12:12 <Eddi|zuHause> no... it can't be... especially not within 1 minute 01:25:42 *** phalax [~phalax@c213-100-73-226.swipnet.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:29:20 *** Xrufuian [~Xrufuian@pool-98-119-100-47.lsanca.btas.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Wibbly Wobbly IRC] 01:30:52 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:36:07 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:b442:2c3:afa4:b3e9] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:20:09 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FEE1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:25:29 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-156-152.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 02:29:12 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@2001:1af8:fe2e:110::1] has left #openttd [] 02:30:52 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-149-079.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:09:43 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@92.2.161.163] has quit [Quit: IRC is just multiplayer notepad] 03:10:07 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@92.2.161.163] has joined #openttd 03:17:21 *** tneo [~tneo@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Quit: ZNC by prozac - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 03:18:19 *** tneo [~tneo@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 03:20:47 *** OwenSX-28AC [~oshepherd@kamina.ldn1.uk.e43.eu] has joined #openttd 03:21:50 *** Netsplit reticulum.oftc.net <-> venus.oftc.net quits: Vadtec, OwenS 03:21:50 *** OwenSX-28AC is now known as OwenS 03:23:27 *** Netsplit over, joins: Vadtec 03:35:37 *** Xrufuian [~Xrufuian@pool-98-119-100-47.lsanca.btas.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 03:44:32 *** TheMask96 [martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:10:20 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:12:19 *** phalax [~phalax@c213-100-73-226.swipnet.se] has joined #openttd 04:23:27 *** phalax [~phalax@c213-100-73-226.swipnet.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:25:12 *** phalax [~phalax@c213-100-73-226.swipnet.se] has joined #openttd 04:39:08 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has joined #openttd 04:42:02 *** phalax [~phalax@c213-100-73-226.swipnet.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:42:21 *** phalax [~phalax@c213-100-73-226.swipnet.se] has joined #openttd 04:56:03 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7478B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 04:56:22 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77908.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:00:41 *** Xrufuian [~Xrufuian@pool-98-119-100-47.lsanca.btas.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: bedtime...] 05:01:21 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:01:44 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 05:02:40 *** elho [elho@psycho.elho.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:13:25 *** TheMask96 [martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 06:08:01 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:18:56 *** lusted_gay [~lusted@static227-176.mimer.net] has quit [] 06:31:38 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe34dc00-202.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 06:36:49 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 06:41:11 <ccfreak2k> The OpenGFX snowpack looks like frosting. 06:51:10 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D9C71.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:51:35 <Ammler> Good morning 06:51:39 <Ammler> ccfreak2k: any link? 06:52:59 <ccfreak2k> To what? 06:54:08 *** PeterT` [~PeterT@213.174.102.202] has joined #openttd 06:54:11 * PeterT` is in France 06:54:18 <PeterT`> well, the airport 06:54:27 <PeterT`> internet is 2,90 euros for 30 minutes :( 06:56:05 <Ammler> ccfreak2k: to the snowpack 06:56:15 <ccfreak2k> Can't you just...look in openttd? 06:56:24 <ccfreak2k> PeterT, brutal. 06:57:03 <Ammler> ok, you mean the snowy sprites of opengfx 06:57:16 <PeterT`> :D 06:57:21 <ccfreak2k> The snow-covered ground of the sub-arctic. 06:57:25 <ccfreak2k> It's frosting. 06:57:30 <PeterT`> omg there is a 10 second lag :( 06:57:53 <__ln__> that's because of the translator who translates your lines into french 06:58:17 *** PeterT` [~PeterT@213.174.102.202] has quit [Quit: Goodbye] 07:02:35 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:15:21 <ccfreak2k> Is there a way to remove the timetable from vehicles? 07:20:21 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-193-136-106-77.eidsiva.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:20:49 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 07:30:10 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:31:02 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 07:32:13 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-117-156.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:34:08 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-65-254.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 07:34:11 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 07:41:48 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FE09.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:52:36 <kamil> hi, ap+: run, work... if i write !help in irc then ap+ answer - good! if i write !help in game then not answer - not write in console not found ../help.tcl etc... any idea? 07:57:22 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:02:38 *** tdev [~udev@p508EFADE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:03:46 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.25.100.14] has joined #openttd 08:05:36 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.202] has joined #openttd 08:13:49 <kamil> if i write in irc: !fish then i get answer... if write in game: !fish then not answer... hmm... 08:15:11 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.25.100.14] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:22:43 <Ammler> kamil: check docs for custom commands and responses 08:23:08 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 08:23:51 <Ammler> you find some custom commands examples here: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/scripts 08:25:46 <Ammler> responses are configured in the cfg and for irc only. 08:27:12 <kamil> Ammler: any write script is working from irc, if copy script to game folder then not working from a game... example help.tcl - if write in game !help then not execute script in game/help.tcl... 08:28:04 <Ammler> any output in the console? 08:29:00 <kamil> Ammler: only log chat from game, but not any warn or err (ap+ in debug mode) 08:30:09 <kamil> Ammler: maybe my libs tcl/tclx/tk is wrong? 08:30:38 <Ammler> [2010-06-30 10:30:09] [All] Amm1er: !help <-- you don't have something like that? 08:31:39 <Ammler> you execute the commands in chat ingame, maybe you tried the game console? 08:33:06 <kamil> this is my config: http://pld.pastebin.com/qGb4x56t 08:33:09 <kamil> i try w8 08:33:49 <kamil> [2010-06-30 10:33:24] [Wszyscy] cyp: !help 08:33:50 <kamil> !help 08:33:50 <kamil> !help 08:33:50 <kamil> [2010-06-30 10:33:33] ERROR: command not found 08:33:50 <linbot> kamil: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. 08:33:51 <linbot> kamil: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. 08:34:14 <kamil> Wszyscy == All 08:37:10 <Ammler> oh, you found bad bot here :-) 08:37:25 <Ammler> !part 08:39:17 <Ammler> paste "ls autopilot/scripts/*" 08:42:54 <Ammler> I wonder, how such a spambot can spread in so many channels 08:50:30 <planetmaker> :-O a bot 08:50:48 <planetmaker> no unauthorized bots here... just telling :-) 08:51:45 <peter1138> !uptime 08:51:46 <linbot> peter1138: I have been running for 5 weeks, 2 days, 20 hours, 2 minutes, and 16 seconds. 08:51:54 *** linbot was kicked from #openttd by peter1138 [linbot] 08:51:54 *** linbot [~supybot@webuser.linode.com] has joined #openttd 08:52:08 <__ln__> linbot: sounds like forrest gump's run 08:52:29 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*supybot@*.linode.com] by peter1138 08:52:29 *** linbot was kicked from #openttd by peter1138 [right] 08:52:32 *** mode/#openttd [+nt] by ChanServ 08:55:36 *** mirQus [mirq@rere.qmqm.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:56:53 <peter1138> @help 08:56:54 <DorpsGek> peter1138: help [<plugin>] [<command>] 08:56:57 <Ammler> lately a bot joined our channel with same command prefix, that is dangerous :-) 08:58:10 <Ammler> how is the setting to get more water on the map creation? 08:58:54 <peter1138> okay, it's something to do with mikegrb 09:00:21 <Ammler> variety is something else :-) 09:00:38 *** Lassie [~lassie@82-168-89-237.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:00:55 <peter1138> how is the setting? maybe it's feeling down? 09:01:17 <Ammler> it was 0, changed it to 5 09:01:27 <Ammler> no influence on water 09:02:11 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*michael@*.netop.oftc.net] by peter1138 09:02:11 *** mikegrb was kicked from #openttd by peter1138 [maybe it's that] 09:02:20 <peter1138> http://thegrebs.com/irc/openttd/2010/06/30 09:02:21 <peter1138> ding 09:02:53 <peter1138> netop.oftc.net :D 09:03:17 <Ammler> it is quantity_sea_lakes 09:03:29 <peter1138> Ammler, oh, you mean *what* is the setting 09:03:40 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!*michael@*.netop.oftc.net] by peter1138 09:04:01 <Ammler> well, but then he should at least lobotomize the bot 09:04:17 <peter1138> ircname : Reverend Michael Greb 09:04:18 <tdev> hi all :) 09:04:19 <peter1138> really 09:04:22 <peter1138> hi thomas 09:04:28 <peter1138> 255.255.255.255 :actually using host 09:04:28 <peter1138> 255.255.255.255 :actually using host 09:04:31 <peter1138> uh huh! 09:07:30 *** Lassie [~lassie@82-168-89-237.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:07:52 <Ammler> we really need a webconfigurator back for openttd :-( 09:08:05 <planetmaker> very much so :-( 09:08:17 <Ammler> or something to configure newgrfs with console 09:08:43 <peter1138> @openttd ports 09:08:43 <DorpsGek> peter1138: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service, a.k.a. BaNaNaS (outbound) 09:08:52 <peter1138> "(and port 80 for web config)" 09:08:53 <peter1138> hehe 09:10:00 <Ammler> yeah, openttd with its own webserver \o/ 09:11:21 <tdev> configuring newgrf with vim = fun ensured xD 09:11:36 <tdev> our ottd bot has an integrated webserver ;) 09:12:10 <Ammler> tdev: since bananas, it is hell to configure newgrfs 09:12:30 <tdev> Ammler: why so? 09:12:33 <Ammler> as you need to know the version and the "untared" grfname 09:12:43 <tdev> ah, thats very true 09:12:59 <Ammler> so the configurator should detect that :-) 09:22:20 *** mirQus [mirq@rere.qmqm.pl] has joined #openttd 09:28:53 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g228085194.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 09:31:07 <peter1138> and you can't read the readmes cos they're all tarred up, yes 09:31:25 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@88.130.175.23] has joined #openttd 09:35:34 <kamil> Ammler: http://pastebin.com/BP3SfY9T 09:36:19 <kamil> Ammler: http://pastebin.com/BP3SfY9T 09:36:23 <kamil> lag 09:36:24 <tdev> also, we have an alternative to autopilot ;) 09:36:30 <Ammler> since you have only one grf in a tar, it is a bit senseless anyway 09:38:06 <Ammler> tdev: we have? 09:38:08 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Administr@89.246.167.94] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:38:47 <Ammler> there are a lot, which try to, but none succeeded 09:39:09 <tdev> Ammler: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=49042 09:39:26 <Ammler> xShunter looks like getting a replacement, but closed source 09:41:26 *** fjb [~frank@p5485E14F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:41:50 <Ammler> tdev: there is also a python wrapper 09:42:05 <Ammler> pyottd or something like that 09:42:32 <tdev> never saw that one 09:42:47 <tdev> ideally we have a part in the server itself 09:42:53 <tdev> like a communication protocol 09:42:58 <tdev> *management 09:43:17 <Ammler> the client you linked needs rcon, what I don't like that much 09:43:59 <tdev> yup 09:44:08 <Ammler> and something all wrapper miss is the possiblitly to restart openttd 09:44:17 <tdev> we should write a console wrapper at some time 09:44:23 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8dcfb.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 09:44:26 <Ammler> try pyottd 09:44:36 * Rubidium wonders why that bot needs an imaging library 09:44:39 <Ammler> maybe you could merge that with yours :-) 09:44:39 <tdev> *writing down note* 09:44:58 <tdev> Rubidium: yorick appearently added GRF decompression for whatever reason 09:45:20 <tdev> Ammler: good idea, will look into it 09:47:40 <fjb> Moin 09:48:38 <tdev> Ammler: got a link to pyottd? google find nothing useful 09:53:14 <peter1138> mmmmaltesers 09:53:52 <kamil> Ammler: i run openttd in other machine and... run and working all scripts... sorry for problems... it's my problem on server... ;) 09:54:24 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 09:58:09 <Ammler> tdev: pyottdirc 09:59:29 <tdev> Ammler: tyvm 09:59:38 <Ammler> did you find? 09:59:46 <tdev> yes 09:59:58 <Ammler> there is no link in the readme 10:01:29 <yorick> !logs 10:03:27 *** Lassie [~lassie@82-168-89-237.ip.telfort.nl] has left #openttd [] 10:03:40 *** Lassie [~lassie@82-168-89-237.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:09:10 *** tdev [~udev@p508EFADE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:13:25 *** sunkan [~Tarquin@90-224-108-233-no110.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 10:15:56 *** DJNekkid [~DJ___Nekk@static128-249.mimer.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:26:40 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.2.85.72] has joined #openttd 10:36:35 *** DJNekkid [~DJ___Nekk@static128-249.mimer.net] has joined #openttd 10:51:08 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:02:51 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@88.130.175.23] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:07:40 *** DX_Ipad [~Dreamxtre@92.2.161.163] has joined #openttd 11:12:20 *** Adambean [CG1@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 11:14:48 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@92.2.161.163] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:18:03 *** Yexo [~Yexo@183-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 11:19:01 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-176-79.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 11:54:51 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 12:01:14 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.25.99.89] has joined #openttd 12:10:25 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:f551:7523:1898:181] has joined #openttd 12:10:28 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:13:39 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 12:16:02 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-176-79.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:34:50 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:42:44 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@93.25.99.89] has joined #openttd 12:43:04 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 12:44:21 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-176-79.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 12:45:16 <Belugas> hi there 12:45:34 <Ammler> hello vis-a-vis 12:46:07 <Belugas> holala! 12:46:54 <Belugas> wel.. vis-a-vis... to say that, we both would need to know on which monitor the irc client is placed :) 12:47:18 <Ammler> ah ok, I meant vis-a-vis on the globe :-P 12:48:13 <Belugas> lol 12:48:16 <Belugas> ok :D 12:48:42 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.25.99.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:48:47 <Eddi|zuHause> that would be in new zealand... 12:50:31 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: detail 12:52:51 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: that does assume something about both parties of the vis-a-vis to be "looking" at the same time 12:53:47 <Eddi|zuHause> haha... Wulff fails in the first electorial round 12:54:07 <Rubidium> that's Merkel's "baby"? 12:54:12 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah 12:54:48 <planetmaker> hehe. We just high-fived on that here :-) 12:55:36 <Eddi|zuHause> Wulff (CDU/FDP) 600 - Gauck (SPD/Green) 499 - Jochimsen (Left) 126 - Rennicke (Nationalist) 3 - abstain 13 --- necessary for absolute majority: 623 12:56:54 <Eddi|zuHause> theoretically, CDU+FDP would have 644 votes, so 44 people either abstained or voted for someone else 12:58:48 <Eddi|zuHause> also notable: left party has 152 votes, but only 126 voted for their candidate 12:58:56 <Belugas> Ammler, next time, just say "Hi Dude" :D 12:59:05 <Belugas> or something in that line hehehe 12:59:44 <Noldo_> why would you have your own candidate with 152 votes? 13:00:18 <Eddi|zuHause> Noldo_: because they wouldn't want to support either of the other candidates 13:02:50 <Eddi|zuHause> in a direct election, someone like wulff wouldn't stand a chance... 13:15:46 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:16:55 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-176-79.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:17:24 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-177-246.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 13:18:38 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 13:40:15 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 14:01:18 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: a1270] 14:03:03 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 14:06:31 *** Adambean [CG1@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 14:06:39 <Ammler> orudge: why doesn't tt-forums support nicer urls? 14:07:10 <welshdragon> Ammler: as it's PHPBB :P 14:07:16 <peter1138> nicer? 14:07:31 <peter1138> What are you, an SEO marketer? 14:07:31 <Ammler> something like forums.net/123344/12343 14:09:20 <Ammler> it would allow typing the urls manually, as you can't click for example on the bananas urls :-) 14:10:29 <welshdragon> Ammler: you mean URL's like http://freeside.co.uk/~welshdragon/smi/index.php?topic=164.0 ? 14:10:52 <Eddi|zuHause> # Und die Welt zÀhlt laut bis ZEHN 14:11:30 <Eddi|zuHause> welshdragon: no. urls like welshdragon/164.0 14:11:57 <Ammler> acutally one ID is enough 14:12:57 <Eddi|zuHause> the argument is the same as for wiki pages, and there it was valid enough ;) 14:12:58 <Ammler> maybe TrueBrain could setup a rewrite on forum.openttd.org/<id> to http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=<id> 14:13:28 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe /t/<id> and /p/<id> 14:13:55 <ccfreak2k> Couldn't /t/<id> also be the <id> of the first post? 14:14:05 <Ammler> does it work to post without anchor? 14:14:25 <Eddi|zuHause> ccfreak2k: no, one id can't mean two things at the same time 14:14:33 <Ammler> well, that could be added as well 14:14:38 <TrueBrain> please do not highlight me for such bullshit :D 14:15:13 <Ammler> it is? :-( 14:15:16 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: make a ticket on flyspray (project website?) 14:15:33 <ccfreak2k> Oh, you guys are serous about this? 14:15:40 *** kamnet [4cb15f41@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 14:16:03 <kamnet> Anybody around to help a noob w/ grfmaker for his first time? 14:16:12 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: or make a thread in the feedback forum? 14:17:00 *** phalax [~phalax@c213-100-73-226.swipnet.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:18:09 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.28.181.163] has joined #openttd 14:19:49 *** phalax [~phalax@c213-100-73-226.swipnet.se] has joined #openttd 14:20:41 *** Yexo [~Yexo@183-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:20:55 *** sunkan [~Tarquin@90-224-108-233-no110.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.36 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 14:23:38 *** Xrufuian [~Xrufuian@pool-98-119-100-47.lsanca.btas.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 14:24:20 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:24:28 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@93.25.99.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:25:00 *** Yexo [~Yexo@183-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 14:25:53 <kamnet> It's quiet here today 14:26:23 <Ammler> kamnet: no grfmaker users here 14:26:58 <Xrufuian> That's not exactly true... 14:27:01 <kamnet> lol just my luck 14:27:40 <kamnet> but that's okay. I actually got an almost-working grf together 14:28:15 <kamnet> I was hoping to use grfmaker as a shortcut to figure out the pcx palette issue I'm having 14:28:45 <Ammler> kamnet: you could try ttdviewer 14:29:21 <Ammler> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=46927 14:29:21 <Eddi|zuHause> kamnet: most of the palette issues can be solved by providing -p1 or -p2 as parameter to grfcodec 14:30:16 <Ammler> or http://forum.openttd.org/46927 14:31:23 <Eddi|zuHause> that's unlikely to work :p 14:31:49 <kamnet> Well when I run grfcodec I'm getting the error "unrecognized palette, aborting". 14:32:03 <Eddi|zuHause> then you didn't save the image properly 14:32:15 <Ammler> save the pcx with a petter balette then 14:33:36 <kamnet> That's where I'm clueless. :-) 14:33:59 <Eddi|zuHause> that depends on which image editing program you use... 14:34:34 <kamnet> I'm using Paint.NET 14:35:34 <Eddi|zuHause> http://forums.getpaint.net/index.php?/topic/11672-loading-a-colour-palette/ <-- maybe this is relevant? 14:36:46 <Ammler> kamnet: is it able to read gimp palettes? 14:37:21 <Xrufuian> Paint.NET only suport's its own format. 14:37:22 <kamnet> I do not know. Hm 14:37:32 <Ammler> gimp: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/documents/2 or others: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/home/documents 14:37:48 <planetmaker> he :-) ^ I was just going to dig for those links :-) 14:38:51 <Eddi|zuHause> the link i posted talks about a plugin for palettes, but that link is 404 14:39:01 <Ammler> kamnet: maybe it can "generate" a palette from a image? 14:39:15 <Ammler> then load the palette image and "export" 14:39:36 <Xrufuian> That could work. 14:39:37 <Ammler> or use gimp :-P 14:40:35 <kamnet> Oh yes I found it now - Paint.NET uses a .txt file to define palettes. 14:40:58 <Ammler> kamnet: just be sure, you have a palette without action colors 14:41:04 <Ammler> for converting, but save with complete 14:41:28 <Ammler> test the final image with TTDViewer 14:42:17 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 14:48:18 <kamnet> Grrr. I'm so not having any luck with this 14:50:31 <Xrufuian> Well, Paint.NET doesn't suport predetermined paletts, in a maner usable for 8-bit imagery. The palette is more like a list of favorite colors. 14:51:38 <Eddi|zuHause> better switch to gimp then ;) 14:52:41 <kamnet> lolz 14:52:48 <Xrufuian> I've used Paint.NET for making sprites. It's just tricky to get it to do things right. 14:52:49 <kamnet> Yeah it's still quite immature 14:53:31 <kamnet> argh can't somebody just do it for me??????? *mock whine* 14:55:53 <kamnet> downloading gimp. whee 14:57:06 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@88.130.175.23] has joined #openttd 14:58:03 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not saying "gimp is better", but "gimp is known to work" 14:58:34 <kamnet> I wouldn't disagree with "gimp is better". just haven't attempted to use it in forever :-D 14:58:57 <Ammler> also photoshop could do the job, afaik 14:59:10 * Rubidium just quotes someone: "it simply works better" 14:59:20 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-65-254.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:59:31 <kamnet> last time I used it there was just a barely functioning version for windows and I was being heavily recruited for the dark side of the penguin 15:00:47 <kamnet> OK gimp loaded, how do I use this palette? 15:00:59 <Ammler> load all palettes I linked 15:01:12 <Ammler> load the image, convert to palette wihtout action and company colors 15:01:38 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-34-112.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 15:01:41 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 15:01:51 <Ammler> convert to the full palette, save as pcx or png (nml) 15:03:10 <Ammler> convert: image->mode->index 15:03:12 <Eddi|zuHause> someone really should patch grfcodec with png support... 15:03:18 <planetmaker> why? 15:03:21 <VVG> hello 15:03:25 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: nml 15:03:43 <Eddi|zuHause> that's not what i meant ;) 15:03:43 <Ammler> someone could patch nml to use nfo as input ;-) 15:03:44 <planetmaker> grfcodec and renum don't receive any support obviously anyway. 15:04:07 <VVG> Anyone here uses nutracks? What are some cool and usefull things you can do with them which you can't do with normal tracks? 15:04:15 <VVG> i haven't tried them in actual game yet 15:04:23 <Ammler> then do and tell us 15:04:27 <planetmaker> VVG, then I propose to do so 15:04:27 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: can nml create grfs independent of grfcodec? 15:04:32 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, sure 15:04:36 <planetmaker> and faster at that, too 15:05:04 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: grfcodec won't work with suse 11.3 anymore, btw. 15:05:09 <planetmaker> at least it feels faster :-) 15:05:26 <kamnet> Where do I put this palette file? gimp's documentation isn't helping 15:05:28 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: why not? 15:05:41 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: gcc 4.5 is broken (or grfcodec's source) 15:05:41 <Ammler> well, you might be able to use a binary build on older linux 15:06:03 <Ammler> something with the compressor is broken 15:06:10 <Ammler> with -u, it works 15:06:11 <Eddi|zuHause> so "won't build anymore" is more correct... 15:06:17 <VVG> that's why i'm asking - may be there are some cool setups to try 15:06:27 <Ammler> it builds fine 15:06:35 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: it builds, just "invalid" code or something 15:06:54 <Eddi|zuHause> aha... nasty 15:06:56 <Rubidium> just nobody has bothered enough to actually start a debugging session 15:07:27 <Rubidium> in any case with -O0 it works fine, with -On (n>0) is fails 15:08:16 <Eddi|zuHause> smells like invalid use of undefined features 15:08:39 <Ammler> buildlog grfcodec: https://build.opensuse.org/package/live_build_log?arch=i586&package=openttd-devel-grfcodec&project=home%3Aopenttdcoop&repository=openSUSE_Factory 15:09:15 <Rubidium> I actually fear that grfcodec is somewhat dead 15:09:50 <Rubidium> with both authors of grfcodec (and nforenum) being gone 15:09:53 <Ammler> buildlog opengfx: https://build.opensuse.org/package/live_build_log?arch=i586&package=openttd-data-opengfx&project=home%3Aopenttdcoop&repository=openSUSE_Factory (notice the "Error:âinvalidâcompression,âdataâdiffâatâ449âofâ1393âbytes,âtryingâwithoutâitâforâthisâsprite") 15:10:38 <Rubidium> and the total lack of a response on patches that fix (serious) bugs 15:11:14 <Rubidium> or the actual bug reports 15:11:24 <Ammler> hmm, I wonder, if Fedora 13 has working grfcodec 15:12:47 <Ammler> or the newest ubuntu 15:13:16 <Rubidium> Ammler: that'll only show up one the next full repository rebuild 15:13:54 <Eddi|zuHause> "openttd-devel-grfcodec.i586:âW:ânon-standard-groupâDevelopment/Tools" 15:13:57 <planetmaker> grfcodec for ages doesn't produce valid pcx when run on my mac 15:13:58 <kamnet> OK I'm lost on gimp here. 15:14:16 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: just a "W" :-) 15:14:22 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe use "Development/Tools/Other"? 15:14:36 <Ammler> that is new since around 4 monts 15:14:45 <Rubidium> planetmaker: gcc 4.5? 15:15:00 <planetmaker> nope 15:15:07 <planetmaker> gcc 4.0, 4.2, 4.4 and 4.5 15:15:21 <planetmaker> both i386 and x64 15:15:24 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: I could fix that, if there will ever be a new grfcodec build :-) 15:15:31 <planetmaker> at least I *think* 15:15:45 <planetmaker> But I reported it in the grfcodec thread... but no response 15:15:52 <planetmaker> it's only an invalid header 15:16:12 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:16:20 <planetmaker> the image date except the header itself is written properly 15:16:28 <planetmaker> s/date/data/ 15:17:12 <Eddi|zuHause> "(notice the "Error: invalid compression, data diff at 449 of 1393 bytes, trying without it for this sprite")" <-- that phrase does not appear on the page 15:17:28 <Ammler> that is on the opengfx log 15:17:34 <kamnet> I'm lost on GIMP. I think I found how to load the palette, but I don't see how to convert the image to the palette 15:17:43 <Ammler> with this grfcodec 15:18:08 <Ammler> kamnet: [17:03] <Ammler> convert: image->mode->index 15:18:43 <Ammler> the custom palettes should be there on top 15:18:47 <kamnet> I don't see convert on the toolbar 15:18:56 <Ammler> there is no convert 15:19:07 <Ammler> image->mode->index 15:19:11 <Eddi|zuHause> there is no spoon 15:19:16 <Eddi|zuHause> you must bend yourself 15:19:21 <Ammler> :-) 15:19:26 <kamnet> AHHH! OK 15:19:59 <Ammler> also if you convert to the final palette 15:20:09 <Ammler> you need to keep also unused colors 15:20:38 <Ammler> (there should be checkbox) 15:22:00 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: thanks to the md5check of opengfx, we found out that grfcodec is buggy 15:22:27 <kamnet> So.... there's no point in me using grfcodec at all, is there? 15:23:32 <kamnet> and I guess I'm still not doing it right in gimp. ttdviewer says it can't find a palette 15:26:19 *** KenjiE20 is now known as Guest1611 15:26:22 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.23.6.194] has joined #openttd 15:28:14 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@88.130.175.23] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:29:27 <kamnet> I clicked image->mode->indexed, indexed was already selected 15:29:36 <kamnet> I ent to save as pcx, there were no checkboxes or options 15:29:40 <kamnet> *went 15:30:06 *** Guest1611 [~KenjiE20@92.2.85.72] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:30:21 <planetmaker> kamnet, you might need to convert back to rgb in between different palettes. Stuipd, I know 15:30:30 <planetmaker> But probably I just don't know the right switch ;-) 15:31:27 <kamnet> Ah, yes, that got me that box 15:31:51 <kamnet> But I'm still getting a palette not detected error in ttdviewer 15:33:02 <Ammler> planetmaker: yes 15:33:25 <Ammler> I do it the same 15:33:41 <Ammler> but we aren't artists ;-) 15:34:44 <kamnet> I'm not either. I just wanna use a couple of the field sprites from opengfx and make some fields that I like LOL 15:36:02 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-25-5-181.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:36:05 <kamnet> But oh well. I am out of time for now. Perhaps I can do this tomorrow. 15:36:44 <kamnet> Thank you for the assistance, Ammler, Eddi & planetmaker. :-) 15:37:12 *** kamnet [4cb15f41@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 15:37:24 <Ammler> mÀh 15:37:54 <Ammler> I liked to tell him, that we are looking forward to see some screens on the opengfx thread 15:38:02 <Ammler> maybe he does something useful 15:38:03 <planetmaker> hm. He should give them back to us :-) 15:38:06 <planetmaker> yeah 15:38:46 <Eddi|zuHause> hmzz... i'm getting lots of "kernel: usb 2-3: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 2" 15:39:15 *** Sacro is now known as Guest1613 15:39:15 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.218.212] has joined #openttd 15:39:45 <Eddi|zuHause> about every minute, then it copies a few MB, and stops again, after a timeout, message appears again 15:43:14 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db1abc6.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:46:59 *** DX_Ipad [~Dreamxtre@92.2.161.163] has quit [Quit: Hi, I'm a quit message virus. Please replace your old line with this line and help me take over the world of IRC.] 15:47:25 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@92.2.161.163] has joined #openttd 15:56:37 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 15:58:48 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF84EB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:05:57 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-25-5-181.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:08:37 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20036 /trunk/src/road_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#3911]: tram tracks didn't show at level crossing with the new railtypes 16:10:23 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-25-5-181.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:10:58 <planetmaker> thanks for the quick fix, Rubidium :-) 16:11:36 <Ammler> does railtype also allow a kind of disallow road crossing? 16:12:15 <Rubidium> besides showing nasty images on the level crossing (like dbset)? 16:12:53 <Ammler> dbset has parameter to disable that :-) 16:13:54 <planetmaker> hm... nasty images on level crossings? 16:14:37 <Ammler> well, I would prefer nasty image then for example maglev crossing road 16:14:52 <Rubidium> planetmaker: like the MORE and STOP images in dbset for telling you should make the train longer/shorter... make some nasty graphics "telling" you shouldn't do something 16:17:03 <planetmaker> Ammler, how do I activate the magnifying glass under KDE / Suse? 16:17:10 <planetmaker> Rubidium, :-) 16:17:21 <planetmaker> All things surely will be better in the next release of the db set 16:17:35 <Ammler> pm, you use now KDE4? 16:17:42 <planetmaker> nope ;-) 16:17:51 <Ammler> then I have no idea :-) 16:17:54 <planetmaker> I need a new computer for that 16:17:59 <Ammler> don't hink KDE3 has such features 16:18:19 <Eddi|zuHause> what's wrong with the DBSet level crossings? 16:18:34 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: kmag or something... 16:18:40 <planetmaker> they're not present anyway when used in conjunction with SE rails 16:19:03 <Eddi|zuHause> i did use magnifying glass once upon a time in KDE 3... 16:19:12 <Eddi|zuHause> but i don't remember the exact package to install 16:22:29 <Eddi|zuHause> in kde4 it seems to be "kmag" package, and in kde3 "kdeaccessibility" 16:23:14 <planetmaker> ah, thanks. I'll look there :-) 16:23:53 <planetmaker> hm... DBSet is stupid. It de-activates itself in arctic. 16:24:20 <Eddi|zuHause> it has an exception if alpine is detected ;) 16:24:22 <planetmaker> probably I'm not the right "player-material" ;-) 16:24:39 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, and alpine climate is one huge glitch 16:24:54 <Eddi|zuHause> well, you only need a dummy grf with the same grf-id ;) 16:25:03 <planetmaker> :-) 16:25:12 <Eddi|zuHause> and yes, alpine is unlikely to look well with opengfx... 16:25:39 <planetmaker> it is not only unlikely, it's really ugly. 16:25:56 <Eddi|zuHause> well, just don't do that then... 16:26:03 <planetmaker> besides: uploading a "Not-Alpine-Climate" with that GRFID to bananas would be fun ;-) 16:26:10 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, that's why I don't ;-) 16:26:14 <Eddi|zuHause> make a modified alpine with opengfx-houses ;) 16:26:21 <planetmaker> It's for that reason on my personal "don't ever use" list 16:26:33 <planetmaker> And when I do house set... then a real one 16:26:41 <Eddi|zuHause> i like alpine, i just modded the industries out of it 16:26:45 <planetmaker> which will work independent on base set 16:27:43 <Eddi|zuHause> well, "the next version" of alpine will probably feature full house replacement ;) 16:29:35 <planetmaker> :-) Before I used OpenGFX I found it quite nice, too 16:29:40 <Yexo> http://paste.openttd.org/226050 <-- ttdpatch code to handle actionD signed division 16:29:42 <planetmaker> But it's just not MP compatible anymore 16:30:22 <Yexo> from what I've found the cwd should be replaced by cdq 16:30:23 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:30:34 <Yexo> can someone with some more assembly knowledge take a look at it? 16:30:47 <planetmaker> he... and no TTDP maintainers there to check it out? :S 16:32:18 <Eddi|zuHause> there are TTDP maintainers? 16:32:51 *** Anja [~chatzilla@ti0010a380-3761.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 16:33:13 *** Anja is now known as Anja_S 16:33:18 <planetmaker> not in the past 8 weeks 16:33:41 *** John_Fredrik [~chatzilla@c4CC2BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 16:34:20 *** John_Fredrik [~chatzilla@c4CC2BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has left #openttd [] 16:38:58 *** Pikel [xaero@juggernaut.ircwire.net] has joined #openttd 16:40:22 <Pikel> so umm ... I know this isn't exactly the right forum for this but I got the game working just fine ... build one train, track and stations and all that, the train is running just fine, built another set of tracks, attached to the original line, second train house and train, gave it orders but it won't budge (going to different locations) and I can't figure out why :D 16:40:57 <Yexo> you need to place some signals 16:40:57 <planetmaker> this is the right forum for this. But I don't understand the long sentence :-) 16:41:13 <Yexo> http://wiki.openttd.org/signals 16:41:27 <Yexo> planetmaker: 3 connected stations, no signals, he wonders why the second train doesn't start 16:41:43 <planetmaker> that's a good breakdown :-) 16:42:22 <planetmaker> and I didn't think of "no signals" :-) 16:43:55 <Sacro> grr 16:44:10 <Sacro> that whole wiki page has front/back mixed up 16:44:19 <Sacro> trains wait behind a signal 16:44:24 <Sacro> and you signal behind the junction 16:45:12 <Pikel> ya they are connected out of conviences but part a and port b for each train don't cross 16:45:44 <planetmaker> Pikel, signal blocks count. Not possible or desired paths 16:46:10 <Pikel> ok 16:47:47 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:54:52 <Pikel> huzzuh! now to build more stuff lol 16:56:09 <Pikel> can the mpa be rotated? 16:56:30 <Pikel> map* 16:57:39 <Xrufuian> Nope. But you can press [X] to toggle transparency. 16:58:21 <Pikel> ahhh 16:59:01 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00:55 <Pikel> can the popup's be shut off? they are damned annoying. 17:01:43 <planetmaker> news settings 17:03:27 <Eddi|zuHause> click and hold the news icon at the top 17:04:17 <Eddi|zuHause> set the unimportant ones (like "new industry opens", "industry changes production", "vehicle arrives at station" etc.) to off 17:14:06 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe390.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:25:02 *** Guest1613 [~ben@150.237.48.99] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:27:48 <Pikel> heh ... how do I fix a broke down train? 17:28:01 <PeterT> you can't 17:28:07 <PeterT> just wait 17:28:11 *** Xrufuian [~Xrufuian@pool-98-119-100-47.lsanca.btas.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Like it? Visit #hydrairc on EFNet] 17:28:11 <PeterT> or turn off break downs 17:28:17 <Pikel> ok 17:33:08 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: .] 17:35:41 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@88.130.170.242] has joined #openttd 17:38:57 *** Narcissus [~alex@millsie.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:40:00 *** Narcissus [~alex@millsie.net] has joined #openttd 17:43:06 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Administr@89.246.208.33] has joined #openttd 17:43:45 *** Sacro_ [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 17:45:32 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: translators * r20037 /trunk/src/lang/serbian.txt: 17:45:32 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:32 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: serbian - 7 changes by etran 17:49:45 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@88.130.170.242] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:52:57 <Pikel> moar questions :D how do I clean up a train collision? 17:53:13 <glx> wait 17:53:18 <Pikel> fun :D 17:54:16 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host226-233-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:56:37 <Wolf01> aaaah... today is a good day to stop working... permanently 17:59:05 <PeterT> :-) 17:59:10 <PeterT> take a vacation 18:00:13 <Wolf01> no, I directly resigned... 18:00:28 <PeterT> ah, from what job? 18:00:41 <Wolf01> software developer 18:00:42 *** Sacro__ [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 18:00:48 <PeterT> also...congrats, now you have some free time to play OpenTTD :p 18:01:18 <Wolf01> I already had it... during lunch time 18:01:40 <PeterT> :D 18:02:40 *** Sacro_ [~ben@150.237.48.99] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:02:41 <Wolf01> now I want to recharge my batteries and try the path of Neo... ehm... teaching IT to others 18:02:59 <Wolf01> IT <> italian 18:03:08 <Wolf01> but Information Technology 18:03:08 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-25-5-181.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:05:17 <__ln__> what programming language were you softwaredeveloping in? 18:05:27 <Pikel> ok so how do I get wood to the woodmill now? do I just build a station out in the middle of no where? 18:05:28 <Wolf01> vb6/.net 18:05:41 <__ln__> ugh 18:06:38 <Wolf01> that's the best one I know, I'm programming with basic for 20 years, since my very first "PC" 18:08:09 <Wolf01> maybe I should stop talking like Yoda 18:08:29 <Rubidium> talking like Yoda you should 18:08:43 <Wolf01> that's the one I know best 18:09:43 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@77.106.156.216] has joined #openttd 18:09:51 <__ln__> how many italian verbs do i need to learn in order to speak convincing italian using otherwise spanish grammar and vocabulary? 18:11:13 <Wolf01> italian is the worst language to learn, we have a lot of grammatical rules 18:11:39 <__ln__> i've taken one course of italian, but that was 10 years ago 18:12:50 <Wolf01> the biggest problem is the subjunctive conjugation, then the auxiliary verbs 18:13:38 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Administr@89.246.208.33] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:13:54 <Wolf01> and we don't have any form of knowing if a sentence is a question... we have only the "?" at the end :D 18:14:23 <Rubidium> Wolf01: I would say Japanese is harder (for European people at least) 18:14:25 <Wolf01> that's why I often mistake questions on English 18:15:20 <Wolf01> Rubidium: not too much, the problem is to give the right meaning at a pictogram 18:16:00 <__ln__> Wolf01: there's subjunctive in spanish too, i suppose it's more or less used for similar purposes 18:16:28 <Wolf01> it should be the same... 18:17:05 *** Sacro__ [~ben@150.237.48.99] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:17:22 <Rubidium> Wolf01: someone that knows some French, Spanish, German and English should be able to decipher Italian relatively easily... but deciphering Japanese/Chinese/Korean or Hungarian/Finnish is much more difficult 18:18:12 <Wolf01> yes, I agree, we have a common trunk, they are another branch of languages 18:19:01 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 18:19:50 <Rubidium> in any case... it's highly subjective which language is hardest 18:19:52 <Wolf01> __ln__: I suggest you to find a forum of your interest and start posting in it, the practice is the best way to learn a language 18:20:44 <Wolf01> that's how I learnt English, at least reading and writing it... 18:20:45 <__ln__> i've understood the native italian way is to join random irc channels and speak italian with mirc colors. would you recommend that approach? 18:21:03 <Wolf01> no, definitely not 18:21:31 <Wolf01> we ban that kind of people, they have their own channels to do that 18:22:00 <__ln__> yes, usually that approach results in a kickban within 15 seconds 18:23:17 <Belugas> mmh... not quite an autodidact, i fear... 18:23:23 <Belugas> feed me feed me!! 18:23:32 * Rubidium returns the cookie 18:23:38 <Wolf01> mmmh... I'm considering to plug in the XBox to the backup plug 18:23:55 <__ln__> Belugas: voilà la baguette 18:24:30 <Wolf01> I was in the middle of a combat when 30 seconds ago the light hopped 18:24:44 <Pikel> ok so why won't a train load when it' at a station? 18:26:00 <Wolf01> gah... not enough plugs 18:26:24 <Belugas> Pikel, you know that ALL yuor questions are answered easily in the wiki, don't you? 18:27:01 <Wolf01> does the wiki tells you there's a wiki? 18:27:37 <__ln__> *tell 18:27:47 <Belugas> general wiki might easily point to open's wiki indeed :) 18:27:48 <Wolf01> thanks 18:28:01 <Belugas> even Google can point to open's wiki 18:28:19 <Wolf01> mmmh, dinner time 18:38:33 <Terkhen> @ports 18:38:33 <DorpsGek> Terkhen: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service, a.k.a. BaNaNaS (outbound) 18:48:25 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.28.181.163] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:49:14 <Eddi|zuHause> <Wolf01> gah... not enough plugs <-- use a plug extension ;) 18:49:49 <Eddi|zuHause> but are power fluctuations that common at your place? 18:50:54 <Eddi|zuHause> they're fairly rare here ... unless someone triggers the circuit breaker... 18:53:53 <Wolf01> here we are used to 3KW/h @home, 4KW/h costs a lot more, and if you power 3 big electric devices at the same time you should know what happens 18:54:51 <Wolf01> and yes, we have a lot of power fluctuations, that's why I have the entire PC network plugged to some UPS 18:56:55 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:57:01 <__ln__> what kind of a unit is kW per hour... 18:57:29 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe he meant kWh/h ;) 18:57:52 <Wolf01> or directly kWh 18:58:42 <Wolf01> I always mistake it and km/h or kmh 18:58:53 <__ln__> or just kW? 18:59:03 <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: i'm fairly sure you meant just kW 18:59:03 <Wolf01> no, kWh 18:59:44 <Eddi|zuHause> kW is to km/h like kWh is to km 19:00:09 <Eddi|zuHause> so kW is the "speed" at which the current comes, and "kWh" is the "distance" that you travelled 19:00:21 <Wolf01> we pay for how many hours we use a value of kW 19:00:36 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 19:00:43 <frosch123> many kW hurt your fuses, many kWh hurt your purse 19:00:59 <Eddi|zuHause> so you pay for how many "kWh" you used over the course of a year 19:01:00 <Wolf01> like "you used 2.5kW for 55 hours, 2.7kW for 22 hours and you exceeded 3.1kW for 15 minutes" 19:01:15 <Eddi|zuHause> but you may not use more than x "kW" at any single time 19:01:37 <Wolf01> we are capped to 3.3kW 19:01:56 <__ln__> 3.3kW per house? 19:02:02 <Wolf01> yes 19:02:05 <Eddi|zuHause> i have never heard of such a limit here... 19:02:08 <__ln__> wow that's low 19:02:27 <Eddi|zuHause> and surely we can have more than 3 computers running at the same time... 19:02:47 <frosch123> your computer needs 1kW? 19:03:00 <Eddi|zuHause> probably not ;) 19:03:09 <Prof_Frink> 1.21GW. 19:03:09 <Eddi|zuHause> but he said "three big devices"... 19:03:10 <Wolf01> and if we reach that limit they cut the power instantaneously, but we can use 3.2kW for 1 minute and 3.1kW for 10 minutes 19:03:48 *** Wibble199 [~Wibble199@client-86-23-40-6.brhm.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:04:11 <ctibor> Wolf01: You live in North Korea or where? :-) 19:04:12 <Wolf01> three big devices like: fridge, dishwashing machine, and the sum of 2 TV + 3 computers :D 19:04:37 <Wolf01> and the Xbox... 19:04:37 <__ln__> actually a fridge doesn't take much power, less than 100W 19:04:54 <Wolf01> but when it need to start it takes a peak 19:05:10 <Wolf01> and maybe at the same time starts the boiler too 19:05:11 <__ln__> that might be true.. 19:05:14 <Wibble199> fridges don't blow cold air onto food, they suck heat out of it 19:05:45 <__ln__> but indeed devices that use electricity to heat up water are the ones that eat most 19:06:41 <Wolf01> and in the exact same moment my mother clicks the button to light the gas for cooking! 19:07:15 <Wolf01> so we exceed about 10kW for a microsecond :D 19:07:36 <__ln__> unlikely, if you have fuses 19:07:51 <glx> the limit here is in Ampere 19:07:55 <Wolf01> we don't have fuses 19:08:30 *** Wibble199 [~Wibble199@client-86-23-40-6.brhm.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 19:08:43 <Wolf01> we use a sort of multimeter which is linked with the power distribution central, to take measurements by-wire 19:09:18 <Wolf01> that's why they know the exact ammount of power consumed 19:09:43 <glx> we pay for kWh consumed, but there's no limit, except max A 19:09:49 <__ln__> Wolf01: so if you short-circuit two wires, the wires in the walls melt, because no fuses? 19:10:09 <glx> for our house it's 2x15A, but most people have 1x30A 19:10:19 <Wolf01> no, we must have circuit breaking switches 19:10:47 <__ln__> glx: but that's a technical/physical and not economic limit? 19:10:50 <Wolf01> I use 2x6A if I'm not wrong 19:11:01 <Wolf01> no, 16A 19:12:03 <Wolf01> but only for the power line, the lights and other "light power" plugs should use 8A max 19:12:43 <Wolf01> that's in theory, because of security normatives 19:13:08 <Wolf01> but instead we always put on 2x16A 19:13:14 <glx> __ln__: IIRC 2x15A is cheaper than 30A, and it's possible to get more 19:13:50 <__ln__> i have 1x20A + 2x10A in my apartment (though the main fuse is probably only 25A per apartment)... and this is low by today's standards. we'll get thicker wires in a few months in this building. 19:14:47 <glx> anyway we use 16A fuses ;) 19:15:38 <Wolf01> I'm waiting for a good offer to purchase some (some=5kW) solar panels... I know some people who already purchased them and they don't pay current at all, they sell it instead :D 19:15:45 <glx> so the main circuit breaker is triggered first 19:16:18 <glx> Wolf01: well you sell your production and pay for what you consume 19:16:44 <__ln__> 5 kW sounds like a lot of solar panels 19:17:03 <Wolf01> nah, 9 square meters 19:17:20 <Wolf01> almost half the roof 19:21:15 <Wolf01> the thing that sound nice is that the small neightbour's house roof is small as my car's shelter... we used the same roof modules to build the roof :D 19:24:09 <Wolf01> uhm, about shelters... what about the station's newgrf gui? There is any intention to do some effort to apply it to trunk? 19:25:44 * Rubidium seems to remember it not being updated to the new GUI "standard" 19:26:35 <Wolf01> that's why I asked 19:27:00 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-34-112.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:27:10 <Rubidium> and I rather get rid of the (relatively) huge amount of open bugs 19:27:26 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.218.212] has quit [Quit: Sacro] 19:28:57 <Eddi|zuHause> <glx> so the main circuit breaker is triggered first <-- that kinda doesn't make any sense... 19:29:06 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-116-92.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 19:29:09 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 19:29:17 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-177-246.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [] 19:29:41 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 19:30:38 <glx> washing machines, oven, ... are usually protected by 16A fuses 19:30:42 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has joined #openttd 19:31:04 <glx> but we have only 15A allowed at max 19:32:03 <glx> so if there's a shortcircuit in one of those, or just too many on at the same time, the main circuit breaker takes precedence 19:32:22 <__ln__> cooker/stove (containing oven) is usually protected by 25A or 20A in older installations here 19:32:24 <Eddi|zuHause> how silly... 19:34:57 <glx> but we have 2 phases, and we know how are "linked" the consumers, so the too much at same time usually doesn't happen 19:35:11 <glx> and recent devices consume way less too 19:36:13 *** phalax [~phalax@c213-100-73-226.swipnet.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:36:25 <Belugas> too bad my wife is not a recent device :( 19:36:59 *** phalax [~phalax@c213-100-73-226.swipnet.se] has joined #openttd 19:38:16 *** waterfoul [979f6d2c@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 19:38:25 <waterfoul> is there some kind of ruler? 19:38:49 <Wolf01> eh? 19:39:16 <Wolf01> |----'----|----'----|----'----| <- this one? 19:39:22 <waterfoul> a ruler to find out the distance inbetween towns 19:39:35 <Wolf01> aaaaah 19:39:59 <Wolf01> ok, but the first thing to say is, usually, "hello" :P 19:40:16 <Wolf01> yes, there is one 19:40:23 <waterfoul> sorry :D I was just distracted 19:40:28 <glx> not really what he wants Wolf01 19:40:34 <Rubidium> road/rail/removal tools can have a tooltip which tells stuff about area/length/height 19:41:03 <Rubidium> although those don't quite work over non-straight lines 19:41:38 <Eddi|zuHause> the level land tool can measure two directions, just add those up ;) 19:41:39 <Wolf01> next feature: manhattan distance ruler which works like the Google Maps ruler 19:42:18 <Eddi|zuHause> just make sure you hold shift or press escape before letting go of the mouse button ;) 19:42:38 <Wolf01> to do what, I don't know, but it's always useful like a screwdriver in the car 19:43:13 <waterfoul> Wolf01 actually that was what I was after 19:45:10 *** phalax [~phalax@c213-100-73-226.swipnet.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:46:53 *** phalax [~phalax@c213-100-73-226.swipnet.se] has joined #openttd 19:51:50 <glx> Wolf01: there are more useful things to have in a car, like jumper cable or drawbar 19:52:41 <Wolf01> ok, but don't look at me when you need a screwdriver 19:53:31 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-80-76.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:53:37 <Prof_Frink> glx: I dunno. The right sort of screwdriver... 19:54:36 <Eddi|zuHause> knowing Prof_Frink, that's probably a sonic one ;) 19:54:51 <Prof_Frink> Quite. 19:54:55 <Rubidium> the green or the blue one? 19:55:08 <Prof_Frink> Blue with red settings. 19:55:37 <Eddi|zuHause> :) 19:55:53 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe390.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:58:26 *** phalax [~phalax@c213-100-73-226.swipnet.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:09:44 *** DX_Ipad [Dreamxtrem@92.6.193.48] has joined #openttd 20:10:02 *** DX_Ipad [Dreamxtrem@92.6.193.48] has quit [] 20:11:56 *** DX_Ipad [Dreamxtrem@92.6.193.48] has joined #openttd 20:12:05 *** Xrufuian [~Xrufuian@pool-98-119-100-47.lsanca.btas.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 20:13:08 *** phalax [~phalax@c213-100-73-226.swipnet.se] has joined #openttd 20:14:19 <waterfoul> anyone here understand the equation on this page? http://wiki.openttd.org/Cargo_income 20:16:21 <waterfoul> the problem I am having is with the max thing... I figured out that max just takes the maximum value but what is the 31,{ thing 20:16:45 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@92.2.161.163] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:17:43 <Hirundo> it takes either 31 or {...}, whichever is bigger 20:17:47 <Yexo> the result of max(A, B) is A if A is higher then B, otherwise B 20:17:57 <Rubidium> the 31 is just a value, the { can be seen as a "choice"; one of the three formulae listed there should be executed. The preconditions for that are in the "second" column. 20:18:00 <Yexo> in this case A=31 and B=that other description 20:19:36 *** phalax [~phalax@c213-100-73-226.swipnet.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:20:50 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20038 /trunk/src/openttd.cpp: -Change: move SafeSaveOrLoad a bit 20:22:58 <Eddi|zuHause> that message is kinda difficult to parse 20:24:33 <Rubidium> how is it difficult? 20:24:49 *** phalax [~phalax@c213-100-73-226.swipnet.se] has joined #openttd 20:24:55 <Rubidium> move $X $amount 20:26:13 <Eddi|zuHause> first stumbling point was "Safe" and "Save" 20:26:45 <Eddi|zuHause> and from that on, i was probably out of my usual reading pace 20:28:40 *** DX_Ipad [Dreamxtrem@92.6.193.48] has quit [Quit: Never look down on someone unless you're helping them up.] 20:28:49 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@92.6.193.48] has joined #openttd 20:31:48 <waterfoul> roughly how many squares is a KM or MI 20:31:58 *** Yexo [~Yexo@183-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:32:28 <Rubidium> waterfoul: as many/few as you want 20:32:37 *** Yexo [~Yexo@183-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 20:32:44 <Alberth> there is no consistent idea of size of a tile 20:32:59 <glx> depends on the object ;) 20:33:12 * Yexo has just seen a windows blue screen :( 20:33:14 <Rubidium> waterfoul: anywhere between some 5-10 meter a tile up to almost 700 kilometer per tile can be considered correct 20:33:42 * Rubidium wonders whether his "create a blue screen" trick still works 20:33:46 <waterfoul> I am trying to check my math with http://wiki.openttd.org/Cargo_income and he gives v in KM/Hr and tiles for distance... 20:33:53 <Rubidium> in Windows 7 20:34:05 <Rubidium> waterfoul: km/h as in vehicle speed 20:34:22 <waterfoul> I figured but then what is d in km? 20:34:28 <Rubidium> and in that case the ~700 km per tile is the closest 20:36:57 <Alberth> usually distance is simply tile count 20:37:40 <waterfoul> I'm trying to get t out of the km/hr value... 20:38:40 <Rubidium> waterfoul: http://wiki.openttd.org/Game_mechanics#Vehicle_speeds 20:38:54 <waterfoul> btw does anyone know anything about maple 20:39:03 <Rubidium> but to determine t you need at least v and d 20:39:17 <waterfoul> right 20:39:22 <Rubidium> waterfoul: yeah, it's a cool command line tool for math 20:39:43 <waterfoul> I can't figure out how to add the conditional piece to my equation 20:40:50 *** phalax [~phalax@c213-100-73-226.swipnet.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:41:12 <Rubidium> waterfoul: my doorstop says piecewise 20:41:21 *** Xrufuian [~Xrufuian@pool-98-119-100-47.lsanca.btas.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: um...] 20:41:38 <waterfoul> thanks 20:42:47 <Wolf01> vitriolic destroyer FTW!!!1 20:53:19 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: a1270] 20:54:52 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:55:20 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 21:00:00 <waterfoul> so if I'm reading this right I need to take x km/hr multiply it times 1 tile / 686 km then multiply by tiles then convert the 1/hr into days. Once I have that I divide by 2.5 21:00:15 <waterfoul> yes/no> 21:00:17 <waterfoul> ? 21:03:32 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:03:34 *** phalax [~phalax@c213-100-72-128.swipnet.se] has joined #openttd 21:03:53 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FE09.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:04:45 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-8-147.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:04:45 *** Sacro is now known as Guest1669 21:04:46 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-8-147.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:04:48 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-8-147.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 21:05:18 *** Guest1669 [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-8-147.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 21:05:31 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-8-147.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:06:07 <andythenorth> evening 21:06:36 *** phalax [~phalax@c213-100-72-128.swipnet.se] has quit [] 21:07:32 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FE09.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:07:49 <Rubidium> ohai andy 21:08:26 <waterfoul> hmmm i have something wrong 21:08:28 *** tdev_brb [~udev@p508EFADE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:11:13 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-25-5-181.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 21:27:13 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 21:37:55 <waterfoul> WOOT I WIN! 21:39:06 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20039 /trunk/src/openttd.cpp: (log message trimmed) 21:39:06 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: -Fix [FS#3907]: instead of loading the intro game when loading a savegame fails on the dedicated server, generate a new game. 21:39:06 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: Generating a new game is the least bad solution: 21:39:06 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: * loading the intro game: desyncs due to GM_MENU on the server and GM_NORMAL on the clients, NewGRFs not being loaded on the server but being loaded on the client; 21:39:08 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: * creating an empty map: OpenTTD will go crazy due to missing towns. Also clients can't properly join because of the missing towns; 21:39:08 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: * loading the last saved game: doesn't always exist and loading it might fail causing an infinite loop; 21:39:10 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: * stopping being a server: breaks the dedicated server horribly; if you loaded the game via rcon you can't connect with it anymore as you can't join the server; 21:41:03 *** DX_Ipad [Dreamxtrem@92.6.193.48] has joined #openttd 21:43:28 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has joined #openttd 21:48:21 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@92.6.193.48] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:50:41 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@ip-116-136-106-77.eidsiva.net] has joined #openttd 21:53:47 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:56:37 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@77.106.156.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:56:47 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... there are apparently things that are not in the internet... 21:57:13 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@92.0.126.109] has joined #openttd 21:58:06 *** DX_Ipad [Dreamxtrem@92.6.193.48] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:59:21 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@88.130.173.197] has joined #openttd 21:59:41 *** lasershock [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:02:52 *** lasershk [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 22:06:14 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 22:08:02 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 22:08:06 <Wolf01> 'night 22:08:13 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host226-233-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:11:22 *** Fast2_ [~Fast2@p57AF84EB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:11:31 <tdev_brb> hi all 22:11:34 *** tdev_brb is now known as tdev 22:11:47 <tdev> does someone know a good online meeting / screen casting software 22:11:56 <tdev> thats for free for non-comm. usage? 22:18:05 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20040 /trunk/src/ (screenshot.cpp screenshot.h): -Codechange: some coding style + using proper types 22:18:11 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF84EB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:25:15 *** snorre [~snorre@c692BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:32:27 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D9C71.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... Der, der blÀht, als hinterster geht!] 22:39:04 *** Anja_S [~chatzilla@ti0010a380-3761.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]] 22:40:55 *** Netsplit reticulum.oftc.net <-> galapagos.oftc.net quits: Mazur, Vitus, devilsadvocate, Wizzleby, __ln__, eQualizer, ctibor, Fast2_, @DorpsGek, ccfreak2k, (+2 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 22:42:13 *** Netsplit over, joins: Fast2_, Vitus, devilsadvocate, Mazur, Jhs, Wizzleby, ctibor, eQualizer, @DorpsGek, ccfreak2k (+2 more) 22:44:08 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-6-136-106-77.eidsiva.net] has joined #openttd 22:47:18 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [] 22:50:08 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@ip-116-136-106-77.eidsiva.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:52:10 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:56:43 *** tdev [~udev@p508EFADE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: free open source vehicle simulator: http://rigsofrods.com] 23:03:20 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FE09.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Progman] 23:03:21 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:08:09 *** zodttd_work [~zodttd@nsc69.38.122-130.newsouth.net] has joined #openttd 23:17:44 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has left #openttd [] 23:17:44 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 23:18:15 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: more listen, more understand, more know] 23:28:13 *** kamnet [4cb15f41@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 23:28:31 <kamnet> Good evening, anybody home? 23:29:02 *** Fast2_ [~Fast2@p57AF84EB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:32:50 <Rubidium> kamnet: no 23:37:34 <Rubidium> zodttd_work: you are aware of Apple's developer program license agreement doesn't allow interpreted code, right? That would mean that both AIs and NewGRFs are not allowed (they both have interpreted code) and in effect OpenTTD is unuseable as some 10% of OpenTTD's base graphics come from a NewGRF. Examples of base graphics are coming from that NewGRF are: many pieces of the GUI, canals, pre/exit/combo/path signals, etc. 23:38:52 <zodttd_work> It's not interpreted binary code, like emulation though, correct? That is what that rule is targetting, emulation. 23:39:28 <Rubidium> zodttd_work: I won't send Apple an email about this as it's not infringing on my rights whatsoever (although they could've found it quite easily by reading the readme) 23:40:07 <Rubidium> zodttd_work: I'd say that NewGRFs is interpreting binary code and technically AIs are interpreted binary code, although that's compiled upon load 23:40:13 <zodttd_work> Rubidium: I appreciate that. I don't think that's the type of interpreter they're targetting though. They allow XML interpreters for instance, but not CPU interpreters. 23:40:54 <zodttd_work> Basically their way of stopping video game console / computer emulation 23:41:41 <Eddi|zuHause> no, i'm not at home... why would anybody come to that conclusion? :p 23:42:13 <zodttd_work> Rubidium: I have had tons of work to do. I am planning an update to OpenTTD for iPad. Is there some specifics you'd like to see in the update? I'll take good care to get them done. 23:44:56 <Rubidium> zodttd_work: "No interpreted code may be downloaded or used in an Application except for code that is interpreted and run by Apple's Documented APIs and built-in interpreter(s)." 23:45:25 <Rubidium> ofcourse... what is interpreting, but if flash is interpreted then NewGRFs would be as well 23:45:53 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause is not at home. Eddi|zuHause is zu Hause. 23:46:05 <zodttd_work> Right, it gets to be a grey area since a lot of people download XML and use inhouse XML parsers for instance 23:46:32 <glx> like rss readers? 23:46:35 <zodttd_work> The code you interpret here doesnt get executed 23:46:36 <zodttd_work> right 23:47:13 <zodttd_work> For instance Apple wont allow you to download executable bytecode, interpret it, and execute it. 23:47:20 <fjb> Apple got insane. 23:47:28 <Rubidium> zodttd_work: well... you could close the whole "blame OpenTTD for enforcing GPL" stuff, but I don't see anything pertinent that needs to be changed in Apple ports 23:47:43 <zodttd_work> Will definitely do so 23:47:46 <zodttd_work> Ok 23:48:30 <Rubidium> fjb: s/got/has been/;s/\.$/ for ages./ 23:48:56 <zodttd_work> At a meetup.com local iPhone developer meeting at the moment. When I get back I will update the site and clear lots of stuff up. 23:49:33 <fjb> But they get worse than Microsoft with their user control now. 23:50:43 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-25-5-181.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:51:12 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:51:21 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.23.6.194] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2] 23:51:32 <Rubidium> zodttd_work: what is executing? If flash is interpreted and it's used to control some graphics based on some state, then it's the same as NewGRFs; they also control some graphics based on state. Yes, you can actually code stuff in NewGRF. Maybe not as sophisticated as in flash, but still you can make all kinds of decisions, perform math and change state 23:52:38 <glx> especially ECS vectors can be worse than flash with cpu usage ;) 23:52:39 <kamnet> ZOMG YES! I've made my first NewGRF! I'm excited. :-) 23:52:43 <zodttd_work> Flash was being interpreted from one bytecode to another and then executed, for performance reasons from what Im aware of. 23:53:59 <zodttd_work> Thats why they went the route of compile time Flash in CS5 23:54:10 <zodttd_work> Which Apple went after as well :P 23:56:06 <kamnet> Just curious, does anybody know if you can make station tiles animate based on the month the game is in? 23:57:09 *** waterfoul [979f6d2c@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 23:57:21 <Rubidium> kamnet: I think you can, modulo 256 ticks or something 23:58:31 <kamnet> Very cool. I might have to look into that sometime. I know this might sound crazy but I'm going to make a station tile set for farms. Would be nice if I could have the field tiles change as the months go along to simulate the in-game action.