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00:00:10 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 00:00:39 <Rubidium> oh... Apple has changed that passage I quoted again... 00:01:06 <Rubidium> although... you still need to ask Apple's written consent 00:01:25 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@88.130.173.197] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:02:43 <Rubidium> see http://www.appleoutsider.com/2010/06/10/hello-lua/ 00:03:12 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@77.106.152.233] has joined #openttd 00:03:44 <kamnet> Now all I need to do is to dig into the intricacies of NFO to make my NewGRF station display all pretty-like 00:04:39 <kamnet> And I should ask, since Rubidium is here - I want to use some of the tiles out of OpenGFX. What do I need to do to give proper credit? 00:05:38 <Rubidium> start by reading (and understanding) the license of OpenGFX 00:06:42 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-6-136-106-77.eidsiva.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:07:27 <Rubidium> but at least it means making your NewGRF GPLv2 licensed 00:08:54 <kamnet> Right, I knew that was a given. 00:09:59 <kamnet> inclufing the GPLv2 license along with a copy of the pcx and nfo file. 00:12:12 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-116-92.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:14:07 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-75-115.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 00:14:10 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 00:15:55 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 00:15:56 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g228085194.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 00:16:51 <fjb> Good night. 00:16:56 <kamnet> goodnight 00:17:41 *** fjb [~frank@p5485E14F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:18:56 *** zodttd_work [~zodttd@nsc69.38.122-130.newsouth.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:22:03 *** Goulpy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 00:22:04 *** Priski [priski@ihq.in] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:22:53 *** Priski [priski@ihq.in] has joined #openttd 00:26:58 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-80-76.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:28:09 *** waterfoul [186f87aa@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 00:28:53 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:30:18 <waterfoul> anyone know the the units on the Income equation is? 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06:34:39 <planetmaker> good morning 06:34:54 <Rubidium> ehlo 06:36:50 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 06:37:20 *** DJNekkid is now known as DJNekkd_NL 06:47:46 *** tdev [~udev@p508EF7B6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:58:06 <Mazur> 220 HELLO Mazur English WetwareLingua ?.??.??; Thu, 1 Jul 2010 08:56:31 +0200 06:58:44 <Mazur> 220 Mazur Hello Rubidium, pleased to meet you. 06:59:03 <Mazur> 250 Dutch 06:59:07 <Mazur> 250 English 06:59:17 <Mazur> 250 German 06:59:21 <Mazur> 250 French 06:59:51 <planetmaker> woot? 07:00:11 <Mazur> ;-) 07:00:20 <Mazur> Morning, pm/ 07:00:29 <planetmaker> moin Mazur 07:00:32 <Rubidium> planetmaker: you don't understand it? 07:00:43 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77E9C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:00:45 <planetmaker> it's talking directly smtp 07:00:51 <planetmaker> telnet to it 07:01:18 <planetmaker> or something like that... but I don't talk that when I haven't had enough tea 07:01:21 <planetmaker> ;-) 07:01:23 <Rubidium> planetmaker: he's replying to my EHLO 07:01:31 <Rubidium> as if he's the server 07:01:37 <planetmaker> yes, I realized ... to late :-) 07:01:45 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77E9C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:01:45 *** Pikel_ [xaero@juggernaut.ircwire.net] has joined #openttd 07:02:01 <Rubidium> QUIT 07:02:06 <planetmaker> :-( 07:02:15 <SirSquidness> you forgot a / 07:02:15 <Rubidium> testing whether it complies :) 07:02:16 <SirSquidness> >.> 07:02:16 <SirSquidness> <.< 07:02:20 <planetmaker> now he has to least :-P 07:02:26 <planetmaker> *leave 07:02:30 <SpComb> let's see, so it took him 13 minutes to look up the protocol spec? 07:02:31 <planetmaker> gah 07:02:32 <Mazur> 221 2.0.0 Mazur closing connection 07:05:43 <Mazur> Ah, the days... when we'd telnet to port 25 to test a new sendmail config. 07:06:25 *** Pikel [xaero@juggernaut.ircwire.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:06:50 <Mazur> xyzzy 07:06:55 <planetmaker> :-) 07:06:59 * Rubidium is amazed MS still dares to ship only a telnet server with Windows 07:07:47 * planetmaker is rather annoyed that for all basic networking connectivity one has to first have to consult the i-net for appropriate downloads. 07:08:16 <planetmaker> and me agreeds: shipping a simple ssh / scp shouldn't be really hard 07:11:09 * Mazur is amazed MS still dares to ship anything at all. 07:11:35 <Mazur> But of course, as long as people are happy to pay for (sh)it.... 07:11:49 <Rubidium> well... it has become better at some points... it doesn't BSOD anymore when winlogon is killed 07:12:15 <Mazur> They probably just removed the BSOD itself. 07:12:41 <Rubidium> on the other hand... 7 feels a lot slower than XP 07:12:55 <planetmaker> Mazur: it clearly isn't shit. It works. For many people 07:13:05 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:13:24 <planetmaker> And in business as usual it's not about the best solution but only about the best solution for a given amount of money 07:15:39 <Rubidium> planetmaker: I recko 99% is like the "customer" in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg 07:18:42 <planetmaker> hahaha :-) 07:20:26 *** Peping [~Peping110@fw3.khfree.net] has joined #openttd 07:21:43 <Peping> hello.. May I suggest to somebody to create a summer openTTD server that would be on for next 2 months? 07:21:44 <Peping> :) 07:22:11 <planetmaker> it'd be build in like two days and then would require restart 07:22:15 <planetmaker> and hello 07:22:37 <planetmaker> build as in everything was connected on the map and all company slots taken 07:23:46 <Peping> depends on whether you make it private or public ;) 07:25:56 <planetmaker> why would you go here and request that I make a private servery YOU cannot join? 07:26:05 <Rubidium> what isn't okay with the 200+ servers that already exist? 07:26:07 <planetmaker> or why would I make a server which is private to you and me only? 07:26:38 <planetmaker> especially as we have at least two servers running all the time... :-) 07:26:47 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FE59.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:33:02 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host226-233-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 07:33:20 <Wolf01> hello :O 07:33:35 <planetmaker> hi Wolf01 07:35:17 *** Peping [~Peping110@fw3.khfree.net] has left #openttd [] 07:36:05 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 07:52:57 <Wolf01> omfg I just found a vb6 module all coded in spaghetti style... only one public function and a lot of gotos 07:55:05 <Rubidium> an Italian that doesn't like spaghetti... 07:59:06 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 08:05:13 *** tdev [~udev@p508EF7B6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: free open source vehicle simulator: http://rigsofrods.com] 08:22:36 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 08:24:54 <peter1138> Wolf01, isn't that how vb6 is done? :p 08:25:23 <Wolf01> I use it only for the error handler in routines :P 08:37:29 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FC5D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:43:54 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-131-054.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:45:00 *** waterfoul [186f87aa@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 08:45:50 <fjb> Moin 08:50:05 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-38-58.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 08:53:50 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8dcfb.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 09:03:02 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-25-5-181.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 09:03:23 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-25-5-181.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 09:15:13 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:20:26 <planetmaker> peter1138: with railtypes: can I already supply 10 overlay sprites for bridges (making it really future-proof) or would it choke on it? And what's the order of sprites? Like the overlays? 09:20:53 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-131-054.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 09:22:53 <peter1138> you can supply them, but they won't be used 09:28:20 <planetmaker> well. That's good enough :-) Thanks 09:28:43 <planetmaker> So it'll be fine, if I just give as bridge sprites the same as the usual ground overlay sprites, yes? 09:30:05 <planetmaker> *someone* really should make a new bridge set :-) - like TTRS 2.0 or so 09:35:14 <planetmaker> hm, no. Order of sprites is different :S 09:59:13 *** Sacro is now known as Guest1746 09:59:14 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-94-213.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 10:05:11 *** Guest1746 [~ben@adsl-87-102-38-58.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:05:51 *** Sacro is now known as Guest1747 10:05:51 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-94-213.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 10:06:34 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226215031.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:07:15 *** heffer_ [~felix@mue-88-130-118-101.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #openttd 10:08:26 <Ammler> planetmaker: already claimed your next projects? ;-) 10:08:34 <peter1138> http://images.pistonheads.com/nimg/22148/tn_300610cummins-L.jpg 10:08:59 <planetmaker> ;-) 10:10:59 *** Sacro is now known as Guest1748 10:11:00 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-115-246.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 10:12:09 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.23.6.194] has joined #openttd 10:12:17 *** Guest1747 [~ben@adsl-87-102-94-213.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:14:47 *** heffer [~felix@mue-88-130-93-243.dsl.tropolys.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:16:37 <planetmaker> Ammler: now that OpenTTD has the srpite alignment tool and that there's NML it's a task which became MUCH easier 10:16:49 *** ajmiles3 [~aj@137.205.17.96] has joined #openttd 10:16:53 *** Guest1748 [~ben@adsl-87-102-94-213.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:19:36 <planetmaker> yes, strike! :-) Snowy tracks on bridges :-) 10:22:10 <planetmaker> I should have tried it before :-) 10:22:16 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-115-246.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Sacro] 10:24:03 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-77-86-115-246.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 10:24:08 *** ajmiles2 [~aj@137.205.17.96] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:27:14 <welshdragon> planetmaker: nice feature :P 10:27:35 <planetmaker> I actually do believe so, yes :-) 10:28:52 <peter1138> hm 10:30:01 *** Sacro1 [~Sacro@adsl-77-86-102-50.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 10:31:00 <planetmaker> welshdragon: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=46756&p=886974#p886974 10:31:11 <planetmaker> ^ I'm not aware of any other newgrf supplying this feature so far 10:32:33 <Yexo> why are there swedishrails on the bridges above the snowline but not on that bridge below? 10:32:54 <planetmaker> there are SE rails also on the bridge below 10:33:10 <planetmaker> but the underlay by the bridges is quite dark 10:33:33 <planetmaker> I don't supply gravel on bridges, just tracks and sleepers 10:33:38 <planetmaker> that's the colour contrast 10:35:04 <planetmaker> actually it's the SE tracks drawn on top of the default ones... so on a few pixels they will probably still shine through 10:35:51 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-77-86-115-246.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:35:51 <Yexo> there is only snow on the bridge if there is snow on the tile below it 10:36:07 <Yexo> a high bridge spanning a valley can have snow on some parts and no snow on others 10:36:07 <planetmaker> :-O 10:36:20 <planetmaker> :-) interesting... 10:36:28 <planetmaker> I didn't test that yet 10:36:51 <planetmaker> hm... there's no way around that, I guess - except if I disable snow at all on bridges 10:36:55 <planetmaker> which would be worse IMHO 10:37:52 <planetmaker> but of course: when you have high bridges there's a fierce wind and it blows away all snow on it ;-) 10:39:21 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has left #openttd [] 10:40:15 <planetmaker> snow yes/no is currently decided by the tiletype - which of course depends upon the tile height - not the height the bridge is spanning it at 10:40:38 <Yexo> terrain type doesn't make sense for bridges at all 10:40:42 <Yexo> apart from snow/no snow 10:40:56 <planetmaker> well. That's the only thing I test concerning terrain type anyway. 10:41:11 <planetmaker> In all other cases except snow, the usual tracks and underlay are used. 10:41:58 <planetmaker> but terrain type could make a difference for bridges, if you conser pylons 10:42:02 <planetmaker> *consider 10:42:10 <planetmaker> but... that's stretching the limits 10:42:25 <Yexo> that is for bridges, not for the tracks upon the bridge 10:42:37 <planetmaker> yep 10:55:48 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 10:55:50 <Eddi|zuHause> my rule is: only provide the variables, let the grf authors figure out how to abuse them ;) 10:57:46 *** Sacro1 [~Sacro@adsl-77-86-102-50.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:57:58 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-77-86-102-50.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 10:59:05 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: but each variable means processing power, if used. And it makes sense to provide the more useful variables first than providing a bunch of more or less useful ones, only 11:04:03 <Eddi|zuHause> but if the variable is not used, it does not hurt anybody... 11:04:12 <Eddi|zuHause> it just eats marginal amounts of code size 11:04:59 <planetmaker> which can break and which need maintenance. 11:05:06 <planetmaker> +s 11:05:21 <Noldo_> are there regression tests for newgrf features? 11:05:35 <Yexo> no 11:05:40 <Eddi|zuHause> not that i know of 11:21:35 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B76FD0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:21:51 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-98-95.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:22:47 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77E9C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:24:05 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-25-172.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 11:24:08 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 11:25:41 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has joined #openttd 11:35:01 *** Ammler [~ammler@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:35:01 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 11:35:02 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:39:32 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 11:40:03 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host226-233-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:41:31 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 11:42:31 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 11:43:26 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 11:43:38 *** Ammller [~ammler@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 11:43:56 *** Ammller is now known as Ammler 12:05:22 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 12:05:32 * andythenorth kind of likes Supermop's suggestion on fuel 12:05:32 <andythenorth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=41607&start=1580 12:08:32 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host3-234-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 12:12:43 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 12:20:18 *** Kovensky [~kovensky@abraxo.bluebottle.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:25:15 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c84a:e12b:c3cd:d764] has joined #openttd 12:25:18 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:28:15 *** Kovensky [~kovensky@abraxo.bluebottle.net.au] has joined #openttd 12:30:08 <welshdragon> andythenorth: that's a cool idea too 12:30:21 <welshdragon> it makes the game more 'realistic' 12:31:11 <welshdragon> if you forgot to deliver 'fuel' to your depot then the vehicle could just stop with the message saying 'out of fuel' 12:33:08 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: the "lower running cost" thing was also once suggested as a use for electricity 12:33:27 <andythenorth> I don't like it if it has severe consequences 12:33:38 <andythenorth> I do like it if it adds a little something :) 12:49:50 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-25-172.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:52:04 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-105-224.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 12:52:07 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 13:02:15 <ccfreak2k> What IS ECS anyway? 13:03:04 <ccfreak2k> And FIRS. 13:03:39 <andythenorth> FIRS is the FIRS Industry Replacement Set 13:08:06 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 13:16:29 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has left #openttd [] 13:20:30 <Eddi|zuHause> the thunder rolls... 13:23:05 <planetmaker> we had a nice thunderstorm last night... 13:27:22 *** tdev [~udev@p57B7FFB2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:27:37 <PeterT> hey tdev :) 13:27:46 <PeterT> I see you added tons of features to openttd-python 13:27:53 <PeterT> that's pretty cool :) 13:28:39 <tdev> hey PeterT :) 13:28:48 <tdev> good to see someone likes it ;) 13:29:00 <PeterT> yeah, but the idle announce should be configurable 13:29:06 <PeterT> that might get annoying if players go afk 13:30:17 <Ammler> tdev: did you add the pyottdirc? 13:30:58 <tdev> Ammler: yup, thanks :) 13:31:13 <tdev> will try to integrate that later :) 13:31:33 <Ammler> so you didn't add it :-P 13:32:43 <ccfreak2k> I find it interesting that the Foster MkII Superbus goes screaming through quiet residential neighborhoods at 79 miles per hour. 13:33:08 <Ammler> ccfreak2k: there is a patch for that 13:33:13 <ccfreak2k> (127 KPH) 13:34:47 *** sunkan [~Tarquin@90-224-108-233-no110.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:35:05 <tdev> Ammler: finding time to work on something is currently my biggest problem ;) 13:35:13 <tdev> didnt look too complicated 13:35:52 <Ammler> tdev: with a kind of plugin system and possiblity to restart openttd, it could replace AP+ 13:35:56 <tdev> will end up most likely as plugin for the bot 13:36:12 <Ammler> which bot? 13:36:55 <tdev> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=49042 13:37:02 <tdev> 236 views, no post x| 13:38:09 <Rubidium> more views and no extra posts... so posting it here actually made it worse 13:38:11 <Ammler> hmm, but pyottdirc would make the bot obsolete? 13:39:07 <peter1138> tdev, because it's "tldr" 13:39:44 <tdev> Ammler: maybe optional and/or optional 13:40:46 <tdev> peter1138: ;) 13:53:03 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D9D62.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:56:04 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 14:07:59 *** tdev [~udev@p57B7FFB2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: free open source vehicle simulator: http://rigsofrods.com] 14:37:00 *** Netsplit reticulum.oftc.net <-> galapagos.oftc.net quits: Mazur, @DorpsGek, blathijs, eQualizer, JVassie, ccfreak2k, Ammler, Progman, ctibor, Wizzleby, (+3 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 14:37:33 *** Netsplit over, joins: Ammler, JVassie, Progman, devilsadvocate, Mazur, Jhs, Wizzleby, ctibor, eQualizer, @DorpsGek (+3 more) 14:57:45 *** lasershk is now known as lasershock 15:03:41 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@89.246.171.67] has joined #openttd 15:15:51 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF863D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:32:18 <welshdragon> is there a console command to remove all vehicles from a company? 15:37:27 *** Rolvaag [~izual@93.25.38.115] has joined #openttd 15:38:56 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: a1270] 15:46:05 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think so... 15:48:36 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 15:48:54 <Rolvaag> Hello 15:49:03 <planetmaker> hello Rolvaag 15:49:24 <Rolvaag> I'm quite a beginner in oTTD, and I just wanted to know if the little subsidies offers etc. were worth it (at the beginning and later) 15:49:57 <welshdragon> yes 15:50:00 <planetmaker> no 15:50:02 <planetmaker> :-P 15:50:08 <welshdragon> they help your income 15:50:13 <Rolvaag> (like "build a bus track this town and this town to get a year subsidie") 15:50:18 <Rolvaag> between* 15:50:24 <Rolvaag> Har, so yes or no ? :p 15:50:27 <welshdragon> Eddi|zuHause: meh, i thought there was... 15:50:44 <planetmaker> Rolvaag: if you anyway planned to build there, then it might be interesting to grab it 15:50:46 <welshdragon> Looks like I'm going to have to do it the long winded way :P 15:51:06 <planetmaker> But usually... money is not much of an issue mostly anyway 15:51:08 <Eddi|zuHause> welshdragon: you can send all vehicles to depot from the vehicle list 15:51:09 <Mazur> It's peanuts compared to getting up a real money maker, like a coal well or oil mine. 15:51:11 <Rolvaag> no, I was just wondering if everyone was rushing on these offers or not :p 15:51:11 <welshdragon> Rolvaag: yes, as it helps you get the edge over your competitor 15:51:19 <Eddi|zuHause> and then sell all vehicles in each depot 15:51:25 <welshdragon> Eddi|zuHause: yeah, i know :P 15:52:03 <planetmaker> welshdragon: I strongly doubt a subsidy will ever help you get the edge, if you spend the time planning / builing a more profitable route otherwise 15:52:06 <welshdragon> Rolvaag: in an online situation it's better to aim for subsidies 15:52:09 <Eddi|zuHause> i suppose if we had a squirrel interface, you could automate that... 15:52:10 <planetmaker> and that's quite often the case 15:52:17 <Rolvaag> okay, thanks welshdragon 15:52:22 <welshdragon> planetmaker: oh, it does 15:52:22 <Mazur> Hunting down subsidies distracts me from getting my network build in a manageable way. 15:52:26 <planetmaker> Rolvaag: I strongly disagree :-) 15:52:31 <Eddi|zuHause> but someone didn't want that... 15:52:50 <welshdragon> I always go for subsidies to start 15:52:50 <planetmaker> welshdragon: care to play a head2head game against me? 15:52:56 <welshdragon> then build a network afterwards 15:53:05 <welshdragon> planetmaker: when? 15:53:07 <planetmaker> I challange you that I win against you without using any subsidy 15:53:08 <Sacro> openttd \o/ 15:53:24 <Mazur> s/challange/challenge/ 15:53:52 <welshdragon> planetmaker: challenge accepted... although I'm aware t 15:54:06 <planetmaker> hm, Sunday? 15:54:07 <welshdragon> *that i'm lacking in experience 15:54:13 <welshdragon> can do 15:54:24 <planetmaker> good. European evening hours 15:54:25 <Rolvaag> Looks like I'm some kind of troublemaker :p 15:54:26 <planetmaker> ? 15:54:40 <planetmaker> how long shall the challange last (ingame years)? 15:54:45 <Mazur> s/challange/challenge/ 15:54:50 <Mazur> >;-) 15:54:51 <welshdragon> 100 years? 15:55:01 <planetmaker> welshdragon: that's 25 hours real 15:55:17 <welshdragon> hm 15:55:19 <welshdragon> true 15:55:32 * Yexo starts syncing h2h to trunk 15:55:42 <planetmaker> :-) Nice! 15:55:58 <welshdragon> planetmaker: 5 hours real time? 15:56:10 <planetmaker> uh... 5 hours. What about 3? 15:56:25 <planetmaker> Usually it becomes even obvious after 10 ... 15 game years 15:56:27 <welshdragon> ok 15:56:30 <welshdragon> :P 15:56:31 <planetmaker> which is 3 hours ;-) 15:56:35 <welshdragon> yeah 15:56:51 <planetmaker> ok... 19h CEST in #coopetition? 15:56:56 * Sacro will pwn noob asses 15:57:06 <welshdragon> yep 15:57:07 * planetmaker hasn't played for long either ;-) 15:57:12 <Ammler> oh 15:57:24 <Ammler> that sounds interesting :-) 15:57:26 <planetmaker> any other takers are actually welcome :-) 15:57:42 <planetmaker> h2h can be played by more than two people. Anyone else up to the challange? 15:57:48 <ccfreak2k> World recession! 15:58:03 <Sacro> what grfs? 15:58:07 <Ammler> in one hour? 15:58:18 <planetmaker> Ammler: Sunday 15:58:24 <Ammler> ah ok 15:58:27 <Mazur> FIRS, and Swedish? Then hou can write a nice article about them. 15:58:32 * fjb has already an appointment. :-( 15:58:35 <Ammler> and what is the prize for the winner? 15:58:35 <Sacro> UKRS :P 15:58:50 <planetmaker> I don't really care. But Swedish Rails ;-) 15:58:51 <Mazur> A kiss from me. 15:58:57 <Mazur> :-P 15:58:57 <fjb> A cake from planetmaker. 15:59:06 <planetmaker> ha! I should *win* one! 16:02:33 <planetmaker> Rolvaag: obviously you see from our reaction: opinions and playing style can differ :-) 16:02:36 <Ammler> oh, head-2-head branch is still up2date :-o 16:02:51 <planetmaker> try out yourself what suits you best and what you like more 16:02:59 <planetmaker> Make it possibly depend upon the circumstances 16:03:12 <planetmaker> Ammler: still? Yexo just update(s/d) 16:03:39 <Ammler> well last commit is r19600-something 16:03:55 <Ammler> that is quite recent 16:04:06 <planetmaker> :-) 16:05:19 <planetmaker> Rolvaag: and giving rise to one of the seldom true competition games could IMHO be hardly called "troublemaking" ;-) 16:05:44 <planetmaker> It will be a true challange... I haven't really played competitive for... ages. 16:06:35 *** heffer_ [~felix@mue-88-130-118-101.dsl.tropolys.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:07:54 <Rolvaag> I hope you'll have fun, then :p 16:09:26 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe355.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:10:54 <planetmaker> Rolvaag: I'll have in any case :-) Whether I win or not 16:12:09 *** heffer [~felix@mue-88-130-118-101.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #openttd 16:13:48 <Ammler> heffer: does the fedora package builder have some public available logs? 16:14:30 <heffer> yes. second. 16:15:17 <Ammler> what gcc does Fedora13 use? 16:16:15 <Mazur> 4.4.3 and up 16:16:44 <Mazur> It seems. 16:16:59 <Ammler> and up? 16:17:05 <Mazur> 4.4.4 16:17:25 <Ammler> so no fedora with gcc 4.5 yet? 16:19:18 <Mazur> Dunno. 16:19:54 <Mazur> 12 hasn't got it, yet. 16:20:22 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:21:04 <welshdragon> sorry, had to go see what my mum wanted 16:21:28 <Mazur> Joentje. 16:21:28 <planetmaker> no worries :-) 16:21:49 <planetmaker> map size... like 256 x 512? 16:21:56 <welshdragon> yeah 16:21:59 <planetmaker> or 128 x 512? 16:22:14 <planetmaker> Then there's more space for others on the h2h map(s) - if someone else dares 16:22:16 <welshdragon> 128 :) 16:22:21 <planetmaker> oki :-) 16:22:27 <welshdragon> hehe 16:22:51 <Mazur> Smaller map is less subsidies, WD. 16:22:55 <planetmaker> any preferred train set? 16:23:09 <welshdragon> 2CC 16:23:16 <planetmaker> vehicles, I say, egrvts and heqs, ships. Ok, 2cctrainset then 16:23:17 <welshdragon> I'd say UKRS 16:23:22 <welshdragon> but that's unfair 16:23:42 <welshdragon> Mazur: i'll get them all then 16:23:53 <Ammler> why is UKRS unfair? 16:24:07 <Rubidium> Ammler: because you're Swiss? 16:24:10 <planetmaker> Ammler: it probably has a secret British code which I don't know ;-) 16:24:19 <Ammler> :-D 16:24:29 <Ammler> then we should use dbset :-P 16:24:34 <planetmaker> :-P 16:24:40 <Mazur> Runs twice as hard for companies for clients in the uk? 16:24:40 <welshdragon> it's because Ammler is from the continent 16:24:40 <planetmaker> nah, Bananas only 16:24:57 <welshdragon> and 2cc set has the most variety of trains 16:25:03 <welshdragon> (from all over europe) 16:25:06 <planetmaker> yup 16:25:15 <Ammler> well, we can load both and people can use the set they like 16:25:56 * Mazur is DUtch but hasn;t used a Dutch engine, yet. 16:26:12 <Ammler> there is also no useable swissset :-) 16:28:58 <Mazur> Mainly because there were engines with better speed and lower running costs. 16:29:37 <Mazur> And still some of my trropic lines were losing money. 16:29:40 <Mazur> :-D 16:30:03 <heffer> Ammler, http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/openttd/1.0.2/1.fc14/data/logs/x86_64/ 16:30:13 <heffer> or see http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=178809 16:32:42 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:32:45 <Ammler> heffer: suse 11.3 uses gcc 4.5 and therefor grfcodec and opengfx fails 16:33:11 <Ammler> well, what I guess, I liked to look on fedora to check 16:34:51 <Ammler> I see, fc14 still uses 4.4 16:36:54 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 16:44:29 <welshdragon> what file permissions do I need on a server in order to save a game using AP+? 16:44:47 <welshdragon> /save has permissions 775 16:47:03 <welshdragon> nvm 16:47:10 <welshdragon> fixed 16:47:33 <Rolvaag> Sorry to disturb, 16:47:53 <Rolvaag> what's the best setting for a passenger carriage train ? In each station, "Unload all and wait for any full load" ? 16:48:20 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:48:30 <Mazur> Depends on ho0w long it'd have to wait. 16:48:55 <Rolvaag> I'd like to try "Load if available" only but I can't chose it 16:49:07 <Mazur> If a village produces 1 passenger per month, it might take a while to load, hoilding up other traffic. 16:49:20 <glx> "Load if available" is "Load" 16:49:34 <Rolvaag> it's a small line between two 1.200 inhabitants town 16:49:40 <Rolvaag> Hah, okay glx. Thanks. 16:49:48 <Mazur> Click the order, and then unclick the load order, 16:50:21 <Rolvaag> "Unload and take cargo" is a wrong setting ? 16:50:48 <planetmaker> Rolvaag: 'unload' happens automatically, if the cargo is accepted 16:51:08 <planetmaker> preferably for passengers just give them the default 'goto XYZ' orders 16:51:11 <planetmaker> and you'll be fine 16:51:17 <Rolvaag> I see. Right, thanks. 16:52:48 <Rolvaag> Yes, it works now. 16:55:44 *** Luukland [~Luukland@s55917277.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:56:13 *** heffer [~felix@mue-88-130-118-101.dsl.tropolys.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 17:15:56 <planetmaker> hm, using rail types is so much more glitch - free than sprite replacement concerning tracks :-) 17:16:12 <welshdragon> hehe 17:16:38 <welshdragon> I'm waiting for the day when train sets recognise rail speed limits 17:17:01 <planetmaker> in what way? 17:17:07 <planetmaker> they already do... 17:17:10 <planetmaker> somewhat 17:17:48 <planetmaker> faster paths are preferred, if it could drive faster there. And runningcosts can be speed dependent 17:18:01 <welshdragon> hmm 17:18:10 <welshdragon> I've not experimanted 17:18:36 <welshdragon> is the Nutracks on Bananas fairly recent? 17:18:47 <planetmaker> dunno really 17:18:52 <planetmaker> but not overly old 17:19:10 <welshdragon> heh, I'll grab one of the nightlies later 17:19:17 * welshdragon goes to get tea 17:34:49 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B75B46.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:36:31 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:36:48 *** APTX_ [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 17:39:18 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76FD0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:42:07 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:52:35 *** Timitry_ [~Tim@p5DE8E251.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:52:46 *** Timitry_ [~Tim@p5DE8E251.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 17:53:17 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF863D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:57:07 <welshdragon> whoah 17:57:18 <welshdragon> so full of delicious Paella 17:57:41 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 17:59:02 <Eddi|zuHause> from villariba or villabajo? 17:59:54 * orudge wonders what http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=49073 is all about 18:01:00 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea... 18:02:33 <Eddi|zuHause> http://duschkumpane.org/index.php/yhiw 18:03:10 <Xaroth_> heh 18:03:13 * Xaroth_ downloads 18:04:50 <welshdragon> Eddi|zuHause: home made 18:05:30 <welshdragon> orudge: he's simply a n00b :P 18:05:44 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe355.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:06:07 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 18:07:37 <Terkhen> I did not know that commercial was shown in other countries :P 18:14:54 <Eddi|zuHause> Terkhen: wikipedia said it was developed for the spanish market, and later also shown in several european countries 18:15:12 <Eddi|zuHause> it's fairly well known in germany... 18:16:16 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 18:17:27 <Terkhen> yeah, it was very popular back then 18:20:45 <Ammler> orudge: in that case, it would make sense to delete or lock the account, else he might start editing posts 18:21:07 <Terkhen> or try to get banned on purpuse 18:21:26 <Ammler> I think, if someone specially ask for deleting, you should 18:22:39 *** Luukland [~Luukland@s55917277.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [] 18:23:00 <planetmaker> Ammler: of all postings? Doesn't make sense 18:23:05 <planetmaker> Closing the account? Yes. 18:23:50 <Rubidium> I doubt deleting is a good idea... maybe it's his annoyed brother 18:25:11 <planetmaker> deleting is somewhat against the purpose of a forum 18:25:21 <Ammler> of course only the account 18:25:26 <Ammler> not the posts made with the account 18:25:58 <planetmaker> lock then 18:26:05 <Ammler> he really posted his password 18:26:13 <Ammler> (changed it :-) 18:26:21 <planetmaker> :) 18:31:24 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@77.106.152.233] has quit [Quit: Forlater kanalen] 18:33:36 <orudge> we don't delete accounts, or posts 18:33:44 <orudge> we can disable them, but I don't quite see why that guy can't just... not visit 18:35:29 *** Lassie [~lassie@82-168-89-237.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 18:37:59 <Ammler> orudge: why not disable if he asks for, now he annouced his account password 18:40:13 <orudge> well 18:40:17 <orudge> I deactivated his account 18:40:26 <orudge> and somebody edited out his password anyway 18:41:17 <Ammler> me :-) 18:42:07 <Ammler> he, does your software save passwords in plain text :-o 18:43:58 <Ammler> hmm, is it possible to define only a part of a Action 5 Feature? 18:44:32 <Hirundo> only for some features (flags and openttd gui IIRC) 18:44:53 <Hirundo> what do you intend to do? 18:45:00 <Ammler> replace the title font 18:45:24 <Ammler> Action5 Feature 15 Sprite 12 and 13 18:45:29 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:46:55 <Hirundo> Yes, that's possible 18:48:06 <Hirundo> -1 * 0 05 95 12 + real sprites 18:52:25 *** ABCRic [~This.is.A@17.86.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 18:52:31 <Ammler> cool, thanks Hirundo 18:53:48 <welshdragon> Eddi|zuHause: resetengines is the command used to bring back all the trains via a console :P 18:54:11 <Eddi|zuHause> 1) why ask me? and 2) no 18:54:40 * andythenorth is still at work 18:55:24 <welshdragon> Eddi|zuHause: you were the one to tell me there isn't a command :P 18:56:07 <Eddi|zuHause> that's not what you asked 18:56:29 <welshdragon> it was 18:56:42 <welshdragon> you mis-interpreted it 18:56:58 <welshdragon> or i put it across wrongly 18:56:58 <welshdragon> meh 18:59:40 <Ammler> Hirundo: is that somehow documented and I don't find it? 18:59:56 <Ammler> (except source :-P 19:02:33 <Hirundo> careful reading of action5 spec 19:02:41 <Hirundo> regarding offset 19:02:49 <Rubidium> if http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Action5 is the source, then yes... only to be found in the source 19:08:37 *** ABCRic [~This.is.A@17.86.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Quit: Sometimes I wonder why that frisbee is getting bigger, and suddenly, it hits me.] 19:13:00 *** phalax [~phalax@c213-100-73-226.swipnet.se] has joined #openttd 19:13:05 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: a1270] 19:17:24 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-110-142.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:18:41 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@77.106.152.233] has joined #openttd 19:20:22 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@92.0.126.109] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:23:14 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@92.0.126.109] has joined #openttd 19:27:00 *** Pikel_ is now known as Chris[A] 19:32:55 <andythenorth> hi hi 19:41:34 * andythenorth considers FIRS changes 19:41:42 <andythenorth> are supplies a bad idea? 19:42:21 <Sacro> you might scare asians 19:53:23 <Rolvaag> Except tournaments and showing-your-strenght, 19:53:35 <Rolvaag> has multiplayer mode any interest if you are not together with one player in your company ? 19:59:16 <Eddi|zuHause> why wouldn't it? 20:00:29 *** tdev [~udev@p508EF7B6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:02:18 <Rolvaag> Well, nevermind :p 20:02:20 <Rolvaag> Second question 20:02:48 <Rolvaag> [18:51] <planetmaker> preferably for passengers just give them the default 'goto XYZ' orders 20:03:09 <Rolvaag> We were talking about trains, is is the same thing with planes ? 20:03:30 <Rolvaag> I just buy a plane and tell it to go at an airport and come back ? (Will it load automatically ?) 20:04:18 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 20:07:17 *** SirSquidness [~sirsquidn@au.dongues.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:15:26 *** SirSquidness [~sirsquidn@au.dongues.com] has joined #openttd 20:17:04 <Eddi|zuHause> how the hell can a journalled filesystem get multiply claimed blocks? 20:17:58 <Eddi|zuHause> i thought the entire sense of a journal was to make sure the filesystem is in a valid state at any point? 20:18:05 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF863D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:18:18 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.202] has joined #openttd 20:22:53 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe355.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 20:26:01 <Alberth> that's the idea of every file system 20:26:20 <Alberth> journalling is to reduce recovery time iirc 20:27:21 <Alberth> ie no need to scan the whole disk for problems, just roll back to the last safe point 20:28:33 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but apparently it fails... 20:29:31 <Alberth> apparently, it was time to check how good your backups are :p 20:30:36 <Eddi|zuHause> this IS the backup... created a few days ago... 20:41:10 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FE59.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:44:32 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FE59.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:47:47 <Wolf01> 'night 20:47:54 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host3-234-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:50:25 *** Xrufuian [~Xrufuian@pool-98-119-100-47.lsanca.btas.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 20:57:09 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:02:25 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FE59.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Progman] 21:03:33 <frosch123> night 21:03:37 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe355.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:07:12 <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/764/1049new.png :-) 21:12:45 <Eddi|zuHause> what's so interesting about that? 21:14:27 <Ammler> OPEN TTD -> OpenTTD 21:16:30 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Administr@89.246.177.2] has joined #openttd 21:23:00 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@89.246.171.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:23:03 *** Howitzer [GruiaTudor@79.119.216.98] has joined #openttd 21:23:26 <Howitzer> hy guys I`ve got a question 21:23:58 *** Howitzer [GruiaTudor@79.119.216.98] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:24:48 *** Howitzer [GruiaTudor@79.119.216.98] has joined #openttd 21:25:08 <Ammler> How to setup stable connection? 21:25:44 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-131-054.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:25:58 <Howitzer> i`ve recently made a new tycoon map and I want to max the production for all industryes is there a way to set the production to maximum for all the industryes ? 21:26:15 <Ammler> cheat! 21:26:23 <Ammler> (ctrl-alt-c) 21:26:29 <Howitzer> k i`ll try 21:26:32 *** Howitzer [GruiaTudor@79.119.216.98] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:28:13 *** Howitzer [GruiaTudor@79.119.216.98] has joined #openttd 21:28:26 <Howitzer> I tryed and it ai`nt working 21:28:32 <Howitzer> :( 21:28:42 <Ammler> what didn't work? 21:29:07 <Howitzer> i don`t want to manualy set the production to 2000 for each industry is there a faster way to do it ? 21:29:36 <Ammler> with a newgrf maybe 21:29:55 <Howitzer> newgr stand for ? 21:30:02 <Howitzer> newgrf* 21:30:29 <Ammler> new graphics replacement files 21:30:38 <Ammler> or something similar :-) 21:30:43 <Howitzer> :) 21:30:47 <Howitzer> ok 21:31:04 <Ammler> something like extensions or addons 21:31:50 *** Rolvaag [~izual@93.25.38.115] has quit [Quit: Rien n'arrête nos esprits ! Guns can't kill what soldiers can't see !] 21:31:52 *** tdev [~udev@p508EF7B6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: free open source vehicle simulator: http://rigsofrods.com] 21:33:34 <Howitzer> is there a map that has the production of industryes 2000(maximum production) ? 21:34:38 *** Howitzer [GruiaTudor@79.119.216.98] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:34:51 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-131-054.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 21:35:53 *** Howitzer [GruiaTudor@79.119.216.98] has joined #openttd 21:40:03 <fjb> Who won the cake? 21:40:05 *** Howitzer [GruiaTudor@79.119.216.98] has quit [] 21:41:21 *** Certes [~Certes@cpc4-sgyl15-0-0-cust105.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 21:45:35 <planetmaker> fjb: so far no-one 21:45:41 <planetmaker> It's scheduled for Sunday 21:45:53 <Certes> Hi. My first visit here, so firstly a big thanks to everyone who's contributed to making a wonderful game 21:46:13 <fjb> Oh, I'm having also an appointment on sunday evening. :-( 21:46:41 <Belugas> welcome, Certes. 21:46:53 <planetmaker> hi Certes 21:46:58 <planetmaker> and hi Belugas, too :-) 21:47:06 <planetmaker> and fjb of course :-) 21:47:15 <planetmaker> enough highlights? ;-) 21:47:32 <Certes> Thanks. A Cargodist question if I may: is there a way to persuade cargo to reroute when services change? 21:47:32 <Belugas> 2u2, friend :) 21:47:49 <Certes> I've set link graph recalculation to 1 day and waited several months but I think what I need is a "recalculate now" function 21:47:55 <fjb> Hi to everyone still or already awake. 21:48:37 * Belugas is playing guit while waiting for peter1138 to appear 21:50:28 * andythenorth is playing the fool 21:56:22 <Eddi|zuHause> Certes: yeah, cargodist is really bad at reacting to player changes... 21:56:37 <Certes> hi Eddi, thanks for the reply, I'm listening 21:56:44 <Eddi|zuHause> Certes: but if you set the interval too low, the computer might not be able to catch up... 21:56:51 *** spart [~quassel@p54ABE704.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:56:59 *** spart [~quassel@p54ABE704.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:57:07 <Certes> OK, I'll try a few medium values 21:57:13 <Eddi|zuHause> i would leave those settings at default, they may have weird side effects 21:57:20 <Certes> thanks 21:57:48 <Certes> Cargodist is a great idea, it's much more realistic but I realise that it is difficult to do this perfectly 21:58:12 * andythenorth has accidentally grown a city to 25k inhabitants :o 21:58:53 <andythenorth> with only three stations :O 21:59:00 <andythenorth> bizarre 21:59:41 <Ammler> Certes: real world = perfect ? 22:00:15 <Certes> I wish, Ammler, I wish! I meant a perfect game, or a perfect simulation of the imperfect real world 22:00:30 <Ammler> ok :-D 22:01:32 <Certes> Thanks for the hints, Eddi. I've paused the game for a while but it didn't help. I'll try higher values nearer to the default 16. 22:02:59 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: might explain better: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/766/1050compare.png 22:04:18 <Ammler> andythenorth: you can grow a city to one million with 3 bus staions 22:04:19 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: both look kinda weird... 22:04:31 <Ammler> left is default 22:04:43 <Ammler> or trunk or however you call that 22:04:53 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: cities >1M might need TTRS or other house sets 22:05:12 <Rubidium> Wizzleby: maybe you should mention in Gentoo bug #317911 that the cause is them fetching a broken patch from Debian (IIRC I've mentioned the related Debian bug reports long ago). It's just stupid that it's been open without any movement for so long 22:05:45 <Ammler> and I just made a quick demo how it could look 22:06:05 <Ammler> it would need a artist for the fonts 22:06:30 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF863D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:06:41 <Rubidium> yeah, the right one looks right 22:06:53 <Ammler> :-P 22:07:33 <Ammler> (or did you mean it serious?) 22:07:45 <Rubidium> though I kinda disagree with removing the landscape selectors from the intro menu. Then it'll look really really really boring 22:08:23 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 22:08:50 <Eddi|zuHause> i second that 22:09:08 <Rubidium> Ammler: an artist for both fonts: original and ogfx 22:09:09 <Ammler> oh, you speak about the new gui, that is something else 22:09:18 <andythenorth> Should be OpenTTD no? 22:09:37 <Ammler> yes, as it is isn't TTD :-) 22:09:40 <andythenorth> using all caps but making some glyphs larger is weird no? 22:10:02 <andythenorth> glyphs / characters /s 22:10:20 *** Jhs [~Jhs4@250.80-202-210.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:10:32 <Rubidium> yeah, making lowercase glyphs is probably better 22:10:35 <Ammler> andythenorth: you mean chaning pen to lower case? 22:10:58 <Rubidium> although the p and P look quite the same 22:11:03 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, that would be better 22:11:04 <andythenorth> Ammler: yes 22:11:12 <Ammler> andythenorth: would you like to make some nice letters? 22:11:46 <Ammler> IMO, the original letters are already small 22:11:54 <Ammler> so it should get bigger 22:12:55 <andythenorth> Ammler: no 22:13:29 <andythenorth> sorry, no font design from me :) 22:13:36 <planetmaker> :-( 22:14:05 <Ammler> not design, just resize :-) 22:14:11 <Eddi|zuHause> the colour looks very monotonous... 22:14:31 <Ammler> well or redesign ^ 22:14:34 <Ammler> :-) 22:15:06 <Ammler> I have no idea, how it would look with original 22:15:11 <Certes> Thanks for your help, bfn 22:15:12 *** Certes [~Certes@cpc4-sgyl15-0-0-cust105.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 22:16:16 <Ammler> original is even smaller 22:17:00 <Eddi|zuHause> what the hell does "bfn" mean? 22:17:13 <Ammler> maybe simply remove the space? 22:17:27 <Ammler> OPEN TTD -> OPENTTD 22:17:47 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Administr@89.246.177.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:17:47 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-110-142.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:17:58 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-110-142.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 22:19:35 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@89.246.177.2] has joined #openttd 22:20:18 *** Jhs [~Jhs4@250.80-202-210.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 22:28:41 * andythenorth refits a ferry for food 22:29:43 <Wizzleby> Rubidium: will do. Sorry, I was holding the ball on that one last, and I dropped it. I'll pick it up again. 22:30:27 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Administr@89.246.173.70] has joined #openttd 22:34:59 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c84a:e12b:c3cd:d764] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:35:14 *** Goulpy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 22:35:41 *** glx [~glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c84a:e12b:c3cd:d764] has joined #openttd 22:35:44 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 22:36:42 <planetmaker> [00:07] <Rubidium> though I kinda disagree with removing the landscape selectors from the intro menu. Then it'll look really really really boring <-- I agree with that, too 22:37:03 <planetmaker> Though I honestly find it a bit inconsistent. 22:37:25 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@89.246.177.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:37:26 <planetmaker> The reason I lay out for myself to keep it, is that they can still serve as quick-start buttons 22:37:52 <Rubidium> with CTRL pressed... that's actually a nice idea! 22:38:26 <Yexo> "new game" can already do that 22:38:44 <planetmaker> I know :-) 22:38:46 <Yexo> but it might save one click if you want to try a few differnt climates very quickly 22:39:00 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, but ctrl+landscape is one click less than landscape,ctrl+new game 22:39:06 <planetmaker> For testing I use this quick start A LOT 22:41:27 <Yexo> if I want to test starting a newgame I start with the -g option 22:41:54 <planetmaker> well. E.g. if trying newgrfs 22:42:16 <Yexo> newgame / load game via the ingame console 22:42:29 <planetmaker> If I have a specific game... 22:42:39 <planetmaker> Yexo: but not wich changed newgrf settings 22:42:40 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:42:46 <planetmaker> they're not stored when modified ingame 22:42:52 <Yexo> true 22:42:55 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 22:43:40 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [] 22:46:28 *** Xrufuian [~Xrufuian@pool-98-119-100-47.lsanca.btas.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- It'll be on slashdot one day...] 22:57:54 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 22:59:11 <Wizzleby> Rubidium: I imported the debian patch that fixes the other debian patch, and pushed it as a revbump to gamerlay. The disappearing mouse cursor seems to be gone after that. I'll document it on the bug, and let the games team know (and report it on that bug) 23:00:12 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has joined #openttd 23:01:25 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:04:53 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226215031.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 23:08:52 <Rubidium> Wizzleby: lovely 23:09:45 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D9D62.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... Der, der blÀht, als hinterster geht!] 23:21:12 *** Jhs [~Jhs4@250.80-202-210.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:34:47 * andythenorth is surprised by the strength of feeling about the name 'Gas Station' :P 23:38:48 *** kamnet [4cb15f41@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 23:39:32 <Chris[A]> I'm trying to figure out why 'Goods' arn't being unload in towns (I checked the wiki and it doesn't tell me enought to asertaine why) 23:40:01 *** Chris[A] is now known as Pikel 23:40:40 <kamnet> are you playing a game or developing something? 23:40:50 <Pikel> game 23:40:57 <kamnet> what sets are loaded? 23:41:03 <Yexo> a "town" doesn't accept anything, the houses inside a town accept certain cargos 23:41:19 <Yexo> (nearly) all houses accept passengers and mail, but only some bigger buildings accept goods 23:41:35 <Pikel> ahh ok, that explains it 23:41:43 <Yexo> in order for your station to accept goods in needs to be near enough big buildings that accept goods 23:41:58 <Yexo> it needs 8/8 acceptance, with the query land tool you can see how much each tile accept 23:42:44 <kamnet> or do it my lazy way, open up the truck good station tools and swing it around a bit, watching to see if it changes from accepting mail to accepting mail and goods ;-) 23:44:08 <planetmaker> ^ I suppose that's the usual way 23:44:20 <kamnet> I know, I'm a bad player. 23:44:32 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-77-86-102-50.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:44:42 <planetmaker> ? 23:44:59 <kamnet> I suppose the proper way is to use the info tool 23:45:05 <planetmaker> why would you be that if you use the convenient way to do that? 23:45:55 <kamnet> I actually miss that information from the old TTD (maybe w/ TTDPatch? I can't remember). It used to be that when you used the station tools that it would tell you there on the spot the acceptance rate 23:47:25 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Administr@89.246.173.70] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:50:41 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-110-142.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:58:17 *** glx [~glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c84a:e12b:c3cd:d764] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:58:57 *** glx [~glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c84a:e12b:c3cd:d764] has joined #openttd 23:59:00 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 23:59:08 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd