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20 lines that have type AI 10:04:24 <Alberth> but you can also download them from the forums, openttd -> general openttd -> noai discussion 10:05:08 <Alberth> there are threads for many AIs, where usually in the first post you can find a download, or a link to a download 10:10:43 <Alberth> note that you most likely also need a few AI libraries 10:11:20 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:13:54 <ccfreak2k> It's perfectly plausable that some new/experimental AI isn't in bananas. 10:16:21 <Hitman20> ah ic 10:16:58 <Hitman20> yeah na i looked through dl content but there wasnt 20 less than 10:17:12 <Hitman20> I dl'd all the libraries from DL content though 10:31:53 *** valhallasw [~user@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 10:36:33 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.18.5.195] has joined #openttd 10:44:00 <dihedral> dl = download? 10:44:11 <dihedral> ic = i see? 10:51:34 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:55:06 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:55:29 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:55:31 *** Ammler [~ammler@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:03:25 <SpComb> pong 11:06:14 <rasco> what about the gamebalance branch? 11:06:19 <Hitman20> ah yeah Diherdral you are correct dl is download and ic is i see 11:06:36 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 11:06:50 <rasco> are there any plans of balancing aircraft in main branch? 11:10:49 <__ln__> like asking the passengers to sit on the left side of the plane? 11:11:19 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 11:11:19 <rasco> yes thats exactly what i was thinking of 11:15:53 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 11:19:23 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:20:10 <SpComb> set max number of air vehicles per player to 0 11:20:14 <SpComb> done :) 11:20:35 <rasco> yes thats what everyone is doing but actually... thats soo lame 11:22:42 <Rubidium> callback 39 might help 11:25:28 <rasco> hmm 11:26:31 <rasco> where do i find it 11:27:00 <rasco> ah newgrf_callbacks.h rite 11:27:04 <Rubidium> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Callbacks 11:28:25 <rasco> hmm, its a good idea but how to balance planes with that? 11:31:27 <Rubidium> if it's fast, don't let it make a lot of money 11:31:48 <rasco> but that would affect trains too wouldnt it? 11:33:09 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@77.106.155.221] has joined #openttd 11:33:28 <Rubidium> but very fast trains have the same: "makes a lot of money" problem 11:33:49 <Rubidium> you can increase the running cost of aircraft as well with a NewGRF 11:35:18 <rasco> but as far as i understood only in 2-multipliers rite? 11:35:51 <rasco> when i do that in pikka's aircraft set, then the old planes are totally useless, and only the new planes make sense 11:36:17 <rasco> which also sucks because i want to use the dc-3 :) 11:36:30 <rasco> but it makes no profit 11:38:38 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... sometimes i completely don't understand how much the AI can cheat... i'm doing fairly well, i think, but almost all AIs are ahead in research, now i'm on the brink of researching scientific method, and it just announces "XYZ has finnished Apollo Program" 11:38:50 <Eddi|zuHause> and it's 1640... 11:40:13 <Eddi|zuHause> and i can't wage war either, because people are two technology steps ahead of me... 11:40:30 *** dfox [~dfox@r6l51.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:42:04 <rasco> Eddi|zuHause: wrong channel? 11:42:07 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 11:42:11 *** Ammller [~ammler@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 11:42:21 <Eddi|zuHause> no :) 11:43:22 <SpComb> new OpenTTD mod? 11:43:26 <SpComb> dune? 11:43:37 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 11:43:37 <Alberth> in 1640? 11:43:57 <Alberth> some form of civ, I'd say 11:44:08 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 11:44:56 <__ln__> if a space shuttle lands on my airport, how much income? 11:45:01 <rasco> sounds civvy 11:45:09 *** keikoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 11:45:13 <keikoz> hi 11:45:50 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:ad61:73cd:a3b2:bf63] has joined #openttd 11:45:53 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 11:49:31 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 11:50:19 *** Eoin [eoin@cpc1-dund8-0-0-cust17.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: kthxbai] 11:50:54 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: then play OpenTTD... there the AIs don't cheat anymore 11:51:31 <Rubidium> not sure whether there are AIs in freeciv and whether they cheat, but if it has them and they do cheat... you can mod it so they don't 11:51:40 <Rubidium> that way you should be able to win 12:00:54 <dihedral> tactical operations with Rubi ^^ 12:01:30 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: the AI in CivIV can also be modded, since it is "open" source 12:01:56 <Eddi|zuHause> but i could also just play a lower difficulty level, since clearly i can't master this one properly... 12:02:05 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 12:02:26 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: but that would be the easy way out 12:02:34 <rasco> Eddi|zuHause: why not play online? 12:02:59 * Rubidium wonders when there'll be a civic :) 12:03:27 <Eddi|zuHause> version 99? 12:03:46 <Rubidium> yeah, cause google thinks civiv should be civic 12:04:07 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, civ4 should give better results ;) 12:07:45 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:15:50 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-5-149.A212.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 12:18:27 <fjb> Moin 12:23:17 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 12:23:45 <rasco> moin moin 12:24:49 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<Eddi|zuHause> hm... somehow everyone is moving around... 13:48:24 <Eddi|zuHause> one goes to australia, one goes to america, one goes to england, one goes elsewhere... 13:49:00 <Ammler> me stays :-) 13:52:22 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:55:01 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:58:25 <Yexo> when are the ttdpatch nightlies build? 13:58:45 <Yexo> assuming this (http://nightly.ttdpatch.net/latest/ ) is the download location apparently not every night 13:59:25 <Alberth> perhaps only when somebody committed a change? 14:02:23 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, the compile farm is intelligent enough to skip building if no commits have been made 14:12:26 *** Pikka [~chatzilla@c122-108-245-233.kelvn3.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.7/20100713130626]] 14:16:24 *** jpx_ [jpx_@a91-156-228-224.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 14:22:09 *** hinstance 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http://nopaste.info/f2bda48db3.html 14:41:20 <SmatZ> code generated by gcc 4.5.0 -O3 14:41:22 <SmatZ> insane :-x 14:41:49 <SmatZ> I should benchmark that beast 14:42:44 <dihedral> hey ho SmatZ 14:42:45 <dihedral> :-) 14:43:05 <SmatZ> hello mr. dihedral :) 14:45:35 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i read the extensive essay on the *2.0f optimisation, where i answered "i think this is probably wrong", and it doesn't really conclusively say if i was right... 14:51:10 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:56:41 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db1b6a6.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:00:00 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.168.123] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:00:10 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.168.123] has joined #openttd 15:01:38 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.168.123] has quit [] 15:02:21 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.168.123] has joined #openttd 15:03:30 <SmatZ> indeed, the -O3 code is slower 15:03:40 <SmatZ> -fno-tree-vectorize makes it ~20% faster 15:09:25 *** dail [626c4721@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:15:54 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.168.123] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:17:09 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.168.123] has joined #openttd 15:20:48 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe that inserts another optimisation inbetween, so it can't detect the optimisation pattern anymore 15:25:27 <SmatZ> actually it's only the vectorization 15:27:30 *** Sevalecan [Sevalecan@24-247-215-148.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com] has joined #openttd 15:27:32 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:27:45 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-224-240.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:27:50 *** Ammller [~ammler@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 15:29:21 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:29:21 *** Ammler [~ammler@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:29:21 *** Ammller is now known as Ammler 15:29:45 <Sevalecan> has anyone noticed a bug recently with NARS where Pax Equipment is always called "steam heating" for every different train engine? 15:33:47 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 15:34:24 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 15:42:12 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 15:43:23 <Rubidium> Yexo: TTDP nightlies are built around 03:00 UTC 15:43:40 <Yexo> every night or just on some nights? 15:43:45 <Rubidium> every night 15:44:35 <Yexo> http://svn.ttdpatch.net/trac/timeline has r2325 yesterday 18:00 (dunno timezone) 15:44:45 <Yexo> but http://nightly.ttdpatch.net/latest/ doesn't have r2325 yet 15:44:56 <Rubidium> Yexo: refresh :) 15:45:02 <Rubidium> it has it for me 15:45:06 <Yexo> oh 15:45:07 <Yexo> thanks 15:45:16 <Rubidium> so probably some cache setting of the page is causing trouble for you 15:45:30 *** Wizzleby 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translators * r20205 /trunk/src/lang/ (czech.txt polish.txt ukrainian.txt): 17:45:37 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:37 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: czech - 15 changes by ReisRyos 17:45:37 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: polish - 7 changes by xine 17:45:37 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: ukrainian - 1 changes by Fixer 17:47:47 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:51:45 <andythenorth> evening 17:52:17 <Alberth> evening 17:58:30 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@77.106.155.221] has joined #openttd 17:58:48 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:58:50 <Belugas> :( 17:58:56 <Belugas> not yet evening :) 17:58:59 <Belugas> oops// 17:59:04 <Belugas> not yet evening :( 18:00:38 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 18:01:03 <Rubidium> Belugas: but then it's not even weekend for you 18:02:51 <Belugas> thus :( x 2 18:08:16 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping 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-Codechange: Move variable declaration to first use. 18:42:08 <Wolf01> "Move variable declaration to first use" why did you choose this way? It's ugly :( 18:43:10 <Alberth> it is code style that we use 18:43:42 <Wolf01> but it's ugly :( 18:44:17 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: alberth * r20208 /trunk/src/ (industry_gui.cpp lang/english.txt): -Add: Allow access of the industry cargoes window from the industry view window. 18:47:04 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: alberth * r20209 /trunk/src/industry_gui.cpp: -Add: Allow access to the industry cargoes window from the fund industry window. 18:49:30 <andythenorth> Alberth: ^ :) 18:52:09 <Alberth> msvc 2008 doesn't like it :( 18:57:41 <andythenorth> Alberth: OS X won't build it either :( 18:58:04 <andythenorth> do you need a paste? 18:58:34 <Belugas> andythenorth, that is your work? (lego stuff) 18:58:40 <andythenorth> yup 18:58:40 <Rubidium> andythenorth: get a newer GCC 18:58:48 <Alberth> andythenorth: assert_compile(MAX_CARGOES >= lengthof(IndustrySpec::produced_cargo)); <-- that line? 18:58:49 * Belugas likes 18:59:04 <Alberth> assert_compile(MAX_CARGOES >= cpp_lengthof(IndustrySpec, produced_cargo)); <-- yexo proposes this solution 18:59:07 <Rubidium> Alberth: he has gcc 4.0 or gcc 4.2 18:59:33 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8685.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:59:37 <andythenorth> I have gcc 4.01 18:59:44 * andythenorth googles how to update gcc :P 18:59:49 <Alberth> as in that patch won't work either? 18:59:53 <Rubidium> Alberth: gcc 4.1 says it's okay 19:00:26 <Rubidium> andythenorth: ask pm 19:00:32 <Rubidium> he seems to be using gcc 4.5 19:00:51 <Rubidium> (or 4.4; at least something significantly newer) 19:04:38 <andythenorth> :o 19:07:12 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: alberth * r20210 /trunk/src/industry_gui.cpp: -Fix (r20206): Allow other compilers to enjoy the new window too. 19:09:01 * andythenorth was having so much fun with mac ports :P 19:14:14 *** dfox [~dfox@r6l51.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 19:14:46 * andythenorth wants gcc to build faster :( 19:15:15 <Wolf01> buy a more powerful computer 19:15:17 <Rubidium> then build your own one; Apple's is really really slow 19:15:41 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-26-106.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:15:45 <Terkhen> use ccache if available 19:15:56 * andythenorth doesn't feed the trollz ^^ 19:15:59 <Terkhen> that will not help you much on the first compile, though 19:16:26 <Rubidium> Terkhen: ccache only works on recompiles 19:16:58 <Rubidium> and makedepend is fairly smart about what files to recompile and what not (same with strgen knowing when to update strings.h) 19:17:30 <Rubidium> so the only time you'd possibly get a benefit from ccache is when you change a comment in a header without adding and/or removing newlines 19:18:38 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-26-106.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 19:18:59 <Terkhen> wouldn't ccache help when compiling a cloned repo? 19:19:22 <Rubidium> yes, but that is basically a recompile 19:19:32 <Rubidium> but how often do you do that? 19:20:02 <Rubidium> or more specifically: would andy 19:20:23 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Quit: bye] 19:20:48 <Terkhen> probably never, that's why I said it wouldn't help much 19:22:07 <Rubidium> ccache only adds an extra point-of-failure and, if it's not used, adds significant penalties to compilation 19:22:58 <Alberth> andythenorth: sorry, but I had to add some strings for the new window :p 19:23:27 * andythenorth watches gcc build slowly and with no progress window :P 19:23:29 <Terkhen> yeah, I'm noticing... I never had problems with it under linux, but mingw versions fail to compile openttd 19:23:53 * andythenorth does at least have a reassuring blinkencursor 19:23:56 <Terkhen> I'm guessing it forgets some flags 19:24:31 *** Netsplit reticulum.oftc.net <-> coulomb.oftc.net quits: Alberth, JVassie_, Dreamxtreme_, ajmiles, pugi, murr4y, Hirundo, rhaeder, KritiK, lolman_ 19:24:46 *** Netsplit over, joins: KritiK, ajmiles, pugi, Hirundo, JVassie_, Alberth, Dreamxtreme_, lolman_, murr4y, rhaeder 19:25:40 <Terkhen> I should look for other thing to do with my free time than trying to improve my mingw installation, such as actually using it :P 19:26:48 <andythenorth> Terkhen: I have a c2 page just for you :P http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?SharpenTheSaw 19:27:34 <Terkhen> andythenorth: yeah, I do that a lot 19:27:54 <Terkhen> and usually I know that it's a waste of time, but I enjoy doing it anyways 19:28:40 <Terkhen> sometimes it is even useful 19:32:19 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8685.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:32:52 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-224-240.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:33:37 <andythenorth> :( 19:33:48 * andythenorth ponders going to the shop to buy beer 19:33:53 <andythenorth> perhaps gcc is done by then 19:36:07 *** perk111 [~perk11@178.34.16.128] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:37:21 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.16.128] has joined #openttd 19:42:47 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:03:10 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.16.128] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:04:18 <Belugas> WOW 20:04:23 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.16.128] has joined #openttd 20:04:24 <Belugas> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XOOenaIdJ0 20:04:37 <Belugas> that is incredible 20:05:21 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-224-240.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:05:23 <andythenorth> yes :) 20:05:38 <andythenorth> I liked the cows more though 20:06:10 *** KouDy [~KouDy@rb5ck203.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 20:06:56 *** perk111 [~perk11@178.34.16.128] has joined #openttd 20:08:20 *** KouDy [~KouDy@rb5ck203.net.upc.cz] has quit [] 20:08:24 *** KouDy [~KouDy@rb5ck203.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 20:08:55 *** KouDy [~KouDy@rb5ck203.net.upc.cz] has quit [] 20:08:59 *** KouDy [~KouDy@rb5ck203.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 20:12:26 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.16.128] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:13:35 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.16.128] has joined #openttd 20:16:46 *** Dreamxtreme_ [Dreamxtrem@92.8.122.67] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:17:01 *** perk111 [~perk11@178.34.16.128] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:19:43 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@92.8.15.110] has joined #openttd 20:23:06 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@92.8.15.110] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:23:17 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@92.8.15.110] has joined #openttd 20:23:22 <andythenorth> yay! 20:23:27 <andythenorth> pikka to the rescue 20:29:09 <Belugas> indeed, the cows are somehting to watch :) 20:34:58 * andythenorth ponders building lego cows 20:35:13 * andythenorth ponders cows in FIRS that watch trains go by 20:35:52 <planetmaker> the latter would distinctly be interesting 20:38:40 <andythenorth> the industry chain feature is awesome 20:45:05 <andythenorth> planetmaker: any idea how to write global var 8E (depot offset for trains)? 20:46:03 <planetmaker> uhm... not really 20:48:25 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@92.8.15.110] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:48:59 <andythenorth> it's an Action D global parameter 20:50:30 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@92.8.15.110] has joined #openttd 20:53:41 <Belugas> gone 20:53:42 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe34dc00-202.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 20:53:43 <Belugas> bye bye 20:53:49 <planetmaker> g'night Belugas 20:53:58 <planetmaker> andythenorth: did you try to just write it? 20:54:05 <planetmaker> like any other param? 20:54:48 <andythenorth> not yet 20:54:59 <andythenorth> never wrote an action D :P 21:00:11 *** murr4y [~murray@169.84-49-70.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:05:41 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:06:48 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 21:08:55 <planetmaker> They're the easiest kind of actions ;-) 21:10:11 *** murr4y [~murray@169.84-49-70.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 21:10:28 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.16.128] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 21:17:21 <Eddi|zuHause> having the great wall makes you underdevelop your defense... that's surely gonna backfire 21:20:27 * fjb is too peaceful to win CIV. 21:21:36 * andythenorth goes to bed 21:21:45 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has left #openttd [] 21:22:28 <fjb> My Win Mobile phone ate all Java apps including all the data. :-( 21:23:11 *** murr4y [~murray@169.84-49-70.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:23:43 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:28:11 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 21:37:42 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-224-240.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 21:40:21 <Eddi|zuHause> fjb: i have won games without ever going to war 21:40:47 <Eddi|zuHause> and as far as i can tell, nobody else went to war either... 21:41:12 <Eddi|zuHause> but occasionally you have people who declare war no matter your relations... 21:46:54 <fjb> A christian friend of mine always declares war to win the game. But beside that the AIs usually declare war. 21:47:23 *** epeli [~epeli@a91-153-31-161.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 21:47:29 <Eddi|zuHause> the AIs really are some kind of role playing... 21:47:42 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BCDD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:47:44 <epeli> hey guys, a quick question 21:47:46 <Eddi|zuHause> Shaka will pretty much always declare war, unless you keep him busy 21:47:58 <Eddi|zuHause> and Ghandi will pretty much never declare war 21:48:23 <epeli> some server settings (such as min_active_clients, does nothing on listen servers) behave differently on listen and dedicated servers, is it intended behavior or a bug? 21:49:42 <Eddi|zuHause> i believe that one is intended... 21:51:12 *** murr4y [~murray@169.84-49-70.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 21:51:23 <epeli> i wish better documentation for all these settings existed somewhere :( 21:52:51 <Eddi|zuHause> make one. that's why it's a wiki ;) 21:53:14 <planetmaker> ^ 21:53:59 <epeli> haha, yeah. i occasionally do anonymous wiki contributions, but i couldnt possibly start documenting all the features when i dont even know how they are supposed to work :) 21:54:05 <planetmaker> especially the wiki doesn't work with *someone* but only with 'I will...' 21:56:03 <planetmaker> epeli: then mark them (at least) with a 'todo' or 'attention' or 'outdated' template marker - whatever seems appropriate 21:56:13 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-30-173.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:56:21 <planetmaker> or better: find out :-) 22:01:08 <Terkhen> good night 22:01:22 *** tdev [~udev@p508EA1E6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:03:40 <fjb> I have won a million again. What to do with all that millions I win every day? 22:04:47 <epeli> hire someone to install adblock and junkmail filter for your browser and email respectively? :p 22:04:50 <Rubidium> donate them to OpenTTD? If we have enough we could probably make Atari interested and buy the copyright and trademarks related to Transport Tycoon 22:06:26 <fjb> Shall I forward all win notification mails to you? 22:07:13 <Rubidium> no, just the money 22:07:55 <fjb> Oh, money? I was just happy about winning every day. 22:08:37 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe you can try forwarding your happiness :) 22:09:05 * fjb forwards all happiness to Rubidium. 22:10:16 <planetmaker> you must be a truely sad man now... 22:10:46 * planetmaker still happily goes to bed now and waves everyone a good night 22:10:48 <Rubidium> fjb: my happiness will just go lost when looking at the trackers 22:10:59 <Rubidium> so it's kinda wasted 22:11:36 * fjb starts to collect new happiness from the new notifications. 22:11:42 <fjb> Night planetmaker 22:16:41 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8685.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:17:06 <Wolf01> 'night 22:17:13 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host41-235-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:22:19 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db1b6a6.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: gn8] 22:41:00 *** dfox [~dfox@r6l51.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:43:11 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-224-240.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:46:01 *** KouDy [~KouDy@rb5ck203.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:55:00 *** nfc [~nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:00:14 *** keikoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 23:01:40 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:10:50 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@92.8.15.110] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:19:41 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:22:48 *** fmauneko [~fmauneko@88.166.241.226] has joined #openttd 23:33:27 *** tdev [~udev@p508EA1E6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: free open source vehicle simulator: http://rigsofrods.com] 23:37:22 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:40:56 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@92.8.7.42] has joined #openttd 23:43:57 *** nfc [~nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 23:53:52 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.18.5.195] has quit [Quit: ãããã¿]