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"backups" 00:33:32 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 00:33:32 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:33:35 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 00:34:54 *** Sacro [~Sacro@87.102.19.96] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:36:21 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:44:03 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC1EA5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!] 00:45:26 *** fmauneko [~fmauneko@88.166.241.226] has quit [Quit: fmauneko] 00:50:27 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 00:56:04 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... it's weird... the other computer can read one of the "alledgedly unformatted" disks 00:56:26 <Eddi|zuHause> so i have one unreadable disk, and 3 partially readable disks, out of 11 00:56:59 <SmatZ> quality of floppy drives varies a lot 00:57:14 <SmatZ> unreadable in one drive can be 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probably 10:40:18 <perk11> "Display chain" feature 10:40:22 <perk11> yes 10:40:26 *** Zahl [~Zahl@frbg-d9be32db.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:40:48 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.18.5.195] has joined #openttd 10:42:45 *** Sacro [~Sacro@87.102.19.96] has joined #openttd 10:42:57 <Ammler> yes, sometimes, the lovely devs succeed to surprise us again ;-) 10:44:03 <Ammler> specially nice, if you use firs or ecs 10:44:07 <perk11> and it works for NewGRF too 10:44:10 <perk11> yeah 10:44:15 <Wolf01> must try :O 10:44:36 <Ammler> and everything is clickable, awesome 10:45:04 *** Sacro [~Sacro@87.102.19.96] has quit [] 10:46:34 <Alberth> not everything :p 10:47:42 *** Sacro [~Sacro@87.102.19.96] has joined #openttd 10:51:24 * planetmaker guesses that newgrf industries were the main motivator for that feature ;-) 10:52:15 <Alberth> s/main/only/ :) 10:52:20 <planetmaker> finally people can understand how FIRS and ECS cargo flows work... 10:52:29 <planetmaker> hehe :-) 11:00:23 *** Fuco 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It is currently hard coded to be pasengers and mail 11:09:31 <perk11> Use ECS houses 11:10:39 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:10:43 <perk11> it allows houses to produce tourists => It's not hardcoded 11:11:31 *** Kovensky [~kovensky@abraxo.bluebottle.net.au] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:12:25 <roboboy> hello 11:12:26 <Alberth> I mean it is hard coded in the industry chain window 11:13:16 <Alberth> house may be able to produce tourists, but I cannot query that information from the houses 11:13:52 <perk11> Click on tourist center and you'll see it 11:14:50 <Alberth> I mean from the code, not from the user interface 11:14:59 <perk11> oh 11:15:46 <perk11> Do you mean AI or grf? 11:15:57 <Alberth> no, C++ code 11:16:26 <Alberth> ie the stuff that displays and manages the window :) 11:16:46 <perk11> somehow it's been displayed in that window 11:17:44 <Alberth> true 11:20:50 *** Eoin [eoin@cpc1-dund8-0-0-cust17.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 11:27:35 <peter1138> hmm, is it worth using :x in structs? 11:27:59 <peter1138> as opposed to doing ottd style bitstuffing 11:28:33 <Rubidium> for your "own" application or for OpenTTD? 11:28:42 <peter1138> my own, not for openttd of course 11:28:59 <peter1138> difference is each block has a fixed format, not variable like ottd 11:29:19 <Rubidium> it would make things easier to understand and you wouldn't need accessor functions 11:30:08 *** `Fuco` [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 11:30:25 <Rubidium> and if you don't use -O0 it should generate reasonable code; at least that's what I can find in our wiki 11:31:05 <SpComb> peter1138: the resulting layout isn't spec'd, so you can write them out to disk and read them back in that well 11:31:13 <SpComb> but apart from that, they should work, I presume... 11:31:42 <peter1138> *nod* 11:32:05 *** tdev [~udev@p508EA532.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: free open source vehicle simulator: http://rigsofrods.com] 11:32:29 <peter1138> i'm not bothered about file portability. i'm using gzread/gzwrite directly at the moment ;) 11:33:42 <SpComb> er, *can't 11:37:06 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:42:07 <peter1138> i solved the list/hash performance issue a different way, heh 11:47:25 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:47:26 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:47:28 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 12:09:11 <Eddi|zuHause> http://stats.bean-fw.net/localdomain/localhost.localdomain/rulesuckratio-month.png 12:15:33 <SpComb> fedora sucks 12:17:52 <Alberth> your expectations may be mis-aligned with the project goals 12:19:34 <SpComb> dunno, never tried it 12:23:54 <Yexo> what url should I use to clone the dutchstations hg repo? 12:25:12 <Yexo> or is modernstations a better example? 12:28:45 *** Amis__ [~Amis@sexard2-115.tolna.net] has joined #openttd 12:29:55 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D94F9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:35:13 *** Sacro [~Sacro@87.102.19.96] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:35:18 *** Sacro1 [~Sacro@adsl-77-86-4-65.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 12:35:45 *** Amis_ [~Amis@sexard2-115.tolna.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:37:28 *** perk11 [~perk11@94.233.241.214] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 12:40:19 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-242-15.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:42:34 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-113-127.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 12:42:37 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 12:45:09 <Belugas> ha.. here... 12:45:10 <Belugas> hello 12:45:12 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@92.0.111.164] has quit [Quit: I was raided by the FBI and all I got to keep was this lousy quit message!] 12:46:03 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has joined #openttd 12:46:45 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:89c9:cc1:e6d4:4beb] has joined #openttd 12:46:48 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:49:15 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:49:15 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:49:18 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 12:57:44 *** fmauneko [~fmauneko@88.166.241.226] has joined #openttd 13:08:44 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@92.0.111.164] has joined #openttd 13:39:27 *** Timmaexx [~tim@port-92-192-36-67.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 13:42:13 <Timmaexx> Hola 13:42:59 *** Timmaexx [~tim@port-92-192-36-67.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [] 13:45:38 *** Amis__ [~Amis@sexard2-115.tolna.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:45:49 *** Amis__ [~Amis@sexard2-115.tolna.net] has joined #openttd 13:49:21 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C02C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:03:25 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:05:26 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 14:11:51 <andythenorth> planetmaker: rivers! 14:12:36 <andythenorth> I'd like to help, but unlikely I'll be able to get anything done quickly 14:12:40 <andythenorth> :o 14:13:01 <planetmaker> no rush. But I'd like you to seriously consider providing sprites. I'll happily toy around with the code to it 14:13:18 <planetmaker> I won't be online the next 10 days anyway 14:13:29 <planetmaker> Rather I'll walk some Norwegian hills... :-) 14:14:11 <planetmaker> we just wondered a few hours ago... There seem to be no newgrfs which use all those features as described in the wiki 14:14:45 * andythenorth hates drawing landscape sprites :) 14:14:53 <planetmaker> meh :-) 14:15:10 <planetmaker> draw docks and ship lifts then 14:16:34 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.11] has joined #openttd 14:28:59 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF82C2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:41:27 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe490.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 14:46:55 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.179.238] has joined #openttd 14:50:01 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:53:01 *** HerzogDeXtEr2 [~Flex@88.130.177.144] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:55:04 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20226 /trunk/src/lang/english.txt: -Fix: make "space after ..." usage uniform in English (UK) again 15:02:40 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 15:06:47 <svip> http://crap.sviip.dk/entry/the_state_of_railway_construction_in_video_games 15:06:49 * svip rins 15:21:24 <andythenorth> planetmaker: docks....now that's a possibility 15:21:39 * andythenorth has much work to do. You around later this evening? 15:22:24 <planetmaker> maybe. But not too much 15:22:45 <andythenorth> well maybe we talk when you're back from Norway :o 15:22:50 <planetmaker> at least I shouldn't ;-) 15:22:53 <andythenorth> I have plenty to draw meanwhile ;) 15:25:23 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:30:12 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 15:30:28 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC1EA5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:34:45 <Rubidium> svip: how long should it take for that page to load? 15:35:03 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:35:40 <planetmaker> andythenorth, but it's more fun, if one can code sprites instead of funny colourful boxes :-) 15:37:15 <svip> Rubidium: A couple of seconds. 15:37:19 <svip> If not less. 15:37:41 <svip> Rubidium: I'd recommend refreshing if you are experiencing load issues. 15:37:53 <Rubidium> ah... that works better 15:41:16 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:41:16 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 15:47:41 <andythenorth> planetmaker: it's more fun when I know what's actually possible / desirable :) 15:47:53 <andythenorth> and we may not have time to figure that out. When do you leave? 15:49:54 <planetmaker> Thursday morning 15:50:38 <andythenorth> pretty busy tomorrow 15:50:53 <andythenorth> Don't go on holiday! It's massively over-rated! 15:50:57 <andythenorth> stay at home and write code 15:50:59 <andythenorth> :P 15:51:51 <planetmaker> not at all! :-) 15:53:59 *** mode/#openttd [+v orudge] by ChanServ 15:53:59 *** mode/#openttd [+v Belugas] by ChanServ 15:54:02 *** mode/#openttd [+v Rubidium] by ChanServ 16:06:01 *** Amis__ [~Amis@sexard2-115.tolna.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:06:01 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:07:54 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.11] has joined #openttd 16:09:34 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 16:16:46 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:18:50 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 16:20:26 *** nfc [~nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:37:06 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:40:30 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: terkhen * r20227 /trunk/src/ (lang/english.txt town_cmd.cpp): -Fix [FS#3985]: Don't spend cash when building a statue fails. 16:43:14 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: AS A VAGINA ONCE SAID: <yorick> SOMEONE BAN HIM] 16:49:08 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... so according to french terrorism experts, we should beware of c++! 16:51:07 <Sevalecan> that would be EvanR in #SDL on freenode. 16:51:23 <Sevalecan> he hates C++ and spews about it all day long! 16:51:34 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.numerama.com/magazine/16319-pour-arreter-le-terrorisme-interdisons-la-programmation-c.html 16:51:47 <Eddi|zuHause> Sevalecan: it's perfectly fine to hate C++ 16:51:54 <Eddi|zuHause> it's not perfect by any means 16:51:59 <Sevalecan> not for stupid reasons, though. ;) 16:52:13 <Sevalecan> usually just vague statements like "If you want to not make money, program in C++!" 16:52:14 <Eddi|zuHause> its only strength is apparently "everybody is using it" 16:54:26 <Eddi|zuHause> and, according to FOX news, the wikileaks document "prove" the "new" fact that iran is behind the taliban 16:56:54 * Hirundo prefers walt disney's movies to fox news, when it comes to reliable news 16:57:05 <Terkhen> hmmm... I've already heard that somewhen 16:58:18 <Eddi|zuHause> Terkhen: the wikileaks documents fairly clearly say the pakistan intelligence service created the taliban, under CIA observation, to fight against the russians 16:58:49 <Eddi|zuHause> although they nowadays deny any more connections exist 16:59:20 <Terkhen> I meant the "a country that we don't like is behind the taliban" part 16:59:42 <Eddi|zuHause> but... it's only obvious that iran is behind it, and not pakistan. it was also iraq behind al quaeda, and not saudi-arabia... 17:04:34 *** Amis__ [~Amis@5400C258.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has joined #openttd 17:07:02 *** tdev [~udev@p508EA532.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:12:30 <svip> Rubidium: Was it enjoyable or did you just load the page? 17:12:55 <Rubidium> I kinda missed simutrans 17:13:05 <svip> Simutrans? 17:13:17 <planetmaker> hm? 17:13:32 <Rubidium> yes, simutrans 17:13:40 <svip> Is it different from openTTD? 17:13:47 <svip> Well, I guess it is, but in what way? 17:13:49 <Rubidium> it's advertised as being quite similar to transport tycoon deluxe 17:13:55 <planetmaker> :-) 17:14:14 <planetmaker> Where is it now advertized? 17:16:25 <Rubidium> wikipedia 17:17:24 <Alberth> simutrans.com 17:17:58 <roboboy> they have a small forum at TT-Forums 17:18:21 <peter1138> they have their own forums 17:21:15 <svip> Rubidium: Uhm. 17:21:30 <svip> Well, besides the horrible music, I sort of like it right now. 17:23:45 <planetmaker> well... it certainly was heavily inspired by TTD, if I get it right 17:24:00 <svip> It doesn't feel like TTD, I'd say. 17:24:12 <svip> Hm. 17:24:16 <svip> How do I create lines? 17:24:37 <planetmaker> I never figured out there 17:27:28 <glx> <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.numerama.com/magazine/16319-pour-arreter-le-terrorisme-interdisons-la-programmation-c.html <-- nice one :) 17:29:28 <svip> Rubidium: I will update my article to include simutrans later. 17:31:54 *** Sacro1 [~Sacro@adsl-77-86-4-65.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:33:22 <planetmaker> loool @ glx :-) 17:33:42 <planetmaker> though it rather reads like the reporter is a bit... too eager 17:33:56 <glx> it's not a reporter 17:33:58 <planetmaker> but that might also be my lack in French ;-) 17:34:44 <planetmaker> oh, then that sentence references the expert. How... 'nice' 17:35:07 <Rubidium> why does this game always generate so much cargo that your railways can't handle it anymore? 17:35:45 <planetmaker> use another newgrf :-P 17:35:50 * planetmaker deliberately misunderstood 17:36:05 <Rubidium> NARS doesn't help 17:36:19 <Rubidium> and... if ships are limited to 30 that isn't a viable way out 17:36:59 <Rubidium> I already need that amount to ferry all the wood across a lake 17:37:01 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC1EA5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:38:35 <svip> Rubidium: MORE TRACKS 17:39:29 <Eddi|zuHause> use bigger ships :ÃŒ 17:39:34 <Eddi|zuHause> :p 17:39:35 <svip> Tracks on water. 17:39:36 <Rubidium> then I need to cut down mountains 17:40:07 <Eddi|zuHause> but... aside of passengers, i never had that problem... 17:40:10 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC3D9B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:40:32 <svip> My problem is usually that I have too *little* cargo. 17:40:40 <svip> Anyway. 17:40:45 <Rubidium> maybe I shouldn't have put my coal, livestock, grain and wood drop at the same place 17:40:45 <planetmaker> not really, or? 17:40:47 <svip> Speaking of SimCity, I am going to paly it now. 17:41:20 <Rubidium> make it somewhat pale? 17:41:22 <Eddi|zuHause> svip: there are like 1000 custom addons for that... 17:41:32 <svip> Eddi|zuHause: I know. 17:41:35 *** Markk [~markk@213.229.75.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:41:47 <Eddi|zuHause> i love the single track rails ;) 17:42:05 <Eddi|zuHause> but they miss some tight-spaced switches with double-track... 17:42:24 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc337e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:42:29 <svip> Eddi|zuHause: You have suggestions for addons? 17:43:02 <Eddi|zuHause> svip: i tried making my own mod, but i totally did not understand the tutorials 17:45:37 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 17:45:41 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r20228 /trunk/src/lang/ (9 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 17:45:41 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:41 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: basque - 10 changes by Thadah 17:45:41 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: dutch - 9 changes by habell 17:45:41 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: finnish - 5 changes by jpx_ 17:45:42 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: french - 5 changes by glx 17:45:42 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: german - 3 changes by planetmaker 17:46:10 <Rubidium> I must be doing something wrong: Ship income / running cost < aircraft income / running cost 17:46:50 <Eddi|zuHause> aircraft running costs are heavily underestimated in the game, i believe 17:46:59 <Eddi|zuHause> that together with not balanced for 1/1 speed 17:48:27 <Rubidium> point is that per unit running cost I make more money with ships than with aircraft 17:51:22 *** Markk [~markk@213.229.75.82] has joined #openttd 17:54:05 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... what the heck is "Flatout" for a game? 17:54:12 <Eddi|zuHause> i found this... on my hard drive... 17:54:29 <Eddi|zuHause> it crashes with segfault, though, when i tried to start... 17:54:43 <svip> Eddi|zuHause: Get the newer version. 17:54:52 <svip> FlatOut is my favourite racing game series. 17:55:20 <Eddi|zuHause> svip: i don't remember ever installing this, how did it end up here? 17:55:23 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: it's a game developed by "Bugbear Entertrainment" 17:55:38 <svip> Eddi|zuHause: The Second one is better. 17:55:43 <svip> Though I play the follow up to that. 17:57:16 <Eddi|zuHause> well... segfaulting certainly doesn't help... 17:58:58 *** duckblaster [~duckblast@202-65-55-185.xdsl.net.oyster.net.ck] has joined #openttd 17:59:54 *** KouDy [~KouDy@rb5ck203.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 18:07:01 *** duckblaster [~duckblast@202-65-55-185.xdsl.net.oyster.net.ck] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:08:46 <svip> Eddi|zuHause: Indeed. 18:08:47 *** perk11 [~perk11@94.233.241.214] has joined #openttd 18:08:53 <svip> Still, mine doesn't. 18:11:13 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc337e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:12:21 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 483 seconds] 18:16:21 *** Brin [~KouDy@rb5ck203.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 18:22:20 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:28:09 <ntx> are there any plans on adding more trains/aircraft to the toyland climate? 18:29:08 <Rubidium> you can already add more vehicles by using NewGRFs (or writing one) 18:29:23 <Alberth> nobody knows, except the guy/girl that has such a plan 18:31:02 <ntx> ah ok, seems I need to get to know NewGRFs better, thanks! 18:32:02 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:41:31 <Rubidium> remember the crashed train I showed yesterday? All Speno trains are now forbidden in the NL after they (the Dutch variant of NTSB) "found out" that a few days ago one of their trains drove through red and trashed a switch. So apparantly it crashing isn't some fluke but was bound to happen 18:43:16 *** George|2 [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 18:43:17 *** George is now known as Guest9 18:43:17 *** George|2 is now known as George 18:49:26 *** Guest9 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:58:44 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:58:54 *** Cyborgmatt [~Cyborgmat@94-193-80-49.zone7.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:59:05 *** tdev [~udev@p508EA532.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: free open source vehicle simulator: http://rigsofrods.com] 18:59:12 <Cyborgmatt> Hi, is there anyway to increase the size of ui? 18:59:34 <Alberth> you can change the font(+size) 19:01:41 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe34dc00-202.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 19:03:10 * Alberth ponders whether that is a FAQ 19:09:49 <Alberth> hmm, not yet. http://paste.pocoo.org/show/242350/ is what I do for testing, but you probably want more sane values 19:10:25 <Alberth> in particular if those files do not exist at your system ;) 19:12:29 <Cyborgmatt> I changed the size in my openttd.cfg but it doesn't seem to have worked 19:12:42 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 19:13:08 <planetmaker> Cyborgmatt: it only can work, if you closed down OpenTTD before 19:13:17 <frosch123> you also need to set the fonts, to "Arial" or whatever 19:13:42 <frosch123> though i was told arial is ugly :) 19:16:15 *** KouDy [~KouDy@rb5ck203.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: Want to be different? Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 19:16:15 *** Brin is now known as KouDy 19:25:57 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-24-228-29.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:26:22 *** pavel1269 [~pavel1269@r11kx196.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: ^^] 19:27:04 *** pavel1269 [~pavel1269@r11kx196.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 19:27:17 <Alberth> http://wiki.openttd.org/FAQ_troubleshooting#When_loading_an_older_game_my_airports_are_screwed anyone got a useful answer from this question lately? 19:27:19 *** keikoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 19:27:21 *** oniik [~Alexander@171.85-200-14.bkkb.no] has joined #openttd 19:27:45 <keikoz> hi 19:27:49 <Alberth> hi 19:29:54 <Yexo> Alberth: that's very old, it should be removed from the faq 19:32:16 <Alberth> done 19:33:07 <Alberth> last edit was in 2004 :) 19:36:31 <planetmaker> hm... can I give a train the order "go to any depot and refit"? 19:36:34 <planetmaker> if so: how? 19:40:55 <Rubidium> make a go to any depot order and then make that a refit order, as you would do with the go-to-depot orders 19:41:45 <planetmaker> hm... I miss the obvious obviously: How do I make a 'goto any depot order'? 19:42:01 <Rubidium> do you know how to make conditional orders? 19:42:15 <planetmaker> yes 19:42:21 <keikoz> planetmaker, : the button down/right 19:42:36 <keikoz> you can choose "send to any closer depot" 19:42:39 <Rubidium> planetmaker: now instead of selecting "conditional order", select "nearest depot" 19:42:46 <planetmaker> arg. yes 19:43:19 <planetmaker> hm... I was looking for a way to change "goto depot xy" into a "goto any depot" 19:43:34 <planetmaker> thanks a lot 19:46:37 *** dihedral [~dih@znc.noaddedsugar.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:50:06 *** dihedral [~dih@znc.noaddedsugar.net] has joined #openttd 19:54:18 *** heffer [~felix@HSI-KBW-095-208-017-052.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 19:56:08 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:01:10 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 20:08:36 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@yoda.zernebok.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:12:40 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@yoda.zernebok.com] has joined #openttd 20:27:20 *** keikoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 20:27:36 *** keikoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 20:28:56 *** Chillosophy [~fu@82-170-139-109.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:30:20 *** KouDy [~KouDy@rb5ck203.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:38:38 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe490.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:44:06 <Belugas> pffffff.... 20:44:09 <Belugas> exhausted 20:44:14 <Belugas> flat tired 20:44:33 <Belugas> go home you old foold 20:44:36 <Belugas> -d 20:44:37 <Belugas> night all 20:45:25 <Rubidium> and go to bed early and don't wake up until the alarm goes 20:45:35 <Rubidium> :) 20:46:36 * andythenorth should do some work 20:46:41 * andythenorth does some work 20:48:08 <keikoz> to bed ? what for ? 20:48:31 <Cyborgmatt> In multiplayer is there a way to scroll through the chat history? 20:48:37 <Cyborgmatt> or is there a box with the chat history in 20:49:09 * andythenorth dislikes work 20:49:17 <andythenorth> grr 20:49:17 <Rubidium> Cyborgmatt: there's a backlog in the (ingame) console 20:49:33 <Cyborgmatt> ahh found it, thanks 20:49:41 *** perk11 [~perk11@94.233.241.214] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:50:44 *** perk11 [~perk11@94.233.233.109] has joined #openttd 20:51:22 *** jpx [jpx_@a91-156-228-224.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:05:55 *** [hta]specx [~opera@ip94-126-210-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 21:09:02 *** Amis__ [~Amis@5400C258.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:14:00 * andythenorth stops working. ftw. perhaps 21:14:04 <andythenorth> beer 21:14:11 <SmatZ> beer! 21:15:40 *** jpx_ [jpx_@a91-156-228-224.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 21:17:28 *** Cyborgmatt [~Cyborgmat@94-193-80-49.zone7.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 21:24:00 *** pavel1269 [~pavel1269@r11kx196.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: ^^] 21:24:48 <andythenorth> stupid fricking macintosh 21:25:17 * andythenorth is unamused 21:26:57 *** Adambean [~AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 21:37:56 * Ammler ponders 21:38:18 <Rubidium> do it! 21:38:46 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-4-65.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:39:30 *** fmauneko [~fmauneko@88.166.241.226] has quit [Quit: fmauneko] 21:44:47 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-224-240.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 21:47:54 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20229 /trunk/src/order_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#3986]: "Service at nearest depot" behaved the same as "Go to nearest depot" 21:48:17 <Wolf01> ah-a! so it was not a my impression! 21:50:21 <Rubidium> and how long was it your impression it didn't work? 21:53:29 <Wolf01> 3 days ago, when I wanted to test the service at depot with steam trains (I usually send always my trains to depot at every EOL) 21:54:29 <Wolf01> but they were too slow, so I tried changing to service at depot 21:54:36 <Wolf01> but it behaved the same 21:55:19 <Wolf01> with service when reliability is <80% they were going to depot at 93% 21:55:31 <Wolf01> so I used a conditional order jump 21:57:01 <Wolf01> I played only about 10 minutes with trains, I was busy connecting near industries with RVs 22:00:47 <Terkhen> good night 22:00:56 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20230 /trunk/src/road_cmd.cpp: 22:00:56 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Fix [FS#3961]: road vehicles could be dead locked with one way roads. This 22:00:56 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: allows one wayness to be removed if there are vehicles on a tile; it does not 22:00:56 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: allow you to add one wayness to roads that have vehicles on them as it makes 22:00:56 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: turning vehicles jump 22:01:05 <Wolf01> night Terkhen 22:11:17 *** chrisi [~chrisi@erft-4db7d1c7.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 22:17:50 *** tdev [~udev@p508EA532.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:19:45 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc337e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 22:28:46 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:31:58 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C02C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:33:46 *** [hta]specx [~opera@ip94-126-210-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:34:11 *** perk11 [~perk11@94.233.233.109] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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I'd say, no, but... 23:04:15 <planetmaker> they all have an 'engine'ID 23:04:22 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF82C2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:05:47 <Rubidium> adding sorting and filtering? 23:06:27 <glx> wagons and engines are the same thing, just a different type 23:07:22 <planetmaker> glx: yes, internally 23:07:50 <Rubidium> vehicle model type is just so long 23:07:51 <planetmaker> But if a help text speaks of 'engines' when I'm replacing wagons it definitely feels wrong 23:08:08 <glx> aircraft, ships and road vehicles are also engines ;) 23:08:22 <planetmaker> that doesn't make more sense either 23:08:23 <Rubidium> planetmaker: what if it's a powered wagon? 23:08:32 <planetmaker> still not an engine ;-) 23:08:50 <Rubidium> planetmaker: so you want to replace EngineID with "Vehicle model type ID/index"? 23:09:07 <glx> and rename Engine class ? 23:09:22 <Rubidium> glx: nah, that's just internal 23:09:24 <glx> and files ;) 23:10:15 <planetmaker> no. I just want to have the user displayed 'engine' if we replace an engine, 'wagon' for wagon replacement and 'road vehicle', 'plane' or 'ship' respectively 23:10:43 <Rubidium> and... what for the "buy vehicle" window? 23:11:07 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-224-240.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:11:09 <planetmaker> that's the alternative: not speaking of 'engine', 'wagon'... but of general 'vehicle' 23:11:37 <Rubidium> although I don't see where engine is used in the autoreplace window 23:11:45 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-139-159.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 23:11:58 <planetmaker> Rubidium: the help text for both window parts 23:12:07 <planetmaker> tooltip 23:12:21 <Rubidium> oh... so *that* bothers you 23:12:24 <glx> you can check e->rail.railveh_type 23:12:36 <planetmaker> yes 23:12:41 <Rubidium> and the "EngineID" in the "buy vehicle" window isn't something you noticed? 23:12:43 <planetmaker> nothing more 23:12:59 <Belugas> [16:45] <@Rubidium> and go to bed early and don't wake up until the alarm goes <- thanks for teh advice ! I'll put it to work in about... say... 2 hours! 23:14:41 <planetmaker> well... Rubidium it indeed doesn't bother me. I have a universal German translation: "Baureihe". That suits both, engine and wagon 23:15:22 <planetmaker> I started off from wondering whether I translated crap. But the English is no better with the help text. 23:17:40 <Rubidium> what would be a suitable name for one part of a train? 23:18:45 <planetmaker> vehicle 23:19:02 <Belugas> wagon 23:19:14 <planetmaker> Belugas: including an engine? 23:19:21 <Belugas> platform on wheel 23:19:24 <Belugas> motorized or not 23:19:30 <Rubidium> planetmaker: yes 23:19:49 <Rubidium> "if replacing the vehicle would make the train longer." <- doesn't feel good 23:20:15 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc337e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:20:58 <Rubidium> translation is going to become a real mess though 23:21:32 <Rubidium> because you'll get vehicle as in Ship, Train, Aircraft, Road vehicle (Truck/Bus/Tram) 23:22:02 <Rubidium> and vehicle as in Ship, Engine, Wagon, Aircraft, Road Vehicle 23:22:44 <Rubidium> and then you'll also have a "type" of them as meta-model 23:22:50 <planetmaker> Well. I have less problem with "if replacing the vehicle would make the train longer" than with wagons referred to as engines 23:23:05 <Belugas> the "unit" only, maybe 23:23:12 <Belugas> making it abstract as possible 23:23:20 <planetmaker> In my feeling vehicle is anything with wheels, a broad general thing 23:23:50 <Rubidium> i.e. you've got a vehicle window (vehicle) and a vehicle list (per vehicle type) 23:24:35 <Rubidium> you've got the indiviual parts of a train + rv + ship + aircraft (vehicle) and the stuff in the "buy vehicle window" (basically vehicle types) 23:25:02 <Rubidium> and we had this fun with players as well..., so I rather not have it with vehicles as well 23:25:05 <planetmaker> yes... 23:25:20 <planetmaker> but that'd be correct, no? 23:25:33 *** chrisi [~chrisi@erft-4db7d1c7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:25:51 <Rubidium> Belugas' suggestion makes some sense though, at least for the string that worries me 23:25:55 <planetmaker> like trains, RV, ships, aircraft are vehicle types. Each of them is an individual vehicle 23:26:25 <planetmaker> yes... it's better than now. 23:26:41 <Rubidium> planetmaker: but then calling the stuff in the autoreplace window vehicles as well, when they're actually more like vehicle types is confusing 23:26:46 <planetmaker> though for some reason I don't feel quite happy with it... I can't so far tell exactly why 23:26:50 <Rubidium> especially because you've got two vehicle types that aren't the same 23:27:23 <planetmaker> Rubidium: yes... there it needs to be talked about as vehicle type. not vehicle 23:28:27 <Rubidium> "See a list of available engine designs for this vehicle type." <- that would be the nasties string I'd say 23:29:03 <Rubidium> as engine would become vehicle type, or vehicle model... but then we have to use vehicle model consistently 23:30:54 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D94F9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... Der, der blÀht, als hinterster geht!] 23:31:20 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-24-228-29.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:31:24 <planetmaker> see a list of available models for this vehicle type 23:31:41 <planetmaker> yes... consistently... 23:31:50 <Rubidium> so replace engine with model 23:34:26 <Wolf01> 'night all 23:34:35 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host138-20-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:35:13 <planetmaker> sounds like a plan 23:35:37 <planetmaker> but first some sleep. 23:39:53 *** tdev [~udev@p508EA532.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: free open source vehicle simulator: http://rigsofrods.com] 23:43:04 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC3D9B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!] 23:56:57 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.18.5.195] has quit [Quit: ãããã¿] 23:57:54 *** Chillosophy [~fu@82-170-139-109.ip.telfort.nl] has quit []