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00:01:18 <raisin> etc 00:01:32 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:01:49 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 00:08:32 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.0.103.190] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2] 00:11:00 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B7488D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:12:18 *** fjb [~frank@p5485ABFE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:12:38 *** fjb [~frank@p5485ABFE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:15:05 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8f70d.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:16:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7488D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:23:08 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:23:35 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 00:27:07 <nicfer> is someone working/thinking on multiple climates maps? 00:27:27 <nicfer> or did that project went abandon? 00:27:51 <SmatZ> I think it was abandoned with MiniIN 00:27:52 <SmatZ> or so 00:35:14 <nicfer> I don't remember it even on the 'miniin' 00:39:34 <Rubidium> nah... nothing is abandoned with MiniIN. MiniIN was abandoned because all stuff it depended on was basically abandoned; no new/updated/fixed patches. 00:40:14 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@92.1.129.132] has quit [Quit: Don't follow me] 00:40:18 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:46:14 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 00:46:14 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:46:17 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 00:48:07 <glx> Rubidium: and because we were forced to be the 2 only "maintainers" each time a big change happened in trunk ;) 00:48:12 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@92.1.129.132] has joined #openttd 00:53:01 *** raisin [4747df09@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 00:57:56 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 01:03:51 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 01:07:52 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 01:08:41 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 01:10:01 <Eddi|zuHause> <German>Nach dem zufall erzeugtes Diagramm mit weniger uninhabitable Gelände.</German> <-- ok, which idiot did shove that through an online translator? 01:12:18 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:12:18 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 01:17:36 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: what does that mean? 01:18:04 *** fjb [~frank@p5485ABFE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:18:25 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: aside from total garbage, it originally meant "create a random map with fewer uninhabitable terrain" 01:18:36 <SmatZ> by chance made diagram with less uninhabitable land? 01:18:54 <SmatZ> :) 01:20:10 <Eddi|zuHause> changed it to "<German>Zufallskarte mit weniger unbewohnbarem Gelände.</German>" now... 01:21:11 <SmatZ> sounds better 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[~sara@cpc5-sgyl30-2-0-cust61.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 08:27:13 <Terkhen> good morning 08:37:13 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C45B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:37:18 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:57:36 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:d908:36fc:d5bc:908f] has joined #openttd 08:58:50 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:00:31 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.12.206] has joined #openttd 09:02:38 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:03:10 * peter1138 ponders the feasability of a VGA -> SCART connection 09:03:47 <TomyLobo> probably needs complicated circuitry 09:04:51 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:04:51 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 09:05:17 <__ln__> not necessarily, but i doubt if it's worth the trouble 09:05:20 *** duckblaster [~duckblast@202-65-54-14.xdsl.net.oyster.net.ck] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:05:48 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:05:49 <__ln__> besides SCART is a french invention 09:06:34 <peter1138> should be fine with the correct timings 09:06:52 <peter1138> SCART is just RGB + sync after all 09:07:10 <TomyLobo> are you sure? 09:07:11 <peter1138> hmm 09:07:12 <peter1138> yes 09:07:16 <TomyLobo> i thought it was composite 09:07:42 <peter1138> it can carry composite as well 09:07:48 <__ln__> and s-video 09:07:52 <peter1138> there are a lot of pins on a SCART socket... 09:07:59 <TomyLobo> ah 09:08:00 <__ln__> and audio 09:08:16 <peter1138> originally it was audio, composite and RGB 09:09:27 <TomyLobo> the USA doesn't use SCART? i wonder what they use instead 09:09:32 <peter1138> the RGB output on a BBC was suitable, although needed to be pulled down from TTL 09:09:35 <peter1138> the USA suck though 09:09:37 <peter1138> +s 09:09:51 <peter1138> that's why they think component is great 09:09:57 <peter1138> becuase they never had RGB SCART 09:10:06 <peter1138> it's all moot with hdmi though 09:10:25 <TomyLobo> ah that's why that sells so well over there 09:11:00 <peter1138> well component can do progressive which rgb scart doesn't 09:11:47 * peter1138 , alas, only has a widescreen "SD" telly 09:14:19 *** TomyLobo [~foo@port-212-202-171-176.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: A key, command, or action that tells the system to return to a previous state or stop a process.] 09:15:21 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@188.109.240.198] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:16:24 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@188.109.240.198] has joined #openttd 09:20:36 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:20:36 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:20:39 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 09:20:47 *** Moses 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#openttd 10:43:13 <Alberth> Moses: in the difficulty setting you can set the loan, not sure about the range though 10:44:58 <Moses> yeah i know but it doesnt go lower than 200k Euro 10:46:19 <keikoz> maybee try changing it directly in the openttd.cfg ? 10:48:52 <Yexo> that won't work 10:49:17 <keikoz> yep, I just tried, it doesn't 10:49:23 <Yexo> settings are validated and clamped to valid values when read from openttd.cfg, and the minimum value is 100kpounds = 200k euro 10:49:38 <Moses> no way to change that? 10:49:39 <Yexo> there is no way to change that except by modifying the source code 10:49:45 <Moses> ah k. 10:49:53 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:50:56 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:52:01 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:52:01 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 10:53:28 <keikoz> changing that would be enough ? : {7, 3, 3, 100000, 4, 1, 3, 2, 0, 2, 3, 2, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2}, ///< hard 10:54:10 <keikoz> (settings.cpp) 10:55:13 <Rubidium> probably not 10:56:20 <Yexo> no, you need to change this line from table/settings.h: 10:56:20 <Yexo> SDT_CONDVAR(GameSettings, difficulty.max_loan, SLE_UINT32, 97, SL_MAX_VERSION, 0,NS|CR,300000,100000,500000,50000,STR_NULL, DifficultyChange), 10:56:31 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D95B6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:56:41 <Yexo> those values are in pounds, so if you want to have 50k euro you need to change the 100000 to 25000 10:57:43 <Eddi|zuHause> which is silly, because you can only lend in steps of 10k pounds, or 20k euro. so either 20000 or 30000... 10:58:23 <Eddi|zuHause> and you probably also need to adjust the initial loan on game start 11:01:59 <keikoz> ok 11:06:50 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.11] has joined #openttd 11:08:06 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 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*find 14:08:47 <Belugas> __ln__, no, he's a hear, can't you read? 14:08:48 <Belugas> hehehehe 14:09:39 <__ln__> that's right 14:11:06 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:12:07 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:12:07 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 14:17:56 <Moses> can i stop building new industry in a scenario? 14:18:19 <Moses> from time to time there come new industrys, i dont want that. 14:19:02 <Alberth1> old industries die every now and then, don't you want replacements? 14:20:04 <Moses> no i dont want replacements 14:21:33 <Yexo> the only way to do that is by writing a newgrf that stops new industries from being build during the game 14:22:42 <Moses> k thx 14:22:51 <Yexo> do you already use an industry newgrf? 14:22:55 <Moses> no 14:23:05 <Moses> dont use any newgrf till now 14:31:29 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined 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(for example the "SH 8P" locomotive in the year 2050)? 14:53:04 <Terkhen> use the "Vehicles never expire" advanced option 14:53:07 <Yexo> you can set "vehicles never expire" to on 14:53:14 <undef> ah 14:53:55 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:54:09 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:54:14 <undef> but this doesnt work for vehicles who are already expired? 14:54:26 <Yexo> type "resetengines' in the console 14:54:30 <Yexo> after enabling the setting 14:55:39 <undef> wow 14:55:40 <undef> cool 14:55:41 <undef> thank you! 15:09:25 <Eddi|zuHause> (or click "apply" in the newgrf settings, that runs "resetengines" as well) 15:10:39 <Eddi|zuHause> and why would you need an SH 8P in 2050? 15:10:47 <Eddi|zuHause> there are way better engines than that... 15:10:58 *** CIA-2 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 15:14:30 <Belugas> because it's unrealistic :) 15:15:34 <Eddi|zuHause> Belugas: i mean, questions like that often indicate "hasn't found the button to switch rail types yet" 15:15:53 <Belugas> ho... 15:15:54 <Belugas> right 15:15:57 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:16:03 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:16:05 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 15:18:06 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: obviously for the museum lines with tourists! 15:18:23 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.11.36] has joined #openttd 15:18:44 <Alberth1> as long as they don't know you can simply buy them from a manufacturer :) 15:23:08 *** fmauneko [~fmauneko@88.166.241.226] has joined #openttd 15:24:33 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@93.21.11.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:25:18 *** chrisi [~chrisi@node29.vpn.uni-jena.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:28:52 <Rubidium> but you're not buying them form the manufacturer; they are delivered way too fast for that 15:29:53 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~Br33z4hSl@92.68.154.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:30:30 <Alberth1> he keeps enough stock for quick delivery 15:37:45 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:37:45 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:37:49 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 15:42:06 *** CIA-2 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:42:21 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 15:44:49 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f485f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:47:03 *** fmauneko [~fmauneko@88.166.241.226] has quit [Quit: fmauneko] 15:50:52 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-224-240.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:54:32 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@93.21.11.147] has joined #openttd 15:55:43 <Moses> join CÂŽs Hard Game and be suprised how hard this game can be! 15:56:28 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:58:17 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 16:00:41 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.11.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:00:49 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:01:34 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:01:34 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 16:04:58 *** amiralul [~claudiu@tei4-ap2.bizarnet.ro] has joined #openttd 16:11:48 <undef> Eddi|zuHause, das war nur ein beispiel :D 16:13:54 <andythenorth> we just DOSed our own box :P 16:13:59 <andythenorth> blearghh 16:14:03 <andythenorth> back to work 16:17:52 *** CIA-2 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 16:22:29 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:22:35 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:24:35 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c352.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:26:07 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C45B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:30:09 <peter1138> hurr, well, all my dl*() code works :D 16:31:51 *** lllugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d4a7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:37:12 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089077244008.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 16:40:35 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=49470 <-- that entire concept sounds kinda wrong... 16:40:35 *** Daw [59f8f407@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 16:42:39 <Daw> Hi, I have one question.. is there any way how can I disable "Cargo distribution" addon in OpenTTD? (I'm using chill's patchpack v8 precompiled) 16:43:17 <Eddi|zuHause> Daw: set the routing algorithm (symmetric/asymmetric/manual) to "manual" 16:43:19 *** George is now known as Guest215 16:43:23 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 16:44:33 <Daw> you mean in Link graph settings?:) There I have 5 settings with this options 16:45:01 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, set all of them to manual 16:48:20 <Daw> Ok.. question #2: Must I have new station due to it ?:D 16:49:10 <Daw> My plane is still waiting for some passangers although there i have around 800 pass... 16:49:25 <Eddi|zuHause> it'll sort itself out eventually, i presume 16:49:39 *** Guest215 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:50:14 <Eddi|zuHause> it doesn't immediately drop everything, but new cargo won't get a destination 16:50:25 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:50:43 <Daw> Damn.. thats logical :) Ok I'll test it :) Thanks a lot!! :) 16:53:49 <keikoz> take care about symetric/asymmetric -> manual, if its done while playing, it can lead to weird results 16:54:35 <keikoz> I did it once in an also great network once, and I had to clean all links in order to convert them to manual :x 16:56:10 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 16:56:12 <Daw> So is it better to do it in new map without station? Damn.. thats hurt .. -_- 16:56:19 <ntx> is there anyway to center the minimap on your current location? 16:56:23 <Daw> stations* 16:56:35 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:56:36 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 16:57:14 <keikoz> I don't know if it is "normal" behaviour or a bug, but while a link is started as symetric/asymetric, seems it stays like this until the link is cleaned 16:57:51 <Eddi|zuHause> keikoz, Daw: if it really works like rthat, you should report that as bug to the cargodist thread 16:58:07 <keikoz> Eddi|zuHause : that's exactly what I was thinking about :) 16:58:19 <keikoz> will do it when i've some time 16:59:10 <Daw> I read a lot of pages but nowhere wasn't how can I turn off this thing :D 16:59:44 <Alberth1> ntx: the map button in the minimap 17:01:08 <Daw> I think that everybody is happy with that just I have problem because its harder to orientation 17:02:11 <Eddi|zuHause> Daw: i think passengers without destination are extremely boring 17:02:11 <Alberth1> not many users explore more than one setting 17:03:20 <keikoz> well I will do that report 17:06:39 <Daw> You are right but I'm playing ttd just occasionally so it's sufficient for me 17:06:44 <Daw> thanks keikoz :) 17:09:53 <keikoz> Done. 17:12:25 <Daw> Hmm You were right, I destroyed station, wait until the name dissapear than build exactly the same station and now there is only "cargo via ANY station" and nothing else 17:13:06 <Daw> so now i'm gonna to do it with every stations.. aaghrr... =) 17:13:17 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:13:49 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 17:14:16 <keikoz> Eddi|zuHause : I agree 17:14:34 <keikoz> I couldn't play anymore without destinations, that make the game an entire different challenge 17:14:49 <keikoz> more interesting to organize 17:15:48 <keikoz> necessity to consider the different implications of a big network dispatching, hubbing and so on 17:17:28 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:17:38 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-224-240.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:17:39 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:18:40 <Daw> I'm happy that I know how use PSB signals so i'm on lower level than you :D 17:19:00 <Daw> pbs* 17:19:02 <Daw> -_- 17:21:03 <Daw> I'm using chills pack just thanks to copy and paste function 17:21:32 <Daw> this is the most important thing for me now =) 17:23:04 <Eddi|zuHause> i never had a use for that feature 17:24:33 <Daw> I'm using it mainly for this layout: http://wiki.openttd.org/images/4/41/Pbs_3track.png 17:27:20 <Hirundo> You're better off using either 2 or 4 tracks, IMO 17:27:44 <Eddi|zuHause> i mostly use 2-tracks, only rarely i need 3 17:27:57 <Eddi|zuHause> mostly you go directly to 2, to separate slow from fast trains 17:28:02 <Eddi|zuHause> *to 4 17:28:34 <Hirundo> Unless your train speeds vary greatly but the amount of traffic is low, 3 tracks isn't really worth the hassle 17:31:56 <Daw> I was expecting it that this is not good solution and I agree..I use it on not so "busy" network.. In other case i'm using this type but with 4 rails (2 one-way and 2 both-ways) 17:32:59 <keikoz> I tried this layout, it didnt worked 17:33:08 <keikoz> I couldn't manage to correctly set the pathfinder 17:34:25 <Daw> I had to adjust pf.yapf.rail_pbs_signal_back_penalty and now it seems that its fine for me 17:36:12 <Daw> Keikoz.. i can just stop every plane, train and so on to destroy "links" between stations? Do I not have to destroy any stations? 17:37:19 <keikoz> no, just stop them (I sent them in the depots), and watch at the linkgraph; when the corresponding links are deleted (it can take a while) you can restart them 17:37:25 <Daw> omg my english is so horrible :D sorry for that :( 17:37:40 <Daw> thanks a lot :) 17:37:44 <keikoz> oh, me too 17:38:06 <keikoz> english is dominating the world, they can *also* exspect everybody to speak it correctly :) 17:38:14 <keikoz> s/can/can't/ 17:38:49 <__ln__> *expect 17:38:55 <keikoz> :/ 17:40:06 <Alberth1> We don't expect that, just try to do the best you can. You'll get better with more practice :) 17:40:23 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f485f.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:41:02 <Daw> The main thing is that we understand each other :) 17:41:23 <keikoz> That's what I do, I'm even happy when people correct me (I consider that as a advantage). 17:43:36 <Daw> Oh noo..everybody'll be busy with my sentences :D 17:44:01 <Daw> But yea... you're right :) 17:45:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r20240 /trunk/src/lang/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 17:45:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: belarusian - 3 changes by Wowanxm 17:45:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: chuvash - 50 changes by mefisteron 17:45:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: irish - 9 changes by tem 17:45:36 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: vietnamese - 17 changes by myquartz 17:50:04 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:52:25 *** TomyLobo [~foo@port-212-202-171-176.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 17:52:31 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:59:03 *** duckblaster [~duckblast@202-65-54-162.xdsl.net.oyster.net.ck] has joined #openttd 18:04:24 <Daw> Thanks for help and good bye:) 18:04:35 *** Daw [59f8f407@ircip1.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 18:05:42 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 18:08:39 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.11.80] has joined #openttd 18:08:54 <roboboy> can I get a commented copy of the openttdw.grf nfo? 18:10:04 <Rubidium> yes and no 18:11:09 <Rubidium> the sources for generating that nfo (with comments) can be found on svn /extra/something 18:13:33 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:14:09 <orospakr> Rubidium, hey, I have a bit of a question for you. I'm trying to find out more about ZodTTD, as he appears to be violating the GPL license of a few projects. As I understand it, he did an iPhone port of OpenTTD some months back, and there was some disagreement with OpenTTD upstream. What happened there, exactly? 18:14:39 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@93.21.11.147] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:15:24 <Rubidium> he failed to supply the full source (some files were missing) and he failed to attach the required license files 18:16:41 <orospakr> heh. sounds about right. 18:16:45 <Rubidium> as there wasn't much reply coming from zodttd I sent an email to Apple which (almost) immediately removed it and then he woke up and started a whole compaign that we were stupid and such 18:16:56 <Rubidium> http://www.zodttd.com/wp/2010/04/open-up-openttd-to-apple-devices/ <- that one 18:17:10 <orospakr> yeah, I read his blog post. I smelled bullshit on account of the other license violations on his part that I'm looking into. 18:17:54 <orospakr> He's partnered up with another guy ("YongZH", iirc) who's been putting similar tricks with Android ports of various free software emulators. 18:19:14 <Rubidium> I'm still waiting on ZodTTD for his opinion on Apple itself violating GPL by their Terms of Service; I've tried to contact him several times here 18:19:32 <Rubidium> but never got a reply and I'm still not sure what to do 18:20:01 <Rubidium> orospakr: basically http://www.ipodnn.com/articles/10/05/27/apple.removes.gnu.go.game.app.makes.no.comment/ 18:20:13 <Eddi|zuHause> i should have known better than to buy a "microsoft" mouse... 18:20:29 <Eddi|zuHause> it's so badly manufactured... 18:20:31 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: you started reading the RSI disclaimer? 18:20:55 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-36-209.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:20:59 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: no, it broke after half a year, and then i replaced it, and the next one is also on the brink of collapsing... 18:21:25 * orospakr is very sad about how much iphone and android user communities don't understand free software, or even just copyright and licensing, for that matter. Precisely nobody has called him on this, except for you guys. 18:21:36 <orospakr> but I'm going offtopic there ;) 18:21:50 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: Logitech mouses start misbehaving after 5 years as well... apparantly their cables can't handle the amount of mousing I occasionally do 18:22:01 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Quit: Quit] 18:22:10 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: 5 years != 6 months... 18:22:23 <Rubidium> still... it broke! 18:22:43 <Eddi|zuHause> the store will totally look at me weirdly if i return it 4 times during the warranty period... 18:22:47 <andythenorth> evening 18:22:49 <Rubidium> although my old laptop is starting to "break" as well; some pixels are always on 18:22:58 * andythenorth broke his trackpad somehow 18:23:09 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-101-135.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 18:23:12 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 18:23:14 <andythenorth> of course, the button can't be broken as it doesn't have one :P 18:23:22 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: no... I've got some "badroom fan" and that gets returned every few months because it shorted once again 18:23:22 <andythenorth> probably clicking all those fricking pixels into place :P 18:23:38 <Rubidium> they don't even bother looking how often it got returned 18:24:04 <Eddi|zuHause> there's some kind of leather-like-covering on the mouse wheel, and it completely falls apart... 18:24:07 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 18:24:13 <Rubidium> orospakr: free software "legal" debates are generally not that off-topic in here 18:24:23 <orospakr> heh, cool. 18:24:37 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: not as off-topic than most other topics here :p 18:25:05 <Eddi|zuHause> like... that colonization is a cute game, but it very quickly gets boring... 18:28:00 <orospakr> ZodTTD and YongZH *have* posted source for some of their emulator ports, but it's often old/incomplete (I haven't tested them all, to be fair). However, some are just missing entirely, like the new "psx4droid" PSX emulator for Android (it's actually a port of PCSX, but he doesn't mention this at all). I ran strings(1) on his binaries in order to confirm my suspicions. 18:28:25 <orospakr> And the PCSX upstream is kind of dead these days (it dates from the early 2000s), so the trail there is cold. How convenient for him. 18:28:35 * orospakr is going to try to track down some of the folks he's ripping off. 18:28:54 <Belugas> resistance is futile, we will assimilate you 18:29:07 <Belugas> ho.... too many lines added since then.... 18:29:17 <Rubidium> Belugas: talking of that... how was your bible study? 18:29:34 <Belugas> 2 only mentionned my dear :) 18:29:40 <Belugas> 2 of each that is... 18:29:42 <Belugas> noble or not 18:30:01 *** NoBrainHere [~yuraconst@178.34.32.89] has joined #openttd 18:30:17 <Belugas> so i have no idea where your 7 comes from 18:30:24 <Rubidium> Belugas: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+7&version=ESV 18:30:31 <Belugas> note taht at one point in time, quantity was not even mentionned... 18:30:35 <NoBrainHere> Hi. Is there a difference between original_dos and original_windows graphics? 18:30:36 * Belugas chakes 18:30:38 <Belugas> checks 18:31:01 <Belugas> Palette used, NoBrainHere. or so i think 18:31:40 <Rubidium> orospakr: do you know what license PCSX has? 18:31:45 <orospakr> Rubidium, GPLv2. 18:32:02 <Eddi|zuHause> orospakr: the problem is, legally, you can't just follow up on other people's license breaking. you need to have the rights to the original program in the first place. 18:32:20 <NoBrainHere> I got a copy of TTD4win from rapidshare, and it didn't work. When I specified it as a "ttd folder" in ottd setup, I got original_windows graphics/sounds/music 18:32:38 <orospakr> Eddi|zuHause, yeah, well aware. 18:33:42 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i thought we wanted to ban this guy? 18:34:10 <Rubidium> I would've expected the +q to do its trick 18:34:23 <Belugas> mmmh... interesting, Rubidium. quite 18:34:44 <NoBrainHere> Just ban the entire SouthTeleCom DSL pool. 18:35:36 <roboboy> which file from http://svn.openttd.org/extra/ottd_grf/split/ would contain the two extra bridges assuming they are implemented via GRF? 18:35:47 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:36:01 <Rubidium> roboboy: neither; they're just the same bridge with recolouring 18:36:11 <Eddi|zuHause> roboboy: i presume it's just recolouring 18:36:29 <roboboy> so no nfo to do the recolouring? 18:37:18 <Rubidium> Belugas: the French bible seems to suggest the "sept" number as well, though my French isn't as good as my English :) 18:37:24 <Rubidium> Belugas: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%207&version=LSG 18:37:27 <Eddi|zuHause> recolouring is usually done with the company colour sprites 18:38:46 <Rubidium> orospakr: you are aware of the "forks" of PCSX? 18:38:54 <Belugas> yeah..there seems to be different versions, Rubidium 18:38:55 <Belugas> http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%206&version=ESV 18:38:58 <Belugas> here, it's 2 18:39:28 <Rubidium> Belugas: but that isn't Genesis 7, that's Genesis 6. I would assume that 7 overrides 6 :) 18:39:45 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe you should all read http://www.ancienttexts.org/library/mesopotamian/gilgamesh/tab11.htm 18:39:46 <Belugas> hehehe... i would not say that ;) 18:40:11 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:40:32 <Rubidium> orospakr: e.g PCSX-reloaded is still active (which is a fork of PCSX-df which is a fork of PCSX) 18:40:42 <orospakr> Rubidium, aha! 18:41:01 <orospakr> good to know. 18:41:04 <Belugas> thanks Eddi|zuHause :) 18:41:14 <Belugas> and.. no numbers! 18:41:20 <Belugas> just... get me some beasts! 18:41:41 <Belugas> Rubidium, i'm not sure what those versions stand for, to be honest 18:42:18 <orospakr> Rubidium, I'll have to sleuth some more and see if ZodTTD used the original PCSX code, or stuff from -df or -reloaded. 18:42:51 <Rubidium> if it's the latter, then they'll fairly certainly be still active (given the commits that were made today) 18:42:53 <Belugas> hoo.. these are different books! 18:42:57 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 18:43:04 <orospakr> Rubidium, that's what I'm hoping for. ;) 18:46:00 <Belugas> so this it why i could not find that book, i stopped at the 6th and scratched my head 18:46:08 <Belugas> so.. more readings tonight :D 18:46:33 <NoBrainHere> ok, here's a hint on how to block those like me. Use a mod of qwebirc as chat gateway. Make the chat a forum "service page". Make the QWEBIRC mod use "realname" for a permit code. Make a bot that only allows those with a valid permit code. Ban my entire pool and all Russian email providers from registering on your forum. 18:48:25 <NoBrainHere> |:)| 18:48:43 *** Nemic [~Nemic@f055003222.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:49:09 <Nemic> hi 18:49:43 <NoBrainHere> Hi, Nemic. What's your (O)TT(D) problem? 18:50:15 <Nemic> is anyone in here who could help me with setting up 3ds max 18:50:34 <Eddi|zuHause> Belugas: the epic of gilgamesh is one of the oldest existing written story on earth. way older than the bible 18:50:38 *** duckblaster [~duckblast@202-65-54-162.xdsl.net.oyster.net.ck] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:50:50 <__ln__> i thought 3ds max is some kind of a 3d modelling application. 18:50:55 <NoBrainHere> wrong channel, Nemic. This is about http://openttd.org 18:51:06 <Rubidium> Nemic: I haven't seen people discussing 3ds max here 18:51:43 <Nemic> yes i asking because i want to start modeling a 32bit vehicle for the new graphics 18:51:46 <NoBrainHere> Rubidium, how were the isometric models for OTTD made? 18:52:07 <Eddi|zuHause> Nemic: maybe you should try the 32bpp forum? 18:52:35 <Nemic> and I'm not sure if I should do the modeling with the lightscene or if I could import the model into this given scene just du render it 18:52:36 <Eddi|zuHause> Nemic: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewforum.php?f=36 18:52:49 <__ln__> Nemic: Let me guess you downloaded it and now you need to set up a crack in order to run it? 18:53:22 <Belugas> indeed Eddi|zuHause. And even earlier, you have Enuma Elish, which is the oldest (to date) text of the genesis of the world 18:54:42 <Belugas> which influenced the "holy" writings of a few religions, past and present 18:54:48 <NoBrainHere> I don't bother with 3dmax and other metacreeps 18:55:10 <Eddi|zuHause> Belugas: hm... i believe 2500BC is way earlier than 800BC ;) 18:55:19 <Eddi|zuHause> so you might have your order mixed up ;) 18:55:29 <Belugas> ? 18:55:34 <Nemic> thanks for the link, I thought that a modeler is in here who could answer my question 18:55:39 <Nemic> I'll try it there 18:56:37 <Eddi|zuHause> Belugas: wikipedia Gilgamesh Epic was written down around 2500BC, and Enuma Elish was written down around 800BC 18:56:44 <Belugas> mmh 18:56:44 <Eddi|zuHause> *according to 18:56:45 <Belugas> right 18:56:49 <Belugas> sorry 18:56:52 <NoBrainHere> why bother with 32bit gfx? to attract so-called "modern gamers" that think "1995? STFU!"... 18:57:00 <Belugas> i was wrong 18:57:23 <Belugas> wow... my beliefs are all upside down now 18:57:36 <Nemic> I found what I was lokking for, bye 18:57:50 <NoBrainHere> =.= 18:57:54 <fjb> Just stop believing. 18:58:01 *** Nemic [~Nemic@f055003222.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~] 18:58:45 <Eddi|zuHause> there's nothing against believing... people without beliefs are dead... 18:58:47 <andythenorth> don't stop...believing 18:59:01 <Eddi|zuHause> problem starts when people get fanatic about their beliefs 18:59:08 <fjb> But religions are a bad invention. 18:59:15 <andythenorth> uh oh 18:59:24 * andythenorth senses the religious equivalent of godwin 18:59:31 <Eddi|zuHause> no, they are not. they're just not as optimal as they could be... 18:59:48 <andythenorth> writing code for a game about trains anyone? 18:59:53 <andythenorth> or even for OTTD? 19:00:30 <Eddi|zuHause> fjb: if there were no religions, people would find other reasons to bang their heads... that's not the proof that religions are bad... 19:00:38 <andythenorth> how about some ponies :P 19:00:39 <andythenorth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=46689 19:00:48 <Belugas> i agree with Eddi|zuHause 19:00:57 <Belugas> he knows more than me, so it must be true 19:01:01 <Belugas> buwahahha 19:01:10 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause: They would have some reasons less to do so. That would be an improvement. 19:01:13 <NoBrainHere> "OMG DAT GRL WEARIN' BIKINI! BURN HER!" Eddi|zuHause, this? 19:02:05 <Alberth1> andythenorth: I was playing an openttd game 19:02:15 <andythenorth> was it good? 19:02:26 <andythenorth> Alberth1: have those pesky developers finished it yet? 19:02:36 <andythenorth> WHEN WILL IT BE DONE!!!???!! 19:02:59 <Alberth1> nah, it is just some intermediate version 19:03:05 <lennard> where are the big changelog links? 19:03:13 <Alberth1> I think they will never finish it 19:03:14 <NoBrainHere> it was 70% when it got named 1.0 just out-of-nothing (by getting a full replacement set). 19:03:27 <lennard> drats, hidden at download after all 19:03:30 <andythenorth> Alberth1: have they replaced the crappy graphics yet? 19:03:50 <NoBrainHere> all except window patterns 19:03:50 <Alberth1> partly, the opengfx are better 19:04:18 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc2668.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:04:24 <NoBrainHere> window paterns are still dmn old cr4p, and idk if it's in grf or core 19:04:27 <Alberth1> I was looking at the scale2x algorithm, it is amazing quality imho 19:04:28 <NoBrainHere> patterns * 19:06:21 * NoBrainHere waits for open Master of Magic 19:07:12 <andythenorth> Alberth1: haz they done underground yet? 19:07:24 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc2668.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:07:28 <andythenorth> also is there some plce I can vote on features? 19:08:06 <andythenorth> also why is it not in 3D plz? 19:08:16 * NoBrainHere is ready to explode 19:08:22 <andythenorth> can't they just use the unreal tournament engine? 19:08:43 <andythenorth> in my comp sci class we made a 3D engine in like...1 hour 19:08:53 <Eddi|zuHause> EgoTTD! 19:10:24 <andythenorth> this game sux 19:10:28 <andythenorth> I'm leaving! 19:10:42 <SpComb> Egoted 19:10:51 <NoBrainHere> andy, shut the xeen up and slug off before you explode like a frog 19:11:40 <andythenorth> why so mean to newbs? 19:11:53 <NoBrainHere> because of saying "it sucks" 19:12:23 <andythenorth> well everything sucks to some extent ;) 19:12:32 <NoBrainHere> typical 3dmaniac, "modern gamer". CS1.6 is your game. 19:12:38 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, civ totally sucks as well :p 19:13:12 <NoBrainHere> I hate CS1.6, it's the symbol of 3d-craze of modern gamers 19:15:08 <Belugas> mmh... 19:15:16 <Belugas> lego.com sucks at being so expensive 19:16:04 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:16:39 <Eddi|zuHause> awfully colourful that page 19:17:20 <andythenorth> Belugas: trying to buy something nice? 19:17:44 <Eddi|zuHause> and not really konqueror-friendly either... 19:17:49 <Belugas> rails 19:18:15 <Belugas> i want straight ones, but they only come with the curved ones 19:18:24 <Belugas> i have plenty of curved 19:18:36 <andythenorth> straight ones are *really* expensive on bricklink 19:18:37 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:18:43 <Belugas> ueah 19:18:49 <andythenorth> like way out of proportion to cost of buying a box 19:18:51 <Belugas> 2$ and more EACH 19:19:15 <andythenorth> I figured I could buy 10 boxes, sell half on bricklink and the rest would be paid for :P 19:20:00 <Belugas> hehehe 19:20:04 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 19:20:08 <Belugas> i'm sure that's what dome do :) 19:20:47 <Eddi|zuHause> weren't there like a box of flextracks or so? 19:20:50 <andythenorth> one piece straight track....average sale price last 6 months: £1.77 19:21:03 <andythenorth> Price of a box of 8 straight, 8 curved from lego £10.99 19:21:21 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 8*1.77 19:21:21 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 14.16 19:22:15 <andythenorth> Belugas: just make really curved tracks :P 19:22:17 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe you should just switch to H0 tracks... those cost 1⬠per piece 19:22:42 <andythenorth> curved track: avg sale price on bricklink: £0.29 19:22:49 <Belugas> flextrax are not good 19:22:57 <Belugas> very bad 19:23:05 * andythenorth disagrees.... 19:23:15 <andythenorth> good for not worrying about track geometry 19:23:20 <andythenorth> bad for trains slipping on them 19:23:27 <andythenorth> I use 1-2 pieces to fill gaps 19:23:50 <NoBrainHere> ooo 19:23:54 <Belugas> slipping and "choking" and... 19:23:55 <Eddi|zuHause> so... why are straight tracks so extremely expensive? 19:23:58 <Belugas> not even good looking@ 19:24:13 <Belugas> maybe because they are more wanted 19:24:37 <NoBrainHere> model railroad talks... on a channel for gentoo-ttd 19:24:42 <Eddi|zuHause> i should start buying packs, and selling the individual tracks for a win ;) 19:24:52 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: sell them to me :P 19:24:59 <andythenorth> hmm that plan is flawed :p 19:25:47 <andythenorth> there is a chinese company clones lego train tracks, they are cheaper 19:25:53 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: according to the numbers above, you should yield around 50% profit 19:25:58 <andythenorth> yup 19:25:59 *** NoBrainHere is now known as RagingTrashcan 19:26:06 <andythenorth> factored in shipping? 19:26:27 <Eddi|zuHause> not really ;) 19:26:39 <RagingTrashcan> Will there be a Toyota Coaster newgrf? 19:26:58 <Alberth1> if you make it, sure 19:26:59 <andythenorth> RagingTrashcan: well there's no law preventing it 19:27:05 <andythenorth> will there ever be anything? 19:27:06 <RagingTrashcan> Toyota Coaster carries 30 people. 19:27:11 * andythenorth ponders David Hume 19:27:18 <Belugas> Corrola ! 19:27:20 <Belugas> in red! 19:27:32 <Eddi|zuHause> Nichts ist unmöglich! 19:27:40 <RagingTrashcan> no individual transports. 19:27:48 <Belugas> booo! 19:30:17 <Belugas> What bugs me is that even 9v rails are expensive 19:30:32 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.telefonzellenmann.de/images/stories/tzm/garantieschein.jpg <-- very interesting date calculation ;) 19:30:51 <Belugas> it feels like there is no real possibility to get decent cheap rails, apart a good bargain on the street 19:31:30 <andythenorth> Belugas: I've conclude I'm just going to save my pennies and buy more Cargo Train sets :) 19:31:49 <andythenorth> that way I get a few straights *and a whole extra train* 19:31:54 <andythenorth> probably not economic :P 19:32:10 <andythenorth> I already have 3x more train than track 19:32:15 <Eddi|zuHause> "save 10 pounds by paying 40 more!" 19:32:24 <Belugas> good plan andythenorth 19:32:31 <Belugas> just a funcking expensive one! 19:33:07 <Eddi|zuHause> i should probably start over with N gauge 19:33:22 <Belugas> why? switch to lego and join the club! 19:33:26 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm way too addicted to complex track layouts! 19:33:40 <Eddi|zuHause> but with H0, they don't fit anywhere... 19:33:59 * peter1138 ponders the lamb 19:34:24 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db194d6.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:34:30 <andythenorth> buy the Cargo Train, sell the engine and wagons for $$$ on ebay? 19:34:30 <andythenorth> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Lego-city-7939-Cargo-Train-inc-2-mini-figs-NEW-/200493303134?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Construction_Toys_Kits&hash=item2eae55055e#ht_926wt_1139 19:34:41 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: get the Lego trains. 19:34:55 <andythenorth> the crashes are way more spectacular 19:34:56 <andythenorth> and way less expensive :P 19:35:58 <Eddi|zuHause> ca. EUR 91,21 <-- and where should i get those from? 19:36:10 <Forked> ebay, duh :p 19:36:44 <Eddi|zuHause> i can buy EUR from ebay? cool! :p 19:37:14 <Forked> well yes, by trading away items :) 19:37:15 <fjb> Get a water gun from eBay and rob a bank. 19:37:17 <RagingTrashcan> What minibus is the first bus of TTD modelled after? 19:37:43 <Eddi|zuHause> i should resell all those air guitars and WLAN cables i bought a while back... 19:38:03 <Belugas> andythenorth, which train set has the most tracks, from your knowledge? 19:38:33 *** KouDy [~KouDy@rb5ck203.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 19:39:14 <andythenorth> Belugas: conveniently Cargo Train box is in front of me :) 19:39:29 <andythenorth> 8x straights, 2x points, 16x curves, 16x flex track 19:39:38 <andythenorth> the passenger train has only curves I think? 19:40:03 <Belugas> there are soe straights from memory 19:40:13 <Belugas> flex track? mmh... 19:40:16 <andythenorth> mm 19:40:27 * Belugas will check for Emerald train 19:40:54 <RagingTrashcan> the last model tracks set I've seen - had like 12 curves, two steering splits and 2 crosses 19:41:16 <RagingTrashcan> x0_0x 19:41:40 <RagingTrashcan> it had a batery-powered loco. 19:41:41 <andythenorth> Belugas: no tracks in emerald night 19:41:51 <Belugas> bitch :( 19:42:07 <RagingTrashcan> battery * 19:42:10 <RagingTrashcan> damn kboard 19:42:28 <Belugas> try a keyboard, it has more keys ^_^ 19:42:28 *** izua [~izua@188.25.166.95] has joined #openttd 19:42:36 <izua> hello. 19:42:54 <andythenorth> Belugas: you can get the emerald night engine on ebay / bricklink quite cheaply 19:43:00 <andythenorth> people buy the set for the carriage only 19:43:01 <izua> i wish to disable the 1-year test drive message boxes. i can't find the setting. any tips? 19:43:20 <RagingTrashcan> this keyboard is lame. And it enrages me. 19:43:20 <SmatZ> hello izua, no 19:44:51 <Belugas> http://cgi.ebay.ca/Lego-9V-Electric-Train-38-Tracks-RAILS-Control-Parts-/320565888297 19:44:54 <Belugas> 2 19:45:01 <Belugas> just 2 small straight! 19:45:39 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.62.215] has joined #openttd 19:46:10 <andythenorth> Belugas: resign yourself to snakey tracks with lots of curves :P 19:46:15 <andythenorth> no racing straights :) 19:47:45 * andythenorth ran out of money for Lego and started playing OTTD again this week :) 19:48:07 * RagingTrashcan possesses Belugas (dungeon keeper fashion) and kills andythenorth. 19:48:49 * andythenorth shrugs 19:48:58 <andythenorth> and is...like....so not bovvered 19:49:22 * Belugas nods at andythenorth 19:49:54 <RagingTrashcan> you know, I'm an idiotic gamer 19:50:57 <Belugas> mhuwawawaw!!!! 19:50:59 <Belugas> http://cgi.ebay.ca/19-Lego-Electric-Train-Tracks-9V-9-VOLT-Straight-Tracks-/190424292272 19:51:29 <RagingTrashcan> ebay canada? 19:51:41 <Belugas> that would be... normal for me 19:51:50 <andythenorth> Belugas: you win 19:51:51 <RagingTrashcan> =._.= 19:52:08 <andythenorth> Belugas: watch the crazy AFOL train fans bid the price up to 0C :P 19:52:09 <Belugas> it's my wallt who will loose 19:52:20 <Belugas> yeah 19:52:55 <andythenorth> Belugas: considered just running the trains on the floor? Way cheaper.... 19:54:54 <RagingTrashcan> AndyTh~1, wow... retired lego-train fanboys go to this remake of a 1995ie? 19:55:11 <Belugas> not as cute... my son loves building crazy track layout 19:55:17 <Belugas> as well as me... should i say.. 19:56:05 <andythenorth> there is a strange noise in this channel today 19:56:22 <Belugas> :) 19:56:51 <RagingTrashcan> =( 19:56:59 <Belugas> by the way, i really want to get into bridge building. so a little track set does not allow much possibilities 19:57:50 <andythenorth> Belugas: use lots of curves then :) and way less expensive 19:57:56 <andythenorth> http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=3862866 19:58:39 <RagingTrashcan> =_= 19:58:47 <andythenorth> this needs straights http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=3322600 19:59:13 <RagingTrashcan> lego day. bye, whackers! 19:59:21 *** RagingTrashcan [~yuraconst@178.34.32.89] has left #openttd [] 19:59:39 <andythenorth> I shall miss him 19:59:45 <andythenorth> Belugas http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=248405 20:00:06 <Alberth1> I like the first one better 20:00:21 <glx> and a wrong description ;) 20:00:42 <glx> oups forgot to scroll 20:00:45 <andythenorth> there are some really spectacular bridges on brickshelf 20:00:50 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe34dc00-202.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 20:02:55 <Belugas> wow :) 20:03:11 <Belugas> now.. imagine the cash spent there... 20:03:28 <glx> http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=2456356 <-- that's crazy 20:04:17 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-224-240.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 20:06:20 <andythenorth> Belugas: imagine the cash for this :O http://www.bricklink.com/search.asp?itemID=38513 20:09:14 <Eddi|zuHause> Belugas: http://www.modellbahnfachmarkt.de/images/Goeltzschtalbruecke.jpg ;) 20:10:33 <Eoin> ive not used my proper trainset for years 20:12:19 *** C2H6O [~roidal@62-47-164-201.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 20:13:51 *** Alberth1 [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:14:03 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:17:19 * Belugas 's head spins 20:18:16 *** [hta]specx [~opera@ip94-126-210-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 20:19:18 *** undef [~roidal@91-115-103-196.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:19:21 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: the dollar is cheap right now :) 20:20:10 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: not for me it isn't 20:23:53 *** [hta]specx [~opera@ip94-126-210-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:24:18 *** [hta]specx [~opera@ip94-126-210-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 20:26:49 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 20:27:20 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-27-232-53.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:29:39 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f485f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 20:30:36 *** Mr_Sensitive [Archimedes@92.22.74.72] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:37:02 *** DarkNemesis [~sara@cpc5-sgyl30-2-0-cust61.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:40:31 *** [hta]specx [~opera@ip94-126-210-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:42:01 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@93.21.11.80] has joined #openttd 20:44:22 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@92.22.74.72] has joined #openttd 20:46:56 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 20:48:24 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.11.80] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:52:30 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 20:55:26 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:58:11 <andythenorth> can I reload hotkeys.cfg during game? 20:58:14 *** murr4y [~murray@169.84-49-70.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:01:53 <Yexo> no 21:02:47 <Yexo> but coding that would be almost trivial 21:03:07 *** KouDy [~KouDy@rb5ck203.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The alternative IRC client] 21:05:02 <Belugas> YEAH!!!!!! 21:05:09 <Belugas> HOME TIME@!!!!!! 21:05:09 <Belugas> byer 21:07:23 <Eddi|zuHause> beer as well! 21:07:52 *** DarkNemesis [~sara@cpc5-sgyl30-2-0-cust61.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 21:16:17 *** snorre [~snorre@c692BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 21:16:23 * C2H6O wÃŒnscht ne gute nacht 21:16:35 <izua> i'm new to openttd. if i want to help an industry produce goods (temperate terrain), do i need to provide all three ingredients? 21:17:32 <frosch123> one will do 21:18:07 *** snorre_ [~snorre@c692BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:19:50 *** duckblaster [~duckblast@202-65-54-162.xdsl.net.oyster.net.ck] has joined #openttd 21:20:48 *** C2H6O [~roidal@62-47-164-201.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:20:53 <Eddi|zuHause> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/zi1-2.png <-- anyone have ~1500⬠spare to build this? :p 21:21:57 <SpComb> just the track? 21:22:03 <SpComb> landscaping? 21:22:07 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f485f.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:22:18 <Terkhen> a place to build it? 21:22:32 <Eddi|zuHause> Terkhen: it's fitted to a room in this house 21:22:37 <duckblaster> spend 50 aud and get trainz, use that to simulate it 21:23:41 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: the program says tracks ~1100â¬, but the price list is probably not current 21:24:52 <duckblaster> http://www.ts2010.com/ 21:26:19 <izua> what's the most expensive resource in a model? rails? 21:26:40 <Wolf01> the controller 21:26:47 <Eddi|zuHause> izua: that's probably more like the cheapest... 21:27:07 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn13-22.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:27:16 <izua> the main one? or the one in the engines? 21:27:26 <Eddi|zuHause> izua: wood for the plate is not cheap, each model engine is 100⬠and above, and a digital controller for more than three engines costs a fortune 21:27:31 <izua> i'm asking because i did some hacks on a dcc controller last year for a guy 21:27:44 <izua> and i was planning on making some of my own 21:27:52 <izua> how much of a fortune, exactly? 21:28:02 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db194d6.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: gn8] 21:28:22 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@92.22.74.72] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:34:01 <Eddi|zuHause> izua: can't find reliable information, but fact is that each transformer typically can only handle three engines running simultaneously, so you need more than one of those, and then equipment to controll them centrally, etc. 21:35:19 <__ln__> so it's cheaper just to buy the tracks, not trains 21:36:29 <Eddi|zuHause> a track like i posted above easily can fit 10 trains 21:36:48 <__ln__> funny, i didn't know a product like this exists: http://www.speedtree.com/ 21:36:52 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: is my assumption that there are multiple "height levels" in that track layout correct? 21:37:03 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: yeah ;) 21:37:28 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-26-106.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:37:35 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: two should suffice ;) 21:38:00 <Rubidium> yup 21:38:00 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-26-106.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 21:42:20 <izua> __ln__: wow, that's so incredibly pointless 21:44:14 <izua> Eddi|zuHause: yeah, I couldn't find any either. at some point i wanted to start doing model railroading (i have a cnc machine and some workshop skills), but there's only one such shop here, and they have a very narrow range of products. 21:45:07 <izua> the friend i helped with his dcc controller did it for quite a few years, back in the day when digital controllers weren't out yet. 21:45:12 <Eddi|zuHause> izua: looks like each device is between 50-100⬠21:48:07 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 400/87 21:48:07 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 4.59770114943 21:48:45 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 4.4*87 21:48:45 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 382.8 21:49:17 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 12*87 21:49:17 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 1044 21:49:37 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 8*87 21:49:37 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 696 21:52:48 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@92.22.74.72] has joined #openttd 21:54:24 <izua> hmm, that's rather expensive 21:55:17 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8580.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:58:31 <Eoin> wow 21:58:40 <Eoin> ALOT of games i have use those speedtree 22:00:47 <izua> why would anyone purchase that software? 22:00:58 <TomyLobo> http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/9760/phillipsco21340804.png 20k \o/ 22:01:07 <izua> if you want to make models of trees for a game, you get a 3d design team 22:01:35 <Eddi|zuHause> izua: and if you want the trees to move in the wind? 22:01:35 <izua> if you want to make a lot of trees for a game, you make a generator, or ask the speedtree guys for an api. 22:02:11 <izua> isn't that the game engine's job? 22:02:45 <Eddi|zuHause> izua: maybe speedtree is a game engine? 22:03:00 <duckblaster> don't download it unless you have a really good connection 22:03:05 <duckblaster> it's 5GB 22:03:18 <duckblaster> auran jet is the game engine 22:05:22 <Eoin> its not a game engine 22:05:29 <Eoin> but they seem to have a bundle with Unreal Engine 3 22:05:44 <duckblaster> speedtree is just for trees 22:06:28 <izua> that's my understanding 22:12:24 <izua> what's the general approach to making profit? 22:12:32 <izua> ship stuff from opposing parts of the world? 22:12:58 <Terkhen> dump big amounts of coal into power plants 22:13:22 <izua> yesterday i tried 15 cities on a huge map with and airplanes 22:13:30 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has left #openttd [] 22:13:48 <izua> it wasn't very fun after cash flowed over 10M 22:13:49 *** duckblaster [~duckblast@202-65-54-162.xdsl.net.oyster.net.ck] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:14:44 <Terkhen> yeah... airplanes make money too easily 22:16:09 <TomyLobo> i almot have 20 billion euros now and it's still fun :) 22:16:25 <TomyLobo> managing airplanes itself isnt too much fun though 22:16:29 <Rubidium> Terkhen: that's one specific approach... 22:16:29 <Rubidium> Dspecific 22:17:06 <Rubidium> yay... for 4 minute lag :( 22:17:10 <TomyLobo> you can see another specific approach on my screenshot :) 22:17:22 *** heffer [~felix@HSI-KBW-095-208-017-052.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 22:19:02 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:19:52 <Rubidium> anyhow... the generic approach to profit is making sure the income is higher than the cost. Each cargo has a specific cargo payment rate, meaning that after a certain distance (depends on the speed) the maximum income decreases 22:20:31 <TomyLobo> and after a certain, much larger distance, the income only increases ^^ 22:20:35 <Rubidium> i.e. moving cargo half way the map and making two runs might be more profitable than hauling it from one side to the other for overall profitability 22:22:00 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.62.215] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 22:23:25 <izua> Rubidium: you mean like looping? 22:23:35 <Terkhen> this reminds me that I should retake the speed graphs patch some day 22:23:58 <izua> if the distance between the two points is, say 1000, you're telling me to make a train move 4000 units before unloading? 22:24:09 <izua> that seems like a cheat :p 22:24:48 <Rubidium> izua: no, that making two runs of length 1000 might be more profitable than one run of length 2000 22:25:52 <izua> ah 22:26:01 <Rubidium> you'd be moving twice as much cargo in the first case, but the vehicle would make a higher profit than doing that one round trip that is twice as long 22:27:03 <Terkhen> http://wiki.openttd.org/Cargo_income <-- this might be helpful too 22:28:58 * Rubidium wonders what people would say about... heh, you've spent 255*2.5 days or more on travel... you're not getting paid! 22:34:31 <Terkhen> "this method is confusing and not realistic, you must implement a model based on supply and demand!" 22:35:18 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: finally makes those "takes 2 years to deliver" train's profit warning valid ;) 22:36:20 <Rubidium> Terkhen: supply and demand doesn't quite work in open source... there's lot of demand for stuff, but very little supply... however the cost is still very very low 22:38:39 <Terkhen> there is a good supply of low cost demands 22:40:14 <lasershock> Wish there was a way to force upgrade your depo when there is a train inside 22:44:44 *** NoBrainHere [~yuraconst@178.34.32.89] has joined #openttd 22:45:16 <NoBrainHere> How to change a font in a .lng? 22:46:15 <Rubidium> you *could* make a NewGRF that makes all trains run on all tracks 22:47:18 <NoBrainHere> In presence of "open" sets, the settings window becomes too large. 22:47:32 <TomyLobo> lasershock including the trains preferably *g* 22:48:02 *** duckblaster [~duckblast@202-65-54-162.xdsl.net.oyster.net.ck] has joined #openttd 22:49:07 <NoBrainHere> so how do I change the font in .lng? 22:52:26 <Wolf01> NoBrainHere, you can change the font in the openttd.cfg -> small/medium/large_font 22:53:45 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@93.21.11.80] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:56:48 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@92.22.74.72] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:57:01 <Eddi|zuHause> <Rubidium> you *could* make a NewGRF that makes all trains run on all tracks <-- i think such a grf exists... like "universal engine" or something 22:57:44 <NoBrainHere> ... 22:57:51 <NoBrainHere> it's all handwritten now 22:59:01 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-5-149.A212.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 23:00:17 *** TomyLobo [~foo@port-212-202-171-176.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 23:00:29 <NoBrainHere> does it seem to me, or is the base height of tahoma smaller than of times new roman? 23:00:30 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:01:35 <NoBrainHere> this is a language fix for some windows that in Russian overheight the smallest window size 23:01:51 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C45B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:02:48 *** murr4y [~murray@169.84-49-70.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 23:13:47 *** NoBrainHere [~yuraconst@178.34.32.89] has left #openttd [] 23:25:52 <Terkhen> good night 23:25:56 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:26:59 <Wolf01> 'night all 23:27:04 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host138-20-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:33:26 *** valhallasw [~user@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting] 23:38:02 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D95B6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... 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