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00:13:53 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 00:44:44 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF884D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:51:27 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:57:01 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f4a14.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:59:16 *** fmauneko [~fmauneko@88.166.241.226] has quit [Quit: fmauneko] 01:06:31 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.0.103.190] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2] 01:10:09 *** TruePikachu [~chris@cpe-67-49-42-88.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 01:10:37 *** DarkNemesis [~sara@cpc5-sgyl30-2-0-cust61.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:11:00 <TruePikachu> Anyone here know when the first cab-control compatable locomotive in NARS gets invented and what it is? 01:13:35 <TruePikachu> * Make that NARS2 01:18:08 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:795e:1f21:ef57:508c] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:20:28 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:22:33 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has joined #openttd 01:24:51 <TruePikachu> For some reason, I don't have anything from after 1969 in NARS2 01:25:08 <TruePikachu> (in the case of locomotives) 01:25:24 <TruePikachu> It's 1981 right now 01:25:42 <TruePikachu> I've already tried a resetengines 01:26:08 <TruePikachu> Does the UI have a limit on the number of vehicals it can show in the buy list? 01:33:14 *** Eggman891 [~Eggman891@cpc6-staf7-2-0-cust21.know.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 01:42:25 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 01:52:53 *** HO_CHI_MAN [~SomeDude@74.115.1.9] has joined #openttd 01:54:11 <HO_CHI_MAN> greetings 01:58:04 <TruePikachu> B/me is having trouble with NARS2 01:58:11 <TruePikachu> * /me 01:58:28 *** HO_CHI_MAN [~SomeDude@74.115.1.9] has quit [] 01:58:33 <TruePikachu> ... 01:59:52 *** HO_CHI_MAN [~SomeDude@74.115.1.11] has joined #openttd 01:59:53 *** HO_CHI_MAN [~SomeDude@74.115.1.11] has quit [autokilled: This host may be infected. Mail support@oftc.net with questions. BOPM (2010-08-03 01:59:53)] 02:01:21 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 02:03:56 *** HO_CHI_MAN [~SomeDude@74.115.1.50] has joined #openttd 02:15:15 <VVG> TruePikachu: Are you buying locos in el-rail depot? 02:18:58 *** HO_CHI_MAN [~SomeDude@74.115.1.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:23:58 *** fjb is now known as Guest671 02:23:59 *** fjb [~frank@p5485ED7E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:31:28 *** Guest671 [~frank@p5485C230.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:31:29 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 02:34:44 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 02:50:28 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c96b:6e62:db7b:9713] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:52:19 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c96b:6e62:db7b:9713] has joined #openttd 02:52:22 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 02:52:59 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c96b:6e62:db7b:9713] has quit [] 03:33:22 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 03:41:12 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.11] has joined #openttd 04:04:00 *** KouDy [~KouDy@rb5ck203.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 04:04:44 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:04:57 *** Lokimaros [~mazur@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 04:05:12 <TruePikachu> VVG: (Re: problems w/ NARS2) They aren't even showing up on the 'availible vehicals' list 04:06:12 <TruePikachu> I don't know what the problem is, I've tried everything I can think of 04:06:23 *** Mazur [~mazur@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:06:27 <TruePikachu> I ended up e-mailing a copy of the savegame to PikkaBird 04:06:30 *** Lokimaros is now known as Mazur 04:09:11 <TruePikachu> Still no reply to the e-mail I sent about 2-3hr ago, so I'll check tommorrow 04:09:47 * TruePikachu 's game of OpenTTD is on hold until the problem is fixed 04:17:14 <VVG> rapidshare your savegame here, i can check if 20279 version of mine have any problems 04:18:50 <TruePikachu> Umm...I don 04:18:52 <TruePikachu> *don't have an account for RapidShare 04:19:04 <TruePikachu> Other options? 04:19:12 <TruePikachu> I may be able to DCC it... 04:19:41 *** sparr [sparr@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 04:20:08 <VVG> rapidshare doesn't neet registration 04:20:58 * TruePikachu always thought it did...brb (and I'll need to load IRSSI into Konsole) 04:22:09 *** TruePikachu [~chris@cpe-67-49-42-88.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:22:37 *** Mazur [~mazur@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Partir, c'est mourir un peu.] 04:22:42 *** TruePikachu [~chris@cpe-67-49-42-88.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 04:22:56 <TruePikachu> (for some reason, I only get 1 connection to OFTC) 04:23:18 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:24:20 <TruePikachu> For some reason, the browse dialog is trying /usr/bin 04:25:50 <TruePikachu> <I msg'd the link to VVG cuz it only gets 10 downloads> 04:26:55 <TruePikachu> VVG: Status on the download? 04:28:53 <TruePikachu> You should be able to get all the GRFs off of BaNaNaS 04:29:03 *** KouDy [~KouDy@rb5ck203.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:29:39 *** perk11 [~perk11@194.186.53.159] has joined #openttd 04:35:44 <TruePikachu> I don't think the problem is a UI limit anymore, just counted and 65 wagons are shown; if it was UI, there would only be 64=2^6 04:35:51 <VVG> It's due to your NARS parameter settings 04:36:00 <TruePikachu> Which one? 04:36:11 <VVG> setting them all to 0 produced a proper vehicle list 04:36:13 <VVG> no idea 04:36:18 <VVG> never played NARS 04:36:23 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.11] has joined #openttd 04:36:49 <TruePikachu> ...If the second one is a 0, it is supposed to completly disable NARS for all enviorments 04:37:12 <VVG> i did take a glance at parameter page 04:37:51 <VVG> but still, the "problem" is with parameters settings 04:38:06 <TruePikachu> Hmm...I'll investigate 04:38:23 *** TruePikachu [~chris@cpe-67-49-42-88.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Pushing irssi back to tty2] 04:38:59 *** TruePikachu [~chris@cpe-67-49-42-88.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 04:39:09 <TruePikachu> Starting OpenTTD 04:40:46 <VVG> Feature request: make it possible to remove parameters altogether with new parameter setup gui 04:42:53 <TruePikachu> Hmm...I just enabled regearing, and it's fixed. Bad design, where disabling regearing also disables the regearable locomotives... 04:43:28 <TruePikachu> VVG: That would require an additional file in each NewGRF tarball 04:43:39 <VVG> what? 04:43:58 <VVG> i think you misunderstood me 04:44:07 <TruePikachu> Parameter Setup GUI would need to know what each parameter from the NewGRF's point of view is for 04:44:28 <TruePikachu> The file would source the description and UI 04:44:31 <VVG> you misunderstood me 04:44:38 <TruePikachu> What did you mean? 04:45:42 <VVG> with old metod you could just delete all parameters and leave it it up to newgrf to decide what to do. With new gui one you set parameters, they will be always there, atleast i don't see a way to remove them. Only choice i see to remove/add back the newgrf in question 04:46:10 <TruePikachu> Oh, keeping the parameters persistant? 04:46:20 <VVG> Have you seen new gui? 04:46:32 <TruePikachu> If it's post-1.0.3, no 04:46:53 <VVG> it's in latest nightlies only atm afaik 04:47:16 <TruePikachu> What a pity :( 1.0.3 was just released 04:47:39 <TruePikachu> We Stable players have to wait a whole nother month :( 04:49:16 * TruePikachu wants joinable depots 04:49:42 <TruePikachu> They would make my 'Depot Bypass Node's more efficient 04:49:48 <VVG> as in enter into one leave from another? 04:50:09 <TruePikachu> Possibility of that. Mainly just for sharing the contained wagons 04:50:50 * TruePikachu finds it annoying that for the DBNs he disassembles a train in one, and sends a different train to the DBN and it enters the wrong depot 04:51:16 <VVG> no idea what you want to achieve with that 04:51:32 <TruePikachu> Saves buying new wagons all the time 04:51:55 <TruePikachu> In that savegame, you can actually find a few of those nodes 04:52:15 <TruePikachu> I mainly use the type just outside the SW-most station 04:52:29 <TruePikachu> That's the kind I mainly have the problem with 04:52:45 <TruePikachu> Joining depots would make this simpler to manage 04:53:29 <TruePikachu> Also, notice that the entering signal is PBS, allowing trains to enter one depot while trains leave the other 04:54:17 <TruePikachu> Joins would make it so the depots could be arranged as a tunnel instead of across from each other like they are 04:54:46 <TruePikachu> But this will probably have to wait until 1.1.0 04:55:17 * TruePikachu shrugs and fights with the map generator for a good map 04:55:44 <VVG> since you don't have breakdowns on, i don't see a need for depots but to spawn new trains 04:56:01 * TruePikachu also wants the ability to edit the map for free before starting the game itself, similar to in SimCity 3000 04:56:14 <TruePikachu> VVG: AutoReplace and AutoRenew 04:56:15 <VVG> and you have enough money to no care about cash anymore 04:56:37 <TruePikachu> Well, the tracks also serve to flip around a train 04:56:56 <TruePikachu> And my company was in the value for quite a while 04:56:57 <VVG> scenario editor is a way to edit the map for free 04:57:33 * TruePikachu may try that 04:57:37 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B748F5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:57:38 <VVG> anyway, you play differently from me, so i don't really understand your needs 04:58:19 * TruePikachu is still new, started at the release of 1.0.0 or 1.0.1, I think the latter, but I could be wrong 04:58:40 <TruePikachu> And haven't played for quite a while 04:59:04 <TruePikachu> But this is pretty much the only game I have on this computer 04:59:30 <TruePikachu> (Frotz doesn't count) 04:59:56 <VVG> I like ottdcoop style networks, there you don't really care about autorenew or autoreplace 05:00:17 <TruePikachu> Heh, my networks are also partially based off the Coop 05:00:25 <TruePikachu> Except they are much slower 05:00:46 <TruePikachu> I need AutoReplace to help upgrade to faster wagons 05:01:29 <VVG> Starting in 2100 removes that problem :p 05:01:33 <TruePikachu> And I get massive traffic jams also, which are fun to clean up (and I'm being serious there, it should be a stand-alone minigame) 05:01:57 <TruePikachu> It's fun cleaning up a jam without causing a wreck 05:02:21 <TruePikachu> Especially that one near CDH Mines 05:02:33 <TruePikachu> (Well, there was one there) 05:03:08 <TruePikachu> Trains didn't have enough HP to go up the slope to the station 05:03:31 <TruePikachu> At least not very quickly, and this was when there was 1 in and 1 out track 05:03:35 <VVG> default coal mine can grop up to 2300 production value 05:03:52 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75665.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:03:53 <VVG> and it's more fun growing industry than placing a bunch of them around one station :p 05:03:55 <TruePikachu> The east-most mine there is my record, ad 450 IIRC 05:04:23 <TruePikachu> And that was from random growths, I connected at 350 or so 05:04:38 * TruePikachu has trouble growing industries 05:05:14 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 05:05:29 <TruePikachu> Hmmm...how long does it take to run 150 years, in hours 05:05:53 <TruePikachu> (150 years game time, in real-time-clock hours) 05:06:00 <VVG> no idea 05:06:25 <TruePikachu> You think about 72? 05:06:33 <TruePikachu> *wait, way less than that 05:07:22 * TruePikachu will try a 1900-2050 game tomorrow, and generate the map tonight 05:07:29 <VVG> seeing that some people like daylenght patch, 150 years go by quite fast i say :) 05:07:46 * TruePikachu doesn't use patches, just GRFs 05:07:57 <TruePikachu> I hate compiling from source 05:08:18 * TruePikachu doesn't know how many times he's used that line here before 05:08:20 <VVG> it's different when you go for big network or try to play from 1900 or something into the future 05:08:48 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:09:12 <TruePikachu> Well, standard game ends 2050, and I will try from 1900 05:09:20 <VVG> it doesn't end there 05:09:30 <VVG> you can play as long as you want 05:09:32 <TruePikachu> High Score Chart does 05:10:25 <VVG> some people don't care about score chart, only about their network :) 05:10:25 <TruePikachu> Anyway, I'm going to scrap the current game, as all my trains are set to full load all, and I can't load regearings (thx WallyWeb for that bug report ;D) 05:11:13 <TruePikachu> What is the exact point? What is the goal? 05:11:27 <TruePikachu> Why am I asking stupid questions? (cuz I just realised) 05:11:32 <VVG> different people -> different goals 05:11:56 <TruePikachu> No, the goal is to get 1000 points 05:12:10 <VVG> yours? 05:12:23 <TruePikachu> I guess... 05:13:06 * TruePikachu thinks OpenTTD should allow for scenerios similar to Railroad Tycoon 2/3 05:13:12 <VVG> ottd is a sandbox, goal is whatever you fancy 05:14:54 * TruePikachu just figured out how to type ASCII chars into Linux 05:16:33 *** TruePikachu [~chris@cpe-67-49-42-88.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:25:10 *** DDR [~chatzilla@66.183.120.69] has joined #openttd 05:32:02 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B748F5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:35:47 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B775CF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:39:01 *** SirSquid1ess [~sirsquidn@lol.dongues.com] has joined #openttd 05:42:57 *** DarkNemesis [~sara@cpc5-sgyl30-2-0-cust61.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 05:49:18 *** DDR_ 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07:34:04 <dihedral> you must be 16 now, right? 07:34:13 <dihedral> or did i miss a year 07:38:07 *** asnoehu [~thok@cc64025-c.hnglo1.ov.home.nl] has joined #openttd 07:41:37 *** asnoehu [~thok@cc64025-c.hnglo1.ov.home.nl] has quit [] 07:45:43 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CB9D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:48:49 *** asnoehu [~thok@cc64025-c.hnglo1.ov.home.nl] has joined #openttd 07:50:07 *** FauxFaux [faux@compsoc.sunion.warwick.ac.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:55:39 *** FauxFaux [faux@molotov.compsoc.warwick.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 07:59:48 <yorick> dihedral: you missed a year :) 08:00:16 <yorick> actually only two months 08:00:38 <dihedral> ;-) 08:00:40 <dihedral> congrats :-) 08:01:10 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:01:52 <yorick> huh? 08:02:11 <dihedral> well - birthday 2 months ago (i take it) 08:02:55 <yorick> no, 2 months in the future :P 08:03:31 <__ln__> birthday every 2 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1.02 11:18:27 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-123-25.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:19:05 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-77-86-123-25.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:19:06 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-123-25.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:19:12 <Ammler> or disable pause_on_join 11:19:30 <Goulp> yeap but other clients will not be able to join 11:19:45 *** tdev [~tdev@p508EF570.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:19:58 <Nite> its 1.03 11:20:21 <Ammler> add a feature request, that openttd does autokick people with lag > 1000 or so 11:20:42 <Nite> a player joined he now has 2 companies of the same color ... game paused 11:21:07 <Ammler> status does tell you 11:21:42 <Nite> its not that easy 11:21:49 <Nite> some really quirks 11:21:53 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-224-240.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:22:06 <Ammler> Nite: what does status tell? 11:22:26 <Nite> you can go to the alfton tropic nars server to see 11:22:44 <Ammler> that is a rcon command 11:22:46 <Nite> iam not admin there so i cant do the status i think 11:22:49 <Ammler> so I can't :-P 11:23:06 <Goulp> Nite: Bad server - change server 11:23:16 <Ammler> oh well, then the answer is speak to the admin 11:23:17 <Nite> good server ;) 11:23:33 <Nite> it just kicked the bugegd companies 11:23:37 <Nite> running again 11:23:52 <Ammler> you can kick company, but you don't have rcon? 11:23:54 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-75-40.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:24:03 *** Mazur [~mazur@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 11:24:09 <Goulp> nope 11:24:09 <Nite> no IT kicked 11:24:27 <Ammler> ok :-) 11:24:32 <Nite> guess there is a timeout when a player is connecting 4 2 long 11:24:56 <Ammler> yep, there "should" be something like that, but sometimes, it doesn't work 11:25:05 <Ammler> we weren't able to reproduce though 11:27:01 <Nite> might be hard to reproduce - there was a company wich was conencting forever but you could join it then it got your color when you where in it, or the color of the last one joined 11:27:34 <Nite> *wiered* 11:27:43 <Ammler> :-) 11:28:25 <Ammler> if you do status, sometimes you have clients with frame-lag around 50k rising... 11:29:12 <Ammler> not sure, if that is still the case in trunk or >1.0.1 11:30:35 <Rubidium> they should all be kicked after a few hundred ticks 11:32:52 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-83-100-249-196.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:36:11 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20338 /trunk/src/ (table/unmovable_land.h unmovable_cmd.cpp): -Codechange: unify the unmovable tile drawing 11:36:49 <Nite> well the clients where kicked - so it worked somehow - it was no lag problem though because the client causing this was connected, only the game created an additional company (which was deleted ofter the kick) which shared the color of someone in it ... 11:37:41 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-75-40.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:37:55 <Nite> since it only caused probs for few minutes - its ok now ... 11:39:38 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20339 /trunk/src/ (table/unmovable_land.h unmovable_cmd.cpp): -Codechange: reorder the HQ drawing data so it's in a slightly more logical order from the map array's point of view. 11:40:33 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:43:16 *** Sacro__ [~ben@adsl-83-100-174-168.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:43:37 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-83-100-249-196.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:59:48 *** V453000 [~V453000@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 11:59:52 <V453000> hello 12:00:08 <V453000> I have a problem, when I load a savegame from a server, it generates a new game instead 12:01:46 <Ammler> how to rescan newgrfs with console? 12:01:56 <Yexo> you're trying to load a savegame but don't have all newgrfs 12:02:13 <Yexo> for a server you need to have the exact same grf as the game was created with 12:04:51 <Ammler> I grepped the source, there seems no rescan for other things than ais 12:08:07 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20340 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: introduce some flags for objects and use them in some places 12:08:57 <Yexo> Ammler: I think currently not possible 12:09:07 <Yexo> would be nice if you could write a patch for that :) 12:09:26 <Ammler> I make a restart custom command then, might be easier :-P 12:09:33 <Ammler> (for me) 12:10:23 <Ammler> we have the same problem, when we update the server anyway 12:15:20 *** Sacro__ is now known as Sacro 12:25:49 *** Priski [priski@ihq.in] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:28:39 *** Markk [~markk@213.229.75.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:28:46 *** Lokimaros [~mazur@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 12:29:25 *** Mazur [~mazur@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Partir, c'est mourir un peu.] 12:29:32 *** Lokimaros is now known as Mazur 12:36:17 <Nite> phew - i keep explaining new players what shared orders are ... 12:36:45 <Nite> they are quite held secret, which they shouldnt because are veeeeery useful 12:37:02 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20341 /trunk/src/ (economy.cpp unmovable.h unmovable_cmd.cpp): -Codechange: pass the tile of the HQ instead of the company to UpdateCompanyHQ 12:37:12 <dihedral> @seen Alberth 12:37:13 <DorpsGek> dihedral: Alberth was last seen in #openttd 5 hours, 30 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <Alberth> good morning 12:39:05 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-5-149.A212.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [] 12:41:36 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20342 /trunk/src/ (table/unmovable_land.h unmovable_cmd.cpp): -Codechange: unify the construction of objects 12:43:37 *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B6ADB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:47:26 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20343 /trunk/src/unmovable_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r20342): don't start svn commit too early... it won't see the later changes 12:54:31 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r20344 /trunk/src/console_cmds.cpp: -Feature: add rescan_newgrf console command 12:57:36 <Nite> dumdidum - shared orders are hard to explain in written words ... 12:58:46 <dihedral> Nite: you are repeating yourself! 13:00:55 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 13:02:14 *** elmz [~elmz@166.80-202-30.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:03:37 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20345 /trunk/src/unmovable_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: unify removing of objects a bit more 13:07:22 *** Moses [Moses@i5E861E54.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 13:07:46 <Moses> Hi. 13:07:59 <Moses> Is there a script which runs every month? 13:08:18 <Moses> or are there just the "on_server_scr"? 13:08:24 *** Markk [~markk@213.229.75.82] has joined #openttd 13:08:48 *** Priski [priski@ihq.in] has joined #openttd 13:12:54 *** win7frog [~yuraconst@85.175.20.247] has joined #openttd 13:14:09 <dihedral> i know there is a on_yearly, Moses 13:14:46 *** win7frog 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to start a DDOS 13:29:05 <dihedral> sounds a bit like a mazda revision ^^ 13:30:45 *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B6ADB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 13:32:15 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r20346 /trunk/src/ (ai/ai_scanner.cpp newgrf_config.cpp tar_type.h): -Change: scan for tar files before scanning for AIs/NewGRFs so new AIs/NewGRFs inside a tar file are found 13:32:24 <Moses> anybody knows how i can end a game by company value? something like a goal? 13:32:46 <Yexo> you'll need to modify the source code to do that (currently) 13:32:56 <dihedral> hehe 13:33:02 <dihedral> talking of the devil ey? 13:35:37 <dihedral> in theory you could do that with ap+ by teaching it to monitor the company values every second e.g. ^^ 13:41:19 <dihedral> Moses: which OS are you using? 13:41:40 <Moses> XP 13:41:52 <dihedral> then forget ap+ :-P 13:42:27 <dihedral> if you want to run the openttd srever of windows xp and manage to get ap+ to run there too, then you are good ^^ 13:42:44 <Moses> :-/ 13:42:52 <Moses> i dont think i am good. 13:43:36 <dihedral> if that defines good, then i am not either :-P 13:43:49 <dihedral> but to be honest, i did not work on ap+ for it to run on xp 13:45:08 <Moses> i just want to end a game if company value reaches a predefined value... and this should be easy... 13:45:34 <Moses> but after long hours of google usage i dont think that it is easy. 13:45:39 <Moses> maybe i am just dumb. 13:46:07 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:46:29 <Yexo> Moses: as I said before, you'll have to modify the source code of the server and then compile it 13:46:53 <Yexo> how hard that is depends on whether you've programmed/compiled something before 13:47:08 <Moses> i know something about c++ and php 13:47:41 <Moses> where do i get the source code? 13:47:45 *** perk11 [~perk11@194.186.53.159] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:47:57 <__ln__> http://i.imgur.com/6rIiI.jpg (especially for Rubidium) 13:47:59 <dihedral> and how quickly you will give up, or if you can presevere ;-) 13:48:53 <Yexo> Moses: http://wiki.openttd.org/MSVC 13:49:00 *** perk11 [~perk11@194.186.53.159] has joined #openttd 13:49:56 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 13:50:00 <Moses> thx 13:50:41 <peter1138> heh 13:52:02 <dihedral> :-P 13:53:55 <dihedral> __ln__: it's not a charger, it injects batterypower into electric circuits in buildings. if enough people do it you do not need as many power plants :-P 13:59:09 <Eddi|zuHause> i should really talk to steve jobs about my idea to sell throw-away-drinking-cups with an apple logo. 14:02:37 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8868.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:03:04 <ccfreak2k> You know, those stationary bicycle things for excercise would probably be better if they generated energy back into the house. 14:14:12 <Noldo> where do you think the energy is going then? 14:14:19 <Noldo> if not back to the house as heat 14:14:39 <glx> heat is a waste of energy 14:17:58 <Moses> a lot of guys type "!resetme" on my server, is this a AP+ command? and can i add this without ap+? 14:18:12 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc028.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 14:22:43 *** KouDy [~KouDy@rb5ck203.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 14:25:03 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 14:29:10 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:38:05 <Nite> such bicycles invented already ... its hard 2 b creative ... 14:39:33 *** Brin [~KouDy@rb5ck203.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 14:39:52 <Nite> wenn its -20° outside heat is no waste ... 14:45:45 *** KouDy [~KouDy@rb5ck203.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:45:45 *** Brin is now known as KouDy 14:46:49 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.160.7] has joined #openttd 14:46:49 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.216.30] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:47:10 <Ammler> Moses: no, quess a Goal-server command 14:47:23 *** Brin [~KouDy@rb5ck203.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 14:49:58 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8868.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:53:48 *** KouDy [~KouDy@rb5ck203.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:53:48 *** Brin is now known as KouDy 14:55:04 *** Moses [Moses@i5E861E54.versanet.de] has quit [] 14:55:07 *** Moses [Moses@i5E861E54.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 14:55:39 *** Moses [Moses@i5E861E54.versanet.de] has left #openttd [] 14:55:43 *** Moses [Moses@i5E861E54.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 15:21:03 *** DarkNemesis [~sara@cpc5-sgyl30-2-0-cust61.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 15:21:03 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:795e:1f21:ef57:508c] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:21:05 *** DarkNemesis [~sara@cpc5-sgyl30-2-0-cust61.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:21:09 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:795e:1f21:ef57:508c] has joined #openttd 15:21:22 <Ammler> is someone able to dwonload content 1049 from bananas? 15:21:47 <Zuu> what is content 1049? 15:21:52 <Ammler> around 3.5 MB 15:22:04 <Goulp> this is after 1048 and before 1050 15:22:20 <Goulp> @content 1049 15:22:54 <Ammler> Zuu: how do I check? 15:23:11 <Zuu> check what? 15:23:59 <Ammler> what it is, I just downloaded all 15:24:02 *** Adambean` [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 15:24:46 <Rubidium> Ammler: check that with the console thingy 15:25:38 <Yexo> 1049 is "Scotland 1900" scenario 15:25:42 <Ammler> yes 15:25:48 <Ammler> it doesn't download 15:26:15 <Rubidium> it downloads for me; it just doesn't see it as being downloaded 15:26:34 <Goulp> it does but --- 15:26:53 *** Tennel [~Tennel@pD9528877.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:27:10 <Goulp> marked as download after downloading 15:27:12 <Ammler> yes, the scenario is in the content folder 15:27:14 <Goulp> *downloaded 15:27:25 <Goulp> oups "installed" 15:27:34 <Zuu> Goulp: Try re-open the content download window. 15:27:48 <Goulp> by hand in the console 15:28:39 <Ammler> Goulp: yes, the console tells that and the scenario is there, but next time, it does again download 15:28:41 <Goulp> cant see it in the window 15:29:32 <Goulp> and file is on my disk 15:29:46 <Rubidium> it was missing the md5 checksum in the database 15:30:23 <Goulp> can see in the window list as heighmap 15:31:03 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:31:05 <Rubidium> Ammler: in any case... it downloads for me and is (now) shown as downloaded 15:40:03 *** Osai^2 is now known as Osai 15:44:24 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~Br33z4hSl@92.68.154.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:44:32 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 15:48:43 *** heffer [~felix@HSI-KBW-095-208-017-052.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #openttd 15:59:16 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20347 /extra/masterserver_updater/src/shared/mysql.cpp: [MSU] -Change: don't wait on download statistics insertions 16:00:46 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.13.207] has joined #openttd 16:01:00 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 16:01:33 *** heffer [~felix@HSI-KBW-095-208-017-052.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 16:06:53 *** chakravanti [~chakravan@in-184-0-69-80.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:08:42 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-12-220.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:11:06 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-52-109.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 16:15:19 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.13.207] has quit [] 16:15:58 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.13.207] has joined #openttd 16:16:45 *** DarkNemesis [~sara@cpc5-sgyl30-2-0-cust61.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 16:17:31 <Zuu> Does the expression "the better half" exist in English? As in a score table, you select the better half. 16:18:33 <Zuu> Or is it just not considered as good written language to use the expression "the better half"? 16:20:14 <blathijs_> upper half? 16:20:39 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd think "the better half" means your wife ;) 16:20:54 <svip> What if you are a woman? 16:21:03 <svip> Or is that unlikely for an OpenTTD player? 16:21:49 <Nite> then its you man 16:21:56 <Eddi|zuHause> i actually met Zuu, i'm certain that he's not a woman. 16:22:15 <Nite> you mean she is not a woman ;) 16:22:35 <Zuu> :-) 16:23:05 <Zuu> Thanks, then I perhaps shall not use that expresion. :-) 16:23:30 <svip> I think 'The Top Half' is more appropriate. 16:23:31 <Nite> are u german zuu? 16:23:42 <Zuu> No, Swedish. 16:24:18 <Nite> and the better half does mean there? 16:24:35 <svip> The better half? 16:24:40 <svip> Basically. 16:24:46 <Zuu> See my example above. 16:25:13 <svip> I know in Danish if you say 'my better half', you mean your spouse. 16:25:13 <Nite> the better half means the better half is not an explanation, really ? 16:25:33 <Nite> in german you mean that too (as said) 16:26:05 <Zuu> Eg. have a selection of items, and select a subset of them that are better than the non-selected items. Make the size of subset approximately half of the whole set. 16:26:16 <Nite> i guess in sweden it means the 50% of people who are playing better? 16:26:17 <svip> I'd use 'seleect the best'. 16:26:22 <svip> -e 16:26:29 <svip> Or Best half. 16:26:47 <Nite> "top players" 16:26:54 <svip> 'Top scores' 16:27:09 <Nite> classic: "high scores" 16:27:58 <Nite> or "better halfes" (with S) 16:28:05 <svip> halves* 16:28:06 <Nite> ;D 16:28:26 <Nite> oh was it "V" 16:29:00 <Zuu> Hmm, I'll probably resort to explicitly write the number. As in: The six best roundabouts was selected... 16:29:23 <Zuu> were* 16:29:34 <Nite> page up? 16:29:45 <Nite> i mean is the page up? 16:30:12 <Nite> anyway im off cya ... 16:30:17 *** Nite [5472b1fc@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 16:30:34 <Zuu> It's not a page, it's a thesis report 16:31:33 <Rubidium> Zuu: then it's simple: if you don't know, rewrite the sentence 16:31:37 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-224-240.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:38:28 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20348 /trunk/src/ai/api/ (ai_marine.cpp ai_marine.hpp): -Fix [FS#4004]: [NoAI] Ship depots were constructed along the wrong axis 16:42:48 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc0847.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:42:59 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20349 /trunk/src/table/unmovable_land.h: -Fix: don't pay stuff you didn't have to pay for previously :) 16:57:10 *** Tennel [~Tennel@pD9528877.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 17:13:53 *** Yexo [~Yexo@77-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:14:03 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@77-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 17:14:11 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 17:17:11 *** perk11 [~perk11@194.186.53.159] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 17:23:58 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.44] has joined #openttd 17:24:50 *** heffer [~felix@HSI-KBW-095-208-017-052.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #openttd 17:42:38 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 17:45:43 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:46:07 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r20350 /trunk/src/lang/ (13 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 17:46:07 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:46:07 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: belarusian - 1070 changes by KorneySan, Wowanxm 17:46:07 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: simplified_chinese - 7 changes by pda1573 17:46:07 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: croatian - 2 changes by VoyagerOne 17:46:08 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: dutch - 2 changes by habell 17:46:08 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: finnish - 2 changes by jpx_ 17:46:37 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc0847.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:47:55 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r20351 /trunk/src/water_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: Uncouple water lock and depot drawing. 17:48:17 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r20352 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_canal.h water_cmd.cpp): -Add: [NewGRF] Support for property 09, feature 05, i.e alternate canal sprite layout. 17:48:18 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r20353 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_canal.cpp newgrf_canal.h water_cmd.cpp): -Add: [NewGRF] Support for callback 0x147 ("add sprite offset") for canals. 17:56:54 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 17:58:21 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:00:23 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:06:25 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: Not here] 18:07:25 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 18:08:12 *** TomyLobo [~foo@port-212-202-171-176.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 18:09:02 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20354 /trunk/src/lang/unfinished/ (belarusian.txt urdu.txt): -Fix: some compilation errors in (unfinished) translations 18:09:42 *** TomyLobo [~foo@port-212-202-171-176.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [] 18:14:00 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-224-240.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:14:19 *** TomyLobo [~foo@port-212-202-171-176.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 18:18:58 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.13.207] has quit [] 18:20:27 <Eddi|zuHause> so... why is it not belarussian? 18:23:25 *** DarkNemesis [~sara@cpc5-sgyl30-2-0-cust61.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:24:54 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: to make the statement they're not part of Russia anymore I'd say 18:26:08 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm really not conviced by that :) 18:26:50 <Rubidium> well, it used to be Belarussian till they split from Russia 18:27:27 <Rubidium> and back then the country was called Belarussia, which they changed to Belarus 18:27:42 <Eddi|zuHause> it's still called "WeiÃrussland" in german 18:28:46 <__ln__> I think they split from the Soviet Union. 18:28:47 <frosch123> maybe weiÃrusland would be better 18:29:16 <frosch123> though weiÃruÃland also looks interesting 18:29:21 <Yexo> <Eddi|zuHause> it's still called "WeiÃrussland" in german <- thanks to that I finally figured out what country it is :p 18:29:39 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r20355 /trunk/src/newgrf_callbacks.h: -Fix (r20353): Stale comment. 18:29:57 <Eddi|zuHause> Yexo: well, "bela" means white 18:30:44 <frosch123> moscow has still a metro statio named after them, so... 18:30:49 <Moses> I now added the yearly.scr script to my script folder, but it doesnt work, any suggestions? 18:31:53 <Yexo> Moses: just adding a new script file to the scripts folder doesn't make openttd magically aware of that new script 18:33:06 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20356 /trunk/src/ (lang/english.txt station_cmd.cpp): -Fix [FS#3983]: apparantly one generic error message can't be understood... 18:34:57 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: i really think they were part of russia much longer than the soviet union existed 18:35:24 <Eddi|zuHause> except the part that was part of poland... 18:36:32 <frosch123> The parliament of the republic declared the sovereignty of Belarus on 27 July 1990, and following the collapse of the Soviet Union, Belarus declared independence on 25 August 1991 18:37:47 <frosch123> or do you mean "longer" before the su? 18:38:52 <andythenorth> evening 18:38:57 <Moses> yexo: how to run this script? 18:39:12 *** DarkNemesis [~sara@cpc5-sgyl30-2-0-cust61.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 18:39:38 <Yexo> Moses: by modifying the openttd code to run that script 18:39:51 * Yexo got the feeling I've said this before.... 18:39:58 <Moses> oO 18:40:18 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: yes, i meant before... 18:40:55 <frosch123> Before 1267, the land not conquered by the Mongols was considered "White Rus". <- i guess you will have trouble with the definition of russia at that point 18:41:21 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah... ;) 18:41:38 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-224-240.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:41:48 <Eddi|zuHause> i guess "Russia" as a major power started about the time of Peter the great 18:41:56 <frosch123> (isn't quoting wiki siily?) 18:44:41 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not entirely sure about this history, but i think the "rus" were originally a viking tribe, around 1241 the mongols konquered kiev, then went further west towards hungary, and after some struggle with the germans, went further south towards balkan 18:45:51 <Eddi|zuHause> and "ukraine" means something like "border" 18:46:26 <keoz> The "Rus'" (Vikings) installed in the Dniepr basin in the IX century, that's right 18:52:24 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.44] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:53:04 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.44] has joined #openttd 18:54:48 <Eddi|zuHause> why the hell don't they manage to give EPG data 2 weeks in advance? 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20:32:03 <andythenorth> or just more 'realism' 20:32:18 <frosch123> maybe "power supplies" as fourth supply cargo 20:32:32 <frosch123> produced by a donkey breeder in the early days 20:32:38 <andythenorth> it's a funny hack, but I'm not doing it :P 20:32:56 <andythenorth> jokes work on irc, but it's a bit much effort to write them in nfo 20:33:18 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 20:33:34 <Eddi|zuHause> haha :p 20:34:01 <Eddi|zuHause> man... i'm reading through "du" output, but it's not easy to find extraordinarily large files... 20:34:15 <Eddi|zuHause> it's just medicorely sized files that add up.... 20:34:34 <frosch123> you should use du only with --max-depth 20:34:39 <Eddi|zuHause> and i'm not fond of the idea of "just deleting" a 76MB .svn directory... 20:34:48 <Zuu> Personally I think it is a good balance that coal that is so profitable is a bit boring and do not have a secondary industry after the power plant. 20:35:02 <frosch123> 76mb? i deleted 2gb from /usr/portage/distfiles today :p 20:35:13 <Zuu> I guess in FIRS coal has a bit more usage, but is still fairly profitable? 20:35:34 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: this is only contents of my remote ~ 20:35:41 <frosch123> Zuu: good point, andy should drop the powerplant, and deliver coal directly as powersupply 20:35:58 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: i was told off for having 5.9GB of data in it... 20:36:06 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm now down to about 1.2GB 20:36:10 <frosch123> ah, your home folder :p 20:37:57 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: the line i used was "du -s * .* --exclude .. | sort -n" 20:38:15 <andythenorth> rm -r *? 20:38:25 <andythenorth> should sort it out 20:38:35 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: for deleting svn checkouts, you really need -f 20:39:08 <andythenorth> power plant is gone from trunk FIRS 20:39:18 <andythenorth> and coal is *not* delivered as power supply :) 20:39:42 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i liked power plants... 20:39:54 <frosch123> andythenorth: then deliver coal to houses or so 20:40:09 <frosch123> hmm, you have no house set yet, do you? 20:40:12 <andythenorth> nope 20:40:14 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: MB has a house set that does that 20:40:24 <andythenorth> I don't want a house set, thanks though :) 20:41:06 <andythenorth> if we get newgrf control of town growth factors, a house set becomes more attractive 20:42:11 <andythenorth> what would the spec be for newgrf town growth? 20:42:18 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: who cares? 20:42:23 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, makes the TaI kind of towns more useful 20:42:36 <frosch123> andythenorth: generic callbacks 20:42:46 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean ones that don't grow much beyond their historical/medieval borders 20:42:47 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc0847.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:42:54 <andythenorth> I looked at the existing code for growth cargos 20:43:18 <andythenorth> so just specifying the growth cargos in newgrf is a bit too simple? 20:43:41 <andythenorth> I'm happy with the 'deliver 1 unit per month' behaviour 20:44:17 <frosch123> andythenorth: just add monthly cargo statistics to towns (similiar to stations), add a callback for towngrowth, and maybe some persistent registers 20:44:45 <andythenorth> towngrowth would work like industry production? increase or decrease? 20:45:03 <andythenorth> like monthly / random production change cb 20:45:12 <frosch123> no, more like the field planting/tree cutting 20:45:13 <andythenorth> could we close a town :P 20:46:20 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:46:53 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: that would remove all industries nearby... 20:47:04 <Eddi|zuHause> and probably cause oddities with stations 20:47:14 <andythenorth> could be entertaining :D 20:47:22 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: bigger towns could eat smaller towns :p 20:47:22 <andythenorth> or realistic 9.9 20:47:58 <andythenorth> so with cbs we could check things like current date? 20:48:34 *** Nite [5472b1fc@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 20:48:35 <frosch123> date, population, produced/delivered cargo, number of industries, number of serviced industries, distance to next town, ... 20:48:57 <andythenorth> uh oh, I sense some horribly complicated town sets :o 20:48:57 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: i was thinking of turning them into "suburbs"... they get different growth pattern (=more residents, less commerce), inherit the growth speed and the population is added to the "superiour" city 20:49:01 <frosch123> height, snowline, distance to water, ... 20:49:20 <andythenorth> how do existing towns shrink? I've seen it happen. 20:49:26 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: good point, callback for the townradii 20:50:02 <Nite> they shrink when the center is blocked (built on) ... 20:50:04 <frosch123> andythenorth: towns only remove houses when overbuilding with other stuff 20:50:12 <frosch123> so roads resp houses with less population 20:50:16 <andythenorth> 'someone' has lolled in my FIRS thread. what I said wasn't a lol-type thing though :P 20:50:24 <Eddi|zuHause> houses can close down on their own 20:50:33 <Eddi|zuHause> so more houses -> higher chance of one closing 20:50:34 <andythenorth> and not be replaced? 20:50:53 <frosch123> hmm, true, houses close down at certain ages 20:51:16 <Eddi|zuHause> that's why towns stagnate at some level 20:51:19 <andythenorth> so 'shrink' is not currently a town code feature? 20:51:24 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8868.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:51:39 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: no, it's mainly house code 20:51:42 <Nite> again someone on a test-kind-of server placed a huge station in teh center of a also huge town - it shrunk rapidly 20:52:10 <andythenorth> hmm 20:52:34 <frosch123> andythenorth: when a house removes itself there is a chance of 244/256 that a new house appear immediatelly 20:52:56 <andythenorth> I was thinking of (for example) returning 'shrink' to town if not enough of cargo x transported (waste for example) 20:52:58 <andythenorth> not possible? 20:53:28 <Nite> towns somehow need a connection to the center via roads to grow, if it isnt there it shrinks (i think) 20:53:32 <Yexo> reduce the 244/255 chance, then it'll shrink 20:53:40 <frosch123> andythenorth: if you can control the town-radii you can cause big houses to close down, and smaller ones to appear over time 20:54:22 <glx> Nite: they just need a road tile under the town name 20:54:30 <andythenorth> how to write this up? 20:54:53 <Nite> and a connection to the road tile 20:54:59 <frosch123> i.e. the town defines the class of buildings via the town radii, but it is up to the regular newhouses stuff to decide for the actual houses (and their population) 20:55:05 <Nite> no connection no growth 20:55:21 <Nite> (drunken man something on the wiki) 20:57:22 *** George|2 [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 20:57:22 *** George is now known as Guest757 20:57:22 *** George|2 is now known as George 20:57:41 <frosch123> night 20:57:46 <andythenorth> bye 20:57:47 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc028.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:59:40 <Nite> what tile exactly is teh town center? the tile exactly below or one tile under the town name? 21:00:30 *** Guest757 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:00:56 <andythenorth> I've snaggled this transcript. I'll write up some more town growth stuff later http://tt-foundry.com/misc/town_growth.txt 21:03:25 *** Vadtec [~Vadtec@2001:470:b868:8455::1337] has quit [Quit: Vadtec was here...] 21:04:23 *** FooBar [~chatzilla@5ED38575.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 21:08:26 *** Vadtec [~Vadtec@2001:470:b868:8455::1337] has joined #openttd 21:09:34 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:10:32 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CB9D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Progman] 21:10:37 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CB9D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:11:16 <Eddi|zuHause> Nite: below 21:11:28 <Eddi|zuHause> Nite: same as for stations, etc. 21:16:29 *** TruePikachu [~chris@cpe-67-49-42-88.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 21:17:14 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 21:18:56 <Nite> on stations the name is not always on same place, but thx ill figure it out ... 21:20:12 <TruePikachu> For stations, the name is in: 21:20:25 <Nite> i gues though it is one tile southwest since directly below the name houses are built and no road 21:20:31 <Eddi|zuHause> Nite: it's always the northernmost tile 21:20:45 <Eddi|zuHause> Nite: below the center of the name 21:21:03 <TruePikachu> * The location of the first station (in the case that this is in the polygon drawn by the station platforms 21:21:27 <Nite> true - the northern most tile first built 21:21:30 <TruePikachu> * The midpoint of the polygon (in the case the above does not apply). 21:22:07 <TruePikachu> This second rule is important for when bulldozing 21:22:23 <Nite> ok i got it so one tile sw (in my words) 21:23:55 <TruePikachu> Eddi|zuHause: What is your time zone? You are always on when I am 21:24:30 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d142-179-78-244.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 21:27:26 *** FooBar [~chatzilla@5ED38575.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:30:39 *** heffer [~felix@HSI-KBW-095-208-017-052.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 21:35:36 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-150-163.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 21:36:16 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CB9D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:37:33 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 21:39:09 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has left #openttd [Poef!] 21:43:18 *** Tennel [~Tennel@pD9528877.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:43:48 <Terkhen> good night 21:45:49 <Rubidium> night 21:45:57 <Rubidium> that's a good idea actually :) 21:46:43 *** lobstah is now known as lobster 21:53:23 *** KouDy [~KouDy@rb5ck203.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 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