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00:04:20 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.74.94] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 00:05:03 <Eddi|zuHause> what part of that is the question? 00:11:39 <Chrill> Rumours has it the Finnish WRC rally will feature Lahti or Tampere, in addition to JyvÀskylÀ :) 00:12:15 * Rubidium hopes that answers Eddi|zuHause's question :) 00:12:19 <Chrill> wait 00:12:22 <Chrill> now this is the wrong channel 00:12:24 <Chrill> :P 00:12:26 <Chrill> my apologies 00:12:33 <glx> next time try UTF-8 Chrill 00:12:43 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-88-117.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:12:47 <Chrill> see I don't know how I do that 00:13:47 <Eddi|zuHause> you right click on the channel tab and set utf8 as the encoding 00:15:07 *** Netsplit reticulum.oftc.net <-> kinetic.oftc.net quits: LucasKell, Sionide, bartavelle, Aali, ashb 00:15:49 <PeterT> TrueBrain: Lord Aro took my old place 00:20:52 <PeterT> also, thank you :) 00:21:21 *** Netsplit over, joins: bartavelle, LucasKell, Aali, ashb, Sionide 00:21:50 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-184-217.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:22:37 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 00:26:57 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 00:31:17 *** SirSquidness [~sirsquidn@zomg.dongues.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:31:23 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:33:21 *** SirSquidness [~sirsquidn@zomg.dongues.com] has joined #openttd 00:47:57 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-43-148.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:50:13 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-41-32.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 00:50:16 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 00:59:31 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-5-149.A212.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [] 01:04:05 *** Sacro1 [~Sacro@adsl-77-86-44-49.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:13:51 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@ip-178-136-106-77.eidsiva.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:17:46 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:38:27 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@77.106.152.213] has joined #openttd 01:38:30 *** SirSquidness [~sirsquidn@zomg.dongues.com] has quit [Quit: brb rebooting] 01:40:46 *** SirSquidness [~sirsquidn@zomg.dongues.com] has joined #openttd 02:00:00 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.38.92] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:22:45 *** LucasKell [LucasKell@82.34.64.105] has quit [] 02:26:13 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@dslb-094-220-136-233.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 02:26:21 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8da50.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:29:34 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-135-182.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:48:00 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.38.92] has joined #openttd 02:52:24 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:8440:73d5:3b45:f5e0] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:07:21 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@77.106.152.213] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:07:40 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@77.106.152.213] has joined #openttd 03:10:33 <Dewin> Bah. I kind of hastily merged trunk + Chill's patchpack + an updated version of vehicle leasing that fixes cloning issues... and somehow my application of the vehicle leasing pach broke savegame compatibility. 03:22:18 *** lasershock [lasershock@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:31:20 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:34:14 <Eddi|zuHause> patch packs in general tend to do that 03:34:50 <Eddi|zuHause> you either go back to the old version, or you start a new game 03:38:10 <Dewin> Eddi: Well, it goes patchpack > savegame > minor fix to patch that's included in pachpack > savegame compatibility broken. 03:38:12 <Dewin> I'm trying to figure out why 03:38:41 <Dewin> I'm guessing effectively applying the same patch twice caused things to get rearranged in a struct somewhere 03:40:15 <Dewin> and I'm willing to do the fiddling required to make it work 03:43:52 <Dewin> Really, I'm trying to ensure that my own fixed version will be sv-compatible with Chill's next release ;) 03:51:11 *** lasershock [lasershock@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 03:51:41 <Dewin> Or, what I should have done in the very beginning, is just figure out what in the second patch actually fixed the bug I want fixed and just apply that manually. That makes a LOT more sense. Also, I think out loud in IRC alot, which is bad. 04:05:29 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:09:09 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 04:18:24 <Eddi|zuHause> we really can't help you merge patches when you have no clue what they actually do 04:19:32 <Eddi|zuHause> but the first place i would look: the patch pack may have different savegame version than the "clean" patch 04:19:52 <Eddi|zuHause> so you have to update these numbers to the one in the patch pack 04:25:18 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 04:37:09 *** elmz [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 04:56:04 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7577F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:56:24 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77304.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:20:35 *** Sevalecan [Sevalecan@24-247-215-148.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:52:39 *** DDR [~chatzilla@66.183.115.134] has joined #openttd 06:00:12 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc4cc.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 06:09:49 <Terkhen> good morning 06:12:06 <trebuchet> son 06:13:29 <Forked> greetings 06:15:57 *** Sevalecan [Sevalecan@24-247-215-148.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com] has joined #openttd 06:35:10 *** fmauneko [~fmauneko@88.166.241.226] has joined #openttd 06:38:04 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 06:39:38 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:40:52 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r20451 /trunk/src/ (window.cpp window_gui.h): -Codechange: Add helper function Window::GetScrollbar() to get the Scrollbar belonging to a scrollbar widget. 06:44:57 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r20452 /trunk/src/ (27 files in 4 dirs): -Codechange: Remove NWidgetCore::FindScrollbar() and associate scrollbar explicitly using a NWidgetPart via SetScrollbar(). 06:47:52 *** trebuchet [~Trebuchet@69.51.104.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:50:36 *** heffer [~felix@ip-88-152-182-156.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #openttd 07:02:00 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-77-86-44-49.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 07:02:07 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-77-86-44-49.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:02:14 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 07:02:42 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-77-86-44-49.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 07:19:45 *** Dewin [~Daniel@c-71-59-222-35.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:24:14 *** elmz [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:25:23 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF85F6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 07:29:23 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe34dc00-202.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 07:30:22 *** DDR [~chatzilla@66.183.115.134] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 07:31:25 <dihedral> morning 07:31:49 *** DDR [~chatzilla@66.183.115.134] has joined #openttd 07:33:17 <frosch123> meh, there are too many ways to mistype scrolling_scrollbar 07:35:40 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.38.92] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:36:48 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AE6E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:36:51 <planetmaker> nearly a tongue twister 07:36:59 <planetmaker> good morning also 07:48:08 <dihedral> is scrolling_scrollbar a state of the scrollbar when it is being scrolled? 07:49:42 <frosch123> it shall be a Window member variable holding the widget index of a just being dragged scrollbar 07:50:06 <dihedral> to what purpose? ^^ 07:50:31 <frosch123> to make it work? 07:52:58 <ntx> Sweet Scrolling Scrollbars Batman! 07:55:07 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbab5ad.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 07:56:22 *** DDR [~chatzilla@66.183.115.134] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 07:57:56 *** DDR [~chatzilla@66.183.115.134] has joined #openttd 07:58:04 <planetmaker> frosch123: that nearly sounds like more than two scrollbars... 07:58:12 <planetmaker> or a step to that end. Right or wrong? 07:59:58 <frosch123> the former :) 08:03:32 *** fmauneko [~fmauneko@88.166.241.226] has quit [Quit: fmauneko] 08:05:08 <planetmaker> nice :-) 08:08:37 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbab5ad.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:13:49 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:21:29 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 08:29:04 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~Br33z4hSl@92.68.154.34] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 08:29:18 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~Br33z4hSl@92.68.154.34] has joined #openttd 08:37:15 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r20453 /trunk/src/ (28 files in 4 dirs): 08:37:15 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Codechange: Remove direct accesses to Window::hscroll, vscroll and vscroll2. 08:37:15 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: Note: All windows get individual members with the same names, which are initialised via Window::GetScrollbar(). This caching is not required at all, but simplifies conversion. 08:37:32 <planetmaker> hm... I downloaded the last three newgrf via bananas. But each time I start openttd anew, they're indicated as missing in the content download 08:37:43 <planetmaker> The tars are present in the content_download dir and valid tars 08:38:13 <planetmaker> using r20445 08:39:00 <planetmaker> any idea what might go wrong, what I can check to better pin-point the problem? 08:39:18 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r20454 /trunk/ (source.list src/roadveh.h): -Fix: some whitespace. 08:40:14 <frosch123> did you install zlib 1.3 again? 08:40:22 *** DDR [~chatzilla@66.183.115.134] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:40:35 <planetmaker> well. The tars are valid 08:40:36 <frosch123> hmm, though that was also fixed 08:40:48 <planetmaker> the files are successfully downloaded 08:42:49 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r20455 /trunk/src/ (autoreplace_gui.cpp group_gui.cpp): -Codechange: Rename some vscroll and vscroll2 to more suitable names. 08:42:55 <planetmaker> my test example are the finish town names. It's even available ingame for usage 08:46:17 <planetmaker> yes. It is fully functional. Just offered again and again for download 08:46:25 *** DDR [~chatzilla@66.183.115.134] has joined #openttd 08:46:46 <planetmaker> I don't have it twice as it's not available anymore when I delete the file from content_download 08:47:22 <frosch123> well, it is enough to close and reopen the content gui after download 08:47:33 <planetmaker> not for me. 08:47:40 <planetmaker> Not even a full re-start of OpenTTD 08:48:00 <planetmaker> that's what puzzles me 08:48:12 <frosch123> oh, i remember the exact symptoms were there once before. back then there were duplicate / in paths which made it fail 08:48:36 <planetmaker> duplicate "/" or...? 08:50:47 <frosch123> "/" :) 08:50:53 *** Zuu_ [~Zuu@h216n3-ld-c-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com] has joined #openttd 08:51:12 <planetmaker> I don't see that there: http://pastebin.org/474856 08:51:40 <planetmaker> and it's the only file which provides that newgrf 08:53:48 <frosch123> does not seem to apply to other content stuff, so something is wrong with that grf resp. how it is stored on bananas 08:54:24 <planetmaker> same with DanishTransportSet and ChinesTownNames, though I didn't test those too extensively 08:54:32 <planetmaker> But those are the three newest ones 08:54:59 <planetmaker> so... can you reproduce it? 08:55:03 <frosch123> hmm, then i blame bananas, TrueBrain and Rubidium :) 08:55:09 <frosch123> yes, i can 08:55:18 <planetmaker> pew :-) 08:55:24 <planetmaker> Not an OSX bug :-P 08:55:25 *** DDR [~chatzilla@66.183.115.134] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:55:45 <planetmaker> shall I make a bug report? 08:56:03 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-88-117.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 08:56:33 *** Zuu_ is now known as Zuu 08:58:04 *** DDR [~chatzilla@66.183.115.134] has joined #openttd 08:58:10 <planetmaker> well. I do 09:00:05 <planetmaker> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/4027 09:05:36 *** DDR [~chatzilla@66.183.115.134] has quit [Quit: In democracy it's your vote that counts; In feudalism it's your count that votes. - Mogens Jallberg] 09:07:54 <V453000> yea I also noticed that :) 09:07:57 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r20456 /trunk/src/ (widget.cpp widget_type.h window.cpp): -Codechange: Add separate nested widget class for scrollbars. 09:08:03 <V453000> didnt take ist as a bug tho :D 09:09:36 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r20457 /trunk/src/ (widget.cpp window.cpp window_gui.h): -Codechange: Remove _scrolling_scrollbar and WF_SCROLL_MIDDLE and instead store the widget index of the being scrolled scrollbar in the Window. 09:11:24 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r20458 /trunk/src/ (widget.cpp widget_type.h window.cpp window_gui.h): -Codechange: Move Scrollbar from window.cpp to widget.cpp 09:11:35 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:13:16 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r20459 /trunk/src/ (widget.cpp widget_type.h window.cpp window_gui.h): -Codechange: Remove the Scrollbar members of Window and make NWidgetScrollbar inherit from Scrollbar instead. 09:13:41 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.65.210] has joined #openttd 09:14:47 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r20460 /trunk/src/ (widget.cpp widget_type.h window.cpp window_gui.h): -Codechange: Remove WF_SCROLL window flags and store the state directly in the scrollbar widget instead. 09:16:56 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r20461 /trunk/src/ (27 files in 4 dirs): -Codechange: Replace WWT_HSCROLLBAR, WWT_SCROLLBAR and WWT_SCROLL2BAR with NWID_HSCROLLBAR and NWID_VSCROLLBAR. 09:21:59 <frosch123> hmm, no -Add or -Feature :p 09:22:17 *** DarkNemesis [~sara@19NAAA95N.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:27:09 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has joined #openttd 09:27:33 *** heffer [~felix@ip-88-152-182-156.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 09:28:40 <Zuu> hmm, will there be a -Feature: unlimited of scrollbars? 09:29:00 <Zuu> Or is it already there. 09:29:15 <frosch123> already there 09:29:19 <Zuu> Nice 09:30:08 <planetmaker> frosch123, make it 'feature'. Sounds nicer 09:30:16 <planetmaker> and it is one. At least for... you 09:30:27 <frosch123> we do not edit commit messages :) 09:30:41 <planetmaker> oh.... :-) I just should have read it all 09:31:31 <planetmaker> kudos however you called it :-) 09:31:35 <Zuu> Hmm, you could commit something that make use of more scrollbars to demonstrate the feature. :-) 09:31:48 <planetmaker> newgrf gui ;-) 09:32:12 <Zuu> How is it needing an additional scroolbar? 09:32:25 <planetmaker> current, available and description. Each one 09:32:25 <Zuu> For the info-panel? 09:32:29 <planetmaker> yeah 09:32:54 <planetmaker> not that it *needs* one. But it'd be a sane place to add it. 09:34:13 <Zuu> I guess it would also be a sane place to add an additional edit box. :-p 09:34:38 <Zuu> To filter the currently selected grfs. 09:34:50 <planetmaker> :-) 09:34:53 <Zuu> -> reason to implement multiple edit boxes :-p 09:34:58 <planetmaker> hehe 09:37:30 <Zuu> -> reason to add my patch for cycling edit box focus via keyboard :-D 09:37:43 <planetmaker> there you go! :-) 09:38:14 *** perk111 [~perk11@178.34.65.210] has joined #openttd 09:42:55 *** perk1111 [~perk11@178.34.65.210] has joined #openttd 09:43:43 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.65.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:46:36 <frosch123> hmm, you find the silliest bugs only after committing 09:48:00 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r20462 /trunk/src/widget.cpp: -Fix (r20452): Initialise scrollbar_index with -1 to indicate 'no scrollbar associated'. 09:48:19 *** perk111 [~perk11@178.34.65.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:49:02 *** Mek2 [~mek@158.193.90.56] has joined #openttd 09:49:39 <Mek2> hello, how to set up a dedicated server with some admin accounts, please? 09:50:23 <frosch123> http://wiki.openttd.org/Dedicated_server 09:50:26 <Zuu> How about helping out with an already existing server? 09:50:57 <Zuu> We already got plenty of more servers than players. Most of them w/o active admins. 09:53:09 *** DarkNemesis [~sara@cpc5-sgyl30-2-0-cust61.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 09:53:27 <Br33z4hSlut5> Hmm, fancy server names... 09:53:28 <Br33z4hSlut5> http://www.openttd.org/en/servers 09:53:43 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.65.210] has joined #openttd 09:54:55 <Mek2> Zuu: I don't play so often but Slovak people welcome a Slovak server :) as I was told yesterday 09:56:22 <Zuu> Ok 09:56:56 <Zuu> For admin accounts etc. you need to use third party tools, as that is not built into OpenTTD. Apart from the rcon password. 09:57:59 *** perk1111 [~perk11@178.34.65.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:03:39 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 10:04:04 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-77-86-44-49.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:05:33 <Mek2> thank you, rcon is exactly what i was looking for :) 10:16:05 *** Mek2 [~mek@158.193.90.56] has left #openttd [] 10:17:36 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-88-117.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:18:15 *** TomyLobo [~foo@port-212-202-171-176.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 10:24:27 *** perk111 [~perk11@178.34.65.210] has joined #openttd 10:24:48 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.65.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:27:59 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20463 /extra/website/bananas/views.py: [Website] -Fix (r20295) [FS#4027]: don't try to store the int variant of the md5sum; it makes clients go nuts 10:40:08 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] 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I remember the problem, but not the solution, I think last time one of you did the copy on the server 15:51:12 <Yexo> svn: Server sent unexpected return value (502 Bad Gateway) in response to COPY request for '/svn/ai-admiralai/!svn/bc/55/trunk' <- error message 15:53:10 <TrueBrain> yup 15:53:21 *** murr4y [~murray@169.84-49-70.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 15:53:33 <Yexo> could you do that for me again? /trunk to /tags/23 15:53:41 <TrueBrain> nope :p 15:53:43 <TrueBrain> got to run, sorry :) 15:53:46 <TrueBrain> ask Rubidium ;) 15:54:08 <Yexo> ok 16:04:56 *** perk111 [~perk11@178.34.72.255] has joined #openttd 16:05:17 *** root___ [~chatzilla@178.34.92.212] has joined #openttd 16:05:43 *** root___ is now known as xoox 16:06:06 * xoox wants to add OpenTTD to puppy Linux 16:07:04 <planetmaker> xoox could just get the source and compile it... 16:07:39 <planetmaker> xoox should also not use root as a default user ;-) 16:07:52 <xoox> linux-generic works, I just want to submit it to puppy's repository 16:07:55 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@77.106.152.213] has joined #openttd 16:07:59 <planetmaker> ah 16:08:08 <planetmaker> :-) 16:08:28 <xoox> puppy is a personal-use pendrive linux that's rootrun by default 16:08:41 <dihedral> that is silly 16:08:55 <planetmaker> indeed 16:09:03 <dihedral> not even knoppix does that 16:09:22 <xoox> but puppy somewhy does... really silly 16:09:27 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.72.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:10:25 <planetmaker> anyway... are there problems anyone can help you here to add it to the repo? 16:10:57 <xoox> openmsx somewhy depends on opensfx 16:11:05 <planetmaker> nope 16:11:22 <xoox> at least I can't play music if it was downloaded before sounds 16:11:30 <planetmaker> they're independent and can be installed or not. 16:11:45 <planetmaker> sounds strange 16:12:17 <xoox> that's in windows. i just don't know how to adjust sound in linux 16:12:19 <planetmaker> With NoSound as sfx source openmsx should still work 16:12:44 <planetmaker> you probably need libtimidity 16:13:09 <planetmaker> or does sound in general work on your linux? 16:14:30 <xoox> I just don't know how to set sound in linux 16:14:53 <planetmaker> Does sound work for other applications under linux? 16:15:15 <xoox> I do not know how to set sound up for my linux. 16:15:59 <planetmaker> in general. So... again: do you have libtimidity installed? 16:17:22 <xoox> I don't know. this puppy is out-of-box 16:18:01 *** perk111 [~perk11@178.34.72.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:19:26 <xoox> then what? supply puppy without both sound and music? 16:20:46 <planetmaker> if you don't care to check whether you have a sound driver installed, I can't help you for sure 16:21:33 <xoox> I do not know how to check drivers 16:22:53 <xoox> trying to update my slapt-get lists 16:24:25 <xoox> and there's a bug with openttd-fullscreen 16:24:50 <xoox> in 24bit (3-fractional), it gets messy if I try to fullscreen openttd 16:26:32 <frosch123> maybe you installed macosx instead of puppylinux 16:26:56 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbab5ad.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:27:22 <frosch123> anyway, start with -b 32bpp-optimized if you need to 16:27:52 <xoox> 16-bit mode works fine 16:28:09 <xoox> and 16bit here is not as ugly as 16bit WIN 16:28:25 <xoox> here - i'm under Puppy itself atm 16:33:45 *** Biolunar [Mahdi@blfd-5d8204c6.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:34:13 *** xoox is now known as CruelCoke 16:34:57 <CruelCoke> OpenTTD - being packaged for Puppy Linux by CruelCoke 16:36:37 <planetmaker> honestly... you want to pack it for a distro and don't know how to check the distro for the presence of sound drivers?! 16:37:12 <Rubidium> Yexo: more reason to organise a move to mercurial? :) 16:37:20 <Yexo> yes :) 16:37:33 <Yexo> but fore now please create a copy, then I'll organize the move later 16:37:47 <planetmaker> :-) 16:39:38 <Rubidium> any wishes for a message? 16:39:47 <Yexo> -Release: version 23 16:40:04 <Rubidium> roger roger 16:40:37 <Yexo> thanks :) 16:41:01 <planetmaker> hm... why am I now reminded of StarWars 2? ;-) 16:42:14 <frosch123> is 2 more like II or V 16:42:39 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:42:57 <Wolf01> II, the droid that says "roger roger" 16:43:13 <CruelCoke> tried all possible ways, sfx not working 16:43:21 <CruelCoke> what the xunx 16:43:21 <frosch123> hmm, so obviously i am no fan :p 16:43:28 <planetmaker> what Wolf01 sais :-) 16:44:07 * CruelCoke is angry 16:45:10 * CruelCoke missed his walk time because of all this pinux 16:45:14 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r20470 /trunk/src/ (11 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: Make arrow buttons lower and raise like other buttons when clicked. 16:45:28 <planetmaker> :-) 16:45:44 <planetmaker> nice nice 16:45:52 <Rubidium> planetmaker: was more meant to be a clonewars reference 16:46:21 <planetmaker> Well, maybe there's an off-by-one error in my "2" 16:47:04 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbab5ad.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:47:17 <CruelCoke> looks like there's no drivers 16:47:34 <CruelCoke> so how do I test it? 16:49:09 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.72.255] has joined #openttd 16:50:22 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h216n3-ld-c-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:50:49 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h216n3-ld-c-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com] has joined #openttd 16:59:43 <Aemy> CruelCoke: Maybe if you want to solve driver problems you could go on your distro's IRC channel 17:00:30 <Rubidium> or he just didn't install all the development requirements stated in the readme 17:00:35 <CruelCoke> that's channel is just two tabs left from yours in my chatzilla 17:01:21 <Aemy> The question is simple: Does the sound work in other programs? 17:01:48 <CruelCoke> Even test sound did not play when I tried to check sound cards 17:02:13 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.72.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:02:37 <Aemy> Well then I think it's not OpenTTDs nor its requiments fault 17:03:26 <CruelCoke> sfx is just not runnable if linux is in livecd mode. And I unetbootined my linux =_= 17:04:12 <Aemy> I can't understand how you can make SFX work if you haven't everything else the system needs? 17:04:53 <CruelCoke> the system is just in livecd mode hosted on a pendrive 17:05:14 <CruelCoke> and libtimidity is not dloadable in petget or slapt 17:05:40 *** Sacro [~ben@188-220-38-226.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:05:56 *** TheMask96 [martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:06:08 <Rubidium> you should use timidity in any case as that's much simpler to work with 17:06:10 *** Sacro [~ben@188-220-38-226.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:06:19 <Aemy> Can't you just download it and compile it by yourself? 17:06:49 <CruelCoke> slapt gets src's 17:11:04 *** TheMask96 [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:11:43 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.72.255] has joined #openttd 17:12:01 *** dail [626c4721@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 17:15:27 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-115-71.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:18:03 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 17:20:17 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-41-32.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:22:29 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:22:30 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-104-254.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 17:22:33 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 17:26:43 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.72.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:27:23 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:29:00 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:29:09 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 17:29:33 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 17:30:26 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:30:54 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 17:34:11 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:36:34 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.61.172] has joined #openttd 17:45:08 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20471 /trunk/src/ (graph_gui.h ground_vehicle.cpp ground_vehicle.hpp): -Fix: some files didn't have their svn properties set 17:45:24 *** valhallasw [~user@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:47:19 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r20472 /trunk/src/lang/ (italian.txt russian.txt): 17:47:19 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:47:19 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: italian - 2 changes by lorenzodv 17:47:19 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: russian - 1 changes by Lone_Wolf 17:51:03 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-88-117.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:53:11 *** Sionide [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has quit [Server closed connection] 17:53:16 *** Sionide [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has joined #openttd 17:54:14 *** CruelCoke [~chatzilla@178.34.92.212] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.16/2009040213]] 18:02:51 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:03:11 <Wolf01> reboot 18:03:20 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host143-233-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 18:05:48 <Aemy> Silly question. What are the GRFIDs for? 18:06:35 <frosch123> to IDentify GRFs 18:06:58 <frosch123> (silly answer :) 18:07:11 <Aemy> Mmh... but that's not really interesting for a normal user? 18:07:53 <frosch123> oh, for a "normal" user we could remove half of ottd 18:08:00 <Eddi|zuHause> Aemy: in some cases you can read version and author information out of it, if you know how to read it ;) 18:08:52 <frosch123> Aemy: usually you only hide information from the user, if you want to let him pay for it 18:09:24 <Alberth> now that's an idea... :p 18:10:33 *** Aali [~aali@h-90-31.A189.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:10:39 <Aemy> :D 18:14:26 *** perk111 [~perk11@178.34.61.172] has joined #openttd 18:14:57 <Alberth> Aemy: the use of a grfid is for reporting problems to the author. It is often useful to know what version you used, just like it is useful to know which openttd version you use when reporting problems 18:15:29 <Alberth> Aemy: although not every grf author actually changes the grfid with each version :( 18:15:39 <Aemy> Oh, okay. 18:16:43 <planetmaker> Alberth, the problem with the GRFID is that it is a mix of version and machine-readable name 18:17:07 <planetmaker> It's not usable as a version. Except possibly major and only some minor ones 18:17:31 <Alberth> hello planetmaker 18:17:45 <planetmaker> :-) and yes, a nice evening to you :-) 18:18:02 <planetmaker> and all others, of course, too 18:18:38 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.61.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:18:55 <Ammler> maybe someone should tell Alberth about Action14 18:19:11 <planetmaker> well. But action14 doesn't really solve it either, does it? 18:19:13 <Alberth> yes please :) 18:19:44 <planetmaker> hm. it does 18:19:45 <Alberth> not to mention that most grfs have never heard of action 14 :) 18:19:54 <planetmaker> any heart of it so far? 18:19:57 <Ammler> those are all simply Version 0 :-) 18:19:59 <Rubidium> planetmaker: exactly, it merely makes showing only the newest NewGRF easier 18:20:18 <Eddi|zuHause> i think andythenorth experimented with action 14 in FIRS 18:20:49 <planetmaker> Rubidium, an extension to action14 could then be: min_compatible version 18:21:06 <Ammler> that is still the GRFID 18:21:09 <planetmaker> but then... that should be reflected in the grfid. yes 18:21:34 <Rubidium> planetmaker: action14 versions aren't stored 18:21:36 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: yes, seen the nice options already? 18:21:39 <planetmaker> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Action14 <-- anyway... I missed the GRF version so far completely for some reason or another 18:22:01 * planetmaker needs action14 support in NML 18:22:20 <Alberth> do you have syntax in mind? 18:22:30 <frosch123> didn't hirundo added it some hours after ottd support? 18:22:47 <planetmaker> kinda. Let me write it down... 18:22:51 <planetmaker> Or I should check again. 18:23:11 <planetmaker> but afaik not (completely) 18:23:24 <frosch123> hmm, though sometimes i confuse the commit messages with the issue tracking :) 18:23:58 <planetmaker> yeah... it's an open issue 18:24:07 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1174 <-- Alberth 18:24:14 <planetmaker> I actually wrote down my thoughts already ;-) 18:24:22 <planetmaker> memory like a sieve... :S 18:25:57 <frosch123> Feature: write action14 with grf name/description translations to the output <- but some stuff is already available 18:25:57 <Ammler> I guess, Action14 is already in 18:26:04 <Ammler> not complete? 18:26:24 <planetmaker> admittedly I didn't try 18:26:33 <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/search/index/nml?q=Action14 18:27:37 <planetmaker> well. that only mentions that action14 doesn't need to be guarded by action7/9 18:28:00 <planetmaker> oh... further down :-) 18:28:03 <Yexo> only a small part of action14 is currently supported (translateable name and description) 18:28:23 <planetmaker> ok :-) 18:28:24 <Yexo> I had a proposal for syntax for the parameter part, but I'm not sure where I put that, probably only on some pastebin 18:28:34 <planetmaker> he :-) 18:28:38 <planetmaker> Put it on the tracker 18:29:01 <Yexo> I don't have it anymore :( 18:29:20 <planetmaker> maybe you have a better memory than me? ;-) 18:29:24 *** Aali [~aali@h-90-31.A189.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 18:29:27 <planetmaker> then you could add it there 18:29:45 <Yexo> going to check #devzone logs first, see if I can find the link 18:31:46 <andythenorth> evening 18:32:48 <planetmaker> moin andythenorth 18:32:50 <andythenorth> frosch123: I'm reading MaybeNewIndustry() 18:33:11 <andythenorth> I want to see if it can be patched to ensure at least one instance of an industry type could be built soon after intro date 18:34:46 <Yexo> planetmaker: alternative syntax uploaded: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1174 18:35:39 *** Beengalas [~Mattiashe@nl105-254-252.student.uu.se] has joined #openttd 18:35:42 <Eddi|zuHause> i absolutely have no clue what this guy is talking about: http://www.tt-ms.de/forum/showthread.php?tid=4795&pid=65117#pid65117 18:36:05 <planetmaker> Yexo, parameter number is determined by the order of the param {} blocks? 18:36:10 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: me neither, it's all in German :P 18:36:15 <Yexo> yes 18:36:16 <planetmaker> I'm not sure I quite understand you there 18:36:20 <Eddi|zuHause> it's worse than when some russian guy shoves his stuff through an online translator... 18:36:31 <planetmaker> because you define a numeric, two boolean and another numeric one and then parameter1 18:36:48 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h216n3-ld-c-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:36:49 <planetmaker> or is that just taking the bits of the first dword? 18:36:50 *** fjb [~frank@p5485B0B5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:36:51 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: well, the problem is. it is not :) 18:37:08 <fjb> Moin 18:37:16 <planetmaker> moin fjb 18:37:21 <Beengalas> Suggestion: make it possible to customize the top menu and botton bar. It is quite annoying to have it in the middle when dual-screening. 18:37:25 <Eddi|zuHause> quak fjb 18:37:39 <fjb> quak Eddi|zuHause 18:37:51 <planetmaker> Beengalas, suggestion. read the manual and find out how to change that 18:38:20 <planetmaker> (at least for the top menu) 18:38:50 <Beengalas> I know I can change setting as 'left, center and right'. But I would like to move it as I wish. 18:38:57 *** DDR [~chatzilla@66.183.115.134] has joined #openttd 18:39:12 <planetmaker> what's wrong with left then? Or right? 18:39:40 <Beengalas> I want it centered on my left screen. 18:39:54 <planetmaker> I want a pony :-D 18:40:00 <Eddi|zuHause> there was a patch that does that, but that was kinda hacky 18:40:55 <Yexo> planetmaker: the numeric, 2 booleans and the other numeric are all stored in parameter 0 (param[0] in the nml code) 18:40:56 <Beengalas> Yeah, well, just a suggestion. 18:41:14 <planetmaker> Yexo, must version be numeric? 18:41:17 <Yexo> normally you'd store one numeric setting per parameter, but more is allowed 18:41:26 <Yexo> yes, version is a dword 18:41:30 <planetmaker> ok 18:41:57 <planetmaker> Yexo, how would I then go for something where I use parameters 0,1,2,11? 18:42:08 <Yexo> you don't ;P 18:42:12 <planetmaker> mind the gap? :-) 18:42:18 <Yexo> why would you want the user to set parameter 11 but not 10? 18:42:25 <Yexo> that's not even possible in ttdpatch / older openttd versions 18:42:26 <planetmaker> well, if I don't it's ok, too 18:42:44 <planetmaker> Yexo, I use a not easily wrongly set parameter possibly as my debug parameter. Or could. 18:42:46 <Ammler> planetmaker: you need to be sure, that every parameter is default with 0 18:42:48 <Yexo> but I suppose you could leave one param {} block empty to skip a number 18:43:13 <Ammler> Action14 does set it to null, if you don't set it 18:43:13 <planetmaker> Well, I guess it's really not important 18:43:23 <Ammler> 0* 18:43:39 <planetmaker> I don't use it, I made it into the first for se rails, also available to the user. 18:43:39 <Yexo> same as before, that behavior hasn't changed 18:43:53 <planetmaker> Yexo, then I actually prefer your proposal 18:44:22 <planetmaker> Is there a min_value for a parameter? Or possibly a default value? The latter would be especially nice :-) 18:44:33 <Ammler> sadly not :-( 18:44:38 *** Omega44 [ae603e9e@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 18:44:46 <Yexo> min-value yes, but the default is still always 0 18:44:52 <Yexo> even if you set min-value to 5 you can get value 0 18:44:52 <planetmaker> ok 18:45:17 <Omega44> Is the game ever going to have some kind of highway or something because as a simcity freak I'm always concerned about the actual town growing/issues with it as well with transport 18:45:29 <Omega44> like for example with single roads my bus stations get crowded 18:45:34 <planetmaker> Omega44, maybe. maybe not. 18:45:46 <Omega44> is it better to make your own double roads 18:45:49 <planetmaker> Even likely. But when? Ask a crystal ball or start programming it 18:45:55 <Omega44> and do like double stations connected or something 18:46:05 <Omega44> just thinking of strategy here 18:46:05 <Omega44> heh 18:46:17 <Omega44> my bus stations get real crowded real fast 18:46:31 <Ammler> I did it like "if param0 = 0 then param0=<default>" 18:46:42 <planetmaker> You know that you can combine nearly infinite bus stations to a big RV station, Omega44 ? 18:46:48 *** perk111 [~perk11@178.34.61.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:46:55 <planetmaker> Ammler, that's what se rails does now 18:47:05 <planetmaker> kinda. For internal parameters 18:47:15 <Ammler> planetmaker: 0 != unset 18:47:25 <Omega44> well atm i have a kinda avenue (is what they call it in simcity 4) 18:47:29 <Omega44> and 1 station on each lane 18:47:31 <Omega44> but connected 18:47:32 <Yexo> unset implies 0, but not the other way around 18:47:37 <Omega44> so 2 cars can basically be in one 18:48:36 <planetmaker> Omega44, even 4 can already be in one drive-through stop 18:49:30 <Ammler> Yexo: it makes someone ActionD with 80+ useless 18:49:36 <Ammler> somehow* 18:49:55 <Omega44> oh 18:50:01 <Omega44> so then i can now handle 8 cars 18:50:02 <Ammler> which I liked :-) 18:50:04 <Omega44> cuz i did this 18:50:04 <Omega44> ok 18:50:24 <Yexo> Ammler: I'm aware of that problem, but adding a "default" field to action14 does not solve that 18:50:32 <Yexo> as that "default" field will not work in older openttd / ttdpatch 18:50:41 <Ammler> no, you still need actiond 18:51:15 <Eddi|zuHause> <planetmaker> Omega44, even 4 can already be in one drive-through stop <-- but when combined with one-way road 18:51:30 <Omega44> is there a one way street option? 18:51:39 <ccfreak2k> Yes. 18:51:40 <Omega44> cuz atm i just used 2 roads along side each other 18:52:18 <Ammler> it is just that you once said, Action14 shouldn't change behavior and add meta infos only 18:52:38 <Ammler> now it does actively set parameters to 0 and "disable" actiond with 80+ 18:52:52 <Omega44> all i saw was road and streetcar 18:53:03 <Omega44> guess thats an addon 18:53:04 <Eddi|zuHause> Omega44: yes, it's in the road toolbar 18:53:13 <Omega44> mine only has road and streetcar 18:53:20 <Omega44> i would need to addon 18:53:24 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:53:26 <Eddi|zuHause> select the road 18:53:35 <Omega44> i already have a bunch of other ones in the game 18:53:35 <Omega44> heh 18:53:38 <Eddi|zuHause> in there, you have option to build road, depot, station etc. 18:53:38 <Yexo> Ammler: it only actively sets parameters to 0 when a user actually changes them 18:53:47 <Ammler> or skips 18:53:48 <Eddi|zuHause> there's also one-way sign in there 18:53:50 <Omega44> yeah 18:53:54 <Omega44> But these are normal roads 18:53:57 <Omega44> not 1 way roads 18:54:11 <Ammler> if you set param3, param0-2 will become 0 18:54:28 <Ammler> (or setting) 18:54:31 <Yexo> which is exactly as it was, you can't set param3 without setting param 0 .. 2 18:54:52 <Ammler> yes, but now you can :-) 18:55:13 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 18:55:30 <Ammler> hmm, maybe make parameters inactive until n-1 is set? 18:56:28 <Yexo> adding a default to action14 would probably mean that openttd would set all parameters as soon as you add it to newgrf list 18:56:34 <Omega44> like i said it just under the list has streetcar and road , no other types under it 18:56:40 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-27f4e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 18:56:44 <Ammler> Yexo: would that hurt? 18:57:04 <Yexo> not sure, but it would also break actiond op 80+ 18:57:07 <Terkhen> Omega44: http://wiki.openttd.org/Roadway_construction#Building_one-way_roads 18:57:18 <Ammler> yes, but to a value you like 18:57:24 <Ammler> not just to 0 18:57:29 <Omega44> OOOO 18:57:45 <Omega44> also i downloaded a tram and activated it but still dont see tram option 18:57:55 <Yexo> true, there might be a point in that 18:59:07 <Omega44> oh dang i didnt even notice the 1 way road button 18:59:08 <Omega44> doh 18:59:25 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host143-233-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:59:55 <Wolf01> gah, stupid network bridge 18:59:56 <Alberth> you survived the reboot 18:59:57 <Ammler> maybe basecosts are the only thing, where default likes to be something else than 0, 19:00:11 <Eddi|zuHause> Omega44: they are not another type 19:00:14 <frosch123> planetmaker: how close is the makefile tied to nml? 19:00:31 <Omega44> Trams are 19:00:35 <Omega44> it said in the thing 19:00:48 <Omega44> http://wiki.openttd.org/Trams 19:00:56 <planetmaker> frosch123, the newgrf makefile? It can do both, NML and NFO 19:00:59 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:00:59 <Omega44> i dled a tram but dont see it 19:01:04 <Omega44> i activated it 19:01:08 <frosch123> i.e. maybe nml could determine the version from hg directly by default 19:01:16 <planetmaker> and also OpenGFX with a slight add-on. Same with OpenSFX and OpenMSX 19:01:23 <planetmaker> hehe 19:01:25 <frosch123> though that does likely not work for releases 19:01:28 <planetmaker> I proposed that 19:01:32 <planetmaker> It was rejected ;-) 19:01:42 <frosch123> :) 19:01:48 <Terkhen> Omega44: http://wiki.openttd.org/Roadway_construction#Types_of_roadways <-- if you selected the tram newgrf at the newgrf options, it should appear as in the screenshot 19:01:59 <planetmaker> but that was before action14. And... it makes sense. kinda 19:02:19 <Omega44> yeah i did 19:02:25 <Omega44> i activated it 19:02:28 <Omega44> and it doesnt show up 19:02:37 <frosch123> planetmaker: release branches will cause trouble though 19:03:03 <planetmaker> But it's possible to have the version written from hg by the makefile to it. 19:03:08 <planetmaker> frosch123, yeah. possibly 19:03:10 <Omega44> pretty strange 19:03:10 <frosch123> hmm, actually not 19:03:19 <Omega44> i dled in the list "generic tram set" 19:03:35 <planetmaker> but it could still take the integer revision of the repo 19:03:41 *** Wolf03 [~wolf01@host143-233-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:03:41 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest219 19:03:41 *** Wolf03 is now known as Wolf01 19:03:47 <Ammler> can't you use the custom_tags for it? 19:03:48 <frosch123> if you have branches you usually want to see both the nightly and stable in the gui, and they may have different grfids anyway 19:03:58 <planetmaker> Ammler, yes, I think. Though that's a string 19:04:07 <frosch123> so integerrevision might be enough in 99% of cases 19:04:11 <planetmaker> frosch123, well. Not so often :-) 19:04:14 <Wolf01> yes, this eth bridge is really stupid 19:04:15 <andythenorth> Omega44: go to your road vehicle menu, then check 'available vehicles' 19:04:15 <planetmaker> Only FIRS 19:04:16 <Alberth> Omega44: you are aware that most settings in the main menu are only copied into the game when you start a new game? When you load one, it uses the settings loaded from the game 19:04:42 <Omega44> yes 19:04:44 <Omega44> i started a new game 19:04:46 <Omega44> too 19:04:50 <Omega44> and nope 19:04:51 <Omega44> no option 19:05:05 <planetmaker> Omega44, what's the game year? 19:05:18 <Omega44> it's not even greyed out 19:05:24 *** dail [626c4721@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 19:05:33 <Omega44> it's 1965 19:05:38 <Omega44> did that so i could have my monorails 19:05:50 <Omega44> which is a sep thing i added to the game 19:05:58 <Omega44> more monorail stuff 19:05:59 <Ammler> Omega44: you need to enable the grf, not just downloading 19:06:01 <Omega44> from a japan set 19:06:11 <Omega44> it should be... 19:06:12 <Ammler> is it in "active sets"? 19:06:15 <Omega44> unless theres a paramater 19:06:17 <Omega44> yes... 19:06:25 <planetmaker> what is 'active sets' for you? 19:06:34 <planetmaker> what window and where? 19:06:50 <Yexo> Omega44: just upload a savegame, much easier for others to see what's wrong 19:07:07 <planetmaker> or a screenshot of your newgrf list 19:07:19 <Omega44> i can just tell ya 19:07:38 <planetmaker> <frosch123> so integerrevision might be enough in 99% of cases <-- yes. FIRS needs special attention. But that's fine 19:07:40 <Omega44> it's not much 19:07:59 <planetmaker> It's anyway the most complex newgrf in our repo by those (and some other) standards 19:08:14 <planetmaker> it's a nice "we learn things on it" newgrf ;-) 19:08:15 <Omega44> ok 19:08:20 <Omega44> ill take ss 19:08:26 *** Guest219 [~wolf01@host143-233-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:08:42 <planetmaker> oh, leave the SS in their graves. 19:08:44 <planetmaker> :-P 19:09:03 * planetmaker hides 19:09:45 <Omega44> http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/7608/84796350.jpg 19:09:50 <Omega44> this is what my list looks like 19:10:11 <Omega44> tram is the one that isnt on 19:10:14 <Omega44> in the game 19:10:17 <Omega44> but it says it's on 19:10:18 <Omega44> here 19:10:51 <Yexo> uploading a savegame would help, because we could see the problem for ourselves 19:10:56 <Yexo> it might be something with your settings 19:11:33 <Omega44> maybe i could just try reinstalling the game 19:11:37 <Omega44> ? 19:11:39 <planetmaker> oh no 19:11:47 <Yexo> you could try, but that wouldn't help you at all 19:12:30 <Omega44> well if it clears out all the new gcfs 19:12:31 <andythenorth> Omega44: how do you know there are no trams (where are you looking)? 19:12:46 <Omega44> right where the thing said on the wiki 19:12:47 <Omega44> right there 19:12:57 <Omega44> just says road and streetcar 19:12:58 <Omega44> no tram 19:13:08 <Omega44> heh i seem so anoying atm 19:13:10 <Omega44> dont i 19:13:19 <planetmaker> not yet ;-) 19:13:34 <planetmaker> Omega44, click the road construction menu and keep it clicked. 19:13:40 <planetmaker> Can you then select tram construction? 19:13:48 <Omega44> nope 19:13:49 <andythenorth> streetcar = tram in US translation? 19:13:52 <planetmaker> yes 19:13:55 <Omega44> like i said road and streetcar 19:13:57 <Omega44> oh? 19:13:57 <frosch123> Omega44: what is the difference between tram and streetcar? 19:14:16 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.61.172] has joined #openttd 19:14:17 <Omega44> oh is this just a translation issue lol 19:14:18 <andythenorth> Omega44: you're using US or Canadian English? 19:14:23 <planetmaker> looool?! 19:14:24 <Omega44> USA 19:14:35 <andythenorth> Try streetcar :) 19:14:37 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.61.172] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:14:54 <planetmaker> omg, omg 19:14:56 <Omega44> yep this might be a translation thing 19:15:16 <planetmaker> I never thought _native_ speakers would have that issue 19:15:22 <Omega44> wait 19:15:24 <Omega44> no this isnt a tram 19:15:29 <Omega44> it looks dif 19:15:57 <planetmaker> I could paint a rhinozeros and call it tram ;-) 19:16:01 <Omega44> http://wiki.openttd.org/images/5/5d/Tramway_construction.png it doesnt have all of this 19:16:24 <planetmaker> yes. The icons look different, right? 19:16:28 <andythenorth> frosch123: did you see my question about MaybeNewIndustry? 19:16:28 <Omega44> yeah 19:16:34 <Omega44> the icons look dif 19:16:39 <Omega44> guess thats my end 19:16:40 <planetmaker> Don't bother 19:16:49 <planetmaker> Same order, different look, same functionality 19:16:54 <planetmaker> Just different base set. 19:16:59 <Omega44> ok 19:17:00 <planetmaker> You use the new one 19:17:05 <Omega44> then i guess im stupid 19:17:09 <planetmaker> the wiki often still has the proprietary one 19:17:19 <Omega44> but thanks 19:17:27 *** Omega44 [ae603e9e@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 19:17:30 <planetmaker> hover your mouse over... 19:17:37 <frosch123> andythenorth: i read you were exploring it 19:17:43 <Ammler> someone should replace all screens on the wiki with opengfx version :-) 19:17:44 <andythenorth> I explored it :D 19:17:52 <andythenorth> Ammler: feel free :P 19:17:53 <planetmaker> and exploded? 19:17:56 <andythenorth> or mail someone 19:18:06 <Ammler> nah, I leave that to someone 19:18:17 <andythenorth> frosch123: I'm not sure what a design should be (if any) 19:18:35 <Ammler> maybe this translation guy could do it ;-) 19:18:40 <frosch123> planetmaker: stable has no hover 19:18:45 <andythenorth> I wondered if the game could round-robin the available industry types, instead of picking a random one 19:19:03 <andythenorth> if that makes sense...? 19:19:13 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20473 /trunk/src/ (object.h object_cmd.cpp town_cmd.cpp): -Codechange: pass Town instead of TownID to BuildObject 19:20:07 <frosch123> andythenorth: adding a callback for the appearance probability would be possible 19:20:37 <frosch123> but triggering construction at a specific point in time is a far more complicated issue 19:21:10 <andythenorth> Can MaybeNewIndustry cache what type it tried last time it ran? 19:21:23 <frosch123> it conflicts with various other interests about the economy model itself 19:22:06 <frosch123> what use would a history of tries have? 19:22:11 <andythenorth> I think a hidden AI with unlimited funds might be a better way to force building on a certain date. 19:22:36 <frosch123> exactly 19:23:06 <andythenorth> History of tries - if a new industry type is not in history of attempts, try and build it... 19:23:15 <andythenorth> I'm sure it has unintended consequences I haven't thought of though 19:23:21 <frosch123> but then you enter the scenario/goal area, which is a treacherous and unexplored land :) 19:23:45 <andythenorth> currently the 'intro date' feature in FIRS is pretty sucky and should probably be removed 19:24:22 <frosch123> andythenorth: storing history is always stupid. how about a callback which sets the probability using date and number of industries in total / for certain types? 19:24:45 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host143-233-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:24:46 <andythenorth> possibly. You are normally much more right than me about these things 19:25:23 <andythenorth> frosch123: a probability cb might be generally useful anyway (for FIRS economies) 19:27:08 <frosch123> hmm, i think we talked about that before 19:27:15 <andythenorth> frosch123: so to increase the chance of one industry type building, I might also find myself decreasing the chance for others? 19:27:53 <frosch123> the availability callback should not return a stupid bool, but a probability 19:28:06 <andythenorth> Alternative route: I was wondering about ignoring the cumulative probabilities until there is at least one instance of each available type. 19:28:13 <andythenorth> That could get deadlocked though 19:28:48 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe double/triple/other the cumulative chance for an industry that is not on the map? 19:29:45 <frosch123> andythenorth: that is done during map generation 19:30:08 <frosch123> but not useful in game, if there is no space for a industry, there is no space 19:30:15 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: that could be handled with the callback 19:31:11 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host53-232-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:31:23 <andythenorth> frosch123: hmm 19:31:38 <andythenorth> ignoring cum. prob would be nice except for the deadlock problem 19:31:43 <andythenorth> grrr 19:36:55 <PeterT> hehe cum 19:37:25 <andythenorth> please kick him 19:41:01 *** welshdragon [rdlBNC@ip04.rdlbnc.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:43:19 *** fjb [~frank@p5485B0B5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:44:13 *** fjb [~frank@p5485B0B5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:45:08 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF85F6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:47:33 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 19:52:02 *** orudge` [~orudge@88-104-214-40.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 19:52:05 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge`] by ChanServ 19:52:07 <Wolf01> gah.. I double-bridged the cable lan with the wifi pen... that was the problem :| 19:53:43 *** fanioz [b4d6e913@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 19:54:39 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe34dc00-202.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 19:54:41 *** valhallasw [~user@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting] 19:58:32 *** orudge [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:02:34 <andythenorth> frosch123: to make use of a prob. cb, do I end up with some kind of o(n) problem.... 20:02:49 <andythenorth> where every industry has to count every other industry? 20:03:02 <andythenorth> maybe not 20:03:06 *** Andel [~andel@owenrudge.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:03:20 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@yoda.zernebok.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:04:22 <frosch123> the cb could get some parameters, like number of industries of the type, and in total 20:04:39 <frosch123> to query a amount of a specific industrytype it would need some parameterized variable 20:05:46 <andythenorth> hmm 20:05:55 * andythenorth scratches head 20:07:32 <andythenorth> frosch123: can already check those with var 67 / 68? 20:08:26 *** tycoondemon [~thok@cc64025-c.hnglo1.ov.home.nl] has quit [Quit: If I were a rich man, Ya ha deedle deedle, bubba bubba deedle deedle dum. 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I remember giving this some thought a while ago 20:44:33 <andythenorth> write anything down? 20:45:07 <frosch123> what is the effect of those categories? 20:45:13 <frosch123> or only the name? 20:45:46 <Terkhen> some properties could be different, such as cargos required for growth 20:46:35 <frosch123> ok, that fits my idea of a spec :) 20:46:41 <Terkhen> http://wiki.openttd.org/Talk:Peter1138/Towngrowth_Challenge <--- it is all here, I was commenting on Korenn's project... IIRC he dissapeared after I posted all of this 20:47:19 <Terkhen> I still was getting to know the NewGRF specs, so I probably have big errors on my assumptions 20:47:46 *** perk111 [~perk11@178.34.61.172] has joined #openttd 20:48:33 <Terkhen> IMO the project was too specific, but some ideas can be used for a generic spec 20:50:56 <andythenorth> I should write something up 20:51:20 <andythenorth> maybe tomorrow. my brain is fried 20:53:18 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.61.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:53:58 *** perk111 [~perk11@178.34.61.172] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:54:35 <Terkhen> :) 20:55:12 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.61.172] has joined #openttd 20:56:31 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.61.172] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:57:44 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.61.172] has joined #openttd 20:59:38 *** orudge [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 20:59:41 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 21:00:05 *** Andel [~andel@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 21:00:06 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@yoda.zernebok.com] has joined #openttd 21:00:15 *** orudge` [~orudge@88-104-214-40.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: Goodbye.] 21:00:40 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@f234099.upc-f.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 21:02:03 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.61.172] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:04:19 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.61.172] has joined #openttd 21:08:04 *** ashb [~ash@callisto.firemirror.com] has quit [Server closed connection] 21:08:17 *** ashb [~ash@callisto.firemirror.com] has joined #openttd 21:10:24 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:14:20 <Wolf01> 'night 21:14:25 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host53-232-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:14:26 <andythenorth> bye 21:14:45 *** Mek2 [~mek@158.193.90.56] has joined #openttd 21:15:08 * Zuu_ dreams of a PI-regulator for his AI 21:15:14 *** Zuu_ is now known as Zuu 21:15:29 <Mek2> hello, I cannot ban/kick clients using rcon, it keeps displaying command help, is it a bug? (rcon password kick 24) despite the fact that directly it works (kick 24) 21:17:02 <glx> use " 21:17:13 <glx> rcon password "command args" 21:17:24 <Mek2> heh, thank you 21:17:30 <Mek2> not really straightforward :) 21:17:38 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.61.172] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:17:43 <glx> help rcon tells it 21:18:24 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 21:18:52 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.61.172] has joined #openttd 21:21:23 *** perk111 [~perk11@178.34.61.172] has joined #openttd 21:23:00 <Eddi|zuHause> imho it's a big misfeature... 21:23:15 <frosch123> change it 21:26:43 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: keoz] 21:26:58 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.61.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:29:47 *** Mek2 [~mek@158.193.90.56] has quit [Quit: Mek2] 21:31:45 *** DDR [~chatzilla@66.183.115.134] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:34:12 *** welshdragon [rdlBNC@ip04.rdlbnc.com] has joined #openttd 21:36:37 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc4cc.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:36:56 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.61.172] has joined #openttd 21:37:11 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r20474 /trunk/ (11 files in 5 dirs): -Cleanup: remove some unused code 21:40:06 *** Biolunar [Mahdi@blfd-5d8204c6.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: gn8] 21:40:27 *** Netsplit resistance.oftc.net <-> charon.oftc.net quits: lennard, V453000, Fuco, Devroush, JVassie_, Fast2, a1270, zachanima, lobstah, Hirundo, (+8 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 21:41:10 *** Luukland [~Luukland@s5590300f.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 21:41:13 *** Netsplit over, joins: JVassie_, Fuco, Ammler, Hirundo, Fast2, lobstah, theholyduck, Devroush, a1270, zachanima (+8 more) 21:41:13 *** Luukland [~Luukland@s5590300f.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:41:44 *** perk1113 [~perk11@178.34.61.172] has joined #openttd 21:42:23 *** welterde [welterde@hex.srv.welterde.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:42:24 <TrueBrain> stop doing that 21:42:28 *** perk111 [~perk11@178.34.61.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:42:58 *** welterde [welterde@hex.srv.welterde.de] has joined #openttd 21:44:15 *** perk111 [~perk11@178.34.61.172] has joined #openttd 21:46:57 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.61.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:49:23 <Terkhen> good night 21:49:48 *** perk1113 [~perk11@178.34.61.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:51:50 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.61.172] has joined #openttd 21:52:50 *** avdg [~Adium@78-21-57-217.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 21:56:18 *** perk111 [~perk11@178.34.61.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:00:22 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has quit [Quit: Good bye] 22:02:09 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.61.172] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:03:23 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.61.172] has joined #openttd 22:04:09 <Eddi|zuHause> i would change that, but i'm not confident in C/C++ string handling... 22:05:41 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 22:08:28 <ccfreak2k> I am! 22:08:31 <ccfreak2k> Sort of. 22:09:01 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r20475 /trunk/src/pathfinder/yapf/yapf.hpp: -Fix (r20474): also remove the include of crc32.hpp 22:10:31 *** George is now known as Guest241 22:10:35 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 22:12:28 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.61.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:13:05 <Eddi|zuHause> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/rcon.diff <-- objections? 22:14:03 <Eddi|zuHause> (i have not waited for compile to finish, so may have syntax errors) 22:17:36 *** Guest241 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:17:40 *** TomyLobo [~foo@port-212-202-171-176.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: A key, command, or action that tells the system to return to a previous state or stop a process.] 22:17:50 <Yexo> you should put "" around each argument when adding it to the buffer 22:17:58 <Yexo> also make sure to given an error when you overflow buffer 22:18:09 <Eddi|zuHause> how do i do that? 22:18:11 <Yexo> idea is good, implementation not yet 22:18:40 <Eddi|zuHause> and what's a recommended size for the buffer? 22:18:42 <Yexo> strecat(buf, "\"", lastof(buf)); <- you could add two lines like that 22:18:56 <Yexo> there is probably a constant that can be used 22:19:02 <Yexo> not sure which one though, will have a look 22:19:41 *** DDR [~chatzilla@66.183.115.134] has joined #openttd 22:21:08 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't see any examples for checking "buffer full" 22:21:27 <Yexo> NETWORK_RCONCOMMAND_LENGTH 22:23:56 *** last_evolution [~last_evol@ip-86-49-60-58.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 22:26:01 <Yexo> http://devs.openttd.org/~yexo/rcon_args.diff <- something like this (it's completely untested though 22:26:24 <Yexo> if (buf == lastof(buf)) { 22:26:24 <Yexo> <- and that is wrong 22:27:10 <Eddi|zuHause> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/rcon2.diff <-- that's my current state 22:27:29 <ccfreak2k> rcon.diff looks syntactically correct on first glance. 22:27:35 <ccfreak2k> But I have a boiling pot to attend to. 22:27:35 <Eddi|zuHause> not entirely correct either 22:27:45 <Yexo> you don't have to enclose the first one in "", in fact you shouldn't to keep compatibility with the current usage 22:27:54 <Eddi|zuHause> syntax is irrelevant ;) 22:28:45 <Eddi|zuHause> Yexo: it probably needs more intelligent checking if there are already "" there 22:28:57 <Yexo> not sure if that's possible at all 22:29:10 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not sure if they might be stripped before 22:29:15 <Yexo> they are 22:29:33 <Yexo> anyway, I'm not going to spend more time on it now, feel free to do whatever you want with my patch 22:29:38 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:30:02 <Yexo> I won't have any time to look at it tomorrow either, so if someone else wants to commit something like this that's fine 22:32:41 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 22:34:46 *** Eoin [~eoin@92.233.180.18] has joined #openttd 22:36:55 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r20476 /trunk/src/aircraft_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: simplify a check in aircraft_cmd.cpp by using the existing CanVehicleUseStation 22:42:57 <Eddi|zuHause> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/rcon2.diff <-- i'm really not sure if that's correct... 22:43:00 <Eddi|zuHause> err... 22:43:06 <Eddi|zuHause> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/rcon3.diff 22:43:44 <glx> I hate when diff are not readable in the browser 22:44:02 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no influence on the mime types 22:44:24 <Eddi|zuHause> it opens in konqueror here... 22:44:41 <glx> firefox wants to download it 22:45:33 <glx> (IE too) 22:46:22 <Eddi|zuHause> i also have no server setup to test it... 22:50:00 <glx> hmm you add many " it seems 22:50:22 <Eddi|zuHause> that was yexo's idea 22:50:34 <Eddi|zuHause> enclose each argument in "" 22:51:07 <Yexo> without doing that: rcon passwd say "a b" 22:51:13 <Yexo> becomes on the server: say a b 22:51:13 <glx> IIRC " are just there so arg[2] is "command args" 22:51:42 <Eddi|zuHause> glx: but when you want to say "command "arg 1" arg2"? 22:52:17 <Yexo> glx: they aren't, arg[2] is command args (without the quotes) 22:53:33 <Eddi|zuHause> if one now says: rcon pw cmd "arg 1" arg2, it becomes "cmd" "arg 1" "arg2" for the transmission 22:53:48 <Eddi|zuHause> if you don't add "", it becomes: cmd arg 1 arg2 22:53:55 <Eddi|zuHause> so it changes the number of arguments 22:53:56 <glx> true 22:54:43 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know if the console has escaping 22:54:49 <Eddi|zuHause> may cause weird effects 22:56:33 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:58:33 <Eddi|zuHause> i'll call that the final version for today, until someone has done some testing... 22:59:31 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:01:13 *** Beengalas [~Mattiashe@nl105-254-252.student.uu.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:04:26 *** Dewin [~Daniel@c-71-59-222-35.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:08:54 <Yexo> Rubidium: could you do another svn copy in admiralais repo? /trunk to /tags/24, with message "-Release: version 24" 23:10:53 *** last_evolution [~last_evol@ip-86-49-60-58.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:11:48 <Yexo> actually nvm 23:13:34 <Yexo> make it tags/25 23:13:57 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 23:15:38 * Yexo wonders why out of the 200+ downloaders nobody reported that admiralai didn't work _at all_ 23:15:54 <Zuu> Users are silly :-) 23:16:30 * Zuu pounders creating a totaly useless AI library and see how many that downloads it. 23:17:04 <Yexo> I'm not sure if an AI library shows up in the download lists as long as no AI needs it 23:17:31 <Zuu> I think they do, but I could be wrong. 23:17:52 <Yexo> then it has been changed, I don't remember exactly 23:18:15 <Zuu> then it probably is like you remember if it has been like that before. 23:18:23 <Rubidium> Yexo: there you go 23:18:39 <Yexo> thanks 23:22:39 <Zuu> Anyways, nice to see a bug-fix update of your AI. 23:23:34 <planetmaker> nice to see one of both of your AIs :-) 23:25:00 *** asnoehu [~thok@cc64025-c.hnglo1.ov.home.nl] has joined #openttd 23:25:45 *** avdg [~Adium@78-21-57-217.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:32:29 *** bartavelle [~bartavell@bigbox.banquise.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 23:32:30 *** bartavelle [~bartavell@bigbox.banquise.net] has joined #openttd 23:35:29 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.38.92] has joined #openttd 23:45:38 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-28f4e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:46:06 <OwenS> I need to get myself an OpenPGP smartcard... 23:51:27 *** DDR [~chatzilla@66.183.115.134] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:52:42 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AE6E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:57:03 *** fjb [~frank@p5485B0B5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:58:38 *** Xaroth_ [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd