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00:00:10 <Eddi|zuHause> night, fro... ;( 00:00:19 <Eddi|zuHause> ;) 00:01:25 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:02:12 <avdg> hmm what does delay the osx static build patch? 00:02:12 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.88.193] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 00:03:16 <Eddi|zuHause> lack of a) interest, b) maintainer, c) testing ability? 00:05:06 <avdg> :) 00:05:16 <avdg> yeah probably testing and complains :) 00:06:43 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8573.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:11:38 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e007c24.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:15:07 *** avdg [~Adium@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:18:05 *** avdg [~Adium@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 00:21:22 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 00:25:18 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8ca2d.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 00:39:54 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e02e19e.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 00:44:05 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-16-114-12.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:46:43 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-113-11.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:53:34 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.182.32] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 00:56:08 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: keoz] 00:58:46 *** wollollo [~martin@host86-175-29-209.wlms-broadband.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:00:53 <ccfreak2k> I'd help with the OS X port, but I use -real- computers. :) 01:01:14 <ccfreak2k> Also the last Mac I had didn't have the proper optical drive to install it. 01:03:31 <avdg> :p real computers 01:03:34 <avdg> hmm 01:03:42 <avdg> loves the link that luukland placed 01:04:21 <avdg> gives me the source of the quotes 01:14:40 <TruePikachu> ccfreak2k: Lol, real computers :) 01:16:07 *** avdg [~Adium@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:18:12 *** avdg [~Adium@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 01:25:13 <TruePikachu> Can someone look at v0.2 of "Banks and Watertowers can close down" and tell me what causes them to close? 01:25:44 <TruePikachu> A serviced power station is closing 01:26:06 <TruePikachu> Scratch that - it's gone now 01:27:00 <TruePikachu> It mas my main source of profit here in the early years of railroads :( 01:27:28 <ccfreak2k> RIP the power station. 01:28:25 <TruePikachu> I know, and another one (in the way of a perfect route) still has yet to close. Probability can be so cruel at times 01:28:38 <TruePikachu> That one is unserviced 01:29:03 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:30:24 *** Sacro1 [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-115-110.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:32:28 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:33:08 <TruePikachu> Just trashed that line, and got more money than the trains were making O_o 01:36:08 <ccfreak2k> That's economics for ya. 01:44:10 *** mib_7gfgmo [62184fb2@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 01:44:42 <mib_7gfgmo> man i did not have a fun experience on a server someone was an ass to me and yet i'm the one who's kicked out 01:44:45 <mib_7gfgmo> :? 01:44:59 <mib_7gfgmo> yeah fuck them 01:45:02 <mib_7gfgmo> lol 01:45:07 <mib_7gfgmo> anyone wanna recommend servers 01:46:52 <TruePikachu> What did you do to them? 01:47:06 <mib_7gfgmo> nothing 01:47:08 <mib_7gfgmo> i was a new player 01:47:16 <mib_7gfgmo> and they were all like lolyousuck 01:47:22 <TruePikachu> Well, there had to be _some_ reason you were kicked 01:47:30 <mib_7gfgmo> so i called em an asshole 01:47:34 <mib_7gfgmo> that mighta been it 01:47:37 <TruePikachu> ^^ yes 01:47:45 <mib_7gfgmo> but they deserved it 01:47:46 <mib_7gfgmo> heh 01:47:47 <TruePikachu> Best polocy is to NEVER cuss 01:48:05 <mib_7gfgmo> most swears don't offend me it's 2010 01:48:08 <mib_7gfgmo> now racial words no 01:48:09 <TruePikachu> If you just pointed them out to the server owner, they would have been kicked 01:48:12 <mib_7gfgmo> i wont ever do those 01:48:29 <mib_7gfgmo> it was a mod engaging in making fun of me too 01:48:42 <TruePikachu> Okay, that isn't right 01:49:09 <mib_7gfgmo> meh whatever 01:49:26 <TruePikachu> Well, anyway, I don't play on other servers; I only host private, and I can't host right now, cuz I'm in a week long game :) 01:49:46 <mib_7gfgmo> ah 01:49:52 <mib_7gfgmo> nah it fine 01:49:56 <mib_7gfgmo> just venting 01:50:14 <TruePikachu> It's Oct 1838 in a game from 1830-2050 01:50:44 <mib_7gfgmo> wow 01:52:19 <TruePikachu> Oh, and profits are down, cuz a serviced power station closed down, and it was my biggest money-maker :( 01:52:29 <mib_7gfgmo> lol 01:52:34 * TruePikachu should ask the GRF creator about it 01:52:58 <mib_7gfgmo> oh well if i'm probably banned from that place id eventually be unbanned anyway my isp doesnt use static ip addresses 01:53:16 <mib_7gfgmo> if i ever wanted to go in it but under a dif name or something if i dont even remember wtf server it was 01:53:18 <mib_7gfgmo> heh 01:54:39 *** mib_7gfgmo [62184fb2@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 01:58:50 *** avdg [~Adium@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:00:47 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 02:01:04 <TruePikachu> Hmmm...you think it would be strange to see electric signals in the 1840s? 02:01:11 <TruePikachu> (electric light) 02:01:24 <TruePikachu> Or, what year were they invented? 02:06:15 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B761E0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:06:16 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B761E0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:06:22 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: more listen, more understand, more know] 02:11:28 <TruePikachu> O_o who wrote town_cmd.cpp? 02:12:11 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:19:36 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:24:09 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8ca2d.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:37:27 *** DDR_ [~DDR@d142-179-74-59.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: In democracy it's your vote that counts; In feudalism it's your count that votes. - Mogens Jallberg] 02:42:59 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 02:57:48 <Belugas> TruePikachu:a lot of people did :) 02:58:02 <Belugas> some there still, some gone 03:01:01 * Belugas remembers when it was town_cmd.c, not .cpp 03:09:25 <TruePikachu> I have this town with the 3x3 block layout (so tiled on 4x4) 03:09:44 <TruePikachu> BUT one street is 2 tiles long before it goes to corner 03:09:58 <TruePikachu> I tried fixing it, but the town did it again 03:10:33 <TruePikachu> So I went in there to try to find out why, but it was a huge mess :( 03:18:30 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:2d3d:7802:ea48:45c8] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:24:29 *** [hta]specx [~opera@ip94-126-210-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has left #openttd [] 03:27:36 *** DDR [~DDR@d142-179-74-59.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 03:31:40 *** none [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 03:32:23 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:32:28 *** jpx [jpx_@a91-156-225-96.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 03:33:44 *** DDR_ [~DDR@d142-179-74-59.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 03:33:51 <Belugas> naaaaaa... it's a nice file. you just need to get used to it. 03:34:37 *** jpx_ [jpx_@a91-156-225-96.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:35:04 <Belugas> not finding what you are looking for does not make it a mess 03:36:07 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe34dc00-202.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 03:36:09 <Belugas> a messy sourc code, generally, does not have the slightest comment, has no structure, has incoherent formating etc... 03:36:42 <Belugas> and takes eons to understand :) 03:36:52 <Belugas> meanwhile, it's get to bed time 03:38:15 *** DDR [~DDR@d142-179-74-59.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:38:24 *** DDR_ is now known as DDR 03:55:09 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 04:38:39 *** DDR_ [~DDR@d142-179-74-59.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 04:44:14 *** DDR [~DDR@d142-179-74-59.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:44:19 *** DDR_ is now known as DDR 04:56:04 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B761E0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:56:26 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B75CBD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:34:40 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 05:59:14 *** DDR [~DDR@d142-179-74-59.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 06:05:17 *** DDR [~DDR@d142-179-74-59.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 06:10:39 * TruePikachu has just figured out exactly what the 'allow infrastructure with no vehical' thing advanced option does 06:10:49 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:11:39 <TruePikachu> It allows you to build all road and ship infrastructure if you have no RVs or ships 06:11:45 <TruePikachu> (availible to build) 06:12:00 <TruePikachu> Airports are, of course, by date availible 06:12:58 <TruePikachu> Train track styles are checked for availibility by HasRailtypeAvail() 06:15:44 *** sunkan [~Tarquin@90-224-108-233-no110.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 06:24:42 * TruePikachu is compiling his first patch - a one-liner which allows all railtypes to be built 06:32:32 <TruePikachu> Any idea if it is possible to store the object files from the compile OUTSIDE of the SVN directory so they are availible for cache building? 06:33:41 <TruePikachu> I mean, can you run 'make' from a different directory and still build the game, and mark a directory in the SVN so that SVN ignores it? 06:37:44 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 06:38:47 <Terkhen> good morning 06:40:02 <TruePikachu> Hello 06:42:54 <planetmaker> good morning 06:43:03 <planetmaker> he... we seem to have similar times :-) 06:48:12 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:53:46 <TruePikachu> Lol, just started a new game (1830), and can build maglev, but can't build any trains :) 06:53:58 <TruePikachu> Patch successful :D 06:55:38 <TruePikachu> @build 06:55:45 <TruePikachu> @nightly 06:55:53 <TruePikachu> @revision 06:56:23 <TruePikachu> ...anyone know what the revision number is? 06:57:38 <TruePikachu> Is it 20619? openttd.org says 617, but I have 619 06:59:39 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 07:01:03 <peter1138> you have latest svn, not last nightly 07:02:32 <TruePikachu> Okay 07:03:00 * TruePikachu hasn't compiled nightly yet - wants to know changelog from 1.0.3 -> trunk 07:04:22 <TruePikachu> Any way to get a list of changes? 07:13:14 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:14:40 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 07:20:50 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 07:34:38 <planetmaker> statistics for the night log: about 200 lines overall, 84 lines join/quit, 65 lines verbal diarrhoae by TruePikachu, add 11 lines of reply, 27 lines letting steam of by an anonymous and 29 other lines 07:39:15 <Terkhen> stupid libicu 07:40:39 <Rubidium> Terkhen: the library or the people of the project? 07:40:49 * Terkhen ponders updating the mingw tutorial without mentioning libicu 07:41:25 <Terkhen> the library, I don't know anything about the project itself besides that they are slow in answering bug reports 07:42:11 <Goulp> Terkhen: check dependencies, the libra 07:42:23 <Goulp> Terkhen: check dependencies, the lib depends on the people who write it 07:42:27 <Terkhen> :P 07:43:38 <planetmaker> ./configure -I/usr/Spain/Terkhen ? 07:45:24 <Terkhen> hmmm... I could just upload my script, but it is too hacky to maintain it 08:02:44 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 08:04:23 *** gynter [~gynter@ajavaras.pesa.veebike.net] has joined #openttd 08:04:34 <gynter> hello, is there Unload and don't take any cargo solution too? 08:04:51 <gynter> or it's the default? 08:04:54 <Terkhen> what is the problem? 08:06:09 <gynter> the problem is that when factory stockpile reaches to maximum then vechiles start to transport stuff back from the destination station 08:06:17 <gynter> I only want them to unload and thats all 08:06:23 <Rubidium> in the "load" dropdown select "no loading" 08:06:35 <gynter> aahh 08:06:38 <gynter> now i see 08:06:42 <gynter> thats new feature 08:06:49 <gynter> thanks 08:10:49 <planetmaker> new is relative. Even though the GUI changed, I could do that already in the 0.6.x releases 08:12:23 <planetmaker> gynter: maybe conditional orders are also something for you? 08:12:47 <planetmaker> then you could skip the forced unload. But bring the stuff which was not accepted to a secondary factory, if the train is not empty? 08:14:09 <planetmaker> see also http://wiki.openttd.org/Orders and http://wiki.openttd.org/Conditional_Orders 08:14:57 <planetmaker> hm, sometimes the wiki is better than its reputation 08:15:32 <Rubidium> heh, we're not talking about development information here :) 08:15:39 <planetmaker> :-) True 08:15:47 <planetmaker> And a well-established, often-used feature 08:15:57 *** lasershock [lasershock@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:15:58 <planetmaker> the tutorial is also not bad 08:19:33 *** lasershk [lasershock@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 08:20:25 *** TomyLobo [~foo@port-212-202-171-176.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 08:22:19 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:22:29 <gynter> planetmaker, new as i mean this feature wasn't in TTD 08:23:47 <planetmaker> that may be... it's so long ago that I played it, that my memories grew fuzzy and patchy. 08:32:58 *** DDR_ [~DDR@d142-179-74-59.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 08:34:13 <dihedral> morning ^^ 08:35:56 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 08:38:14 *** DDR [~DDR@d142-179-74-59.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:38:23 *** DDR_ is now known as DDR 08:49:59 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A0A1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:51:11 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:51:14 *** DDR [~DDR@d142-179-74-59.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:55:36 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm fairly sure "unload" [including "no loading"] was also a feature of the original game 08:57:15 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:04:23 * dihedral cannot remember 09:05:37 *** Goulpy is now known as Muxy 09:08:15 *** TomyLobo [~foo@port-212-202-171-176.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: A key, command, or action that tells the system to return to a previous state or stop a process.] 09:18:24 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.49.55] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:30:48 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:36:44 *** TomyLobo [~foo@port-212-202-171-176.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 09:57:47 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-115-110.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 09:59:55 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: keoz] 10:02:07 *** avdg [~Adium@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:04:05 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 10:06:29 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has joined #openttd 10:08:46 *** TruePikachu [~chris@cpe-67-49-42-88.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: night] 10:11:45 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c9db.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:16:45 *** Biolunar [Mahdi@blfd-4db1873f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:32:08 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.88.193] has joined #openttd 10:51:23 *** StuffR [~StuffR@f048237195.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:52:00 *** __ln__ [~lauri@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:52:14 <StuffR> hey together 10:52:56 <StuffR> i got a problem while i want compile openntd r20082 10:53:35 <Rubidium> what kind of problem? And what kind of compiler/OS? 10:54:02 <StuffR> i don't think that this is a problem with the compiler 10:54:21 <StuffR> the problem is sqstdlib 10:54:32 <Noldo> it'll go smoother if you just answer the questions ;) 10:54:48 <Eddi|zuHause> preferably in the order they were asked ;) 10:55:02 <StuffR> oh sry 10:55:14 <StuffR> compiler gcc 10:55:19 <StuffR> os win xp 10:55:25 <StuffR> with cygwin 10:55:51 <Eddi|zuHause> and what is the error message you get? 10:57:00 <Hirundo> Last time I checked, compiling on cygwin was not working / supported 10:57:09 <StuffR> the error is sqstdaux.cpp infunction'void sqstd_printcallstack<sqvm*> 10:58:35 <StuffR> ok if cygwin is not supported i will try it with a linux distribution or mysys with mingw 10:58:38 <Eddi|zuHause> Hirundo: "not working" and "not supported" are two different things 10:58:53 <Rubidium> and you've still not told us what the error is, only where the error is 10:59:05 <Eddi|zuHause> e.g. OSX is "not supported", but it should be "working" 10:59:16 <Hirundo> Eddi|zuHause: To my knowledge both apply here 10:59:49 <StuffR> ok there is now error message the compiler stop after this message 11:00:35 <Eddi|zuHause> StuffR: the part you pasted is incomplete 11:01:03 <Eddi|zuHause> StuffR: if that is really all you get, it looks like a compiler bug 11:01:47 <planetmaker> pastebin.com might be useful ;-) 11:02:14 <StuffR> this is all i get 11:03:16 <Eddi|zuHause> StuffR: then you really should throw away cygwin 11:04:01 <StuffR> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/Stuffi/patch/code/20082/objs/extra_grf' 11:04:03 <StuffR> ted token `elif' 11:04:05 <StuffR> '" ]; then 11:04:07 <StuffR> make[1]: Entering directory `/home/Stuffi/patch/code/20082/objs/release' 11:04:07 <StuffR> [SRC] Compiling 3rdparty/squirrel/sqstdlib/sqstdaux.cpp 11:04:09 <StuffR> nction 'void sqstd_printcallstack(SQVM*)': 11:04:11 <StuffR> ror: 'wcsstr' was not declared in this scope 11:04:13 <StuffR> make[1]: *** [3rdparty/squirrel/sqstdlib/sqstdaux.o] Error 1 11:04:13 <StuffR> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/Stuffi/patch/code/20082/objs/release' 11:04:15 <StuffR> make: *** [all] Error 1 11:04:26 <Hirundo> "'wcsstr' was not declared in this scope" <- now that's an actual error message 11:04:45 <StuffR> ok :X 11:07:11 <Rubidium> try ./configure --disable-unicode 11:08:27 <Hirundo> What is your cygwin (not gcc) version? 11:10:16 <StuffR> 1.7.6-1 11:12:51 *** last_evolution [~last_evol@ip-86-49-60-58.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 11:16:35 <Hirundo> I can confirm that the same error occurs when I build under cygwin 11:17:07 <Rubidium> also when disabling unicode? 11:17:31 <Hirundo> I'm testing that currently 11:17:45 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:17:48 <StuffR> @Rubidium when i disable unicode the problem with " ror: 'wcsstr' was not declared in this scope" is fixed 11:18:55 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20620 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: rename airporttile's callback_flags to callback_mask, so it's the same for all NewGRF features with callbacks 11:19:01 <StuffR> but then there is the next problem with the "class networkaddress" 11:19:34 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.182.32] has joined #openttd 11:19:58 <Rubidium> so nobody has actually used cygwin in the last 1.5 years or so to compile OpenTTD and filed bug reports (+ patches) 11:20:29 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.182.32] has quit [] 11:20:40 <planetmaker> lol 11:21:10 * avdg cheers for discontinue of support *right* 11:21:37 <StuffR> ok :) then i will compile it under a linux distribution 11:21:49 <ccfreak2k> Rubidium, unless you're building for Linux, why bother with Cygwin? 11:23:28 <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=899348#p899348 <-- :-D good question 11:23:51 <avdg> lol 11:24:51 <ccfreak2k> 1948 apparently. 11:25:34 <Rubidium> september 1945? 11:26:00 <Rubidium> but due to a change in calendar system the years 1947-1949 never happened 11:26:37 <Noldo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Peace_Treaties,_1947 11:27:02 <ccfreak2k> Actually, if it's Japan, it would have "ended" earlier for them. 11:27:04 *** fmauneko [~fmauneko@93.29.187.142] has joined #openttd 11:27:04 <ccfreak2k> V-J day. 11:27:18 <ccfreak2k> Even though it was still going on in the European theater. 11:27:19 <fmauneko> hai 11:27:24 <Rubidium> ccfreak2k: huh? 11:27:41 <Rubidium> ah well, I guess wikipedia is wrong about the dates :) 11:28:03 <planetmaker> 't was August. 11:30:13 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 11:30:16 <Rubidium> "The formal and official surrender of Japan occurred aboard the battleship USS Missouri in Tokyo Bay on 2 September 1945." 11:31:24 <planetmaker> Hirohito gave a recorded radio address to the nation on August 15. In the radio address, called the Gyokuon-hÅsÅ ("Jewel Voice Broadcast"), he announced to the Japanese populace the surrender of Japan. 11:31:26 <Rubidium> and some document says that Germany surrendered on May 7th 1945: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/German_instrument_of_surrender2.jpg 11:33:14 <Rubidium> planetmaker: so the third Gulf War started on September 11th 2001? Instead of March 20th 2003, when they actually started bombing and such? 11:33:22 <planetmaker> though May 8th is the official day to end hostilties. 11:33:54 <planetmaker> Rubidium, by those standards Korea is still at war 11:33:57 <Rubidium> my point is: announcing you're going to do something != actually doing that 11:34:22 <planetmaker> Rubidium, exactly. And they were doing that effectively August 15th 11:34:41 <planetmaker> Only paperwork took a few more days 11:34:49 <planetmaker> As occupation already started on 28 August 11:36:00 <dihedral> nekomaster, was that not the guy with the huge development idea posts in the development forum? 11:36:13 <planetmaker> no 11:36:28 *** fmauneko [~fmauneko@93.29.187.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:36:43 <dihedral> who was that then? 11:37:31 <dihedral> ah, SirXavius 11:38:14 <dihedral> was it then the same person who could not compile because his overclocked computer froze? 11:38:25 <Eddi|zuHause> nekomaster is the guy who overclocks the computer and then complains that youtube freezes it 11:38:36 <Noldo> :D 11:38:52 <planetmaker> :-) 11:38:59 <dihedral> i knew it rang a bell :-P 11:39:17 <Eddi|zuHause> later he started like a dozen newgrf projects 11:39:39 <Eddi|zuHause> each of them stating "i can neither draw nor code, please help me" 11:39:46 <dihedral> started..... yeah 11:39:48 <dihedral> lol 11:40:02 <dihedral> because his computer froze in ms paint? 11:40:46 <planetmaker> nope. He became IMHO quite reasonable meanwhile 11:41:16 <planetmaker> Despite starting too many newgrf projects; but he seems to learn 11:41:36 <dihedral> that is good to hear :-) 11:41:46 <dihedral> love that question in the forum though ^^ 11:42:37 <dihedral> lego land died is that correct? 11:42:38 *** Sacro1 [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-115-110.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:42:45 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-115-110.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:42:56 *** Sacro1 [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-115-110.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 11:43:10 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-115-110.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:45:14 <planetmaker> it's again in a deep hiatus 11:45:29 *** fmauneko [~fmauneko@93.29.187.142] has joined #openttd 11:47:37 <Rubidium> has anybody ever made an howto for making a town name NewGRF? 11:47:54 *** Tennel [~Tennel@port-ip-213-211-212-60.reverse.mdcc-fun.de] has joined #openttd 11:48:02 <planetmaker> Not really afaik 11:48:18 <Ammler> nml does support it now 11:48:25 <planetmaker> but there are plenty of threads around which kinda explain. 11:48:37 <planetmaker> and yes, NML ;-) 11:48:37 <Ammler> so no howto needed anymore ;-) 11:48:50 <planetmaker> Ammler, just a different how-to 11:49:03 <Rubidium> would be cool if you could write a howto for NML town names NewGRFs then :) 11:49:18 <planetmaker> should be part of NML docs then 11:49:32 <planetmaker> Town name newgrfs are Ammler's domain ;-) 11:49:36 <planetmaker> *trallalala* 11:49:42 <Ammler> s/are/were/ 11:49:55 <planetmaker> amnesia? 11:50:43 <Ammler> nml will still need a "update" with town names, as it has still the 255 limit for names per group 11:51:21 <planetmaker> hardly a strong limit, is it? 11:51:42 <Ammler> I guess, simply missing a example, which needs more :-P 11:51:53 <Ammler> like real name grfs do 11:52:24 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:55:31 <Eddi|zuHause> <Rubidium> and some document says that Germany surrendered on May 7th 1945: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/German_instrument_of_surrender2.jpg <-- the document was signed on may 7th, but it includes a 24h period of actually fulfilling it 11:57:06 <Noldo> http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/40455/skirmish-wars-advance-tactics 11:57:42 <Noldo> hmm, maybe right click paste isn't a good idea after all 12:02:18 *** StuffR [~StuffR@f048237195.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:02:33 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~Br33z4hSl@92.68.154.34] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:04:21 *** wollollo [~martin@host86-175-29-209.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #openttd 12:04:52 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~Br33z4hSl@92.68.154.34] has joined #openttd 12:09:06 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:a445:4ae8:43a3:acc1] has joined #openttd 12:09:09 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:09:29 *** StuffR [~StuffR@f048237195.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:14:42 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF88DB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:17:33 *** StuffR [~StuffR@f048237195.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:19:36 *** Tennel [~Tennel@port-ip-213-211-212-60.reverse.mdcc-fun.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 12:26:10 *** Markk [~markk@213.229.75.82] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:26:12 *** Markk [~markk@213.229.75.82] has joined #openttd 12:53:58 *** gynter [~gynter@ajavaras.pesa.veebike.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:55:28 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.209] has joined #openttd 12:57:29 <Belugas> hello 13:11:25 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@yoda.zernebok.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:16:18 *** Yexo [~Yexo@153-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Quit: bye] 13:16:35 *** Yexo [~Yexo@153-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 13:20:27 <dihedral> hello sir Belugas 13:22:18 <Belugas> hi hi ho you dihedral 13:23:25 <SmatZ> oh you! 13:24:38 <Belugas> who me? 13:24:58 <planetmaker> you three! hello :-) 13:25:39 <Belugas> planetmaker! 13:29:12 * yorick joins 13:29:56 <yorick> hello Belugas, dihedral, planetmaker and SmatZ. 13:30:25 *** Gremnon [~gremnon@87.113.145.2] has joined #openttd 13:32:55 <SmatZ> hello yorick 13:33:00 <SmatZ> hello planetmaker :) 13:35:13 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.209] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:37:19 <dihedral> oi yorick 13:37:36 <planetmaker> moin yorick, also :-) 13:38:23 <Ammler> :-o 13:38:25 <Ammler> :-) 13:40:37 <yorick> hello, Ammler 13:46:26 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@yoda.zernebok.com] has joined #openttd 13:47:23 *** sunkan [~Tarquin@90-224-108-233-no110.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.36 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 13:47:59 <Belugas> hehehe.. i was about to start, as a joke, to wave at each of the nice people of this channel, but... 13:48:03 <Belugas> naaa... too many... 13:48:35 <Goulp> or too much complicate to translate... 13:48:58 <Belugas> hum? 13:49:20 <Belugas> ho...well... one has to assume that if they are here, they do understand basic english 13:49:31 <Belugas> otherwise, what's the point of been here? 13:50:11 <Belugas> other than... "Hey, j'ai passe la journee sur #Openttd. Cool! Pis, ils ont dis quoi? Chai pas, j'comprends pas l'anglais" 13:50:25 <Goulp> well, talking about technical things in english is not the same as understanding translated jokes 13:50:35 <Belugas> mmh... quite 13:50:54 <Goulp> like "Goulp is Hell" 13:51:03 *** Gremnon [~gremnon@87.113.145.2] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:52:57 <yorick> meh...french jokes 13:53:21 <dihedral> i prefer french fries 13:53:23 <Goulp> yeap translated from french and no sens 13:53:39 <Goulp> dihedral: sure, and i know you dont like French Kiss also 13:54:04 <Goulp> may be will depend on who makes it... 13:54:38 <Belugas> fries.... beer.... mmmhh!!! 13:55:10 <SmatZ> :) 13:55:57 <yorick> french fries :) 13:56:35 <Ammler> SmatZ: :-D 13:56:39 <Belugas> well... i wold prefer belgian ones, but I can settle for french any time ;) 13:56:57 <yorick> the belgian ones are too thick 13:57:21 <Goulp> thick is under what width ? 13:57:42 <yorick> ? 13:57:52 <planetmaker> freedom fries! :-P 13:58:05 <Belugas> buwahahah! 13:58:22 <Belugas> "We are the world" tatatadam 13:58:42 <planetmaker> :-) 13:59:07 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 14:20:49 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.41] has joined #openttd 14:28:16 *** Mazur [~mazur@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:30:46 *** Mazur [~mazur@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 14:36:13 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20621 /trunk/ (8 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: move animation frames of houses, objects and industries to m7 (same as airports and stations) 14:44:36 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 14:45:58 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20622 /trunk/src/ (14 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: unify [GS]et[Statation|Object|Industry|House]AnimationFrame 15:04:21 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 15:04:22 <yorick> Statation? 15:05:15 <dihedral> real 0m20.870s \o/ used to be 29 i think ^^ 15:05:31 <planetmaker> oh, nice :-) 15:10:28 *** wollollo [~martin@host86-175-29-209.wlms-broadband.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:14:12 *** Wolfie [5e0d96f0@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:14:22 <Wolfie> Hey guys 15:14:39 <yorick> hello, Wolfie 15:14:57 <Wolfie> I'm looking for some help getting MSYS working. 15:15:03 <Wolfie> Namely making zlib work. 15:15:32 <planetmaker> hack the installer and replace the wrong, old path by the new one :-) 15:15:36 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF88DB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:15:50 <Wolfie> Which new one? 15:15:58 <Wolfie> just increment the version? 15:16:22 <planetmaker> I guess your problem with mingw/msys installation is that it fails to get zlib automatically... 15:16:31 <planetmaker> at least that is what frequently people have problems with 15:16:51 <Wolfie> Yeah, I've set it to 1.2.5 and that seems to be working., 15:16:53 <Wolfie> :/ 15:16:58 <planetmaker> see :-) 15:17:01 <Rubidium> the manual is outdated since zlib1.2.4 got released and the zlib author removed the tarball of 1.2.3 from his website 15:17:34 <Rubidium> and the msys/mingw people did not update their "install zlib" script 15:17:34 <Wolfie> Well, It failed to patch, but that's just a filename issue. 15:20:58 *** StuffR [4e30edc3@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:28:52 <Wolfie> Nope. 15:28:59 <Wolfie> It's not happening. 15:30:11 <dihedral> <planetmaker> oh, nice :-) <- dual quad core, make -j9 :-P 15:30:40 <planetmaker> I meant the commit :-P 15:30:48 <dihedral> meany :-P 15:31:52 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20623 /trunk/ (24 files in 4 dirs): -Codechange: unify the storing of animation related information 15:32:28 *** Gremnon [~gremnon@87.113.145.2] has joined #openttd 15:38:16 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 15:47:04 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 15:50:33 <StuffR> hey i'm back with an other problem :) could some one help me with cross compiling? Now i use Ubuntu 10.4 and the compiling finished without errors. But now i need the files for a computer with windows os. What i must do to get running under windows 7 64? 15:51:14 <planetmaker> install a cross-compiler :-P 15:52:22 <dihedral> StuffR, ubuntu has enough docs on crosscompiling + packages 15:52:27 <planetmaker> and no, there's no walk-through. There are some docs ^ 15:52:41 <planetmaker> read them, follow them 15:52:50 <planetmaker> try what works and what not. 15:52:51 <Ammler> there is cross-compiling wiki afaik 15:53:01 <planetmaker> Document the result what worked in the OpenTTD wiki 15:53:06 <planetmaker> Maybe have a look there even now 15:53:09 <Ammler> would be nice, if you bring that up2date :-) 15:53:17 <planetmaker> I'm pretty sure though that it's horribly out-of-date 15:53:26 <planetmaker> have fun ;-) 15:53:39 <StuffR> ok ^^ this would be a long night :) 15:53:44 <planetmaker> sure 15:53:54 <planetmaker> I ended up rather installing windows in a virtual machine 15:54:55 <dihedral> hehe 15:55:30 <dihedral> flightgear once asked if i could write docs on cross compiling for windows.... horrible stuff 15:57:10 <VVG> good evening 15:57:58 <VVG> Rubidium: I've got a feeling today that piece of code for rounding i showed yesterday is not quite multiplayer safe :( 15:58:32 <peter1138> Ammler, wud b nice, if u didn't rite "up2date" like that 15:59:36 <Ammler> sorry, I don't like it either, usually :-) 16:00:21 <dihedral> peter1138, gets you highlighted? 16:01:11 <Ammler> he 16:01:28 <Ammler> he has an "eye" for bad language 16:04:57 *** fmauneko [~fmauneko@93.29.187.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:13:00 <Belugas> then peter1138 should not meet any posts from THE_JUDGE 16:13:18 <Belugas> now that's quite a case 16:14:00 <planetmaker> a case for the manual ignore list 16:14:10 <planetmaker> lazy and demanding 16:15:20 <Gremnon> you forgot irritating 16:15:57 <Wolfie> I miss the days when cygwin worked. 16:18:38 <planetmaker> Wolfie, try in cygwin with ./configure --disable-unicode 16:18:44 <planetmaker> it was today reported to work then 16:35:16 <VVG> why use cygwin instead of a native solution like vc++? 16:35:39 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF88DB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:35:48 <Wolfie> VC++ doesn't behave. 16:36:23 <Wolfie> And bulding in a linux-like environment is more familiar to me. 16:36:50 <Gremnon> +1 on that... I've never once managed to make VC++ work, whereas MinGW I've only ever had trouble with recently 16:36:58 <Wolfie> Same. 16:37:35 <Wolfie> VC++ complains about linking libraries, while minGW/Cygwin are reliable as. 16:37:39 <VVG> i can understand that second argument, but not the first, in case only ottd that needs compiling 16:38:41 <Gremnon> my complaint is the massive downloads you have to get, to get a tool that doesn't work properly and complains where it shouldn't, to make a binary that often to me seems more unreliable than a GCC/MinGW compiled one 16:38:53 <Gremnon> plus MinGW gives more useful details when something goes wrong 16:39:21 <Gremnon> you also don't need extra files to make an unstripped binary to debugging either 16:39:30 <Wolfie> Plus losing the 200mb RAM overhead of a IDE is good for me. 16:39:53 <Gremnon> definitely 16:40:38 <VVG> i've yet to run into these things 16:40:54 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.49.55] has joined #openttd 16:41:20 <Wolfie> Also, I feel more leet working from a CLI. 16:41:33 <Gremnon> haha 16:41:50 <Gremnon> I found since using Linux, I prefer to use a CLI, or at least the keyboard, for everything 16:41:58 <Gremnon> my mouse hardly ever sees use 16:42:42 <Gremnon> even in windows, it's surprising how much easier it seems to be when you ignore the mouse 16:42:45 <Wolfie> Since using linux, I've found that I can't live without things like grep and wget, and they live happily on my command line. 16:42:49 <Wolfie> Yeah 16:43:18 <Gremnon> ah, yes, grep and wget... cat is another common friend on mine 16:43:57 <Gremnon> ps, top and htop are also useful 16:44:49 <Wolfie> I actually found that using nano or vi was pretty slick, even over NP++ and stuff. 16:45:32 <Gremnon> I don't get along well with vi, I know how to quit and save, but anthing else is more luck to manage for me 16:45:52 <Gremnon> nano's not bad though, if I need something more powerful there's one or two graphic tools I'll use if it can't handle it 16:46:07 <Gremnon> gedit usually, NP++ seems to have taken inspiration from gedit 16:47:50 <Rubidium> MSVC's "debug a crashed binary without debug information in the binary" feature is pretty nice, though probably not important when you're not distributing binaries 16:48:17 <Gremnon> hence why I prefer an unstripped GCC one 16:48:55 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20624 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_house.cpp newgrf_house.h newgrf_spritegroup.h): -Codechange: some constifying for NewGRF house 16:51:15 <VVG> lucky me to not care about all those features and shortcomings yet :) 16:53:18 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20625 /trunk/src/ (3 files): -Add: AirportTileSpec::GetByTile to simplify accessing the AirportTileSpec 16:53:35 *** Gremnon [~gremnon@87.113.145.2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:56:18 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20626 /trunk/src/newgrf_airporttiles.cpp: -Codechange: pass AirportTileSpec to the airport tile callback 17:01:31 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20627 /trunk/src/ (7 files): -Codechange: unify the animation code of station, airport, house and industry tiles 17:08:49 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20628 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_animation_type.h station_cmd.cpp): -Fix: typos in animation trigger enum/comments 17:12:19 *** Wolfie [5e0d96f0@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 17:12:56 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20629 /trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs): -Fix (r20627): ofcourse I forget to update source.list/MSVC project files when adding a header. 17:14:15 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:17:15 *** last_evolution [~last_evol@ip-86-49-60-58.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:22:59 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f5fe6.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:23:13 *** TheMask96 [martijn@lust.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:28:41 *** TheMask96 [martijn@pride.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:45:27 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r20630 /trunk/src/lang/ (dutch.txt german.txt polish.txt unfinished/chuvash.txt): 17:45:27 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:27 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: chuvash - 5 changes by mefisteron 17:45:27 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: dutch - 2 changes by habell 17:45:27 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: german - 1 changes by planetmaker 17:45:28 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: polish - 1 changes by silver_777 17:47:53 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 17:48:12 <VVG> default town names selection - are they done using newgrf? 17:50:08 <Hirundo> default town names are encoded in the source code 17:51:54 <VVG> where? 17:52:13 <Noldo> race! 17:54:08 <Noldo> townname.cpp 17:54:38 <VVG> found townname.h using finnish tonw names, failed to found it using london as search string 17:58:02 <Belugas> you were under the impression that London must be there, since it's english, right? 17:58:24 <VVG> exactly 17:58:42 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:58:58 <Belugas> :) 17:58:59 <VVG> to be precise, since it's a major english city :) 17:59:10 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-23-216.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:00:38 <Belugas> grrrrr.. my Garmin GPS is under recall :( 18:01:00 *** Chillosophy [~fu@82-170-139-109.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:03:16 <Belugas> so, VVG, now, you know that you would not get London in a new game with randomly generated original english town names :) 18:03:40 <glx> [18:47:53] <Rubidium> MSVC's "debug a crashed binary without debug information in the binary" feature is pretty nice, though probably not important when you're not distributing binaries <-- and now you can even get the trace on linux ;) 18:04:17 <VVG> unfortunatly 18:04:31 <VVG> though, that seems strange 18:04:41 <Belugas> well... you could always create a map in scenario editor, create a town, rename it 18:05:05 <Belugas> no it's not strange. ti's normal. english town names are actually constructed from many particles 18:05:38 <Belugas> so it's really a-la-english style, rather than english names 18:05:45 <Belugas> if you see the distinction 18:07:53 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc3928.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:09:28 <VVG> randomly generated names are hard to read for me :( 18:10:35 <Belugas> you could create a grf with only real english names, if you wish 18:10:41 <Belugas> it's possible to do 18:10:46 <Belugas> it might even already exist 18:11:23 <Belugas> although, i have to admit i don't understand your difficulty with it :) 18:11:44 <VVG> two languages i find easy to read town names both lack enough names to fill 2048 map :( 18:12:11 <VVG> are native egnlish speaker, aren't you? :) 18:12:16 <VVG> you are* 18:14:32 <Belugas> nope 18:14:35 <Belugas> french 18:16:15 <frosch123> *canadian french 18:16:17 <frosch123> :p 18:16:50 <VVG> that's quite a difference, right? 18:17:04 <frosch123> no idea, i speak neither 18:18:05 <Rubidium> I'd reckon it's similar to English vs American 18:18:30 <frosch123> or west coast vs. east coast or so 18:18:47 <Eddi|zuHause> or german vs. austrian 18:18:59 <VVG> Do default ottd fonts support cyrilic? 18:19:06 <Eddi|zuHause> no 18:19:27 <frosch123> the default ont supports only parts of latin1 18:19:34 *** StuffR [4e30edc3@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 18:19:39 <Eddi|zuHause> if cyrillic letters are detected, it switches automatically to system font 18:19:47 <frosch123> hmm, might be actually wrong now 18:20:46 <frosch123> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=49838 <- best possible answer, planetmaker :) 18:20:53 <planetmaker> hm? 18:21:18 <planetmaker> oh :-) 18:23:03 <Belugas> frosch123, VVG: yes, it seems there is a BIG difference between french and french-canadian 18:23:18 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-16-114-12.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 18:23:27 <Belugas> there are stuff i cant understand from glx, and vice-versa 18:25:58 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:37:23 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.49.55] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:38:23 *** wollollo [~martin@host86-175-29-209.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #openttd 18:40:34 <dihedral> nice reply on the forums Belugas 18:40:35 <dihedral> :-) 18:44:28 *** KouDy1 [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 18:48:49 <glx> Belugas: your french is more old style (from 1600 ;) ) 18:49:18 <dihedral> hehe - that's not his french - that's Belugas :-P 18:51:26 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:51:36 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 18:58:33 *** KouDy1 [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:00:40 <Belugas> come on... i'm not THAT old ;) 19:00:47 <Belugas> reply? 19:00:50 <Belugas> can't remember... 19:00:55 <Belugas> yeah.. i'm THAT old :( 19:01:04 <planetmaker> ho ho. No! 19:02:45 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc3928.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:03:05 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 19:09:02 <yorick> Belugas: you're only 60, aren't you :) 19:09:31 <planetmaker> buahahaha :-) 19:10:33 <dihedral> hehe 19:10:40 * dihedral high-fives yorick 19:11:17 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-23-216.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:14:26 <yorick> lol @ "you also didn't search" 19:16:17 <dihedral> hihi, yeah that was good too :-P 19:17:10 <yorick> you should have put "you also don't have searched" :) 19:20:43 <planetmaker> why should I write wrong English? 19:27:30 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-16-114-12.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:29:32 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20631 /trunk/src/ (5 files): -Codechange: generalise IsIndustryTileOnWater + simplify so related code 19:42:18 *** dEgHOST [~63ee2e7a@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 19:42:43 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-27-71-94.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:46:26 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@153-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 19:46:30 *** Yexo is now known as Guest917 19:46:31 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 19:47:03 *** Guest917 [~Yexo@153-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:47:07 <yorick> planetmaker: because he did 19:47:44 <planetmaker> where would the fun be? 19:48:06 <Belugas> funny, yorick :) 20:06:32 <frosch123> yay, nonsense is growing :p 20:07:48 *** avdg [~Adium@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:09:08 *** avdg [~Adium@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 20:24:27 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe34dc00-202.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 20:48:18 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.49.55] has joined #openttd 21:01:01 *** dEgHOST [~63ee2e7a@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:03:52 <frosch123> hmm, anyone knows a good reading about what to print to stdout, and what to stderr? 21:04:26 <Rubidium> errors/warnings to stderr, the rest (progress, license and such) to stdout? 21:05:00 <frosch123> e.g. if i have a command line tool and i want to print the usage if it is run with invalid parameters... would the error about the invalid option go to stderr, and the usage too? and if i run with --help the usage would go to stdout? 21:05:28 <frosch123> or is printing usage on invalid parameters wrong? :p 21:05:54 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 21:06:17 <Rubidium> I'd dump the usage to stdout and the error to stderr 21:07:10 *** TruePikachu [~chris@cpe-67-49-42-88.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 21:08:29 <DJNekkid> hi guys ... 21:08:49 <DJNekkid> probably a stupid question, but an action4 cant be before an action8? 21:11:24 <Rubidium> not if you want it to be translatable in say... Norwegian 21:12:03 <Rubidium> as the action8 tells "I'm version 7" and otherwise version 6 is assumed, which doesn't support like 55 of the 60 languages 21:12:35 <DJNekkid> thatas what i assumed :) 21:12:42 <frosch123> only action 6-9, B-E, 10 and 14 are allowed before 8 21:12:45 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: nope it can't. I tried ;-) 21:13:07 <planetmaker> that would have been too easy really 21:13:55 *** Chillosophy [~fu@82-170-139-109.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 21:17:34 <TruePikachu> Hmmm...I'll write a patch cuz I'm bored :) 21:21:46 <TruePikachu> How would I check the status of an advanced option? In 'settings_gui.cpp', it all looks like it's assigned to a string 21:23:34 *** tycoondemon [~thok@82.75.115.73] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:24:08 <TruePikachu> Wait, found it when I searched the string as a tag. Lol 21:26:23 <TruePikachu> Umm, how do I check if it is set? I just noticed that it's all in a structure... 21:28:17 <Hirundo> The structure is in settings_type.h, the savegame setting in table/settings.h and the GUI entry in settings_gui.cpp 21:31:33 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:32:21 <TruePikachu> How would I check the status? I'm checking the status of a pre-programmed one. I found the first and third files, I wasn't concerned with the second 21:33:09 <Hirundo> From inside the game code, you'd want to access _settings_game.xxx.whatever_your_setting_is 21:33:39 <TruePikachu> .xxx. <-- ? 21:34:27 <Hirundo> type list_settings in the console and find the name of the setting you need 21:35:20 <TruePikachu> Oh, so the strings in 'settings_gui.cpp'? 21:38:38 <TruePikachu> Uhh...compiliation error: 21:39:09 <TruePikachu> src/rail.cpp:179: error: 'struct GameSettings' has no member named 'gui' 21:39:49 <Hirundo> The GUI (=non-savegame) settings are in a different struct IIRC 21:40:31 <Hirundo> _settings_client.gui 21:41:52 <TruePikachu> Just found that, thanks for confirm 21:42:00 <TruePikachu> :) 21:42:10 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Quit: Quit] 21:42:43 <TruePikachu> Uhh...src/rail.cpp:179: error: '_settings_cient' was not declared in this scope 21:42:54 <TruePikachu> Oh, typo 21:42:56 <Rubidium> _settings_client are all non-savegame 21:43:30 <TruePikachu> No, I made a typo, cient instead of client 21:44:47 <TruePikachu> Yay, patch built :) 21:47:01 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 21:47:10 <TruePikachu> Patch works :) 21:48:30 <TruePikachu> Now, the setting which allows building of things when no suitable vehical is availible also applies to rails 21:48:34 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f5fe6.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:49:06 * TruePikachu proceeds to make a Forum account and post the patch 21:52:10 <Ammler> TruePikachu: maybe you should also create a Twitter account 21:53:15 <Hirundo> Nah, Twitter users don't like being spammed with interesting information 21:57:26 <Yexo> TruePikachu: can you keep the spam down? nobody really cares that you're going to make a forum account, and those that are interested will read your patch onces youv'e posted it on the forum, you don't need to announce that here 22:01:40 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20632 /trunk/src/ (135 files in 10 dirs): -Cleanup: remove "a few" unneeded includes, and add them to some headers 22:02:01 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.49.55] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:02:41 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.49.55] has joined #openttd 22:03:20 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:04:38 <TruePikachu> sorry 22:05:49 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 22:14:41 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 22:17:58 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:23:28 *** Goulpy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 22:24:37 *** TomyLobo [~foo@port-212-202-171-176.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: A key, command, or action that tells the system to return to a previous state or stop a process.] 22:30:48 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:40:38 <Terkhen> good night 22:43:07 <Rubidium> night Terkhen 22:48:20 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A0A1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:03:14 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:09:33 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:16:28 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 23:17:20 * TruePikachu has recently been facinated by the function of bidirectional single track with passing junctions 23:18:02 <SmatZ> TruePikachu: the old AI (tm) built all tracks that way 23:18:10 <TruePikachu> Yes, I know 23:18:28 <TruePikachu> Someone on the forum(?) asked why it always knew exactly where to put those junctions 23:18:44 <TruePikachu> Additionally, SimpleAI does those tracks, but with path signals 23:19:06 <TruePikachu> I'm wondering if you can use one to make a faster train pass a slower one 23:19:22 <TruePikachu> (similar to what real RRs do) 23:20:56 <SmatZ> you can use it to deadlock your network 23:21:05 <TruePikachu> ? 23:21:24 <TruePikachu> Are you meaning in a good way? 23:21:28 <SmatZ> nope 23:21:34 <SmatZ> deadlock is not good 23:21:57 <TruePikachu> There is no such thing as a good deadlock? 23:22:04 <SmatZ> hardly :-p 23:22:13 <TruePikachu> Wait, opponents 23:22:32 <SmatZ> they had only two trains on that track 23:22:43 <SmatZ> but when you have like, 4, trains there, it might deadlock 23:23:06 <TruePikachu> Monodirectional or bidirectional? 23:23:13 <SmatZ> bidirectional :) 23:23:47 <TruePikachu> Oh, I know that deadlock; it's on the 'realistic PBS' wiki page 23:24:16 <TruePikachu> Wait, nvm 23:24:52 <TruePikachu> I use more than 2 trains, and I haven't deadlocked 23:24:55 <SmatZ> there are several examples of deadlock, yes :) 23:25:18 <TruePikachu> No, the one I had been talking about are 4 trains all trying to enter the same junction 23:25:34 <TruePikachu> But my network hasn't deadlocked yet 23:26:11 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF88DB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:26:33 <TruePikachu> I'm wondering if anyone has tried making a monodirectional passing track to allow faster trains to pass slower ones, excluding the one which uses the logic gates 23:27:32 <TruePikachu> One that functions similarily to how real RRs function, having the slower train stop to let the faster one pass 23:30:21 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-115-110.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:35:48 *** Biolunar [Mahdi@blfd-4db1873f.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: gn8] 23:36:15 <TruePikachu> Yay, just got the 4-4-0 American :D