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http://tt-foundry.com/misc/sandpit_water_1.png 08:36:48 <Ammler> how does it look with ogfx? 08:36:51 <Ammler> :-) 08:37:26 <andythenorth> Ammler: looks like the sea is in the sandpit :P 08:37:36 <andythenorth> I thought it would look better, but it's worse :o 08:38:52 <andythenorth> http://tt-foundry.com/misc/sandpit_water_2.png 08:41:43 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D6E5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:43:53 <Ammler> I think, water needs to be viewed with the animation 08:44:08 <Ammler> the current sandpit is quite "nervous" 08:44:14 <andythenorth> yup 08:44:44 <andythenorth> it's the same even with improved water 08:44:53 <andythenorth> I think it's too small for water animation 08:45:03 * andythenorth considers removing water from sand pit 08:45:07 <andythenorth> or reducing amount 08:45:10 <Ammler> maybe the current but without the "white" blinkers? 08:45:40 <Ammler> (looks like you have done that) 08:47:02 <andythenorth> I tried that. It could be made to work, but not sure it's a good idea 08:51:51 <andythenorth> Ammler: I tried also a test with the original water (I'd have to redraw later to be GPL compliant). Still looks like the sea is in the sandpit :P 08:53:36 <Ammler> the water should be very calm compared to the sea 08:53:49 <Ammler> now, it is the opposite 08:55:21 <Ammler> quiet* or whatever you call that 08:59:57 <planetmaker> quite ;-) 09:00:16 <planetmaker> it should be quite quiet ;-) 09:03:20 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 09:05:42 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8A87.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:31:07 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... "Doctor Who to be split into a spring and a fall season" 09:31:39 * Rubidium wonders whether to say booh or not 09:32:19 <planetmaker> moin Rubidium :-) 09:32:27 <planetmaker> and moin Eddi|zuHause :-) 09:32:37 <Rubidium> moi planetmaker 09:34:21 <Eddi|zuHause> from a season-spanning-plot-with-cliffhanger point of view, it might be better to have shorter seasons 09:35:41 <Rubidium> or (*cough*) more episodes in a season 09:36:10 <Rubidium> like somewhere in the high 40s a season 09:36:12 <Eddi|zuHause> the total number of episodes per year stays the same 09:46:51 <andythenorth> making the water 'quiet' is almost impossible 09:46:58 <andythenorth> the speed of the water cycle is fixed :) 09:49:27 <andythenorth> brb 09:58:32 <Eddi|zuHause> that always sounds like "*burp*" to me... 09:59:40 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 10:02:37 *** Yexo [~Yexo@153-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Quit: bye] 10:02:38 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:02:55 *** Yexo [~Yexo@153-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 10:14:04 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-74.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 10:15:15 *** wollollo [~martin@host86-175-29-209.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #openttd 10:16:29 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r20692 /trunk/src/network/ (network_gamelist.cpp network_gui.cpp): -Fix [FS#4055]: crash after downloading missing content 10:21:32 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 10:21:54 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 10:26:45 <andythenorth> the best solution to sandpit water is to use different colours to normal water 10:26:49 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.88.193] has joined #openttd 10:26:50 <andythenorth> not sure if that's acceptable? 10:27:49 <planetmaker> it's acceptable, if it looks nice 10:27:59 <planetmaker> andythenorth, Or... use a re-colour sprite :-) 10:28:07 <andythenorth> ow 10:28:21 <andythenorth> no 10:28:35 <planetmaker> re-colouring slightly the water animation.Or fire one. And use that 10:29:08 <planetmaker> what's wrong with it? ;-) 10:31:08 <andythenorth> I need to continue supporting animation 10:31:15 <andythenorth> one of the water cycles is useful 10:31:17 <andythenorth> the other isn't 10:31:30 <andythenorth> recolor sprites == no animation 10:34:02 *** ctibor [~quassel@77.48.228.43] has joined #openttd 10:34:31 <andythenorth> planetmaker: how noticeable is the difference? 10:34:32 <andythenorth> http://tt-foundry.com/misc/sandpit_water_3.png 10:37:24 <Ammler> a sandbit in the desert looks silly :-) 10:37:40 <andythenorth> best place for it if you ask me :P 10:38:47 * andythenorth afk 10:40:35 *** Tennel [~Tennel@port-ip-213-211-224-139.reverse.mdcc-fun.de] has joined #openttd 10:41:41 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8dd61.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:42:21 <Ammler> no away message please :-P 10:49:14 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r20693 /trunk/src/ini.cpp: -Fix: use strncmp instead of memcmp for comparing strings 10:49:40 *** tycoondemon [~thok@82.75.115.73] has quit [Quit: If I were a rich man, Ya ha deedle deedle, bubba bubba deedle deedle dum. All day long I'd biddy biddy bum. If I were a wealthy man.] 10:52:40 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r20694 /trunk/src/newgrf_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#4087]: empty newgrf presets were not selectable 10:57:42 *** Tennel [~Tennel@port-ip-213-211-224-139.reverse.mdcc-fun.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 11:02:36 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:03:08 <robotboy> hello 11:07:58 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 11:11:59 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 11:14:50 <planetmaker> andythenorth, the difference is noticable 11:14:55 <planetmaker> The water looks greener 11:15:23 <andythenorth> in real sand pits that's realistic. But in game...? 11:16:17 <planetmaker> Don't hurt 11:16:17 * andythenorth ponders drawing the base of the sand pit without water 11:16:19 *** asnoehu [~thok@82.75.115.73] has joined #openttd 11:16:48 <planetmaker> andythenorth, animation: rain: full water and then it dries out ;-) 11:16:53 <andythenorth> at some point making the water look good is more work than drawing the ground tiles I'm trying to avoid 11:16:57 <andythenorth> no rain :P 11:17:01 <andythenorth> could be seasonal 11:17:13 <planetmaker> well. ^ 11:17:28 <planetmaker> what ground tiles does it need? 11:17:34 *** avdg [~Adium@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 11:18:16 <andythenorth> some that look like a sandpit... 11:19:11 <Rubidium> take the ones from ECS 11:19:12 <planetmaker> hm... I think the only thing which is a bit irritating with it is that the pit is quite rectangular 11:19:14 * Rubidium hides 11:19:28 <andythenorth> http://www.free-range.org.uk/images/images/23390.jpg 11:19:39 <planetmaker> Otherwise I find it quite perfect as is tbh 11:21:32 <andythenorth> planetmaker: and it's ok recolored for Gravel Pit (and future Clay Pit)? 11:23:19 <andythenorth> http://bayjournal.com.au/joomla/images/stories/organisations/ConsolidatedRutileLimited/crl%20sand%20mining.jpg 11:23:42 <andythenorth> or it could be like this: http://www.boggspaving.com/files/images/Screener%20in%20sand%20mine%20small.jpg 11:27:28 <planetmaker> possibly 11:27:30 * andythenorth goes to shops ;) 11:27:44 <andythenorth> planetmaker: I'll try drawing it with more irregular edges later 11:27:50 <andythenorth> maybe a small island :o 11:27:52 <planetmaker> as said, I'd make the pit itself maybe a bit more irregular... ok :-) 11:28:04 <planetmaker> Or two lakes, separated by a drive way 11:28:06 <planetmaker> or alike 11:28:18 <andythenorth> ok 11:28:50 <planetmaker> many many possibilities :-) 11:30:06 <jordi> Rubidium: openmsx is now accepted in unstable 11:31:46 <blathijs> jordi: I poked ftpmasters for that :-) 11:31:58 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1264 <-- comments, jordi ? 11:33:46 <jordi> blathijs: ahoy! 11:36:45 <jordi> planetmaker: regarding docs in the data dir, I think that's not the correct place 11:37:31 <jordi> from the Debian POV it's easy to resolve as we have a proper place in /usr/share/doc; I'd use that dir if you really need to install the docs via make install 11:37:50 <jordi> regarding the version in the directory: 11:37:56 <planetmaker> as every distro does its own thing there, it's kinda hard to define a proper default 11:38:09 <planetmaker> I'll expose DOCDIR for use 11:38:12 <blathijs> planetmaker: Did you see my mail on this subject this morning? 11:38:19 <planetmaker> blathijs, not yet 11:38:37 <planetmaker> seems to be still in transit... 11:38:41 <jordi> most upstream tar.gzs just don't install docs, just the necessary files to run the program 11:39:08 <blathijs> planetmaker: I rather liked your proposal to pass an "openttddir" and add /gm or /data, instead of having an "INSTALLDIR" 11:39:25 <planetmaker> :-) Ok, you get that 11:40:37 <planetmaker> jordi, in principle the user should have the choice to get the docs, though, right? 11:44:46 <jordi> planetmaker: yeah, probably defaulting to what the FHS says 11:45:24 <jordi> however, my opinion is a bit crippled by the fact that I very rarely install non-packaged software 11:45:25 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:508f:e7aa:518a:492a] has joined #openttd 11:45:28 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 11:45:47 <jordi> when I really need to use something that is non packaged, I find myself uploading it to debian after a while 11:46:25 <planetmaker> well... my concern is: users should have the chance to receive both, the license as well as the credits of the packages 11:46:42 <planetmaker> which is stripped, if you don't supply the readme 11:47:07 <planetmaker> which in turn is dubious wrt to "You should have received a copy of this license..." 11:47:12 <planetmaker> as in gpl. 11:47:46 <jordi> they are recieving it, it's in the tarball they unpacked 11:47:53 <planetmaker> ok 11:48:23 <jordi> in packaged form, the licence is supplied as a pointer to /usr/share/common-licences; the docs are in /usr/share/doc/openttd-openfoo 11:49:04 <jordi> now, if you ask me, I guess make install could install docs in /usr/local/share/doc/oopenttd-foo 11:49:32 <jordi> I don't think th'ats at all common in GNU packages, but I don't see it's a bad thing 11:49:36 <jordi> regarding versions in directories 11:50:09 <jordi> it's clear that package managers deal with the "renamed files left behind in the install dir" problem 11:50:28 <planetmaker> well. that can be avoided if using a non-versioned dir. 11:50:57 <jordi> for make install users, I see there's no way to avoid this, unless you teach them to do make uninstall before installing the new version, using the old tarball 11:51:18 <jordi> they will either get cruft in the /usr/share/openttd-openmsx/ dir 11:51:34 <planetmaker> opengfx and opensfx should cleanly update w/o garbage 11:51:49 <planetmaker> openmsx will indeed need a make uninstall before 11:52:02 <jordi> or they'll get even more cruft in /usr/share/openttd-openmsx-{version} if the older versions don't get removed manually 11:52:20 <jordi> so I think the problem is actually much worse with the versioned dir 11:52:38 * Rubidium only provides "make install" to make the work of packagers slightly easier :) 11:53:00 <Rubidium> make uninstall is bound to give trouble 11:53:41 <planetmaker> :-) 11:54:03 <planetmaker> I don't plan to supply 'uninstall' 11:54:22 <planetmaker> I didn't have the desire nor anyone told me s/he has 11:56:17 <blathijs> I guess that anyone who's not a package maintainer should be using bananas anyway... 11:56:28 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D6E5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:56:49 <planetmaker> yes 11:57:53 <Ammler> well, or you symlink from the repo to ~/.openttd/.. but rarly someone uses make install 11:58:07 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 11:58:26 <Rubidium> in any case I "think" we should get a standard set of defines for all OpenTTD related packages that control installation of stuff 12:00:34 <Ammler> OPENTTDDIR sounds nice 12:01:22 <Rubidium> and some sort of unified naming 12:01:52 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc1a92.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:01:53 <Ammler> does debian still /usr/games ? 12:02:03 <Rubidium> for the binary, yes 12:02:13 *** jpx_ [~jpx_@a91-156-225-96.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 12:02:28 <blathijs> datadir is /usr/share/games/openttd 12:02:58 <Ammler> in rpm it is /usr/share/openttd 12:03:00 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host176-238-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 12:03:03 <Ammler> so this needs config 12:03:05 <Wolf01> hello 12:03:26 <planetmaker> Rubidium, I fully agree. A common set of dirs would be nice... 12:03:57 *** George|2 [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 12:03:57 *** George is now known as Guest66 12:03:57 *** George|2 is now known as George 12:04:17 <planetmaker> But I guess the only somewhat constant thing is the (global) openttd dir in unix 12:04:35 <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/unified.txt <- does that sound reasonable? 12:05:37 <Ammler> couldn't empty dir reflect "not installing"? 12:05:49 <planetmaker> gm and data dir don't need to be specified explicitly as different IMHO 12:06:05 <planetmaker> as they're derived exactly like that 12:06:16 <planetmaker> and the gm dir should read .../gm/... not .../data/... 12:06:24 <Rubidium> refresh :) 12:07:04 <Rubidium> Ammler: could, but then you'd need to add INSTALL_LICENSE_DIR and INSTALL_CHANGELOG_DIR instead 12:07:30 <Ammler> true, is man part of docs? 12:07:57 <Rubidium> hmm, good point... I need an INSTALL_MAN 12:08:17 <Rubidium> in RPM-world man isn't doc 12:10:06 *** Guest66 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:10:45 *** Tennel [~Tennel@port-ip-213-211-224-139.reverse.mdcc-fun.de] has joined #openttd 12:11:45 <Rubidium> in any case, I think explicitly setting INSTALL_FOO might be more clear 12:12:01 <Rubidium> although... bad name 12:13:03 <Ammler> it is a bit LOLish nowaday to install without docs, if the docs are <1% of the whole package 12:14:35 <Rubidium> Ammler: it's "purely" to make the life of packagers easier :) 12:14:59 <Rubidium> easier packaging == faster inclusion downstream 12:17:35 <blathijs> Something else to consider: I think some source tarballs have default "Makefile.local" included (in addition to Makefile.local.sample). Could that perhaps be removed? 12:18:07 <blathijs> That will allow configuration by creating it, and cleanup by just removing it (as opposed to the current solution, which uses sed to undo changes) 12:18:08 <planetmaker> I think the posix way according to makefile manual is 12:18:30 <planetmaker> docdir, mandir, installdir, datadir destdir 12:19:49 <planetmaker> should be feasable... Though IIRC I use it to store some information usually retreived from the repo 12:19:57 <planetmaker> But that could probably be moved 12:20:27 <Ammler> maybe call it Makefile.dist? 12:21:11 <planetmaker> hm 12:21:18 <planetmaker> maybe yeah 12:21:30 <Rubidium> hmm, those paths from the make convention might be useful 12:22:14 <Rubidium> though they aren't set by default :( 12:22:38 <planetmaker> indeed they aren't 12:23:16 <Ammler> I also tried, I can mark also installed docs as doc for rpms 12:25:03 <Ammler> so the rpm specs in .devzone should work correctly 12:27:26 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-115-110.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 12:29:22 <blathijs> planetmaker: Heh, I know why you didn't see my email yet. I hadn't finished it :-) 12:29:45 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:29:47 <blathijs> planetmaker: But I think we've discussed it here already 12:30:04 <planetmaker> :-) 12:30:10 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 12:34:05 <Ammler> Rubidium: man pages _are_ docs in rpm 12:34:23 <Ammler> hmm, maybe there are differences in fedora 12:34:59 <Rubidium> Ammler: you do %doc manpage? 12:35:19 <Ammler> I do and I should (for suse) 12:36:13 <Ammler> doc, info & man 12:36:29 <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/unified.txt <- new version 12:39:22 <Ammler> [14:38] <darix> Ammler: it is correct. you dont have to mark man pages as %doc manually. rpm does that for you automatically 12:39:38 <Ammler> [14:39] <darix> Ammler: license/Changelog/author file you have to use %doc 12:40:38 *** wollollo [~martin@host86-175-29-209.wlms-broadband.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:42:41 <Ammler> so I don't need to :-) 12:44:53 <planetmaker> current version looks fine to me 12:45:18 <planetmaker> It means a bit renaming, but then things should be settled. And it follows as much posix (according to make manual) as possible 12:54:10 *** Biolunar [Mahdi@blfd-4db0fdc4.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:55:00 <Ammler> planetmaker: how will you handle the current make install to ~/.openttd ? 12:55:48 <planetmaker> Makefile.local will always work 12:57:12 <planetmaker> Otherwise I'm undecided 12:57:42 *** Chillosophy [~fu@82-170-139-109.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:58:21 <Ammler> or add a new target locinstall or so 12:58:31 <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/nforenum_install_rework.diff <- that seems to work quite alright 12:59:36 <Rubidium> Ammler: could you check whether the spec bit does what it's supposed to do? 13:01:12 <Ammler> I think, that if fine (make install DESTDIR=%{buildroot}) 13:01:44 <Ammler> is* 13:01:51 <Rubidium> Ammler: it's the prefix stuff I'm worried about. If it doesn't work it'll install in /usr/local/... 13:02:12 <Ammler> oh, prefix 13:02:29 <Rubidium> heffer: would http://rbijker.net/openttd/nforenum_install_rework.diff help you with your package? 13:03:09 <Ammler> Rubidium: what if you set default prefix to /usr if DESTDIR is defined? 13:03:44 <Rubidium> that's not according to the makefile convention 13:04:05 <Ammler> and makefile convention does handle destdir? 13:04:15 <Rubidium> http://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/make.html#DESTDIR <- yes 13:05:24 <heffer> Rubidium: yes that would help 13:05:44 <heffer> Rubidium: in fact, that would be everything i need :D 13:07:14 <Ammler> it doesn't make sense to install something to /usr/local if you use DESTDIR, that isn't logical, but well. 13:08:18 <Rubidium> Ammler: conventions don't need to be logical 13:09:08 <Ammler> yeah :-) 13:12:12 <Ammler> I wonder, if I need to add --prefix or if rpm would change that automatically 13:14:36 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D6E5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:16:16 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc1a92.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:18:45 <Ammler> Rubidium: anyway ${_prefix} -> %{_prefix} 13:19:43 <Rubidium> okay, new diff then :) 13:25:07 <Ammler> could run %{makeinstall} DESTDIR=... 13:35:58 *** VVG [~sdfkhksd@85.249.0.40] has quit [] 13:39:14 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 14:01:58 *** asnoehu [~thok@82.75.115.73] has quit [Quit: If I were a rich man, Ya ha deedle deedle, bubba bubba deedle deedle dum. 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seconds] 14:51:05 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r20695 /trunk/src/window.cpp: -Codechange: move PreventHiding to another location 14:51:28 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r20696 /trunk/src/window.cpp: -Codechange: create a new function to make sure part of the caption bar is visible when creating a window 14:52:42 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r20697 /trunk/src/window.cpp: -Fix [FS#4084]: call the new function after resizing a window so it's not possible a window becomes unmoveable 14:54:16 *** Sacro1 [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-72-61.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:03:19 <Belugas> hello 15:05:37 <Wolf01> hello 15:05:50 <andythenorth> planetmaker: more like this? http://tt-foundry.com/misc/sandpit_water_4.png 15:07:40 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 15:12:27 *** Westie [~westie@starfish.typefish.co.uk] has quit [Quit: ----] 15:14:47 <Belugas> blink blink 15:21:56 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:24:06 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(r20611, r20610, r20609) 16:56:32 * avdg is again studying c++ 17:02:16 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:09:50 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D6E5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:12:10 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D6E5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:12:44 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-134-56.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:15:01 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-81-121.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 17:15:04 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 17:17:24 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:20:40 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:37:54 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.184.104] has joined #openttd 17:40:04 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-72-61.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:45:43 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r20699 /trunk/src/lang/ (9 files): (log message trimmed) 17:45:43 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:43 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: dutch - 11 changes by habell 17:45:43 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: esperanto - 7 changes by Christopher 17:45:43 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: hungarian - 7 changes by IPG 17:45:44 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: icelandic - 25 changes by grjonib 17:45:44 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: italian - 8 changes by lorenzodv 17:52:54 <andythenorth> evening 17:58:43 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20700 /branches/1.0/src/lang/ (32 files in 2 dirs): [1.0] -Update the language files 18:02:24 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-81-121.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:04:33 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-143-151.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 18:04:36 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 18:16:54 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-cef4e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 18:17:11 * Zuu likes the "bug report" about the CluelessPlus station names :-) 18:21:51 *** AnodA [~AnodA@95-90-0-250-dynip.superkabel.de] 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transfer orders, the cargo will only be unloaded on stations that accept the cargo. 18:46:46 <Zuu> A station will accept the cargo if it covers town houses/industries that in turn accept the cargo. 18:55:28 *** Markk [~markk@213.229.75.82] has joined #openttd 18:57:10 <SteelSide> uhm 18:57:14 <SteelSide> at least for me the trains unload anyway 18:57:17 <SteelSide> but you don't get no money for it 18:57:18 <SteelSide> :< 19:00:08 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20701 /branches/1.0/ (11 files in 6 dirs): [1.0] -Prepare: for 1.0.4-RC1 19:00:10 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:01:07 <Zuu> SteelSide: IIRC there is an advanced setting that enables the behaviour that you experience. 19:01:30 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:02:56 <SteelSide> well seems to be on by default, or modified in the rpm I got of it, cause I haven't poked with any setting that would be near that 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It's purely visual, with no effect on the train, so it's relatively easy - however, I'm finding working out where to add the sprites pretty confusing. Is there a guide for this sort of thing, or something like that? 23:41:29 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-72-61.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:41:34 <Eddi|zuHause> Jonnty: there are 8 signal types, of which 2 are unused but already have sprites. you can reuse those, and if applicable replace them in openttd.grf 23:41:55 <Jonnty> ah, excellent 23:44:12 <Jonnty> what are the unused ones? 23:44:23 <Eddi|zuHause> Jonnty: you can also check the old "advance signal" patch from here: http://www.icosahedron.de/openttd/patches/ 23:45:02 <Jonnty> ah yes, I should really have searched 23:45:08 <Jonnty> i knew someone would have got there before me 23:45:49 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:48:14 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 23:54:45 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.88.193] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 23:55:26 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 23:56:34 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-74.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:58:50 <__ln__> good morning