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00:01:13 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:12:49 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8A87.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:16:21 *** avdg [~Adium@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:24:16 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:26:51 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:27:43 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:41:29 *** glevans2 [~glevans2@adsl-99-129-145-187.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 00:51:55 *** dihedral [~dih@znc.noaddedsugar.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:52:05 *** dihedral [~dih@znc.noaddedsugar.net] has joined #openttd 01:00:29 *** elho_ [elho@psycho.elho.net] has joined #openttd 01:02:13 *** elho [elho@psycho.elho.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:02:13 *** elho_ is now known as elho 01:05:48 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.30.207] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:08:00 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.30.207] has joined #openttd 01:18:14 <glevans2> is there a how-to page/link for setting up a dedicated server on Debian 5? 01:29:26 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 01:40:29 *** trebuchet [~Trebuchet@69.51.104.87] has joined #openttd 01:46:25 *** ShawnR [~Boes@h75-100-77-252.cyrlok.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:48:26 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:48:45 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 01:48:46 *** ShawnR [~Boes@h75-100-77-252.cyrlok.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has joined #openttd 01:50:12 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 01:57:01 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:05:47 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: keoz] 02:24:53 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-156-095.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 02:30:34 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@dslb-094-220-139-084.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:41:54 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:51:24 *** trebuchet [~Trebuchet@69.51.104.87] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:03:16 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:508f:e7aa:518a:492a] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:07:45 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 03:30:39 <planetmaker> good morning 03:36:52 <planetmaker> glevans2: there's hardly any page which describes setting up a server 03:37:28 <planetmaker> in principle you only need to call openttd with the correct parameters 03:37:33 <planetmaker> openttd -D 03:37:45 <planetmaker> and you're set, if you have enabled the proper ports 03:37:46 <planetmaker> @ports 03:37:47 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service, a.k.a. BaNaNaS (outbound) 03:37:49 <planetmaker> ^ 03:47:59 *** Boes_ [~Boes@h75-100-77-252.cyrlok.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has joined #openttd 03:54:49 *** ShawnR [~Boes@h75-100-77-252.cyrlok.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:00:15 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8dd61.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:01:33 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 04:12:35 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.213.146] has joined #openttd 04:18:56 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.184.104] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:42:17 <__ln__> wtf, Mezzo-Mix® now available in finland. 04:45:21 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: more listen, more understand, more know] 04:50:19 <planetmaker> yippieh :-P No need to mix coke and orange lemonade by hand anymore ;-) 04:50:36 <planetmaker> hello __ln__ :-) 04:52:56 <__ln__> hello :) 04:54:33 <__ln__> "Mezzo Mix is a product of the Coca-Cola Company sold only in Germany, Switzerland, Austria and Finland." according to a wikipedia 04:55:21 <__ln__> and that's strange because finns have no history of mixing coke and orange lemonade 04:56:04 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B747CB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:56:13 *** rait [~isofox@82.131.25.231.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:56:30 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B749C2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:59:26 <planetmaker> he. I'm not sure we have a history of mixing it either 04:59:41 <planetmaker> But it's available here since ever I remember 05:03:52 <Noldo> __ln__: finns have a history of drinkin everything? 05:06:57 <planetmaker> :-D 05:07:13 <planetmaker> Noldo: I don't think so. C2H5OH needs to be involved, I think 05:07:36 *** Goulpy is now known as Muxy 05:08:05 <Noldo> for professionals -OH is enough 05:08:35 <planetmaker> hm... CH3OH is something I usually try to avoid... 05:08:49 <planetmaker> at least in my body 05:10:31 <Noldo> me too 05:10:39 *** Goulpy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 05:11:29 <Noldo> though the treatment for methanol poisoning is quite... interesting 05:11:38 <planetmaker> :-D indeed 05:12:00 *** Muxy is now known as Guest141 05:12:00 *** Goulpy is now known as Muxy 05:17:13 *** Guest141 [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:19:59 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-16-114-12.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:38:56 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:57:03 *** shahrul [shahrul@110.159.60.232] has joined #openttd 05:57:18 *** shahrul [shahrul@110.159.60.232] has left #openttd [] 06:05:25 *** TomyLobo [~foo@port-212-202-171-176.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 06:21:30 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tlubrasgw1-fe86de00-246.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 06:28:59 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:37:50 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 06:56:50 <Terkhen> good morning 06:58:50 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 07:27:50 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host176-238-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 07:27:57 <Wolf01> 'morning 07:34:02 *** TomyLobo [~foo@port-212-202-171-176.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: A key, command, or action that tells the system to return to a previous state or stop a process.] 07:34:39 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has joined #openttd 07:35:44 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 08:04:36 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 08:08:04 <dihedral> morning ^^ 08:43:03 *** Progman [~progman@p57A198DF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:47:51 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.30.207] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:52:00 *** Goulpy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 08:58:41 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:15:14 <SmatZ> morning 09:16:13 *** fanioz [~fanioz@180.214.233.28] has joined #openttd 09:17:02 <Ammler> nooning 09:19:43 <planetmaker> :-) nooning, too 09:23:05 <SmatZ> :) 09:25:49 *** Yexo [~Yexo@153-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Quit: bye] 09:26:05 *** Yexo [~Yexo@153-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 09:28:13 *** SteelSide [~SteelSide@217.76.87.68] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:29:03 *** lewymati [~lewymati@89.230.159.206] has joined #openttd 10:04:03 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF88AD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:07:18 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has joined #openttd 10:19:29 *** SteelSide [~SteelSide@217.76.87.68] has joined #openttd 10:20:11 *** lasershock [lasershock@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.39 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 10:24:51 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: keoz] 10:36:02 *** Goulpy is now known as Muxy 10:37:10 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-74.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 10:41:38 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.88.193] has joined #openttd 10:53:32 *** fanioz [~fanioz@180.214.233.28] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:24:28 <Eddi|zuHause> afternooning! 11:24:52 <Ammler> :-) 11:25:31 *** lordaro [~the_overl@host86-136-94-13.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:32:45 <TrueBrain> the most 5 hour long interesting conversation EVAH 11:35:27 <Eddi|zuHause> and you spoilt it! 11:36:52 <TrueBrain> no, that you did 11:36:57 <TrueBrain> fair is fair 11:37:26 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:53:13 *** Westie [~westie@starfish.typefish.co.uk] has quit [Quit: ----] 11:58:01 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:58:02 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:58:05 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 11:59:21 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:559d:4580:cb56:7e5f] has joined #openttd 11:59:24 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:01:33 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 12:11:38 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF88AD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:13:10 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:13:22 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 12:16:09 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 12:18:53 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r20705 /trunk/src/ (network/network_chat_gui.cpp window.cpp): -Fix: graphic glitch when switching to a different-sized font while the chat message box was visible 12:20:14 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 12:26:21 *** [hta]specx [~opera@ip94-126-210-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:28:45 *** avdg [~Adium@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 12:44:46 *** avdg [~Adium@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:45:42 *** avdg [~Adium@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 12:54:43 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 12:59:34 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:59:48 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:09:07 <Belugas> hello 13:09:20 <avdg> hi 13:10:18 <__ln__> hello sir 13:11:02 <Goulp> Hello Mr Caviar in a plane 13:11:48 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8dd61.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 13:20:38 *** Ammler [~ammler@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: gone...] 13:20:51 *** Ammler [~ammler@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 13:28:39 *** none [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 13:30:45 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:31:56 *** RZS [~wicht23@ip-81-210-173-117.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #openttd 13:32:46 *** RZS is now known as elias 13:33:04 <elias> who wants to play? 13:35:10 <Belugas> floosh floosh 13:35:52 <Belugas> ho... i want to play. but the questionwould have been better asked if added : Who wants to play and who can play? 13:36:07 <planetmaker> hey ho :-) 13:37:03 <elias> lol 13:37:11 <planetmaker> elias, there are many people who do play. There are many servers around, just join one 13:37:38 <elias> indeed, but i just want a new game 13:37:56 <planetmaker> My bet is there are servers with (nearly) new games 13:38:04 <elias> an d others can't see my hosted games 13:38:27 <elias> (nearly) <- ^^ 13:38:36 <planetmaker> what does it matter? 13:38:48 <planetmaker> whether one or two or five years passed? 13:38:49 <Combuster> elias: are you configured for LAN games? 13:38:50 <elias> a clean field :) 13:39:05 <Combuster> 5 years won't fill a field that bad 13:39:05 <elias> i can see internet games 13:39:06 <planetmaker> And why should others then find your game so more interesting? 13:39:56 <elias> hm.. thats not the point. i just want a clean field. yes its unnormal i know ^^ 13:40:17 <planetmaker> but... then... that will change, if you want others to play there, too 13:40:26 <planetmaker> That's two things which contradict eachother IMHO 13:40:50 <elias> its not that bad ei :) 13:41:11 <planetmaker> then joining a nearly new server is the same 13:41:23 <planetmaker> many servers don't even have players 13:41:34 <planetmaker> So they ARE new in respect to being untouched 13:41:46 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:41:47 <elias> ok.. but last question. why do they dont see my hosted game? 13:41:59 <planetmaker> Do you know they don't? 13:42:26 <planetmaker> Did you wait 5 minutes and check for your server at servers.openttd.org? 13:42:29 <elias> i think so yes... cause i tried out yesterday with a friedn 13:42:40 <elias> oh nice ... thx allot 13:42:55 <planetmaker> besides... 13:42:59 <planetmaker> @ports 13:42:59 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service, a.k.a. BaNaNaS (outbound) 13:43:56 <planetmaker> cable modems very often have a router function, too. They need configuration to open those ports bi-directionally; Usual is only out-bound 13:44:03 <planetmaker> And nothing is forwarded 13:45:12 <elias> thanks for help pm 13:46:18 <planetmaker> you're welcome 13:47:08 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:47:08 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 13:48:35 *** avdg [~Adium@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:52:06 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 13:53:49 *** `Fuco` [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 13:54:14 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:59:41 *** Boes_ is now known as ShawnR 13:59:51 *** ShawnR [~Boes@h75-100-77-252.cyrlok.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has quit [] 14:07:09 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:07:16 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 14:09:29 *** Biolunar [Mahdi@blfd-4db0fdc4.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 14:10:34 <VVG> hello 14:11:15 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-72-61.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:11:40 <VVG> what's the use of "assert(fract < DAY_TICKS);" ? I don't get why it's < and not >. 14:12:15 <SmatZ> fract has to be < DAY_TICKS 14:12:18 <SmatZ> not == nor > 14:12:28 <planetmaker> VVG, assert = make sure that 14:12:48 <planetmaker> (and fail otherwise) 14:13:00 <SmatZ> have a look what "assert" means in English :) 14:13:15 <VVG> ahha, that means i pass fract that's bigger than day_ticks? 14:13:38 <planetmaker> then it will catch it and abort 14:14:22 <SmatZ> silly glibc and its inline asm :-/ it breaks compilation with intel asm... 14:15:50 <planetmaker> he 14:16:22 <SmatZ> __asm__ ("rorw , %w0" : "=r" (__v) : "0" (__x) : "cc"); 14:23:57 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:27:12 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 14:31:34 *** Yexo [~Yexo@153-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Write error: connection closed] 14:31:44 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@153-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 14:37:04 <VVG> http://pastebin.com/LU3MsAZx 14:37:46 <ccfreak2k> VVG, fract must be smaller than DAY_TICKS or it dies with assertion failed. 14:37:48 <VVG> i don't get it. It works as intened when it's days or ticks, the default behavior. And no reaction at all in case of hhmm. I don't even see a button being clicked 14:38:17 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 14:38:32 <VVG> ccfreak2k: atleast one case of fract being bigger than day_ticks i fixed already 14:38:50 <SmatZ> http://nopaste.info/f0c5b1204f.html how can gcc even generate that code? at -O2... 14:39:50 <VVG> ccfreak2k: though, if that was said without looking at the link i posted, then thanks, though i figured that out already :) 14:40:27 <ccfreak2k> VVG, I'm just telling you exactly what that line means completely out of the context in which it's used. 14:42:25 *** none [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:44:15 <michi_cc> SmatZ: What was the input? And what comes after? The use of CL might be because it somehow wants to avoid a partial register stall (especially bad on P4). 14:44:39 <ccfreak2k> I thought pipe stalls were a feature on the Pentium 4. 14:45:50 <SmatZ> michi_cc: the problem is it fails to propagate constants... and even then, testl %ecx, %ecx; setne %cl; testb %cl, %cl is weird 14:46:20 <SmatZ> http://nopaste.info/8e11ed1517.html input is glibc memset() 14:46:26 <michi_cc> Oh, so it tests on constants? That is bad :) 14:48:02 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF88AD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:49:03 <SmatZ> I am receiving many false warnings when compiling OTTD, so I wanted to have a look... 14:49:18 <SmatZ> this scared me :-p 14:49:25 *** [hta]specx [~opera@ip94-126-210-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 14:49:36 <SmatZ> when compiling with LTO, that is 14:53:31 *** fjb [~frank@p5485E184.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:53:38 <fjb> Moin 14:57:40 <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=900465#p900465 <-- Froix is right, in OpenTTD 1.0.3 the snowyness of depots is not updated, if the snow goes away, but only if it comes 14:57:47 <planetmaker> In trunk that issue does not exist. 14:57:57 <planetmaker> Bug or missing and not back-ported feature? 14:58:48 <Rubidium> planetmaker: since when is that issue fixed in trunk? 14:59:31 <planetmaker> I have no idea. I know that frosch some weeks ago fiddled with things; Depots also got a build date 14:59:34 <Rubidium> VVG: if (p2 = 1) is... uhm... always true 14:59:54 <Rubidium> VVG: same with if (p2 = -1) 15:00:03 <planetmaker> I just tested current one - and found it a non-issue in trunk. Then before replying "works for me" I just tested in stable 15:00:11 <ccfreak2k> Rubidium, because it's an assignment, right? 15:00:25 <Rubidium> yup 15:00:27 <planetmaker> But I shall try to find out 15:00:59 <Rubidium> 6793#SF... 15:01:17 <Rubidium> not even remembering his own bug reports :) 15:01:52 <planetmaker> you talk to me? 15:02:27 <VVG> gah, thanks! 15:02:48 <planetmaker> yes :-) 15:03:05 <planetmaker> I'm backward today ;-) - makes reading backward difficult 15:03:12 <VVG> and the proper equivalence test was just a few lines away to notice :( 15:03:58 *** avdg [~Adium@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:04:48 <planetmaker> Rubidium, will you backport that? 15:05:03 <planetmaker> or shall I tell the person to play nightlies? 15:06:32 <ccfreak2k> planetmaker, better than opposite day. 15:09:22 <Rubidium> @commit 20702 15:09:23 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: Commit by rubidium :: r20702 /tags/1.0.4-RC1 (5 files in 4 dirs) (2010-08-30 19:03:31 UTC) 15:09:24 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: -Release: 1.0.4-RC1 15:10:12 <planetmaker> you mean... I should read the changelog? :-) 15:10:45 *** elias [~wicht23@ip-81-210-173-117.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:11:54 <Rubidium> or test it 15:12:02 <planetmaker> I guess I should update my 'stable' to 'testing' :-) 15:12:14 <Rubidium> but reading the changelog would probably suffice 15:15:11 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f52f4.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:15:36 <planetmaker> :-) Indeed, I definitely don't remember all my bug reports. Too many for that :-P 15:17:12 *** DeeDee [~chatzilla@HSI-KBW-078-042-157-252.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #openttd 15:18:51 *** rait [~isofox@62.65.238.3.cable.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 15:19:00 <[hta]specx> I had this traincrash 15:19:11 <[hta]specx> I built a single line with two stations 15:19:45 <[hta]specx> when train 1 arrived at drop station, I built second train on the line, ignoring the signals 15:20:35 <[hta]specx> when train 1 arrived back at load station, i built a line around dropstation such that train 1 would go around station into depot 15:20:46 <[hta]specx> train 2 was still on loadstation 15:21:25 <planetmaker> and still ignoring signals 15:21:42 <planetmaker> ignore signals and sign for crashes ;-) 15:21:42 <[hta]specx> then, about 15 tiles before loadstation, I put PBS signals: 1 in front of train 2 facing train 2, 1 signal right before th depot facing train 1, and a signal bfore the split 15:22:18 <[hta]specx> the returning train then simply drove into station, as opposed to drive around it via the depot 15:22:41 <[hta]specx> with one-way signals this always works flawlessly 15:22:58 <[hta]specx> and afaik has always worked flawlessly, iirc since 052 15:23:07 <[hta]specx> (maybe even 045, not sure) 15:23:54 <[hta]specx> http://imgur.com/eDlXD.png 15:24:18 <[hta]specx> is this behaviour which *should* happen, or is it enough to put on FS? 15:25:35 <planetmaker> path signals never worked before 0.7 15:25:41 <planetmaker> simply due to non-existance 15:25:42 <[hta]specx> oneway did 15:25:42 <VVG> signal somewhere on the left - is it a block signal? 15:26:11 <[hta]specx> I'm saying one-way signals worked always, not PBS 15:26:16 <[hta]specx> left signal is pbs 15:27:20 <planetmaker> yes. But path signals facing away from a train don't interrupt its reservation. How should they, it's no place to stop anyway 15:28:13 <[hta]specx> shouldnt reservation be reevaluated after line config has changed? 15:29:03 <[hta]specx> just like one-way block signals 15:29:05 <planetmaker> not if the path remains accessible 15:29:20 <planetmaker> one-way block signals make the path un-passable 15:29:23 <[hta]specx> it wasnt accessible 15:29:35 <[hta]specx> since there was a 2nd train waiting 15:30:11 <planetmaker> but it was reserved before there were signals... and even if... it was told to ignore them 15:30:15 <planetmaker> (or the other one) 15:30:18 <[hta]specx> (here we might have some trouble with the definition of accessible) 15:30:54 <planetmaker> well, the answer is simple: don't ignore signals 15:31:07 <planetmaker> or don't complain about train crashes :-) 15:31:22 <[hta]specx> well its just that I can use oneway signals 15:31:32 <[hta]specx> which isnt a problem 15:31:46 <[hta]specx> but using all PBS saves a few clicks everytime i make a new line 15:31:58 <[hta]specx> in 4 hoiur game, this adds up 15:32:16 <planetmaker> hm. How do path signals save time? 15:32:29 <[hta]specx> simply use all path signals 15:32:38 <[hta]specx> instead of combined block/path 15:32:51 <[hta]specx> no need to switch between block/path 15:33:06 <roboboy> gnightish 15:33:12 <planetmaker> g'night roboboy 15:33:39 <[hta]specx> also, its less errorprone 15:33:53 <[hta]specx> except trains crashing ;) 15:34:41 <[hta]specx> for instance, no need to make specialized signalling in front of stations (just ctrl+drag signal and complet line is signalled) 15:35:27 <[hta]specx> or when making LLRR lines, no need to apply pbs signals at junctions/joins correct (this can take quite some work) 15:38:38 <VVG> now that i have read the log, did i understand it right that drive around track and signals were placed after 2nd train made a reservation to station? 15:39:10 <[hta]specx> no 15:39:24 <[hta]specx> stepwise xplanation: 15:40:46 <[hta]specx> 1. built load station, 2. built depot~connecting depot to station, 3. buy train, put it onto load station, 4. built line, 5. built drop station, 6. set orders correct, 7. train 1 entrs drop station generating income) 15:41:47 <[hta]specx> 8. buy second train, 9. second train ignores signals and gos onto load station, 10. train 1 is about 15 tiles before entering load station (wher train 2 waits) 15:42:13 <[hta]specx> 11. track around station is built, 12. 3x PBS signal is added, 13. crash 15:42:57 <[hta]specx> the signals are added _before_ train1 arrives at the split 15:43:09 <VVG> at step 9, did train 1 reserved its path into station? 15:43:28 <[hta]specx> no idea 15:43:32 <[hta]specx> I can test 15:45:19 <VVG> back of 2way pbs is not a safe waiting spot, so train coming from the left will reserve its path right into station. But if station is reserved train at depot should stay in, failing to reserve a path onto station 15:45:56 <VVG> hm 15:46:02 <[hta]specx> when testing 15:46:05 <VVG> am i right with this assumption? 15:46:44 <[hta]specx> train2 reserves track _in the station_ as if the station has a signal every block 15:47:09 <[hta]specx> wait 15:47:14 <VVG> signals somewhere on the left, out of the image is a standart block signal? 15:47:18 <[hta]specx> thre is a oneway pbs and twoway pbs? 15:47:36 <VVG> oneway pbs, last in signal gui, does not allow passing from behind 15:47:39 <VVG> two way does 15:48:03 <[hta]specx> you learn somehting new everyday at ottd 15:48:16 <[hta]specx> that should solve it i guess.... will test now 15:51:23 <[hta]specx> that works 15:51:58 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:52:02 <[hta]specx> problem solved 15:52:32 *** sparr [sparr@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 15:52:39 <[hta]specx> VVG signals somewhere on the left, out of the image is a standart block signal? --> oneway PBS 15:52:48 <[hta]specx> in th image, there are three oneway pbs signals 15:53:43 *** DeeDee [~chatzilla@HSI-KBW-078-042-157-252.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:53:50 <[hta]specx> I will use onewaypbs signals now, this should enable me to use them exclusively over the complete network 15:55:50 <VVG> may be ctrl+ placement of pbs signals should be the same as with presignals :) 15:55:51 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:06:24 *** Westie [~westie@starfish.typefish.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:14:06 <Eddi|zuHause> VVG: what do you mean? 16:15:51 *** Sacro is now known as Guest184 16:15:52 *** Sacro [~ben@94-116-82-143.dynamic.thecloud.net] has joined #openttd 16:16:40 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:18:28 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20706 /trunk/src/object_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r20664): land slope check wasn't called when it should be called 16:23:56 *** lewymati [~lewymati@89.230.159.206] has quit [] 16:24:37 <VVG> Eddi|zuHause: nothing really, that was more like a joke comment 16:25:02 <Eddi|zuHause> VVG: then i clearly don't understand the joke... 16:26:46 <VVG> if ctrl+ drag presignals, you get standart signals placed 16:27:25 <Eddi|zuHause> that would be silly... 16:30:04 <VVG> i myself would welcome it, since i use presignals and pbs only in places where i need them, not every where on track 16:31:11 <VVG> though, now that i think a bit more, it won't make a difference for me anyway... 16:35:49 *** trebuchet [~Trebuchet@69.51.104.87] has joined #openttd 16:35:56 <lordaro> question: what's with the regression AI-thing? 16:36:40 <lordaro> and what was done here: http://hg.openttd.org/openttd/trunk.hg/rev/eec183a7078d 16:37:11 <frosch123> read up on "regression tests" 16:38:12 <lordaro> which i will find where? 16:38:21 <Eddi|zuHause> i 16:38:25 <Eddi|zuHause> 'd start with google 16:38:52 <frosch123> then pick the wiki article which is likely on the first page 16:40:31 <lordaro> i knew that... 16:40:31 <lordaro> ok, i didn't think it would be something i'd find on google :-D 16:40:43 <lordaro> reading now 16:42:27 <Terkhen> what's not in google? 16:42:39 <Terkhen> besides articles I need to read 16:49:54 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:50:34 <Belugas> lol!! 16:50:44 <Belugas> Voulez-vous Continuer [O/N] 16:50:48 <[hta]specx> cars 16:50:52 <Belugas> answer O 16:50:54 <Belugas> fail 16:50:55 <[hta]specx> havent been able to download them yet 16:51:02 <Belugas> you actually have to answer Y 16:51:03 <planetmaker> hehe @ Belugas 16:51:11 <planetmaker> what? lool 16:51:15 <Belugas> yeah 16:51:23 <Belugas> the text was coorectly tranwaclated, 16:51:26 <planetmaker> yoi? 16:51:26 <Belugas> not the mechanism 16:52:17 *** Sacro [~ben@94-116-82-143.dynamic.thecloud.net] has quit [Quit: Sacro] 16:53:17 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-27-221-107.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 16:55:04 <Eddi|zuHause> i have had similar experiences with "J" 16:55:21 <Eddi|zuHause> don't remember which program, though 16:55:48 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:55:48 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 16:55:48 <Terkhen> me too, but answering "S" caused the program to end 16:56:03 <Terkhen> it was some package manager; I don't remember which one 16:59:35 *** TomyLobo [~foo@port-212-202-171-176.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 17:03:57 <Lakie> Rubidium: for the object colour callback, should I call this just for on map drawing or in the preview too? 17:09:52 <planetmaker> I guess your choice :-) 17:10:01 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 17:10:03 <planetmaker> I think it's not done for vehicles and alike 17:10:16 * Lakie was goin for consistancy. 17:10:26 <Lakie> Well, the only thing that uses the same is houses iirc 17:10:33 <planetmaker> sure? 17:10:33 <Lakie> Which off course has no previews... 17:10:37 <planetmaker> :-) 17:10:39 <planetmaker> true 17:10:40 <Lakie> cb1e? 17:11:21 <Lakie> Which leaves the question of if the ui should also call it. :) 17:11:55 <Lakie> Ah, ok, not quite 1e as it made out in specs 17:12:31 *** TheMask96 [martijn@lust.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:14:57 <Lakie> Hmm... ok, I guess I should implement it at construction time, same as description and set the colour, using it over owner colours if the callback flag is set, is the way it reads. 17:16:56 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 17:17:37 <Rubidium> Lakie: I'm not calling it for drawing the preview 17:18:05 <Lakie> Ok, does the above sound correct for how it should behave? 17:18:21 <Rubidium> that's a good question :) 17:18:53 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B749C2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:19:01 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:19:37 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B749C2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:19:56 <Lakie> I understand cb 1E is called (always) just before drawing, we would effectively be caching them according to the wiki description 17:21:41 <Ammler> why do translators translate the language string? 17:21:50 <Rubidium> Lakie: yes, caching... and that's good :) 17:21:58 <Ammler> how do I now find back to English from Belarusian? 17:22:54 <Ammler> ah, I were in the town names menu :-) 17:22:59 <planetmaker> Ammler: By choosing English again :-) 17:23:33 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: only the own language name is translated 17:23:46 <Ammler> yeah, I were in the wrong menu :-P 17:25:03 * Lakie shall assume that if the grf isn't loaded showing company colours is the best idea 17:26:33 *** Fast2_ [~Fast2@p57AF887B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:27:02 <Belugas> [12:55] <Terkhen> me too, but answering "S" caused the program to end <-- yeah, exactly :) in my case, it was sudo get-apt 17:27:33 <Ammler> it does switch the font ingame, if you chose non-latin language, but it isn't possible to switch that manually, for example if I use english but a russian town set? 17:27:51 <lordaro> @Lakie (and whoever else knows) 17:27:51 <lordaro> question: how do you get it to display like that? with the (for me) 3 *** at the beginning and no ':' after the name 17:27:51 <lordaro> </stupid-question> 17:28:07 <Rubidium> Ammler: yes... in the config file, or whenever you make a good GUI for that 17:28:11 <Belugas> i've loaded EasyPeasy on my son's Acer Aspire One. Nice machine, but stupidely slow on WinXP 17:28:13 <Lakie> /me ? 17:28:30 <Ammler> Rubidium: a action14 var? 17:29:01 <Rubidium> Ammler: that brings trouble pretty quickly 17:29:14 <Rubidium> as there are damn few fonts that support all languages 17:29:37 <Ammler> how do you do it with the languages? 17:29:37 <Lakie> Heh, or supports enough of those landguages 17:29:38 <planetmaker> hm. Multi-font support probably is a bad idea, right? 17:29:52 <Rubidium> and... none of the OSes seem to have functionality to say that a font must support X Y Z 17:29:53 <planetmaker> Lakie: they're all supported. But not at once 17:29:54 <Ammler> maybe we can do it similar with the action14 17:29:55 <lordaro> Lakie: yes, like that 17:30:15 <Lakie> Well, you don't get many 'full' unicode fonts 17:30:28 <planetmaker> nope 17:30:35 <planetmaker> hm... is there a gpl-ed one? 17:30:40 * Lakie has only seen maybe one or two which supposedly support the full rang 17:31:29 <Ammler> but, but, openttd does already switch font, if I switch to belarusian 17:31:29 <Lakie> Also, to answer the question, Ammler 17:31:33 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF88AD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:31:39 <Lakie> Sometimes people do not understand english 17:31:44 *** Fast2_ is now known as Fast2 17:31:55 <Lakie> Or may not know their language name in english 17:32:31 <Ammler> Lakie: yeah, all fine, I had troubles, because I were in the town names menu and thought, that are the languages :-) 17:32:35 <Lakie> As such, language strings are usually translated in all programs (sometimes with a bracketed english name) 17:32:48 <Rubidium> Ammler: please tell me how to figure out what font to use which supports the Chinese Town Name set when playing with Arabic as language 17:33:05 <planetmaker> yeah. It's also stupid to change to a language, if you don't even know how it is spellt in its own language ;-) 17:33:09 <Rubidium> your 30 seconds thinking time start now! 17:33:26 <planetmaker> only 30? :-( 17:33:34 <Lakie> Um, I think ms word swaps fonts and stuff but thats such a messy solution. 17:33:36 <planetmaker> I need longer for this search I started 17:33:57 <planetmaker> @calc 24 * 86400 17:33:57 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 2073600 17:34:02 <planetmaker> ^ give me that many 17:34:10 <Ammler> Rubidium: well, here the problem starts already with english :-) 17:34:20 <Lakie> not 24*3600? 17:34:38 <Ammler> but also if the set would support glyph sprites, if someone would use arabic font, woudl that work? 17:34:38 <Rubidium> Lakie: nah, he needs more than 3 weeks for it 17:34:53 <Lakie> Heh, fair enough. 17:35:21 <Lakie> I don't think I've seen an implicit solution 17:35:25 <Rubidium> Arabic does very fancy things with it's fonts, so... I've got no clue and don't intend to find out 17:35:52 <Lakie> Maybe gdi where it does it behind the scenes, but no non-windows core code I've seen 17:36:35 <Lakie> Becides isn't the scaling different for latin/asian/arabic fonts in openttd? 17:36:36 <Rubidium> and yes, solving the problem for Cyrillic languages might be relatively easy, but... that's only a few languages. Non-latin non-cyrillic is a way bigger group which needs way way way more glyps 17:36:40 <Rubidium> +h 17:37:09 <Lakie> Like 21k kanjis... 17:38:29 <Ammler> where btw. do people talk belarusian? 17:38:39 <Rubidium> Belarus 17:40:43 <planetmaker> Lakie: I meant 7*86400. But... two weeks more are not bad either 17:40:55 <Lakie> Heh 17:41:43 <planetmaker> Ammler: WeiÃrussland 17:42:23 <Lakie> This file would be so much shorter in C++... 17:45:47 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r20707 /trunk/src/lang/ (6 files): (log message trimmed) 17:45:47 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:47 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: belarusian - 22 changes by KorneySan 17:45:47 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: german - 6 changes by planetmaker 17:45:47 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: korean - 2 changes by junho2813 17:45:48 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: portuguese - 21 changes by SupSuper 17:45:48 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: serbian - 10 changes by etran 17:49:16 <lordaro> *runs update script and says 'woo!' :) 17:49:22 <planetmaker> :-D We should add the free debian font archive 17:49:26 <planetmaker> it's only 94 MB 17:49:29 <planetmaker> :-P 17:49:29 <peter1138> update script, eh? 17:50:27 <lordaro> this one -> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=49672 17:52:15 <lordaro> edit: no ignore the update script, it's just me presuming just because the translations are in, it gets updated instantly (if on forums i would currently write: :oops: ) 17:53:31 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 17:53:34 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:57:04 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:59:27 *** Chillosophy [~fu@82-170-139-109.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:00:25 <Eddi|zuHause> <Ammler> where btw. do people talk belarusian? <-- in "WeiÃrussland", of course 18:00:47 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:01:06 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: ja :-P 18:01:25 <Eddi|zuHause> probably the country with the most democracy-deficite in europe... 18:02:08 <Ammler> there are only 206 towns there... 18:02:40 <Eddi|zuHause> i only know one... 18:02:54 <Eddi|zuHause> Minsk... 18:03:26 <Ammler> yeah, top on the list: ÐÑÐœÑк 18:04:01 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:04:04 <Eddi|zuHause> well, that's kind of the obvious choice ;) 18:06:24 <planetmaker> hm... Hallo in FreeSerif ã ìŽëë;ã ë㠣㠣ÙÙس٠٠٠ÙÙ dkskd åºåŸ·æäžå¡åвлОЎвÑÑ <-- if that shows all characters... we have Chinese, Korean, Arabic, Cyrillic and Latin in one... 18:06:54 <Eddi|zuHause> all those do display here... 18:07:12 <planetmaker> here, too 18:07:24 <Eddi|zuHause> but that doesn't mean they are all in one font, the program might do automatic fallbacks... 18:07:40 <planetmaker> so there *should* be one(?) font... hm 18:08:18 <Eddi|zuHause> i use DejaVu Sans Mono 18:08:48 <Eddi|zuHause> but at least the mono part does fail for the non-latin characters 18:09:36 <Ammler> planetmaker: now you are going to make grf with it? 18:09:56 <planetmaker> with what? A font? 18:10:05 <Ammler> with FreeSerif 18:10:17 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: you need a way to get this font to all people... 18:10:26 <planetmaker> Yes, I know 18:10:47 <Eddi|zuHause> and also, you have to check how it behaves with small font... 18:10:48 <VVG> aren't there some free unicode fonts suitable for distributing with ottd? 18:10:57 <planetmaker> The font file "FreeSerif" was 1.5MB 18:11:08 <planetmaker> it's a ttf, so it should scale 18:11:17 <Eddi|zuHause> that sounds very small for a font... 18:11:55 <Lakie> Yeah, the japanese all kanji one MS ships is around 9mb ttf... 18:12:38 <Lakie> But probably has some surpluss in in that) 18:14:01 <Ammler> and grf would be bigger? 18:14:20 <planetmaker> I've no idea how to go for a font newgrf 18:14:29 <Ammler> check opengfx extra :-) 18:14:37 <planetmaker> hehe :-) 18:14:51 <Ammler> and tyconnez has one 18:15:03 <Ammler> but that doesn't work with belarusian 18:15:46 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think it's feasible to do arabic with sprite fonts... 18:16:09 <Eddi|zuHause> they do very fancy stuff with interconnecting the letters 18:16:10 <planetmaker> it probably is. But a pain 18:16:44 <Eddi|zuHause> in my fonts directory, the biggest font is "arialuni.ttf" with 24MB 18:16:53 <dihedral> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1893863&l=8544321b39&id=1137735502 :-( 18:16:57 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:17:44 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, not possible with ttf fonts, in openttd, then 18:17:56 <peter1138> we draw each letter individually 18:18:13 <VVG> looks like i managed to make date cheat to work properly with virtual time and also fallback 24h on max_year+1 18:18:16 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: exactly. 18:18:17 <peter1138> basically making up a sprite font as it goes 18:18:35 <Lakie> Does that cause issues for possible combines? 18:19:08 <VVG> Is there a console cmd to set date? 18:19:09 <peter1138> no language file uses anything like that, so... 18:19:26 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:19:31 <Eddi|zuHause> VVG: why would there be? 18:20:19 * peter1138 runs time make on his laptop 18:20:26 <peter1138> 1.6 GHz P4 power 18:21:00 <peter1138> fan's at full speed... noisy bugger 18:21:14 <Ammler> VVG: set date sounds "cheatish" 18:21:24 <VVG> Eddi|zuHause for example, to omit a bunch of clicks using date cheat 18:22:18 <VVG> okay 18:22:34 <VVG> what might go wrong, if v->date_of_last_service is something like -3 years? 18:22:49 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 18:28:29 <peter1138> up to rail_cmd... :s 18:29:04 <planetmaker> hm. OpenTTD does not like truetype? 18:29:16 *** lasershock [lasershock@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 18:29:23 <peter1138> planetmaker? 18:29:35 <VVG> peter1138: is that "a lot of things"? 18:29:50 <peter1138> VVG, i was talking to myself :) 18:30:08 <planetmaker> "Unable to use 'unifont' for medium font, FreeType reported error 0x1, using sprite font instead" 18:30:15 <VVG> nvm then ;) 18:31:17 <planetmaker> hm... for an installed font I don't have to give a path, right? 18:31:27 <peter1138> error 0x1 18:31:28 <peter1138> nice :D 18:31:48 <planetmaker> hm? 18:31:52 <peter1138> freetype errors 18:35:42 <dihedral> VVG, test it!! 18:37:09 <VVG> http://pastebin.com/7BPuPNwz 18:37:25 <peter1138> oh, it finished 18:37:44 <dihedral> VVG, aint gonna look at the patch ;-) 18:37:45 <peter1138> 12 minutes 43 :s 18:37:48 <VVG> Can someone take a look and say if it all looks ok? It compiles and runs and even looks like it does its job :) 18:38:23 <dihedral> VVG: it's up to the person who writes the patch, to test it, and make sure that things it has an influence on function correctly 18:40:54 <VVG> well, date cheat skips time properly, at max year it loops too 18:41:19 <dihedral> i have no idea what you are trying to do 18:42:50 <Eddi|zuHause> is that my line or the page that is extremely slow? 18:43:02 <Eddi|zuHause> might want to use a more lightweight paste service 18:43:22 <VVG> looks fast enough for me 18:43:44 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, for people with a 100mbit line, everything looks fast... 18:44:01 <dihedral> 2Mbit/s here :-P 18:44:13 <VVG> 4 here 18:44:33 <Terkhen> 1 :/ 18:44:45 <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause, dial up? 18:44:46 <dihedral> :-P 18:45:07 <Eddi|zuHause> dihedral: feels like it, at least... 18:45:34 <dihedral> :-P 18:47:28 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, it's less than yours... 18:49:38 <Ammler> more than mine :-P 18:49:52 <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause, not at uni currently? 18:50:05 <Ammler> no, he is zuHause 18:50:50 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: even with 100mbit stuff is slow 18:50:52 <Eddi|zuHause> dihedral: why would i be at uni during semester break? 18:50:56 <Rubidium> like windowsupdate 18:51:15 <Rubidium> never got that above 1MiB/s 18:51:30 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: WT3 has fucked up itself again 18:51:42 <TrueBrain> stom van hem 18:51:48 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: in this case Slovak 18:52:01 <TrueBrain> will look at it tomorrow 18:53:33 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:54:21 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:56:21 <TrueBrain> is it morning already? 18:56:22 <TrueBrain> good 18:56:24 <TrueBrain> fixed 18:57:00 <planetmaker> :-) 18:57:30 <frosch123> microsleep is dangerious 18:57:53 <Alberth> frightening how fast a day goes here 18:58:18 <planetmaker> Alberth: you're just moving too fast... what is a second for you, is a day for him ;-) 18:58:37 <planetmaker> hm... or vice versa 18:58:42 <planetmaker> relative anyway 19:02:14 <Alberth> 'relatively'... hmm, didn't a scientist had a theory about that? :p 19:03:45 <lordaro> i am reminded of 'Hammy' (is that right?) in Over The Hedge.... :) 19:07:20 <Eddi|zuHause> i didn't watch that... 19:07:36 <Eddi|zuHause> always sounded like a madagascar-ripoff to me ;) 19:09:40 *** enr1x [~kiike@118.224.21.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 19:11:03 *** Guest184 is now known as Sacro 19:14:27 <lordaro> here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sGlETQIMUo sorry about low quality, its the best i could find 19:19:14 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-219-204.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:20:52 <VVG> hm, english.txt uses plane spaces instead of tabs? 19:21:04 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-247-212.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 19:21:08 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 19:21:13 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:21:20 <Eddi|zuHause> VVG: use tabs only ever at the beginning of the line 19:21:37 <Eddi|zuHause> it's in the code style 19:21:39 <Alberth> otherwise you never get a nicely straight line of ":" 19:23:25 <Eddi|zuHause> very off topic: http://www.jahrhundertlÃŒge.de/images/stories/buch/JLv6.pdf [german] 19:25:18 <VVG> got it 19:35:13 *** enr1x [~kiike@118.224.21.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:38:57 <Rubidium> does anyone know a strace equivalent for Windows that isn't StraceNT? Basically one that works with Windows 7? 19:50:05 <avdg> :) now I see how many people <3 openttd (looks at tweakers.net (dutch only)) 19:52:34 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 19:53:43 <VVG> and how many is that? For us non dutch people? 19:54:22 <avdg> a lot :p 19:56:53 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: reads quite socialistic 19:56:54 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 19:57:28 <andythenorth> evening 19:57:56 <frosch123> hihi andy 20:00:28 *** lordaro [~the_overl@host86-136-94-13.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has left #openttd [] 20:03:42 *** Beklugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 20:03:56 <dihedral> Rubidium, is there nothing in cygwin? i guess not, eh? 20:04:01 * andythenorth reads some mb posts in NARS thread 20:04:25 * andythenorth considers childish replu 20:04:28 <andythenorth> reply /s 20:04:58 * planetmaker gives a cookie to andythenorth 20:05:21 * andythenorth succumbs 20:05:24 * planetmaker also adds a cold beer 20:05:34 <SmatZ> beer ! :) 20:05:46 <dihedral> that's what i was thinking 20:05:49 <andythenorth> but is that a realistic number of beers? 20:05:54 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:06:07 <andythenorth> ^ belugas went for beer too 20:06:13 <SmatZ> :) 20:06:44 <planetmaker> :-) 20:06:48 <planetmaker> amazing 20:07:17 <andythenorth> my new sandpit isn't universally liked :( 20:07:33 <Beklugas> if only... 20:07:39 <Beklugas> ho fuck... 20:07:53 *** Beklugas is now known as Belugas 20:09:19 <Belugas> andythenorth, don't bother about those who don't like your wrk. there are always some who can't appreciate anything 20:09:28 <Belugas> yu like it? cool. leave it as such 20:09:35 *** yorick [yorick@ipv6.shellium.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:09:39 <andythenorth> I just saw this guy talk...http://integral-options.blogspot.com/2010/06/multiple-reviews-of-nicholas-carrs.html 20:09:40 <Belugas> unless it's really crap 20:10:11 <andythenorth> I'd explain more of what he said, but I need to go and skim read some more stuff :P 20:12:46 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: i am more opposed to the gravel pit... 20:12:57 <andythenorth> por quoi? 20:13:01 <Eddi|zuHause> pikka's approach to that looks much better 20:13:31 <Eddi|zuHause> the whole concept that gravel is taken from a lake... 20:13:45 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: I should google some stuff for you :P 20:13:58 <Eddi|zuHause> in my understanding, gravel is broken stone, while sand is washed stone 20:14:13 <andythenorth> I could do a quarry, but to make it slope aware, I need to draw and code 16 * 8 tiles to get a basic layout 20:14:27 <andythenorth> I might get to that, but this recolor is somewhat....quicker :) 20:15:02 <Eddi|zuHause> it just feels wrong whenever i see it... 20:15:07 *** yorick [yorick@2001:470:8:257::2] has joined #openttd 20:15:16 <andythenorth> wait till the clay pit is also in the nightly, then it will be worse :P 20:15:30 <andythenorth> same sprites, different colour :) 20:17:23 <Eddi|zuHause> MB has his very own opinion about clay... 20:17:46 <planetmaker> is there something he does *not* have his own? 20:18:13 <Eddi|zuHause> it basically goes like: "clay was never transported anywhere. the brick works was built at the source of the clay" 20:18:54 <andythenorth> he's kind of right 20:18:59 <andythenorth> what transported it? 20:19:07 <andythenorth> (to the brickworks) 20:19:09 <frosch123> heqs 20:19:19 <andythenorth> case closed :P 20:19:36 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-16-114-12.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 20:19:50 <andythenorth> my clay pit also produces china clay :) 20:19:52 <Terkhen> :) 20:19:55 <andythenorth> goes to paper mills 20:20:09 <planetmaker> :-) 20:20:14 <planetmaker> is there a pottery? 20:20:22 <andythenorth> might be 20:20:26 <planetmaker> :-) 20:20:26 <andythenorth> more likely a brick works 20:20:41 <planetmaker> hm... municipal construction yard comes again... 20:20:45 <andythenorth> indeed 20:20:50 <planetmaker> should be in ttrs4 20:20:52 <planetmaker> :-D 20:20:54 <andythenorth> it probably will end up in FIRS somehow 20:22:07 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: some day I have to face up to drawing an iron ore mine. If I do that as open pit mine (not deep mine), then I can recolor for a better gravel quarry 20:23:04 *** Chillosophy [~fu@82-170-139-109.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 20:30:27 *** stagger [~stagger@nat-gw.grenaas.net] has joined #openttd 20:30:58 <stagger> hey guys 20:31:09 *** DeeDee [~chatzilla@HSI-KBW-078-042-157-252.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #openttd 20:31:56 <stagger> is it just me or is the download links for latest stable broken? 20:32:31 <Rubidium> could you be a bit more specific? 20:32:47 <Rubidium> as it works for me 20:32:59 <stagger> using the download libnks on openttd.com i get a 'Not Found' error 20:33:13 <Belugas> download 1.0.3 works 20:33:31 <Rubidium> stagger: what URL do you have when you get the not found error? 20:33:35 <Belugas> download trunk works 20:33:36 <stagger> strange .. 20:33:40 <stagger> http://ftp.snt.utwente.nl/pub/games/openttd/binaries/releases/1.0.3/openttd-1.0.3-windows-win32.exe 20:33:45 <Eddi|zuHause> might be a mirror acting up 20:33:55 <Rubidium> that works fine for me 20:34:00 <Belugas> download 1.0.4 rc1 works 20:34:19 <Belugas> works for me too 20:34:20 <stagger> i tried nightly and others too, didnt work either ... but i guess it IS just me 20:34:34 <Rubidium> maybe some firewall blocking stuff? 20:34:34 <Eddi|zuHause> that link works for me as well 20:34:35 <Belugas> i'd be tempted to say the same thing 20:34:49 <Rubidium> like executables (stuff ending with .exe) 20:35:13 <stagger> doubt it, not a problem usually 20:35:22 <stagger> but i'll try and figure it out ... 20:35:43 <Eddi|zuHause> stagger: after reading the responses here, it points towards a local issue 20:35:48 <stagger> just wanted to let you know, in case that it wasnt just me ;) 20:35:56 <planetmaker> did I ever mention that I find the invention and implementation of action14 a great idea? Well, it is! :-) 20:37:38 <frosch123> it also creates quite somy myths :p 20:37:45 <Eddi|zuHause> VVG: "3. When reaching max year time will fall back 24h instead of 1 year if timetable unit is HHMM or HHMMSS." <-- that sounds horribly wrong w.r.t. multiplayer 20:37:55 <frosch123> now it is even said, old ttdp would crash on it 20:38:17 <Eddi|zuHause> VVG: virtual time should be a purely client side setting, as such it may not ever affect gameplay 20:39:01 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:45:47 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:45:48 <andythenorth> brr 20:46:42 <andythenorth> what exactly is 'half-baked' about engine pool 20:46:51 * andythenorth doesn't understand, and should do better things 20:47:08 <frosch123> everything else is better :) 20:47:37 <andythenorth> "for some definitions of 'everything'" 20:47:54 <planetmaker> :-D 20:48:20 <VVG> Eddi|zuHause: multiplayer side of the game totally escaped my mind when i was doing the max year thingie :( 20:48:22 <planetmaker> I think it became irational at some point 20:49:25 <planetmaker> frosch123: but it is my understanding wrong, that ttdp crashes on action14? Or do I mix up something there? 20:50:26 <VVG> hm, w.r.t. is an abbreviation of with respect to? 20:50:34 *** stagger1 [~stagger@nat-gw.grenaas.net] has joined #openttd 20:50:37 <Eddi|zuHause> with regards to 20:50:52 <andythenorth> or with respect to 20:50:58 <andythenorth> about the same in meaning 20:51:19 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not a native speaker... that's what i learned... 20:51:32 <VVG> a few years after i saw it first time i finally managed to decode it. Accidentaly. 20:53:11 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:53:57 <stagger1> could one of you try and give me a link to a different mirror? 20:54:15 <frosch123> planetmaker: it just disabled the grf 20:54:30 <planetmaker> oh 20:55:52 <frosch123> ttdp checks two things during the first loading phase: 1st that the grf only contains actions it knows, and 2nd that only certain actions appear before the action8 20:56:11 <frosch123> both checks fail for action14 before they learnt it 20:57:01 *** stagger [~stagger@nat-gw.grenaas.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:58:58 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:58:58 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 21:01:19 <Wolf01> 'night 21:01:28 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host176-238-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:03:19 <frosch123> night 21:03:23 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f52f4.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:03:32 * andythenorth ponders bed 21:03:34 <andythenorth> good night 21:03:57 <planetmaker> g'night andythenorth 21:05:23 *** stagger1 [~stagger@nat-gw.grenaas.net] has left #openttd [] 21:07:49 *** De_Ghosty [~s@75-119-229-111.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:10:42 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:21:12 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:24:39 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:26:19 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tlubrasgw1-fe86de00-246.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 21:32:19 *** lewymati [~lewymati@89.230.159.206] has joined #openttd 21:35:18 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 21:35:19 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:35:21 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 21:38:38 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:42:47 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 21:42:47 *** Biolunar [Mahdi@blfd-4db0fdc4.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:47:26 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B749C2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:47:57 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B749C2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:54:01 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:54:01 *** DeeDee [~chatzilla@HSI-KBW-078-042-157-252.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:54:55 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has joined #openttd 22:05:19 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 22:08:31 <Terkhen> good night 22:20:25 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has quit [Quit: Good bye] 22:24:19 <SmatZ> good night, Terkhen 22:29:39 *** lewymati [~lewymati@89.230.159.206] has quit [] 22:44:56 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:01:26 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:02:47 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has left #openttd [] 23:05:01 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 23:11:23 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:22:20 *** TomyLobo [~foo@port-212-202-171-176.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: A key, command, or action that tells the system to return to a previous state or stop a process.] 23:25:01 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-74.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:25:28 *** Progman [~progman@p57A198DF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:31:53 *** asnoehu [~thok@82.75.115.73] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:34:36 *** asnoehu [~thok@82.75.115.73] has joined #openttd 23:46:11 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.88.193] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 23:53:40 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-72-61.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]