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00:01:26 <Nite_Owl> I guess all of the developers have gone to sleep. I keep forgetting the time difference. 00:02:31 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:02:41 *** Osai [~Osai@vs185047.vserver.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:04:48 *** V453000 [~V453000@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:04:48 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:05:23 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@vs185047.vserver.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:05:28 *** tneo [~tneo@vs185047.vserver.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:05:30 <ccfreak2k> Heh, building trees. 00:05:33 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:05:45 *** planetmaker [~pm@vs185047.vserver.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:05:48 *** SmatZ [~SmatZ@vs185047.vserver.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:05:51 *** Ammler [~ammler@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:11:15 *** tneo [~tneo@vs185047.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 00:12:15 *** planetmaker [~pm@vs185047.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 00:12:22 *** planetmaker is now known as Guest839 00:12:27 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 00:12:45 *** Osai [~Osai@vs185047.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 00:12:58 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 00:13:25 *** SmatZ [~SmatZ@vs185047.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 00:13:45 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8A7D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:13:52 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.88.193] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 00:14:17 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@vs185047.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 00:14:59 *** V453000 [~V453000@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 00:15:38 *** Sacro [~ben@cpc2-mfld9-0-0-cust880.13-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:15:57 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 00:16:01 *** Ammler [~ammler@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 00:27:06 *** DDR_ [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:27:58 <Nite_Owl> I will try again tomorrow when hopefully people are awake - unless they read the log and find it before hand. Later all. 00:28:10 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 00:33:38 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:35:48 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:37:46 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 00:37:46 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:37:50 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 00:41:50 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 00:44:18 *** wollollo [~martin@host86-175-29-209.wlms-broadband.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:44:48 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-74.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:47:53 *** snorre [~snorre@c692BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:35:10 <VVG> yay, finished cleaning up the code. not very interesting task, had to do it in small steps 01:41:47 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 01:47:38 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 01:52:18 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:55:43 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-16-114-12.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:59:55 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 01:59:55 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:59:58 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 02:07:04 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:e5a3:a43e:770a:f9d5] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:26:28 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 02:47:39 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 02:55:15 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:18:59 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d874.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 03:26:18 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c1a9.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:45:13 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:53:30 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.192.74] has joined #openttd 03:59:43 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.209.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:01:56 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 04:01:56 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:02:00 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 04:09:40 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 04:28:09 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 04:32:50 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d874.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:51:20 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.40.150] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:54:57 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B74230.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:56:37 <Terkhen> good morning 04:58:49 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B73CC4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:01:21 *** Goulpy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 05:08:36 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:23:58 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 05:23:58 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:24:01 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 05:30:07 *** trebuchet [~Trebuchet@69.51.104.87] has joined #openttd 05:34:04 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 05:38:32 *** Guest839 is now known as planetmaker 05:39:32 <planetmaker> good morning 06:10:48 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0b25f4.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:30:38 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:36:48 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:38:26 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 06:45:40 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:48:46 <dihedral> good morning 06:49:10 * dihedral thought orudge was going to send me some templates :-P 06:50:21 *** Goulpy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has quit [Quit: PACKET_CLIENT_QUIT] 06:50:32 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 07:01:29 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 07:04:02 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 07:08:26 *** TomyLobo [~foo@port-212-202-171-176.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 07:09:53 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@153-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 07:10:01 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:10:01 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 07:10:37 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@153-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [] 07:31:09 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 07:39:33 *** Netsplit over, joins: Markk, Noldo, Lachie 07:39:33 *** Netsplit reticulum.oftc.net <-> kilo.oftc.net quits: welterde, TrueBrain 07:39:49 *** Netsplit over, joins: TrueBrain 07:40:10 *** Netsplit over, joins: welterde 07:41:00 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1996D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:41:53 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tlubrasgw1-fe86de00-246.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 07:56:39 <planetmaker> hm... only two or three nightly servers and 5 testing 07:57:03 <planetmaker> :-( 07:59:18 <dihedral> what you trying to say? 07:59:23 <dihedral> you want more? 08:01:26 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:05:32 <planetmaker> I advocate that the last servers newer thatn 1.0.3 close down, too 08:06:39 <Rubidium> really? 08:06:58 <Rubidium> that'll definitely not improve the (network) stability of 1.1.0 08:09:03 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:09:35 <dihedral> planetmaker, close down or are not displayed on the "first page" of server listings 08:09:40 <dihedral> Rubidium, what do you need? 08:09:56 <dihedral> tests? 08:11:15 <dihedral> Rubidium, a 'wwottdgd' with a clean trunk/rc/stable release? :-P 08:13:19 <Rubidium> dihedral: as per planetmaker's wishes trunk and/or RCs shouldn't be started (or otherwise should be closed down), so that leaves the stable release... and testing 1.1.0 is too late to get fixes into 1.1.0 08:13:56 <dihedral> that for sure is true 08:15:23 <dihedral> but is there something we could do, in order to help with testing (pre) 1.1.0 <whatever> 08:15:39 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:16:09 <dihedral> other than being totally nasty and making use of known issues with older version and making them shutdown :-P 08:17:51 <Rubidium> dihedral: you can't do tests if you follow planetmaker's wishes 08:18:02 <planetmaker> :-D 08:18:33 <planetmaker> dihedral, just look at the server listing 08:18:57 <planetmaker> It has zillions of 1.0.3 (fine). the two coop server, one with a hg revision. 5 RC-1 of 1.0.4 and then older stables 08:19:26 <planetmaker> that's... a huge step back wrt the exposure nightlies got a year ago or so 08:19:29 <dihedral> planetmaker, make use of known issues 08:19:33 <dihedral> i.e. make them crash 08:19:54 <planetmaker> :-P 08:19:58 * Rubidium thinks dihedral still hasn't gotten what planetmaker actually wrote 08:20:27 * dihedral thinks Rubidium only got what planetmaker wrote and not what he meant :-P 08:21:05 * planetmaker thinks you both split hairs. Just one blonde ones, the other dark ones 08:21:27 <dihedral> "ob schwarz, rot oder braun, pm liebt nur blonde fraun" :-D 08:21:38 <planetmaker> hm... definitely not true. 08:22:16 <Rubidium> dihedral: he's talking about nightlies and RCs, that there are less than a while ago and that the "last" servers newer than 1.0.3 should close down as well. It's pretty clear that he could only mean those 8 servers > 1.0.3 08:22:58 <Rubidium> otherwise he wouldn't said something like "the other servers older than 1.0.3 close down" 08:23:07 <Rubidium> s/n't/'ve/ 08:24:16 <planetmaker> :-P 08:25:28 <planetmaker> but maybe one should indeed visit those old servers :-P 08:25:41 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:25:54 <dihedral> "visit"? 08:26:01 <planetmaker> "visit". 08:26:08 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 08:26:17 <planetmaker> I won't do knowingly sabotage any server ;-) 08:26:24 <planetmaker> I just want to play... 08:26:45 *** keoz [~keikoz@141.2.96.19] has joined #openttd 08:26:45 <planetmaker> :-) 08:27:59 <planetmaker> http://dejure.org/gesetze/StGB/303b.html <-- dihedral ;-) 08:28:56 *** Westie [~westie@starfish.typefish.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:30:09 <planetmaker> but if we close down the newer servers, too, we can declare OpenTTD "done" and that's it. Nice, new world. 08:30:16 <planetmaker> Only it would be boring. Hm... 08:30:31 <dihedral> start a new project :-P 08:30:37 <planetmaker> OpenTTD v2? 08:30:52 <dihedral> "Wer eine Datenverarbeitung, die fÌr einen anderen von wesentlicher Bedeutung ist, dadurch erheblich stört, dass er" <- that already fails 08:31:07 <dihedral> "von wesentlicher Bedeutung" would not apply in this case :-P 08:31:09 <planetmaker> how do you knlw? 08:31:19 <planetmaker> *know 08:32:20 <Rubidium> maybe OpenTTD is used as "spy tool", in which case it could influence the security of the Bundesrepublik 08:32:20 <dihedral> because neither the service was / is used, nor updated, nor maintained 08:32:50 <dihedral> and a not used / maintained service cannot be "von wesentlicher Bedeutung" 08:32:54 <dihedral> no court would go with that 08:33:10 <dihedral> further more, i am not influencing DATA 08:33:40 <Rubidium> dihedral: what proof do you have they're not maintained/updated? 08:34:06 <dihedral> min players level + game seed :-P 08:34:16 <dihedral> + date in game 08:34:21 <dihedral> *cough* 08:34:47 <Rubidium> doesn't proof it isn't used 08:35:01 <dihedral> besides, if they were maintained, you'd see them back online very quickly, unless someone is using a monitor to do that for them, then you'd see the same result 08:35:04 <Rubidium> maybe it isn't used as actual server, but... maybe it's that "spy tool" 08:35:21 <planetmaker> dihedral, I'm quite sure you could successfully sued if one can prove that you crashed a server on purpose 08:35:47 <dihedral> which is a very small chance 'if' 08:35:56 <dihedral> for one thing 08:36:13 <planetmaker> that maybe as it is. Doesn't make it legal ;-) 08:36:28 <dihedral> never said it was legal 08:36:34 <dihedral> just said no court would go for it :-P 08:36:35 <planetmaker> be right and receive justice are two different things ;-) 08:36:41 <dihedral> yep 08:37:06 <dihedral> being in the right and receiving injustice happens too 08:37:11 <planetmaker> sure 08:37:45 <dihedral> i could use an exploit and then file charges against myself :-P 08:40:01 * SmatZ imagines someone going to police "someone with IP 123.42.56.98 killed my OpenTTD game server, find him!" and the policemen actuall caring about that 08:40:26 <dihedral> :-P 08:40:55 <dihedral> for one thing they first need to prove i killed the game on purpose 08:41:20 <SmatZ> I think police wouldn't waste resources on that 08:42:02 <SmatZ> was there money loss caused by that? no? ... hahah :p 08:42:16 <planetmaker> :-) 08:42:27 <dihedral> if it was a WoW server, that might be different :-P 08:42:39 <SmatZ> true :) 08:42:46 <dihedral> but then the "person" filing charges would have cash too 08:42:50 <planetmaker> specially crafted clients ... 08:43:16 <SmatZ> :) 08:43:22 <dihedral> who's talking of specially crafted clients? :-P 08:55:55 <dihedral> planetmaker, write a forums thread :-P 08:56:08 <dihedral> asking server admins of old versions to update / stop their server :-P 08:59:22 <planetmaker> pfft 09:12:13 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 09:14:48 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 09:28:02 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:30:02 <TomyLobo> autorenew should be done before the train is started, not after it's stopped 09:30:14 <TomyLobo> it keeps replacing trains i'm about to sell 09:34:13 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:34:13 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 09:35:34 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 09:35:35 <SmatZ> TomyLobo: you sell them for the full price anyway 09:38:01 <Nite_Owl> The planting of trees is broken in r20757 but does work in r20750. 09:38:01 <Terkhen> how is it broken? 09:38:01 <Nite_Owl> You cannot plant them at all. 09:38:36 <planetmaker> Nite_Owl, works for me? 09:38:57 <planetmaker> r20758 09:39:18 <SmatZ> Nite_Owl: maybe you have invisible trees? ctrl+shift+2? 09:39:52 <Nite_Owl> nope - not invisible - let me double check 09:39:53 <Terkhen> works for me too 09:40:44 <Terkhen> does it give some kind of error when you try? 09:40:52 <SmatZ> for me too, however it seems there is one change - when you overbuild tile with 4 trees, you get 1 trees again 09:41:08 <SmatZ> -s 09:41:24 <Nite_Owl> no error message - give me a moment 09:42:52 <SmatZ> Nite_Owl: can be caused by r20753 09:43:17 <Nite_Owl> Very odd - it is not letting me plant trees at all 09:43:40 <SmatZ> Nite_Owl: what compiler do you use? 09:44:05 <Nite_Owl> download the nightly 09:44:24 <SmatZ> win32? 09:44:35 <Nite_Owl> 64 09:46:24 * Terkhen tests it 09:46:27 <Nite_Owl> previous day's nightly - r20750 - works perfectly 09:48:51 <SmatZ> [11:40:52] <SmatZ> for me too, however it seems there is one change - when you overbuild tile with 4 trees, you get 1 trees again <== and I can't reproduce taht anymore 09:49:04 <Terkhen> Nite_Owl: I can plant trees with openttd-trunk-r20757-windows-win64 09:49:28 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:49:31 <Nite_Owl> Just had a thought - give me another moment 09:49:38 <Terkhen> SmatZ: I can't either, maybe it does not happen with all kinds of tiles 09:49:53 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:50:30 <Rubidium> so ask for his savegame 09:50:41 <SmatZ> Nite_Owl: can you build stations? convert rail? terraform large areas? demolish area? anything, where you need to select some tile area? 09:50:54 <Rubidium> won't work when he thinks you just want to steal his savegame instead of actually helping him 09:51:00 <SmatZ> hehe 09:51:04 <Nite_Owl> I will check 09:51:24 <Rubidium> after all, he might not see why the savegame might be important for figuring out which setting(s) cause the problem 09:51:43 <SmatZ> :) 09:52:34 <Nite_Owl> Found it 09:52:34 *** lolman [~lolman@188-220-38-226.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:53:13 <Terkhen> found what? 09:53:23 <Nite_Owl> if you have the "left click scrolling" enabled in the advanced settings then you cannot build anything 09:53:45 * SmatZ is going to fix it 09:53:46 <Nite_Owl> it was not that way in the past 09:53:55 <SmatZ> it shouldn't work that way 09:56:32 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 09:56:39 <Nite_Owl> I knew there had to be a reason and/or something had changed 09:56:45 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 09:58:09 <Nite_Owl> Rational thought works every time 09:58:23 *** lolman [~lolman@188-220-38-226.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:01:57 <TomyLobo> does openttd run on s60? 10:03:13 <Nite_Owl> I tried to tell someone about this last night but forgot about the time difference 10:05:47 <Nite_Owl> being that the sun will soon be up here I have to get to bed eventually 10:07:24 *** keoz [~keikoz@141.2.96.19] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:10:02 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:10:02 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:10:05 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 10:10:46 *** keoz [~keikoz@141.2.96.19] has joined #openttd 10:12:52 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.88.193] has joined #openttd 10:16:25 <Nite_Owl> As the sun slowly rises and light begins to filter through my window I will leave it in the more than capable hands of you developer type gentlemen - Good day and good luck - Read You Soon 10:16:59 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 10:18:18 *** keoz [~keikoz@141.2.96.19] has quit [Quit: keoz] 10:22:29 <dihedral> who wants a laugh? http://www.resellerspanel.com/dedicated-servers/ 10:26:16 <TomyLobo> that totally reminded me of transarctica 10:27:05 <Eddi|zuHause> that was a weird game... 10:27:16 <TomyLobo> (aka. arctic baron) 10:27:32 <Eddi|zuHause> it came with no manual, but it had copy protection asking for words from the manual 10:27:35 <Eddi|zuHause> ... in french 10:27:53 <TomyLobo> yeah, mine came without a manual too *whistle* 10:28:15 <Eddi|zuHause> well, it was actually a _legal_ version... 10:28:52 <SmatZ> :)) 10:30:23 <TomyLobo> i never had legal problems with mine either 10:30:25 <Eddi|zuHause> dihedral: i hope they mean "zimbabwe dollars" there... 10:33:46 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF873D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:34:10 <TomyLobo> you should ask to borrow their time machine 10:34:28 <TomyLobo> or their dope 10:47:34 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe they're mike meyers and ask for "one trillion dollars", or they invoke their "death star" :p 10:47:41 <Eddi|zuHause> [austin powers] 10:51:15 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:55:27 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-74.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 10:58:04 *** wollollo [~martin@host86-175-29-209.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #openttd 11:01:08 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r20759 /trunk/src/ (viewport.cpp window.cpp): -Fix (r20753): it wasn't possible to build anything when left button scrolling was active 11:03:25 *** thvdburgt [~thvdburgt@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 11:03:59 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r20760 /trunk/src/ (viewport.cpp viewport_func.h): -Cleanup (r20753): remove unused CheckMouseOverVehicle() 11:05:34 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r20761 /trunk/src/ (viewport.cpp viewport_func.h): -Codechange: make PlaceObject() static 11:11:48 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:12:12 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:17:08 *** wollollo [~martin@host86-175-29-209.wlms-broadband.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:17:35 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 11:18:42 *** __ln__ [~lanurm@linux.utu.fi] has joined #openttd 11:18:54 <TomyLobo> SmatZ class-static or namespace-static? :) 11:22:22 <SmatZ> TomyLobo: compilation-unit-static :p 11:25:07 <TomyLobo> that is namespace-static :) 11:27:02 <TomyLobo> i'd love trains that work like boats 11:27:25 <TomyLobo> i.e. you can cram as many as you want down a single line 11:28:08 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a trivial code change ;) 11:28:21 <TomyLobo> and it's not just going to make them crash? :) 11:29:21 <Eddi|zuHause> that's exactly the place to change... the crash handler 11:29:41 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d874.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:29:49 <TomyLobo> and the signalling too eh? 11:31:09 <Eddi|zuHause> you can live without that, if you force proceed the trains out of the depot 11:31:24 <TomyLobo> and remove all signals ^^ 11:32:03 <TomyLobo> atm i'd be happy if i could make my trains share a platform 11:35:23 <planetmaker> build a normal track tile between 11:38:20 *** avdg [~Adium@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 11:39:52 <Terkhen> use ships for everything instead :P 11:39:55 <TomyLobo> i mean full length trains 11:40:40 * avdg hates fake mail on mailinglists -_- 11:40:52 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:d90:60cf:1bf6:b4eb] has joined #openttd 11:40:53 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 11:40:53 <avdg> do you have a virus, download this -right- 11:41:23 * TomyLobo hates mailinglists 11:41:26 <TomyLobo> for that exact reason 11:45:40 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 11:48:57 <__ln__> bonjour 11:49:32 *** Mks [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has joined #openttd 11:54:56 *** Sacro [~ben@cpc2-mfld9-0-0-cust880.13-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 11:55:20 <TomyLobo> au revoir 12:05:46 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host176-238-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 12:06:00 <Wolf01> hello 12:09:38 <avdg> hi 12:12:33 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:12:39 <__ln__> ped xing 12:28:16 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 12:40:43 *** __ln-_ [~lauri@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 12:40:55 *** wollollo [~martin@host86-175-29-209.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #openttd 12:42:47 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:48:13 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:48:13 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 12:50:25 * avdg studies osx 12:55:18 *** __ln-_ is now known as ln 12:55:42 *** __ln__ [~lanurm@linux.utu.fi] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:55:48 *** ln is now known as __ln__ 12:59:33 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:08:31 *** keoz [~keikoz@141.2.96.19] has joined #openttd 13:08:37 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.40.150] has joined #openttd 13:09:45 <Belugas> hello 13:09:50 *** keoz [~keikoz@141.2.96.19] has quit [] 13:10:19 <fjb> Moin Belugas 13:10:40 <Belugas> hi fjb :) 13:11:12 * fjb has a job interview this evening. 13:11:35 <Belugas> hooo... 13:11:46 * Belugas wishes fjb a successfull evening! 13:12:09 <fjb> Thank you very much. I need more luck than anything else. 13:14:38 *** keoz [~keikoz@141.2.96.19] has joined #openttd 13:14:46 <Terkhen> good luck fjb :) 13:15:00 <fjb> Thank you. I need it. 13:15:35 <planetmaker> oh... hello :-) 13:15:43 <planetmaker> and I keep my thumbs crossed, fjb :-) 13:15:54 *** fjb is now known as Guest887 13:15:55 *** fjb [~frank@p5485BBF7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:23:08 *** Guest887 [~frank@p5485BCAD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:28:16 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:35:53 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:46:43 *** wollollo [~martin@host86-175-29-209.wlms-broadband.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:55:46 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-102-129.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:57:51 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-26-158.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 13:57:54 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 14:04:48 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:04:48 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:04:51 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 14:16:46 *** keoz [~keikoz@141.2.96.19] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:19:11 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 14:19:17 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:19:21 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 14:21:05 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 14:23:42 *** keoz [~keikoz@141.2.96.19] has joined #openttd 14:27:16 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:27:18 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF873D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:28:23 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 14:31:07 * fjb ist going to Wolfsburg, winks at planetmaker. 14:33:33 <Eddi|zuHause> a "wink" in english is something slightly different than "winken" in german ;) 14:35:53 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:40:06 *** Sacro [~ben@cpc2-mfld9-0-0-cust880.13-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:44:13 * planetmaker waves back at fjb 14:44:52 *** snorre [~snorre@c692BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 14:53:14 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fede4.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 14:58:24 *** keoz [~keikoz@141.2.96.19] has quit [Quit: keoz] 15:06:38 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:06:38 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:06:41 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 15:20:58 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 15:27:53 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-74.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:28:42 <Eddi|zuHause> ok... which idiot makes a multi-line editbox, and then limits the content to 100 characters? 15:28:42 <Eddi|zuHause> what the hell can you do with that kind of limited space? 15:28:42 <avdg> uuhh... 15:28:42 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 15:29:46 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: 100 empty lines? 15:31:05 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 15:31:30 <avdg> whats usefull about 100 empty lines :p 15:31:37 <__ln__> tweet 15:31:45 <Terkhen> they are easy to understand and learn 15:31:48 <avdg> thats spam :p 15:31:49 <planetmaker> you get a seemingly clean backlog 15:32:13 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: newline could be 2 characters ;) 15:32:57 <avdg> unicode bom and newline? 15:33:48 <Eddi|zuHause> avdg: unicode bom is only used by wordpad and utf16-texts. 15:34:10 <Eddi|zuHause> or notepad 15:34:18 <Eddi|zuHause> not sure which one 15:34:21 <avdg> or any bad code editor :p 15:34:26 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a stupid thing to do anyway 15:34:40 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:34:55 <Eddi|zuHause> other question, what's the quickest way to turn an image into a pdf? 15:35:14 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: get a CGA display, then they are sufficient for 2.5 lines 15:35:31 <frosch123> ghostscript 15:36:05 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:36:12 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: the pdf should only include that one image (or three images on three pages) 15:36:33 <frosch123> ghostscript 15:37:05 <frosch123> ghostscript can encode multiple files into one 15:37:20 <frosch123> it has input and output for several formats, including pdf and various image formats 15:37:44 <frosch123> you just have to understand its commandline syntax :p 15:39:09 <frosch123> otoh, google suggests to use imagemagick 15:39:23 <frosch123> convert *.png outputfile.pdf 15:48:39 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:48:39 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:48:42 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 15:49:57 <__ln__> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=975_1283799588 (gravity) 15:56:46 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-90f6e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 15:59:37 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.40.150] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:05:28 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-90f6e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:11:18 <VVG> hello 16:12:22 <avdg> hi 16:26:55 *** yorick [yorick@2002:4443:4c63::25] has joined #openttd 16:28:37 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 16:34:03 <avdg> Hmm⊠I am thinking about categorising the wiki 16:36:09 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:36:31 *** ABCRic [~This.is.A@5.1.103.87.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 16:37:19 <Rubidium> I'd categorise it as a mess :) 16:37:45 <avdg> for example the files 16:38:01 <avdg> its hard to tell if we have duplicates 16:41:50 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0b25f4.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 16:43:02 *** ABCRic [~This.is.A@5.1.103.87.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:44:56 *** ABCRic [~This.is.A@61.57.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 16:48:01 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:49:32 *** yorick [yorick@2002:4443:4c63::25] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:49:36 *** yorick [yorick@2002:4443:4c63::16] has joined #openttd 16:50:30 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:50:59 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 16:56:38 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:56:38 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 16:56:41 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has joined #openttd 17:02:26 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:03:45 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc2307.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:09:58 *** TheMask96 [martijn@pride.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:16:05 *** TheMask96 [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:19:09 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 17:25:28 <avdg> hmm.. trunk == buggy? 17:27:25 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-118-40.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:27:51 <avdg> I am just wondering if there are still commits left for improving the water code 17:28:44 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 17:32:07 <SmatZ> avdg: water code? 17:32:16 <avdg> yeah 17:32:40 <avdg> there is a bug if you build a hanger on a bouy 17:33:28 <avdg> want the report? 17:34:36 <VVG> I downloaded the cd.diff of cargodist for 20756, installed tortoisegit to apply it. It patches the files already present but doesn't seem to create new ones. I'm lost here, any advice? 17:36:13 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:36:21 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-118-40.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:37:45 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@153-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 17:39:19 <fonsinchen> VVG: Maybe that's probably because /dev/null doesn't exist on Windows. I guess TortoiseGit is just as stupid as TortoiseSvn ... 17:40:29 <Eddi|zuHause> avdg: reports always go to bugs.openttd.org, and you never need to ask if you should report something, only search the previously mentioned site for similar reports... 17:40:47 <avdg> hm yeah 17:40:53 <avdg> I'm holding them too long 17:40:58 *** George|2 [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 17:41:10 *** mucht_home [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 17:41:12 <Eddi|zuHause> VVG: don't use tortoise for patching, use command line patch 17:41:14 *** Yexo [~Yexo@153-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:41:14 *** George is now known as Guest906 17:41:14 *** George|2 is now known as George 17:41:29 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:41:54 *** Aali [~aali@h-90-31.A189.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:41:58 *** Aali [~aali@h-90-31.A189.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 17:44:33 <VVG> isn't tortoise is just a frontend for command line versions? 17:44:33 *** [hta]specx [~opera@ip94-126-210-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:44:53 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:45:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r20762 /trunk/src/lang/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 17:45:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: catalan - 2 changes by arnau 17:45:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: chuvash - 16 changes by mefisteron 17:45:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: ido - 8 changes by Edwardo 17:45:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: romanian - 2 changes by kkmic 17:45:54 <Eddi|zuHause> VVG: no, that's the problem... 17:45:57 <Terkhen> yeah, but usually it does not work very well 17:46:21 <avdg> k 17:46:24 <avdg> bug 4113 17:47:49 *** Guest906 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:50:13 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:54:14 <VVG> what command line patch tools are there avaible for windows? 17:57:41 <Eddi|zuHause> mingw/msys contains patch.exe 18:01:03 <VVG> what about standalone versions? i don't think i need mingw 18:01:57 <glx> gnuwin32 has one 18:02:34 <glx> mingw/msys one is \n only, gnuwin32 one understands \r\n 18:06:23 <VVG> hm, while tortoise failed, the msysgit toirtoise required, if used directly, did creat needed files 18:11:05 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:11:30 *** wollollo [~martin@host86-175-29-209.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #openttd 18:18:58 <TomyLobo> VVG you need a compiler too 18:19:10 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tlubrasgw1-fe86de00-246.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 18:19:56 <VVG> i know 18:22:35 <TomyLobo> VVG and no, tortoise is an end-to-end solution 18:22:45 <TomyLobo> tortoisesvn that is 18:23:08 <TomyLobo> tortoiseshit i mean git is different 18:29:42 <VVG> i don't quite follow you here 18:30:20 *** Chillosophy [~fu@82-170-139-109.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:32:16 *** CitroN [542c3040@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 18:33:35 <CitroN> Hello. Im a member of ClanMega and im playing OpenTTD over 2 year. I tried SimuTrans and i seen, OpenTTD could be a way funnyer with custom airports and underground rails-depots-stations. So if possible, can you add them? Seems like OpenTTD doesnt need anything more. Just needs that so rails should go underground too. and (not as needed as underground rails) 18:34:14 <dihedral> sure 18:34:18 <dihedral> i guess it will not take long 18:34:28 <dihedral> might be in trunk the day after tomorrow 18:34:38 <dihedral> might be the evening though 18:34:46 <dihedral> so not in the next nightly for about 3 days 18:34:47 <CitroN> i thought it would get over 2 months 18:34:53 <dihedral> nah! 18:34:58 <dihedral> where'd you get that from? 18:35:26 <dihedral> just needs some adding a few little tidd bits here and there 18:35:31 <CitroN> i seen that on simutrans 18:35:34 <dihedral> missuse the wormholes from the tunnels for underground 18:36:18 <CitroN> openttd needs that, electric rails will go in wormholes to underground rail system 18:36:49 <dihedral> why nobody else ever game up with that genious idea :-) 18:37:21 <CitroN> i hope you not kidding and you someone will add that 18:38:00 <dihedral> Rubidium, may i add that ^ to qdb? 18:38:47 <VVG> so evil 18:38:53 <CitroN> check simutrans with add-ons if you like, its fantastic! rails go underground, they take turns they stop at underground stations 18:39:19 <CitroN> and goes surface back 18:40:45 <dihedral> VVG - it is way nicer than flaming someone for not searching the forums 18:40:45 <CitroN> so its alrdy on forums? search engine sux :S 18:40:45 <dihedral> :-P 18:41:00 <dihedral> ho man - i so enjoyed that :-P 18:42:05 <CitroN> its what will make openttd best strategy transport game 18:42:20 <VVG> it already is :p 18:42:25 <CitroN> not so :S 18:42:55 <CitroN> theres alot of another games like that with good new ideas 18:43:16 <CitroN> best, but will be a way better with tis 18:46:17 * dihedral simply enjoys 18:46:25 <VVG> iirc, when i tried cargodist some loong time ago, it didn't maintained savemgame compatibily between versions very well. Is it safe in this respect now? 18:48:02 <CitroN> cargodist is fantastic! we using g7af9cfd7 version as clan 18:48:14 <dihedral> just lacks underground and such 18:48:15 <dihedral> :-D 18:48:20 <CitroN> it have cargodist infrashare 18:48:26 <CitroN> :D 18:48:41 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:49:16 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 18:50:46 *** wollollo [~martin@host86-175-29-209.wlms-broadband.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:51:01 <Ammler> CitroN: new is patch or is2? 18:51:32 <CitroN> ask yorick :P 18:51:35 <CitroN> im just playinf 18:52:13 <CitroN> its infrashare+cargodist (maybe cargodest) merged trunk 18:52:47 <CitroN> YORICK !?! U HERE? 18:53:04 <yorick> YES 18:53:24 * dihedral waves hi to yorick 18:53:42 <CitroN> you reading them? 18:53:49 * yorick waves dihedral to hi 18:54:13 <CitroN> how do i wave to hi someone xp ? 18:54:13 * yorick reads 18:54:55 <__ln__> CitroN: raise your hand and move it left and right 18:55:10 <yorick> dihedral: stop making fun of the noobs :P 18:55:59 <yorick> argh...stop using the g7af9cfd7 version please 18:56:08 <yorick> that's like 10 months old 18:57:23 <__ln__> yorick: was it you who was going go rewrite ottd in C#? 18:57:40 <CitroN> server usez g7af9cfd xp how to dont use it 18:57:40 <dihedral> no - i do not think it was yorick :-P 18:57:44 <yorick> __ln__: no, I was the who was going to go rewrite ottd in python 18:57:50 <dihedral> <yorick> dihedral: stop making fun of the noobs :P <- meee? what? 18:57:59 <__ln__> oh 18:58:09 <dihedral> :-P 18:58:13 <CitroN> who noob who makes fun whats fun ! 18:58:22 <yorick> dihedral: oh...sorry...I ment the other dihedral :-) 18:58:45 <Rubidium> dihedral: what makes you think I have something to say about that? 18:59:03 <CitroN> so underground rails possible? :D 18:59:40 <VVG> sure 19:00:45 <Rubidium> CitroN: possible: yes, going to happen any time soon: unlikely, unless *you* code it 19:00:47 <yorick> hmm...my keyboard stopped working 19:01:31 <dihedral> Rubidium, because it was kinda amusing - at least to me :-P 19:02:27 <Rubidium> so if something is amusing I have to say whether it's okay to do something with it? 19:02:32 <CitroN> so everyone suckin n sleeping in front of computer there? i can code that well 19:02:38 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-157-092.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:03:17 *** keoz [~keikoz@418pc.wohnheimg.uni-frankfurt.de] has joined #openttd 19:04:33 <planetmaker> <CitroN> so everyone suckin n sleeping in front of computer there? i can code that well <-- well... like two months and the patch is trunk-ready? ;-) 19:04:58 <yorick> CitroN: come on...you can code it 19:05:39 <CitroN> just dont know dat openttd 's codings :) 19:05:56 <CitroN> and i can do that in a year 19:06:29 <Terkhen> we'll be waiting for it :) 19:06:52 <CitroN> cmon guys someone can do that faster 19:06:55 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:08:36 <CitroN> not in openttd 1.0.5 or somthn. jst make trunk we can use in new clanmega version maybe, <yorick> we can? 19:09:02 <yorick> CitroN: stop using the clanmega version 19:09:39 <dihedral> this is totally ammusing 19:10:00 <Rubidium> CitroN: just use simutrans, after all it's much better 19:10:01 <yorick> agreed 19:10:19 <dihedral> ^^ 19:10:19 <yorick> CitroN is being CitroN 19:10:35 <Rubidium> and yes, I could probably implement the issue faster... but I'm not going to do it as I can't be bothered 19:10:54 <CitroN> <Yorick> im playing in madness server. server usez g7af9cfd7 19:11:06 <planetmaker> <CitroN> cmon guys someone can do that faster <-- probably. But there's obviously not someone who can do it faster who is as much interested in it as you 19:11:11 <yorick> CitroN: then complain to the server 19:11:31 <Rubidium> and yes... I was sucking my thumb and sleeping in front of my computer a while ago. It was very pleasant 19:11:36 <planetmaker> Things are developed because a person puts own time into something this person considers worthwhile 19:12:28 <CitroN> simutrans no more works on my machine *.* 19:13:00 <CitroN> i can put my months 19:13:25 <CitroN> but i newer coded openttd and dunno what it usez 19:13:56 <__ln__> newer ewer 19:15:19 <yorick> CitroN: how are these arguments for us to do it for you 19:15:36 <Rubidium> then file a bug report at simutrans' developers about that regression 19:16:13 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:16:13 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:16:17 <Rubidium> talking about how great, but not working, simutrans is in here doesn't magically fix something in simutrans 19:16:18 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 19:16:23 <dihedral> perhaps simutrans devs can code it into openttd? :-D 19:16:37 <Rubidium> and neither does talking in here magically make features magically appear in trunk 19:16:37 <CitroN> not just me and its my normal talk. i didnt want argue n make you do that like this 19:18:13 <CitroN> magicaly trunk ready; link www.gof...yourself.com/openttd/trunks/magically_ones/automatic_codings/underground_system.rar 19:18:29 <CitroN> :D 19:19:05 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:19:34 <yorick> I bet it's a trojan 19:19:41 <CitroN> its not a link 19:19:46 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1996D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:19:53 <yorick> I still bet it's a trojan 19:19:53 <dihedral> CitroN, if you are the one wanting something from the devs, i'd suggest not using nasty language 19:20:24 <CitroN> its not nasty for meh, and then ill try not to be 19:20:28 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r20763 /trunk/src/water_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#4113](r20749): The bridgetest on building shipdepots can no longer rely on being only called for clear water tiles. 19:22:39 <CitroN> any Dev s here? i have a idea! rails goin underground from wormholes and take turns and stops at staions like how is it on surface! 19:22:49 <CitroN> ok now i think 19:23:17 <dihedral> go back to clanmega, play simutrans and other games you like 19:23:42 <yorick> dihedral: don't send him to us, we don't want him :P 19:24:12 <dihedral> what did you do? send him here? 19:24:15 <dihedral> what a poor soul 19:24:15 <planetmaker> you both are quite nasty ;-) 19:24:22 <dihedral> well - then there's still Luukland :-D 19:24:33 <yorick> dihedral: well I sent PeterT here and now he's just fine :P 19:24:34 <CitroN> na he s.. :D 19:24:35 <planetmaker> CitroN, You sure had devs read that 19:24:48 <dihedral> and reply :-P 19:24:55 <dihedral> planetmaker, you volunteering? :-D 19:25:15 <planetmaker> But that doesn't change the fact that only people who are interested in a feature will work on it 19:25:25 <planetmaker> I'm definitely not volunteering 19:25:37 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has joined #openttd 19:25:44 <planetmaker> There are many more places which I'd rather attack, if I had MUCH more time 19:25:47 <yorick> I know someone who could do it! CitroN! 19:26:08 *** thvdburgt [~thvdburgt@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:26:12 <dihedral> planetmaker, i meant volunteering to 'accomodate' mr brains here 19:26:13 *** thvdburgt [~thvdburgt@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 19:27:15 <planetmaker> nope :-P 19:27:27 <planetmaker> but there's like 'don't feed...' ;-) 19:27:48 <planetmaker> but he's no troll. He just doesn't know what he's asking for 19:28:09 * yorick was typing "he's just stupid" 19:28:46 <planetmaker> ignorant maybe. Stupid I don't know nor care to claim 19:29:38 <CitroN> not good idea? who like that? 19:30:08 <planetmaker> CitroN, it's not about 'good idea' or 'bad idea' 19:30:09 <frosch123> CitroN: devs are ignorant fools, who never do what other suggest 19:30:21 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc2307.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:30:22 *** keoz [~keikoz@418pc.wohnheimg.uni-frankfurt.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:30:26 <planetmaker> It's that you ask people to invest months of their time into YOUR fancy 19:31:01 <CitroN> what devs do? 19:31:07 <CitroN> i need learn that !!! 19:31:08 <CitroN> :D 19:31:18 <CitroN> why they are there! 19:31:20 <yorick> CitroN: you need learn a bit more english, too :) 19:31:22 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:d90:60cf:1bf6:b4eb] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:31:27 <VVG> fooling around, ignoring suggestions i think 19:31:33 <CitroN> sure! 19:31:36 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:d90:60cf:1bf6:b4eb] has joined #openttd 19:31:39 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 19:32:03 <VVG> anyone playing recent cargodist here? 19:32:07 <yorick> fixing bugs, doing stuff not-openttd-related, implementing somebody elses ideas 19:32:10 <planetmaker> devs are those guys and gals who always change that piece of code which will break your favourite patch in the most unfortunate way 19:32:11 <frosch123> VVG: don't forget "turning down patches" 19:32:34 <CitroN> :( ya 19:32:38 <planetmaker> and they do all that for no obvious reason 19:32:38 *** keoz [~keikoz@418pc.wohnheimg.uni-frankfurt.de] has joined #openttd 19:32:38 <frosch123> and "defend from forks" :p 19:32:40 <VVG> frosch123: didn't know about it, you didn't mention it in a previous comment :) 19:32:52 <CitroN> whos dev there 19:32:56 * planetmaker offers frosch123 a fork with a fly :-P 19:33:12 <VVG> denfe from fokrs doesn't count, anyone sane will defend against them when attacked :p 19:33:13 * frosch123 already has a spoon with coffee 19:33:17 <andythenorth> frosch123: devs are those people who politely ignore my suggestions :) 19:33:20 <VVG> s/denfe/defend/ 19:34:04 *** Sacro [~ben@94-116-82-142.dynamic.thecloud.net] has joined #openttd 19:34:10 <CitroN> can underground idea come true? 19:34:15 <CitroN> yes 19:34:16 *** Muddy [muddy@playing.OpenTTD.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:34:17 <CitroN> but 19:34:22 <planetmaker> yes. But *someone* has to code it 19:34:28 <CitroN> yea meant that 19:34:33 <CitroN> can someone do it 19:34:35 <planetmaker> And that *someone* is either you - or not likely 19:34:45 <planetmaker> yes *someone* can also do it. 19:34:55 <planetmaker> But *someone* is not as interested in it as you 19:35:14 <VVG> a bettet question will be "will someone do it" 19:35:17 <planetmaker> even if it is a reasonable suggestion for enhancement 19:35:17 *** Muddy [muddy@playing.OpenTTD.no] has joined #openttd 19:35:29 <Wolf01> 'night 19:35:35 <CitroN> need find a dev thats interested and will do that. who can do that? (can=can and will) 19:35:45 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host176-238-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 19:36:02 <VVG> good luck with that definition of can 19:36:34 <planetmaker> CitroN, development mostly is about "I do" and not "I find someone who fulfills my wish" 19:37:40 <CitroN> if i do ll someone help? 19:38:12 <CitroN> -.- 19:38:26 <CitroN> all devs here and readed that i think 19:38:35 <DorpsGek> i can tell you the ports openttd uses, if that helps? 19:38:49 <CitroN> ... 19:38:51 <dihedral> :-D 19:38:59 <VVG> that certanly confusing 19:39:06 <CitroN> 3979 3979 3979 3979 ... 19:39:37 *** dotwaffle [~dotwaffle@2a00:14f0:0:aaaa:230:48ff:fe32:4fd0] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:39:45 <CitroN> alrdy forwarded them 19:40:10 <planetmaker> you forgot one... 19:41:25 <CitroN> 3979 19:41:26 <CitroN> 3979 19:41:36 <planetmaker> you forgot one... 19:41:45 <CitroN> and some ol versions 3978 19:41:57 <CitroN> " 19:42:58 <dihedral> lol? 19:43:12 <dihedral> CitroN, go read wiki.openttd.org, perhaps that'll help you ^^ 19:43:25 <CitroN> i know there 19:43:28 <CitroN> ... 19:44:34 * planetmaker pets DorpsGek and calls 19:44:36 <planetmaker> @ports 19:44:36 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service, a.k.a. BaNaNaS (outbound) 19:44:49 <planetmaker> looks quite recent to me 19:45:20 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 19:45:30 <CitroN> i hosted server from both 3979 with udp + tcp 19:45:37 <CitroN> works 19:45:53 <planetmaker> did you read Dorpsgek's reply? 19:46:54 <CitroN> ya 19:47:23 <CitroN> and i said i hosted server from both 3979 with udp + tcp works like that too 19:48:08 * fjb is back and still alive. 19:48:17 <CitroN> lol, devs dont know what to do. roadmap says no idea 19:48:18 <planetmaker> yes. If you accept that you are not listed in the server list 19:48:20 *** dotwaffle [~dotwaffle@2a00:14f0:0:aaaa:230:48ff:fe32:4fd0] has joined #openttd 19:48:22 <planetmaker> Hey, fjb 19:48:29 <planetmaker> how's going? 19:48:42 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-188-100-209-122.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:48:45 <CitroN> i was in server list and played with my friends (not in same lan ) 19:49:10 <yorick> you best bet is SmatZ 19:49:12 <fjb> Don't know. The interview was ok. 19:49:28 <frosch123> who interviewed you? 19:49:33 <CitroN> and command screened openttd says if your hosting work 19:49:50 <fjb> My may be next boss interviewt me. 19:49:55 <planetmaker> :-) 19:49:58 <frosch123> ah, a job interview 19:50:04 <fjb> Yes. 19:50:05 <SmatZ> :) 19:50:06 <frosch123> i thought you gave a big show in tv or so :p 19:50:09 <yorick> CitroN: http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/3d/ 19:50:17 <fjb> No. :) 19:52:43 <CitroN> yorick thats yould be good with graphics 19:52:56 <yorick> CitroN: then go bother SmatZ 19:53:06 <Eddi|zuHause> was that ever in a usable state? 19:53:16 <yorick> probably not 19:53:26 <planetmaker> please, he's such a nice guy. Don't wake up dead sheep 19:53:29 <dihedral> yorick, that's so mean, what has SmatZ done to you?? 19:53:35 <planetmaker> and let him spend his time worthwhile 19:53:43 <CitroN> wheres smatz 19:53:50 <yorick> CitroN: hmm...never mind 19:53:58 <yorick> CitroN: you should do it yourself if you ever want this done 19:54:01 <Eddi|zuHause> about ten lines above yours... 19:54:15 <yorick> shh 19:54:18 <CitroN> maybe i can help him to complete 19:54:32 <yorick> you mean 'redo' 19:54:57 <dihedral> <Eddi|zuHause> about ten lines above yours... <- LOL 19:54:58 <frosch123> CitroN: just take a guess how old that thing is :) 19:55:33 * planetmaker feels a youngling wrt OpenTTD 19:55:37 <Eddi|zuHause> dihedral: well, it was 11... 19:56:06 <dihedral> it was still quite funny :-) 19:56:17 <CitroN> smatz 11 yrs old? 19:56:45 <Rubidium> yes, SmatZ has been 11 years old for quite a while 19:56:45 <Eddi|zuHause> seriously, how badly can you fail in reading comprehension? 19:57:50 <frosch123> oh, i need to give CitroN a hint. the dates on the webpage are the dates when the files were copied to the new server, not when they were created :p 19:59:03 <yorick> it's based on a revision from 2007-09 19:59:42 <frosch123> i would have guessed february/march 2008 19:59:42 <SmatZ> :) 19:59:47 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-133-219.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:59:53 <CitroN> what hapenned to SmatZ 20:00:00 <Eddi|zuHause> man... i've been here way too long... 20:00:05 <SmatZ> such a sad story... 20:00:15 <SmatZ> nah, alive and kicking :) 20:00:27 <CitroN> heeey 20:00:43 * planetmaker hugs smatzy-patchy 20:00:45 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF873D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:00:51 <CitroN> you guy made that underground- rails idea 20:00:51 <SmatZ> :^) 20:00:53 <frosch123> hmm, though as it was started at r11060, it was likely not started by a dev :p 20:01:00 <SmatZ> :) 20:01:14 <CitroN> i come there with same idea 20:01:18 <SmatZ> CitroN: certainly I wasn't the first :p I tried to code something, but left that soon 20:01:34 <CitroN> dun left! i want code it again 20:02:00 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@5adc9b64.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 20:02:05 <SmatZ> feel free :D 20:02:31 <CitroN> not viaducts. i just want that underground rails 20:03:04 <Eddi|zuHause> they are the same things 20:03:06 <planetmaker> CitroN, may I emphasize the important part? 20:03:15 <SmatZ> "3D" underground rail is a big change to game design 20:03:19 <planetmaker> "i want code it again" 20:03:25 <SmatZ> :) 20:03:26 <planetmaker> let that be followed by tasks ;-) 20:03:48 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-188-100-209-122.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:04:06 *** keoz [~keikoz@418pc.wohnheimg.uni-frankfurt.de] has quit [Quit: keoz] 20:04:59 <CitroN> ops 20:05:02 <CitroN> wil come back 20:05:05 <CitroN> in ah hour 20:05:07 *** CitroN [542c3040@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 20:05:34 <Rubidium> so... what about going back to freenode? 20:05:36 <Eddi|zuHause> that certainly was a threat! 20:06:19 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:08:33 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0b25f4.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:12:04 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 20:13:16 *** Zuu [Leif@c-7df4e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 20:18:42 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:20:01 *** Tennel [~Tennel@port-ip-213-211-224-128.reverse.mdcc-fun.de] has joined #openttd 20:23:18 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:23:18 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 20:26:23 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B73CC4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:27:03 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B73CC4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:32:34 *** Chillosophy [~fu@82-170-139-109.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 20:38:42 *** wollollo [~martin@host86-175-29-209.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #openttd 20:39:44 *** zodttd [~me@user-0c90n1c.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:40:46 <Belugas> nighht all 20:45:07 <Terkhen> good night Belugas 20:51:18 *** mode/#openttd [+v orudge] by ChanServ 20:51:18 *** mode/#openttd [+v Belugas] by ChanServ 20:51:21 *** mode/#openttd [+v Rubidium] by ChanServ 20:52:47 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fede4.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:55:23 *** Sacro [~ben@94-116-82-142.dynamic.thecloud.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00:43 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 21:00:43 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:00:47 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 21:09:22 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r20764 /trunk/src/industry_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: minor coding style fix 21:17:26 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:25:23 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:33:36 *** TomyLobo [~foo@port-212-202-171-176.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: A key, command, or action that tells the system to return to a previous state or stop a process.] 21:35:19 *** George is now known as Guest1 21:35:22 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 21:39:37 <VVG> How do you change drives in windows command promt? 21:40:02 <avdg> by typing the name 21:40:05 <avdg> C: 21:40:10 <avdg> D: 21:40:11 <avdg> etc 21:40:18 <VVG> whoa, so simple 21:40:40 <VVG> too simple to even guess :( 21:40:44 <VVG> thanks 21:40:47 <avdg> yeah, but its confusing 21:40:53 <avdg> for me at least :p 21:41:15 <VVG> it is. it drove me crazy a few times when cd x: did nothing :( 21:41:33 <SmatZ> :) 21:41:35 *** Guest1 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:42:09 <avdg> I prefer unix, through the filestructure is more complex 21:42:39 *** George|2 [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 21:42:39 *** George is now known as Guest4 21:42:39 *** George|2 is now known as George 21:42:46 * avdg hopes that microsoft will work on it :p 21:42:52 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 21:42:59 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:43:00 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 21:43:10 * Rubidium thinks it's stupid that DOS and Windows use \ for path seperators 21:43:23 <Rubidium> "yay" for backwards compatability... 21:43:33 <avdg> lol 21:43:46 <VVG> windows versions of make doesn't like makefile.msvc :( 21:44:10 <Rubidium> you need gnu make 21:44:21 <Rubidium> and then it works just fine 21:44:44 <VVG> i got this one, 1st hit in google search: http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/make.htm 21:44:55 <Rubidium> (or nobody has told me yet that the compile farm fails to make actual binaries) 21:45:45 <planetmaker> :-O Like in no windows binaries the last days? 21:45:46 <Rubidium> then in what way doesn't make like it? 21:45:58 <Rubidium> planetmaker: more like the last... say 2 years? 21:46:20 <planetmaker> he... seems they must have worked then. 21:46:45 <planetmaker> and a small unimportant part was broken... or what is it? 21:48:02 *** George is now known as Guest6 21:48:06 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 21:48:22 <VVG> http://pastebin.com/mbHSssLq here is what doesn't like 21:48:32 * Rubidium can't quite follow planetmaker's thoughts 21:48:50 <avdg> vvg: do you have these tools? 21:48:58 <VVG> obviously, not 21:49:01 <Rubidium> doesn't look like it :) 21:49:09 <avdg> so yes, is the location of the tools added in you PATH :p 21:49:33 *** Guest4 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:49:36 * avdg was just to late 21:49:41 <VVG> the download page for make says all dependancies are included :( 21:50:24 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:50:31 <Rubidium> VVG: that's like saying MS Office installs all its dependencies, until you find out a font is missing. Is that the fault of MS Office? 21:50:37 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 21:51:17 * avdg loves that example 21:51:38 <avdg> too typical 21:52:24 <SmatZ> welcome back, Nite_Owl 21:52:32 <SmatZ> the bug you pointed out is fixed 21:52:34 <SmatZ> I hope 21:52:56 <Nite_Owl> Yes it is - thank you 21:53:11 <SmatZ> :) 21:54:07 <VVG> Rubidium: unfortunatly, no. But you still can blame it, right? 21:54:13 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 21:54:15 *** Guest6 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:54:22 <Nite_Owl> The left click scrolling and the right click scrolling do not work the same though. I cannot remember if they did in the past or not. 21:54:45 <SmatZ> right click scrolling works every time 21:54:58 <VVG> http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/awka.htm 21:55:03 <VVG> is this an eqivalent of AWK? 21:55:10 <SmatZ> left click works only when you don't click a station/depot/town, when you don't have any build tool active... 21:55:36 <Rubidium> VVG: no, you need mawk or gawk 21:55:40 <SmatZ> when nothing else can be done when left-clicking, viewport is scrolled 21:56:40 <Nite_Owl> right click - cursor stays in the middle of the screen and scrolling is unlimited. left click - cursor moves as you scroll and you can only scroll as far as the edge of the screen. scrolling stops when the cursor reaches the edge of the screen 21:56:40 *** Tennel [~Tennel@port-ip-213-211-224-128.reverse.mdcc-fun.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:57:19 <Rubidium> that has always been the case 21:57:19 <SmatZ> interesting 21:57:37 <Rubidium> the let click scrolling is meant for stuff like touchpads 21:57:42 <SmatZ> one could say it is a bug 21:57:45 <glx> VVG: it's in textutils IIRC 21:58:04 <SmatZ> also the fact the mouse cursor is moving a little when doing lmb scrolling 21:58:08 <SmatZ> "shaking" 21:58:32 <Rubidium> SmatZ: if you care enough to break touchpads and the like (and explain why you've broken it), go ahead :) 21:58:37 <VVG> glx: what?, for gawk there is a separate download, which i found. i now lack cp and cut 21:58:42 <glx> cut and cp 21:59:16 <glx> gawk is in gawk :) 21:59:18 <Nite_Owl> I had enabled left click scrolling for some reason or another which is what lead to this. I have it disabled again now. 21:59:23 <VVG> yep, just looked through it contents, thanks 21:59:34 <SmatZ> Rubidium: I'm not touching anything :) 21:59:55 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-74.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 22:01:59 <VVG> http://pastebin.com/WTgzWFnx more errors :( 22:03:03 <VVG> that's with gawk, mb is should try nawk? 22:03:48 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 22:05:18 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:05:53 *** Zuu [Leif@c-7df4e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:09:28 *** George|2 [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 22:09:28 *** George is now known as Guest12 22:09:28 *** George|2 is now known as George 22:09:37 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1996D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:11:03 <VVG> doesn't help, mawk or nawk. i'm stuck :( 22:11:03 <glx> VVG: just use gawk :) 22:11:20 <VVG> doesn't work T_T 22:11:43 <glx> but you may need a wrapper named awk 22:11:54 <VVG> gawk installs it 22:12:06 *** George|2 [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 22:12:06 *** George is now known as Guest13 22:12:07 <VVG> a few lines up the log with error i get now 22:12:07 *** George|2 is now known as George 22:12:24 *** thvdburgt [~thvdburgt@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:12:59 <VVG> it's gawk that installs awk and a bunch of other utils, bot mawk and nawk from gnuwin page only install nawk.exe and mawk.exe 22:13:27 <VVG> i went with gawk first, fail, tried them later, even more of a fail 22:14:00 <glx> hmm cp error is weird 22:14:08 <Nite_Owl> Food stuff has arrived and I need to unload the car - later all 22:14:16 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 22:15:14 *** Guest12 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:15:56 <VVG> in nix "make -f Makefile.msvc bundle PLATFORM=WIN32" works flawlessly, right? 22:16:08 <glx> with msys too 22:17:48 *** Guest13 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:19:22 <VVG> can it be that i lack some more tools just don't get any notice of that? 22:19:51 <glx> it may be bad ports too 22:23:11 <glx> hmm the awk error looks like 'VERSIONS := $(shell AWK="$(AWK)" "$(ROOT_DIR)/findversion.sh")' did something weird 22:23:31 <Rubidium> no bash? 22:23:43 <Rubidium> or rather, no shell whatsoever 22:24:01 <glx> I don't know gnuwin make 22:25:46 <glx> seems it has only cmd.exe as shell 22:27:44 <VVG> i run it from cmd.exe, that's for sure 22:28:44 *** ABCRic_ [~This.is.A@126.61.103.87.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 22:29:09 *** ABCRic is now known as Guest15 22:29:09 *** ABCRic_ is now known as ABCRic 22:33:43 *** Guest15 [~This.is.A@61.57.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:35:34 <VVG> removed all the gnuwina and installed msys, it worked 22:36:29 <VVG> however, it also gave me findversion.sh line 75 svnversion: not found, and the same for svn. What do these 2 do? 22:36:29 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:36:34 *** CitroN [542c3040@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 22:36:46 <ABCRic> Meh, just made a NewGRF with an industry that produces passengers and mail, a bit buggy though. GRFMaker sure is useful. 22:36:48 <ABCRic> OpenTTD could use an "official" NewGRF-making tool, but I guess it's more fun if the community tries to do it :D Besides, don't want the devs to have that extra work :) 22:37:35 <CitroN> then really everyone would see devs useless 22:37:51 <glx> VVG: part of svn command line version 22:39:11 <glx> VVG: just install http://www.sliksvn.com/en/download 22:39:40 <glx> will give you a standard svn 22:39:47 <VVG> will it interfere with tortoisesvn? 22:39:51 <glx> no 22:39:58 <VVG> thaanks 22:40:09 <glx> unless tortoise is stupid :) 22:40:16 <ABCRic> I got both installed and everything is fine :) 22:40:31 <Eddi|zuHause> version mismatches may be evil 22:40:41 <Eddi|zuHause> but otherwise they shouldn't get in each others way 22:40:58 <VVG> also, how can i make an archived bundle, bundle.zip for example and have it nicely named along the lines of openttd-trunk-r20762-windows-win32.zip? 22:41:06 <ABCRic> I installed tortoise because of the interface, but I needed the command line version to make my OpenTTD-updating script 22:41:22 <glx> TortoiseSVN 1.6.10, built against Subversion 1.6.12. Released 16. July 2010. <-- should be ok on that point 22:41:23 <Eddi|zuHause> VVG: "make bundle_zip" or similar 22:41:35 <ABCRic> 'make bundle'? 22:43:16 <glx> make bundle just prepare the bundle 22:43:41 <glx> ie put everything in bundle dir 22:43:45 <VVG> make -f Makefile.msvc bundle PLATFORM=WIN32 is the command i used and it gave a bindle dir 22:44:03 <VVG> glx: err, is at a cmd i need to run? 22:44:03 <glx> that's what it does yes 22:44:37 <glx> what? 22:44:49 <VVG> oh 22:45:02 <VVG> after make -f just rund make bundle? 22:45:34 <glx> make -f Makefile.msvc bundle PLATFORM=WIN32 <-- it's already done ;) 22:45:38 <Eddi|zuHause> VVG: in whatever command you use, just replace "bundle" by "bundle_zip" 22:45:54 <glx> you'll need zip.exe of course 22:46:19 <Eddi|zuHause> or "bundle_rar", ... 22:46:25 <VVG> ahha, thanks 22:46:33 <VVG> time to go looking for zip 22:47:23 <ABCRic> maybe bundle_7z :P 22:48:07 <Eddi|zuHause> bundle_lmaa :p 22:48:25 <Eddi|zuHause> (yes, i know, it's a bad joke) 22:48:44 <VVG> will a native zip or rar suffice? 22:48:52 <glx> zip, 7z, gzip, bzip2, lzma, lha, dmg, exe 22:49:02 <glx> no rar 22:49:03 <CitroN> SmatZ not online? 22:49:48 <VVG> i need to have any of these in path, right? 22:50:08 <glx> just the one you want to use 22:50:53 <Eddi|zuHause> why no rar? 22:51:03 <Rubidium> it's not free :) 22:51:05 <glx> I use gnuwin32 zip 22:51:13 <Rubidium> and it's inferior to 7z 22:51:36 <glx> Rubidium: still many people think rar is better ;) 22:51:39 <VVG> accidentaly, i have 7z already, though i don't now recall how it got here, since i use winrar exclusivaly 22:51:44 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: afair it's "free as in beer", just not "free as in speech" 22:52:37 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: exactly, so I need to go through extra hoops to install it 22:52:47 <Rubidium> i.e. I won't install it 22:52:53 <VVG> every time i press tab to fill a path in msys it makes my pc go BEEP, is there a way to stop it from beeping? 22:53:27 <ABCRic> I always use 7zip for rar files :) 22:53:45 <glx> the worse I've seen is zip in rar 22:53:54 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-74.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:54:08 <ABCRic> glx: zip files inside rar files? 22:54:13 <glx> yes 22:54:26 <Rubidium> glx: really? 22:54:31 <Eddi|zuHause> everybody knows that .lnk are the most compressed files! 22:54:42 <ABCRic> well, you have to admit it *does* give the impression that it will be compressed better 22:54:52 <ABCRic> ...to the ignorant user 22:55:12 <Rubidium> glx: does that beat "files in self extracting executable in self extracting executable in zip in rar"? 22:55:12 <glx> anyway 7zip is enough to open everything 22:55:23 <ABCRic> Eddi: too bad no-one invented a .lnk compressor yet 22:55:40 <VVG> i stick to rar since ages ago, used to it, and it just works for me 22:56:11 <Eddi|zuHause> ABCRic: i think you missed the joke... 22:56:36 <ABCRic> no, but I might have missed a 'xD' at the end of the line :P 22:57:02 <glx> Eddi|zuHause: I know people "saving" games by just moving the shortcut from desktop to an usb drive 22:57:11 <Eddi|zuHause> ABCRic: there was a ! 22:57:38 <ABCRic> Eddi: at the end of my response 22:57:42 <Eddi|zuHause> the "use smilies like interpunctuation" works both ways :) 22:58:22 <ABCRic> glx: but it's so convenient... 22:58:22 <Eddi|zuHause> ABCRic: anyway, you probably should have said "decompressor" 22:58:26 <SpComb> .lnk to a public internet-accessible SMB share 22:58:42 <SpComb> observe this innovative new cloud technology 22:58:43 <ABCRic> Eddi: whatever. :P 22:58:46 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 22:58:58 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-118-40.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:59:21 <glx> SpComb: like http://localhost/ links ? 22:59:39 <ABCRic> SpComb: In the feature, all data will be stored in remote places and you can access them from anywhere. 22:59:59 <ABCRic> *them != it 23:00:09 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:00:14 <Eddi|zuHause> "the cloud"... 23:00:24 <ABCRic> SpComb: Also, Google will take over the world. 23:00:43 <ABCRic> *after* 2012 ends said world 23:00:44 <Eddi|zuHause> you need some serious redundancy and encryption for that to work reliably 23:01:13 <Eddi|zuHause> ABCRic: the world ends on average every two years... 23:01:54 <Eddi|zuHause> if you believe everybody who predicts the end of the world and constructs some remotely vague theory around it 23:02:06 <ABCRic> Eddi: but 2012 is a more known date for a world-end 23:02:26 <ABCRic> because of movies 23:02:31 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1996D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:02:39 <Eddi|zuHause> there are plenty of "known" dates for end of the world... 23:02:51 <ABCRic> and also Mayans not having any more space to finish the calendar 23:03:01 <Eddi|zuHause> just because it's currently hyped, doesn't mean it's the one that will come true 23:03:17 <VVG> great, now it produces nicely named archive, thanks a lot 23:03:42 <ABCRic> you don't have to tell *me* that. I'm a complete don't-believe-'till-I-see-it 23:04:05 <Eddi|zuHause> weird, when someone starts a sentence with "great" i expect something sarcastic-ironic following it... 23:04:09 <VVG> should have gone with msys right away instead of gnuwin, it was actually easy and straighforward 23:05:12 <VVG> Eddi|zuHause: you might need help there :p 23:05:21 <ABCRic> Eddi: doesn't happen *every* time... 23:05:36 <VVG> wait, i have NT instead of win32 in the name :( 23:06:13 <ABCRic> VVG: o.O 23:06:28 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:07:38 <VVG> I supply PLATFORM=WIN32 and get Windows_NT in the name of a bundle 23:08:15 <Rubidium> VVG: guess what... Win32 != WIN32 23:09:15 <ABCRic> well, I'm off. gn everyone 23:09:29 *** ABCRic [~This.is.A@126.61.103.87.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Quit: Sometimes I wonder why that frisbee is getting bigger, and suddenly, it hits me.] 23:09:37 <VVG> this, well, is strange, no? 23:09:46 <Rubidium> and the Windows_NT comes from your global OS variable 23:11:42 <VVG> Is this normal for winXP to have OS = Windows_NT? 23:12:19 <Eddi|zuHause> XP is just a fancy name for NT 5.2 23:13:05 <glx> or 5.1 23:13:25 <glx> vista is 6.0, 7 is 6.1 ;) 23:13:33 <Eddi|zuHause> 5.2 is SP2? 23:14:13 <glx> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms724832%28v=VS.85%29.aspx 23:15:33 <glx> this page used to be more complete, but as they dropped win9x support... 23:15:57 <glx> platform dropped = doc disapeared 23:18:23 <Eddi|zuHause> well, the docs probably make the largest part of the support ;) 23:20:01 <glx> indeed, and it's fun when you need to fix something win32 related and need it to work on win9x too 23:28:18 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF873D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:32:07 *** CitroN [542c3040@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 23:38:10 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.88.193] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 23:44:15 <VVG> hm, in turnk, autofill rounds the time taken to nearest day. If i set it, using a patch, to something smaller than DAY_TICKS, what implications it can have? A simple quick test with save/load suggest it's nothing to care about. 23:47:44 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a compile time constant, you can freely change it... 23:52:20 <VVG> assert(v->timetable_start_ticks_offset != NULL); here, does the NULL mean not initialized, and not integer zero? 23:53:06 <SmatZ> NULL means NULL pointer 23:53:09 <Eddi|zuHause> that looks weird 23:54:11 <Eddi|zuHause> the variable doesn't sound like a pointer, so comparing with the null pointer doesn't seem to make any sense 23:54:28 <SmatZ> VVG: I can't find that code in OTTD sources 23:54:38 <VVG> that's from a patch :) 23:54:45 <Eddi|zuHause> so next step would be to check what type the variable has 23:54:55 <VVG> i want to make sure that a variable is initialized and set to some value, whatever it is 23:55:32 <SmatZ> I am not sure OpenTTD is the best place to learn C/C++ 23:56:26 <VVG> plain copypast works wonders sometimes, but as seen here, might be wrong