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00:01:08 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 00:03:03 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:04:38 *** GT [~GT@rt-scb-9f41.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:08:45 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8B40.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:09:30 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 00:13:39 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-19-27.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:32:52 *** keoz [~keikoz@418pc.wohnheimg.uni-frankfurt.de] has joined #openttd 00:35:16 *** keoz [~keikoz@418pc.wohnheimg.uni-frankfurt.de] has quit [] 00:42:22 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C5EE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:43:23 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:14:27 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:14:42 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 01:20:18 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-74.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:29:58 *** DDR_ [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has joined #openttd 01:31:44 *** Lokimaros [~mazur@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 01:32:04 *** Lokimaros [~mazur@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has quit [] 01:33:47 *** Smoovious [imp586@75-12-89-18.lightspeed.wyngmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 01:34:38 <Smoovious> a couple years ago I played a server that had some municipal airports set up... been trying to find out how it was done... anyone know? (wanting to set up my own server to do that) 01:35:26 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:35:38 *** DDR_ is now known as DDR 01:41:38 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:45:38 <Mazur> You start the server and build the municipal airports, and start the planes. 01:45:57 <Mazur> We start every game like that. 01:46:59 <Mazur> And pay off the debt first, and let hte planes make the initial money to build our networks. 01:54:48 *** davis1 [~b@p5B28BC33.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:55:20 *** davis_ [~b@p5B28A40A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:15:14 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 02:49:26 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:10:17 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c7de.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 03:14:03 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:17:38 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d494.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:18:05 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:50cf:226e:cbf2:4ef7] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:19:32 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 03:41:45 <trebuchet> Since I got OpenTTD 1.0.3 to compile on OpenBSD47/Loongsong(mipsel 64bit) port, is that worth noting? A lot of other OSS games don't play this nice cross-platform wise. 03:43:31 *** davis_ [~b@p5B28A40A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 03:46:22 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c7de.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:50:38 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:53:42 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.211.77] has joined #openttd 03:59:53 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.196.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:36:28 <Mazur> If there is no binary offered for that platform, I'm sure they are interested in whether it works and in a maintainer for such a binary. 04:40:57 <ccfreak2k> What kind of box still uses mipsel and isn't embedded? 04:45:28 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 04:54:08 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B734B7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:58:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7479A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:15:41 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has joined #openttd 05:36:42 <trebuchet> ccfreak2k: Look up Lemote Inc. 05:36:54 <trebuchet> They have a 10" netbook I use called the YeeLoong. 05:37:23 <trebuchet> They also have an all-in-one thing like an iMac, and a small ITX box. 05:45:30 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 05:53:03 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:26:28 *** trebuchet [~Trebuchet@69.51.104.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:35:11 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:36:17 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-f1f3e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 06:38:31 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 06:45:37 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 06:53:03 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:21:04 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe86de00-246.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 07:22:15 <VVG> good morning 07:23:59 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:24:13 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 07:32:28 <SmatZ> morning 07:32:50 <SmatZ> after a long time, I came back home in the morning... 07:32:53 <SmatZ> strange feeling 07:35:18 <SmatZ> http://xkcd.com/791/ quite expresses me 07:35:36 <SmatZ> I have often feeling the person who writes xkcd is my twin brother... 07:38:19 * planetmaker hugs SmatZ 07:38:24 <planetmaker> good morning :-) 07:39:08 <planetmaker> That xkcd is some of those where I also felt quite like "yeah, exaclty!" :-) 07:40:23 <planetmaker> btw, SmatZ: the travel agency booked me a return ticket for less than 60⬠07:44:54 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 07:45:33 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-f1f3e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:45:44 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 07:46:50 <Terkhen> me too :) 07:46:52 <Terkhen> good morning 07:50:57 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:52:10 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 07:53:19 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:55:29 *** Andel [~andel@owenrudge.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:55:33 *** Andel [~andel@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 07:59:49 <Rubidium> planetmaker: wow, that's pretty cheap ;) 08:00:11 <planetmaker> moin Terkhen and Rubidium 08:00:23 <planetmaker> and... good bye till Sunday. Off to Utrecht ;-) 08:00:47 <Terkhen> planetmaker: have a good weekend :) 08:01:52 <planetmaker> you, too! :-) 08:03:37 <Rubidium> good luck doing whatever you intend to do in Utreg 08:06:20 <SmatZ> planetmaker: nice :) 08:06:26 <SmatZ> hello Terkhen 08:06:28 <SmatZ> morning Rubidium 08:06:30 <SmatZ> :) 08:11:29 <andythenorth> morning 08:11:57 <andythenorth> @seen frosch123 08:11:57 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: frosch123 was last seen in #openttd 1 day, 11 hours, 11 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <frosch123> oh, btw. Eddi|zuHause: all languages have currently at least one untranslated string :p 08:12:06 *** X-2 [~X-2@5ED67292.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 08:12:44 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:12:58 <SmatZ> morning andythenorth 08:14:17 <X-2> morning 08:14:33 <SmatZ> morning X-2 08:14:39 <X-2> :) 08:15:12 * Rubidium blames andythenorth for asking that to DorpsGek a whole 4 seconds too early 08:15:15 * SmatZ wonders if anyone would notice if that greeting was automated 08:15:48 <SmatZ> :) 08:16:16 <Alberth> if you do it once or twice, probably not 08:16:28 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-19-27.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 08:16:50 <SmatZ> 11,11,7 in base4 is 23,23,13 08:16:54 <SmatZ> a bit better :) 08:17:13 * andythenorth has a question 08:17:19 <andythenorth> can I ask a question? 08:17:53 * Terkhen wonders if andythenorth can ask a question or not 08:17:58 <Rubidium> yes, a vigorous study has concluded that you are physically and mentally able to pose a question 08:18:04 <andythenorth> ok 08:18:09 <andythenorth> thanks 08:18:17 <SmatZ> :) 08:18:22 <andythenorth> how do I get my baby to sleep? 08:18:25 <andythenorth> sorry wrong question 08:18:44 <Rubidium> get it up by the feet at swing at the wall till silent? 08:19:09 <andythenorth> I need to restrict availability of certain industry *layouts* by time 08:19:19 <Terkhen> ask him/her politely 08:19:35 <andythenorth> I can allow / prevent them with cb28, but that will be very frustrating to players 08:20:17 <andythenorth> i.e. layout 4 is disallowed in 1870. player tries to build in 1870. game randomly selects layout 4. player isn't allowed to build. 08:20:20 <Rubidium> there's nothing beside that, except using other graphics and such based on the building date 08:20:40 <Rubidium> but then the (base) layout would be the same 08:20:44 <andythenorth> yup 08:22:03 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 08:22:27 <VVG> i've made a prototype for a vehicle sorter using arrival/departure times. While it uses the already avaible code in trunk to calculate the A/D times, i get slightly different results :( 08:23:00 <VVG> http://img.openttdcoop.org/images/flunnwellt.png 08:25:37 * andythenorth ponders 08:27:48 <andythenorth> I suppose extending the values cb28 can return is out of the question? 08:27:57 <andythenorth> i.e. 0404 == 'try another layout' 08:28:12 <andythenorth> (could lead to deadlocks if all layouts unavailable) 08:28:19 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:32:21 * Rubidium sees more in callback sending a random number to the NewGRF so it can decide the layout (possibly with the tile where the user wants to build the object) 08:32:45 <Rubidium> maybe even with a "move the northern tile by XY" 08:32:56 <Rubidium> so building those harbours becomes slightly easier 08:33:27 <andythenorth> so newgrf specifies layout number, not game? 08:33:30 <andythenorth> that would work 08:33:58 <Rubidium> andythenorth: except when the callback returns an invalid value or not at all ofcourse 08:34:53 * andythenorth ponders 08:35:54 <andythenorth> the goal is to have industries that are conceptually same (e.g. small shop, big shop) use just one ID 08:36:07 <andythenorth> but some types only available in certain dates 08:36:35 <andythenorth> it might be too complicated....means also possibly varying production code depending on layout number 08:36:46 <andythenorth> but it would make mini-map easier to use 08:39:18 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DEDD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:44:12 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:45:52 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:48:25 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 08:49:03 <andythenorth> Alberth: is there a more scientific method to test your industry patch than watching the game on ff? 08:53:19 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:53:44 *** Westie [~westie@starfish.typefish.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:54:23 <Alberth> if you run it with -d industry=3 you get messages at stdout about the internal data state, not sure whether that helps a lot though :) 08:55:23 <Alberth> you could consider making a graph of how many industries it builds or how much it is behind, or how often it fails to build or so, at least it looks more scientific then :) 08:56:17 <andythenorth> I never figured out how to run the game headless and have it log industry openings / closures 08:56:31 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host28-234-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 08:56:42 <__ln__> 'night Wolf01 08:56:47 <Wolf01> hello 08:57:03 <Wolf01> late, ln 08:57:17 <Alberth> I added the 'industry' debug, so before, you definitely could not monitor that unless you add code for it 08:58:11 <Alberth> would such a thing be any good? 08:58:19 <Terkhen> I still have that log industry opening/closure patch somewhere 08:58:24 <Terkhen> it is just a hack, though 08:58:33 <andythenorth> isn't everything? :P 08:58:48 <Terkhen> :) 08:58:59 <Terkhen> http://devs.openttd.org/~terkhen/patches/log_industry_closure/ 08:58:59 <Alberth> I added a log-line at level 2 for closures iirc, I can also add one for opening 08:59:07 <andythenorth> Alberth: to test your patch properly it probably does need charting 08:59:16 <Alberth> hmm, you could also write an AI, it gets news events 08:59:19 <andythenorth> otherwise it's incredibly time-consuing to test :) 08:59:32 <andythenorth> consuming /s 08:59:34 <Alberth> if only I knew what to chart 08:59:48 <Alberth> ie what makes industries behave 'good' ? 09:00:01 <andythenorth> the principal thing is openings 09:00:05 <andythenorth> with game timestamp 09:00:36 <andythenorth> possibly also count of all industry each time the random cb runs 09:01:03 <Alberth> what random cb ? 09:01:03 <andythenorth> possibly also a list of available types each time the random cb runs 09:01:10 <andythenorth> the one that creates the industry 09:01:19 <andythenorth> maybe cb is wrong term here 09:01:24 <Alberth> like -d industry=3 ? :) 09:01:42 <Alberth> except you don't have a time stamp 09:01:46 <andythenorth> probably 09:01:53 <andythenorth> how do I use the -d industry=3 switch? 09:02:03 <Alberth> ./openttd -d industry=3 09:02:06 <andythenorth> k 09:02:18 * andythenorth usually runs the game with GUI :P 09:02:23 <Wolf01> gah, I managed to break the new NAS in 2 hours... firmware update gone wrong :| 09:03:02 <andythenorth> hmm 09:03:04 <Alberth> I don't even have a GUI link to openttd :) 09:03:55 * andythenorth navigates inside an OS X package to find the actual binary :P 09:04:31 <Alberth> which openttd 09:05:01 <andythenorth> unknown debug level 'industry=3' 09:05:37 <Alberth> then you are not running the patched version 09:05:41 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:06:25 <andythenorth> grr 09:09:39 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-abf6e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 09:25:19 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-115-30.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:26:34 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-115-30.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 09:26:37 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 09:30:49 *** avdg [~Adium@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:35:53 <andythenorth> Alberth: it looks like the only thing missing from the debug output is the game timestamp 09:41:02 <Alberth> show_date_in_logs = false <-- that setting already exists in the openttd.cfg, apparently 09:41:37 <Rubidium> Alberth: that's real date, not in-game date 09:42:04 <Alberth> bummer 09:45:58 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:46:48 *** Sacro1 [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-19-27.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 09:50:13 *** Comet [~chatzilla@92.251.25.68] has joined #openttd 09:50:18 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA4D0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:50:20 *** Comet [~chatzilla@92.251.25.68] has quit [] 09:53:23 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:54:03 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-19-27.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:54:26 <Alberth> http://www.pastie.org/1151799 a hack to display game date :) 09:55:09 <Rubidium> you're missing _date_fract! 09:55:32 <Alberth> i know, but industries don't change that quickly 09:58:38 <Alberth> is wall clock time more important than in-game time? 09:59:09 <Rubidium> for server owners it's usually wall time 09:59:20 <Rubidium> which is where this feature is primarily used for 10:06:47 *** Sacro1 is now known as Sacro 10:08:16 *** Smoovious [imp586@75-12-89-18.lightspeed.wyngmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Those who are different, change the world. Those who are the same, keep it that way.] 10:11:52 <andythenorth> Alberth: I have to go out for a bit, but I'll apply the date patch and run some tests later 10:12:08 <Alberth> see you later 10:12:21 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:20:33 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: more listen, more understand, more know] 10:28:23 *** keoz [~keikoz@418pc.wohnheimg.uni-frankfurt.de] has joined #openttd 10:37:45 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.18.175.38] has joined #openttd 10:41:45 *** guru3_ is now known as guru3 10:43:51 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db19073.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:45:39 *** Wasila [raphael234@81-178-69-164.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 10:45:40 <Wasila> Hey 10:45:56 <__ln__> something strange going on in the dutchland: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-11265311 10:46:17 <Wasila> I was just curious 10:46:20 <Wasila> in the 'list all trains' window 10:46:24 <Wasila> with groups etc 10:46:34 <Wasila> There are different symbols next to the trains 10:46:50 <Wasila> Like a diagonal blue line, or a yellow circle with a green plus superimposed on it 10:46:51 <__ln__> Wasila: please don't use newline as space. 10:46:59 *** Biolunar_ [Mahdi@blfd-4db19073.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:47:00 <Wasila> Sorry 10:47:02 * X-2 is from dutchland 10:47:07 *** Biolunar is now known as Guest408 10:47:07 *** Biolunar_ is now known as Biolunar 10:47:09 <Wasila> What do they mean? 10:47:48 <TomyLobo> do not use __ln__ as space 10:48:08 <Wasila> <_< 10:48:27 <Alberth> same as the previous icons, there are just other icons 10:49:00 <Wasila> The previous icons being the green/yellow/red light things? 10:49:13 <Alberth> http://wiki.openttd.org/Vehicle_lists 10:50:19 <Wasila> So which icon equates to which? Blue line = under 2 years old? 10:51:01 *** Guest408 [mahdi@blfd-4db19073.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:53:51 *** maddy [59f5e91e@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 10:54:02 <maddy> hi 10:54:33 <maddy> can i forbid the use of monorails and magnetrail ? 10:55:25 <Alberth> Wasila: no idea, I have an old graphics set 10:55:45 <Wasila> Hmmh 10:55:46 <Wasila> OK 10:55:49 <Wasila> Thanks anyway 10:55:50 <Wasila> ;) 10:56:00 <Wasila> Sorry - I forgot. I'll try and keep it on one line in the future 10:56:20 <Alberth> practice makes perfect :) 10:56:39 <Alberth> maddy: you'll need some NewGRF for that, which one, I don't know 10:56:39 <VVG> on topic of vehicle lists, why the recent change of vl + group window of the toolbar button? took me a while to figure out where it dissapeared before i tried ctrl+click 10:57:49 <maddy> ok thx alberth 10:58:08 <Alberth> VVG: sorry, don't know, perhaps read the commit message of that change and/or ask the dev that committed that change? 11:00:56 <VVG> Alberth: questions wasn't specifically directed at you, just the recent converstation reminded me of that :) 11:01:53 <Alberth> I should stop discussing random topics :) 11:05:52 *** last_evolution [~last_evol@ip-86-49-60-58.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 11:07:31 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:10:26 <Ammler> maddy: the luukland has something on bananas to do that, afaik 11:11:22 <maddy> is this copaible to db set ? 11:12:06 <Rubidium> unlikely 11:12:50 <maddy> ok :-( 11:13:29 *** Chillosophy [~fu@82-170-139-109.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:16:53 <Ammler> but you should be able to didsalbe the transrapid with override 11:19:47 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-74.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 11:24:18 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 11:26:40 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 11:27:58 <VVG> jptrains switch maglev/monorail for highspeed rail. Canadian train set overrides monorail with narow gauge 11:28:44 <VVG> err, cts overrides maglev, not monorail 11:28:58 *** [hta]specx [~opera@ip94-126-210-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:31:16 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 11:31:58 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 11:39:35 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:44:08 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-abf6e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:44:40 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 11:49:01 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r20784 /trunk/src/ (debug.cpp debug.h): -Doc: Doxyment a few debug line printing functions. 11:50:00 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:53:45 *** Wasila [raphael234@81-178-69-164.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [] 11:54:59 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 11:59:36 *** JackSwagger [JackSwagge@188.27.16.108] has joined #openttd 11:59:45 <JackSwagger> Hello, somebody online? 12:00:16 <JackSwagger> when i would be able to make "streetcar construction" ? 12:02:20 <JackSwagger> anybody knows ? 12:03:37 <asilv> you need to have newgrf that provides sreetcars, for example generic trams 12:04:11 *** maddy [59f5e91e@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 12:09:58 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA4D0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:15:32 <JackSwagger> where to get that? 12:15:40 <JackSwagger> and where to put :) 12:19:21 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has joined #openttd 12:21:24 <asilv> http://wiki.openttd.org/Online_content and http://wiki.openttd.org/NewGRF should give you some answers 12:22:30 <JackSwagger> can i use in a save game ? 12:25:50 <asilv> possibly, but adding newgrfs to runnig game can cause some strange effects/crashes, so it is safer to start new game 12:26:05 <JackSwagger> im in 2044 :)) 12:26:44 <JackSwagger> i have an incoming of 8kk mil eur 12:30:28 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:7dbc:7992:2b05:1208] has joined #openttd 12:30:31 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:35:06 <Hirundo> In general, adding a vehicle grf and typing 'resetengines' in the console works 90% of the time, but be sure to save beforehand 12:37:10 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-74.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:39:37 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 12:43:21 <JackSwagger> hiru where is the console ? 12:45:55 <Hirundo> Press the key to the left of '1' (often ~) 12:46:38 <JackSwagger> i give that but no change :| 12:46:51 <JackSwagger> resetengines > not working :| 12:47:12 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:52:53 <Mazur> JackSwagger: http://53551a99.cable.casema.nl/docs/Openttd_Hotkeys4.ps 12:58:35 <JackSwagger> where to put? 13:01:18 <Mazur> Just look at it, and print, if you like. It's 2 A4 with all the bhotkeys. 13:12:19 <SpComb> argh, wondering why my patched r20479M build wouldn't load a game saved with the same version 13:12:45 <SpComb> until I noticed that the build on the other computer was based off trunk r20497.. 13:13:23 *** ecke [~ecke@mail2.zelena.cz] has joined #openttd 13:14:12 *** elmz [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:25:52 <Mazur> NIce. 13:30:34 *** keoz [~keikoz@418pc.wohnheimg.uni-frankfurt.de] has quit [Quit: keoz] 13:37:34 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 13:39:43 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:47:12 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:47:26 <TomyLobo> Mazur got ps2pdf? 13:49:59 *** JackSwagger [JackSwagge@188.27.16.108] has quit [] 13:57:09 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:58:49 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has joined #openttd 14:03:00 *** elmz [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 14:12:53 * azaghal is thinking of implementing a "read console commands from file" option 14:14:11 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-30f3e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 14:18:03 <Rubidium> azaghal: keep thinking :) 14:18:43 * SmatZ is thinking of the "exec" console command 14:21:44 *** azaghal_ [~azaghal@109.207.46.236] has joined #openttd 14:28:03 *** azaghal [~azaghal@109.207.46.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:30:23 *** azaghal_ [~azaghal@109.207.46.236] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:32:16 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 14:35:24 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 14:37:36 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc0f99.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 14:39:51 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 14:47:11 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:47:27 *** ecke [~ecke@mail2.zelena.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:48:42 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc0f99.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:57:50 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Quit: Quit] 14:59:17 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:02:24 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 15:07:16 *** CitroN [542c3036@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:12:21 *** CitroN [542c3036@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 15:26:24 <andythenorth> Alberth: testing is still unscientific, but the opening patch does seem pretty effective 15:26:47 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 15:27:41 <Rubidium> guess we need some mainframes to gather enough data for a scientific statistical research into the behaviour 15:27:51 <Rubidium> does someone have some s390s laying around? 15:28:42 <avdg> planetmaker arround here? 15:29:00 <Rubidium> if here is "the middle of the Netherlands", then yes 15:30:31 <Rubidium> otherwise it's unlikely for the coming 24 to 36 hours 15:34:28 <Xaroth> PM's down here? fuck i better hide 15:39:59 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 15:46:23 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-87-102-19-27.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 15:47:12 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:54:33 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-87-102-19-27.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:04:26 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DEDD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:11:58 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5adc9b64.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:14:18 <Zuu> Xaroth: I can assure you PM is a nice guy. 16:23:33 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5adc9b64.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 16:33:44 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:38:05 <Ammler> Zuu: but he is down :-( 16:40:07 <Muxy> yop, does an call to SetWindowClassesDirty will trigger a ::Paint( ) ? 16:40:36 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 16:42:30 <Muxy> or OnPaint() should be better ... ? 16:42:40 <TomyLobo> no 16:42:44 <TomyLobo> paint 16:42:50 <TomyLobo> Qt does it that way :) 16:43:02 <TomyLobo> it's not an event, but a protected method, i guess 16:43:05 <Muxy> hum OpenTTD Speaking ofc 16:46:14 <TrueBrain> # You're beautiful 16:49:31 <Prof_Frink> Awww, thanks 16:51:35 *** trebuchet [~Trebuchet@69.51.104.87] has joined #openttd 16:51:45 <TrueBrain> # Too far from the sidewalk 16:53:27 <Muxy> so what should i call in order to trigger a paint event and an OnPaint() call for a window ? 16:54:27 <SmatZ> dirty windows are redrawn in one pass 16:54:50 <SmatZ> eg. you make windows dirty and they are later redrawn and screen is updated 16:55:11 <TrueBrain> # I can laugh about it 16:55:21 <SmatZ> :( 16:55:39 <Muxy> so when i need a window to be drawn, i set it dirty with SetWindowClassesDirty (need to repaint all window of my class) 16:56:09 <TrueBrain> # Haar naam is Anna en ligt hier in de sloooooott 16:59:32 <TrueBrain> # Where did I go wrong 17:09:51 <Alberth> Muxy: yes 17:11:23 <Muxy> Alberth: thx, in fact i need to invalidate some data before painting, that was my problem 17:11:35 <Alberth> the lyrics are bad, and the rhyme can be improved? 17:11:40 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: somewhere in Sweden? 17:12:26 <Alberth> Muxy: in general it is better to call invalidate on the window, so it can handle its updating of the data 17:12:50 <Alberth> SetDirty() is only intended to force a repaint, nothing else 17:13:06 <Muxy> well in my case its all the windows belonging to my class who need to be refreshed 17:13:20 <Muxy> so all window data to invalidate 17:14:55 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:14:56 <Alberth> InvalidateWindowClassesData(WindowClass cls, int data) ? 17:15:18 <Muxy> some of, but does it exists ? 17:15:38 <Alberth> it is in my generated documentation :) 17:15:43 <Muxy> found 17:15:50 <Muxy> not the doc but hte func 17:20:36 *** xahodo [~xander@energy.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:20:44 <xahodo> Hello 17:21:06 <Alberth> hello 17:21:08 <xahodo> I hit an assertion. 17:21:38 <xahodo> Also lost the password to my flyspray account :( 17:23:06 <Alberth> there is no 'email me my pwd?' 17:23:33 <Alberth> you could do a search for the assert to check whether it is reported before 17:23:46 <Zuu> Flyspray uses the centeralized account system. 17:23:59 <Rubidium> what's the assert, what's your version and what were you doing? 17:24:18 <Zuu> Which do not yet let you chnage password, and I would be surprised if it can reset lost passwords. 17:24:36 <Rubidium> Alberth: if there isn't one, then I'd blame TrueBrain for not having finished that :) 17:24:47 <xahodo> I forgot to try on a clean game, trying now. 17:25:04 <Rubidium> clean as in unpatched? 17:25:15 <glx> Zuu: I can change my password without problems ;) 17:25:16 <Alberth> fine by me :) 17:26:00 <Zuu> Oh, so TB has added that recently. Or do you do that by accessing the database directly? 17:26:28 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 17:26:29 <glx> passwd in ssh session ;) 17:30:06 <Alberth> Zuu: as always, I hack the machine, pull the user data base, change my passwd, and overwrite the old db 17:36:48 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DEDD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:37:21 <xahodo> I've reproduced the crash in a clean new game on r20782 on both linux and windows. 17:37:36 <xahodo> Here's a pastebin link: http://pastebin.com/yth73nbm 17:38:13 <xahodo> Open the station window of an oil rig, and close that window -> crash 17:38:46 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-87-102-19-27.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:39:24 <glx> xahodo: you use the wrong extra grf (not the one included in nightly) 17:42:04 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-87-102-19-27.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:43:18 <xahodo> which "extra" grf? 17:44:27 <Rubidium> "openttd.grf" 17:45:03 <glx> (but probably not related to the assert) 17:45:15 <Rubidium> nope, not related to the assert 17:45:29 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20785 /trunk/src/station_gui.cpp: -Fix: crash when closing the station view of oilrigs (similar to r20774) 17:45:33 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r20786 /trunk/src/lang/ (6 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 17:45:33 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:33 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: finnish - 1 changes by jpx_ 17:45:33 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: ido - 1 changes by Edwardo 17:45:33 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: italian - 1 changes by lorenzodv 17:45:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: portuguese - 6 changes by ABCRic 17:45:37 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: serbian - 1 changes by etran 17:46:01 <xahodo> thanks for the quick fix Rubidium. 17:52:46 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has joined #openttd 17:59:36 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:59:58 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-19-27.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:06:05 *** xahodo [~xander@energy.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:10:38 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-19-27.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:14:46 *** keoz [~keikoz@418pc.wohnheimg.uni-frankfurt.de] has joined #openttd 18:15:05 <avdg> :p ido again with only 1 fix 18:16:21 <Rubidium> every fix helps and it looks like he started at 19:44 18:16:33 <avdg> hmm I see 18:16:36 <avdg> 19 pending 18:17:06 <avdg> well, hard to raise if you only have 10% 18:17:53 <avdg> I've done some translations at wordpress, and its really guessing which word should be used 18:18:57 <Rubidium> if you're a bit handy with grep and skimming source code it should be fairly easy to find out where the strings are used 18:19:02 <Rubidium> or at least most of them 18:19:33 <Rubidium> in any case, I've seen the Chinese do 1000+ strings on a day 18:19:35 <avdg> bweh, wp used an online version, what made the job even harder for programmers imo 18:19:49 <avdg> thats impressive 18:20:05 <avdg> for volunteer I bet 18:20:55 <avdg> looks almost that a pro is doing it 18:20:58 <avdg> :p 18:21:05 <SmatZ> army of workers 18:21:11 <avdg> :p 18:47:42 *** azaghal [~azaghal@109.207.46.228] has joined #openttd 18:52:24 *** X-2 [~X-2@5ED67292.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:52:56 *** wollollo [~martin@host86-175-29-209.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #openttd 18:54:22 *** X-2 [~X-2@5ED67292.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 18:55:02 *** davis [~b@p5B28A40A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:17:29 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc0f99.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:26:22 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 19:34:01 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA4D0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:35:38 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 19:44:50 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc0f99.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:45:38 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA4D0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:49:04 *** madgerm [~madgerm@i59F5E91E.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 19:49:08 <madgerm> nabend 19:49:22 <madgerm> sry hi 19:51:46 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@185.116.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 19:53:27 <Alberth> good evenng 19:53:32 <Alberth> *evening 20:08:40 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 20:10:35 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:20:03 *** Chillosophy [~fu@82-170-139-109.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:21:12 <ccfreak2k> This Lemote Yeeloong laptop is weird with its mipsel CPU, but I sort of want it. 20:21:21 <ccfreak2k> If only there was a desktop computer edition. 20:21:46 <azaghal> Rubidium: Hm... Where would the console part for dedicated server be? 20:22:03 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:27:50 <azaghal> Ah, found it. 20:28:18 <azaghal> You know, I'm curious about one thing - why is it all cpp files while it seems to be more of a C program? 20:31:24 <SpComb> it was originally pure C 20:31:31 <azaghal> Nvm, my bad, there's classes :) 20:31:35 <SpComb> now there's bits of C++ mixed in 20:31:36 <azaghal> Just lots of C stuff too. 20:32:39 <Alberth> C is a subset of C++ :) 20:32:59 <SpComb> lies 20:32:59 <trebuchet> Why the addition of C++? 20:33:12 <SpComb> 'cause it's better 20:33:14 <SpComb> next 20:33:45 <Alberth> templates and inheritance are useful every now and then 20:34:05 *** welshdragon [~dragon@millsie.net] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 20:34:26 <trebuchet> Hmm, I suppose it is nice for a game. I'm glad my OS kernel isn't written in it. 20:34:37 <trebuchet> bbl 20:34:38 <Alberth> what is "C stuff" exactly? 20:34:47 *** welshdragon [~dragon@millsie.net] has joined #openttd 20:35:04 <trebuchet> Well nm, don't have to go. 20:35:16 <trebuchet> Alberth: I don't know what you're referencing. 20:35:19 <trebuchet> <ccfreak2k> This Lemote Yeeloong laptop is weird with its mipsel CPU, but I sort of want it. 20:35:39 <trebuchet> It has no proprietary firmware and the BIOS is FOSS. 20:35:51 <Alberth> for performance critical parts, we use simple C-like things so the compiler can optimize it well 20:35:51 <azaghal> Alberth: Well, things like fgets etc, I guess 20:35:53 <trebuchet> I have it and it is nice. The keyboard has good feedback and the form factor is right. 20:36:25 <trebuchet> I bought mine from FreedomIncluded, ccfreak2k. A US reseller, however there are others in the AU/EU/UK, I think Tekmote sells out of the neatherlands. 20:37:53 <trebuchet> ccfreak2k: I'm sure you've seen this, but I don't see why it can't be used as a desktop: http://www.lemote.com/en/products/mini-computer/2010/0310/111.html 20:38:17 <ccfreak2k> trebuchet, have not seen that. 20:38:28 <trebuchet> Ah, ok. 20:38:29 <ccfreak2k> I was just looking at the laptop at freedomincluded. 20:39:00 * Rubidium dislikes those EEE-PC style computers. They're too small for my fingers (or are the Japanese models even significantly smaller?) 20:39:15 <trebuchet> There is also this: http://www.lemote.com/en/products/all-in-one/2010/0311/122.html 20:44:53 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:47:57 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 20:48:06 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:56:59 *** perk111 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 21:00:56 *** perk11111 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 21:02:58 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:06:04 *** perk111 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:13:42 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 21:17:58 *** perk11111 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:23:26 *** GT [~GT@rt-scb-9f41.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 21:25:22 <GT> profiling is always fun: how is this possible? Flat profile: 21:25:22 <GT> Each sample counts as 0.01 seconds. 21:25:22 <GT> % cumulative self self total 21:25:22 <GT> time seconds seconds calls ms/call ms/call name 21:25:22 <GT> 37.00 0.37 0.37 7640 0.05 0.05 void Blitter_32bppOptimized::Draw<(BlitterMode)1>(Blitter::BlitterParams const*, ZoomLevel) 21:25:22 <GT> 13.00 0.50 0.13 73463 0.00 0.00 Blitter_32bppOptimized::Draw(Blitter::BlitterParams*, BlitterMode, ZoomLevel) 21:25:31 <azaghal> Any peculiar reason why DedicatedHandleKeyInput is called before GameLoop? 21:25:39 <azaghal> (in video/dedicated_v.cpp) 21:27:12 <GT> ie why is one Draw executed 10 times more often than the other one? Does not seem possible 21:31:00 <ccfreak2k> Wrapper or overloading? 21:33:23 <GT> no, template 21:34:21 *** perk111 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 21:34:52 <GT> so the 2nd call should always result in the first, unless blittermode is not set, which it is 21:35:36 *** Lurimax [~quassel@39.9.34.95.customer.cdi.no] has joined #openttd 21:38:21 <GT> else a NOT_REACHED error would be given, and I dont get that 21:38:45 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:48:54 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe86de00-246.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 21:48:58 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@185.116.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:50:45 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@185.116.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 21:51:35 <GT> maybe the optimizing compile flags confuse the profiler, I dont know if configuring with enable_profiling disables optimizing 21:55:26 <Rubidium> profiling only enables some -gprof or similar flags and sets optimising (IIRC) 21:56:03 <Rubidium> oh, the optimising thing isn't true anymore 21:56:28 <Rubidium> it just adds the -p and -pg flags to resp. CFLAGS and LDFLAGS 21:57:59 <Rubidium> GT: HandleKeyInput is called just before the gameloop to reduce "lag" betwen entered commands and handling them 21:58:14 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.23.88] has joined #openttd 21:58:41 <GT> ? you probably meant azaghal 21:58:57 <Rubidium> hmm, oh... there was someone talking in between :) 21:58:57 <azaghal> Yeah :) 21:58:58 * TrueBrain makes scary sounds and goes to bed 21:59:48 <GT> goodnight 22:00:20 <azaghal> Hm... I replaced stdin with _console_input stuff (FILE descriptor, CLI options etc), but for some reason, when using a fifo, I _must_ do an echo into fifo before it starts up the server :/ 22:01:06 <GT> I also have great variation in profiling results (like a factor 10), makes it hard to judge the results. 22:01:27 <Rubidium> how long are you running the test for? 22:01:41 <GT> Couple of minutes 22:01:47 <Rubidium> with fast forward? 22:01:49 <GT> no 22:02:09 <GT> in general though, using ints in the blitter is faster than fp 22:02:32 <GT> on my config that is of course 22:03:36 <Rubidium> that explains why the profile is only about 1 second, although even that's odd 22:03:56 <GT> agreed 22:03:58 <Rubidium> in any case, due to the way the profiler works the results might get pretty odd indeed 22:05:24 *** trebuchet [~Trebuchet@69.51.104.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:05:32 <GT> also kind of not nice is the fact that the draw takes up 37 percent of the time 22:06:33 <GT> Do you OTTD-devs have a specific sequence of performing user actions when profiling? 22:08:40 <Rubidium> depending on what you want to test, but generally it's just loading a particular savegame 22:09:05 <Rubidium> in this case that'd be a savegame with lots of movement in the viewport 22:09:31 <Rubidium> though a relatively small savegame as you're really interested in the drawing and not the pathfinding and such 22:10:09 <azaghal> Hm... When using fifo, I have to use O_NONBLOCK for opening it. 22:10:52 <Rubidium> never used fifo, so got absolutely no clue about it 22:11:04 <azaghal> Rubidium: Would you be interested in a patch for reading console input from a file (think of fifo on *nix platforms for forking the process to background, and sending commands to it through it)? 22:13:43 <Rubidium> azaghal: personally not, but that's just because I don't really see the point in adding a slight variant of what is currently already possible 22:14:47 <glx> a wrapper script can do that already ;) 22:15:23 <azaghal> I know it can. But it'd be easier this way. 22:15:53 <azaghal> And I'd get to use start-stop-daemon in all of its glory :) 22:16:48 <Rubidium> I'd see more in dihedral's work using plain sockets to control the server 22:17:41 <Rubidium> as that works on other OSes as well and allows access remotely 22:20:17 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA4D0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:21:06 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 22:21:18 <ABCRic> hmm... English (US) 95.7 % complete 147 untranslated <-- That doesn't sound right... :P 22:22:18 <azaghal> Rubidium: Linkies or something? 22:22:27 <ABCRic> Exactly how many English (US) translators have we got? 22:22:28 <ccfreak2k> azaghal, for a FIFO pipe that doesn't sound suprising. 22:22:37 <ccfreak2k> The call probably just pulls whatever is in the pipe. 22:22:43 <azaghal> ccfreak2k: Yes, checked the man page, it was meant like that :) 22:23:52 <Rubidium> azaghal: I fear it's primarily file:///home/rubidium/irclogs/oftc/dihedral.log 22:24:02 <azaghal> Heh 22:24:11 <azaghal> Ok... 22:24:45 <azaghal> I need your IP address, username, password, and sshd setup on top of your machine with port 22 open :) 22:24:53 <Rubidium> although I've mentioned something similar quite often on the forum; people want to control their server and the current networked implementations waste a client socket 22:25:00 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:25:21 <Rubidium> (and a lot of bandwidth/CPU for unneeded stuff for bots) 22:25:39 <azaghal> I'd work on it, to be honest, if I had any clue at all about socket programming ;) 22:25:45 <azaghal> The closest thing I got to is Boost.Asio 22:26:38 <Rubidium> I'd also reckon that it would be fairly easy to write a simple program to connect to an OpenTTD server and "play" with it like it were a non-forked dedicated server 22:27:05 <Rubidium> in any case, ask dihedral whether he could use more help; you wouldn't need to really look at the sockets and such 22:27:37 <azaghal> Oh, I better stay clear, I'm stalling a MMORPG as it is already ;) 22:27:53 *** perk111 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 22:28:00 <Rubidium> it'd be primarily focussed on the actual creating/handling of packets with data 22:28:47 <Rubidium> ABCRic: from the top of my head I'd say about 1 22:29:22 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 22:29:25 <ABCRic> Rubidium: wow, it sure is a popular language!... 22:29:32 <Rubidium> oh sorry, I lied... there are two (inactive) American translators 22:31:36 <ABCRic> and 2 active Portuguese translators :D 22:34:59 *** Sacro1 [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-19-45.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:35:16 <ABCRic> good night y'all 22:35:20 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@185.116.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Quit: Sometimes I wonder why that frisbee is getting bigger, and suddenly, it hits me.] 22:40:20 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:41:08 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-30f3e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:42:12 <Terkhen> good night 22:42:21 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-19-27.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:47:14 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [Quit: asilv] 22:48:02 *** X-2 [~X-2@5ED67292.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:53:49 *** elmz [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:56:01 *** last_evolution [~last_evol@ip-86-49-60-58.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:01:14 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:20:28 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.23.88] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:22:47 *** TomyLobo [~foo@port-212-202-171-176.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: A key, command, or action that tells the system to return to a previous state or stop a process.] 23:23:00 *** Lurimax [~quassel@39.9.34.95.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:33:16 <Wolf01> 'night 23:33:26 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host28-234-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:37:34 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:38:55 *** keoz [~keikoz@418pc.wohnheimg.uni-frankfurt.de] has quit [Quit: keoz] 23:55:07 *** Sacro1 [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-19-45.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:55:11 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.18.175.38] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3]