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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 07:23:45 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:25:18 *** GecK [Geck@pro75-3-82-229-184-63.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 07:25:20 <GecK> hi 07:31:19 <Terkhen> good morning 07:32:23 <robotboy> hello 07:37:25 *** SERGEY_ZP [~kyklish@195.114.149.22] has joined #openttd 07:46:18 <SERGEY_ZP> Please, look at this page http://wiki.openttd.org/Ãòà á/Ru , there are no RU flag, but on EN page http://wiki.openttd.org/Headquarters both flags are present. What I do wrong on RU page? 07:50:29 <Eddi|zuHause> SERGEY_ZP: you don't have unicode set up, so we can't read the first link 07:51:04 <Yexo> Eddi|zuHause: you can go there from the second link, just click the russian flag 07:51:15 <Yexo> http://wiki.openttd.org/%D0%A8%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%B1/Ru 07:51:20 <Yexo> ^^ does that work for you? 07:51:21 <Eddi|zuHause> Yexo: yes 07:51:40 <Yexo> the strange thing is that it works if you go to edit page, preview 07:52:41 <SERGEY_ZP> yes, work 07:53:34 <Eddi|zuHause> SERGEY_ZP: i don't see anything obviously wrong. maybe it's a bug in the wiki 07:54:07 <SERGEY_ZP> ok, thanks 07:55:16 * andythenorth proposes a new cb 07:55:29 <andythenorth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=50122 07:58:26 <dihedral> morning.... 07:58:54 <VVG> actual link lists /Ru with R uppercase, while in edit it's lowercase, does that matter? if you go to /ru link, page does not exists 07:59:17 <dihedral> andythenorth, are you sure you want the first word in your forum thread title to be "Request"? 07:59:50 <dihedral> VVG, i assume that's the wiki right? 07:59:58 <dihedral> iirc all pages start with an uppercase letter 08:00:03 <andythenorth> dihedral: I've changed it to proposal 08:00:14 <dihedral> much better 08:00:23 <dihedral> the other word kinda is asking for 'flames' :-P 08:01:49 <SERGEY_ZP> Thanks for help VVG 08:02:31 <SERGEY_ZP> tag language_page=ru must be uppercase language_page=Ru 08:02:42 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host105-234-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 08:02:53 <Wolf01> morning 08:03:41 <VVG> Did you save your page? I don't see any difference and in edit preview it worked before anyway 08:04:18 <SERGEY_ZP> i save page several seconds ago 08:04:19 <Eddi|zuHause> the page shows correctly now 08:04:25 <VVG> yeah, just saw it 08:05:41 <planetmaker> good morning 08:06:51 * dihedral hopes that is not all google translate :-D 08:07:10 *** SERGEY_ZP [~kyklish@195.114.149.22] has left #openttd [] 08:07:35 <dihedral> good morning planetmaker 08:09:13 *** SERGEY_ZP [~kyklish@195.114.149.22] has joined #openttd 08:10:11 <planetmaker> hey dihedral 08:19:03 <planetmaker> hm... spammers in the forums 08:19:05 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D0AA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:19:05 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba8e5b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 08:20:01 <Eddi|zuHause> <SERGEY_ZP> tag language_page=ru must be uppercase language_page=Ru <-- now i'm convinced that it's a bug/missing feature in the wiki... 08:20:46 <Eddi|zuHause> all wikis i know should be case-agnostic in the first letter... 08:21:45 <SERGEY_ZP> i agree whith you 08:22:23 <robotboy> we seem to be getting a bit more spam on the forums lately during your night 08:22:24 <SERGEY_ZP> in other pages this tag used like language_page=ru and there no problems 08:22:31 *** Chrill [~Chrill@ip68-8-120-178.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:25:09 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-39f6e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 08:28:01 *** last_evolution [~last_evol@ip-86-49-60-58.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:34:11 <VVG> that's certainly curious. i browsed through a few russian pages and all work properly with lower case language_page 08:34:40 <VVG> if i knew before they should work with lower case, i wouldn't ever guesses uppercase might matter :9 08:36:11 *** avdg [~Adium@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 08:38:56 <SERGEY_ZP> :) 08:43:13 *** keoz [~keikoz@418pc.wohnheimg.uni-frankfurt.de] has quit [Quit: keoz] 08:57:55 *** X-2 [~Xaer0@5ED67292.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 09:07:00 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:13:32 <Eddi|zuHause> how much power should a PSU in a decent PC give? 09:13:55 <Eddi|zuHause> ... i mean they offer from 350W to 1000W... 09:14:08 <dihedral> 350 may cause issues, depending whats inside 09:14:16 <dihedral> 1000W is overkill (mostely) 09:14:23 <Eddi|zuHause> exactly 09:14:28 <Eddi|zuHause> but what's the "right" amount? 09:14:30 <dihedral> however, the PSU will only drain what it needs 09:14:42 <dihedral> for the 'right' amount you could start calculating 09:14:54 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: the answer to mb is 'bloomsmith' :P 09:14:55 <dihedral> usually you will be provided with those details when buying components :-P 09:14:57 <Eddi|zuHause> well, PSUs tend to have a bad conversion ratio when not at full load 09:15:22 <dihedral> there is a psu out there with 85% efficiency 09:16:46 <planetmaker> andythenorth: my dictionary doesn't have that :-( 09:17:11 <Terkhen> wikipedia redirects me to "blacksmith" 09:20:01 *** SERGEY_ZP [~kyklish@195.114.149.22] has left #openttd [] 09:21:18 <Eddi|zuHause> ... so does 430W suffice or should i rather go for 500W? 09:21:22 <andythenorth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=50122 09:28:22 *** [hta]specx [~opera@ip94-126-210-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 09:44:53 *** keoz [~keikoz@418pc.wohnheimg.uni-frankfurt.de] has joined #openttd 09:45:59 <ccfreak2k> Eddi|zuHause, depends on how much wattage all your components draw. 09:46:25 <ccfreak2k> Also the "conversion ratio" is power factor. 09:46:47 <ccfreak2k> Sometimes just shortened to "x% efficiency at y watts". 10:29:32 * dihedral enjoys generics in java ^^ 10:31:26 *** keoz [~keikoz@418pc.wohnheimg.uni-frankfurt.de] has quit [Quit: keoz] 10:37:18 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC459C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:38:10 <ccfreak2k> If you're feeling adventurous, you could poke at the wires in your PSU with an ammeter. 10:38:19 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8F6A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:39:25 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.87.89] has joined #openttd 10:40:20 * Zuu "enjoys" making a powerpoint presentation :-p 10:41:23 <dihedral> ouch 10:45:25 <planetmaker> keynotes :-P 10:46:01 <planetmaker> which reminds me... I need to prepare my justification to visit SmatZ :-P 10:46:07 <planetmaker> damn 10:47:29 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba8e5b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:51:20 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 10:52:52 *** LunarWolf [~LunarWolf@afx39.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 10:53:22 <LunarWolf> hi 10:53:30 <LunarWolf> a neded help 10:53:49 <LunarWolf> I serrching graf ECS vector 10:54:12 <Alberth> isn't that on bananas? 10:54:40 <Alberth> (main menu -> online content -> type "ECS" in the search box 10:54:43 <Alberth> ) 10:55:29 <planetmaker> it is 10:55:45 <LunarWolf> some graphics will not work because the lack of any ECS Vector 10:56:40 <Alberth> I don't understand that, what does "some graphics will not work" mean ? 10:57:19 <Alberth> perhaps post a picture at some imagebin ? 10:58:45 <Terkhen> LunarWolf: the vectors have to be added to the newgrf list in order 10:59:13 <LunarWolf> sry 10:59:55 <Terkhen> I don't remember which order, though :) 11:00:08 <VVG> afaik, town vector should first one out of all vectors, all others come after it 11:00:16 <VVG> should be* 11:00:26 <Terkhen> town -> basic -> all others IIRC 11:00:27 <Eddi|zuHause> they should be sorted by grf-id 11:00:46 <Eddi|zuHause> and you probably shouldn't add all of them 11:01:20 <LunarWolf> Error when booting graph: ECS Town vector must be loaded before ECS Agricultural vector. 11:01:35 <VVG> read up a few lines back 11:02:25 <Alberth> from the main menu, open the newgrf window, click on 'ECS town' and click at 'move up' until it is the first of the ECS grfs 11:03:26 <LunarWolf> omg 11:03:56 <LunarWolf> landing sequence 11:04:00 <LunarWolf> thanx 11:04:22 <VVG> wasn't it obvious from that error message? 11:05:09 <LunarWolf> yes, rearranged, and it's working 11:05:56 <planetmaker> VVG: that involves reading! 11:06:02 <Terkhen> :) 11:06:37 <planetmaker> reading comprehension. A skill ... vastly overestimated in default users 11:06:42 <planetmaker> (sorry, I'm mean, I know) 11:07:20 <LunarWolf> PS. For me, joined the college and doing something to expedite the 32bpp graphics 11:07:31 <planetmaker> I guess for the same reason all other red warning boxes in OpenTTD are also ignored. Click. Oh was there something? 11:07:37 <planetmaker> Never seen a thing... 11:07:46 <dihedral> interesting - selling a share on a network game, executes the CmdSellShare command twice...? 11:08:10 <Alberth> one for test, and one for doing? 11:08:31 <dihedral> ah - crap :-D 11:08:38 <planetmaker> but... does it need testing? 11:08:55 <planetmaker> buying: yes. But selling? 11:08:59 <Rubidium> selling shares you don't have? 11:09:03 <Alberth> you may not have enough money :p 11:09:06 <planetmaker> of course :-P 11:09:09 <Rubidium> selling shares in non-existant companies? 11:09:18 <dihedral> then i was sitting at the wrong line with my function call :-D 11:09:25 <planetmaker> Rubidium: it would even be realistic! :-P 11:09:42 <dihedral> planetmaker, shh, don't mention that word - you'll unleash the tiger 11:09:47 <planetmaker> trallala :-) 11:10:07 <planetmaker> dihedral: no worries. I'm plonked by that realism person ;-) 11:10:14 <Terkhen> it's safe unless you say it three times :P 11:10:38 <LunarWolf> I have done: OTTD LightSetup for maya 2011, anyone wants? 11:10:42 <Eddi|zuHause> dihedral: all 'Cmd's have an "if (DC_EXEC)" block 11:11:09 <dihedral> just noticed :) 11:11:11 <dihedral> thanks though 11:13:10 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 11:13:39 <LunarWolf> How to test everything, then I'll throw tutorial and forum. 11:14:11 *** fjb [~frank@p5485CFA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:14:13 <dihedral> talking of which - where would you like documentation Rubidium ? :-P 11:14:18 <fjb> Moin 11:17:49 <LunarWolf> Fish + Port 32bpp incoming :P 11:25:29 *** keoz [~keikoz@141.2.96.19] has joined #openttd 11:32:45 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-68-28.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:32:55 <andythenorth> ^ ?? 11:35:48 <LunarWolf> working on a graphic, This will in turn - Fish, Pord+addons, all ECS 11:36:15 <LunarWolf> Port* 11:36:19 *** LunarWolf [~LunarWolf@afx39.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 11:36:41 <andythenorth> I didn't 100% understand that, but nvm 11:36:44 <Alberth> 32bpp support for newgrf? 11:41:23 * andythenorth wonders how many colours of church there are in default graphics 11:41:59 *** keoz [~keikoz@141.2.96.19] has quit [Quit: keoz] 11:42:02 * andythenorth thinks a thatched roof on a forge might not be the wisest idea 11:42:57 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.163.76] has joined #openttd 11:43:07 * Hirundo guesses there is only one church sprite + a bunch of recolour sprites 11:48:09 <fjb> What are "lickable pixels"? 11:48:56 <andythenorth> it's a phrase borrowed from Steve Jobs and highly not original :| 11:48:58 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.184.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:50:45 * andythenorth wonders if Lunarwolf is recreating Fish ships in Maya 11:51:02 <andythenorth> that would be....interesting. As most of the ships are based on 3D renders :P 11:51:08 <fjb> But what is the meaning of that phrase? 11:51:39 <andythenorth> they look so tasty you want to lick the screen 11:53:25 <fjb> Oh no... 11:56:04 <planetmaker> andythenorth: three colours 11:56:09 <planetmaker> using re-colour property 11:56:20 <andythenorth> thanks 11:57:15 <fjb> Hm, now there are at leat three railway track sets. Which one to use? 11:57:27 <planetmaker> fjb: of course swedish rails :-P 11:57:48 <fjb> Ah, yes, I would have guessed that answer. :) 11:57:54 <planetmaker> </shameless plug> ;-) 11:58:06 <planetmaker> it really depends what you want 11:58:17 <planetmaker> nutracks has A LOT of track types 11:58:24 <planetmaker> se rails just re-defines rail an e-rail 11:58:33 <fjb> So what is the diffenrence in this sets? 11:58:37 <planetmaker> the uk tracks modify the rails to narrow gauge 11:58:51 <fjb> Hm, that answers ma question. 11:58:52 <planetmaker> metro tracks add a 3rd rail. Usable with some train sets 11:59:00 <planetmaker> trans rapid is clear, too 11:59:09 <planetmaker> shanghai maglev is another maglev. Nicer looking 11:59:16 <planetmaker> but those were at least 5 :-P 11:59:42 <planetmaker> Swedish rails offer the best snow support and nice fences ;-) 11:59:45 <fjb> Which of the track sets use the new track set feature? SE tracks, Nutracks and British tracks I guess. 11:59:49 <planetmaker> and: nicest depots :-P 11:59:57 <planetmaker> all of those 12:00:11 <planetmaker> others I didn't consider 12:00:12 <fjb> That is nice. 12:00:29 <Ammler> the special feature of nutracks are different speeds, don't know, if the other support such things 12:00:30 <planetmaker> others are not "worth it anymore" ;-) 12:00:43 <planetmaker> I think the others don't 12:00:57 <planetmaker> besides, you can use nutracks + se rails in parallel 12:01:04 <Ammler> but the graphics might not be complete or perfect ;-) 12:01:07 <planetmaker> but then you'll have the se rails replace the slowest track type 12:01:12 * fjb hopes for a road set feature. 12:01:34 <planetmaker> peter1138 seems to be in hiatus :-( 12:02:27 <fjb> May be he comes back when it gets cold outside. 12:04:53 <fjb> The new NewGRF window is great. 12:06:57 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 12:08:23 <fjb> Is UKRS2 playable yet? 12:08:46 <Chris_Booth> UKRS2 is on bananas so i would assume so 12:08:55 <Chris_Booth> was it ever unplayable? 12:10:05 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:10:55 <fjb> With only some early vehicles I considered it not really playable, only for testers. 12:11:25 <Chris_Booth> fjb that is true it is not complete. it is only a tester 12:11:48 <Chris_Booth> it is not a full UKRS replacement yet 12:12:01 <Chris_Booth> and has no UKRS release date at the moment 12:12:09 <Chris_Booth> this can all be found on pikkas webiste 12:13:37 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:145e:f1ea:1fa0:646f] has joined #openttd 12:13:38 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:13:38 *** rTypo [rTypo@pc54.clicknet.iasi.rdsnet.ro] has joined #openttd 12:14:17 <fjb> FIRS and FISH are also not complete but really playable. That is why I asked. 12:16:09 <Chris_Booth> I understand what you are saying fjb. Its a shame you can't use UKRS + UKRS2 12:16:19 <Chris_Booth> then have the nice new sprite for the engines upto 1970 12:16:28 <Chris_Booth> then just the old prites after that 12:24:04 *** sparr [sparr@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:29:09 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.10/20100914125854]] 12:30:22 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 12:31:26 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 12:33:41 <Eddi|zuHause> use it with daylength x4 or x8, then you can have long lasting games until 1970 12:51:14 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fdba7.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 13:06:02 <fjb> Quak frosch123 13:06:56 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:07:39 <frosch123> moin fjb :) 13:11:17 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe83de00-38.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:13:38 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-39f6e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:16:29 *** SERGEY_ZP [~kyklish@195.114.149.22] has joined #openttd 13:18:08 *** SERGEY_ZP [~kyklish@195.114.149.22] has left #openttd [] 13:19:30 *** SERGEY_ZP [~kyklish@195.114.149.22] has joined #openttd 13:20:03 *** SERGEY_ZP [~kyklish@195.114.149.22] has left #openttd [] 13:21:24 <frosch123> "Froshc, really u are the game developer?? I love you work!!" <- lol 13:21:58 *** psorek [~psorek@77-254-173-153.adsl.inetia.pl] has joined #openttd 13:22:10 <SmatZ> :D 13:22:11 <psorek> hi 13:22:22 <psorek> when can i get 13:22:32 <SmatZ> nice to hear that, frosch123 :) 13:22:35 <psorek> rpm pack of openttd 1.0.4? 13:22:41 <Terkhen> :) 13:22:58 <frosch123> SmatZ: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=904084#p904084 in case you haven't seen it 13:22:59 <Terkhen> hi psorek 13:23:09 <SmatZ> :) 13:23:36 <psorek> hi 13:23:41 <psorek> not -rc1 13:23:43 *** Amis [~Amis@catv-89-135-77-239.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 13:24:34 <frosch123> afaik we do not have rpms, only deb and tgz-ile archives 13:25:10 <frosch123> *tgz-like 13:25:12 <Amis> Hello! 13:25:49 <Terkhen> hello Amis 13:26:20 <Amis> When starting a new game if I set no. of industries to none will no industries be constructed during gameplay? 13:26:44 <SmatZ> Amis: Alberth is working on a patch that will do that, I think 13:27:10 <andythenorth> quak 13:27:10 <Amis> But now it just means I start without industries and later theyll show up 13:27:13 <Amis> right? 13:27:33 <Terkhen> yes 13:27:39 <Amis> Thank you 13:28:02 <heffer> Ammler: will there be a 0.3.1 of opengfx soonish? or should i just patch in my spec file the makefile until 0.3.1 is out? 13:28:36 <Ammler> planetmaker: ^ 13:28:53 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8F6A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:29:17 <Ammler> afaik, the "issues" are fixed in nightly 13:29:54 <Ammler> except the md5 test 13:30:05 <Ammler> which never was working :-) 13:30:12 <andythenorth> frosch123: how do I forbid a layout but allow the construction routine to try another one? 13:30:48 <frosch123> ottd always tries all layouts 13:30:52 <andythenorth> if I return anything but 0400 to cb 28 the construction will fail 13:31:02 <frosch123> it starts at a random one and then tries all layouts 13:31:09 <andythenorth> hmm 13:31:13 *** weirdy [~SkeedR@94-193-221-98.zone7.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:31:15 <andythenorth> and when player funds? 13:31:16 <Ammler> heffer: what would you need to patch? 13:31:27 *** psorek [~psorek@77-254-173-153.adsl.inetia.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:31:36 <Ammler> the install executable or soemthing else? 13:31:52 <frosch123> the same. if there are n layouts it will start a random first one. then it tests layouts random to n, and then 1 to random - 1 13:31:58 <frosch123> the first one succeeding is build 13:32:07 <heffer> yes they are. that's why i'm asking. i'm just not too keen to package a prerelease version for the official repos 13:32:16 <heffer> the make files 13:32:26 <heffer> they give me some errors about sh getting wrong parameters 13:32:33 <andythenorth> frosch123: thanks. I might test it later. 13:32:47 <andythenorth> it's not how I understood cb28 to work :o 13:37:39 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.63.172] has joined #openttd 13:38:26 *** LaSeandre [~sean@millsie.net] has joined #openttd 13:38:43 <Ammler> heffer: I will ask pm to release a bugfix version this weekend... 13:38:55 <heffer> Ammler: that'd be great, thanks 13:40:41 *** weirdy [~SkeedR@94-193-221-98.zone7.bethere.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 13:42:42 <Eddi|zuHause> <frosch123> the same. if there are n layouts it will start a random first one. then it tests layouts random to n, and then 1 to random - 1 <--- that means "easy" to place layouts should be spread out over the layout-spectrum, not clustered. because the first one in the cluster would get preference 13:43:07 <Eddi|zuHause> similar to how ufos annoyingly always land on the same spot 13:43:24 <Eddi|zuHause> if only a small part of the map is covered with rails 13:43:49 <frosch123> yes 13:44:15 <frosch123> though i am not sure whether you can divide the layouts into easy and hard placeable 13:47:27 <Eddi|zuHause> well, if you think ECS tourist centers, then the castle neuschwanstein is hard placeable :) 13:48:06 <frosch123> rather "not even worth trying"-placeable 13:50:45 <glx> Eddi|zuHause: it's easy if you prepare the land :) 13:51:36 <glx> but yes george was crazy when he wrote this newgrf 13:52:23 *** azaghal [~azaghal@109.207.46.46] has joined #openttd 13:53:16 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: actually, just code a method to let newgrfs provide a required landshape, so ottd can terraform for them 13:53:44 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.63.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:02:02 <fjb> Aree there track aware bridges yet? 14:05:58 <azaghal> Track-aware? 14:06:48 <fjb> Track type aware. 14:07:24 <Ammler> the railtype sets do overlay their tracks 14:09:42 <fjb> So they are not usable with a bridge set? 14:09:52 <Ammler> they should 14:10:01 <fjb> Ok, I will try. 14:10:13 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-68-28.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:10:21 <Ammler> it would be better if there are bridge sets without tracks maybe :-) 14:12:55 *** Hirundo is now known as everyone 14:13:07 *** everyone is now known as Hirundo 14:18:40 *** rTypo [rTypo@pc54.clicknet.iasi.rdsnet.ro] has quit [] 14:21:55 <Eddi|zuHause> make one ;) 14:22:05 <Eddi|zuHause> TBRS could use an update 14:28:04 *** rTypo [rTypo@pc54.clicknet.iasi.rdsnet.ro] has joined #openttd 14:31:11 *** Yexo [~Yexo@153-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:31:33 *** Yexo [~Yexo@153-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 14:36:11 <fjb> Oh opengfs has hay bales now. :-) 14:37:46 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-9ff6e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 14:39:17 <fjb> And FIRS has big red somethings... 14:40:03 <frosch123> also blue ones iirc :) 14:40:58 <fjb> Only found the red ones yet. Now looking for the blue. 14:42:08 <fjb> Oh, fishing grounds. Didn't I see some sailing ships on the forum some days ago? 14:42:56 <fjb> Found a kind of purple something. 14:51:44 <Eddi|zuHause> that's the smithery... 14:52:04 <Eddi|zuHause> which accepts iron ore 14:52:09 <Eddi|zuHause> which is a huge scandal! 14:52:46 <Eddi|zuHause> (according to HIM) 15:00:00 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-6-43.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 15:07:03 <fjb> Hm? Scandal? 15:08:26 <Eddi|zuHause> well... you know HIM ;) 15:08:32 <fjb> Windmills! 15:09:04 <fjb> Which of the HIMs I'm now thinking of? 15:09:22 <fjb> The ECS inventor? 15:09:34 <__ln__> The HIM that is listed under "German Rock" or something on PS3's VidZone service? 15:09:53 <Eddi|zuHause> HE whose name shall not be mentioned. 15:10:06 <fjb> So German is not all that wrong. 15:10:24 <__ln__> ah, you mean HIM. 15:10:51 <fjb> But why is it a scandal? 15:11:27 <Eddi|zuHause> because a smith consumes raw iron. raw iron is produced from iron ore in foundaries 15:11:34 <Eddi|zuHause> foundries? 15:11:37 <Eddi|zuHause> whatever 15:11:50 <Eddi|zuHause> it's HUGELY unrealistic 15:14:05 <fjb> The whole game is unrealistic... 15:16:22 *** lobstah is now known as lobster 15:18:31 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: did I miss something? I was away until just now :P 15:18:47 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: nothing to see here. move along :p 15:19:44 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: I did a little historical research 15:20:06 <andythenorth> it's quite plausible for a bloomsmith to both smelt the ore, produce the basic iron blooms, and then work it 15:20:31 <andythenorth> in 1600s north america one smith might have run the whole process 15:24:25 <Eddi|zuHause> well... HIS research on pre-industrial iron processing, iron foundry was usually done close to an iron and wood source (e.g. in 1475 almost 40.000 people in the Oberpfalz [Bavaria] were employed directly or indirectly in iron foundry), while smith-able iron was produced in "hammer-works" usually found along rivers. 15:25:28 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:26:25 <fjb> Will there be a version of the sand pit with shovel equiped people? :-) 15:27:12 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-6-43.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:27:18 <andythenorth> fjb: maybe :P 15:27:27 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: ask him if the track gauge is accurate 15:28:16 <Eddi|zuHause> possibly interesting/boring/micromanagement nightmare twist to industry production: large industries from ~1840 to ~1980 need large amounts of people to work properly 15:28:28 <fjb> He cheated with the speed of one EMU in his famous train set... 15:28:54 <Eddi|zuHause> he cheated with more things than that ;) 15:29:16 <fjb> That is the most obvious. 15:29:59 <fjb> Number of pasengers is the other. 15:34:34 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D0AA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:45:06 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 15:49:20 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.15.18] has joined #openttd 15:51:21 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:51:43 *** Joni- [~Joni-@80.220.0.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:00:08 * andythenorth is puzzled 16:00:38 <andythenorth> frosch123: do the return values for this look correct? 16:00:38 <andythenorth> http://pastebin.com/vKstGSbE 16:04:30 <frosch123> yes 16:05:41 <andythenorth> ok good 16:05:54 <andythenorth> I always have trouble with things where 00 has to be written as 80 :P 16:06:08 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 16:06:21 <andythenorth> thanks 16:07:31 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-133-50.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:07:46 <Eddi|zuHause> need a macro "CALLBACK_RESULT(\w4)" that automatically sets bit 15... but that can't be done with the preprocessor... 16:08:54 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:14:28 <andythenorth> frosch123: I tested cb28 with some layouts not allowed 16:14:39 <andythenorth> fails :( 16:14:47 <andythenorth> player has to keep trying to build 16:15:49 <andythenorth> one possibility is that I've done it wrong :P 16:17:42 <dihedral> for the german speaking folk out there: http://www.youtube.com/koalakombat#p/u/24/CEmFdPtK3sk 16:20:23 * andythenorth reads source 16:20:42 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 16:23:03 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:24:05 <Eddi|zuHause> ok. that does it. /me puts dihedral on The List 16:24:17 <Chris_Booth> the list Eddi|zuHause ? 16:24:21 <dihedral> the ignore list 16:24:29 <dihedral> looks like Eddi totally did not like the link 16:24:30 <Eddi|zuHause> not the list 16:24:32 <Eddi|zuHause> The List 16:24:36 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-133-50.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:24:41 <Chris_Booth> ooh poor dihedral 16:24:45 <Chris_Booth> I will talk to you dih 16:25:04 <dihedral> as if Eddi|zuHause talked that much with me :-P 16:25:17 <Chris_Booth> lol then its no big loss 16:25:31 <Chris_Booth> I like The List. I am lots of Lists 16:25:42 <andythenorth> brr 16:25:51 * andythenorth looks for code that handles cb28 16:25:51 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:26:07 <dihedral> shame though - Eddi|zuHause usually has good thoughts regarding patches ^^ 16:26:38 <Chris_Booth> dihedral: you are on my List (The coolest person on openTTD list) 16:26:48 * fjb wonders if Eddi|zuHause once had a horn at his nose... 16:27:02 <dihedral> Chris_Booth, that kinda sounds scary 16:27:09 <frosch123> andythenorth: CmdBuildIndustry 16:27:38 <Chris_Booth> Yeah I didn't word that very well did I 16:27:47 <dihedral> nope :-P 16:27:55 <Chris_Booth> maybe I will think befor I type creepy messages next time 16:28:07 <Chris_Booth> otherwise I will end up on Your List 16:28:12 * dihedral wonders if Eddi|zuHause ignored * :-P 16:28:24 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. 16:28:25 <Eddi|zuHause> :P 16:28:29 <dihedral> :-D 16:28:42 <robotboy> gmorning 16:28:49 * robotboy is off to bed now 16:29:00 <Chris_Booth> Fuck just superglued my hand to my shoe 16:29:29 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think your problem is the creepy wording :p 16:29:38 <dihedral> lol 16:29:41 <Chris_Booth> lol nor do i now 16:29:55 <Chris_Booth> don't ever trust a stupent with glue 16:30:36 <Chris_Booth> s/stupent/student 16:31:02 <Chris_Booth> but stupent suits me better after what I just did 16:31:49 <dihedral> i usually get superglue quite well off of my fingers 16:31:58 * fjb imagines how Chris_Booth may be looking right now. 16:31:59 <dihedral> just peels off 16:32:03 <Chris_Booth> I have got it off now 16:32:16 <dihedral> and if all else fails "hornhaut raspel" 16:32:17 <Chris_Booth> put some thinners on it 16:32:54 *** Michael [~Xaer0@5ED67292.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:33:11 * Chris_Booth wonders what the person that invented superglue glued first? 16:33:33 *** Michael is now known as Guest1209 16:33:58 <andythenorth> frosch123: far as I can see, if cb28 prevents building, CmdBuildIndustry will never get to the layout iterator loop 16:34:06 <andythenorth> but I am just guessing :o 16:36:19 <Guest1209> oi oi =) 16:36:28 *** X-2 [~Xaer0@5ED67292.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:36:41 *** Guest1209 is now known as Xaer0 16:36:55 <Xaer0> ugh my irc is doing odd. 16:37:01 <frosch123> hmm, true, cb28 is not inside the loop 16:37:09 *** Xaer0 [~Xaer0@5ED67292.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has left #openttd [] 16:37:16 *** X-2 [~Xaer0@5ED67292.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:37:36 * andythenorth considers trying to patch that locally 16:38:23 <andythenorth> if cb28 happened inside CheckIfIndustryTilesAreFree that might work 16:38:31 <andythenorth> but it would be probably be hideous performance wise 16:38:57 <frosch123> better duplicate cb28 into the loop 16:39:04 <andythenorth> ...if an industry with many layouts checked (e.g.) vary 67 several times during cb28....wouldn't that be bad? 16:39:08 <frosch123> so it is only done when manually placing industries 16:39:27 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:39:35 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 16:39:37 <andythenorth> frosch123: I can provide a test grf :D 16:39:42 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:40:00 <frosch123> performance is only important for randomly placing lots of industries, and that does not need to check all layouts 16:40:31 <frosch123> feel free to create a fs task :) 16:40:51 <andythenorth> what should the task description be? 16:41:26 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba8e5b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:41:40 <Eddi|zuHause> "With Chuck Norris as actor, '300' would have been called '1'" :p 16:42:19 <dihedral> :-D 16:42:20 <dihedral> nice one 16:43:11 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:43:33 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:44:31 <Eddi|zuHause> "compilers are like french people. they always yell at you if you don't speak their language perfectly." 16:44:53 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:45:25 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: but they still do not prevent you talking bs 16:59:34 <fjb> Hm, SMIT and TBRS dislike each other. 17:01:54 *** [hta]specx [~opera@ip94-126-210-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:02:19 *** [hta]specx [~opera@ip94-126-210-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 17:04:22 <Eddi|zuHause> what the hell is a SMIT? 17:07:09 <fjb> Shanghai Maglev Inspired Track Set 17:07:38 <Eddi|zuHause> ... never heard of that 17:10:11 <fjb> Nice looking maglev tracks. 17:10:27 <Chris_Booth> sounds cool 17:10:38 <Chris_Booth> will have tgo try smit 17:11:40 <fjb> Be careful when you are using a bridge set. 17:13:19 <X-2> I always take electric trains, but I just disable the electric rails in the settings =) I don't like the maglev if you link 2 different lines together :/ 17:14:15 <Chris_Booth> I like Nutracks that is fun 17:14:22 <Chris_Booth> adds a new level to the game 17:14:41 <Eddi|zuHause> the more railtypes we have, the more important it'll get to fit two railtypes in parallel... 17:15:26 <Chris_Booth> or even 3 Eddi|zuHause. For example the new metro lines may be wanted to be mixed with normal rail and Erail 17:15:46 <Chris_Booth> but only for short distances near stations or junctions 17:17:18 <andythenorth> oops :m 17:17:30 <andythenorth> forgot to set the type, version etc. on fs 17:17:42 * andythenorth apologises 17:17:52 <fjb> Bad andythenorth 17:23:15 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host105-234-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 17:28:43 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-133-50.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:31:23 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D0AA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:32:43 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba8e5b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:35:42 <planetmaker> heffer: what problems did you get? 17:36:18 <planetmaker> Ammler: it'd be nice to know _what_ is expected to be fixed... 17:36:42 <planetmaker> *some* problems are always fixed 17:38:02 <Ammler> yes, nightly is fine 17:38:07 <Ammler> except the md5 17:39:00 <planetmaker> Ammler: I didn't see _what_ heffner had problems with 17:39:29 <Ammler> I assume the same as I had? 17:39:43 <Ammler> as it is rpm spec too 17:40:12 <planetmaker> it'd be nice to know, you know... 17:40:24 <planetmaker> assumptions about other people's bug are... prone to fail at times 17:40:31 <Ammler> yep, I thing, I have reported it 17:40:34 <Ammler> think* 17:40:37 <planetmaker> he didn't say 17:41:16 <planetmaker> And I don't appreciate to tell 'it's fixed when not even the problem is clear'. Though the install executable might be his issue, I'm not sure 17:41:30 <planetmaker> Can you please ask next time for the exact error? 17:41:36 <Ammler> that too and the unix2dos 17:41:53 <planetmaker> Having a double bug report doesn't hurt 17:42:16 <planetmaker> or you could ask him to check with trunk. 17:42:45 <planetmaker> if that works. all is fine. And I know that he 'just' wants a tag 17:43:08 <planetmaker> which might make sense in this case :-) 17:43:30 <Ammler> well, I didn't build 0.3.0 either, so I thought, it is the same 17:44:02 <Ammler> you didn't get any feedback from the debian guys? 17:44:23 <planetmaker> debian packager is mathijs / blathijs afaik 17:44:53 <planetmaker> not beyond what the initial ticket is where i copied the irc chat 17:45:02 <Ammler> heffers issue was mainly, if he shall build with the bugs or if it is worth to wait for bugfix release 17:45:17 <planetmaker> my issue is: I like to know what _he_ considers bugs 17:45:26 <Ammler> I told him to ask you for a release this weekend :-) 17:45:34 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r20824 /trunk/src/lang/ (galician.txt unfinished/marathi.txt): 17:45:34 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:34 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: galician - 13 changes by Condex 17:45:34 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: marathi - 1 changes by jcravi 17:46:00 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 17:46:04 <planetmaker> and I ask to please ask for a bug description next time instead of saying blindly 'it's fixed, pm will make a release' 17:46:43 <planetmaker> that may be the answer when the bug is clear. But before I know the issue... it's daring 17:46:52 <Ammler> I didn't say, you will, I said, I will ask you to 17:47:07 <Ammler> so if you don't, it is fine :-P 17:47:22 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host105-234-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:51:53 *** Chrill [Chrill@ip68-8-120-178.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 17:52:07 <Chrill> so 17:52:20 <Chrill> hm 17:52:23 <Chrill> wrong window, sorry 17:52:38 <Alberth> it's ok to stay here :) 17:52:56 <Chrill> no, I better run off before Rubidium gets hold of me :| 17:53:16 * planetmaker grabs Chrill 17:53:31 <Chrill> :( 17:53:42 <planetmaker> I can be bribed :-P 17:54:11 <Chrill> and you expect me to have in my possession something worth bribing with? 17:54:33 <planetmaker> who knows? ;-) 17:54:38 <Chrill> no 17:54:39 <Alberth> throwing a new planet always works :) 17:54:39 <Chrill> no no no 17:54:40 <Chrill> no :( 17:54:53 * Chrill makes planetmaker a planet? 17:55:09 <Alberth> he collects them :) 17:55:09 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 17:55:17 <Chrill> http://www.planetmaker.com.au/ 17:55:43 <planetmaker> hm... empty page for me. 17:55:53 <Chrill> yup 17:55:56 <Chrill> same here 17:56:16 <planetmaker> got the wrong one :-P 17:56:31 *** Joni- [~Joni-@dsl-vsabrasgw1-fe00dc00-41.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:00:58 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:01:16 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 18:03:55 *** olleman [~hellno@c80-216-148-101.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 18:16:33 *** NoSAD [He_boy@188.247.74.24] has joined #openttd 18:17:01 *** erani [eran-@garde.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:17:19 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 18:17:52 *** Chrill [Chrill@ip68-8-120-178.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [] 18:19:30 <Adambean> NoSAD spam bot gtfo 18:23:03 *** erani [eran-@garde.fi] has joined #openttd 18:30:24 <[hta]specx> hi all 18:30:53 <[hta]specx> planetmaker: willsoon find time to finish patch submission 18:31:00 <planetmaker> ? 18:31:25 <[hta]specx> for the unfinished nmldoc "patch" 18:31:26 <planetmaker> I have a very small short-term memory 18:31:29 <planetmaker> ah :-) 18:31:37 <planetmaker> nice 18:32:01 <planetmaker> you may have noticed that at least one of your images is already part of the docs 18:32:11 <[hta]specx> need some time to ovrview the workflow, then i'll put some more creative stuff in it 18:33:04 <[hta]specx> @seen Rubidium 18:33:04 <DorpsGek> [hta]specx: Rubidium was last seen in #openttd 7 hours, 23 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <Rubidium> selling shares in non-existant companies? 18:33:36 <planetmaker> oh, he'll love such highlights ;-) 18:34:04 <[hta]specx> ? 18:34:38 <Alberth> highlighting him without need 18:35:16 <Eddi|zuHause> more specifically: without asking a question/other context 18:35:34 <Alberth> if you want him to read something, just enter it in the channel. He'll read it when he is back 18:36:23 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba8e5b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:36:23 *** avdg [~Adium@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:36:29 <[hta]specx> => me is "highlighting" (?) when using @seen cmd? 18:37:04 *** avdg [~Adium@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:37:21 <Alberth> you typed his name, and Dorpsgek answered, again with his name 18:38:03 <Alberth> if you don't want that, don't use the channel, talk to Dorpsgek in private 18:38:09 <[hta]specx> sry, will use prvate 18:38:12 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 18:38:54 * Alberth still doesn't understand how @seen is useful at all 18:39:06 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba8e5b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:39:41 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: more listen, more understand, more know] 18:40:06 <[hta]specx> Rubidium: nice diff on newcompetition. The problem with competition testing - to test it thorough - is to be able to use it on live servers which are heavily being utilized 18:41:26 <[hta]specx> since in competition algorithm changes, totally unknown effects are possible affecting the competition mechanics of games... 18:44:11 <Rubidium> why do you think I want it to be tested before committing it to trunk and why I've built binaries for it? 18:44:58 <[hta]specx> Im wondering if current and testing algorhithms can be somehow added to trunk, marked as "testing algo", then over time upgraded to definitive choices, or removed at all 18:46:49 <Alberth> as in the binaries created by RB? 18:47:11 <blathijs> planetmaker: Ammler: Still need feedback on something in particular? 18:47:46 <Rubidium> not without adding stuff to OpenTTD's code that we can't remove later on 18:47:47 <[hta]specx> as in an algo selector in settings, allowing all kinds of algo's to be added to trunk (and therefore tested over longer coninutuos heavy gameplay) and 18:47:47 *** NoSAD [He_boy@188.247.74.24] has quit [autokilled: Spamming. Contact support@oftc.net for further information and assistance. (2010-09-18 18:47:46)] 18:48:30 <planetmaker> blathijs: mostly it'd be nice if packaging works with current trunk. 18:48:41 <Rubidium> e.g. the setting in the savegame, not to mention the wasted translation effort on the string in the settings 18:48:46 <planetmaker> But... try tomorrow. Not exactly now 18:48:56 <planetmaker> though even now might be helpful :-) 18:49:11 <planetmaker> I haven't yet completely adopted nforenum's system 18:49:14 <[hta]specx> upgraded to "definitive" algo when sufficient docs/testing is put in place 18:49:25 <planetmaker> but you can specify a separate DOCDIR 18:49:49 <Alberth> [hta]specx: rather than polluting trunk, a branch like done already is much better for experimenting imho 18:50:15 <Alberth> that's why branches exist 18:50:30 <[hta]specx> I second that for initial testing 18:50:50 <[hta]specx> no sucking patches in trunk 18:51:06 <planetmaker> that's why it is in the branch ;-) 18:53:19 <[hta]specx> there is a limit on how thorough you can test competition algo on branches, since not everyone plays using branches 18:54:02 <Alberth> so call it trunk with an additional patch 18:54:33 <[hta]specx> limit stays, no matter how you call it 18:54:46 <Rubidium> [hta]specx: and how is trunk different? It's not used for competition as well as far as I can see 18:54:57 <Rubidium> and testing this in 1.0.5 doesn't feel "right" to me 18:54:59 <andythenorth> Alberth: I like @seen 18:55:13 <andythenorth> I use it to figure out if someone might be asleep ;p 18:55:14 <Rubidium> I like @names :) 18:55:25 <planetmaker> [hta]specx: if you like to organize such event, #openttdcoop surely can provide a server 18:55:27 <Rubidium> andythenorth: it doesn't account for siestas 18:55:45 <planetmaker> @names Rubidium 18:55:50 <[hta]specx> better have all servers running with those algo's. 18:55:52 <planetmaker> seems pointless ;-) 18:55:53 <andythenorth> @names planetmaker 18:56:06 <Alberth> @andythenorth :) 18:56:08 <planetmaker> @names planetmaker 18:56:11 <planetmaker> hm 18:56:17 <[hta]specx> then see how it works out in all the different competition scenario's 18:56:36 <planetmaker> [hta]specx: that obviously is no option 18:56:41 <Chris_Booth> planetmaker: anything ever happen wwottdgd? 18:56:47 <planetmaker> Chris_Booth: no 18:56:51 <blathijs> planetmaker: I'll have a go with the current trunks, but that'll probably be in one or two weeks 18:56:52 <Rubidium> planetmaker: that's because it doesn't work for you; if it does, then it'll list all nicks in the channel 18:57:11 <planetmaker> oh. it's @nicks ? 18:57:40 <Rubidium> apparantly... 18:57:46 <Rubidium> http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/openttd/link/1233588137#1233588137 18:57:49 <Chris_Booth> maybe one day day 3 will be complete planetmaker 18:58:04 <planetmaker> maybe. Hopefully 18:58:30 <Chris_Booth> maybe I will re-incarntant my work on it 18:59:07 <Chris_Booth> but that is less than likely at the moment with my work load 19:13:37 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.15.18] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:18:35 *** uros [~chatzilla@cpe-92-37-63-86.dynamic.amis.net] has joined #openttd 19:22:31 *** welshdragon [~dragon@millsie.net] has left #openttd [Leaving] 19:23:26 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has joined #openttd 19:25:24 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:26:34 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: AS A VAGINA ONCE SAID: <yorick> SOMEONE BAN HIM] 19:35:39 <eQualizer> OpenTDD sooo heavy on linux. :((( Or then it's just my ooooold laptop. :(((( 19:35:53 <eQualizer> Xorg takes all the CPU 19:37:10 <Eddi|zuHause> you're probably missing 2D graphics acceleration 19:37:37 <eQualizer> Could be. But I have no idea how to enable that on Xubuntu. 19:37:53 <Eddi|zuHause> what does glxinfo tell you? 19:39:09 *** last_evolution [~last_evol@ip-86-49-60-58.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 19:41:00 <eQualizer> What should I look for? 19:42:58 <Eddi|zuHause> something that says "everything is shit!" 19:47:30 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 19:51:09 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8F6A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:52:04 * dihedral "oh my word"'s at forum reply 19:54:30 <Eddi|zuHause> Muxy probably has goal servers in mind... 19:54:44 <Muxy> Muxy has lot of things in mind 19:55:04 <Muxy> and has already a bot 19:55:12 <Eddi|zuHause> Muxy also talks about himself in the third person 19:55:23 <Eddi|zuHause> i think Muxy is himself a bot 19:55:59 <Muxy> aha 19:56:05 <dihedral> "not necessary to have particular protocol [...] use a bot slot (can hide from clients) [...] some extra "bot" paquet can be used" 19:56:07 <Eddi|zuHause> and alone skipping the savegame download needs a separate protocol 19:56:39 <dihedral> that's kinda what made me "oh my word" on it - as the entire post is a bunch of rubbish :-P 19:56:58 <dihedral> unless you try to read 'protocol' as 'network port' 19:57:13 <dihedral> then he could probably mean, run 2 protocols on the same port 19:57:30 <Muxy> Hey Mr Rubish Man is very healthy this evening 19:59:30 <dihedral> oh - he answered.... 19:59:44 * Muxy slaps dihedral with a Rubiks Segmentation Fault 19:59:56 <dihedral> i had a nice global ignore :-D 20:00:28 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe you need a Rube Goldberg Machine 20:01:02 <dihedral> anyway Muxy, these extra bot packets are what design the protocol, not the port ;-) 20:01:27 <dihedral> and it's exactly these extra bot packets that are in need of careful design 20:01:56 <dihedral> the network port is not in the scope of that thread ^^ 20:02:44 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:03:54 <dihedral> meaning: if you have useful ideas as to what may still be changed in those packets, or packets to add, that is welcome 20:04:03 *** rTypo [rTypo@pc54.clicknet.iasi.rdsnet.ro] has quit [] 20:04:38 <dihedral> and you can either post decent stuff, or wait for moderation ;-) 20:07:22 <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause, i think being a nuisance is his favorite quality, next to being a bot :-P 20:07:37 <dihedral> Muxy, there is also a 'delete' button in case you were looking for that 20:07:37 <Eddi|zuHause> i guess it's bad when in Siedler the Siedler aren't displayed. 20:08:08 <dihedral> :-P 20:08:15 <dihedral> defeats the purpose a little 20:09:10 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, kinda 20:09:30 <Eddi|zuHause> they look so cute ;) 20:09:35 *** TruePikachu [~chris@cpe-67-49-42-88.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 20:09:49 <dihedral> it's like playing command and conqueror without an army and no base ^^ 20:11:24 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 20:12:35 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't understand what's wrong thoug 20:12:48 <Eddi|zuHause> it's totally lagging, like if 3D acceleration is disabled 20:14:11 *** Amis [~Amis@catv-89-135-77-239.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:14:15 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know if it's the updating to wine 1.3.1 or my crazy attempts at hacking to circumvent the graphics driver bugs 20:21:18 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: Not here] 20:22:48 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 20:26:37 <dihedral> i really did have my hopes high that some community members were a bit more mature than that 20:30:48 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: Not here] 20:31:18 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 20:33:19 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: terkhen * r20825 /trunk/src/tree_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: Replace a few magic numbers by constants. 20:33:57 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:34:12 <eQualizer> Oh nice, I found solution why the game was laggy. 20:34:18 <eQualizer> Had something to do with 8bits graphics. 20:34:43 <eQualizer> Worked with this command: openttd -b 32bpp-simple 20:35:34 *** Nite [5472b1fc@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 20:35:50 <Rubidium> then you're even better of with 32bpp-optimized (it's more efficient than simple) 20:36:28 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: terkhen * r20826 /trunk/src/tree_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: Simplify code for generating more trees above the snowline. 20:36:43 <Rubidium> in any case, still is some sort of driver issue; the driver not supporting 8 bits graphics and emulating it *really* slowly 20:37:05 <Nite> Hi 20:37:08 <eQualizer> Yeah well, this laptop is 6 years old... 20:37:37 <dihedral> what kind of gpu does it have, and what driver do you have installed? 20:37:40 <eQualizer> Can't really expect much from this. I even had to use ethernet-cable to get this into internet. 20:38:33 <Rubidium> actually, the older the hardware the more likely it natively supports 8 bits graphics 20:39:33 <eQualizer> I'm not actually sure which GPU this laptop has. All I know it's integrated. 20:40:45 <dihedral> integrated in the cpu or directly on the main board (the latter being common for laptops) 20:41:00 <TruePikachu> dihedral: I would assume the motherboard 20:41:09 <TruePikachu> It's like that on desktops too 20:41:21 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: terkhen * r20827 /trunk/src/tree_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: Simplify code for placement of tree groups. 20:41:35 <dihedral> i would assume so too, however things like AMD Geode do exist 20:41:58 <TruePikachu> I only think that gaming devices (i.e. the Wii Hollywood chip) integrate the GPU with the CPU; that breaks PC archetecture 20:42:14 <dihedral> erm, no 20:42:28 <dihedral> that would not brake the architecture 20:43:04 <TruePikachu> Oh :P well, I've never seen a PC with the GPU in the CPU... 20:43:25 <dihedral> you have a mobile phone? 20:43:34 <dihedral> you have a gpu in the cpu there ;-) 20:43:40 <TruePikachu> Yeah, but that isn't necessairily a PC 20:43:54 <dihedral> some are :-P 20:44:15 <dihedral> my phone has 1GHz, i recall my first computer to be way slower than that :-D 20:44:19 <TruePikachu> Hmm...would an LCD driver count as a GPU? 20:44:24 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: terkhen * r20828 /trunk/src/tree_cmd.cpp: -Add: Take into account tree group placement at the world generation progress bar. 20:44:30 <TruePikachu> dihedral: My Linux box is 800MHz 20:46:08 <TruePikachu> eQualizer: My Linux box hardware as circa 2000 (I think...). It's a Dell Optiplex GX150(?)...I have a wireless connection on it. 20:47:13 <Nite> a phone with one ghz - awe didnt know that ... 20:47:19 <TruePikachu> However, IDK if it does 8bpp emulation invisibily, or if it directly supports it 20:47:40 <TruePikachu> Nite: Better than a calculator with ~15MHz 20:48:53 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: terkhen * r20829 /trunk/src/tree_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#4094]: Place less trees at once when planting random trees at the scenario editor. 20:49:06 <dihedral> Terkhen, commit spree ;-) 20:49:12 <TruePikachu> lol 20:49:34 <Terkhen> and just for such a relatively small fix 20:49:43 <TruePikachu> All on the same file also :P 20:50:08 <TruePikachu> But I see why you're doint it this way 20:50:18 <TruePikachu> s/doint/doing 20:52:03 <TruePikachu> Hmmm...any approximate backdoor into OpenTTD that would allow for game variables to be read? 20:54:02 <TruePikachu> If so, I could try to write a program for an ajacent computer which will report lots of generic game statistics, similar to what I will eventually do for Flight Sim 20:55:43 *** echo465 [~chatzilla@c-98-223-160-180.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:57:12 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:02:27 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: Not here] 21:03:21 *** uros [~chatzilla@cpe-92-37-63-86.dynamic.amis.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:03:48 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 21:05:58 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-133-50.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 21:13:28 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 21:14:23 *** uros [~chatzilla@cpe-92-37-34-182.dynamic.amis.net] has joined #openttd 21:38:43 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@2002:6d4a:c7b0::1] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 21:38:52 *** fanioz [~fanioz@180.214.233.2] has joined #openttd 21:40:29 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@2002:6d4a:c7b0::1] has joined #openttd 21:43:34 *** uros [~chatzilla@cpe-92-37-34-182.dynamic.amis.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.9/20100825164301]] 21:44:01 *** fanioz [~fanioz@180.214.233.2] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:44:10 *** last_evolution [~last_evol@ip-86-49-60-58.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:45:59 *** wollollo [~martin@host86-175-29-208.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #openttd 21:49:22 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-9ff6e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:50:25 *** fanioz [~fanioz@180.214.233.2] has joined #openttd 21:51:04 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has quit [Quit: PACKET_CLIENT_QUIT] 21:57:38 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 22:01:23 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 22:17:39 *** `Fuco` [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 22:17:39 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:20:01 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:21:47 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:27:34 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-77-198.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:29:51 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-54-241.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 22:29:54 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 22:30:11 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.15.18] has joined #openttd 22:32:44 <TruePikachu> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php/?p=903886#p903886 22:33:15 <TruePikachu> ** http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=903886#p903886 22:33:25 <TruePikachu> ^^ fix'd 22:34:26 *** Uresu [~Wes@5ad16f54.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 22:35:13 <Wolf01> 'night 22:35:22 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host105-234-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:38:14 *** `Fuco` [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Quit: Quit] 22:40:20 <Terkhen> good night 22:45:56 *** fanioz [~fanioz@180.214.233.2] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:47:28 *** Uresu [~Wes@5ad16f54.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:49:06 <TruePikachu> Hmm...how do you change a task's niceness/priority from the BASH prompt? 22:49:27 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D0AA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:49:32 <frosch123> renice 22:49:39 <TruePikachu> Does that do priority too? 22:50:07 <frosch123> ask "man renice" 22:50:09 *** avdg [~Adium@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:50:49 <TruePikachu> renice just changes the priority of tasks 22:51:23 <TruePikachu> Hmmm...I always thought priority and niceness were different 22:52:02 <ccfreak2k> Nope. 22:52:19 <TruePikachu> top shows a column PR and a column NI 22:52:41 <TruePikachu> Wait, PR == 20 + NI :P 22:53:05 <planetmaker> sleep (4800) 22:53:43 <TruePikachu> Hmmm...how 'mean' should I make OTTD? 22:53:54 <Rubidium> planetmaker: that's a short night :) 22:53:54 <planetmaker> hm. short :-P 22:54:03 *** welshdragon [~dragon@millsie.net] has joined #openttd 22:54:42 <planetmaker> sleep 28800 22:54:51 <planetmaker> sounds better ;-) 22:55:43 <Rubidium> nightynight then! 22:55:52 <TruePikachu> Hmmm...ps does not reply with priority :( 22:55:56 <LaSeandre> 28.8k. that number brings me back. 22:56:05 <TruePikachu> ...top shows init has niceness 0 22:56:30 <TruePikachu> (strange that init has 0, I would expect -15 or so) 22:56:57 <TruePikachu> ...X also has 0... 22:57:12 <TruePikachu> I wonder if -10 would be OK for OpenTTD 1.0.4 22:58:06 <TruePikachu> I mean, I barely understand the concept of parallel operation under different priorities, and I need to keep the TTYs open for usage... 22:58:56 <frosch123> night 22:58:59 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fdba7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:59:12 <TruePikachu> If OTTD is being too mean, I won't be able to get to the TTYs; if it is too nice, it will lag a lot like it had been 22:59:47 <TruePikachu> Think there will be any ill effects to renicing it a huge number of times while it's running? 23:01:13 <TruePikachu> I mean, some Windows apps will crash if you change the priority, but that's Windows for you... 23:01:55 * TruePikachu guesses he'll have to risk it 23:02:01 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:03:06 <TruePikachu> -_- I forgot to change the OpenTTD permissions to 755; still 750... 23:04:02 <TruePikachu> ...and Jukebox is still not working...I'll have to check the config... 23:04:30 <TruePikachu> Hmmm... 23:04:56 <TruePikachu> musicdriver = extmidi:cmd=/usr/bin/aplaymidi -p 17:1 23:09:16 * TruePikachu wishes programs could be smart enough to find a running X server 23:12:13 *** Xaroth_ [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 23:12:28 <TruePikachu> Umm...it doesn't look like 1.0.4 forks output 23:12:47 <TruePikachu> Or, if it does, not any music driver errors... 23:14:35 <TruePikachu> musicdriver = extmidi:cmd=/usr/bin/aplaymidi -p 17:1 << any idea what's wrong with this line? 23:14:43 *** fjb is now known as Guest1238 23:14:45 *** fjb [~frank@p5485D6BC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:14:51 <TruePikachu> musicdriver = extmidi:cmd=/usr/bin/aplaymidi -p 17:1 << any idea what's wrong with this line? 23:17:49 <TruePikachu> Hmmm...the Wiki isn't exactly being helpful for this...I need a command line parameter for aplaymidi to tell what port number 23:18:21 <TruePikachu> Any chance that aplaymidi is just exiting? 23:18:31 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:18:37 <TruePikachu> How is the call to the application structured? 23:20:25 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 23:21:51 *** Guest1238 [~frank@p5485CFA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:23:21 <TruePikachu> Hmm...still have no idea as to the problem 23:32:03 *** LaSeandre is now known as laseandre-comp 23:33:13 <TruePikachu> I'll restart SCREEN and my login session 23:33:19 *** TruePikachu [~chris@cpe-67-49-42-88.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Restarting...] 23:33:58 *** TruePikachu [~chris@cpe-67-49-42-88.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 23:34:23 <TruePikachu> Well, according to the Wiki, it should work now... 23:36:12 *** laseandre-comp is now known as LaSeandre 23:37:38 <TruePikachu> Still having no music... 23:38:17 <TruePikachu> I installed pmidi, set up the sound card, confirmed that pmidi is working, and set up the config file. No luck. 23:38:40 <TruePikachu> musicdriver = extmidi:cmd=pmidi 23:39:04 <Ammler> it works with timitdy? 23:39:25 <Ammler> timidity* 23:39:51 <TruePikachu> I didn't try; timidity freezes my computer too much 23:40:15 <TruePikachu> However, if I type 'pmidi <midifile>', that works from bash 23:41:09 <TruePikachu> However, in game, it doesn't look like it has a working sound config; I press play in the jukebox, and it scrolls past each song 23:42:21 <TruePikachu> I followed the instructions on the Wiki, and it didn't work 23:52:07 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe83de00-38.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit []