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http://znc.sourceforge.net] 02:39:48 *** dihedral [~dih@znc.noaddedsugar.net] has joined #openttd 02:42:41 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@4chan.fm] has quit [Quit: changing servers] 02:43:00 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@4chan.fm] has joined #openttd 02:52:10 * SmatZ shouldn't watch online TV when he should sleep 03:04:52 * SmatZ just found his program was working just due to pure luck 03:05:51 <SmatZ> close(fd1) ... fd2 = open(...) ... read(fd1 ... ) 03:06:02 <SmatZ> by luck, fd2 was the same as fd1 :p 03:06:38 <SmatZ> copy&paste is often cause of program bugs :p 03:24:29 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:24:31 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 03:40:27 *** nicfer1 [~nicfer@190.50.44.167] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:18:48 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089077244008.chello.pl] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 04:19:10 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089077244008.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 04:21:38 *** davis [~b@p5B28B6C5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:56:03 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77A28.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:56:27 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75250.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:38:31 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DB26.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:09:18 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e06c3db.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:23:12 *** George is now known as Guest253 06:23:16 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 06:24:18 <Terkhen> good morning 06:30:00 *** Guest253 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:30:49 <__ln__> rainy morning 06:31:40 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:32:48 <Terkhen> it's quite sunny here 06:38:10 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 06:45:59 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:00:58 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:03:23 *** X-2 [~X-2@5ED67292.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:06:09 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 07:14:01 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@pc-209-82.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 07:25:21 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 07:39:47 *** TomyLobo [~foo@port-212-202-171-176.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 07:49:42 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: more listen, more understand, more know] 07:57:31 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:00:50 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:04:27 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@pc-209-82.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:26:42 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:45:22 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:52:06 *** FloSoft [bouncer@www.siedler25.org] has joined #openttd 08:52:54 *** wollollo [~martin@host86-175-24-127.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #openttd 09:00:48 *** TrueBrain [~patric@145.118.72.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:03:03 *** rTypo [rTypo@pc54.clicknet.iasi.rdsnet.ro] has joined #openttd 09:12:15 <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=50169 <--- *sigh* 09:13:49 <planetmaker> I must not answer. It would become an impolite one... 09:14:12 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:15:18 <Eddi|zuHause> let me try to hack your internet connection :) 09:15:35 <planetmaker> :-D 09:16:41 <planetmaker> nearly irrespective of my port configuration you'll have not much luck on most ports ;-) 09:16:51 <planetmaker> the firewall is quite strict here... 09:17:52 <planetmaker> plus it's using a bit security by obscurity, allowing certain services only at non-standard ports... 09:18:08 <planetmaker> which granted, keeps the logs small 09:21:09 <dihedral> :-P 09:22:20 <planetmaker> where certain is everything where a connection can be established from the outside ;-) 09:24:33 *** wollollo [~martin@host86-175-24-127.wlms-broadband.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:35:13 *** TrueBrain [~patric@145.118.72.132] has joined #openttd 09:43:21 *** Guest257 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice1n2.emea.ibm.com] has joined #openttd 09:43:36 <Guest257> Good day 09:43:38 <Guest257> whops 09:44:09 <Guest257> There 09:44:16 *** Guest257 is now known as norbert79 09:44:54 <norbert79> How are you all this morning? 09:45:22 *** MrBlack [MrBlack@c-24-131-130-47.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 09:45:48 *** echo465_ [~chatzilla@c-98-223-160-180.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 09:46:19 <V453000> snafu 09:46:29 <V453000> :p 09:50:54 *** echo465 [~chatzilla@c-98-223-160-180.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:50:58 *** echo465_ is now known as echo465 09:52:04 * dihedral misses DarkVater ^^ 09:54:15 <__ln__> yes, no more occasional hungarian talk on the channel 09:55:10 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75250.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:55:28 <norbert79> Did I miss something while I wasn't online? :) 09:55:54 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75250.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:56:16 <__ln__> while you weren't online ~4..6 years ago 09:57:39 <norbert79> Yeah, time passes fast... 10:04:40 *** fjb [~frank@p5485DA73.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:04:46 <fjb> Moin 10:05:09 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 10:05:34 <norbert79> Moin 10:05:39 <Rubidium> moi 10:14:46 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-244-180.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:17:00 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-171-200.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 10:17:03 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:17:44 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:33:00 *** Sacro [~ben@87.102.5.146] has joined #openttd 10:46:12 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:53:29 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.82.121] has joined #openttd 10:53:32 *** Klanticus [~quassel@200-161-120-132.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #openttd 10:53:44 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-171-200.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:56:00 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-61-82.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 10:56:03 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:56:54 *** davis [~b@p5B28B6C5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:57:42 *** norbert791 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice3n2.emea.ibm.com] has joined #openttd 11:01:13 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:01:54 *** norbert792 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice1n2.emea.ibm.com] has joined #openttd 11:03:14 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice1n2.emea.ibm.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:04:13 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 11:08:47 *** norbert791 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice3n2.emea.ibm.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:12:06 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-74.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 11:16:02 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 11:30:14 *** avdg [~Adium@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 11:42:35 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.164.61] has joined #openttd 11:48:45 <Eddi|zuHause> hmm... pizza 11:49:08 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.162.139] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:59:03 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:06:03 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 12:08:51 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 12:11:52 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:13:11 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice1n2.emea.ibm.com] has joined #openttd 12:13:48 *** norbert79 is now known as Guest280 12:14:44 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:f49b:7da1:e0a6:add1] has joined #openttd 12:14:47 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:15:37 *** Guest280 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice1n2.emea.ibm.com] has left #openttd [] 12:19:29 *** norbert792 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice1n2.emea.ibm.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:25:52 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:25:59 *** MrBlack [MrBlack@c-24-131-130-47.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [] 12:31:23 *** davis [~b@p5B28B6C5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:35:49 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db18974.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:38:39 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db18974.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:38:47 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db18974.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 13:15:07 <Belugas> hello 13:15:27 <olleman> hey now 13:17:02 <avdg> poor twitter, too sensitive for xss :/ 13:17:25 <avdg> http://twitter.com/search?q=onMouseOver 13:17:31 <avdg> keep that page open for few minutes 13:18:36 *** Guest280 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice1n2.emea.ibm.com] has joined #openttd 13:19:02 *** Guest280 is now known as norbert79 13:20:31 <fjb> Moin Belugas 13:20:47 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@188.109.252.230] has joined #openttd 13:22:10 * robotboy pokes his head in before going upstairs 13:22:33 <Belugas> plus, fjb :) 13:24:51 <fjb> Does mercurial hahe something like the classical repository check out? 13:25:25 <dihedral> clone 13:26:07 *** davis [~b@p5B28B6C5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:26:24 <fjb> That clones the whole repository if I am not mistaken. 13:27:15 <Ammler> fjb: on the webif, you might find a tar.gz download link 13:28:00 <Ammler> like http://hg.openttdcoop.org/opengfx/archive/tip.tar.bz2 13:28:39 <heffer> is it because of the grfcodec/nforenum merger that grfcodec nightly currently doesn't build? 13:29:11 <Ammler> works here, any error? 13:29:24 <glx> it built fine last night 13:29:56 <dihedral> fjb: -r, --rev 13:29:56 <dihedral> clone only the specified revisions and ancestors 13:30:14 <fjb> Ammler: Thank you, there is such a link. 13:30:18 <Ammler> dihedral: that is still the whole repo :-) 13:30:31 <heffer> http://fpaste.org/qkc0/ 13:30:33 <dihedral> oh - true - i was thinking the other way round 13:30:51 <dihedral> e.g. git has a way to only make a shallow clone 13:32:22 <Ammler> heffer: what boost version? 13:32:38 <heffer> Ammler: boost-1.41.0-9.fc13.x86_64 13:32:47 <glx> heffer: did nforenum alone build fine before the merge ? 13:33:10 <heffer> glx: yes 13:33:33 <glx> then check the -D differences :) 13:34:29 <glx> for mingw nforenum alone was ok, but in the merge a -DMINGW was added causing compile failure 13:35:36 *** rJoe [rTypo@pc54.clicknet.iasi.rdsnet.ro] has joined #openttd 13:35:39 *** rTypo [rTypo@pc54.clicknet.iasi.rdsnet.ro] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 13:36:43 *** Sacro [~ben@87.102.5.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:38:05 <glx> heffer: looks like a missing -D in your case 13:40:06 *** rJoe [rTypo@pc54.clicknet.iasi.rdsnet.ro] has quit [] 13:43:52 <glx> hmm src/typesize.h was there before the merge 13:45:12 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:46:04 <heffer> yes 13:46:23 <glx> maybe try to find the breaking rev 13:48:19 <glx> FLAGS = -O2 -D$(TYPESIZE) -idirafter$(BOOST_INCLUDE) -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 <-- before the merge 13:48:23 <heffer> okay it's an error within the sepec file 13:48:44 <heffer> i define CXXFLAGS in Makefile.local 13:49:28 <heffer> i manually needed to add -DGCC32 to the CXXFLAGS 13:50:04 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 13:50:06 <glx> CXXFLAGS := $(FLAGS) $(CXXFLAGS) <-- you should not need to add it yourself 13:50:21 <glx> as FLAGS have it already 13:50:39 <planetmaker> :-) 13:51:03 <glx> -include ${MAKEFILELOCAL} <-- looks like this one is not at the right place 13:51:51 <glx> Makefile:87 13:54:29 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:54:47 <glx> http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/openttd/grfcodec.diff <-- this should work 13:58:01 <glx> but not optimal as some Makefile.local settings will still be ignored (like TYPESIZE) 14:10:17 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 14:19:21 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 14:20:55 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:25:23 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has joined #openttd 14:27:24 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe83de00-38.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:31:14 *** Yexo [~Yexo@153-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:31:25 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@153-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 14:42:02 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-2-56.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 14:43:12 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-61-82.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:43:47 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice1n2.emea.ibm.com] has left #openttd [] 14:45:08 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-23-51.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 14:45:11 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 14:48:47 <Rubidium> regarding that grfcodec issue; I think a good review/"rebuild" of the detection part of makefile needs to be done. For example I remember that there was some assignment in make that does only assign when it's not assigned yet. That'd be the perfect thing to use, and then Makefile.local can be included at the top of the file without problems I'd say 14:49:26 <Rubidium> but... that needs some time to properly implement and test that 14:51:05 *** thomas001 [~thomas@userv1.informatik.uni-leipzig.de] has joined #openttd 14:51:25 <thomas001> hi, has the 2cc trainset been removed from bananas? 14:51:41 <Rubidium> not that I'm aware of 14:51:46 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 14:51:55 <planetmaker> Rubidium, x ?= blubber 14:51:57 <Rubidium> might be that a newer version has been uploaded that requires some higher version of OpenTTD though 14:52:37 <Rubidium> and each upload supersedes the previous, so the previous one won't be shown for you. There is a feature request about that in the bug tracker though 14:52:38 <thomas001> i run 1.0.4 i see it on the bananas web page but not in py openttd 14:53:12 <Lakie> Probably needs a newer version of openttd like a nightly? 14:53:24 <thomas001> hmm i'll try that ;) 14:53:54 <Rubidium> @base 10 16 285232972 14:53:54 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 11004F4C 14:54:05 <Rubidium> @base 16 10 4F4C 14:54:05 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 20300 14:54:23 <Rubidium> it needs at least r20300 of trunk (or 1.1.0 and higher) 14:54:51 <thomas001> right....its available in the nightly...thank you...what shiny new features might be in nightly the trainset uses? 14:54:59 <glx> action 14 ? 14:55:24 <Rubidium> = translated descriptions and easier to configure NewGRF parameters 14:55:56 <thomas001> ah,thank you :) 15:02:18 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 15:02:18 *** avdg [~Adium@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:02:49 *** avdg [~Adium@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:06:20 *** Sacro [~ben@87.102.5.146] has joined #openttd 15:06:27 <thomas001> btw...what are your favourite train sets? 15:06:56 <Belugas> legos are fine, especially the CITY passenger one :) 15:12:44 *** Sacro_ [~ben@87.102.5.146] has joined #openttd 15:18:18 *** Sacro [~ben@87.102.5.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:18:44 *** thvdburgt [~thvdburgt@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 15:18:45 <Ammler> well, I hope djn had other reasons then just a14 to exclude the stable players :-) 15:18:45 <Chris_Booth> just a quick question, is openttd ever going to get custom bridge heads, and is openttd ever going to allow you to build rail over tunnels? 15:21:06 <Rubidium> sorry, can't prove that using temporal logic 15:21:16 <robotboy> gnight 15:21:35 <Chris_Booth> robotboy: its only 16:21 early night :P 15:21:48 <glx> no it's 17:21 :) 15:21:58 <Rubidium> no it's 15:21 15:22:02 <robotboy> no it's 1:22 am 15:22:22 <Chris_Booth> I should not have said something stupid like that here 15:23:07 <Rubidium> oh, and for fun... it's 21:08 as well 15:24:14 <Chris_Booth> Rubidium: dont you mean 21:09? 15:24:18 <Rubidium> Chris_Booth: in any case, there are no reasons to not allow any implementation of cbh or rail over tunnels, but either the implementation was very broken or there was no implementation 15:24:58 <Chris_Booth> ooh so it needs to be written and tested before it is ever added 15:25:47 <Chris_Booth> darn it I forgot to ask the can I ask a question; question 15:26:18 <Rubidium> nah... writing it is not needed. Just generate random data and eventually you'll get a proper patch. It'll most likely require quite a bit of testing 15:26:52 <Chris_Booth> you also need all the spirtes 15:27:51 <Rubidium> those can also be patched 15:28:17 <Rubidium> just makes it significantly more unlikely that you'll get it "soon" 15:28:21 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC455D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:35:55 *** robotx [~robotx@141-70-75-133.user.wh-stuttgart.de] has joined #openttd 15:41:20 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:41:39 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 15:45:40 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:50:56 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:53:18 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-74.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:58:02 *** Joni- [~Joni-@dsl-vsabrasgw1-fe00dc00-41.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 15:58:10 *** rTypo [rTypo@pc54.clicknet.iasi.rdsnet.ro] has joined #openttd 16:04:58 *** Joni_ [~Joni-@dsl-vsabrasgw1-fe00dc00-41.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:11:10 *** orudge [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has left #openttd [] 16:11:13 *** orudge [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 16:11:16 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 16:20:35 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 16:24:28 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:26:56 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e06c3db.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 16:28:58 *** Sacro_ [~ben@87.102.5.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:40:32 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:41:21 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:42:00 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 16:51:57 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 16:52:02 *** bartavelle [~bartavell@bigbox.banquise.net] has quit [Quit: Coyote finally caught me] 16:52:32 *** wollollo [~martin@host86-175-24-127.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #openttd 16:53:16 *** bartavelle [~bartavell@bigbox.banquise.net] has joined #openttd 16:55:53 *** TheMask96 [martijn@pride.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:57:03 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:00:28 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fdbf9.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:03:10 *** TheMask96 [martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:12:22 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-102-31.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:13:02 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:14:22 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 17:25:39 *** thvdburgt [~thvdburgt@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:28:28 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:33:45 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75250.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:34:08 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75250.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:34:21 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:40:36 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 17:46:03 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r20834 /trunk/src/lang/ (11 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 17:46:03 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:46:03 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: croatian - 3 changes by VoyagerOne 17:46:03 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: dutch - 3 changes by habell 17:46:03 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: french - 3 changes by glx 17:46:05 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: german - 3 changes by planetmaker 17:46:05 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: italian - 3 changes by lorenzodv 17:53:13 *** Niavmaii [ad23f29f@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 17:54:30 *** X-2 [~X-2@5ED67292.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 18:00:41 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 18:08:23 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:08:27 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:25:53 <andythenorth> hi hi 18:27:48 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba9681.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:29:44 *** ack [ANONYMOUS@208.89.50.168] has joined #openttd 18:29:52 <ack> hi 18:30:17 <ack> i want to add diamond mines and cargo to the temperate climate. can i do this by making a newgrf? 18:30:53 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 18:31:05 <Eddi|zuHause> it should be fairly straightforward even 18:31:20 <Eddi|zuHause> take the "manual industries" grf as example 18:31:36 <ack> awesome, thanks 18:31:37 <Ammler> or the nml forest someone made 18:31:53 <ack> nml? 18:32:06 *** perk111 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 18:32:59 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:33:07 <Ammler> a tool to make grfs 18:34:35 <ack> oh neat 18:34:42 <ack> doublethanks 18:38:42 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:40:08 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: that is really a bad example for that :) 18:45:03 <Eddi|zuHause> bad examples are the best ones to learn how to not do it from :p 18:46:02 <Ammler> for plain nfo, a good example is my lumber mill 18:47:01 <frosch123> well, it is easier if you start with a diamond mine which produces valueables 18:47:10 <frosch123> instead of adding diamonds to temperate 18:48:21 <Ammler> indeed, didn't thought about the cargo, dunno, if nml can handle that already 18:52:57 *** robotx [~robotx@141-70-75-133.user.wh-stuttgart.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 19:14:22 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-102-31.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:21:03 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba9681.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:23:16 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 19:25:19 *** perk111 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 19:26:20 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:27:47 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba9681.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:33:59 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 19:37:53 <fonsinchen> Could you build cargodist on a regular basis on the compile farm and push it to the OpenTTDCoop server? 19:37:59 <Rubidium> heffer: does current grfcodec(-trunk) behave better? 19:39:01 <Rubidium> fonsinchen: what's the new URL? 19:39:29 <fonsinchen> either git://github.com/fonsinchen/openttd-cargodist.git 19:39:42 <fonsinchen> or http://github.com/fonsinchen/openttd-cargodist.git 19:39:59 <Rubidium> should be binaries still be called openttd-cargodist-<gitrev>-...? I seem to remember you changing something to the version string 19:40:34 <fonsinchen> No, that change is obsolete now as the underlying problem has been fixed. 19:40:49 <Ammler> s/OpenTTDCoop/#openttdcoop/ :-) 19:40:49 <fonsinchen> you can just call them like this. 19:40:57 <fonsinchen> yes, sorry. 19:41:23 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:42:08 <Rubidium> does 06:00 CE[S]T sound okay? 19:42:19 <fonsinchen> yes, that's nice. 19:43:14 <planetmaker> nice :-) 19:43:53 <fonsinchen> thanks a lot. 19:47:13 <Rubidium> yikes, cloning the git repository seems to take quite a while 19:48:01 <fonsinchen> yes, it's big. You should use the git protocol if possible. 19:48:08 <Rubidium> (especially because it clones it every time) 19:48:14 <planetmaker> :-O 19:48:33 <Ammler> pm, to the fresh vm, I would assume :-) 19:48:45 <planetmaker> yeah :-) 19:49:34 <Ammler> Rubidium: there is hg-git, maybe faster :-) 19:50:38 <planetmaker> questionable whether that'd be fun with the version then 19:51:57 <Rubidium> lets see whether --depth 100 does reduce it somewhat :) 19:54:46 <Rubidium> heh, that still has an awful load of history :) 19:56:32 <Rubidium> --depth seems to be reasonable; enough history to fetch the svn revision and pretty quick to checkout 19:56:35 <Rubidium> +10 19:58:07 *** Klanticus [~quassel@200-161-120-132.dsl.telesp.net.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:58:22 <Rubidium> I hope it "just" doesn't break in the future though 20:01:53 <dihedral> Rubidium, would it make sense to add another (hidden) version field which gets also written to the save game - one that cannot be overridden by --revision, and doe snot influence the game? 20:02:23 <dihedral> then one could still be able to find out easily if a crash happened on a modified server ^^ 20:02:50 <dihedral> perhaps allow the crash.log to store server name ? 20:03:06 <frosch123> securiy by obscurity in open source? 20:05:21 <dihedral> no, more a case of finding out if bug reports came from patched servers :-P 20:05:34 <frosch123> we should add a complete copy of the home directory to crash.sav 20:05:43 <dihedral> pffft 20:05:54 <Rubidium> dihedral: and you think that works? 20:06:34 <dihedral> in 90% of the bug reports perhaps :-P 20:06:37 <Rubidium> because it needs to be passed from findversion.sh, and if they modify that they modify both revisions making it utterly pointless 20:06:55 <dihedral> if 20:07:05 <dihedral> however those i know use ./configure --revision ;-) 20:07:35 <Rubidium> oh.. who are they? 20:08:39 <dihedral> people like openttdcoop 20:08:41 <dihedral> :-P 20:09:23 <Rubidium> http://hg.openttdcoop.org/serverpatches/file/c362ac6e656a/svnVersionForMP.diff <- yes, they definitely use configure and don't mess with findversion.sh 20:10:40 <dihedral> AMMLER?! :-P 20:11:02 <Ammler> yes, that is required, configure is bad 20:11:20 <Ammler> as you would have another version from the CF then ingame 20:12:14 <Rubidium> my cast I rest 20:12:44 <dihedral> it was worth the try 20:13:41 <Ammler> dihedral: also Rubidium is aware of it, btw. :-) 20:14:04 <dihedral> yes, but i was hoping for a more globally something ;-) 20:14:09 <dihedral> not just in case of openttdcoop 20:14:33 <Ammler> yes, 32bpp-ez does use it too 20:14:40 <Ammler> or is2 20:14:58 <frosch123> isn't the avarage modified build not using a vcs at all, but just messing with the stable tarball? 20:15:39 <Ammler> the patch Rubidium posted is quite obsolete 20:16:47 <Ammler> http://hg.openttdcoop.org/clientpatches/file/db214981e765/svnVersionForMP.diff <-- better one 20:16:55 <dihedral> frosch123, that is frighening 20:17:21 <Ammler> but cd shouldn't change first field :-) 20:17:51 *** thvdburgt [~thvdburgt@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 20:18:03 <__ln__> Can the travelling salesman's problem be solved in O(n) using a NewGRF? 20:19:01 <Ammler> important is that 4th field is the same as ingame version 20:20:13 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: depends on the definition of n :p 20:21:08 <__ln__> big 20:21:22 <frosch123> bigger than 3 ? 20:21:46 <Rubidium> fonsinchen: are the binaries in http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/cargodist/g52c89b9b/ working okay? Having the right version and such 20:24:04 <Ammler> aslo a bit silly about findversion is that you can add tons of patches to a repo and it reports it as not modified 20:24:18 <planetmaker> ? 20:24:44 * Belugas kicks himself. copy and paste have made yet another victim :S 20:24:56 <Rubidium> Ammler: so 32bpp-ez is a "modified" version of 32bpp-ez? 20:25:18 <Belugas> a nice copy and paste error, spreading a bug in a 100 stores deployment :( 20:25:44 <frosch123> Belugas: wire those keys between the powerjack and your chair 20:26:13 <Ammler> Rubidium: well, that requires you don't force the version 20:27:05 <Ammler> that is fine for cd, but not for client or server patches or 32bpp 20:27:42 *** fmauneko [~fmauneko@88.166.241.226] has joined #openttd 20:27:53 <Ammler> maybe a 2nd version for network would be good 20:28:47 <Rubidium> but... then cargodist would say it's compatible with some trunk revision? 20:29:10 <Belugas> frosch123, already done :( 20:29:11 <Ammler> hmm, you didn't read, I said it is ok for cd :-P 20:29:17 <Belugas> fuck i'm screwed 20:29:39 <Ammler> (cd = cargodist) 20:29:46 <Rubidium> Ammler: but if you change findversion.sh, you change it for cargodist as well! 20:30:15 <Ammler> I wouldn't, except the 4th, if it doesn't match the ingame version 20:30:47 * Rubidium declares a desync error has occured 20:30:47 <Ammler> my patch is as the name says though for MP 20:30:58 <Ammler> t 20:31:33 <Belugas> Maker of Planet? 20:31:56 <planetmaker> salut swimmer of the oceans 20:32:17 <Ammler> doesn't he fly? 20:32:26 <frosch123> playermulti :p 20:34:01 *** X-2 [~X-2@5ED67292.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:34:19 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r20835 /trunk/src/group_gui.cpp: -Fix: the group gui had a small unused area with bigger gui buttons 20:35:22 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 20:39:40 <Ammler> fonsinchen: you might also test, if the WindowsUpdater from still works 20:39:44 <Ammler> zuu* 20:40:10 <Ammler> I guess, he does truncate the cd-, not sure 20:40:26 <Belugas> let say that I prefer the marine representation of myself :) 20:40:45 <Belugas> various reasons :) 20:41:02 <Ammler> but that desyncs with forums :-P 20:41:12 <planetmaker> :-) 20:41:26 <frosch123> are mermaids involved? 20:41:34 <Ammler> :-) 20:42:01 <planetmaker> the only mermaid I know is... in Kopenhagen. 20:43:58 <Belugas> well... let see... i talk a lot, belugas are the dolphins who emit the most. they are pale white, as i am. they have a thick skin due to a lot of fat. Unfortunately, so do I, even if i'm getting better. they love to swim and dive. Me? DUUUHH!!!!! They love sea food. me? DUUUUUH!!! 20:44:35 <planetmaker> :-D 20:45:08 * SmatZ doesn't think Belugas is fat 20:45:27 <frosch123> poor smatz :) 20:45:35 <SmatZ> :) 20:45:42 <Rubidium> SmatZ: then what is fat? :) 20:45:45 <planetmaker> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/e/ef/Kopenhagen_meerjungfrau.jpg <-- And we all thought these mermaids were what made the Oceans attractive ;-) 20:45:53 <Belugas> not really fat... let say.. in shape :) 20:46:38 <planetmaker> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Asashoryu_fight_Jan08.JPG <-- like that, Rubidium ? 20:46:41 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-23-51.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:46:45 <Belugas> let say... 6 foot 1 tall (not tall when compared to the average openttd dev...) and 190 pounds 20:46:52 <Belugas> not very bony either.... 20:46:59 <SmatZ> :) 20:47:11 <fonsinchen> What windowsupdater? 20:47:27 <SmatZ> 6 ft 1 in = 1.8542 meters 20:47:34 <Rubidium> planetmaker: is a BMI of 23 "fat"? 20:47:53 <SmatZ> 190 pounds = 86.1825503 kilograms 20:47:56 <frosch123> 23 is almost skinny 20:48:10 <planetmaker> Rubidium, I don't even know what the scale is the BMI measures against ;-) 20:48:10 <SmatZ> @calc 86/(1.85**2) 20:48:10 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: 25.1278305332 20:48:15 <planetmaker> And ... I don't really care 20:48:18 <SmatZ> not fat :) 20:48:23 <Rubidium> 23 is overweight in e.g. Japan and Singapore 20:48:26 <SmatZ> hehe 20:48:36 <SmatZ> @calc 90/(1.76**2) 20:48:36 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: 29.0547520661 20:48:39 <SmatZ> ^^ me 20:48:46 <Belugas> ooops... 20:48:47 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-114-179.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 20:48:49 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 20:48:49 <SmatZ> :) 20:48:50 <frosch123> planetmaker: that scale which i can interpret as "i am not too fat, i am too young" :) 20:48:55 <Belugas> i'm in better shape then i tough :) 20:48:59 <SmatZ> sure :) 20:49:04 <planetmaker> haha :-) 20:49:15 <Rubidium> SmatZ: then you're obese in Singapore and Japan, and only overweight in the rest of the world :) 20:49:24 <SmatZ> hehe :) 20:49:27 <planetmaker> :-P 20:49:43 <Belugas> and normal in the states 20:49:46 <frosch123> @calc 105/(1.94**2) 20:49:46 <DorpsGek> frosch123: 27.8988202785 20:49:46 <Belugas> buwhahahahaha!!! 20:49:50 <SmatZ> :)) 20:50:11 <SmatZ> frosch123: you are pretty high :) 20:50:16 <SmatZ> tall, too 20:50:21 <SmatZ> :p 20:51:00 <Yexo> <frosch123> 23 is almost skinny <- if 23 is skinny, what is 19? 20:51:03 <frosch123> hmm, i thought i was at 26.5 or so 20:51:25 <SmatZ> :( 20:52:05 <frosch123> hmm, oh i think i uses some tabular last time, no computation, so that may have used some different formula 20:52:07 <Rubidium> frosch123: then you were "normal" up to 1998, and overweight since then 20:52:17 <SmatZ> hehe :) 20:52:28 <frosch123> it also distinguished men and women 20:52:56 <SmatZ> similiar problem is with high blood pressure, the criteria has lowered from 160(?)/90 to 140/90 20:53:04 <frosch123> which resulted in "i am almost fat for < 30" and "normal to skinny for > 30" 20:53:33 <frosch123> SmatZ: the lower value has always been considered more imporant 20:53:35 <SmatZ> I always say I have heavy bones :p 20:54:28 <frosch123> yes, smatz has the bones of a bird, though he filled the air with beer reservoirs 20:54:40 <SmatZ> hehe :p 20:54:54 <SmatZ> reminds me of something in the fridge... 20:55:18 <Rubidium> my atoms are just heavier than normal :) 20:55:26 * SmatZ noms fine beer for ~0.25E/0,5l 20:55:29 <SmatZ> hehe :D 20:57:36 <frosch123> [22:52] <Rubidium> frosch123: then you were "normal" up to 1998, and overweight since then <- no, around 98 i looked more like yexo 20:58:02 <V453000> beer! ^_^ 20:58:12 <SmatZ> V453000: nice guess :) 20:58:39 <SmatZ> frosch123: so did I, I got ~65kg 8 years ago... 20:58:42 <frosch123> he, around 96 i was one of the best at sports in school :p (since i was about 30cm taller than the rest) 20:58:47 <SmatZ> only my belly has grown since then :/ 20:58:50 *** fmauneko [~fmauneko@88.166.241.226] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:59:05 <SmatZ> I was a good runner, too... 20:59:52 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:00:32 * Rubidium dislikes running; I rather take a bike 21:00:32 *** apollo30 [~andreas@dslb-094-218-060-083.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 21:00:43 <SmatZ> yeah :) 21:00:46 <frosch123> well, around 2003 i was one of the best at sports again, but that was due to about 80% were smoking :p 21:00:47 <apollo30> hi 21:00:51 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe83de00-38.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 21:00:57 <SmatZ> hehe 21:01:54 <Rubidium> ahoy apollo30 21:02:18 <SmatZ> :) 21:03:12 <Rubidium> only problem with cheap bikes is that I'm (sometimes) peddling with too much force, so stuff breaks/snaps 21:03:31 <Rubidium> high gear, not that much revolutions 21:03:45 <SpComb> agressive 21:03:47 <apollo30> cool - I've just found the irc channel on your homepage and half of all developers are here ;-) 21:03:50 <SmatZ> :-) 21:03:52 <dihedral> \o/ a fellow arcor customer 21:04:17 <V453000> :) 21:04:58 <apollo30> much cooler is, that I finally managed to access IRC chats with my mac. my last IRC chat was more about 5 years ago on a win pc 21:05:05 <planetmaker> apollo30, they're here 24/7 ;-) - or pretend to be ;-) 21:05:10 <SmatZ> hmm... at each iteration, I write 1 line to each of two files... how is that possible each file has different number of lines when the program ended normally :p 21:05:41 <planetmaker> disk cache? 21:05:41 <Rubidium> writing stuff with \n? 21:06:01 <SmatZ> Rubidium: it shouldn't happen, but probably does :) 21:06:17 <SmatZ> planetmaker: that shouldn't affect how files are read later 21:06:22 <Rubidium> or are you running the same app in multiple processes? 21:06:25 <planetmaker> true ;-) 21:06:35 <SmatZ> Rubidium: nope, just 1 process 21:07:04 <Rubidium> oh... 2 other possibilities: memory corruption and hdd corruption 21:07:09 <SmatZ> hehe :) 21:07:21 <SmatZ> it's quite reproducible :) 21:08:35 <glx> bug in code then 21:08:42 <SmatZ> yup :) 21:12:03 <Belugas> ok... see you ... night 21:12:18 <SmatZ> good night Belugas 21:12:28 <fjb> Night Belugas 21:13:33 <apollo30> wish you also a good night 21:13:33 *** fonsinchen 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