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00:01:06 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:01:49 <trebuchet> good night 00:07:30 *** `Fuco` [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:07:58 <Eddi|zuHause> "the date is 2005. it must be wrong" is a genious thought :) 00:14:30 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-84-139.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:16:44 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-78-59.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 00:16:47 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 00:23:24 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 00:25:05 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [] 00:25:14 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19DAE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:30:19 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@grm-lovas-128-39-61-228.studby.uia.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:47:33 *** mattfury [~matt@CPE-124-179-112-73.lns1.cha.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 00:47:33 *** avdg1 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http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 02:19:34 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 02:19:34 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:19:51 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 02:54:31 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:41c3:5a97:8df9:916b] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:17:14 <Xrufuian> What is a "feeder system"? 03:17:15 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:17:57 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 03:40:48 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c6b7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:55:39 *** glevans2 [~glevans2@99.129.148.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:21:26 *** trebuchet [~Trebuchet@69.51.104.87] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:38:08 *** Xrufuian [~xrufuian-@pool-98-119-100-9.lsanca.btas.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: *Yawn*] 04:43:29 *** 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*** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 06:27:11 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:27:30 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 06:33:23 *** elmz [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 06:33:36 <Terkhen> good morning 06:41:27 <Rubidium> moi 06:42:06 <mattfury> moo 06:51:16 <heffer> baaaaahh 06:51:32 <Terkhen> yaaaaaawn 06:53:39 *** fanioz [~fanioz@180.214.232.16] has quit [Quit: Leaving, good bye] 07:02:33 *** fanioz [~fanioz@180.214.233.26] has joined #openttd 07:06:02 <heffer> Rubidium: any idea which version number GRFCodec + merged nforenum will have? 07:06:31 <heffer> i'm trying to do something like BuildRequires: grfcodec >= 1.0.1 or something the like 07:07:56 <Rubidium> I'm planning 5.0.0-ish, but it's not set in stone yet 07:08:22 <heffer> okay 07:08:28 <planetmaker> moin 07:08:39 <heffer> moin planetmaker 07:17:31 <Terkhen> hi planetmaker 07:19:55 *** Br33z4hSlut5 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new cargos' ;-) 07:56:39 <dihedral> hehe 07:57:44 <dihedral> had a meeting all weekend 07:57:55 <dihedral> 'ausschuss sitzung' ... yumm? 07:58:16 <dihedral> i was really tired when i got back home, but then slept for 12 hours straight which was nice :-D 08:07:31 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-74.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 08:35:42 <heffer> Rubidium: can you comprehend what's going on here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=641622 ? 08:35:50 <heffer> i can't :D 08:40:30 *** Andel [~andel@owenrudge.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:43:53 *** orudge [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:47:08 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@yoda.zernebok.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:52:57 <peter1138> heffer, it crashed. 08:53:34 <heffer> that far i got as well, but now i'm investigating why 08:54:26 <peter1138> It was checking for a road depot on a non-road tile. 08:54:41 <Rubidium> yeah, from TileLoop_Road 08:55:22 <Rubidium> which is quite interesting: a road tile not being a road tile 08:55:50 <Rubidium> and that smells of corrupt memory 08:55:55 <peter1138> Yup. 08:56:25 <heffer> okay so it's not a bug in ottd? 08:57:28 <peter1138> No. 08:57:47 <heffer> No it's not, or No it is? 08:58:09 <heffer> i hate double negations :) but that one was my fault :D 08:58:18 <peter1138> No it's not. 08:58:45 <peter1138> It's either a faulty compilter optimisation, or faulty hardware; could be memory, CPU or motherboard. 08:59:02 <peter1138> Not enough tin-foil hats, I reckon. 08:59:31 <heffer> :) thanks a lot for this short analysis 09:20:03 *** Andel [~andel@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 09:22:00 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-16-114-12.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 09:25:11 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A8B0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:28:50 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 09:28:57 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-16-114-12.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host 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I removed some track, intending to replace its route with track elsewhere; but the new track didn't function as expected. So, a couple trains went down the wrong track to a dead end and couldn't get out, due to the one-way signals. Then, I couldn't build track because the signals were in the way. So, I deleted the signals and had a cornfield meet. Now there are two wrecked trains on that track. What now? 13:15:02 <SpComb> wait 13:15:06 <SpComb> and the trains dissapear 13:15:24 <SpComb> ideally clone replacement trains for them before they expire 13:15:50 * xiong tries 13:16:38 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C85.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:17:08 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C85.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:17:30 <xiong> Um, I smell an issue coming up. Until I finally get that track in place and signaled, perhaps I don't want to run any trains around there. Is there an 'all trains stop' button? Or must I stop each individually? 13:18:19 <xiong> NM, found it. 13:29:41 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 13:30:08 <dihedral> xiong, an idea is to setup the new route before deleting the old route ;-) 13:31:11 <xiong> Oh, I did that. But the new route just didn't work. 13:31:51 <xiong> I know; you're going to say, wait until a train actually runs over the new route, perhaps wait until several trains go over that way and test out the interlocking. Good idea. 13:32:30 <xiong> Now, I have two trains deadlocked, both fouling the mainline. 13:34:07 <planetmaker> a common mistake is a piece of unelectrified tracks ... 13:34:24 <xiong> I'm starting to think that my whole setup was a Bad Idea. See, I have a mainline running between two towns -- not from one to the other but from a distant town to another distant town; both of these local towns branch off the mainline about the same place. The interlocking is horrible as trains try to get across the mainline -- not down the mainline but across it. 13:35:29 <xiong> It looks vaguely like an old-fashioned division sign, with a local loop on either side of the mainline. Except that there needs to be some way to get from local loop to local loop without going right around the whole map. 13:35:52 <planetmaker> best I can do is read. But that's often not worthwhile concerning track layouts when there's as screenshot function at hand ;-) 13:36:06 <xiong> I guess this is a case of "nearest is farthest". I should have attached the local loops somehow to the mainline at widely-spaced points. 13:36:20 <planetmaker> yeah. 13:36:31 <planetmaker> Each local line needs a good hub to the main line 13:36:35 <planetmaker> without ugly shortcuts 13:36:40 <planetmaker> Then most trouble can be avoided 13:36:52 <xiong> Oh yeh, well, I'll post a shot, just so you can see how badly I've screwed up. 13:37:16 <planetmaker> don't worry really :-) 13:37:25 <planetmaker> You seem to have a solution, if I got you right 13:38:41 <planetmaker> I also tend to measure by building standards not everyone here agrees to ;-) 13:40:27 <planetmaker> what are your signals doing, btw? 13:41:37 <xiong> I got into this mess because of my crappy signal layout. 13:42:28 <xiong> The cornfield meet was even worse; I deleted some signals from a line where two trains were lost -- near the current deadlock area -- without stopping all trains. Live and learn. 13:42:51 <xiong> (http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/1204/prr19590806.png) -- of the deadlock, not the meet. 13:42:58 <planetmaker> re-constructing with stopping trains is boring ;-) 13:43:20 *** orudge [~orudge@c-75-73-67-58.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Goodbye.] 13:43:22 <xiong> The two crossovers are not redundant but are very, very badly placed. 13:43:51 <planetmaker> the deadlock is of course due to wrong signal usage: only place a path signal where there's a _save_ waiting location without blocking any path 13:43:54 *** orudge` is now known as orudge 13:44:34 <xiong> Perhaps you can see what led me to that placement. I'd have rather put the Butler-to-Harrisburg crossover towards the northwest but the road is in the way. 13:45:05 <xiong> That would be more sensible, getting the Butler-to-Harrisburg traffic off the mainline as quickly as possible. 13:45:25 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc22b9.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 13:45:31 <xiong> I can think of a dozen ways to solve this, of course; but as it happens, I chose the worst. 13:45:36 <planetmaker> of course. It has no business on the ML 13:45:47 <planetmaker> just bridge it 13:46:03 <xiong> Oh, and yes, planetmaker, you're right. I have too many signals entirely, so trains are waiting in bad places. 13:46:54 <xiong> Bridge? I have not yet built a bridge. That's a fancy solution. Hey, if I build enough bridges, I hardly have to think about interlocking at all. 13:47:25 <xiong> The map will start to look like a freeway cloverleaf. 13:47:48 <planetmaker> cloverleafs also deadlock ;-) 13:47:56 <xiong> I didn't know I could bridge track anyway. Don't I have to have a difference of grade? 13:47:57 <planetmaker> they have joins before split 13:48:29 <xiong> Time to study up on bridges. 13:48:37 <planetmaker> or build tunnels ;-) 13:48:51 <mattfury> why cant we make two or more story bridges? ;P 13:49:13 <planetmaker> you didn't code that extension yet, mattfury 13:49:50 <mattfury> not sure if i want to try. :P 13:50:02 <planetmaker> so were obviously all others 13:50:15 <planetmaker> there you have your answer: no one bother(s/ed) 13:51:41 <planetmaker> at least not enough to start an effort coding anything close to that 13:52:08 <mattfury> nah it'd just be a pain in the ass feature.. 13:52:19 <planetmaker> why? 13:52:39 <mattfury> first off you have x,y .. then you need to add z coordinates.. 13:52:53 <planetmaker> you have that... kinda 13:53:18 <mattfury> zx = complex algorithim divided by zero kinda stuff 13:53:20 <planetmaker> the problem is to make it look good 13:53:26 <planetmaker> eh? 13:53:32 <xiong> Oh, that would be semi-hideous. Which way would the tracks go at either end? I have enough trouble carefully placing tracks diagonal to the grid on the correct diagonal. 13:54:05 <mattfury> i say we make ottd hexagonal like civ5 :P 13:54:11 <planetmaker> xiong: you don't drag your tracks? 13:54:12 <xiong> So, the deal with bridging grade is... no special deal, you just do it, eh? 13:54:57 * mattfury runs.. 13:55:14 <xiong> planetmaker, Sometimes. But for the complex stuff, which to me, means anything except a straight, I have to dabble in the short bits or they go in funny. More old eyesight, I guess, aggravated by jiggly fingers. 13:55:34 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc22b9.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:56:51 <xiong> Hm! Study-up on bridges led to canals, locks, and aqueducts. I had no idea this game was so detailed. This puts an entirely different face on sea power. 13:58:01 <mattfury> xiong, do you use the multitool? 13:58:29 <planetmaker> whatever 'multitool' is... 13:58:40 <planetmaker> that's as bad a naming as 'multipool' 13:58:45 <planetmaker> both don't exist ;-) 13:58:48 <xiong> mattfury, You mean the road/rail building tools that can go in any direction? Sometimes. I like the security of laying down exactly one section, exactly as I want it to go. 13:59:27 <planetmaker> click - click - click. One direction will be correct ;-) 14:00:06 <mattfury> maybe if you use a ps2 trackball mouse... 14:00:08 <xiong> I'm happy with the road/rail building tools as a set. I get it done. At first, I didn't understand the distinction between demolish and bulldoze but I'm fine, now. I successfully removed an entire crossover from the mainline without disturbing ML at all. 14:00:30 <planetmaker> yeah, bulldozer is nice :-) 14:00:44 <planetmaker> and you even don't need it, if you know how to use the ctrl key ;-) 14:01:03 <planetmaker> build + ctrl = remove 14:03:53 <xiong> Ah, the sweet smell of properly running machinery! I successfully broke the deadlock without doing anything too weird, by sending all trains to depot and turning them around at need. 14:04:45 <xiong> Turning around is *displayed* non-realistically but it's completely realistic to run a train for miles in reverse. Quite acceptable. 14:05:32 <planetmaker> it cannot be easily done realistically. 14:05:36 <xiong> We have a lot of commuter lines in US that never loop; they run all the way from suburb to city in reverse. The 'last' car on the train has a secondary cab in it. 14:06:00 <planetmaker> It can be done via newgrf extension for certain types of trains 14:06:18 <planetmaker> it's the choice (and the effort and skill) of the newgrf coder 14:06:34 <planetmaker> unfortunately normal trains don't. 14:06:35 <xiong> I'm not fussy. I know it's not as weird as right-angle turns. 14:06:53 <planetmaker> right-angle - is it meanwhile forbidden by default? 14:07:05 <xiong> You notice that I have tried to avoid these in my layout. 14:07:30 <planetmaker> I only notice when they're present ;-) 14:07:35 <xiong> Um, dunno if I turned that on or left it. I figured to buy myself some insurance in case I did bad. 14:08:10 <xiong> Now, let me try to build a bridge over the ML. 14:13:18 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC5826.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:13:37 <xiong> Oh, I have so shafted myself! I can't build a road bridge -- obviously the first task -- because the road tees right there; and I can't demolish the depot without selling the bus in it. 14:13:52 <xiong> Proper planning prevents problems, eh? 14:16:27 <xiong> Still disaster! The bridge hops the ML but runs right into the Butler loop. I have a burning desire to start over but I will manfully stay the course. 14:20:05 *** fanioz [~fanioz@180.214.232.1] has quit [Quit: Leaving Be right back later] 14:21:04 <xiong> Okay, success with the road bridge. I dunno if I will rail bridge Butler-Harrisburg or no. Perhaps I should just redesign the interlocking. Anyway, it's time for Beddy with Teddy; big day tomorrow. 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http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=101366 16:20:05 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-74.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 16:20:52 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:22:29 <planetmaker> I'd bet on ECS 16:23:00 <davis> thanks :) 16:28:30 <KouDy> planetmaker: thanks for your replies on the forum regarding the enhanced tunnels... 16:28:39 <KouDy> tho i don't really understand your last one :D 16:30:04 <KouDy> but i guess it means something like : sucks to be you dude, you would have to code it on your own 16:30:21 <planetmaker> basically that's it, yes 16:30:30 <KouDy> yea... i know only Tcl... 16:30:41 <KouDy> and with that i am no expert either 16:30:45 <KouDy> so meh... 16:30:50 <planetmaker> you'd need to dive into C/C++ 16:30:55 <planetmaker> which can be learnt :-) 16:31:03 <KouDy> for sure it can... 16:31:27 <KouDy> but well... rather than that i had other idea today (what a fruitfull day it was!) 16:31:49 <KouDy> getting dedicated server running on ARM CPU based device (quite a few NAS drives) 16:32:00 <KouDy> that should be easier task 16:32:10 <planetmaker> do you think that makes sense? 16:32:25 <planetmaker> a server usually wants to be the fastest CPU 16:32:32 <planetmaker> so that the game lags not because of it 16:32:42 <planetmaker> (though technically clients need to be ~20% faster) 16:32:48 <planetmaker> practically ^ 16:32:51 *** mattfury [~matt@CPE-124-179-112-73.lns1.cha.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:32:52 <KouDy> yea i was thinking about this aspect too... 16:33:26 <KouDy> it's hard to determine actually... how powerfull CPU one needs 16:34:08 <planetmaker> it strongly depends on the game(s) 16:35:06 <KouDy> no i mean, like everyone has powerfull CPU (for game like OTTD) 16:35:25 <planetmaker> oh, I can give you games your CPU will sweat on, no worry 16:35:34 <planetmaker> we regularily have some which I cannot join anymore 16:36:00 <KouDy> ahhh 16:36:06 <KouDy> ok thanks for input 16:37:24 <planetmaker> those games are then like 512^2 @ 1500 trains 16:37:51 <KouDy> then it's time to play :D 16:37:52 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0a22c8.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 16:38:00 <KouDy> oh yea 16:38:05 <KouDy> wanted to try out firs 16:40:53 <planetmaker> make sure you report back in the FIRS development thread :-) 16:41:00 <planetmaker> and use the newest FIRS 0.5 16:42:00 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC5826.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 16:42:40 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has joined #openttd 16:42:57 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sirius.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:44:25 <davis> ECS is pretty good just the sand pit does not quite fit ;P 16:46:44 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 16:49:02 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.203.209] has joined #openttd 16:50:19 *** TheMask96 [martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 16:51:05 <KouDy> yea 16:51:10 <KouDy> have install it first 16:51:46 <planetmaker> well... ingame download and activation is not that difficult :-) 16:53:10 <KouDy> ingame? i just looked and is it there? 16:53:16 <KouDy> am i blind again? :) 16:53:44 <planetmaker> online content 16:53:50 <planetmaker> find that button in the main menu? 16:54:22 <planetmaker> but don't think of activating an industry set on an existing map :-) 16:54:37 <KouDy> yes yes i know new map is needed 16:54:58 <KouDy> and surprisingly i also found hereinbefore mentioned button 16:55:39 <KouDy> but finding FIRS there... O.o 16:56:10 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.162.240] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:57:16 <Rubidium> yeah, that's at least three keystrokes more before you found that 16:58:14 <KouDy> no, sorry, i am totally blind or something... manual installation worked simply faster 17:01:11 <Rubidium> ah, so FIRS isn't available for 1.0.x 17:01:30 * Rubidium blames the uploader for that 17:01:43 <KouDy> :) 17:02:00 <KouDy> i am happy to find out i might not be blind after all 17:04:27 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 17:05:37 *** Nite [5472b1fc@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 17:05:40 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:07:56 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 17:18:39 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:21:25 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f478a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:23:21 *** Tennel [~Tennel@88.150.10.194] has joined #openttd 17:29:03 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:30:45 *** Nite [5472b1fc@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 17:31:36 <planetmaker> hm... I guess I shall fix that 17:32:07 <planetmaker> andy can bash me, if it will be wrong, but he complained about insufficient feedback ;-) 17:36:50 <planetmaker> KouDy: changed. Now you can download it with stable 17:36:54 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8589.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:37:07 <planetmaker> There are some small reasons to forbid that, but the limitations or minor 17:44:22 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r20915 /trunk/src/lang/ (hungarian.txt irish.txt): 17:44:22 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:44:22 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: hungarian - 1 changes by norbert79 17:44:22 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: irish - 7 changes by tem 17:44:30 *** elmz [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:44:47 <planetmaker> that saves the nightly ;-) 17:45:40 *** fanioz [~fanioz@180.214.232.26] has joined #openttd 17:53:20 <KouDy> yea 17:53:23 <KouDy> i can see it now 17:53:37 <KouDy> tho i ventured into something else for a bit 17:55:42 <KouDy> i'm trying to put together some kind of table (or database) which can be used as cross reference for what on earth should belong to where (read as cargo123 is to be delivered into plant456) 17:59:40 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:08:52 <planetmaker> you should play with nightly. It has a in-built cargo graphcs 18:11:46 <KouDy> if lumber yard 18:11:51 <KouDy> accepts 2 cargos 18:11:57 <KouDy> and produces 2 cargos 18:12:05 <KouDy> how exactly does that one work? 18:12:28 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.16.140] has joined #openttd 18:12:31 <frosch123> planetmaker: "Allows to set compatibility." still sounds broken 18:12:56 <KouDy> what if only one type of cargo is delivered, how then is determined which output will be created by the plant (if any) 18:13:20 <planetmaker> frosch123: do you have a better proposal? 18:13:29 <planetmaker> Maybe just... 'disable default waggons' 18:14:14 <planetmaker> KouDy: only the quantity of input counts wrt ouput. Which is equally distributed among types 18:14:29 <KouDy> i see 18:14:32 <KouDy> ufff 18:14:38 <KouDy> that makes things easier i guess 18:16:03 <frosch123> what does the setting actually do? 18:16:33 <frosch123> set climate to 0 for all wagons? 18:17:42 <frosch123> maybe "Disable this setting to keep the default non-refittable single-cargo wagons. You should especially disable this setting, if you have already built such wagons." 18:17:59 <frosch123> But then i would suggest to rename the setting to "Keep default wagons" 18:18:12 <frosch123> so there are less duplicate negations :p 18:19:01 <planetmaker> yes, it sets climate to 0 for all default wagons 18:19:09 <planetmaker> (well, those which are not needed) 18:19:33 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:22:19 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 18:25:10 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 18:27:26 *** fjb is now known as Guest2419 18:27:28 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFD4D3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:34:11 *** Zuu [~Zuu@2.68.119.140] has joined #openttd 18:34:17 *** Guest2419 [~frank@p5DDFFA5D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:35:38 <Zuu> Hmm, interesting IP I got, 2.x.y.z Never seen that I had a such low initial number before. :-) 18:36:27 <Zuu> (I haven't got broadband yet in my new apartment so it is just a 3G-connection) 18:39:39 <Zuu> Oh, and if someone though that Visual Basic or some other language sucks, they should try to program in VAP. XD. Very limited set of built in functions, no posibility to define your own functions - only subroutines. Subroutines can't take arguments nor pass results and there are no local variables - only global vars. At least you don't need to deal with multi-threading. :-p 18:40:10 <Zuu> Eg. max, min, abs or mod do not exist in that language. 18:40:38 *** Tennel [~Tennel@88.150.10.194] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 18:41:51 <__ln__> Is that a real-world language? (Versus academic or joke.) 18:42:06 <Zuu> It is used to program traffic signals in VisSim. 18:43:02 <Zuu> VisSim is the defacto professional traffic simulation software out there. 18:44:39 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@5e0ba6f2.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 18:45:27 <SmatZ> Zuu: such a language is fine by me :) 18:45:52 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc22b9.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:46:03 <SmatZ> you can always use global variables to simulate the stack 18:46:32 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@host217-44-165-106.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:46:40 <SmatZ> each thread can use its separate stack 18:47:14 <SmatZ> just it seems to me using an ASM would be easier :) 18:47:22 <Zuu> hehe 18:49:49 <Zuu> There is also a COM-interface for VisSim so you could use a more modern language instead. The only problem would be finding time to get into it. :-) 18:50:03 <SmatZ> :) 18:50:22 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0a22c8.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:50:22 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 19:07:19 <planetmaker> hm... invading the romulan empire with Dragon class baseships seems wrong ;-) 19:08:12 <__ln__> is that a federation class or what? 19:12:40 *** V453000 is now known as Guest2424 19:14:33 <planetmaker> Dragon class base ships are from the Cylons ;-) 19:14:47 <planetmaker> you know... those mother ships hunting the Galactica 19:15:18 <__ln__> ah 19:15:39 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db1b088.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: gn8] 19:15:53 <planetmaker> But then... I eliminated the Borg already :-P 19:16:46 <__ln__> busy day 19:19:24 <planetmaker> actually... that game is running since mid 2007 ;-) 19:19:47 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc22b9.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:20:37 <planetmaker> with ~1.5 turns a week it takes time 19:22:54 * andythenorth_ ponders 19:22:55 <andythenorth_> :P 19:23:22 <planetmaker> hehe 19:24:34 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC1F65.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:36:12 *** V453000 [d45053cb@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 19:36:17 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-97-247.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:42:00 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8589.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:54:40 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:55:24 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 19:59:55 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@host217-44-165-106.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth_] 20:03:46 <KouDy> hmmm some cargo types can be produced in more than one industry type 20:03:49 <KouDy> interesting :) 20:05:39 <KouDy> planetmaker: waste is not impleneted yet? 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:) 23:32:20 <peter1138> ... defined? 23:32:36 <peter1138> It worked perfectly, now I get send: Resource temporarily unavailable. 23:33:26 <FauxFaux> As in, the code was wrong but happened to work. i.e. the way that int *p=new int; delete p; *p=5; normally works. 23:34:42 <peter1138> Yerrrsss... 23:34:47 <glx> shouldn't work :) 23:34:56 <glx> blame the compiler if it accepts it ;) 23:35:51 <FauxFaux> Fails to fail on both debug C++ implementations I have to hand. 23:48:01 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.21.227.88] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 23:59:32 <SpComb> peter1138: SOCK_WAIT! 23:59:45 <SpComb> or what was it