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00:02:44 <Samu> it's working fine :) 00:03:14 <Samu> whoever worked on the transfer system is a genious 00:03:31 *** fjb_mobile [~fjb@89.204.153.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:13:11 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 00:13:14 <Samu> question 00:13:23 <Samu> during subsidies 00:13:45 <Samu> when transferring from 1 to 2 and then delivering from 2 to 3, why does it apply the subsidy twice? 00:14:21 <Samu> from 1 to 2 there's no subsidy 00:14:47 <Samu> from 2 to 3, the subsidy applies to all the transfers in course 00:14:52 <Samu> is it supposed to be that way? 00:14:59 <glx> maybe a bug 00:15:17 <Samu> i give you numbers 00:15:30 <Samu> from 1 to 3, a direct system, no transfers, I receive 00:15:32 <glx> well the subsidy apply to "1 to 2" delivery 00:15:38 <glx> hmm 1 to 3 00:15:40 <Samu> sec, checking 00:16:24 <Samu> ok, this subsidy was 3x income 00:16:45 <Samu> it rewarded 1890 00:17:00 <Samu> it's 630 normal income 00:17:11 <Samu> the other truck, goes from 1 to 2 and 2 to 3 00:17:28 <Samu> from 1 to 2 there's no way for the game to know it's going to be subsidized, only from 2 to 3 00:17:42 <Samu> without subsidy 00:17:52 <Samu> 1 to 2 gets a transfer of 260 00:17:58 <planetmaker> good night 00:18:00 <Samu> from 2 to 3 transfer is 370 00:18:10 <Samu> 260+370 = 630 which is correct 00:18:18 <Samu> but during subsidy 00:18:38 <Samu> those 260 will be multiplied by 3 00:18:42 <Eddi|nichZuHause2> subsidy is for the whole route 00:19:08 <Samu> shouldn't it only be 250+370*3? 00:19:11 <Samu> 260 00:19:13 <glx> cargo knows where it comes from 00:19:25 <glx> and it's 1 to 3 00:19:35 <Samu> ah, so it's correct 00:19:37 <glx> you're paid for the whole route 00:19:55 <Eddi|nichZuHause2> all cargo originating in Town A, and final delivery in Town B will get x3 00:20:08 <glx> transfer are virtual money only for the vehicles 00:22:43 <Samu> 1630 is the final number 00:22:49 <Samu> wondering how this was calculated 00:23:05 <Samu> 1890-260? 00:23:19 <glx> yes 00:23:50 <Samu> 1630 was the real income when it went from 2 to 3 00:23:59 <Samu> bug or intended? 00:24:01 <glx> but that's the revenue for the vehicle :) 00:24:48 <glx> your income was 1890 00:26:09 <glx> but it's easier to just don't care, making money is easy enough to not look into details 00:28:19 <Samu> I think I get it 00:28:41 <Samu> distance from 1 to 2 is not equal to distance from 2 to 3 00:28:56 <Samu> distance from 1 to 3 is however, equal to distance from 1 to 2 + 2 to 3 00:29:19 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.130.59] has joined #openttd 00:29:23 <Samu> it still counts when calculating transfer 00:31:45 <Hirundo> transfer money is just like today's euros/dollars; they look nice but they have no actual value 00:32:11 <Samu> tomorrow I'll do a better testing scenario about this 00:32:22 <Samu> equal distances between all stations 00:32:26 <Samu> gotta go 00:32:38 <Samu> bye 00:33:20 *** ecke_ [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 00:34:52 *** Samu [Samu@162.33.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [] 00:36:01 *** Mazur [~mazur@53551A99.cm-6-6a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 00:37:24 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF81F7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:40:19 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.130.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:01:27 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.0.104.150] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 01:06:40 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-225-206.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:11:11 *** perk111 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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I wonder why that code works for road vehicles 07:19:22 <Rubidium> because RVs don't need 0 speed for turning 07:19:47 <Rubidium> i.e. for RVs turning is just going through two corners at the end of a road tile 07:20:05 <planetmaker> good morning 07:20:06 <Rubidium> whereas turning of trains entails stopping and really going the other way 07:20:10 <Rubidium> moi planetmaker 07:20:28 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:20:57 <Terkhen> oh, I see 07:21:16 <Terkhen> hi planetmaker 07:23:45 <Ammler> heya people, hmm, god already switched to arctic climate here, snowline below :-/ 07:24:09 <planetmaker> he :-) 07:24:21 <planetmaker> when I returned last night it was freezing here, too 07:24:33 <Rubidium> nah, you already were in the arctic climate. Just the snowline (from the NewGRF) wasn't set low enough for the previous days 07:24:50 <Ammler> the house roofs are white in the neighbour hood 07:25:09 <planetmaker> that's early for my liking, but well :-) 07:28:58 <planetmaker> the only thing which is IMHO really bad about winter is that it gets dark *really* early 07:29:13 <Terkhen> here too, but the snowline is still set to 3 km 07:32:02 <Ammler> I am at 900m and already white 07:32:27 <Ammler> oh well, you are the sunny guy here :-P 07:35:07 <Terkhen> :) 07:35:34 <Eddi|nichZuHause> yes, it's almost dark here already :p 07:35:45 <Terkhen> hmmm... 07:36:34 * Terkhen wonders why he never noticed that road vehicles brake instantly under realistic acceleration 07:39:37 <Terkhen> I also wonder if it is worth it to add that; to me it seems like something added just for the sake of realism 07:39:57 <planetmaker> Belugas will love you for that ;-) 07:41:58 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:42:06 <Terkhen> I am already happy with how the acceleration works, that probably means that I don't feel braking slowly is needed or I would have noticed by now 07:42:22 <Rubidium> s/realism/consistency/ s/Belugas/SmatZ/ 07:42:32 <planetmaker> :-) I wouldn't have noticed it either, Terkhen :-) 07:42:59 <Terkhen> time for coffee, maybe the world and my words will make sense after that 07:43:11 <planetmaker> :-D 07:47:17 <planetmaker> Hm... I've a dilemma: on the German keyboard ^ (a dead key usually) opens the console. So either I treat that key as a key modifier or I let it open/close the console and not work properly otherwise. 07:47:44 <planetmaker> Or I just ignore that and live with the fact that < also opens the console, but without any problem 07:48:06 <planetmaker> But I'm not even sure what the 'correct' behaviour in such case would be. 07:48:06 <Ammler> which console? 07:48:11 <planetmaker> openttd ingame 07:48:32 <Ammler> that is here § 07:48:35 <planetmaker> Swiss keyboard layout might yet be different. But left of 1 is ^ 07:48:40 <Ammler> a char you never use 07:48:57 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 07:49:14 <planetmaker> But it's nice to be able to add signs like señor or égalité 07:49:40 <planetmaker> but opening the console an then nearly inevitable have a ^ as first character is also bad 07:49:49 <planetmaker> unless I change my habit 07:49:57 *** Mortomes|Work [~MortomesW@mail.qps.nl] has joined #openttd 07:50:02 <planetmaker> to use <. But then the key left of 1 is standard afaik 07:50:26 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 07:50:33 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 07:51:00 <planetmaker> hm... my hotkeys.cfg lists it as 'BACKQUOTE' 07:51:10 <planetmaker> I wonder what any of those keys has to do with 'backquote' 07:52:22 <Terkhen> hmm... that's right, it should be consistent 07:53:08 <Terkhen> besides, the common acceleration code should already handle braking slowly, but the speed is being set to zero somewhere 07:58:24 <Terkhen> of course, it's more complicated than that :) 08:01:59 *** goblin [~goblin@krlh-5f73670f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 08:03:27 *** X-2 [~X-2@5ED67292.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:29:56 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:33:55 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 08:37:26 *** IchGuckLive [~chatzilla@88-134-59-132-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 08:37:34 <IchGuckLive> Hi from Germany 08:37:56 <IchGuckLive> is somthing wrong with the homepage i can not connect to it 08:38:25 <IchGuckLive> Quest can i turn (rotate)the map 08:38:26 <planetmaker> yes. server issues 08:39:56 <Terkhen> the map can't be rotated 08:40:10 <IchGuckLive> thank ypou 08:40:10 <planetmaker> question != quest 08:40:42 <IchGuckLive> ah ok sorry im 54 my english is not perfect 08:42:40 *** AveiMil [~AveiMil@232.81-166-168.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 08:44:16 <IchGuckLive> i'am living around Ramstein/AFB Germany 75 thousand American soldier around in a 5 thousand German City 08:45:40 <Ammler> still, thought they are gone since 89 08:46:08 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-86-49-123-204.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 08:46:14 <IchGuckLive> there are Centerd in spots 08:46:19 <planetmaker> Ammler: not really. nor why should they? 08:46:28 <planetmaker> it's the USAF's European hub air base 08:47:18 <planetmaker> though I doubt they have 75k soldiers there ;-) 08:50:40 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 08:50:43 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 08:51:46 <Ammler> yeah, wikipedia tells something else, also no jets anymore 08:54:54 <planetmaker> none? I believe it's a place to host strategical bombers 08:55:29 <planetmaker> and even rumored to have nukes there 08:55:37 <planetmaker> (even though it must not be admitted) 08:57:15 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A87B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:57:26 <planetmaker> maybe not anymore, though 08:57:30 <planetmaker> who knows ;-) 08:57:48 <Ammler> hehe 08:58:02 <Ammler> I hope, your officials do 08:58:53 <Ammler> everything what is done from there is kinda also part of Germany 09:01:09 <planetmaker> sure it is... But not much control there... 09:02:27 *** goblin [~goblin@krlh-5f73670f.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:02:32 <IchGuckLive> what does at start at end mean at the traffic plan ? 09:03:48 <planetmaker> if your station is longer than the train it sets the place where the train actually stops 09:04:19 <IchGuckLive> ok 09:04:39 <andythenorth> Rubidium: wondering if the FIRS bug you found is caused by this known issue: 09:04:39 <andythenorth> #include "sprites/nfo/industries/quarry.pnfo" 09:04:40 <andythenorth> #include "sprites/nfo/industries/sawmill.pnfo" 09:04:40 <andythenorth> #include "sprites/nfo/industries/sheepfarm.pnfo" 09:04:46 <andythenorth> oops, paste fail :o 09:04:49 <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1216 09:04:56 <IchGuckLive> after now 3days the signaling is moe confuse then at the start 09:06:25 <Rubidium> I've got no idea 09:08:14 <andythenorth> well there are some plausible reasons it would be that issue :) 09:08:41 <andythenorth> I'll leave the bug open and hope it goes away when I make changes elsewhere 09:09:20 <IchGuckLive> is ther somthing i can do on a long rail track to avoid crash 09:09:31 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:09:39 <andythenorth> IchGuckLive: ask a better question? :P 09:09:59 <andythenorth> ;) 09:10:16 <planetmaker> IchGuckLive: trains don't crash. Unless you ask specifically for it by telling a train to ignore signals 09:10:39 <IchGuckLive> breakdown 09:10:40 * andythenorth just thought of an awesome prank 09:10:50 <andythenorth> switch someone's smiley icon set to invert them :D 09:11:34 <planetmaker> if you play with break-downs you cannot avoid them completely 09:12:09 <IchGuckLive> so is there a hook anywhere that i can get rid of breakdowns 09:12:37 <andythenorth> yes 09:12:44 * andythenorth looks 09:12:51 <planetmaker> difficulty settings 09:12:53 <andythenorth> difficulty setting 09:13:19 <IchGuckLive> not to change in a runing game 09:13:33 <IchGuckLive> only at the start of a new one 09:13:44 <andythenorth> can use that in a game, or at the start of a new one 09:15:44 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:16:29 <IchGuckLive> thanks 09:16:44 <IchGuckLive> rest is over so till later BY 09:16:48 *** IchGuckLive [~chatzilla@88-134-59-132-dynip.superkabel.de] has 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TTD, there was TT. 09:39:09 <andythenorth> google 'tech model railroad club' 09:39:13 <andythenorth> and also 'space war' 09:39:22 * andythenorth spent far too much time with trains and lego as a kid 09:40:28 <b_jonas> I tried to build a motorized lego car with a gearbox with more than two gears instead, but never succeeded 09:40:34 <b_jonas> two gears are easy 09:41:09 <b_jonas> though I also never built one that had two gears and switched automatically depending on which direction you run the engine 09:41:10 <ccfreak2k> I tried the same thing, but in garrysmod. 09:41:22 <ccfreak2k> More recently. 09:42:09 <andythenorth> b_jonas: http://technicbricks.blogspot.com/2009/11/week-techvideo-2009-48-automatic.html 09:44:04 <b_jonas> andythenorth: yes, that's even cooler 09:55:32 *** Eddi|nichZuHause [~EddinichZ@46.115.121.150] has quit [] 10:04:29 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC4120.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:09:57 *** Vadtec [~Vadtec@i.am.vadtec.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 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Terkhen: ships stop instantly as well :) 12:38:10 <SmatZ> and aircraft too, if not flying... 12:38:13 <SmatZ> hello all :) 12:38:17 <Terkhen> hi SmatZ :) 12:38:44 <planetmaker> moin SmatZ :-) 12:39:07 <SmatZ> hello Terkhen and planetmaker :) 12:39:30 <avdg> hi 12:39:38 <Terkhen> IMO gradual stop is not really needed for road vehicles; not even if we wanted to consider realism reasons 12:39:42 <SmatZ> hello avdg 12:39:51 <Terkhen> so the only reason to include that would be consistency between all vehicle types with realistic acceleration 12:40:27 <SmatZ> RVs have much bigger tractive effort than trains 12:40:35 <SmatZ> said in that terminology :) 12:40:47 <SmatZ> hmm 12:40:54 <SmatZ> maybe not, they are much lighter 12:41:41 <SmatZ> but anyway, RVs can stop at several tens of meters from full speed, trains at kilometers 12:41:46 <SmatZ> so it makes sense :) 12:41:46 <Terkhen> yes; what I mean is that I have never heard of a truck requiring a few kilometers to brake 12:42:05 <Terkhen> so it even makes sense to let them stop "instantaneously" 12:42:54 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@147.251.209.82] has joined #openttd 12:45:34 <fjb> There are trucks which have trouble to stop at all downhill. But that is another story, I guess. 12:46:40 <SmatZ> is the slope even accounted in acceleration? 12:47:33 <b_jonas> SmatZ: it is for trains in the traditional non-realistic model I think 12:47:44 <b_jonas> maybe in the realistic too, but not as much 12:48:05 <b_jonas> but I noticed that my ships seem to go up on consecutive locks just as fast as on normal sea 12:48:14 <b_jonas> which seems a bit unrealistic 12:48:21 <Terkhen> the slope is accounted, yes 12:48:35 <SmatZ> b_jonas: Terkhen: ok, thanks, I just can't find it :) 12:48:52 <b_jonas> but then the locks are expensive so maybe they have huge reserves of water and fill very fast 12:51:23 <SmatZ> found it, GetSlopeResistance() :) 12:52:13 <b_jonas> and, as everyone knows, ttdspace is distorted, the sea squares are much larger than the road squares. 12:52:21 <fjb> Trucks which are unable to stop downhill if they are fully loaded would be fun. :-) 12:52:39 <SmatZ> :) 12:54:09 * fjb is still playing r19639 because of the cargo distribution patch. 12:54:30 <b_jonas> fjb: there was a patch that puts vegetation on unused train tracks which slows down trains but shrink if a train goes there. combine that with this so fully loaded trucks can't stop on downhill slopes above snow level that weren't used for ages 12:56:00 <fjb> Icy roads on slopes. :-) 12:56:17 <andythenorth> road types 12:56:19 <andythenorth> :P 12:56:37 <andythenorth> drop the coefficient of friction ~0 on ice 12:56:55 <fjb> Hm, where is Peter? 12:57:51 <__ln___> which one? 12:57:53 <b_jonas> but, in general, trucks having problems on snowy roads makes more sense to me than trains stopped by lush vegetation 12:58:08 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-131.dslextreme.com] has joined #openttd 12:58:22 <b_jonas> though actually that applies more to cars in cities than trucks 12:58:47 <andythenorth> http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=ld3BAAK9FsU 13:01:57 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... something's suddenly wrong with ICQ... it says my password is wrong?! 13:02:36 <__ln___> Eddi|zuHause: same here a few days ago 13:02:51 <Eddi|zuHause> any reason? 13:02:57 *** AveiMil [~AveiMil@232.81-166-168.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 13:03:15 <__ln___> try disabling SSL 13:03:52 <fjb> __ln___: The nice one. 13:04:53 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause: ICQ getting agressive against third party clients I guess. 13:08:26 <planetmaker> <andythenorth> drop the coefficient of friction ~0 on ice <-- we had that last night already... 13:13:56 <Eddi|zuHause> apparently needs changing the login server to "login.icq.com" 13:19:15 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-86-49-123-204.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:34:11 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:34:15 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: just change the login server to login.icq.com 13:34:24 <Ammler> oh :-) 13:34:30 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, i found out ;) 13:34:34 <Ammler> I just read to the end :-P 13:36:41 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC4120.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:39:06 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC2E03.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:52:30 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d946.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 13:56:59 *** Absolutis [~58c3a36f@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:57:14 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:57:16 *** tneo [~tneo@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:57:24 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:57:24 *** Ammler [~ammler@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:57:38 *** ^Spike^ [~Spike@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:57:41 *** avdg [~avdg@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:57:41 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:57:44 *** planetmaker [~planetmak@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:57:44 *** V453000 [~V453000@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:57:53 *** SmatZ [~SmatZ@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:00:39 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 14:01:23 *** SmatZ [~SmatZ@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 14:01:27 *** mode/#openttd [+o SmatZ] by ChanServ 14:02:12 *** ^Spike^ [~Spike@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 14:03:08 *** planetmaker [~planetmak@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 14:03:12 *** mode/#openttd [+o planetmaker] by ChanServ 14:03:42 *** tneo [~tneo@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 14:04:30 *** Ammler [~ammler@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 14:04:53 *** perk111 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 14:05:08 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 14:05:11 *** mode/#openttd [+o Terkhen] by ChanServ 14:05:29 *** V453000 [~V453000@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 14:05:36 <Belugas> hello 14:06:02 <Terkhen> hello Belugas 14:06:22 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 14:07:15 <Belugas> hi hi senor Terkhen :) 14:07:39 *** avdg [~avdg@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 14:07:45 <planetmaker> salut sir Belugas 14:08:20 *** avdg [~avdg@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Killed (NickServ (Too many failed password attempts.))] 14:08:38 *** avdg [~avdg@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 14:08:55 <Belugas> sir planetmaker :) 14:09:01 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:09:02 <Belugas> how's life you all ? 14:10:01 <SmatZ> not bad :) 14:12:54 <Belugas> good to know. same here, apart the rain and dark sky, but... after all, it's fall. and not winter yet! 14:15:14 <SmatZ> :-) 14:23:01 <fjb> Moin Belugas 14:23:19 <Belugas> ho... and my brother called me , we're going to put concrete on my basement floor in two saturdays. this weekend, we're going to transport th concrete bags. 30kg each. 25 to carry from the store to down the stairs 14:23:32 <Belugas> hooo... my poor programmer's back :S 14:23:35 <SmatZ> :( 14:23:52 <planetmaker> uh :-( 14:24:01 <Rubidium> poor Belugas... you'd never find 30kg bags here 14:24:02 *** ooovooo2 [~ooovooo2@196.205.178.126] has joined #openttd 14:24:13 <Belugas> no??? 14:24:14 *** ooovooo2 [~ooovooo2@196.205.178.126] has quit [] 14:24:15 *** ooovooo2 [~ooovooo2@196.205.178.126] has joined #openttd 14:24:17 *** ooovooo2 [~ooovooo2@196.205.178.126] has quit [] 14:24:50 *** ooovooo2 [~ooovooo2@196.205.178.126] has joined #openttd 14:24:55 <ooovooo2> hi 14:24:56 <Rubidium> Belugas: no, legally workers may only carry 25kg (without a lifting device), so the bags in the shops are limited to that as well 14:24:59 <ooovooo2> I ned help 14:25:00 <ooovooo2> ? 14:25:03 <ooovooo2> plezz 14:25:14 <llugo> Don't ask to ask, just ask 14:25:15 <ooovooo2> I need help 14:25:28 <Belugas> me too!@!!! I NEED HELP!!!MY BACK WILL!!!! 14:25:41 <Rubidium> ooovooo2: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html 14:25:44 <Belugas> Rubidium, i like your country more than mine ;) 14:25:55 <planetmaker> Belugas, why?! 14:25:59 <Rubidium> Belugas: you'd need to go up/down that stair 30 times though 14:26:04 <ooovooo2> want to play with a group on the game 14:26:11 <ooovooo2> how I can do it 14:26:17 <Belugas> planetmaker, they make lighter concrete bags ;) 14:26:41 <planetmaker> also... Belugas what about a dolly? 14:26:42 <Belugas> true that... 14:26:52 <Belugas> dolly? on th stairs? 14:26:53 <andythenorth> Belugas: what about an employee? :P 14:26:57 <Belugas> mmh... could be... 14:26:59 <planetmaker> Belugas, that's what it's for 14:27:07 <Belugas> naaa.... i'll do it with my bro; 14:27:08 <planetmaker> maybe I found the wrong word... 14:27:22 <planetmaker> sack barrow. sack truck 14:27:24 <planetmaker> whatever :-)= 14:27:46 <planetmaker> would still be easier than carrying it 14:27:49 <Belugas> ooovooo2, there's plenty of wiki / forums for that. have you searched a bit? have you tried a bit? 14:28:03 <Belugas> i think i know what you mean, planetmaker 14:28:19 *** ooovooo2 [~ooovooo2@196.205.178.126] has quit [] 14:28:27 <planetmaker> http://www.siebershop.de/catalog/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=sackkarre&Submit=%3E%3E 14:28:41 <andythenorth> slide 14:29:11 <planetmaker> oh... no patience those guys anymore 14:29:55 <Belugas> feeeed feeeeed feeeeed!!!! 14:29:57 <Belugas> hu? 14:30:04 <Belugas> no food? 14:30:13 <Belugas> oooooooouuuiiiiiiiinn!!!! 14:30:51 <Belugas> are we that bad? should all queries be answered with a smile? 14:30:57 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 14:31:04 <planetmaker> certainly not 14:33:50 * andythenorth requests a vote. Explosives cargo for mining economy in FIRS....yes or no? 14:34:14 <fjb> Exploding trucks! I want it. 14:34:16 <andythenorth> (potential problem due to war theme) 14:35:07 <avdg> hmm, war in openttd? 14:35:39 <fjb> Everything could be used as a weapon, so I see no war thing in there. But I would strongly vote against explicit war stuff. 14:35:47 * avdg doesn't know how to simulate that ingame 14:39:10 <George> is it possible to transport cargo from the industry in the sea if the industry does not have the dock/helipad without rising a ground and building a dock on it? 14:39:45 <planetmaker> no 14:39:59 <planetmaker> except by building a train station in the vicinity 14:40:05 <planetmaker> or airport 14:40:14 <George> in TTDP it is possible to make a buoy that would store cargo 14:40:23 <planetmaker> but not in OpenTTD 14:40:47 <planetmaker> currently at least 14:40:48 <andythenorth> George: no 14:41:08 <planetmaker> but I know of no really good concept how that should be solved 14:41:10 <andythenorth> new airports / new stations will extend what stations can be included in an industry 14:41:13 <planetmaker> Except newgrf ports 14:41:23 <andythenorth> there's a proof of concept somewhere 14:42:17 <George> andythenorth: do you mean FS#2479 is solved? 14:42:20 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 14:42:23 *** Joni_ [~Joni-@dsl-vsabrasgw1-fe00dc00-41.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:42:44 <andythenorth> George: no 14:42:51 <andythenorth> but there is some work towards it 14:43:03 <andythenorth> I don't know how much 14:43:14 <andythenorth> I don't know if new airports branch is making progress currently 14:43:37 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-131.dslextreme.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:44:32 <George> who is doing new airports branch? 14:45:00 <andythenorth> yexo? 14:45:27 <planetmaker> the repo log suggests: not much going on 14:47:02 <__ln___> what's new about new airports? 14:47:04 <George> Yexo: are you here? 14:48:28 <planetmaker> __ln___, newgrf airports? 14:48:50 <Ammler> afaik, currently, it is able to rotate the default airports 14:49:03 *** Joni- [~Joni-@80.220.0.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:49:40 <planetmaker> that's in trunk 14:49:49 <planetmaker> maybe even stable. Don't know 14:50:16 <planetmaker> and the airportsplus newgrf implements that for the small airport 14:50:31 *** Joni_ [~Joni-@dsl-vsabrasgw1-fe00dc00-41.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:50:32 <__ln___> isn't the runway kind of short and wide if i it's rotated 90° 14:50:53 <planetmaker> did you try the newgrf? 14:51:13 <planetmaker> if not... do so 14:51:58 <__ln___> i guess the only newgrf i've tried is trams 14:55:49 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:56:51 <planetmaker> hm... should I err? 14:57:50 <planetmaker> well. At least OpenTTD supports it, but I fail to convince the small airport to rotate. 15:02:08 *** green-devil [~agw@0603ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [] 15:16:46 *** jpx [jpx_@a91-156-251-33.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 15:20:41 *** jpx_ [jpx_@a91-156-251-33.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:27:24 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 15:31:14 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:283a:8c36:5009:88d6] has joined #openttd 15:31:17 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 15:32:52 *** jpx [jpx_@a91-156-251-33.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 15:37:34 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-131.dslextreme.com] has joined #openttd 15:38:48 <planetmaker> hm, any reason why vehicle variable 0x60 cannot be cached? 15:39:13 <Rubidium> parameter? 15:40:05 <planetmaker> yes 15:41:43 <SmatZ> for each vehicle, that value could represent number of vehicles with the same ID after it 15:42:00 <Rubidium> SmatZ: no, with one of 256 IDs 15:42:05 <SmatZ> so you would only need to find first matching vehicle 15:42:13 <SmatZ> Rubidium: oh 15:42:34 <Rubidium> and for each vehicle part 15:43:09 <planetmaker> hm 15:43:11 <Rubidium> as it basically counts the number of that ID currently+following 15:44:44 *** green-devil [~agw@0603ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 15:44:53 <planetmaker> ok... it could be cached if it didn't accept a parameter but gave the number of the very same ID within the consist 15:59:47 *** Mortomes|Work [~MortomesW@mail.qps.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:02:40 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:05:05 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 16:08:29 <Yexo> George: yes, I'm here. but I have to go in a few minutes 16:08:42 <Yexo> will be back later tonight, in about 5 or 6 hours 16:13:09 *** jpx_ [jpx_@a91-156-251-33.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 16:13:29 <planetmaker> the question was about the current state of affairs on airports 16:13:47 <planetmaker> hi also and enjoy whatever you're bound to do :-) 16:14:56 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF82F3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:50:54 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 16:52:57 *** X-2 [~X-2@a82-95-91-139.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 16:55:28 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f7f6f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:05:09 *** Samu [Samu@195.64.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 17:08:24 <Samu> hello 17:13:55 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe8bde00-63.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:15:56 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-131.dslextreme.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:18:39 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC2E03.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 17:28:24 *** IchGuckLive [~chatzilla@88-134-59-132-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 17:28:45 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-24-140.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:30:09 <IchGuckLive> Hi are ther e somtiomes things disapearing (i put a station beside a Forest camp ) and as i delevered a train there where no camp anymore ? 17:31:00 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-98-142.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 17:31:03 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 17:31:07 <IchGuckLive> also is there a time between setting up a station and the station has some produktion 17:32:03 <SmatZ> bad luck 17:32:11 <IchGuckLive> O.O 17:32:35 <SmatZ> cargo starts appearing once first vehicle taking that cargo arrives 17:32:40 <SmatZ> (with default settings) 17:33:09 <IchGuckLive> is there a basic Strategie on the game ground to go for it 17:33:30 <IchGuckLive> SmatZ: so i got to put in the path wait for load 17:33:50 <Belugas> industries can get removed when not serviced, or if you enabled the cheat for destroying everything. The town can use it too ;) 17:33:51 <SmatZ> IchGuckLive: yes, "full load" order is often useful 17:34:07 <IchGuckLive> there is a drop doun menue but it seams to only work one of the items in it 17:34:44 <SmatZ> IchGuckLive: you have to select the order by clicking on it 17:34:49 <IchGuckLive> is there a reading that tells the issues of the train contracts maybe a tutorial ? 17:35:19 <Samu> tutorial, that just gave me an idea 17:35:33 <IchGuckLive> B) 17:36:59 <Samu> gonna record TTD original tutorials to a video 17:37:20 <planetmaker> you could just go to youtube... 17:37:38 <Samu> i just won't be able to upload any time soon 17:37:46 <IchGuckLive> with basic strategie i mean From Download openttd generate a terrain then first go for cole to power then busservice then .... 17:38:11 <planetmaker> go to our wiki... 17:38:25 <IchGuckLive> planetmaker: im there 17:38:31 <planetmaker> it even has a German translation of the tutorial... 17:38:51 <IchGuckLive> this give me only samples of eatch issue but no overview 17:39:37 <IchGuckLive> as i come from railroadtycoon im most interestet in trains there it is only by transporting peopöle and mail 17:40:06 <planetmaker> then maybe youtube will indeed help you, it has lots of more or often less quality tutorials 17:40:20 <planetmaker> But I don't know them really, so I can't recommend any particular one 17:40:41 <IchGuckLive> in a chart you can see what type of wagon is giving you what money for 5 feald travel distance 17:41:04 <IchGuckLive> ok 17:41:20 <IchGuckLive> ao i youtube now 17:42:57 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0b95c9.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 17:43:08 <planetmaker> there's also an active German forum dedicated to OpenTTD and alike. tt-ms.de - maybe they know there some good advice or tutorials in German. 17:50:29 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: bbml] 17:51:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21220 /trunk/src/ (57 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: give a string a much better name 17:53:16 <IchGuckLive> alot of fun stuff is playd around http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3WteqMsw5c 17:54:08 <IchGuckLive> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUkVepUqPYU&NR=1 17:55:23 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe8bde00-63.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 17:56:18 <IchGuckLive> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3nfy0QLhjw 18:03:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21221 /trunk/src/ (58 files in 3 dirs): -Fix (r11429): short cargo units names for some cargo types/strings are not properly mapped to the strings that we use for the default industries 18:04:52 <andythenorth> Are "Rob's finished graphics" a massive GPL violation? 18:05:46 <andythenorth> I haven't decompiled it to see, but I can't think of an easy way to draw those sprites without infringing copyright 18:05:56 <andythenorth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=51189 18:07:51 <Rubidium> andythenorth: if I read the first post correctly kamnet was given a blanket GPLv2 license by Rob for his work for the purpose of that conversion 18:08:04 <andythenorth> but Rob can't grant that license 18:08:20 <andythenorth> he's modifying S.F's original sprites 18:08:31 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF82F3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:08:35 <andythenorth> unless they've done it by comping in action 2 to insane level 18:08:49 <Rubidium> I've got no idea what he did 18:08:55 <SmatZ> modifying them wouldn't be violation of GPL 18:10:14 <andythenorth> in what way? 18:11:01 <andythenorth> violation / invalidation /s 18:11:43 <planetmaker> technically he could be in possession of the right to make derivative work of the original sprites 18:11:47 <planetmaker> but that's doubtful 18:12:01 <planetmaker> so I believe that andy most probably is right 18:12:27 <andythenorth> Pikka does much the same, but Pikka refuses any specific license 18:12:37 <andythenorth> it's one thing to infringe copyright on a dead game 18:12:47 <andythenorth> it's another to distribute that incorrectly under GPL 18:14:47 <IchGuckLive> on most of the Youtube vidios are they building there own terain or does the citys grow ? 18:14:48 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21222 /trunk/src/ (59 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: unify some string drawing and make it use the proper infrastructure for that... 18:15:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21223 /trunk/src/lang/english.txt: -Fix: use proper plural for the short cargo unit names 18:15:54 <Rubidium> there... now the translators have some work again :) 18:20:20 *** IchGuckLive [~chatzilla@88-134-59-132-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100423140709]] 18:20:57 <planetmaker> month{P 0:1 "" s} <-- what does that exactly do? 18:21:07 <planetmaker> 0 months, 1 month, 2 months? 18:21:58 <Rubidium> planetmaker: exactly 18:24:35 *** goblin [~goblin@krlh-5f73670f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:25:23 <Eddi|zuHause> isn't the 0:1 something that picks which parameter this is based on? 18:26:00 <frosch123> yes 18:26:35 <frosch123> of parameter 0 the subparameter 1 18:26:44 <frosch123> or so 18:34:03 <SmatZ> hmm czech translation of STR_CONFIG_SETTING_HOVER_DELAY is nonsencial 18:34:11 <SmatZ> but how to translate "hover events"? 18:34:20 <SmatZ> does that make sense in English? :) 18:35:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21224 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix [FS#4172]: [NewGRF] The specs' cargo strings and OpenTTD's use of the clashed. Provide properties so NewGRFs can provide cargo strings tailored for OpenTTD while retaining (some) backward compatability 18:36:46 *** Yexo [~Yexo@153-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:36:51 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@153-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 18:36:54 *** mode/#openttd [+o Yexo_] by ChanServ 18:38:50 <planetmaker> SmatZ, "mouse over" better translatable? 18:40:22 <SmatZ> planetmaker: I just changed it to "delay to show tooltip" 18:40:37 <SmatZ> the "last changed date" field is strange 18:40:42 <SmatZ> marek995 (revision 20854, 1 year ago) 18:40:53 <SmatZ> it's like, 2 months ago... 18:41:49 *** X-2 [~X-2@5ED67292.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 18:44:15 <Rubidium> SmatZ: looked at the website's bug tracker? 18:44:17 <planetmaker> yes. That works or works not often in strange ways 18:44:48 <SmatZ> Rubidium: ok :) 18:44:57 <SmatZ> sorry 18:45:05 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r21225 /trunk/src/lang/ (14 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 18:45:05 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:05 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: croatian - 7 changes by VoyagerOne 18:45:05 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: czech - 14 changes by SmatZ 18:45:05 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: dutch - 2 changes by habell 18:45:05 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: finnish - 8 changes by USephiroth 18:45:05 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: french - 6 changes by glx 18:46:34 <Rubidium> planetmaker: you are aware that {P "" ""} is utterly pointless? 18:46:51 <Rubidium> well, maybe besides documenting that there is no plural different :) 18:48:08 <planetmaker> yes, I'm aware. 18:48:53 <planetmaker> But it indeed documents that a plural could be used (even though it's in the current form of the sentence not) 18:49:26 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21226 /trunk/src/lang/ (croatian.txt italian.txt): -Fix: load of failures of WT3 to properly validate some strings... 18:53:40 <SmatZ> Rubidium: what was broken in italian? 18:58:15 <Rubidium> you mean you haven't spotted it yet? 18:58:28 <Rubidium> ) != } 19:00:25 <SmatZ> oohh :) 19:00:31 <SmatZ> thanks 19:05:21 <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=913808#p913808 <--- poor wallyweb was installed into the grf files. :-P I wonder how he'll get out again ;-) 19:07:47 <SmatZ> :D 19:08:11 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:24:29 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 19:30:00 *** perk111 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:41:16 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21227 /trunk/src/lang/polish.txt: -Fix (r21222): conversion didn't go right when cases were involved 19:42:37 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21228 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_text.cpp settings_gui.cpp): -Fix: some MSVC 64 bits warnings 19:44:41 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:48:43 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:56:27 *** saronpasu [~saronpasu@catv075-208.lan-do.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:04:32 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 20:04:51 <Samu> hi 20:05:18 <Samu> i'm recording TTD tutorial videos 20:06:02 <Samu> virtualdub creates invalid videos when I encode audio to flac 20:06:12 <Samu> but it works when its encoded to mp3 20:06:14 <planetmaker> use another tool then 20:06:15 <Samu> :( 20:06:29 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [] 20:06:54 <Samu> the original sounds are in which format? 20:07:04 <Samu> 22050, 8 bit mono? 20:07:17 <Eddi|zuHause> i think 11kHz 20:07:18 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 20:07:33 <Eddi|zuHause> really not sure, though 20:08:11 <Ammler> what is bad with mp3? 20:08:41 <Samu> do you think youtube accepts zipped motion block video 20:08:46 <Samu> mp3 is not free 20:08:48 <Samu> flac is 20:09:09 <Ammler> youtube doesn't allow movies with mp3 sounds? :-o 20:10:30 <Samu> road vehicle tutorial is 26 MB zmbv/mp3 encoders 20:10:42 <Samu> can't send it 20:10:48 <Samu> maybe next month 20:11:09 *** Kirpsi [priski@ihq.in] has left #openttd [] 20:15:15 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 20:16:31 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC2E03.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:23:47 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 20:30:50 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 20:32:59 *** green-devil [~agw@0603ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [] 20:40:01 <Eddi|zuHause> wtf is up with obscure esoteric video formats? 20:40:03 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-101-33.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:40:48 <Eddi|zuHause> why can't you do H.264/mp3 like everybody else on the planet? 20:42:43 <Samu> h.264 is 32-bit 20:42:45 *** azaghal_ [~azaghal@109.207.46.121] has joined #openttd 20:43:19 <Samu> ttd isn't 32-bit 20:43:23 <Samu> 8bit 20:43:30 <Samu> zmvb is better 20:43:42 <Samu> zmbv 20:44:15 <Samu> I don't have fddshow here, but I bet it would lose quality 20:44:33 <Samu> zmbv is lossless 20:44:59 <Eddi|zuHause> so, why youtube then? 20:45:44 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm sure you can ask orudge for TT-related hosting 20:48:03 <orudge> It would seem to be silly to include the audio to a tutorial video in FLAC, it's just not necessary. MP3 would be fine and playable by almost everybody. Ogg Vorbis if you're particularly bothered about the legalities, although I still think that if you do record your videos in this ZMBV with something like Vorbis as audio, almost nobody will be able to easily play your videos 20:48:12 <orudge> unless they've installed VLC or ffdshow or something, which many "newbies" won't have. 20:48:25 *** azaghal [~azaghal@109.207.46.21] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:48:40 <orudge> So while they may be lossy, I would have thought using xvid and MP3 like everybody else (or just uploading to YouTube) would probably be the best thing 20:49:05 <orudge> You can upload in some kind of high-resolution x264 format to YouTube, and get "HD" video on there too 20:49:18 <Rubidium> 1080p :) 20:49:24 <orudge> quite 20:50:45 <Rubidium> must say I've seem pretty high quality 1080p stuff on youtube 20:51:03 <orudge> I tend to find 720p to be sufficient on YouTube, and often better quality than the 1080p 20:51:24 <orudge> since the bitrate increase from 720p to 1080p isn't really sufficient to maintain as high a quality 20:51:29 <orudge> but that's perhaps just my view of it 20:51:30 *** azaghal_ is now known as azaghal 20:52:49 <Samu> 480p 20:53:01 <Samu> is what ttd uses 20:53:16 <orudge> well 20:53:25 <orudge> if you're talking about the original DOS or Windows TTD, then yes 20:53:35 <orudge> although, Windows TTD can of course have an increased resolution using TTDPatch 20:53:39 <orudge> and OpenTTD can use any resolution 20:53:45 <Samu> yes, I'm recording those tutorials 20:58:02 <Samu> lol, ship tutorial is terrible 20:58:39 <michi_cc> planetmaker: You sure that Passagiers is correct? :) 20:59:01 <planetmaker> absolutely! 21:01:02 <planetmaker> but you won a cookie in the attention for translation competition ;-) 21:01:06 <Eddi|zuHause> http://pics.nase-bohren.de/timemachine_twitter.jpg 21:03:57 <b_jonas> Samu: great 21:04:07 <b_jonas> we need good tutorials 21:04:11 <b_jonas> and some people like videa 21:05:07 <planetmaker> Then a tutorial re-played with OpenTTD would be more helpful, though, than one with the original TTD 21:05:25 <b_jonas> yep 21:05:28 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.54.90] has joined #openttd 21:05:48 <b_jonas> and possibly one that openttd itself replays, instead of a video stream 21:06:20 <Eddi|zuHause> those existed once, but they were unusable as soon as new features got added. 21:07:25 <b_jonas> yeah, that might be a problem 21:07:31 <Samu> all 5 tutorials recorded 21:07:37 <b_jonas> great 21:07:45 <Samu> ship tutorial is bad 21:07:52 <Samu> gonna install original tt 21:07:57 <Samu> it also has tutorials 21:08:21 <planetmaker> better make a tutorial. 21:08:29 <planetmaker> Than making a video of another game 21:09:29 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 21:10:14 <AveiMil> are there any youtube tutorials that cover signals in depth? 21:10:34 <Samu> I wish I could, but I have no program that can record OTTD 21:10:48 <AveiMil> fraps? 21:10:50 <Samu> seems like it's GDI 21:10:55 <Samu> my fraps doesn't work 21:11:09 <AveiMil> camstudio 21:11:17 <Samu> doesn't recognize openttd 21:12:14 <Eddi|zuHause> openttd uses GDI [on windows], but can be configured to use SDL instead 21:12:28 <SmatZ> it shouldn't be hard to patch openttd so it makes screenshot after each frame 21:13:01 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm sure that patch already exists 21:13:05 *** asnoehu [~thok@524B7349.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:13:43 <planetmaker> timelapse or so 21:13:52 <planetmaker> not after every frame there, but... 21:14:48 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:17:46 *** saronpasu [~saronpasu@catv075-208.lan-do.ne.jp] has joined #openttd 21:21:35 <Samu> there are 2 drivers 21:21:49 <Samu> win32 gdi video driver 21:21:52 <Samu> dedicated video driver 21:22:04 <Samu> or null video driver 21:22:12 <Samu> there's no sdl 21:22:18 <planetmaker> the latter will work great 21:22:22 <planetmaker> ;-) 21:22:54 <glx> right SDL is not in msvc builds 21:23:28 <Samu> OpenTTD Dedicated server 21:23:36 <Samu> looks like DOS 21:23:48 <Samu> listening to music and some industries 21:23:52 <Samu> what is this? 21:24:09 <Hirundo> does it quack like DOS? 21:24:37 <Samu> your script made an error: the index doesn't exist 21:24:42 <Samu> no idea what this is 21:27:00 <Samu> how do I copy what's showing? 21:27:22 <glx> that's an AI 21:27:26 <Samu> it's saying something about AroAI 21:27:35 <Samu> info.nut line 49 21:28:37 <Samu> could not create IPv6 socket on port []:0 (IPv6): No error 21:29:38 <Samu> vier has joined the game? 21:29:58 <Samu> and I hear it building 21:32:06 <__ln___> oh my, is it time for the monthly SDL discussion already? 21:33:16 <Samu> interesting , this is the console 21:33:20 <Samu> not a video driver 21:34:04 <glx> it is a video driver 21:34:04 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 21:34:28 <glx> it just does nothing ;) 21:37:06 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [] 21:37:12 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 21:41:47 * andythenorth wonders what to do 21:41:54 <andythenorth> and concludes 'sleep' :P 21:42:02 <planetmaker> sleep well :-) 21:50:23 <Mazur> Who says I'm sleeping? 21:50:35 <Mazur> Let alone well.... 21:50:40 <Mazur> ;-D 21:52:07 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6B1D8.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 21:52:28 <Eddi|zuHause> i know wishing wells, but i can't imagine a sleeping well :p 21:53:28 <Mazur> I could see drowning well... 21:53:39 <Samu> what is a blitter? 21:53:45 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-213-49-109-230.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 21:53:53 <Prof_Frink> Something that blits. 21:53:54 <Mazur> A blithering twitter? 21:54:26 <Samu> openttd.exe -h 21:54:29 <Samu> lists some blitters 21:54:38 <Mazur> In a computer system, a blitter is a circuit, sometimes as a coprocessor or a logic block on a microprocessor, that is dedicated to the rapid movement and modification of data within that computer's memory 21:55:08 <Mazur> says Wikipedia, so don;t hold that against me. 21:56:08 <Eddi|zuHause> that's probably not it ;) 21:56:45 <Eddi|zuHause> http://pics.nase-bohren.de/welcomeback_tom.jpg <- that is evil :) 21:56:53 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 21:57:48 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.160.251] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:57:59 <AveiMil> or genius :) 21:58:45 <Samu> omg, 8bpp-debug is funny 21:59:08 <perk11> Samu: why? 21:59:17 <Samu> looks like a rainbow game 21:59:42 <perk11> lol 21:59:42 <Eddi|zuHause> and who says we don't have easter eggs ;( 21:59:49 <Eddi|zuHause> ;) 22:01:04 <Samu> but what is this for 22:01:26 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [] 22:01:28 <frosch123> for those who miss the old toyland sprites 22:01:59 <Samu> 32bpp-anim is slow as heck 22:02:19 <SmatZ> Samu: disable animation 22:02:39 <perk11> really funny, especially trains looking as a garland 22:03:38 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: http://pics.nase-bohren.de/csi-zoom-in.jpg <- oh... we need that for the real cops :) 22:03:47 <perk11> oh, there were cars, not trains 22:03:51 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f7f6f.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:04:42 *** FloSoft [bouncer@www.siedler25.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:04:55 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 22:05:29 *** asnoehu [~thok@524B7349.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 22:07:33 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF82F3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:08:58 <Prof_Frink> Rubidium: 'Dwarf did it better. Uncrop! 22:09:40 <Samu> you say there's a slowdown when switching music 22:10:18 *** FloSoft [bouncer@www.siedler25.org] has joined #openttd 22:17:20 <Samu> known-bugs has an invalid information 22:17:35 <llugo> andythenorth, are you unquirking 22:17:38 <Samu> the game uses dmusic 22:17:43 <llugo> firs? 22:17:44 <Samu> without any command line 22:17:55 <llugo> ;) 22:18:06 <Samu> the text says win32 is the default driver 22:18:22 <Belugas> night 22:18:42 <llugo> (just read that explosives-part from the log) 22:31:11 *** dfox [~dfox@e4.dkm.cz] has joined #openttd 22:38:00 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 22:41:02 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6A4D8.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 22:43:20 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:46:37 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6B1D8.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:46:44 <Terkhen> good night 22:46:51 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 22:46:54 <SmatZ> good night Terkhen 22:53:40 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe8bde00-63.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 22:55:33 *** goblin [~goblin@krlh-5f73670f.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:04:46 <Samu> i'm now testing trasnfers again 23:07:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21229 /trunk/src/pathfinder/follow_track.hpp: -Fix [FS#4130]: [YAPF] Road vehicles not finding the nearest depot in some (corner) cases 23:10:40 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 23:16:43 <Samu> how does the game count the distance? 23:17:00 <Samu> I enumerated 40 tiles 23:17:08 <Rubidium> like they do in New York 23:17:12 <planetmaker> use the measurement tool 23:17:24 <Samu> placed a station at tile 0, another at tile 20 and another at tile 40, all going through a straight line 23:17:33 <Samu> ok, checking 23:17:59 *** Jolteon [~Leftie@109.73.163.17] has quit [Quit: Speech Thewapy Wools OK?] 23:18:06 <Samu> strange 23:18:17 <Samu> says 21 length 23:18:28 *** Jolteon [~Leftie@109.73.163.17] has joined #openttd 23:18:28 <Samu> that would be 42 23:18:41 <Samu> but I counted 40 tiles 23:19:09 <Samu> does the first tile count as 1 distance? 23:19:29 <Samu> which is the point where the truck loads? 23:21:58 <Samu> I put the question in another way 23:22:16 <Samu> if 2 stations are adjacent to each other, what is the distance between them? 23:22:30 <Samu> 1 or 2? 23:25:23 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:25:57 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 23:38:31 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:39:03 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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