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00:00:42 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-7.dslextreme.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:06:30 <retro> Rubidium: ? 00:06:54 <Xaroth> retro 00:07:03 <Xaroth> his 'oyasuminasai' meant 'good night'. 00:07:17 <Xaroth> so I doubt he's around to answer 00:22:15 <retro> Xaroth: pl, thanks 00:22:17 <retro> ok 00:26:08 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:31:22 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 00:33:29 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-167-194.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [] 00:38:49 *** Arie- [~Arie@82-169-69-154.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:41:26 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 00:41:52 *** AveiMil [~AveiMil@232.81-166-168.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- *I* use it, so it must be good!] 00:47:59 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.8.200.216] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 00:49:23 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.130.59] has joined #openttd 00:57:17 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C595.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:07:33 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-47-103.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:17:40 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [] 01:21:13 <Wolf01> 'night 01:21:16 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host204-232-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 01:26:00 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:29:12 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:33:51 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [] 01:37:44 <Mazur> Halo. 01:38:27 * Mazur is almost tempted to say: :"Can I ask you guys a question?" 01:39:04 <Mazur> Damn, noone bites. 01:39:14 <Mazur> All asleep here, too. 01:39:33 <retro> Mazur ? 01:39:41 <Mazur> Good morning. 01:40:07 * Mazur is looking for sojmeone to join in Coop to implement a solution he just figured. 01:41:13 <Mazur> I know some occasional players hand here, so I tried to tempt one out of half-sleep. 01:41:46 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:42:14 <Mazur> Alas, poor roboboy. I knew him, Horatio. 01:42:53 <Mazur> As you maybe can tell, I'm a tad bored, as well. 01:43:11 <Mazur> So I'll move over and entertain myself elsewhere. 01:45:32 <retro> Mazur: sorry. 01:45:37 <retro> Mazur: I'm playing own game. 01:45:48 <retro> Mazur: And preparing to sleep. 01:46:46 <Mazur> 's Cool, I could only ask. 02:08:52 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 02:41:37 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8cba6.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:32:50 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:b425:a8f:a3ab:2e77] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:47:01 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 03:48:16 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:13:30 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 04:34:40 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-184-57-41-122.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 05:31:27 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.130.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:37:43 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC5B5F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 05:38:38 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-184-57-41-122.columbus.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 05:54:12 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77A47.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:54:29 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76E97.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:16:37 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has quit [Quit: In democracy it's your vote that counts; In feudalism it's your count that votes. - Mogens Jallberg] 06:22:12 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:22:59 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe8bde00-63.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 06:34:46 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has joined #openttd 06:45:38 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has joined #openttd 06:50:54 <Terkhen> good morning 06:59:54 <Rubidium> retro: because --revision doesn't set the NewGRF version and as such some NewGRF will fail to load on your server whereas they will load on the clients which will eventually cause desyncs 07:00:22 <Rubidium> good morning Terkhen 07:12:28 <planetmaker> good morning 07:14:45 <Eddi|zuHause> good snowing 07:15:30 <planetmaker> also that:-) 07:16:01 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 07:17:31 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.45.7] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:18:22 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 07:19:42 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:26:34 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0bbfb2.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:29:49 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 07:31:01 *** green-devil [~greendevi@h195.natout.aau.dk] has joined #openttd 07:35:50 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 07:37:19 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [] 07:39:21 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 07:40:07 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [] 07:40:59 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice3n2.emea.ibm.com] has joined #openttd 07:41:01 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:41:35 *** norbert79 is now known as Guest848 07:41:44 *** Guest848 is now known as norbert79 07:52:45 <retro> Rubidium: will be later 07:52:50 *** retro [~retro@125.151.broadband3.iol.cz] has left #openttd [] 07:55:36 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:56:39 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 08:03:23 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:11:38 <avdg> good morning 08:11:39 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:12:05 <planetmaker> moin avdg 08:16:16 <planetmaker> Thanks George for uploading LV4 :-) 08:18:05 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice3n2.emea.ibm.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:20:05 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76E97.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:20:47 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice4n2.emea.ibm.com] has joined #openttd 08:20:59 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76E97.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:30:53 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 08:34:56 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC5B5F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:38:38 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19CEE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:54:54 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has quit [Quit: In democracy it's your vote that counts; In feudalism it's your count that votes. - Mogens Jallberg] 08:58:13 *** Klanticus [~quassel@187.42.220.183] has joined #openttd 09:06:23 *** Arie- [~Arie@82-169-69-154.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:30:38 *** retro [~retro@ip-62-245-83-70.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 09:30:44 <retro> Rubidium: hello 09:30:49 <retro> Rubidium: what was the problem ? 09:33:34 <retro> Rubidium: with own nightly build and adding valid --revision to configuration process ? 09:34:37 <Noldo> what do you mean by valid? 09:36:18 <retro> Noldo: I'll download ex. http://cz.binaries.openttd.org/openttd/binaries/nightlies/trunk/r21345/openttd-trunk-r21345-source.tar.gz 09:36:29 <retro> And add --revision=r21345 to configuration 09:37:38 <planetmaker> retro: the problem is that newgrfs won't know about your faked revision number 09:38:01 <retro> planetmaker: but it is not faked 09:38:01 <planetmaker> thus you'll get into trouble when using newgrfs which query that when joining or hosting multiplayer games with such newgrfs 09:38:28 <retro> planetmaker: it is really revision 21345 09:38:30 <planetmaker> it is, as the newgrf version depends on the VCS's version 09:38:58 <retro> planetmaker: but the server is really on revision 21345 09:39:00 <planetmaker> With tars the configure version script has no means to verify that, thus gives 0 09:39:19 <retro> planetmaker: when you add --revision parameter, it set it 09:39:37 <planetmaker> the displayed version. But not the one reported to newgrfs. 09:39:44 <planetmaker> that's two entirely different things 09:40:08 <retro> planetmaker: ohh, ok 09:40:27 <retro> planetmaker: so it is not possible to compile that archive and get everthing ok ? 09:40:38 <retro> planetmaker: need to checkout svn revision and build that ? 09:40:45 <Terkhen> yes 09:40:47 <planetmaker> Yes 09:40:53 <planetmaker> or hg or git 09:40:59 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 09:41:03 <retro> planetmaker: understand, any vcs 09:41:08 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:41:21 <retro> So the question is now, why there is something like that archive i posted up ? 09:41:29 <retro> When it is not usable to run server ? 09:41:46 <Terkhen> retro: GPL compliance IIRC 09:41:57 <planetmaker> It's the correct archive. Just the configuration gives different results when you run the script 09:42:51 <Terkhen> hmm... were binaries compiled with different vcs compatible? 09:42:56 <planetmaker> And having the version detection like it is now is one of our means to make sure that there are not zillions of reports about desyncs which are just due to people re-declariong their patched version X as Y 09:43:04 <planetmaker> Terkhen: they are 09:43:16 <planetmaker> or I'd always desync in the last years :-) 09:43:22 <Eddi|zuHause> imho the make-source-tarball-script is lacking a proper override for the revision check, it needs to be fixed. 09:43:26 <retro> So the binaries are not compiled from that archive ? 09:43:31 <planetmaker> But it's a solely empirical observation 09:43:57 <retro> I mean nightly builds. 09:44:14 <planetmaker> Not entirely sure. I *think* svn checkout 09:44:18 <Terkhen> no, they are probably compiled from a subversion checkout 09:44:49 *** green-devil [~greendevi@h195.natout.aau.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:45:01 <planetmaker> it is 100% the same source, though 09:45:07 <retro> ok, still don't know why the sources are posted with it - when they're not good for running server 09:45:15 <planetmaker> As said: just configure gives a different result in presence of a VCS 09:45:19 <retro> but I know how to build correct server binaries 09:45:21 <Eddi|zuHause> Terkhen: yes, unmodified hg/git checkouts get the svn revision from the commit log 09:46:24 <Eddi|zuHause> the tricky part is determining what constitutes "unmodified" 09:46:27 <planetmaker> indeed 09:46:44 <planetmaker> and there's no means to determine that for plain tar balls 09:47:08 <planetmaker> such the NoRev000 (or similar) 09:47:29 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: a crude mmthod would be file modification date 09:47:32 <planetmaker> retro: basically this procedure saves us TONS of bogus bug reports 09:47:46 <retro> planetmaker: yes, without that parameter revision is NoRev000 09:47:49 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: that'd fail more often than not 09:47:51 <retro> planetmaker: sure 09:47:59 <planetmaker> besides: touch... 09:48:01 <retro> planetmaker: but it confused me a lot 09:48:13 <planetmaker> it's not obvious, I agree 09:48:41 <Eddi|zuHause> retro: basically what Rubidium was trying to say is that additonal to configuring the (network) revision you also need to configure the newgrf-revision 09:49:03 <Eddi|zuHause> there *should* be a second configure option for that 09:49:24 <planetmaker> then everyone would fake that, too 09:49:33 <planetmaker> and nothing won. And we could just unify that 09:49:48 <Eddi|zuHause> the whole thing is fairly underdocumented 09:50:16 <planetmaker> I think it has a reason :-P 09:50:28 <Eddi|zuHause> if everything fails, you can always just hack rev.cpp.in manually 09:50:44 <retro> It is easier to checkout needed svn revision. 09:51:05 <Eddi|zuHause> indeed ;) 09:51:07 <planetmaker> it will also save you download bandwidth in the future 09:51:28 <retro> The reason why am I asking is I prefer git. And it is more work to find that revision (parse commit messages). 09:51:52 <planetmaker> no. Just use git and go for it. Use the --revision with that and you're fine 09:52:04 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:52:09 <planetmaker> otherwise git will report the git-specific version, though 09:52:12 <Eddi|zuHause> retro: yes, it has more work, but it is implemented and you don't have to worry about it 09:52:29 <retro> sorry, but you don't understand me 09:52:40 <planetmaker> obviously. 09:52:40 <retro> I'm running nightly build server. 09:52:45 <planetmaker> So? 09:52:45 <retro> And I'm writing script. 09:52:50 <planetmaker> And? 09:53:34 <planetmaker> git update && ./configure --revision=$NIGHTLY_REV && make 09:53:43 <planetmaker> speaking in pseudo code 09:54:11 <planetmaker> the NIGHTLY_REV you obtain via curl from finger.openttd.org and update git to that rev, configure it appropriately and you're set 09:55:27 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: he means exactly the part of "git update to correct rev" 09:56:08 <planetmaker> http://pastebin.com/yYPd9JsZ <-- retro that works for svn 09:56:10 <planetmaker> for us 09:56:29 <planetmaker> use it under the license of GPL v2+ 09:56:33 <planetmaker> if you like 09:56:34 <Eddi|zuHause> retro: using git is fairly useless if you don't plan to include local modifications 09:56:38 <retro> planetmaker: thank you, i'll read it later 09:57:01 <retro> Eddi|zuHause: I'm writing script in Ruby - it has perfect bindings to git and I know that well 09:57:04 <planetmaker> it's a shell script which updates to the current nightly 09:57:40 <Eddi|zuHause> retro: i'm fairly sure ruby also has bindings for svn which will be even simpler to use 09:58:47 <Eddi|zuHause> retro: and with svn you trivially can use the finger results for checking out the right revision 09:59:05 <Eddi|zuHause> it's like 3 lines of code... 10:00:12 <Eddi|zuHause> svn up -r$(curl | awk) && make 10:00:28 <planetmaker> jo. that's what the pasted script does ;-) 10:00:41 <planetmaker> including writing its own finger file etc pp 10:02:04 <retro> I have something like this - curl http://finger.openttd.org/versions.txt | awk '{print NR==3}' 10:02:17 <retro> just need to supres curl output 10:02:54 <planetmaker> grep -v 10:03:00 <Eddi|zuHause> err 10:03:10 <retro> finally don't need 10:03:14 <Eddi|zuHause> awk /trunk/{ print blah } 10:03:15 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-11-41.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 10:03:16 <retro> I can parse revision 10:03:48 <Eddi|zuHause> awk has builtin grep, you know... 10:03:54 <retro> And when I checkout latest git 10:04:14 <retro> and build with --revision=r21345 (or without r) it will be ok ? 10:04:59 <Eddi|zuHause> retro: there is a script that can get the svn revision from the git log 10:05:05 <planetmaker> well. I pasted a way which works. Just use it as template 10:05:22 <planetmaker> but yes 10:05:22 <retro> Eddi|zuHause: I can handle this. 10:05:32 <retro> ok, thanks all 10:05:42 <retro> I'll try to write it after work. 10:05:45 <Eddi|zuHause> i have a feeling you're suffering from "not invented here" syndrome... 10:06:06 <planetmaker> :-) I share that feeling 10:06:06 <retro> Eddi|zuHause: nope 10:06:39 <retro> I want to write more general build script and OpenTTD will be first sample. 10:06:43 <retro> Because I like it. 10:06:50 <Eddi|zuHause> retro: you are determined to pull through with your idea, no matter how often other people tell you that other approaches would be waaaaaaay easier 10:06:53 <retro> I'm just having fun with this. 10:07:20 <retro> It is not my idea, I'm just asking how to build right OpenTTD for server. 10:07:28 <retro> Rubidium told me, I'm doing it bad. 10:07:34 <retro> And I prefer git. 10:07:35 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not entirely sure whether "pull through" is an actual english phrase :p 10:07:38 <retro> That's all. 10:08:03 <Eddi|zuHause> <retro> And I prefer git. <- that's exactly what i mean 10:08:16 <planetmaker> retro: the main point is that you seem to go your pre-determined way, no matter what other (good) advice on other already existing paths exist. Just my impression 10:08:17 <Eddi|zuHause> "i know git, therefore i MUST use it" 10:08:45 <planetmaker> so... enjoy your head-through-the wall approach :-) 10:10:17 <retro> I can handle SVN too. 10:10:29 <Xaroth> then why so stubborn with git :P 10:10:30 <avdg> use it, saves a lot efford 10:10:32 <peter1138> i like git 10:10:45 <retro> But to write a nice clean ruby code is grit (git ruby binding) nice. 10:10:48 <avdg> I have a git and svn repo 10:10:51 <retro> SVN bindings are not nice. 10:11:22 <planetmaker> but the only way to build releases 10:11:37 <planetmaker> that fails for git and hg 10:11:59 <retro> That's why I'm asking here before I'm writing script. 10:12:18 <retro> So please don't be pissed on me. 10:12:32 <Xaroth> if people were pissed at you you wouldn't be here :) 10:12:48 <planetmaker> :-D 10:13:01 <Eddi|zuHause> retro: you ask here, everyone tells you that svn is best to achieve your goal, yet you ignore everybody's advice. 10:13:04 <planetmaker> Xaroth: usually I prefer the ignore command in those cases 10:13:11 <Xaroth> planetmaker: you, perhaps :P 10:13:17 <planetmaker> I know... ;-) 10:13:19 <Xaroth> ;) 10:13:24 <retro> Eddi|zuHause: I'm not ignoring it. Just asking about git. 10:13:25 * planetmaker pets DorpsGek - good guy :-) 10:14:03 <retro> Eddi|zuHause: I'll probably use SVN after this chat. 10:14:21 <DorpsGek> hmmm.... *purr* *purr* 10:14:23 <Eddi|zuHause> retro: what works with svn in 3 lines of code, you'd neet 30 lines of code with GIT. i.e. half a day's worth of development time 10:14:41 <Xaroth> Eddi|zuHause: but that's not fun! :P 10:14:42 <retro> Eddi|zuHause: I'll send you a git code that can handle that in 3 lines too later if you want. 10:14:42 <Rubidium> pfff... in perl everything can be done with one line :) 10:15:15 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: i mean logical lines, not syntactical lines :p 10:15:31 <avdg> Eddi: git is already more work from the first line of code, but you have more control about the source 10:15:32 <Rubidium> then the language isn't high level enough 10:15:38 <planetmaker> hehe. I strangely feel Eddi's statement confirmed by '...later...' ;-) 10:17:57 <Rubidium> before or after dbset 0.9? 10:19:19 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: i have pretty much given up my hope of that... i'd settle for newstations... 10:24:45 <retro> I have finally idea - script that will connect SVN revision numers and GIT commit SHA's 10:25:09 <Xaroth> oh boy 10:25:36 <avdg> isn't that a bit overdoing? 10:26:05 <retro> Don't know, maybe will be useful for more people. 10:26:14 <avdg> I just build them 10:26:34 <avdg> it works, but it has an other number 10:26:43 <avdg> actually, hash 10:29:45 *** Klanticus [~quassel@187.42.220.183] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:30:58 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 10:41:44 *** boy_boring [~Manager_B@186.212.225.91] has joined #openttd 10:41:45 *** boy_boring [~Manager_B@186.212.225.91] has left #openttd [] 10:51:29 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:52:29 *** fjb is now known as Guest865 10:52:30 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFCBEF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:59:32 *** Guest865 [~frank@p5DDFE390.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:07:41 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice4n2.emea.ibm.com] has left #openttd [] 11:16:53 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8da79.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:21:06 *** wito [~wito@193.142.30.63] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:34:44 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-11-41.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:36:30 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 11:49:03 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host204-232-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 11:49:16 <Wolf01> hello 11:50:08 <retro> Wolf01: hello 11:50:38 <Terkhen> hi Wolf01 11:50:53 <__ln__> night Wolf01 11:51:17 <Wolf01> it's already night there, __ln__? 11:51:54 <__ln__> fortunately not 11:52:09 <Eddi|zuHause> dangling buffer content from last conversation :p 11:53:01 <Eddi|zuHause> we should greet all Blitzquitters this way :p 11:57:58 *** Joni- [~Joni-@dsl-vsabrasgw1-fe00dc00-41.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 11:59:25 <Arie-> and again 11:59:54 <Arie-> f5-ing a single server changes server every refresh 12:00:00 <Arie-> on the openttd website 12:00:13 <Eddi|zuHause> so? 12:00:35 <Arie-> well, it's strange 12:00:37 <Eddi|zuHause> you get to meet new people ;) 12:00:44 <Arie-> :) 12:00:53 <Arie-> i was just taking a look at my own one 12:01:05 <Eddi|zuHause> you're a sad person :p 12:01:12 <Arie-> but then i noticed that the ip ddress is right, but everything else is false info 12:01:47 <Arie-> i'm a sad person, thats wrong as well 12:01:59 <Eddi|zuHause> the best way from here is probably opening a bug report in the "website" project 12:02:18 <Arie-> now I get an "unhandled exeption" 12:04:12 <Arie-> ok i'll do that 12:04:47 <Arie-> i noticed this once before, but then when i started making screenshots all was normal agina 12:09:56 <Rubidium> it works fine for me 12:15:42 <Arie-> yep all is normal again now 12:16:04 <Arie-> oops, forgot to crop the screenshots 12:18:02 <Arie-> hmmm 12:18:14 <Arie-> something went wrong with the submision of the report 12:26:25 <Arie-> done, submitted 12:29:15 *** green-devil [~greendevi@h195.natout.aau.dk] has joined #openttd 12:34:37 *** Arie- [~Arie@82-169-69-154.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 12:39:54 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice4n2.emea.ibm.com] has joined #openttd 12:40:52 *** Arie- [~Arie@82-169-69-154.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:44:40 *** Markk [~mark@rikskriminalpolisen.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:47:59 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.8.200.216] has joined #openttd 12:51:46 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-84.dslextreme.com] has joined #openttd 12:55:55 <Eddi|zuHause> # Sie amputierten ihm sein letztes Bein 12:56:05 <Eddi|zuHause> # Und jetzt kniet er sich wieder richtig rein 12:56:49 <Ammler> böse! 12:56:53 <norbert79> Eddi|zuHause: What are you watching, some kinda doctor-show? :) 12:57:10 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a song... "Bruttosozialprodukt" 12:57:15 <norbert79> ah 13:02:10 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:08:08 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21352 /trunk/config.lib: -Codechange: remove some unneeded code from config.lib 13:08:27 <retro> Ammler: you're not running your script every day ? 13:08:35 <Ammler> which? 13:08:43 <retro> Ammler: openttdcoop aren't current nightlies 13:08:49 <Ammler> no 13:08:58 <Ammler> we update mostly when we start a new game 13:09:06 <Ammler> aprox once a week 13:09:12 <retro> Ammler: oh, ok 13:09:35 <Ammler> or if there is a bug or whatever... 13:09:56 <Rubidium> or when someone asks for it :) 13:10:31 <planetmaker> :-) Or that 13:11:47 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 13:16:23 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF882F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:17:35 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:27:18 *** el_petardo [~chatzilla@3.208.broadband12.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 13:30:59 *** lugo is now known as llugo 13:33:11 *** el_petardo [~chatzilla@3.208.broadband12.iol.cz] has left #openttd [] 13:39:03 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8da79.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:39:12 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8da79.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 13:45:34 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-84.dslextreme.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:53:58 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4db1be29.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 14:01:00 *** jpx_ [jpx_@a91-156-251-33.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 14:01:30 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC5B5F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:02:22 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC3AB0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:06:10 *** DayDreamer [~pouzara@80.95.101.194] has joined #openttd 14:14:43 <Eddi|zuHause> bÀh... grey-furry-thing-that-is-wet-and-makes-miau... 14:15:17 <Rubidium> SeaCat? 14:18:10 <Belugas> hello 14:20:07 <Terkhen> hello Belugas 14:21:54 *** green-devil [~greendevi@h195.natout.aau.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:22:23 <Belugas> hi hi Terkhen :) 14:24:52 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: more snowcat ;) 14:26:12 *** hantori [~hantori@ppp-124-121-172-241.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #openttd 14:26:59 <hantori> ... 14:28:07 *** hantori [~hantori@ppp-124-121-172-241.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [] 14:29:18 <Belugas> that was quite a nice message.. 14:29:18 <Eddi|zuHause> thanks for your valuable input. 14:29:18 <Belugas> he made his point though... 14:29:18 *** Joni- [~Joni-@dsl-vsabrasgw1-fe00dc00-41.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:29:18 <Belugas> 3 times :D 14:29:18 <Terkhen> :D 14:29:27 *** Joni- [~Joni-@dsl-vsabrasgw1-fe00dc00-41.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:29:32 <Rubidium> --------------------------------- 14:29:55 <planetmaker> :-P 14:29:55 <Belugas> oj, so don't cross that line! 14:30:06 <planetmaker> ---/--- 14:30:08 <planetmaker> but that ^ 14:36:30 <Eddi|zuHause> that's a cross? :p 14:50:21 <Eddi|zuHause> i have a feeling if it goes on like this we're beating 15cm... 14:52:22 <Rubidium> 15cm of snow on a single day is like nothing compared to 150mm of rain on a single day 14:52:53 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: until it all melts :p 14:53:27 <Eddi|zuHause> but why is snow measured in cm, but rain in mm? 14:53:27 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-167-194.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 14:53:29 *** green-devil [~greendevi@h195.natout.aau.dk] has joined #openttd 14:53:31 <Rubidium> but snow is like 10 times less dense than water, so it'd only be 15mm of water/rain 14:54:13 <Rubidium> Master Kong :) 14:54:43 <Rubidium> yeah, I'm making no sense 14:59:32 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has joined #openttd 15:00:04 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 15:01:47 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:2dde:3a93:1c06:622f] has joined #openttd 15:01:50 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 15:01:52 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:16:55 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice4n2.emea.ibm.com] has left #openttd [] 15:21:39 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 15:25:20 <Eddi|zuHause> # Am I frozen? But it's summer! Is that rain or is that me? 15:25:41 <Eddi|zuHause> # Yes I'm melting, please be happy, One day soon, we might just swim 15:27:42 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:42:28 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-94-112-27-188.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 15:45:50 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF882F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:46:28 *** zodttd [~me@user-0c90n0l.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:48:40 *** zodttd [~me@user-0c90n0l.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #openttd 15:53:53 *** green-devil [~greendevi@h195.natout.aau.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:03:07 *** IchGuckLive [~chatzilla@88-134-59-132-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 16:03:18 <IchGuckLive> Hi all ! 16:04:09 <IchGuckLive> why is the cost to fond a sawmill ,almost as high as a powerstation ? in real a sawmill is 1/3 of a powerplant 16:06:05 <peter1138> it's not real life :D 16:06:49 <IchGuckLive> B) 16:07:06 <Belugas> it's a shame, isn't it? 16:07:22 *** lugo [lugo@195.3.138.104] has joined #openttd 16:07:25 <IchGuckLive> the generator dis all the forest on one side and all the mills to the orher all the trains die out on the long route 16:07:57 <Belugas> bad program, very bad program. let's close the project, useless piece of junk 16:08:27 <IchGuckLive> nice work to all the programers i love it !!! 16:09:40 <IchGuckLive> there is no cheeet to degree the cost O.o 16:10:36 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8da79.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:10:55 * Lakie updates the openttd useeful dev package... 16:11:02 <Eddi|zuHause> just because you have not found it doesn't mean it doesn't exist ;) 16:12:01 <planetmaker> :-) 16:12:35 <IchGuckLive> Eddi|zuHause: Thanks 16:12:43 <IchGuckLive> go on googleing 16:13:19 <IchGuckLive> are there offical and inoficell cheets 16:13:43 <IchGuckLive> searching wikileaks for openttd 16:14:04 <planetmaker> just search for base cost mod 16:14:11 <planetmaker> and download it from the online content 16:14:12 <Eddi|zuHause> most of the "cheats" are hidden here: http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=NewGraphicsSpecs :p 16:14:26 <Eddi|zuHause> (yes, i am evil) 16:14:33 <Lakie> Heh, less than out of the box cheats then. ;) 16:14:37 <planetmaker> sorry that I spoilt it ;-) 16:15:07 * Lakie ponders how one uses that sprite aligner tool 16:15:13 <IchGuckLive> Not evil it makes the game just more playable 16:15:29 <planetmaker> Lakie: "select sprite" -> click -> use arrows 16:15:40 <planetmaker> --> not down offsets --> put down in newgrf 16:15:51 <planetmaker> and hope you didn't use autocrop which spoils it ;-) 16:16:11 <Lakie> Heh 16:16:17 <planetmaker> if how == where: in the (?) menu (right most button) 16:16:42 <planetmaker> and you need to enable the newgrf_developer_tools via the console 16:17:06 <Lakie> Ah, did that in the cfg earlier 16:17:08 <Lakie> Thanks 16:17:11 <planetmaker> np 16:17:25 <Lakie> Should make aligning objects more simplistic than tradional hit and miss... 16:17:34 <planetmaker> quite :-) 16:17:56 <planetmaker> when that got introduced it suddenly got a LOT easier to get all those nasty trains in OpenGFX at least somewhat aligned 16:18:12 <planetmaker> and it helped me a lot with the Swedish Rails, too 16:18:25 <Lakie> Heh, I thought they followed a nice template making it easier to align most graphics* 16:18:54 <Lakie> * For some reason that failed with the finnish set due to artists drawing things differently making them look less aligned... 16:19:03 <planetmaker> Well. That, too. 16:19:24 <planetmaker> But you can only carry graphics templates up to a certain point 16:19:39 <planetmaker> Especially when it comes to differently sized vehicles 16:20:09 <planetmaker> Or when it comes to overlay sprites needed only in one place. So... a template for a one-time thing is... ok, but not really a 'template' 16:20:23 <Lakie> Aye 16:20:47 <Lakie> Well, I imagine for trains atleast you'd start from some basic templates for 3/8->8/8 16:21:05 <planetmaker> yes, mostly 16:21:37 *** quiggle [d586afe1@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 16:21:40 <planetmaker> But in my experience it's hard to convince artists to all use the same. So I end up with a separate template for each ;-) 16:21:53 *** quiggle [d586afe1@ircip2.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 16:21:59 <Lakie> Heh, how annoying 16:22:07 *** Kogut [d586afe1@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 16:22:08 <planetmaker> and hight and low wagons etc. Well. 16:22:12 <Kogut> hi 16:22:21 <planetmaker> It's more or less ok with NML's templating power 16:22:35 <planetmaker> as long as they're just aranged with different x and y offsets withing the files 16:22:48 <planetmaker> and not vary their sizes of the individual sprites 16:23:06 <Lakie> True 16:23:20 <planetmaker> The latter is something I indeed reject, if not needed :-) 16:23:25 <Kogut> Is it possible that more height level (and/or cargodist) will end in trunk? 16:24:19 <IchGuckLive> im trunk with large cargo distance 16:24:31 <planetmaker> for t->â certainly 16:25:45 <IchGuckLive> the train run for 460Days and get a loan at 2500 with costs around 7000 16:25:55 <Rubidium> Tegmark says they already are in trunk 16:26:01 <Kogut> what with t->2 years? 16:26:58 <IchGuckLive> so i cheedet the 150 in the config to 720 16:27:59 <IchGuckLive> by and thanks for your help !! 16:28:07 *** IchGuckLive [~chatzilla@88-134-59-132-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100423140709]] 16:31:32 <Rubidium> it is possible 16:37:50 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f6e87.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:38:28 <planetmaker> quak :-) 16:38:38 <frosch123> quak :) 16:39:47 <retro> quak :( 16:41:20 <planetmaker> how rude ;-) 16:44:55 <Rubidium> moi 16:58:18 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-11-41.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 17:00:49 <fjb> Quak frosch123 17:01:07 <fjb> Moin Rubidium 17:01:11 <fjb> Moin planetmaker 17:02:42 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.175.10] has joined #openttd 17:04:43 *** Doorslammer [770b0dfa@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 17:05:11 <planetmaker> hi fjb :-) 17:05:48 <fjb> planetmaker: How is it over there at your place? 17:05:56 <planetmaker> hm... the preset name length restriction stops me saving my current selection as "pm's NewGRF vanity" :-P 17:06:11 <planetmaker> fjb: snowy and damn cold 17:06:58 <planetmaker> probably you have even more snow than I do? 17:07:09 <fjb> So it is the same as here in the south (relative to your place). 17:07:19 <fjb> About 50cm. 17:07:30 <fjb> At some places. 17:07:39 <planetmaker> ui. Na, we have something like < 1cm, but it remains. 17:08:00 <planetmaker> yesterday noon it was like -5°C. I didn't look today noon 17:08:20 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-213-34-233-182.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #openttd 17:09:31 <planetmaker> I got a few nice shots of frosty trees and alike, though :-) 17:09:44 <fjb> Some roads are closed because some trees could not withstand the load. 17:09:55 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.168.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:10:07 <Belugas> mmh.. based on those funny comments, i now realize it's not as bad as i though 17:10:22 <Belugas> in fact, our weather is quite good :) 17:10:28 <fjb> I guess that will not be your last icy pictures this winter. 17:10:55 <Belugas> but granter, i have less opportunities of takinsome nice photos :) 17:11:30 <fjb> Not that much problem with the weather now. We are used to it (most of us). :) 17:16:46 <planetmaker> indeed, I think it won't be my last winter pictures ;-) 17:18:42 *** DayDreamer [~pouzara@80.95.101.194] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:25:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r21353 /trunk/src/rail_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r19056)[FS#4277]: New railtypes with overlays did not use the shore sprites as groundtiles for three-corner-raised slopes (at shore). 17:33:18 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0bbfb2.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 17:35:07 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 17:44:49 *** Doorslammer [770b0dfa@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 17:44:57 *** retro [~retro@ip-62-245-83-70.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:50:52 *** enr1x [~kiike@99.227.21.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 17:58:45 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 18:06:49 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF882F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:11:39 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-213-34-233-182.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 18:14:56 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-213-34-233-182.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #openttd 18:31:53 *** Arie- [~Arie@82-169-69-154.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:40:30 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.168.6] has joined #openttd 18:40:42 *** Arie- [~Arie@188.88.67.15] has joined #openttd 18:42:00 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-111.dslextreme.com] has joined #openttd 18:43:21 <Devedse> Is there a way to increase the speed at which clients can download the map from a server? 18:43:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r21354 /trunk/src/lang/ (english_US.txt french.txt italian.txt): 18:43:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:43:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: english_US - 1 changes by Rubidium 18:43:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: french - 1 changes by glx 18:43:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: italian - 1 changes by lorenzodv 18:46:15 <Rubidium> Devedse: get the server a faster upstream connection? 18:46:43 <Devedse> Rubidium, I got a 1 gbit connection and it still takes about 20 seconds for a 7 mb map to download 18:46:45 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.175.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:46:49 *** goblin [~goblin@krlh-5f726525.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:47:03 <Devedse> Where as normal file transfers go with 60 mbyte / sec 18:47:15 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 18:48:10 <Rubidium> then I've got no clue; downloads are always near instantanious for me 18:48:44 <Devedse> Also the 2048 x 2048 maps? 18:50:38 <Rubidium> yes, but never near 7 MB 18:51:06 <Rubidium> sounds like it's some network tuning setting somewhere 18:53:12 <Ammler> Devedse: is it the downloaded or the loading? 18:53:25 <Devedse> Downloading 18:55:19 <Devedse> Ammler, Rubidium, it downloads with 210 kb / sec 18:55:39 <Ammler> is the server public, I could try... 18:55:44 <Devedse> That's about my normal internet upload speed 18:56:01 <Devedse> But I can't imagine its using my internet to upload it to outside and then internally again 18:56:22 <Devedse> Ammler, won't help since you will walk against my upload speed which is around 200 kb 18:56:25 <Ammler> depends on the routing 18:56:27 <Rubidium> during my LZMA tests there were plenty of clients that downloaded with like 1+ MiB/s 18:57:01 <Ammler> if you use your public ip to connect to your server, the traffic might go over it, if that works at all 18:57:53 <Devedse> I just tryed only for "lan" 18:57:56 <Devedse> and still only get 200 kb 18:58:51 <Rubidium> well, over "real" internet 1+ MiB/s can be reached, so it smells like a local configuration/tuning issue 18:59:18 <Devedse> Are there any configuration settings in openttd that can possibly limit the upload speed? 18:59:42 <Ammler> Devedse: try to connect on the same maschine 19:00:42 *** Markk [~markk@213.229.75.82] has joined #openttd 19:00:52 <Devedse> Ammler, same results 19:01:04 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.168.6] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:01:13 <Ammler> so you have that slow download without network? 19:02:09 <Devedse> yep 19:02:24 <Devedse> Even if i host on my core i7 laptop and download with that same laptop 200 kb 19:02:31 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.168.6] has joined #openttd 19:03:02 <glx> harddisk access 19:03:38 <Xaroth> wireless or wired? 19:04:33 <Devedse> glx, it's exactly 200 kb on 2 different computers, both wired 1 gbit connection, and if I copy files from one to another it goes with 60 megabyte / second. 19:05:06 <Xaroth> sounds about right 19:05:17 <Devedse> Lemme try with unplugged internet 19:05:19 <Devedse> brb :) 19:05:25 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-213-34-233-182.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 19:07:10 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-11-41.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:07:33 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-213-34-233-182.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #openttd 19:07:51 <Devedse> Even with my internet unplugged I got the same resulst 19:07:56 <Devedse> results* 19:08:55 <Devedse> Btw, my server is running with the client open, so not dedicated, can that have anything to do with it? 19:10:40 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dre@92.30.25.205] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:12:39 <Devedse> Nope, dedicated server still is only 200kb, glx, Xaroth, Rubidium, Ammler :) 19:13:31 <Devedse> I'm afk for a while, might be back later. 19:14:40 <Ammler> Xaroth: that doesn't sound right :-P 19:15:00 * Xaroth shrugs 19:15:04 <Ammler> Devedse: no need to highlight everyone 19:15:14 <Xaroth> he's dutch, you can't blame him :P 19:15:22 <Devedse> Yea im dutch you can't blame me ;( 19:15:29 <Ammler> @kban *.nl 19:15:29 <DorpsGek> Ammler: Error: *.nl is not in #openttd. 19:15:58 * Devedse is verry scared now :o 19:17:02 *** TheMask96 [martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:19:30 <Ammler> Devedse: I can confirm that as a openttd issue 19:19:42 <Devedse> Ammler, the download problem? 19:19:45 <Ammler> just created 2k² map 19:20:07 <Ammler> which got 6 mb, joining with 2nd client was instant 19:20:57 <Devedse> hmm 19:20:59 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:21:02 <Devedse> I wonder what I'm doing wrong then 19:21:05 <Ammler> windows? 19:21:30 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dre@92.30.239.250] has joined #openttd 19:21:45 <Devedse> ye 19:21:57 <Devedse> have to go now, I'm back in 40 min or something 19:22:09 <Ammler> then you might have the explaination 19:23:25 *** Priski [priski@lakka.kapsi.fi] has joined #openttd 19:23:28 *** Arie- [~Arie@188.88.67.15] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:24:41 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 19:25:15 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 19:31:22 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 19:31:44 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:35:17 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:39:04 *** green-devil [~greendevi@0603ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 19:39:50 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:40:19 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 19:40:22 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 19:41:23 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [] 19:43:52 *** enr1x [~kiike@99.227.21.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:44:40 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-5-192.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:48:32 <andythenorth> 19:48:41 <andythenorth> maybe more, maybe less 19:51:26 <Kogut> for what? 19:51:35 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19CEE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:52:17 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.130.59] has joined #openttd 19:53:20 <andythenorth> 'how much would you pay' question? 19:53:26 *** green-devil [~greendevi@0603ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:53:43 <andythenorth> Terkhen: I haven't tried partial refit with HEQS trams, but I would suspect all kinds of badness 19:54:02 <andythenorth> the trams are an exciting mix of visible and invisible vehicles, not necessarily in the order you'd expect 19:54:13 <Kogut> it is possible to select part of wagon, insible sprites etc 19:54:37 <Kogut> graphics changes in odd way 19:54:47 <andythenorth> they're really a clever technical solution to limitations of road vehicles 19:55:15 <andythenorth> I suspect if we try to make smarter ways to refit road vehicles, clever newgrf solutions start to break 19:55:41 <Kogut> but it is possible to have indystrial tram with 200 tonnes of coal and 10 crates of engineering supplies 19:56:02 <Kogut> and it is in my personal patchpack 19:56:19 <andythenorth> that's encouraging 20:07:37 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:12:51 <Kogut> andythenorth: Thanks for FIRS & HEQS! 20:13:36 <andythenorth> np 20:18:23 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-111.dslextreme.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:23:40 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 20:23:47 <andythenorth> Kogut: found any bugs in HEQS 0.9.6? 20:25:58 *** X-2 [~X-2@5ED67292.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 20:26:11 <Ammler> TrueBrain: how do you connect to your drupal, which nginx module? 20:27:27 <andythenorth> Ammler: django? 20:27:30 <Ammler> (wondering if I should try something else than passenger for the hg server) 20:27:38 <Ammler> django, of course :-) 20:27:45 <TrueBrain> fcgi unix socket 20:28:21 <andythenorth> planetmaker: what are you trying to connect to? A framework, or a python wsgi app? 20:28:42 <Xaroth> django <3 20:30:34 <Ammler> TrueBrain: and how do you serve the hg repos, same way? 20:30:52 <TrueBrain> eeeeuuuuuhhhhhhhhhh 20:30:57 <TrueBrain> via tcp socket 20:32:07 <Ammler> hgweb.wsgi? 20:32:20 <TrueBrain> maybe via lighttpd proxied .. 20:32:21 <TrueBrain> dunno 20:32:46 <TrueBrain> playing an MMO atm, 780 people on one grid .. kind of busy :D 20:33:24 <Devedse> TrueBrain, eve online? 20:33:28 <TrueBrain> :D 20:33:33 <Ammler> oh sorry, don't let you disturb :-P 20:33:49 <TrueBrain> Ammler: I meant, I can't look it up, and my memory is not that good .. 20:34:04 <Ammler> nah, it is fine 20:35:00 <Ammler> nginx does have uwsgi in core now 20:41:57 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-68-43.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:43:22 <andythenorth> wsgi seems to be a nice thing 20:43:38 <andythenorth> I don't do anything with it, but it seems to not suck 20:44:13 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-235-21.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 20:44:16 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 20:47:14 <TrueBrain> the next big buzz-word ;) 20:47:17 <TrueBrain> no, it actually is good :) 20:47:26 <TrueBrain> CGI, but done right ;) 20:48:20 <andythenorth> I remember reading the zope pope's opinion on CGI once. 20:48:20 <andythenorth> he was basically horified 20:48:30 <TrueBrain> any sane person would be 20:48:59 <andythenorth> he came up with Zope, which may not have been a sane answer :P 20:49:26 <TrueBrain> WSGI is a nice, efficient, fast, and open protocol 20:49:32 <TrueBrain> seems to work rather nice :) 20:50:25 <Zuu> So in other words it will take forever before IIS adds support for it? :-p 20:50:34 <andythenorth> we use it a lot for gluing python stuff together 20:50:34 <TrueBrain> of course, of course 20:50:39 <andythenorth> repoze is clever too 20:52:22 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 20:52:48 <TrueBrain> Ammler: owh, it is worse: hgweb runs via plain cgi 20:53:55 <Ammler> hg.openttdcoop.org runs with passenger/wsgi 20:54:09 <Ammler> but push.openttdcoop.org still with standalone python server 20:54:11 <Ammler> :-) 20:54:47 <Ammler> I have troubles to get authentication working with passenger and so i am looking for other things 20:55:54 <TrueBrain> you can't push to our hg, so .. 20:56:18 <Ammler> devs push over ssh, I assume 20:56:24 <TrueBrain> yup 21:02:58 *** X-2 [~X-2@5ED67292.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:04:32 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.45.7] has joined #openttd 21:04:57 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:09:07 *** Kogut [d586afe1@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 21:21:03 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 21:21:06 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 21:21:46 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-11-41.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 21:24:12 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@2002:6d4a:c7b0::1] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:29:10 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-111.dslextreme.com] has joined #openttd 21:31:21 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.130.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:32:36 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [] 21:39:54 *** SgobbiT [~sgobbit@host208-243-dynamic.41-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 21:42:31 <planetmaker> will vehicles with 0 power and 0 capacity be available? 21:43:23 <andythenorth> try it and see? 21:43:40 <andythenorth> I know from experience yesterday, they should if that's set via cb36 21:43:53 <andythenorth> brake vans are 21:43:56 <andythenorth> in UKRS etc 21:44:42 <planetmaker> yeah, I'm trying to implement a caboose 21:45:33 <planetmaker> but I don't see it (yet) ingame - thus I wonder whether I do something wrong or whether some of my assumptions are wong ;-) 21:45:48 <frosch123> just make sure you set the default cargo slot to 0, and they will be available 21:46:03 <andythenorth> frosch123: how do you know all this stuff? :P 21:46:11 <andythenorth> and you never coded a vehicle grf :P 21:46:40 <frosch123> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/img/wiki_up/CargoMagic.dot.png <- but i did that picture :p 21:47:11 * andythenorth has seriously wrong internet today :P 21:47:16 <andythenorth> and can't see the picture 21:47:53 <frosch123> how wrong can the internet be if you cannot see .png :s 21:48:24 <andythenorth> v. slow 21:48:29 <andythenorth> for images and video 21:48:32 <Eddi|zuHause> i know that internet. 21:48:39 <Eddi|zuHause> but i thought i had the full share of this :p 21:48:40 <andythenorth> guess UK ISPs are profiling traffic 21:48:50 <andythenorth> they're not supposed to, but they probably have to 21:49:08 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:56:16 *** Arie- [~Arie@188.88.67.15] has joined #openttd 22:03:16 <Belugas> home, here i go toward Thou! 22:03:48 *** SgobbiT [~sgobbit@host208-243-dynamic.41-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has left #openttd [] 22:05:21 * fjb waves good bye to Belugas. 22:06:09 <fjb> frosch123: What did you use to make that nice diagram? 22:07:34 <frosch123> "dot" from "graphviz" 22:07:43 <frosch123> just take a look at the source :) 22:08:25 <fjb> Ah, I know about dot, but I never used it. 22:11:43 * fjb is learning Eclipse at the moment. 22:13:07 <frosch123> the bloated ide? 22:13:16 <Rubidium> the stupid movie? 22:13:46 <fjb> The ide, not the movie (what ever movie that may be). 22:13:46 <Prof_Frink> The last track on DSotM? 22:14:25 <fjb> It has a nice remote debugging feature. 22:16:22 *** kickmenot [~Froggg@94.233.192.14] has joined #openttd 22:17:17 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:19:42 <frosch123> night 22:19:45 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f6e87.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:21:27 *** kickmenot [~Froggg@94.233.192.14] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:24:28 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-94-112-27-188.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:25:17 <Zuu> Is 25 or even 16 LUX way to much for a bike head light? 22:26:02 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@2002:6d4a:c7b0::1] has joined #openttd 22:26:12 <Zuu> I bought a random front lamp at a bike store last week, but it is soo bad that I can't even turn it off without taking out the batteries. 22:27:07 <Zuu> So I went online and started looking and found out that my old lamp is called a "safety" lamp, and "standard" Sigma lamps do 15-25 LUX. 22:27:42 <Zuu> however, they haven't writtern how strong my old lamp is so it is hard to compare. :-s 22:29:09 *** kickmenot [~Froggg@94.233.192.14] has joined #openttd 22:29:12 <kickmenot> 0hai 22:29:38 <kickmenot> shix 22:29:48 *** kickmenot is now known as ElementalPoop 22:31:51 *** ElementalPoop [~Froggg@94.233.192.14] has left #openttd [] 22:32:00 *** ElementalPoop [~Froggg@94.233.192.14] has joined #openttd 22:32:30 *** ElementalPoop [~Froggg@94.233.192.14] has left #openttd [] 22:35:06 <fjb> Lux is relative to the distance. 22:41:25 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 22:42:36 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4db1be29.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:44:15 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [] 22:49:22 *** Arie- [~Arie@188.88.67.15] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:50:36 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 22:50:36 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:50:38 <Zuu> I found something on wikipedia saying that 1 Lux = 1 lumen spread over one square meter, which makes it impossible to compare against my low energy "light blubs" that has their lightness written in lumen. :-/ 22:51:25 <Zuu> Unless the area is measured on the lamp itself, then it is just a bit of measuring and calculations. 22:52:10 <Eddi|zuHause> anything that "spreads" is usually proportional to 1/r^2 22:52:10 <Prof_Frink> In which case, 15-25 lux is bugger all. 22:52:42 <Eddi|zuHause> sound, light, ... 22:53:04 <Prof_Frink> Yes, but r is unspecified. 22:53:49 <Eddi|zuHause> reading the above it probably means 1m^2 is the surface of the sphere around the source 22:55:13 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 22:55:13 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:55:49 <Eddi|zuHause> so if the surface of a sphere is 4 pi r^2, then you can calculate r 22:55:57 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:56:20 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 22:56:59 <Eddi|zuHause> or the other way round, if you know your distance to the source, you can calculate the surface of the appropriate sphere, and then scale that surface to 1m^2 22:58:15 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 22:59:54 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-167-194.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [] 23:00:20 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 23:00:20 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:01:27 *** elmz_ [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 23:02:08 *** elmz [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:02:08 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-5-192.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:02:14 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:2dde:3a93:1c06:622f] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:02:15 <Prof_Frink> Zuu: The single LED in my head torch is about 50 Lumen, which would be 16 lux @ 1m 23:02:24 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-5-192.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 23:02:30 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:2dde:3a93:1c06:622f] has joined #openttd 23:03:16 <Zuu> Okay 23:03:47 <Zuu> Is it a good strength? Not too weak, but neither too strong to make other bikers crash on you becasue they can't see anything :-p 23:04:03 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 23:04:43 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:05:26 <Prof_Frink> Zuu: Most cyclists I know have lights as bright as car headlamps. 23:06:28 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe8bde00-63.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 23:06:41 <Prof_Frink> And then more lights strapped to their helmet 23:11:31 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [] 23:12:24 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 23:13:16 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleeps.] 23:17:59 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6A8D2.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 23:23:17 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.168.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:24:32 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-11-41.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:30:59 *** enr1x [~kiike@99.227.21.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 23:31:22 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF882F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:39:18 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:40:41 <planetmaker> Zuu: going by my head light (litterally) 50 lumen is what you want at least :-) 23:41:55 <planetmaker> [23:54] <Eddi|zuHause> anything that "spreads" is usually proportional to 1/r^2 <-- only monopoles ;-) 23:43:58 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC3AB0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 23:45:12 <Terkhen> good night 23:46:00 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-235-21.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:46:42 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-111.dslextreme.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:48:14 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-99-249.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 23:48:17 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 23:48:47 <planetmaker> g'night Terkhen 23:51:07 *** CogsOfGoo [~CruelC@94.233.192.14] has joined #openttd 23:51:28 <CogsOfGoo> 0hai 23:51:34 <CogsOfGoo> +_+ 23:51:59 *** goblin [~goblin@krlh-5f726525.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:52:07 <planetmaker> hi 23:53:54 <CogsOfGoo> There's a palette bug in OTTD on ubuntu 23:54:45 <Eddi|zuHause> please state the nature of the medical emergency 23:55:10 <glx> CogsOfGoo: blame the video driver 23:55:28 <glx> and try a 32bpp blitter 23:58:25 * Zuu points at FS#4280 (a really trival patch) and hopes it will help to bring the next party closer :-)