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00:00:35 <KenjiE20> continued dark tonight, turning to scattered light in the morning 00:01:45 <[Xed]> Haha i knew it, even the darkest periods end up in a dawn sooner or later :D 00:02:54 <KenjiE20> twas a quote 00:03:18 <[Xed]> yep it was :) 00:17:29 <Rubidium> dihedral: it's (IMO) too much work to keep the docommand stuff retain the same command id; you need to add all kinds of checks for non-subsequent lists of commands and such 00:18:12 <Rubidium> Wolf01: I don't quite get it, but make a savegame and file a bug report 00:21:18 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 00:24:31 <z-MaTRiX> hey-ho 00:25:39 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@245.40.49.60.kmr01-home.tm.net.my] has joined #openttd 00:30:51 *** KouDy [~KouDy@245.40.49.60.kmr01-home.tm.net.my] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:31:20 <Wolf01> Rubidium, http://bugs.openttd.org/task/4391 00:32:52 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has quit [Quit: Good bye] 00:38:34 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.0.107.57] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 00:44:29 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-75-247.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 00:51:37 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC4EEF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:52:21 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC4963.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:55:04 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF84F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:55:30 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: more listen, more understand, more know] 01:05:02 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC4963.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 01:05:42 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe86de00-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 01:12:14 *** Markavian [~Markavian@CPE-60-224-82-14.wxzr1.win.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 01:13:06 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 01:21:59 <SmatZ> lol @ Oprah Winfrey Network 01:31:30 *** clum [~clum@92.9.229.177] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:34:37 *** Chrill [Chrill@ip68-8-120-178.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 01:46:16 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:51:11 <Wolf01> ok, istead of making daylength I made the year loop for 4 times each year, now I only have to fixh the leap year, reduce the speed of days and months to reflect the right day and month and then base the year introduction to the fake year 01:51:55 <Wolf01> and in finances window every trimester instead of every year 01:52:09 <Wolf01> if the loop are 4-based 01:52:41 <Wolf01> so 1 fakeyear = 4 years -> 1 year = 3 fakemonths 02:22:43 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4db0f82a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:26:13 <z-MaTRiX> heyh 02:26:23 <z-MaTRiX> a little late night coding? 02:36:35 <Wolf01> the best hours 02:38:17 <Wolf01> 'night 02:38:21 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host17-232-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 02:38:24 *** [Xed] [~Xed@adsl-ull-223-21.47-151.net24.it] has quit [Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~] 02:42:23 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75806.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 03:00:26 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:26:55 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75806.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:36:26 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75806.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:33:35 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 04:44:36 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:7012:d760:a1c4:a2cb] has quit [Quit: bye] 05:04:28 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@AB331337.catv.pool.z-labor.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:04:47 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@AB331337.catv.pool.z-labor.com] has joined #openttd 05:05:16 *** z-MaTRiX is now known as Guest3696 05:28:48 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [] 05:39:20 *** kamnet [4cb171cd@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 05:39:34 <kamnet> Anybody awake at this hour? 05:44:36 *** Guest3696 [~matrix@AB331337.catv.pool.z-labor.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:44:51 *** z-MaTRiX_ [~matrix@AB331337.catv.pool.z-labor.com] has joined #openttd 05:46:49 <supermop> yep 05:52:47 <kamnet> Well good morning! 05:53:40 <supermop> heh 05:53:56 <supermop> you are in EST as well, kamnet, right? 05:54:02 <kamnet> I am 05:55:24 <supermop> how's it going? 05:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75806.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:56:22 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76222.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:56:43 <kamnet> It's okay. Lightly snowing. Hope it's clear enough for me tomorrow to get out and do some work for some clients. 05:57:19 <supermop> we were supposed to get alot today 05:57:32 <supermop> it snowed really heavily until about 3 05:57:40 <supermop> then stopped 05:57:50 <supermop> not much on the ground though 05:58:12 <supermop> melted before falling back down to 20s 05:58:14 <kamnet> we're supposed to get an inch 05:58:22 <supermop> ah 05:58:40 <supermop> was supposed to be 6 here, but ended up being less than 3 05:59:18 *** fanioz [~fanioz@114.79.59.129] has quit [Quit: Leaving, BRB] 06:00:01 <kamnet> tha'ts good 06:00:33 <supermop> i actually like snow in the city 06:02:23 *** Chrill [Chrill@ip68-8-120-178.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:03:31 <kamnet> where do you live again? 06:04:46 <supermop> right now i am in manhattan 06:11:57 <kamnet> In the big city, woot! 06:12:30 <supermop> i thoought that 't' was an 'f' 06:12:41 <supermop> was confused why city = dogs 06:12:59 <kamnet> lol 06:15:45 <supermop> Where abouts are you? 06:20:27 <kamnet> eastern KY, about 30 minutes from Lexington 06:23:27 <supermop> ok 06:23:43 <supermop> i have spent most of my time in Ohio, 06:24:05 <supermop> but not familiar with that part of Kentucky 06:24:23 <kamnet> lots of horses... 06:26:51 <supermop> hhm 06:28:08 <supermop> what do you do? 06:34:48 *** Chrill [Chrill@ip68-8-120-178.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 06:36:37 <kamnet> I do lots of stuff. Mainly I work from home operating a switch board for an electronics company. 06:37:01 <kamnet> I also dabble in web design, photography, videography and I take outside assignments for store audits and merchandising. 06:37:36 <supermop> call handelling? 06:38:46 <kamnet> pretty much. people call in, tell me what they need and I send them to whatever department 06:48:20 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 06:48:22 *** deepa [~deepy@089-101-223077.ntlworld.ie] has joined #openttd 06:48:24 <andythenorth> morningz 06:48:34 <deepa> Can you record games of openttd :D? 06:49:10 <kamnet> With the appropriate screen recording software, yes. 06:49:15 <kamnet> Not built into the game though. 06:49:19 <kamnet> Goodmorning andythenorth 06:49:51 <supermop> hi andy 06:49:59 <supermop> up early! 06:52:51 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 06:54:31 <supermop> ok I have to go to bed 06:59:48 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 07:21:14 * Zuu just got out of bed :-p 07:21:52 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:22:52 <Zuu> To early for a Saturday, but at least I get the enjoyment of going on a train that will take 3 hours or by random more time up to 7-8 hours :-) 07:50:19 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:58:51 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 07:59:56 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 08:06:37 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe86de00-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 08:07:47 <andythenorth> hmm 08:08:01 <andythenorth> have game downloads spike in the last 10 days? 08:08:21 <andythenorth> +d 08:10:41 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.44.84] has joined #openttd 08:12:58 <Rubidium> a bit, but not that significant as for the first 1.0.0 betas 08:13:24 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:13:27 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 08:15:13 *** duckblaster [~duckblast@122-59-202-3.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #openttd 08:15:19 *** duckblaster [~duckblast@122-59-202-3.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [] 08:16:13 <andythenorth> for some reason grf downloads on FISH / FIRS look like they jumped 08:16:28 <andythenorth> I don't graph them though 08:17:19 <Alberth> fish may jump 08:17:49 <Alberth> a lot of players have 'discovered' 1.1 beta, and are testing your grfs perhaps 08:18:00 <kamnet> Let me ask ya, andy, what kinda ideas do you have for updating industrial stations? 08:18:23 <kamnet> Rubidium: a bit, but not that significant as for the first 1.0.0 betas 08:19:20 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 08:21:24 <Alberth> aren't there a few servers that use your FIRS ? 08:23:25 <andythenorth> kamnet: ISR? 08:23:28 <andythenorth> change the ground tiles 08:23:44 <andythenorth> taste is subjective, but I dislike them 08:23:48 <kamnet> what do you not like about them? 08:25:28 <andythenorth> they're visually noisy and unpleasing to me 08:25:51 <kamnet> agreed. 08:25:57 <andythenorth> in my view, sprites should either fit TTD classic style, or OpenGFX style, ISR ground is neither 08:26:02 <andythenorth> it tries to be realistic 08:26:07 <kamnet> have you seen my modification of them in my road sprites? 08:26:51 <andythenorth> removing the green noise? 08:27:05 <kamnet> yes. Is that a good improvement? 08:27:11 <andythenorth> it's better 08:27:21 <andythenorth> hmm 08:27:25 <andythenorth> ISR Renewal? 08:27:29 <andythenorth> ISRR 08:27:32 <kamnet> But is it good? (as opposed to evil ISR :D) 08:27:32 <andythenorth> ISR^2? 08:27:40 <andythenorth> I wanted to use the FIRS ground tiles 08:27:46 <andythenorth> I dunno 08:28:05 <andythenorth> I'm not sure whether I personally want to improve ISR, or start a new ISR 08:28:40 <andythenorth> I would prefer a slightly smaller set, tailored to match FIRS industries 08:28:48 <kamnet> The reason those ISR ground tiles are green in color is because they're actually set to the blue/pink transparency colors. So whatever the base ground sprite is, that is what shows through. 08:28:56 <andythenorth> makes sense 08:29:09 <andythenorth> I know why that was done, but I don't like it :) 08:29:14 <andythenorth> 'realism' 08:29:26 <andythenorth> it does fit some other sets 08:29:29 <kamnet> I was just going to ponder why that was done. Doesn't look all that realistic to me. 08:29:51 <andythenorth> the aim was to show gravel rather than tarmac 08:30:04 <andythenorth> like rail yards where the ground covering isn't 100% 08:30:12 <kamnet> doesn't look like gravel to me either, though. 08:30:42 <andythenorth> it's a shame the station sprites are all composited with the ground tile in the source 08:30:50 <andythenorth> otherwise it would be easy to fix 08:31:50 <kamnet> I think "Industrial Stations for FIRS" would be nice. 08:38:12 <andythenorth> for roadtypes an actual spec of the bits might be the next step... 08:38:16 <Alberth> FISR :) 08:38:33 <andythenorth> FISS 08:38:59 <kamnet> FISR 4 FIRS 08:39:03 <andythenorth> FINE 08:46:03 <andythenorth> FINE Is Nicely Enigmatic 08:46:08 <andythenorth> that took some time to work out :P 08:46:27 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D4BD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:46:46 <kamnet> Nooooo... 09:05:51 <andythenorth> catenary would be an action 3 graphics method for roadtypes? 09:05:57 <andythenorth> doesn't need any tile bits? 09:08:24 <andythenorth> planetmaker: would a roadtypes project make sense at devzone? 09:28:44 <andythenorth> what does this do? m5 bits 5..4: bits to disallow vehicles to go a specific direction 09:29:09 <andythenorth> or more precisely, are those bits needed for both roadtypes, or just once on the tile? 09:29:50 <andythenorth> do they provide one way roads? 09:30:29 <Alberth> that would be my guess. You can check by looking for some oneway road function, and looking what bits they use 09:30:40 * andythenorth to the source! 09:31:06 <Alberth> grep -ri oneway src :) 09:31:32 <andythenorth> yeah, they're oneway bits 09:31:41 <andythenorth> not sure how that fits the spec 09:32:13 <andythenorth> it's too complicated to have one way for one roadtype but not the other 09:32:44 <Alberth> it also does not make much sense to have that imho 09:32:59 <andythenorth> I think it just wouldn't work at all 09:34:00 <Alberth> and you can easily consider it outside the scope of your current patch :) 09:40:03 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:43:35 <andythenorth> roadtypes bits: http://pastebin.com/ZqiYb57B 09:44:06 <andythenorth> 8 needed, 13 free 09:45:47 <andythenorth> how should they be allocated? 09:47:33 <andythenorth> hmm 09:47:38 * andythenorth sees an error 09:48:51 <andythenorth> move roadtype 1 owner bits (5 needed) to m4? 09:50:17 * andythenorth ponders just using three bits for type 09:50:35 <andythenorth> probably not quite enough 09:50:56 <andythenorth> do bits need to be kept adjacent in each m block? 09:51:05 <andythenorth> or can they be fragmented? 09:56:36 <andythenorth> fixed an oops: http://pastebin.com/RJGy07Wx 10:00:53 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.188.196] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:01:14 *** |kesselhaus| [~kesselhau@tmo-104-186.customers.d1-online.com] has joined #openttd 10:01:33 *** dageek [~dageek@11.74.155.90.in-addr.arpa] has joined #openttd 10:03:18 <planetmaker> andythenorth: it would 10:03:48 <andythenorth> need to be kept adjacent? 10:03:53 <planetmaker> it's free to all open-source openttd-related development projects 10:04:14 *** kesselhaus [~kesselhau@tmo-108-48.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:04:37 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6D2EB.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:04:38 <andythenorth> oh I see :) 10:04:39 <planetmaker> a subproject of openttd->branches would seem to be the place 10:04:42 <kamnet> Woot. I has created a cell phone tower. http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=139303 10:04:44 <andythenorth> crossed wires :) 10:05:34 <kamnet> Shading is not quite right but it's a mircale I made it this far. 10:05:38 <planetmaker> doesn't work, kamnet :-( 10:06:01 <kamnet> farkle. hang on 10:06:12 <andythenorth> planetmaker: made the project 10:06:13 * planetmaker wonders whether kamnet would like to start adding some objects to opengfx+landscape... 10:06:20 <planetmaker> http://img.openttdcoop.org/ <-- use that, kamnet 10:06:27 <andythenorth> what's a good way to handle spec? wiki / documents / tickets? 10:06:45 <Alberth> what spec? 10:07:02 <kamnet> Now we got it. http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=49450&p=923523#p923523 10:07:03 <andythenorth> roadtypes 10:07:13 <planetmaker> also... did I say 'good morning'? :-) 10:07:39 <andythenorth> morning 10:08:01 <Alberth> tile bits in whatever document we have in trunk, NewGRF spec either in a text file or at a wiki page (if you want others to change it) 10:08:07 <kamnet> Good morning 10:08:20 <Alberth> moin planetmaker 10:09:48 <planetmaker> very nice, kamnet :-) 10:09:51 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-36-135.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 10:10:59 <planetmaker> I think though the very white part of the one antenna is too much 10:11:09 <kamnet> Let me finish up what I've already started planetmaker :-) I promised Wallyweb I'd work on a few towers to add to NewObjects, and I want to finish the road sprites I'm working on as well. Maybe I can convince a nice coder to come along and help me finish that :D 10:11:13 <planetmaker> the left one 10:11:36 <planetmaker> ah, ok :-) no worries. Seeing them in wally's newobjects is just as fine 10:12:14 <kamnet> Oh, the left one is Wally's, the middle one is mine, the right one is SAC's tall street lights. Put it up for scale comparison. 10:12:31 <planetmaker> he :-P 10:13:22 <kamnet> all the antenna array on the left side of my tower need to be the same dark shade. That white may still be too bright as well 10:13:54 <planetmaker> right, I think the shading of the metal of the antenna itself could use some re-touch. not sure it fits light direction. Which way do they point and bend? 10:13:55 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-13-220.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:14:04 <planetmaker> the white on yours is fine 10:14:21 <planetmaker> but might seem a pixel too wide to the left 10:15:00 <planetmaker> hm, just the brightness of red and white doesn't seem to have the same gradient... 10:16:21 <kamnet> yeah the red is darker. I think I want to go more dark on the white 10:19:16 <andythenorth> try pink instead of red 10:19:41 <andythenorth> red + white will always result in high contrast, I think it's something to do with the physics of the eye 10:19:46 <andythenorth> the default lighthouse is pink 10:19:53 <andythenorth> not all game colours == real world colours 10:28:11 <andythenorth> kamnet: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=49450&p=923527#p923527 10:28:19 <andythenorth> the purple antenna parts don't work 10:28:38 <andythenorth> also I can't quite prevent it looking like there's a step between the red and white 10:28:43 <andythenorth> needs anti-aliasing 10:29:16 <andythenorth> and the base of the tower needs some pixels, either a foundation, or just some shadowing 10:29:32 * andythenorth resumes doing boring resizing of boats 10:29:33 <planetmaker> the default light house is not pink 10:29:47 <planetmaker> maybe for a minority of people :-P 10:30:46 <andythenorth> it uses the same shades as brick buildings 10:31:02 <andythenorth> not in OpenGFX mind 10:31:34 <Alberth> the red is too strong imho 10:31:53 <Alberth> it looks somewhat opengfx oilrig-ish 10:32:35 <planetmaker> andythenorth: that's why I object to the use of 'default'. Either it's TTD or OpenGFX ;-) 10:33:09 <andythenorth> ach a vie 10:33:11 <planetmaker> because default de-facto is OpenGFX 10:33:17 <andythenorth> not in my world :P 10:33:29 <andythenorth> anyways, you're correct 10:36:01 <kamnet> Are you sure your monitor is calibrated right Andy? :-) 10:38:27 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:39:24 *** dageek [~dageek@11.74.155.90.in-addr.arpa] has quit [Quit: dageek] 10:39:26 <andythenorth> yup 10:39:35 <andythenorth> but I'm on a mac which has different gamma and colour space 10:39:43 <andythenorth> still... 10:40:03 <kamnet> Okay, I was just wondering if you were on a mac... 10:40:08 <kamnet> because that's like WAY off. 10:40:42 <andythenorth> hmm 10:41:28 <kamnet> See your PM 10:41:51 *** clum [~clum@92.9.229.177] has joined #openttd 10:42:09 <planetmaker> I'd not say that any of it is way off... 10:42:29 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B76222.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:42:46 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76222.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 10:42:53 <kamnet> All the whites look grey and all the greys look purple. 10:43:04 <planetmaker> usually the mac comes with a manufacturer - supplied means to colour-calibrate your stuff and I assume that andy did that ;-) 10:43:27 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 10:44:05 <planetmaker> maybe you need to adjust yours? ;-) 10:44:13 <planetmaker> but yes, I'm on mac, too 10:44:32 <planetmaker> but I did colour-calibrate stuff as well as I could 10:45:24 <planetmaker> and the change from white to grey was probably intended and shows here as such, too. 10:45:50 <andythenorth> kamnet: the whites look grey because I've drawn it correctly for original TTD style :) 10:45:59 <andythenorth> the purple...less so 10:46:08 <planetmaker> and indeed. your antennas got a hue of purple ;-) 10:46:19 <andythenorth> it doesn't matter whether you're colour calibrated or not 10:46:22 <kamnet> OH! Okay so you've changed the palette. 10:46:34 <andythenorth> no 10:46:46 <kamnet> or not the palette... but the coloring. 10:46:48 <andythenorth> I've drawn it correctly :) 10:47:14 <planetmaker> the antennas are purple, still ;-) 10:47:18 <planetmaker> that's true 10:48:50 <andythenorth> the antennas are fail 10:48:59 <planetmaker> btw, kamnet: I'd arrange the antennas circular, not in a square 10:49:03 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 10:49:17 <andythenorth> sometimes purple (the window shades) works for shiny surfaces 10:49:20 <andythenorth> in this case, not 10:49:50 <andythenorth> quite a bit of FIRS greeble, metal storage tanks etc is purple + grey 10:51:04 <kamnet> Actually I was trying for triangular... LOL 10:51:18 <planetmaker> :-D 10:54:17 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-75-247.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:55:45 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 10:58:40 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host17-232-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 10:59:31 <Wolf01> hello 11:00:24 <Alberth> hello 11:01:49 <kamnet> good morning 11:05:33 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:12:41 <Wolf01> Alberth: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=52230 11:13:30 <Alberth> I noticed :) 11:13:38 <Alberth> Hopefully it will work out 11:13:40 <kamnet> Looks like a neat implementation 11:14:31 <Alberth> thanks for trying to realize my suggestion :) 11:14:57 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@245.40.49.60.kmr01-home.tm.net.my] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:15:39 <Wolf01> I found the DAY_TICK way too much complex 11:15:45 <Wolf01> too many problems 11:15:57 <Wolf01> then I decided for that 11:17:06 <kamnet> I'm playing w/ ChillCore's patch pack and I've found that pushing the daylength factor more than 40 causes some issues. 11:17:26 <Wolf01> pushing it more than 4 ahould arelady cause issues 11:17:31 <Wolf01> *should 11:17:34 <kamnet> Already found that pushing it beyond 14 messes with how much I make on short deliveries with RVs 11:17:50 <Wolf01> I'm dyslexic :D 11:19:48 <kamnet> But I don't play for profit so much as I play for fun and sandboxing 11:20:02 <Wolf01> yesterday I tried to play with the old implementation, I was able to repay the borrow and purchase an aircraft after 8 days of game, using a single bus as my only source of income between 2 cities at 20-25 tiles 11:22:08 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 11:22:25 *** KouDy [~KouDy@245.40.49.60.kmr01-home.tm.net.my] has joined #openttd 11:22:29 <kamnet> lol nice 11:24:54 <Wolf01> now I must think how to handle the leap year 11:25:26 *** Chrill [Chrill@ip68-8-120-178.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [] 11:25:33 <Wolf01> mmmh, in the same way it's handled currently if IsLeapYear 11:27:31 <Alberth> If that worked in RL, I'd start a bus comapny right away :) 11:28:06 <Wolf01> eheh 11:28:09 <Wolf01> me too 11:30:17 <kamnet> How much fare are ya charging though?? 11:33:35 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 11:40:02 *** dageek [~dageek@11.74.155.90.in-addr.arpa] has joined #openttd 11:41:05 *** dageek [~dageek@11.74.155.90.in-addr.arpa] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:41:35 *** dageek [~dageek@2001:8b0:ff85:0:223:6cff:fe87:e49c] has joined #openttd 11:41:52 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.0.107.57] has joined #openttd 11:41:59 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 11:47:09 <andythenorth> http://www.johnsadowski.com/big_spanish_castle.php 11:50:21 <Chris_Booth> andythenorth: stumble is not your friend 11:55:33 *** UltzMan [~kvirc@88.130.130.242] has joined #openttd 11:55:36 *** kamnet [4cb171cd@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 11:58:04 *** UltzMan [~kvirc@88.130.130.242] has quit [] 12:01:52 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 12:09:02 *** LordAro [56a75487@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 12:09:30 <LordAro> moin 12:10:35 <Andel> hello?? 12:10:38 <Andel> aha! 12:10:46 <Andel> non-openttd Q, if I may? 12:11:01 <LordAro> @topic 3 12:11:01 <DorpsGek> LordAro: topic [<channel>] 12:11:08 <LordAro> dman 12:11:36 <LordAro> you can 12:13:12 <Andel> hmmm 12:13:22 <Andel> how can I remove DRM from WMAs (pref for free)... 12:13:47 <Alberth> right 12:13:51 <Andel> ooo freeme2 12:13:55 <Andel> might download that :-) 12:14:09 <Eddi|zuHause> Andel: obviously download a pirated copy, like everybody else :p 12:14:12 <Andel> lol 12:14:40 <Andel> (I want to listen to an album from zune in the car on the HDD drive) 12:14:46 <Alberth> or don't use anything with a DRM on it 12:14:54 <Andel> cheap music = drm 12:15:26 <LordAro> hmmm, might use that to bypass iplayer restrictions... :) 12:15:26 <Ylioppilas> steal everything, be a rebel 12:16:15 <Alberth> Ylioppilas: you believe that until everybody starts stealing from you 12:16:40 <Eddi|zuHause> Andel: well, the next alternative would be playback and record into a "free" format 12:16:52 <Ylioppilas> I was trying to be ironic 12:17:01 <Eddi|zuHause> depending on your value of "free" that'd be "ogg" or "mp3" 12:18:12 <Alberth> Ylioppilas: doesn't really work on a text-only medium 12:18:27 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff17c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:19:12 <Ylioppilas> that's true :( 12:19:15 *** Razmir [~razmir@23.57.broadband10.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 12:19:46 *** Razmir is now known as Guest3712 12:20:01 *** Guest3712 is now known as Razmir 12:20:14 <andythenorth> quak 12:20:14 <andythenorth> qua 12:20:16 <andythenorth> k 12:20:59 <frosch123> moin 12:21:04 <Alberth> moin 12:21:11 <LordAro> moin andy 12:24:51 <Razmir> Hi, these two lines in changelog of beta version caught my attention 12:24:51 <Razmir> - Feature: Chat directly to the server or a bot/admin/IRC channel monitoring the server (r21000) 12:24:51 <Razmir> - Feature: Remote administration (r20975-r20963) 12:24:51 <Razmir> Can someone push me, please, in a right direction to find some information about that? 12:26:19 <frosch123> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/joan https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/grapes 12:26:55 <Wolf01> what I need to change to add a new setting in the advanced settings? I added it to settings.h, added the variable in settings_type.h, the string in english.txt, but I don't remember what I missed, the game compiles but the setting doesn't appear 12:26:59 <frosch123> and http://hg.openttd.org/openttd/trunk.hg/raw-file/9765298e69f9/docs/admin_network.txt 12:27:00 *** dageek [~dageek@2001:8b0:ff85:0:223:6cff:fe87:e49c] has quit [Quit: dageek] 12:27:06 *** dageek [~dageek@2001:8b0:ff85:0:223:6cff:fe87:e49c] has joined #openttd 12:27:07 <Alberth> hmm, wiki needs an update for that 12:27:37 <frosch123> Wolf01: there is also something in settings_gui.cpp 12:28:34 <frosch123> search for SettingEntry and SettingsPage 12:28:57 <Razmir> frosch123: thanks 12:29:12 <frosch123> you're welcome 12:29:35 <Wolf01> aaah, I didn't find it in the gui folder in visual studio, thanks 12:30:28 * andythenorth is currently very glad that FISH has no cargo sprites 12:30:35 <andythenorth> this copy and paste business is boring 12:30:44 <andythenorth> 1 hour just to resize a ship 12:31:53 <andythenorth> if there were cargo sprites, add another couple of hours :P 12:32:22 <Eddi|zuHause> well... there is this open suggestion about composite vehicle sprites :p 12:32:28 <andythenorth> we dismissed it 12:32:29 <andythenorth> as bad 12:32:49 <Wolf01> good, now I only need to figure out how to display these values: 1,2,3,4,6,12 :D 12:32:51 <andythenorth> I believe *someone* has a half finished java app to recolor sprites before encoding them 12:33:15 <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: search for "one of many"? 12:33:33 <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: e.g. the map sizes? 12:33:57 <peter1138> map sizes are in bits 12:34:00 <Wolf01> I would have liked more something like <x> 12:34:12 <Wolf01> or x<> 12:34:29 <peter1138> valid value in the config is 6 to 11 12:36:07 *** clum [~clum@92.9.229.177] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:39:31 <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: i was under the impression that the <> get automatically added depending on the setting type 12:46:29 <welshdragon> so, when will we get the 1.1.x version of OpenTTD? 12:48:23 <andythenorth> tomorrow 12:48:39 <andythenorth> definitely, without question, or your money back 12:48:50 <welshdragon> :D 12:48:51 <andythenorth> or alternatively....when it's ready 12:49:21 <welshdragon> ah well, i've got the unofficial 1.0.5 build of OpenTTD 12:49:43 <planetmaker> you could get the official beta2 12:50:20 <frosch123> [13:46] <welshdragon> so, when will we get the 1.1.x version of OpenTTD? <- when the Welsh translation is up-to-date :p 12:50:36 <welshdragon> hah 12:50:51 <welshdragon> frosch123, i'll do some strings soon 12:51:00 <frosch123> :) 12:52:02 <Chris_Booth> I only ever remember one welsh word popdiping(microwave) best word ever 12:52:29 <welshdragon> haha 12:52:31 <welshdragon> it is 12:52:36 <Chris_Booth> not sure if it have got the spelling right 12:52:45 <welshdragon> poptyping 12:57:13 *** dageek [~dageek@2001:8b0:ff85:0:223:6cff:fe87:e49c] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:57:47 *** dageek [~dageek@11.74.155.90.in-addr.arpa] has joined #openttd 12:58:17 *** dageek is now known as Guest3713 12:58:17 *** Guest3713 [~dageek@11.74.155.90.in-addr.arpa] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:58:17 *** dageek [~dageek@11.74.155.90.in-addr.arpa] has joined #openttd 12:59:01 <Chris_Booth> walse also has the worlds slows dogs (araf) 12:59:06 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 12:59:55 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-84-42-201-180.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 13:04:26 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba8056.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 13:06:17 *** Adambean [AdamR@88.97.144.82] has joined #openttd 13:16:18 *** dageek is now known as Guest3714 13:16:18 *** Guest3714 [~dageek@11.74.155.90.in-addr.arpa] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:16:18 *** dageek [~dageek@2001:8b0:ff85:0:223:6cff:fe87:e49c] has joined #openttd 13:17:52 *** dageek [~dageek@2001:8b0:ff85:0:223:6cff:fe87:e49c] has left #openttd [] 13:18:52 *** [Xed] [~Xed@host118-246-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 13:19:38 *** dageek [~dageek@11.74.155.90.in-addr.arpa] has joined #openttd 13:21:56 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC4963.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:23:20 *** dageek [~dageek@11.74.155.90.in-addr.arpa] has quit [] 13:28:03 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-217-149.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 13:37:24 <planetmaker> roboboy: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=52009&start=20 <-- I'm sure you messed up quoting ;-) 13:37:53 <Wolf01> uhm, if I want to display another string as setting value, like it does the pathfinding setting, how do I proceed? 13:43:11 <Alberth> afaik, those strings are directly under the description string 13:43:15 *** clum [~clum@92.9.229.177] has joined #openttd 13:44:52 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76222.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:45:29 <Wolf01> yes, but I can't understand how to bind the stringID with the value 13:48:40 <Alberth> first value, first string, second value, second string, etc ? no idea about holes in such a range though, I would expect that not to be allowed, but you could check the setting rendering code how it computes the stringid from a vaue 13:48:42 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76222.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:50:16 <roboboy> thanx planetmaker 13:50:29 <Wolf01> no, no holes, I just use values from 0 to 5 and then display a custom string like pf does 13:51:11 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:1486:456e:7422:449d] has joined #openttd 13:51:14 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:52:15 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:52:46 <Wolf01> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/44/ the setting type is the same of the pf one (condvar) but uses values from 0 to 5 instead of 0 to 2 :) 13:53:38 <Wolf01> I tried searching what does the pf setting but seem not to do anything different 13:55:12 <Alberth> STR_CONFIG_SETTING_DEFAULT_SIGNAL_TYPE ? 13:55:20 <Alberth> line 1285 13:56:20 <Wolf01> english.txt? I'm just under 13:56:20 <Wolf01> STR_CONFIG_SETTING_PATHFINDER_FOR_SHIPS_OPF :Original {BLUE}(Recommended) 13:56:20 <Wolf01> STR_CONFIG_SETTING_PATHFINDER_FOR_SHIPS_NPF :NPF 13:56:20 <Wolf01> STR_CONFIG_SETTING_PATHFINDER_FOR_SHIPS_YAPF :YAPF {RED}(Not recommended) 13:57:12 <Alberth> looks the same 13:59:20 <Alberth> so how is it not working? 13:59:35 <Wolf01> it shows the number instead of the string 14:00:20 * Wolf01 http://wolf01.game-host.org/OTTD_related/patches/NADP_r21740_v0.2.diff 14:00:26 <Wolf01> if you want to give it a try 14:02:02 <Alberth> did you set MS in src/table/settings.h, like in the ship path finder, line 406 ? 14:02:12 <Wolf01> MS? 14:02:17 <Alberth> multi-string 14:02:23 <Wolf01> ah! 14:05:55 <Wolf01> good 14:06:04 <Wolf01> thanks 14:07:11 <Wolf01> and the setting value must start from 0, not from 1 14:11:21 *** ZirconiumX [561b9bc6@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 14:11:40 <ZirconiumX> hello 14:14:15 <Alberth> oi 14:14:36 <ZirconiumX> hello Alberth 14:16:27 * ZirconiumX looking at wolf01's patch, and is confused as to why you need to convert the date to a fake year, but is stupid, so will probably not get the answer 14:17:36 <Wolf01> because I didn't have the day, but I'm rewriting that 14:17:58 <ZirconiumX> good enough answer 14:20:54 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.44.84] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 14:23:14 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba8056.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:29:43 <ZirconiumX> Hmmmm 14:33:06 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.44.84] has joined #openttd 14:33:40 <roboboy> gnight 14:38:15 <planetmaker> night roboboy 14:38:27 <ZirconiumX> goodnight roboboy 14:43:08 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has joined #openttd 14:43:15 <DanMacK> Hey all 14:44:58 <ZirconiumX> hello DanMacK 14:51:31 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:51:42 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-106.dslextreme.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:12:54 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:22:12 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba8056.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:23:19 *** Wolf03 [~wolf01@host130-236-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 15:23:20 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest3728 15:23:20 *** Wolf03 is now known as Wolf01 15:27:30 <Eddi|zuHause> you know what? as soon as it is thawing, the forum is back to a readable state again :) 15:29:16 *** Guest3728 [~wolf01@host17-232-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:29:32 <SpComb> not in the spirit, I see 15:35:10 <Eddi|zuHause> it's not about spirit. it's more about red text on bright background phyiscally hurts my eyes 15:37:15 <Alberth> so you have a lot of reading to do now :) 15:38:14 <ZirconiumX> yup! 15:43:01 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-217-149.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:45:02 *** ZirconiumX [561b9bc6@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 15:45:18 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-217-149.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 15:47:37 <Eddi|zuHause> did anyone ever try to implement a "shift register"-like way to distribute cargo over same industries at a station? e.g. if you have a cargo, and industries A, B and C at the station accept cargo, the station stores a fifo-list [A,B,C]. on delivery of cargo, the first item gets popped, cargo delivered to that industry, and pushed back at the end, so it's now [B,C,A], then [C,A,B] and again [A,B,C] 15:47:46 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@100.230.189.46.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 15:48:43 <Wolf01> I once tried to do it 15:48:48 <Eddi|zuHause> if an industry stops accepting the cargo, it gets removed from the list 15:49:11 <Eddi|zuHause> if a new industry appears, or an industry accepts cargo again, it gets pushed at the end 15:49:13 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: afaik it works that way... 15:49:33 <planetmaker> if they're within range 15:49:34 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: since when? 15:49:44 <planetmaker> long 15:49:59 <planetmaker> like years 15:50:03 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: as far as i can think back, only ever the closest industry got cargo 15:50:17 <planetmaker> the closest accepting one 15:50:27 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 15:50:38 <Eddi|zuHause> and this is about three industries accepting the same cargo 15:50:41 <planetmaker> the issue with the sawmill as you might refer to: it continues to accept. Just not produce more 15:50:45 <planetmaker> yes, I know 15:50:58 <planetmaker> that's what I'm talking about, too ;-) 15:51:21 <planetmaker> I'm sure there's an interesting PBI savegame from the publicserver about that somewhere 15:51:42 <planetmaker> I learnt a lot about station spread, rectangles and differences between providing and accepting areas 15:51:49 <planetmaker> in that game 15:52:30 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: but not all industry sets implement an acceptance limit. so the game needs to provide other means to allow the distribution of incoming cargo 15:53:37 *** inji [~inji@217-209-1-220-no145.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 15:56:15 <ABCRic> distribution of cargo in this case would be useful, yes 15:56:21 <ABCRic> especially with ECS 15:57:27 <ABCRic> I have this savegame where I transport massive amounts of oil to a station with several refineries in range 15:59:13 *** perk111 [~perk11@46.159.163.230] has joined #openttd 15:59:18 <ABCRic> I have set the behavior parameter to allow unlimited acceptance of cargo, so it only overflows to other refineries when the amount reaches 65535 16:00:08 <SmatZ> why is grep so incredibly slow :( 16:00:17 *** KouDy [~KouDy@245.40.49.60.kmr01-home.tm.net.my] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:00:42 <dihedral> SmatZ, try using grep in a ram disk :-) 16:02:04 *** KouDy [~KouDy@245.40.49.60.kmr01-home.tm.net.my] has joined #openttd 16:03:11 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.44.84] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:04:14 <SmatZ> dihedral: it doesn't really help 16:04:20 <SmatZ> but I have 16:04:31 <SmatZ> cat $file | while read LINE; do... 16:04:43 <SmatZ> then I "grep $LINE" for some patterns 16:04:46 <SmatZ> and it's very slow 16:04:51 <SmatZ> like, 100 lines per second 16:04:55 <__ln___> SmatZ: try LC_ALL=C grep 16:05:32 <SmatZ> __ln___: it doesn't help 16:05:48 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: use awk to execute stuff depending on pattern matching? 16:05:53 <dihedral> why cat $file? 16:05:58 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: I would have to learn awk :) 16:06:07 <SmatZ> hmm 16:06:22 <SmatZ> maybe I can "grep -e pat1 -e pat2 -e pat3 $FILE" instead of "cat $FILE" 16:06:23 <dihedral> does grep not alreay read files? 16:06:44 <SmatZ> dihedral: I can't do that in that case, there is further processing 16:07:01 <dihedral> "<pat1>|<pat2>|<pat3>" 16:07:11 <SmatZ> probably creating the accepting automaton takes a lot of time 16:07:30 <dihedral> SmatZ, implement it in perl :-P 16:07:32 <SmatZ> dihedral: are you sure it would work? 16:07:32 <dihedral> that'll be fast enough i guess ^^ 16:07:33 <SmatZ> ... 16:07:38 <dihedral> :-D 16:07:54 <dihedral> i'd assume the slow part is not grep 16:08:00 <dihedral> ;-) 16:08:30 <SmatZ> I am quite sure it is 16:08:31 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: awk is really simple... like "awk '/pattern1/{ do stuff1 }' '/pattern2/{ do stuff2 }'" 16:08:59 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: thanks, I will give it a try :) 16:09:48 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: if you can't "do stuff" in awk, use system(.) to execute shell commands ;) 16:10:59 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: planetmaker * r21741 /trunk/src/network/network_admin.cpp: -Fix (r21668): Some white space slipped past the commit hook 16:11:11 <planetmaker> ^ dihedral 16:11:37 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: in the simplest case, "awk /pattern/" does the same as "grep pattern" 16:11:42 <dihedral> thank you planetmaker :-) 16:11:52 <planetmaker> you're welcome 16:12:17 <Eddi|zuHause> possibly being "grep -E pattern" 16:12:38 <Eddi|zuHause> but i'm not sure about that 16:15:39 <dihedral> i'll be back later :-) 16:17:11 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 16:24:12 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 16:24:30 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4db0e22f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:24:54 <supermop> hello 16:25:21 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 16:28:41 <Alberth> SmatZ: http://www.fpaste.org/qdiD/ a sed script to find pat1 and pat2 lines 16:32:38 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:34:11 *** LordAro [56a75487@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 16:34:51 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 16:37:44 *** kamnet [4cb171cd@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 16:38:17 <kamnet> oops, trouble w/ tt-forums. :-( 16:38:55 <orudge> quite 16:38:56 <orudge> just sorting it out 16:41:02 <supermop> whats the trouble? 16:41:29 <ABCRic> seems ok now 16:41:33 <orudge> yes 16:41:34 <orudge> I just fixed it 16:41:35 <orudge> :p 16:41:54 <deepa> Woo! 16:41:55 <ABCRic> :) 16:42:23 <ABCRic> supermop: it said it was a syntax error :P 16:44:46 <SmatZ> Alberth: thanks :) 16:47:41 <supermop> i see 16:52:55 *** Netsplit charon.oftc.net <-> solenoid.oftc.net quits: +michi_cc, eQualizer, andythenorth, @planetmaker, Priski, neli, Ylioppilas, Kurimus, deepa, pugi, (+19 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 16:53:51 <DanMacK> ooooooh, Netsplit :D 16:57:41 *** Netsplit over, joins: Dreamxtreme, andythenorth, DayDreamer, fonsinchen, +glx, pugi, Chris_Booth, Kurimus, Cybertinus, deepa (+19 more) 16:57:43 *** mode/#openttd [+v planetmaker] by ChanServ 16:57:46 *** mode/#openttd [+o Terkhen] by ChanServ 16:58:34 <supermop> heh 16:58:56 *** fanioz [~fanioz@114.79.61.223] has joined #openttd 16:59:33 *** [Xed] [~Xed@host118-246-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:00:37 *** LordAro [56a75487@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 17:01:00 <LordAro> moin...again 17:02:20 <LordAro> anyone here got any idea what this guy is asking? http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=52246 17:02:46 <ABCRic> at least netsplits here a lot less frequent than in another server I've been... they'd happen at least twice a day 17:03:02 <supermop> maybe it is just a stement of fact 17:03:13 <supermop> statement 17:03:37 <ABCRic> Hmm... I'd guess he's searching for 32bpp stuff? 17:03:44 <supermop> he wants the world to know that he searches graphics 17:03:54 <supermop> likely he is looking for 32bpp grfs 17:04:15 <ABCRic> And, instead of using the search feature, is waiting for someone to direct him? 17:04:27 <ABCRic> you know, the usual. 17:04:32 <LordAro> perhaps someone like Kogut should talk to him? (both Polish) 17:07:34 <DJNekkid> what is the default value for Railtypes Action0 property11 ? The curve speed modifier 17:08:41 <ABCRic> wait, there's something wrong here... 17:09:12 <ABCRic> I stopped servicing an industry and the rating was at 3%, but now it's going up... 17:18:54 <frosch123> DJNekkid: 0 for normail rail/elrail, 1 for monorail, 2 for maglev 17:19:09 <DJNekkid> frosch123: oki, ty :D 17:22:57 *** LordAro [56a75487@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 17:25:29 *** [Xed] [~Xed@host118-246-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:31:47 *** LordAro [56a75487@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 17:34:24 *** Netsplit charon.oftc.net <-> kinetic.oftc.net quits: KingJ, hoax_, TrueBrain, dihedral, ABCRic, V453000, Progman, Wilberforce, Prof_Frink, rasco, (+15 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 17:36:56 *** Netsplit over, joins: ABCRic 17:38:13 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.0.107.57] has joined #openttd 17:38:13 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D4BD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:38:13 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e04acb2.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 17:38:13 *** welshdragon [~dragon@95.154.244.195] has joined #openttd 17:38:13 *** X-2 [~X-2@5ED662EB.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:38:13 *** heffer [~felix@hyperion.fetzig.org] has joined #openttd 17:38:13 *** avdg [~avdg@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 17:38:13 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 17:38:13 *** snorre [~snorre@c692BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 17:38:13 *** dihedral [~dih@znc.noaddedsugar.net] has joined #openttd 17:38:13 *** KingJ [~KingJ-OFT@95.154.197.17] has joined #openttd 17:38:13 *** Wilberforce [~wilberfor@83.170.81.66] has joined #openttd 17:38:13 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@4chan.fm] has joined #openttd 17:38:13 *** FloSoft [bouncer@www.siedler25.org] has joined #openttd 17:38:13 *** hoax_ [U2FsdGVkX1@dhcp-077-249-151-209.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 17:38:13 *** lolman [~lolman@188-220-249-105.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:38:13 *** reldred [aegir@creep.bur.st] has joined #openttd 17:38:13 *** ctibor [~quassel@77.48.228.43] has joined #openttd 17:38:13 *** TrueBrain [~patric@145.118.72.132] has joined #openttd 17:38:13 *** V453000 [~V453000@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 17:38:13 *** TinoDidriksen [~TinoDidri@alpha.visl.sdu.dk] has joined #openttd 17:38:13 *** rasco [rasco@tietos.com] has joined #openttd 17:38:13 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 17:38:13 *** Sionide [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has joined #openttd 17:38:59 <LordAro> is that what's known as a net-split? 17:39:37 <ABCRic> indeed 17:39:49 <LordAro> cool :D 17:39:55 <LordAro> why does it happen? 17:40:55 <ABCRic> two servers lose connection 17:41:03 <ABCRic> (to each other) 17:41:26 <ABCRic> breaks part of the network structure 17:41:37 <LordAro> i see 17:42:07 <ABCRic> refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit for a more detailed description :) 17:42:13 *** Muddy [muddy@playing.OpenTTD.no] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 17:42:18 *** perk111 [~perk11@46.159.163.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:42:26 *** Muddy [muddy@playing.OpenTTD.no] has joined #openttd 17:44:11 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:45:14 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 17:59:54 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 18:00:29 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:00:32 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 18:10:31 * LordAro wonders which is the better forever loop - for(;;) or while(true) .... 18:12:31 <ABCRic> iirc for(;;) is the most used 18:13:32 <andythenorth> while(true) is easier to deadlock in my experience (of employing developers) 18:14:10 <Eddi|zuHause> while (true) looks semantically cleaner to make obvious what it's doing... 18:14:17 <LordAro> for(;; ) is the one most used in my special c++ book (that alberth knows about ;) ), but (and i know it's a different language) the noai example on the wiki uses while(true) 18:15:24 <Eddi|zuHause> while(true) will be easier to explain to people who have very little coding experience 18:15:34 <Eddi|zuHause> and it will be available in more languanges 18:16:01 <andythenorth> I never grokked while() 18:16:05 <andythenorth> I always use for 18:16:30 <andythenorth> but I learnt it in BBC basic when I was about 9, so that influences things 18:16:44 <Wolf01> I can't use for (;;) in vbasic, so I go for while ;) 18:16:53 <Eddi|zuHause> you can't express "for(;;)" in python-syntax, but "while(true)" can be trivially ported 18:17:13 <LordAro> while(true) { Eddi = true; } 18:17:15 <LordAro> :D 18:17:29 <Eddi|zuHause> and there are many more languages like that 18:17:53 <Eddi|zuHause> for example in pascal, for-loops are guaranteed to terminate 18:17:56 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: ach 18:18:04 <andythenorth> the python for is better, so... 18:18:24 <andythenorth> it was 'for i in xyz' that persuaded me to python 18:18:59 <andythenorth> in EMCA-script type languages, you'd dick about with getting a list of objects, getting the length, doing for i = index, i <= length, i++ 18:19:02 <andythenorth> etc 18:19:02 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: this is about the special case of a loop that will not end on a certain condition [but rather either by powerdown or a break-statement] 18:19:23 <andythenorth> normally, in my world, those are very bad 18:19:33 <andythenorth> they tend to freeze browsers :P 18:19:53 <andythenorth> although if it's a control loop for a flash game, or a progress bar it's valid 18:20:19 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: typical usage for these loops is interactive GUIs. they look like "while(world has not ended yet) { get next event; process event }" 18:20:36 <andythenorth> hmm 18:20:44 <andythenorth> I must have been writing them wrong all these years :P 18:21:16 <andythenorth> in the places I write code, it's quite high level - attach event handlers to objects 18:21:24 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: and in the case of NoAIs, they die/go bankrupt when the loop ends 18:21:25 <andythenorth> handle callbacks when routines complete 18:21:35 <andythenorth> ok, that would make complete sense 18:21:53 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: yes, they have also those loops, but you don't usually need to see them 18:22:15 <andythenorth> yup 18:22:23 <Eddi|zuHause> because the structure of the loop is always the same. there's nothing interesting to change there 18:22:28 <SpComb> for _ in itertools.repeat(0) : ... 18:23:12 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: that does a lot more than "for (;;)" 18:23:16 <andythenorth> hmm 18:23:43 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: you don't know what sideeffects "itertools.repeat" may have 18:24:27 <SpComb> yeah, it isn't semantically the same 18:24:31 <supermop> whoa there was another one 18:24:31 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: maybe you can help? http://pastebin.com/3Dsk2wzT 18:24:41 <SpComb> but curiously, I'm fairly sure itertools.repeat is implemented as a while loop :) 18:24:46 <SpComb> although it's actually in C 18:24:49 <SpComb> so perhaps not 18:27:04 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: as far as i can see, m4 has 8 free bits currently 18:27:11 <andythenorth> yup 18:27:31 <andythenorth> do bits have to be stored adjacent locations? 18:27:37 <andythenorth> for each property? 18:36:38 <Hirundo> andythenorth: what do you want to store? 18:36:54 *** [Xed] [~Xed@host118-246-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:37:09 <andythenorth> Hirundo: this: http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20J/slides/James%20Rowan-02.html 18:37:12 <andythenorth> oops 18:37:18 <andythenorth> that's never going to fit in the map array :D 18:37:23 <Hirundo> :P 18:37:26 <andythenorth> Hirundo: this: http://pastebin.com/3Dsk2wzT 18:37:43 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: no, does not have to be adjacent 18:38:25 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: the map accessors, something like "GetSecondRoadtypeOwner", will take care of the bitstuffing 18:38:37 <andythenorth> so are there any rules / heuristics / idiocies about what to put where? 18:39:55 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: everything except the two roadtype IDs should already be stored 18:40:05 <Alberth> LordAro: in C++; for (i=0; i<10; i++) { ... } is just a short hand for i=0; while (i<10) { ... ; i++ } so it does not matter much :) 18:40:12 <andythenorth> and 1 bit is missing for the owner of roadtype 1 18:40:28 *** [Xed] [~Xed@host118-246-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:40:59 <Hirundo> the math (13 + 8 = 18?) doesn't seem to add up 18:41:02 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: you sure that is needed? 18:41:09 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:41:18 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: no, I'm sure of almost nothing about map bits :) 18:41:24 <andythenorth> this is why I ask 18:41:41 <andythenorth> ideally someone else might find this an interesting problem and join in 18:41:42 <andythenorth> ! 18:42:02 <andythenorth> I reckon I can write the drawing code, and probably a lot of the construction / removal / cost code 18:42:11 <Hirundo> If we assume, towns will never build anything but road, the 8 bits provided by m4 are fine to sore the two IDs 18:42:27 <andythenorth> I don't know if we can assume that? 18:42:40 <andythenorth> (I reckon I can't write much the map / newgrf interface code) 18:42:59 *** kamnet [4cb171cd@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 18:43:01 <Eddi|zuHause> Hirundo: i wouldn't assume that. but assume towns can build more than one road type, in what situation does the town need two road types on the tile, instead of replacing the roadtype? 18:43:24 <Eddi|zuHause> if town can only ever have one roadtype on the tile, one can make sure that it's always swapped to be the first 18:43:40 <andythenorth> who knows what towns might do in future? 18:43:41 <ABCRic> why would towns build other road-types besides basic road? 18:43:58 <Hirundo> Else we might as well shuffle some stuff around to use the other free bits 18:44:06 <andythenorth> in a sane world, they would build something *compatible* with basic ROAD 18:44:13 <andythenorth> but it might be dirt road or something else 18:44:23 <andythenorth> or - Pikka's suggestion - 'canal roads' 18:44:31 <andythenorth> which would be Venice :P 18:44:35 <Eddi|zuHause> ABCRic: dirt road [early], cobblestone road [industrial], asphalt road [modern] 18:44:41 <ABCRic> ooh, sounds cool 18:44:46 <ABCRic> make it so :) 18:45:18 <Hirundo> e.g. move the road works counter to m4 and use m7 bits 4..0 for the 2nd road owner 18:45:24 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r21742 /trunk/src/lang/ (german.txt swedish.txt): 18:45:24 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:24 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: german - 2 changes by planetmaker 18:45:24 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: swedish - 3 changes by Ledel 18:45:25 <Alberth> but towns are always one tile level above sea 18:45:42 <ABCRic> Alberth: who knows, that might change :) 18:46:08 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: if you move around bits, you must handle loading old savegames in afterloadgame 18:46:11 <Hirundo> hmm... you could write a patch to swap tram owner and road works counter already, to remove the OWNER_TOWN hack 18:46:56 <andythenorth> Hirundo: does that need savegame handling? 18:46:59 <Hirundo> yes 18:47:12 <Hirundo> a good exercise for the stuff to come, I'd reckon :) 18:48:18 <Eddi|zuHause> it's practially _only_ savegame handling. the swapping around in the map accessors is trivial :) 18:48:27 <andythenorth> what has to be done 18:48:29 <andythenorth> ? 18:48:45 <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/roadtypes 18:48:52 <andythenorth> (empty) 18:49:01 <andythenorth> but it's somewhere to commit to... 18:51:21 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: in road_map.h (or similar) you have lines like "return GB(_m4,0,4)", which define the bits used in the map array which need shuffling around, and in afterloadgame you check for the savegame version in your new version bump, and have to read the old bits and store them at the new location. there should be examples of that happening already 18:54:59 * andythenorth explores 18:56:30 <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=923689#p923689 <-- I just could stop myself to add that such arrogant attitude, that if something isn't understood, it's wrong and it sucks, sucks too ;-) 18:57:10 <andythenorth> it does suck though :P 18:57:19 <planetmaker> andythenorth: I'd first clone a clean openttd into the repo. Then start to modify it ;-) 18:57:30 <andythenorth> ok 18:57:54 <planetmaker> or possibly merge, if the repo already exists 18:57:57 <planetmaker> merge cross-repo 18:58:07 <planetmaker> rather pull cross-repo 18:58:10 <andythenorth> I have a local repo, but not much useful in it 18:58:15 <planetmaker> hg pull where-openttd-trunk-is 18:58:22 <planetmaker> in your road types repo 18:58:26 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:00:03 <andythenorth> planetmaker: in redmine, what should Root directory be in repository settings? 19:00:09 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 19:01:30 *** fjb is now known as Guest3745 19:01:31 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFF83A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:07:16 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has joined #openttd 19:08:02 *** staN [~Miranda@p4FD8363D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:08:44 *** Guest3745 [~frank@p5DDFF625.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:10:17 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has quit [] 19:14:20 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has joined #openttd 19:15:43 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has joined #openttd 19:17:17 *** ZirconiumX [561b9bc6@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 19:17:28 <ZirconiumX> hello 19:17:45 <ZirconiumX> mibbit's acting wierd today 19:19:48 <ABCRic> ZirconiumX: use a non-web client ;) 19:20:07 <ZirconiumX> I won't if my life depends on it 19:20:17 <ZirconiumX> for one reason 19:20:19 <deepa> At least use something other than Mibbit then 19:20:39 <Xaroth> what reason might that be? 19:20:52 <ZirconiumX> I got hijacked, and the virus got to port 1023 OPEN before giving up 19:21:09 <ZirconiumX> I can't go with a security hole as big as that 19:21:27 <Xaroth> then you fail at securing your own machine? 19:22:05 <deepa> or his router blows 19:22:14 <Xaroth> or that 19:22:17 <ABCRic> ZirconiumX: use a decent non-web client, then 19:22:20 <ZirconiumX> I don't have a pc, I use a mac , which is somewhat safer, and there are no viruses and a few trojans 19:22:28 <Xaroth> hah, no viruses 19:22:31 <ZirconiumX> ChatZilla was the one I used 19:22:33 <Xaroth> ignorance is bliss 19:22:43 <deepa> ZirconiumX: would you tell us more about this virus that hijacked you? 19:22:45 <andythenorth> ZirconiumX: there are mac viruses 19:22:52 <Xaroth> ZirconiumX: use irssi. 19:23:07 <planetmaker> ZirconiumX: and why don't you continue to use it? 19:23:12 <ABCRic> ZirconiumX: I'm using ChatZilla 19:23:27 <planetmaker> guess what client I use right now? 19:23:35 <ZirconiumX> I'd love to, but I couldn't tell you more, but a) I don't know any more and b) I feel safer using mibbit 19:23:41 <ZirconiumX> ChatZilla 19:23:50 <Xaroth> according to CTCP, 'is present' :P 19:24:03 <planetmaker> be sure that it's not safer ;-) 19:24:04 <deepa> Did nobody see this? 19:24:05 <deepa> 19:21 < ZirconiumX> I got hijacked, and the virus <snip> 19:24:05 <deepa> 19:22 < ZirconiumX> I don't have a pc, I use a mac , which is somewhat safer, and there are no viruses and a few trojans 19:24:15 <Xaroth> yes, I did 19:24:28 <deepa> I'm just overreacting then 19:24:50 <Xaroth> ZirconiumX: seeing you're using a mac: http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/1266211/6a4136c2/don_t_steal_a_hackers_computer.html 19:24:55 <ZirconiumX> the problem is with irc, we're all servers which information can be sent 19:25:03 <Xaroth> .... 19:25:03 <planetmaker> deepa: how many % of the computers online do you think are back-doored and trojaned? 19:25:05 <ABCRic> deepa: snip? 19:25:06 <Xaroth> ignorance is bliss 19:25:27 <planetmaker> ZirconiumX: use ircs ;-) 19:25:39 <Xaroth> [ZirconiumX]: the problem is with irc, we're all servers which information can be sent << technically your client is not a 'server' . 19:25:49 <Xaroth> as it -shouldn't- allow connections until you tell it to :P 19:26:39 <deepa> ABCRic: I TOOK OUT THE IRRELEVANT PART 19:26:45 <deepa> oh sorry, 19:26:55 <ZirconiumX> I do prefer mibbit, because of the customisations, amongst other things 19:27:01 <deepa> my terminal got something so irssi's layout screwed up, didn't see caps-lock 19:27:57 <deepa> planetmaker: you don't see the hilarity in saying "I got a virus" and thenn a minute saying "there are no viruses for my system"? 19:29:20 <ZirconiumX> You can keep quiet and make some people think your stupid, or you can speak out and remove all doubt <---- the former is currently what I'm doing 19:29:47 <ZirconiumX> now 19:30:40 <Xaroth> You claiming there are no viruses for the mac already did that 19:30:44 <ZirconiumX> meh still Please wait... 19:31:06 <ZirconiumX> the hilarity has been and gone 19:31:22 <Xaroth> wait a minute 19:31:24 <Xaroth> hannnng on 19:31:27 <Xaroth> you were using a mac, right 19:31:32 <Xaroth> on bsd, as with linux 19:31:39 <Xaroth> non-root-users aren't allowed to open ports <1024 19:31:47 <Xaroth> ... so you were using irc.. as root 19:31:49 <Xaroth> .... 19:32:42 <ZirconiumX> this means that I control my system the others control there's 19:32:59 <dihedral> @logs 19:32:59 <DorpsGek> dihedral: http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/openttd 19:33:11 <ZirconiumX> also there is only one superuser, which is the correct term for root 19:33:25 <ZirconiumX> 'Don't make a hash of it...' 19:33:30 <Xaroth> ... 19:33:40 <Xaroth> root IS the superuser 19:34:18 <ZirconiumX> 19:31 ZirconiumX also there is only one superuser, which is the correct term for root <--- which is the correct term 19:34:49 <ZirconiumX> root is the same as superuser, just AFAIK everyone calls it superuser, all the geeks anyway 19:35:20 <ZirconiumX> on a completely unrelated note, what shell do you use? 19:35:40 * ZirconiumX wishes that fish would work with Darwin, or libiconv would 19:36:15 <Xaroth> no, root is not the same as superuser 19:36:22 <Xaroth> as on other os', it is named differently 19:36:53 <Xaroth> on windows, for example, there's a default 'Administrator' which is the superuser, but you can make any user a superuser 19:37:04 <dihedral> ZirconiumX, no "geek" calles it that 19:37:09 <Xaroth> on novell it's either supervisor and/or 'admin' 19:37:15 <ZirconiumX> hmmm, Windows is DOS based though 19:37:25 <dihedral> ? 19:37:26 <Xaroth> what rock have you been under? 19:37:34 <ZirconiumX> quite a few 19:37:44 <dihedral> must have hit you right on the head ^^ 19:37:59 <Xaroth> windows isn't 'dos-based' anymore since NT or so 19:38:11 <dihedral> Dear Sir/Madam, Windows is the name of a number of operating systems 19:38:13 <Rubidium> it's still (mostly) bug-for-bug compatible with DOS 19:38:21 <andythenorth> always useful, an OS argument :P 19:38:24 <Xaroth> true that 19:38:25 <andythenorth> can we code something? 19:38:28 <andythenorth> or write a spec? 19:38:32 <andythenorth> or something 19:38:42 <Xaroth> andythenorth: write me a newgrf packet for teh admin port 19:38:45 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has joined #openttd 19:38:52 <Rubidium> yay for the decision to use / for command line parameters in DOS back when it did not have paths 19:39:05 <dihedral> :-D 19:39:22 <dihedral> you really think that would have made a difference if it had not been the case?# 19:39:47 <Rubidium> it would have made the life of a lot of people much easier 19:40:08 <Rubidium> if they would use / for paths as well 19:40:25 <dihedral> i just doubt they would have done that :-P 19:40:52 <Rubidium> they've done loads of things to stay backward compatible 19:40:52 *** HalfBit [~hb@201-42-208-67.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #openttd 19:40:55 *** [Xed] [~Xed@host118-246-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~] 19:41:04 <Xaroth> funny how this conversation goes from 'viruses on macs' to 'irc as root' to 'windows and/or dos' to path usage in dos 19:41:08 <Xaroth> in.. well.. minutes 19:41:21 <Rubidium> e.g. a special mode for the memory allocator so some old applications that read/write memory after freeing it still work 19:41:39 <planetmaker> Xaroth: biological viruses can do that, too. It's called evolution and mutation there :-P 19:41:46 <ZirconiumX> heh 19:41:47 <dihedral> Xaroth, that is because those who started the discussion of have nothing valuable to contribute :-P 19:41:48 <planetmaker> bad analogy? Maybe :-P 19:41:56 <Xaroth> planetmaker: for that we invented the darwin awards 19:42:02 <Xaroth> mutations during our evolution. 19:42:08 <planetmaker> uh? 19:42:09 <planetmaker> no 19:42:27 <planetmaker> darwin awards are for those who get themselves out of the gene pool in a creative way 19:42:40 <planetmaker> not for mutating. Your a mutant as well as I 19:42:49 <planetmaker> *You're 19:43:40 <ZirconiumX> I thought the darwin award was for dieing/doing the stupidest action possible, thus improving the spieces *AHEM* 19:43:58 <Xaroth> http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2009-18.html 19:44:02 <ZirconiumX> *species 19:44:46 <glx> <@Rubidium> e.g. a special mode for the memory allocator so some old applications that read/write memory after freeing it still work <-- the simcity special handling ? 19:45:10 <Rubidium> yeah, something like that 19:47:00 *** mitt [a@78-58-78-247.static.zebra.lt] has joined #openttd 19:47:28 * mitt http://imagetwist.com/kiarj56d34t0/P1010224.JPG.html 19:47:47 *** mitt [a@78-58-78-247.static.zebra.lt] has quit [] 19:48:13 <planetmaker> "New Chewing Gum Flavor: Explosive" <-- I like that :-P 19:48:44 <ZirconiumX> Chin up, old chap, by gum 19:50:01 <ZirconiumX> windows isn't 'dos-based' anymore since NT or so <---- wikipedia disagrees, All Windows NT 32-bit versions ship with files from DOS 5.0 19:50:21 <ZirconiumX> Version 8.0 (WinXP) - DOS boot disks created by XP and later contain files from WinME. The internal DOS is still 5.0 19:50:56 <Xaroth> ... 19:51:14 <glx> command.com disapeared with XP 19:51:21 <Xaroth> there's a BIG difference between being based on something, and shipping stuff with it for compatibility reasons 19:51:31 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76222.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:54:11 <Alberth> planetmaker: I am quite sure your average explosive tastes horrible 19:54:31 <planetmaker> :-) 19:54:33 *** inji [~inji@217-209-1-220-no145.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:55:00 * ZirconiumX chew on the explosive flavour chewing gum and turns bright yellow 19:56:47 <Xaroth> also, this one was a small hit on youtube, but got him a DA as well: http://darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2010-08.html 19:57:29 <Chris_Booth> evening all 19:58:38 *** inji [~inji@217-209-1-220-no145.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 20:00:34 *** ZirconiumX [561b9bc6@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 20:51:46 *** [Xed] [~Xed@93.37.124.178] has joined #openttd 20:57:47 *** Adambean [AdamR@88.97.144.82] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 21:06:54 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e04acb2.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:22:43 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:25:49 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-160.dslextreme.com] has joined #openttd 21:27:33 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [] 21:30:59 <dihedral> orudge, the theme changed again? 21:31:37 <Rubidium> dihedral: yes, the snow melted already 21:31:42 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 21:31:51 <dihedral> Rubidium, depends where you are :-P 21:32:32 <Rubidium> dihedral: I doubt the forum's theme is location/weather aware 21:32:43 <dihedral> ^^ 21:32:46 <glx> 10°C and rain here 21:32:48 <dihedral> could be interesting :-D 21:32:50 <Rubidium> as the forum theme doesn't feature snow anymore, it must've melted 21:33:04 <dihedral> pfft 21:33:09 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has joined #openttd 21:39:22 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 21:44:39 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@2.124.175.116] has joined #openttd 21:47:00 *** JOHN-SHEPARD [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-118-58.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 21:47:07 <JOHN-SHEPARD> hey 21:47:17 <JOHN-SHEPARD> are there games up 21:48:44 <Rubidium> only a mere 227 21:51:11 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76222.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:54:06 <andythenorth> should livery refitting be different from cargo refit? 21:54:19 <andythenorth> there was some talk about this recently somewhere 21:54:54 <frosch123> yes, but it was not very confincing 21:54:58 <frosch123> *v 21:58:08 <andythenorth> hmm 21:58:24 <andythenorth> cargo subtypes are not very convincing either 21:58:34 <andythenorth> more....annoying :) 21:58:43 <andythenorth> maybe that's my fault - too many cargos :P 22:01:38 <dihedral> Wolf01, line 74 of the last patch in your thread: would it not make sense if the setting was stored in the savegame, so that it remains constant thoughout the course of the game? 22:04:08 <Wolf01> in any case you should increment _fake_date every 1,2,3,4,6 or 12 days 22:08:23 <dihedral> but could it not have an odd effect on the game if you mangle with that setting in the middle of the game? 22:08:29 <dihedral> or does it not? 22:08:34 <Wolf01> it shouldn't 22:09:07 <Wolf01> maybe between savegames 22:09:11 <dihedral> either way - it's a very small patch for what it does :-) 22:10:11 <Wolf01> I should save the fake date between savegames, because every time restarts from the real date 22:10:19 <dihedral> the daily loop routine, does that then get executed multiple times per day? 22:10:32 <dihedral> Wolf01, yes, that would be good 22:11:12 <dihedral> do not forget that ai's will also need the fake date 22:11:20 <Wolf01> in that routine there is _date_fract which is increased mutiple times a day, it might be used for hours 22:12:20 <dihedral> also, the admin network will like to know of the fake date 22:12:30 <dihedral> and there is a daily loop in the network code 22:15:20 <Wolf01> I'll give it a look 22:17:46 <andythenorth> good night 22:17:47 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 22:21:25 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:26:25 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 22:33:36 <Wolf01> 'night 22:33:42 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host130-236-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:54:06 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:54:53 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba8056.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:59:23 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-84-42-201-180.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:01:21 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [] 23:01:44 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:10:06 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:16:26 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-84-42-201-180.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 23:22:22 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC4963.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 23:25:17 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4db0e22f.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:31:25 *** staN [~Miranda@p4FD8363D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:35:52 <ABCRic> good night 23:35:58 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@100.230.189.46.rev.vodafone.pt] has left #openttd [] 23:42:12 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA0FE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 23:43:33 *** [Xed] [~Xed@93.37.124.178] has quit [Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~] 23:45:39 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff17c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]