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00:00:30 <Wolf01> 'night 00:00:33 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host41-233-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 00:09:54 *** LordAro [~kvirc@host86-137-15-15.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:26:30 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C5A2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:57:43 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [] 01:07:40 *** Xaroth_ [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 01:12:40 *** Xaroth__ [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 01:13:51 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:15:49 *** Xaroth_ [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:17:41 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 01:20:59 *** Xaroth__ [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:22:42 *** Xaroth_ [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 01:27:41 *** Xaroth__ [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 01:27:58 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:29:50 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 01:30:49 *** Xaroth_ [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:32:14 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC3051.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 01:34:26 *** Pikka [~Figgy@d58-111-83-60.rdl800.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 01:34:51 <Pikka> hardly 01:35:56 *** Markavian [~Markavian@66.100-50-210.dynamic.dsl.syd.iprimus.net.au] has joined #openttd 01:37:45 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 02:24:35 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:26:11 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-205-252.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 02:32:09 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@dslb-094-220-140-086.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:09:58 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:8dda:55b5:4aaa:1b3c] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:46:23 *** zodttd [~me@user-0c90n0l.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:46:35 *** zodttd [~me@user-0c90n0l.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #openttd 04:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75756.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:56:22 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77159.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:07:24 *** Dennis_ [~Dennis@CPE0004e2c3dba4-CM00080dfa1a47.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 05:08:12 *** Dennis_ [~Dennis@CPE0004e2c3dba4-CM00080dfa1a47.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [] 05:44:47 *** Pikka [~Figgy@d58-111-83-60.rdl800.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 05:45:26 *** andythenorth [~andy@46.208.69.103] has joined #openttd 05:45:30 *** Pikka [~Figgy@d58-111-83-60.rdl800.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:57:46 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 06:06:24 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:08:37 *** X-2 [~X-2@5ED662EB.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: pzzzzzzzzzzz] 06:08:55 *** X-2 [~X-2@5ED662EB.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 06:17:40 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6D425.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 06:22:55 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 06:23:46 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6C5DF.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:24:19 *** TWerkhoven [~turbulent@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 06:42:56 *** andythenorth [~andy@46.208.69.103] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 06:44:05 <Pikka> how ridiculous 06:44:50 <Lachie> VERY RIDACULAS 06:45:48 <peter1138> No, you. 06:47:29 <Lachie> :( 06:51:32 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 06:57:14 <Pikka> that's told him 06:57:53 *** Chrill [Chrill@ip68-8-120-178.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 06:59:54 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-220-130.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 07:08:43 *** andythenorth [~andy@46.208.69.103] has joined #openttd 07:09:42 *** andythenorth [~andy@46.208.69.103] has quit [] 07:11:41 *** andythenorth [~andy@46.208.69.103] has joined #openttd 07:48:33 <Terkhen> good morning 07:48:38 <Mazur> Good 07:48:42 <andythenorth> hi Terkhen 07:51:29 <planetmaker> moin Terkhen 07:52:14 * Mazur feels totally overlooked and goes into hiding in #Openttdcoop 07:53:21 <planetmaker> :-D hello Mazur 07:53:37 <Mazur> :-) 07:55:01 <V453000> come, those bastards arent worthy your attention ;) morning pm nad Terkhen 07:55:32 <planetmaker> salut V 07:55:34 <Mazur> k, V. 07:55:38 <V453000> :P 07:56:03 <planetmaker> some people just can't show affection really well, eh? ;-) 07:56:38 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 07:57:44 *** MMavipc [~crapmail@ip72-197-227-147.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 07:58:36 *** MMavipc is now known as MMavipc|AFK 08:02:37 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba9a53.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 08:02:50 *** Wolfsherz [~Wolfsherz@p57A6F7B2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:08:24 *** andythenorth [~andy@46.208.69.103] has left #openttd [] 08:38:50 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:40:02 <yorick> moin all 08:44:34 *** Chrill [Chrill@ip68-8-120-178.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [] 08:46:46 <Terkhen> hi yorick 08:52:40 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host41-233-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 08:52:52 <Wolf01> 'morning 08:56:01 <Pikka> gutennacht 08:56:56 <Pikka> geblungen mitterenglacht cor blimey 08:57:13 <planetmaker> gute Nacht, Pikka 08:57:24 <Pikka> good evening planetmaker 08:57:31 <Pikka> and gentlemen 08:58:57 <planetmaker> and of course good morning yorick and Wolf 08:59:03 <planetmaker> 01 :S 08:59:17 <planetmaker> nasty tab completion ;-) 09:01:22 <planetmaker> hm... where do I look: by which means do I implement custom foundations for an object? 09:02:18 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-013-114.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 09:02:27 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AB4C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:03:08 <planetmaker> hm... or not at all? 09:03:55 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-81-33.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:06:38 *** X-2 [~X-2@5ED662EB.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: pzzzzzzzzzzz] 09:06:54 *** X-2 [~X-2@5ED662EB.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 09:07:23 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:10:57 *** Bjarte_ [bjarte@playing.OpenTTD.no] has joined #openttd 09:12:41 *** Bjarte [bjarte@playing.OpenTTD.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:12:41 *** Bjarte_ is now known as Bjarte 09:19:21 <Pikka> planetmaker, needs http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Callbacks#Decide_drawing_default_foundations_30_14E_150_ for objects 09:19:42 <planetmaker> hm 09:19:48 <planetmaker> so not. Sad thing :-) 09:22:20 <planetmaker> sounds also quite lengthy, Pikka, if one wants to do that for all possible slopes / foundations 09:23:12 <Pikka> no more lengthy than doing it any other way, I shouldn't think 09:23:35 <planetmaker> if I read it correctly, it should need a separate layout for each slope, right? 09:24:22 <Pikka> a seperate sprite, yes, but you'd need that anyway wouldn't you? 09:24:42 <planetmaker> as you'd need a different foundation for each. And you'd need to do the same thing again, if you want it for a 2nd house / *tile 09:25:25 <planetmaker> lengthy as in: the true object stays the same, only the foundations which the programme usually should know how to draw / select need to be newgrf-decided. 09:25:32 <Pikka> yes 09:25:43 <Pikka> but it's just a straightforward var2 testing var 41 09:26:03 <Pikka> and once you've done it for one tile/object, just copy and paste for the rest :) 09:26:05 <planetmaker> so another case for http://wiki.openttd.org/Frosch/Extended_Sprite_Layout 09:26:14 <planetmaker> sure it is. but always 16(?) cases 09:26:54 <Pikka> well, that's what you get for wanting custom sprites :P 09:27:02 <planetmaker> :-P 09:27:08 <Pikka> you could always disable the building from appearing on slopes you couldn't be bothered drawing 09:27:09 <planetmaker> fair enough, I guess 09:27:36 <planetmaker> but it's a needless and tiresome restriction. 09:27:49 <planetmaker> because you either want no slope or all slopes, if you want foundations 09:28:08 <Pikka> I suppose so 09:28:51 <Pikka> I've done some houses before which actually built on the slope rather than using a foundation to be level :) so they obviously were restricted to certain slopes, or used very different graphics for different slopes. 09:29:22 <planetmaker> of course :-) For those kinds of advanced adjustment it makes sense, very much so 09:29:38 <Pikka> if you just want /foundations/, then why use custom ones? wouldn't they look out of place, generally? 09:29:39 <planetmaker> or for these things like george's animals on the meadows 09:30:20 <planetmaker> they might look out-of place. Or those are the sub-terrain windows which need to show there ;-) 09:32:28 <Pikka> o 09:32:53 <Pikka> well 09:33:10 <Pikka> it's all academic anyway until someone enables the callback for objects :P 09:33:17 <planetmaker> ;-) quite so 09:33:38 <Pikka> if only we knew some openttd devs 09:33:57 <planetmaker> yeah, they're really really scarce 09:34:11 <Pikka> and I guess they're all too busy working on newgrfairports :D 09:34:17 <planetmaker> :-P 09:34:56 <planetmaker> but I heart, they also accept patches :P 09:35:12 <Pikka> it's a theory 09:36:39 <planetmaker> a daring one. I know ;-) 09:37:13 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe1b8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 09:41:18 <planetmaker> quak (speaking of which ;-) ) 09:41:59 <planetmaker> Pikka: you can already define rotated airports - and give them a different look, if you liked. Just the layout would need to stay 09:42:13 <planetmaker> layout as in meaning of tiles 09:42:17 <Pikka> yes, I know :) 09:42:23 <xQR> any idea what the admin interface is trying to tell me when it sends me a 0x00 and a 0x02? that's just 2 bytes and the header for every packet would already need 3 09:42:26 *** TWerkhoven [~turbulent@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:42:35 <frosch123> moin 09:42:41 <xQR> that happens right after i received an ADMIN_PACKET_SERVER_COMPANY_REMOVE 09:42:43 <Pikka> bonjour herr frosch123 09:43:09 <Terkhen> hi frosch123 09:43:35 <planetmaker> good that you know :-) I was always hoping somewhat that you'd make use of that ;-) 09:44:11 <frosch123> howdy señor pikka 09:44:33 <frosch123> hello terkhen :) 09:44:51 <Pikka> I'm waiting til I can make proper airports tbh, just "reskinning" the default layouts isn't much fun 09:45:04 <planetmaker> I thought so :-) 09:46:23 *** LordAro [~kvirc@host86-137-189-236.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:46:36 <LordAro> moin 09:48:13 <Terkhen> hi LordAro 09:48:57 <LordAro> hi Terkhen 09:49:01 <Pikka> gloin 09:53:02 * Hendikins grumbles about train drivers who believe in "sit down, shut up, hang on" 09:54:10 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.8.64.30] has joined #openttd 09:54:25 <Hendikins> Taking a break from ottd to do my paid job of playing with real trains. 10:03:44 <Pikka> :D sounds like my kind of driving 10:04:36 <Hendikins> It isn't mine when I'm in the 5th position cab trying to do my job! 10:05:01 <Pikka> and what is your job? 10:05:19 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC3051.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:05:20 <Hendikins> Suburban train guard. 10:05:28 <Pikka> fun :) 10:05:36 <Hendikins> The driver drives, I do all the other stuff (but not revenue or security) 10:08:49 <Hendikins> You've still goy guards in Brisbane too, although I'm in Sydney 10:10:02 <Hendikins> er, got 10:11:27 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe35dc00-187.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:15:46 <Pikka> I'm sure we do 10:16:35 <LordAro> lol: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=54122 10:17:54 <planetmaker> Pikka: warning for whom? IMHO only Leanden deserves one. 10:18:04 <Pikka> well, I considered warning leanden too :P 10:18:06 <Pikka> but for the OP 10:18:27 <planetmaker> well. The OP didn't flame a _person_ 10:18:54 <Pikka> true, he's just a git 10:19:13 <Pikka> oddly he's been around for ages but only posts every two years 10:20:52 <Pikka> Hendikins: I drive and do all the other stuff including revenue and security, and I don't even have any tracks telling me where to go! 10:21:14 <Hendikins> The tracks don't tell me where to go, the signals do. 10:21:35 <Pikka> the tracks do tell you where to go, the signals just tell you when :P 10:21:50 <Pikka> I would have thought? 10:22:04 <Hendikins> Not with a route based signalling system. 10:22:53 <Hendikins> With a route based system the signals are telling me how far ahead the line is clear, and what route[s] will be taken. 10:23:05 <Pikka> yes 10:23:29 <Hendikins> So I'm not looking at the tracks or points, I'm looking at the signals for that information. 10:23:50 <Hendikins> Whereas with a speed based system, that information is provided by methods other than the signalling system. 10:24:59 * Hendikins is qualified in systems of safeworking used in NSW. 10:26:27 <Pikka> I can tell! :D 10:26:52 <Pikka> I've not been to NSW often, but it's seemed to me that there's a mishmash of signal types used down there 10:27:06 <Hendikins> Actually... there isn't. 10:27:20 <Pikka> whereas up here it's all BR-style 3/4 aspect 10:27:37 <Hendikins> Our signals fall in to three broad categories - single light colour light, double light colour light, shunting signals. 10:28:35 <Hendikins> Double light colour light just allows more aspects to be displayed in higher traffic density areas (primarily the Sydney Metropolitan Area). It is derived from single light colour light. 10:29:35 <Hendikins> How would you determine if a signal was an automatic up there? 10:30:33 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:31:01 * Hendikins idly wonders if zig zags would be usable in ottd, will have to try some time 10:38:04 *** Wolfsherz [~Wolfsherz@p57A6F7B2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:38:23 <LordAro> quick q: with the base road vehicles, is it 'Uhl' or 'UHL' ? 10:39:15 *** TWerkhoven [~turbulent@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 10:39:46 <Hendikins> Pikka: I wonder how OTTD would run with the equivalent of NSW safeworking in high density areas. Nominally 2 signals between trains, and a low speed indication if it is reduced to 1. 10:42:34 <planetmaker> My guess is: it would not run much different 10:42:38 <Hendikins> With normal signal spacing it could reduce the amount of stop/start somewhat (which is the reason for it being implemented) 10:43:22 <Hendikins> I can't be stuffed learning how to write it and I don't expect anyone else to. More a theory question 10:43:27 <planetmaker> but ^^ might be the result, slightly less stopping and restarting 10:46:53 <Hendikins> The NSW low speed indication is 25km/h where fitted. 10:51:02 <Pikka> a "yellow" aspect has long been on many peoples' wishlist 10:51:33 <planetmaker> there's a meanwhile outdated patch by michi which implements advance reservation 10:51:51 <planetmaker> and another signal type which allows conditional reservation beyond the next signal 10:52:06 <planetmaker> but... it's like 2 years old now and probably won't apply to trunk anymore 10:52:32 <planetmaker> http://www.icosahedron.de/openttd/patches/ <-- advance_*.* 10:53:10 <Hendikins> Pikka: This isn't a yellow per se. This is more restrictive than a yellow (at least here, yellow aspects don't involve speed restriction) 10:53:29 <Pikka> well, no 10:53:37 <Pikka> but in the OTTD world they would 10:53:55 <Hendikins> At the same time though, I do understand that OTTD is not a signalling system simulation. 10:55:19 <planetmaker> there are some changes which probably could be implemented, but still not easy (nothing with signals and path finders is): changing penalties for moving trains on possible paths and speed restrictions and corresponding penalties when the next signal block is not free. 10:55:40 <planetmaker> which w/could mean some kind of speed limiting signals in a way 10:56:21 <planetmaker> But as small as it sounds here, I have the feeling it's a big project code-wise. 10:56:31 <planetmaker> And prone to many many subtle errors and nasty border-cases 10:57:49 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba9a53.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:58:24 <Hendikins> It is entirely likely that I overthink this because of having some knowledge of safeworking. 11:07:42 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-177-176.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 11:11:51 * LordAro explores michi-cc's server :) 11:12:39 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-172-101.w86-209.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 11:13:24 <Eddi|zuHause> most important imho would be a separate pathfinder penalty for a broken down train 11:18:23 <Hendikins> So that if I'm using multiple tracks with regular crossovers, it will actually get routed around? 11:18:43 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-172-101.w86-209.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:21:59 *** andythenorth [~andy@46.208.69.103] has joined #openttd 11:27:58 * planetmaker invented a new type of forest. It grows the logged wood piles right away. No nasty intermediat step of needing trees... 11:28:05 <andythenorth> how clever 11:28:30 * andythenorth needs a new train set 11:29:02 <andythenorth> recommendations? 11:29:34 <Eddi|zuHause> make one :p 11:29:40 <andythenorth> eh? 11:29:42 <andythenorth> perhaps not 11:29:51 <andythenorth> I have been bugging Pikka to make SARS 11:30:00 <planetmaker> sounds unhealthy 11:33:06 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 11:41:33 <planetmaker> what do you need in a train set, andythenorth ? 11:41:56 <andythenorth> FIRS compatibility 11:41:59 <andythenorth> completeness 11:42:04 <andythenorth> graphics that don't suck 11:48:58 * Hendikins is on a train set at the moment, does that count? 11:50:14 <andythenorth> probably 11:57:10 <Pikka> mm sars 11:57:36 * Pikka should finish UKRS2 11:57:43 <Pikka> but I'm on an av8 kick at the moment 11:58:07 <Pikka> decided I'm going to add about 15 new planes for the 5th anniversary edition D: 11:59:23 <Pikka> andythenorth, what's SARS again? :D 11:59:31 <Pikka> seth efrican renewal set 11:59:32 <Pikka> ? 11:59:39 <Pikka> south american, oh 12:01:22 * Pikka tf2 12:07:42 <andythenorth> South American ;) 12:08:05 <andythenorth> Pikka: UKRS 2 is definitely Good Enough (tm) 12:11:00 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:8a3:c205:6178:e0ac] has joined #openttd 12:11:03 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:14:07 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@ip-89-176-220-130.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 12:19:31 <Terkhen> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWd3vgLaA_M 12:21:08 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 12:26:28 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by me] 12:27:05 <planetmaker> hm... can I set a specific animation frame? 12:29:08 <Yexo> in the animation callback? yes 12:37:17 <planetmaker> ah, thanks. I missed that callback :-) 12:37:30 <planetmaker> That'll stop the forest to do the breakdance 12:38:13 <Yexo> is just setting the animation speed lower not good enough? 12:38:34 <Yexo> running the animation callback too often can have a measurable impact on speed 12:42:09 <planetmaker> I want the animation to run once and then stop 12:42:37 <planetmaker> setting to non_looping then only advances once. Looping loops always 12:44:05 <Yexo> IIRC you can accomplish that by not setting the "loop" bit in animation info 12:44:16 <Ammler> but then, how do I not miss the animation? 12:44:34 <Yexo> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Action0IndustryTiles#Animation_information_0F_ 12:44:40 <Yexo> "The high byte must be 0 for non-looping animations and 01 for looping animations." 12:45:39 <planetmaker> yes. well, my goal is: some trigger --> run through all animation frames once, then stop and reset to 0 12:46:10 <planetmaker> alternatively it'd do do: some trigger -> advance one frame and reset, if animation_frame = max_animation_frame 12:47:02 <planetmaker> with looping I get: trigger -> cycle through animation continuously. (That's the definition of looping, I guess ;-) ) 12:47:50 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AB4C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:47:53 <Yexo> use cb 25 as trigger to start animation, and enable cb 26 to stop the animation once it's complete by returning FF 12:48:35 <planetmaker> ho... :-) 12:51:09 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 12:51:12 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 12:55:14 <Eddi|zuHause> http://wiki.openttd.org/images/0/06/Cloverleaf_inward_corners.png <-- wtf is this abomination? 12:56:41 <Alberth> it looks like a crossing :) 12:58:18 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: but it contradicts all known concepts of crossing design, it's neither functional nor realistic 13:00:12 * Alberth ponders how it does not work 13:00:54 <planetmaker> it's consequently merge before split. 13:01:18 <Alberth> I agree you should probably not use it for heavy traffic, but otherwise? 13:01:57 <Alberth> So add a comment that <insert link here> is equivalent and much better 13:04:53 <Alberth> ie documenting bad solutions seems useful too, to me 13:17:00 <peter1138> low traffic generally suffices with a nice flat pbs crossing :) 13:17:22 <peter1138> of course, irl, junctions are generally at stations anyway 13:17:25 <Eddi|zuHause> that's exactly my thought. 13:19:07 <Hendikins> That junction looks like a problem waiting to happen. 13:32:42 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 13:37:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r22335 /trunk/src/network/network_server.cpp: -Cleanup (r22308): remove superfluous tabs 13:39:04 <peter1138> oh, that's irritating. gallery3 magically stopped working :S 13:54:23 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@ip-89-176-220-130.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:57:51 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 14:04:47 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-161-134.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 14:11:19 <andythenorth> funny old game 14:15:19 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AB4C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:17:31 * peter1138 tries playing with FIRS 14:17:57 * andythenorth waves in direction of issue tracker ;) 14:18:10 <andythenorth> better? http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=41607&p=942170#p942170 14:18:40 <Terkhen> nice :) 14:19:32 <andythenorth> I did some waves and stuff for the water as well 14:19:39 <andythenorth> maybe I should add some crates to the dock 14:22:27 <Terkhen> hmmm... that's a good idea 14:23:12 <andythenorth> maybe later then :) 14:23:47 <andythenorth> peter1138: if you use FIRS, you might also want CHIPS 14:23:57 <andythenorth> but it's fine, you can add it to a running game ;) 14:24:00 <andythenorth> :P 14:24:20 * Hendikins grumble, his train runs Windows... 14:24:33 <andythenorth> Yexo: frosch thought the var 68 extension for towns would be fine 14:24:43 <andythenorth> does it need discussing with TTDP? 14:24:52 <Yexo> probably yes 14:25:01 <Yexo> just wait until lakie turns up 14:27:51 <peter1138> i added chips, yes 14:28:09 *** Mks [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has joined #openttd 14:28:18 <peter1138> hmm 14:28:20 <andythenorth> FIRS should have been called PEAS or BEANS 14:28:29 <peter1138> is there a flow chart? 14:28:40 <peter1138> i don't know what can go where :p 14:28:40 <andythenorth> there's one in the game... 14:28:45 <peter1138> oh 14:28:59 <andythenorth> it's quite handy 14:29:01 <peter1138> there is? 14:29:14 <andythenorth> 'Display Chain' on industry window 14:29:18 <andythenorth> also links to minimap 14:29:26 <peter1138> oh i see 14:29:33 <andythenorth> or, if you have the interwebs, there's my website...http://tt-foundry.com/sets/FIRS/schema/schema/economies 14:29:36 <andythenorth> but no chart :( 14:29:52 <peter1138> hidden away :( 14:30:02 <andythenorth> if you're using 0.6.x my website is slightly lies :( 14:30:30 <peter1138> is there'a cargo-centric view? 14:30:34 *** ar3kaw [~ident@ebv121.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 14:30:38 <peter1138> hm 14:30:39 <andythenorth> no but perhaps there should be... 14:30:46 <peter1138> Industry chain for Wood cargo 14:30:47 <peter1138> yes 14:30:52 <peter1138> but it's not easy to get to 14:30:57 <andythenorth> oh yes there is, I forgot 14:30:59 <Terkhen> if you click on a cargo it displays the chain for that cargo 14:31:13 <peter1138> should be able to reach that from other things that display cargos 14:31:18 <andythenorth> good point 14:31:26 <Terkhen> hmm... for example? 14:31:41 <Terkhen> the cargo payment graph? 14:32:17 *** Mks [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has left #openttd [] 14:32:19 <peter1138> our lack of right-click context menus is limiting :S 14:32:56 <peter1138> maybe the industry chain view should also have a list of industry types/cargo types 14:33:03 <peter1138> so once it's open you can easily explore 14:33:33 <peter1138> and the yellow outlines have gaps :S 14:35:27 <SpComb> rewrite to use standard Win32 GUI components! 14:35:43 <peter1138> kill SpComb! 14:35:59 <peter1138> right, no coal-fired power station 14:36:05 * SpComb starts the openttd-qt fork 14:36:11 <Terkhen> heh, good luck with that 14:36:14 <Terkhen> :P 14:36:22 <peter1138> so does firs have a simple industry chain to start with early on? 14:36:51 <peter1138> other than passengers/mail ;p 14:36:52 <Terkhen> I like to start with steel mills 14:37:49 *** ar3k [~ident@ebv121.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:41:43 <andythenorth> peter1138: pax -> towns :P 14:41:47 <andythenorth> iron ore -> steel mill 14:41:50 <andythenorth> wood -> sawmill 14:41:57 <andythenorth> other stuff -> other places :D 14:42:06 <andythenorth> most people start with steel chain 14:42:20 <andythenorth> I like starting with farm produce as it's fricking difficult 14:42:29 <andythenorth> if you have FISH, then start with fish 14:42:49 <andythenorth> it's cheap and easy and production is stable so you never need to adjust it for the entire rest of the game 14:43:00 * andythenorth goes out to drink beer 14:43:01 <andythenorth> or wine 14:43:03 <Pikka> goodnight gentlemen 14:43:08 <andythenorth> good afternoon 14:43:14 <Pikka> *coughnewairports* 14:43:17 *** Pikka [~Figgy@d58-111-83-60.rdl800.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:43:20 <Terkhen> hi Pikka 14:44:06 <andythenorth> newairports indeed 14:44:08 * andythenorth bye 14:44:10 <andythenorth> bbl 14:44:16 *** andythenorth [~andy@46.208.69.103] has left #openttd [] 14:46:35 *** LordAro [~kvirc@host86-137-189-236.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.1 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 14:55:08 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC3051.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:56:52 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC23DE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:59:11 *** dependent [remi911@bas3-montreal03-1176346630.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 15:00:33 *** C0_bGt [~Fedotenko@109.230.217.103] has joined #openttd 15:00:33 *** co_cari_temen_jalan [~GSTARR@109.86.198.39] has joined #openttd 15:00:33 *** C0_bGt [~Fedotenko@109.230.217.103] has quit [autokilled: This host may be infected. 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BOPM (2011-04-17 15:00:53)] 15:01:12 <peter1138> that's quite spammy 15:02:27 <Hendikins> Rather. 15:03:24 <Alberth> nobody was having a conversation anyway :) 15:03:29 *** mode/#openttd [+R-i] by DorpsGek 15:03:32 <glx> less restrictive :) 15:03:51 <peter1138> pfeh, those new-fangled customed modes 15:03:54 <peter1138> customed! 15:04:20 *** Yuswita [~ce_byrn_c@41.234.207.124] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:04:28 *** Teddy_Jkt [~aryo_@41.234.206.139] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:04:37 *** kalabog3 [~P]A]T]@190.107.117.30] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:05:03 *** TheMask96 [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:05:34 *** RUD1 [~CE_PS0878@4d2bb2a2.test.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:05:34 *** ce-bdg-single [~Manwlhs-@6dec3ed4.test.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:05:34 *** Dj_Crazzz [~Tau-maru@19NAAA07G.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:05:37 *** CE_cliquerzz [~co_300_se@182.23.27.54] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:05:44 <yorick> ooh, bot attack 15:06:39 *** iccank [~cow_oL@19NAAA08C.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:07:15 *** dependent [remi911@bas3-montreal03-1176346630.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [] 15:07:52 *** suricate [~RocketQUE@41.234.202.253] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 15:08:27 *** Des`ree [~^c0_0nLin@d80adb17.test.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:17:45 *** welshdragon_ is now known as welshdragon 15:38:24 *** Agravain [~perchrh@162.84-49-247.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 15:38:37 <Agravain> is there a .deb for ubuntu natty out? 15:39:21 <Terkhen> is natty released? 15:39:23 <Agravain> the deb for 10.10 does not install, as the libicu-versions do not match 15:39:59 <Agravain> Terkhen: not yet, the release is later this month 15:40:04 <Terkhen> try the linux generic binaries 15:41:38 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 15:43:19 <Agravain> Terkhen: thanks, that worked 15:43:28 <Terkhen> you are welcome 15:44:10 <Agravain> also, I'm compiling 1.1.0 from source now, are there any known issues with compiling with gcc-4.5? 15:45:09 <Terkhen> only a few warnings when compiling without asserts IIRC 15:46:07 <planetmaker> generally gcc > 3.3(?) should work. With various versions issuing various (bogus or rarely not bogus) warnings 15:46:17 <Agravain> seems to work, compiled ok, started ok, loaded my savegame ok :) 15:46:38 <planetmaker> hopefully you compiled from a svn checkout? 15:46:57 <Agravain> hehe, no, I used the 1.1.0-source download 15:47:20 <planetmaker> you might re-consider to use an svn checkout... might be more fun for multiplayer :-) 15:47:48 <planetmaker> svn co svn://svn.openttd.org/tags/1.1.0 15:48:02 <Terkhen> wasn't the version set correctly for the tarballs too? 15:48:23 <Ammler> there should be a .ottdrev in there 15:49:01 <Eddi|zuHause> it won't be able to detect modifications 15:50:04 <Agravain> alright, I'm getting the svn-version. Missing a 'make uninstall' target, is that supposed to work? 15:50:36 <Ammler> there is none 15:51:37 <Ammler> you should make a .deb file, if you like features like uninstall 15:51:57 <Ammler> is there no openttd on launchpad? 15:52:17 <Ammler> or how that 3rdparty repo thing is called 15:53:06 <Eddi|zuHause> wasn't launchpad this bazaar-repo-thingie? 15:53:25 <Agravain> there is only version 1.0.4 out for natty in the official repositories 15:53:26 <Ammler> afaik ubuntu packages are made there, aren't? 15:53:38 <Ammler> ppa 15:54:36 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea about anything ubuntu-related 15:55:38 <Ammler> me neither, just heard some rumors :-) 15:56:02 <Terkhen> I find it simpler to play from the checkout folder than installing the game 15:57:27 <Ammler> yes, that is why you should use distro packages for such case, imo 15:58:19 <Eddi|zuHause> that's not really a reason to have no uninstall target, though... 15:58:33 <Ammler> packages have that 15:58:55 <Ammler> so for who will you make that target which is quite hard to implement? 15:59:32 <Eddi|zuHause> "rm -rf $prefix/openttd"? 16:00:17 <Ammler> well, then you should call it "remove" or delete, as you can't know, it is the pakcage you installed 16:01:17 <Eddi|zuHause> who cares about whether it's the right files? 16:01:45 <Eddi|zuHause> "uninstall" deletes all files that "install" would create 16:01:49 <Ammler> uninstall should only remove things it installed before 16:02:22 <Eddi|zuHause> that's impossible, because you can't track that 16:02:38 <Ammler> yes, that might be the reason, that target doesn't exist? 16:02:58 <Eddi|zuHause> unlikely 16:03:07 <Eddi|zuHause> then no other project would have it either... 16:03:39 <Ammler> most other projects which has it did implement it as wrong as you suggested 16:04:04 <Ammler> (me guessing) :-) 16:05:32 <Ammler> make install could create a path list which make uninstall uses to remove again 16:33:30 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@95-27-158-102.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 16:39:04 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-177-176.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:39:11 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK 16:44:03 <peter1138> what does "2,.9" mean? 16:44:38 <peter1138> er, where the train length indicator in the depot view used to be 16:45:49 <Alberth> interesting way to write a decimal fraction :) 16:46:27 <Alberth> it is supposed to be 2.9 (ie almost 3 tiles) 16:47:29 <Ammler> or 2..9 with typo 16:51:04 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.8.64.30] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:51:47 <peter1138> no, it's definitely 2,.9 16:51:53 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.8.64.30] has joined #openttd 16:52:16 <Alberth> I agree, the first 'dot' is 2 pixels high, while the second is only 1 16:52:35 <peter1138> eh, i'm using larger fonts, it's clearly a comma 16:53:01 <peter1138> STR_ERROR_TRAIN_START_NO_CATENARY :This track lacks catenary, so the train can't start 16:53:07 <peter1138> nice bogus error message ;) 16:53:32 <Terkhen> strange, I get 1.,5 too 16:54:45 *** ar3kaw [~ident@ebv121.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:55:19 <glx> @commit 22305 16:55:19 <DorpsGek> glx: Commit by frosch :: r22305 /trunk/src (depot_gui.cpp lang/english.txt) (2011-04-09 20:27:34 UTC) 16:55:20 <DorpsGek> glx: -Add: One digit for the fractional part of train lengths in the depot view. 16:55:26 <glx> maybe this 16:58:06 <planetmaker> Here it shows 4.,0 16:58:11 <planetmaker> and not 4,.0 16:58:27 <Alberth> language settings? 17:00:38 <planetmaker> yes. It changes between English and German settings 17:00:49 <Terkhen> maybe the error is on how {DECIMAL} is handled 17:01:16 <Ammler> such things should not be handled with language 17:01:44 <planetmaker> they belong there 17:01:56 <planetmaker> the decimal separator is a language setting 17:02:09 <Ammler> no, it is regio/country setting 17:02:19 <Ammler> like currency 17:02:24 <planetmaker> country = language 17:02:34 <peter1138> approximately 17:02:43 <peter1138> that isn't the issue 17:02:45 <Terkhen> english and german have their digitsepcur and decimalsep values switched, my guess is that is causing the difference 17:02:50 <Ammler> oh well, you might also think, that German belong to Germany :'-( 17:03:00 <Terkhen> the problem is that it shouldn't be displaying decimalsep and digitsepcur at the same time :) 17:03:17 <planetmaker> Ammler: no. But that's exactly the reason why there's a German and a Swiss keyboard layout. It's a "translation" of sorts 17:03:28 <Ammler> that's not the same 17:03:32 <planetmaker> very same 17:03:44 <Ammler> do you speak now about language or about regio settings? 17:03:50 <peter1138> *region 17:04:20 <planetmaker> Ammler: that's why there's de_DE and de_CH 17:04:27 <Ammler> yep 17:04:34 <planetmaker> so it's a language thing ;-) 17:04:44 <Ammler> no those aren't different languages 17:04:49 <Ammler> de is the language 17:05:38 <Ammler> why is currency not managed by language? 17:06:46 <Terkhen> someone playing a country scenario might want to use its currency but it is unlikely that he wants to use its language too 17:07:08 <Terkhen> although that would be more realistic :P 17:07:23 <planetmaker> Ammler: ##isocode de_DE <-- from language file. So it belongs there 17:07:40 <Ammler> yeah 17:08:09 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:08:11 <Ammler> no language for me :'-( 17:08:26 <planetmaker> No one created de_CH ;-) 17:08:45 <Ammler> maybe with WT 4.0 :-) 17:08:45 <planetmaker> though a concept of fallback languages might make sense there... 17:08:48 <glx> there should be a fr_CH too ;) 17:08:58 <planetmaker> and an it_CH 17:09:41 <planetmaker> and rm_CH 17:09:51 <Alberth> Ammler would get lost in so many languages for him at the same time :) 17:09:57 <planetmaker> I wonder though how many people would use that ;-) 17:11:20 <Eddi|zuHause> i thought fallback languages were implemented once upon a time? 17:11:47 <Ammler> I guess, just that English is the fallback language 17:12:03 <planetmaker> it is the general one, yes. 17:12:04 <frosch123> what? how does the ,. happen? it was not there last week... 17:13:09 <Eddi|zuHause> no, i meant fallback languages other than english 17:13:31 <Ammler> if so, there would be de_CH :-) 17:13:49 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4db198bb.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:14:27 <Alberth> text("Wellington",1), <-- famous town? http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=941852#p941852 17:14:56 <glx> I hav ., too 17:15:05 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: i heard that name before 17:15:15 <Alberth> oh, new zealand capital 17:15:25 <frosch123> yeah, it prints both a thousand and a decimal separator 17:15:58 <Ammler> is Amden in? 17:16:19 <planetmaker> Alberth: by my personal definition all towns where I lived are 'famous' :-P 17:16:32 <Eddi|zuHause> how do you get fewer than 88 towns on a 1024^2 map?!? 17:16:43 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: manual town # 17:17:03 <Alberth> use the grf, although you may get exactly 88 then :) 17:17:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r22336 /trunk/src/strings.cpp: -Fix (r22304): {DECIMAL} printed too many thousand separators. 17:22:22 <glx> oh and I should fix thousand separator for french 17:24:16 <Ammler> what is that? 17:28:46 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r22337 /trunk/src/ (lang/english.txt vehicle_cmd.cpp): -Fix: Overly specific error message 17:29:58 <peter1138> ahh, sporadic commits :p 17:30:02 <frosch123> any sane language uses "{NBSP}" for thousands separation 17:30:19 * frosch123 senses a sed commit comming 17:30:47 <peter1138> feel free 17:30:55 <glx> <frosch123> any sane language uses "{NBSP}" for thousands separation <-- indeed, that's what I need to fix 17:31:26 <glx> peter1138: did you compile before commit ? 17:32:42 <peter1138> bah 17:32:43 <peter1138> i grepped 17:33:14 <peter1138> ai has the right error though :p 17:34:22 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r22338 /trunk/src/ai/api/ai_vehicle.hpp.sq: -Fix (r22337): Compile-before-commit... 17:34:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r22339 /trunk/src/lang/french.txt: -Fix: french uses NBSP as digit separator, not dot 17:36:10 <glx> is someone renaming or removing string in all langfiles ? 17:36:31 *** Agravain [~perchrh@162.84-49-247.nextgentel.com] has left #openttd [] 17:36:38 <planetmaker> they should be re-translated anyway 17:36:44 <planetmaker> so I'd not do anything 17:36:59 <glx> they should at least be removed then 17:37:11 <planetmaker> WT3 does that upon the next commit to that language afaik 17:37:41 <planetmaker> but still... might be better to remove them 17:39:16 <glx> we can wait 5 minutes :) 17:39:38 <frosch123> testing tb's software? 17:45:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r22340 /trunk/src/lang/ (5 files): 17:45:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: french - 1 changes by glx 17:45:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: german - 1 changes by planetmaker 17:45:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: brazilian_portuguese - 1 changes by Tucalipe 17:45:36 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: slovenian - 32 changes by 17:45:36 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: swedish - 2 changes by Ledel 17:46:30 <planetmaker> even in all 17:46:51 <glx> WT fixes only languages with changes 17:47:39 <planetmaker> err, yes. the one brazilian one did change something else... and I only saw the -NO_POWER ;-) 17:48:44 <Eddi|zuHause> we should issue a warning like "there are no vehicles available in this start year" 17:49:45 <frosch123> just make all newgrf code object oriented without any global variables; then we can easily preload and preactivate grfs in the title screen 17:50:16 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: showing this after the start would suffice imho 17:50:50 <glx> would be nice to remove strings before the nightly 17:50:51 <Eddi|zuHause> at least, it would be a first step... 17:56:46 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r22341 /trunk/src/lang/ (43 files in 2 dirs): -Change: Remove string unused since r22337 17:56:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r22342 /trunk/src/ai/ (8 files in 2 dirs): -Fix (r22338): fix the right place and run the script 17:57:21 <peter1138> bah 17:58:30 <Eddi|zuHause> that sounds evil :p 17:58:57 <SmatZ> huh 17:59:06 <SmatZ> why did that commit add so many files? 17:59:20 <frosch123> it added properties :) 17:59:22 <glx> svn props 17:59:35 <glx> the script did it 17:59:49 <peter1138> 0 byte files 18:01:02 <Eddi|zuHause> i take back all complaints about the last abomination, since i encountered this: http://www.tt-ms.de/forum/attachment.php?aid=3827 18:01:09 <frosch123> hmm, then glx's script does something different... 18:02:27 <SmatZ> [new file with mode: 0644] 18:02:31 <SmatZ> it says "new file" 18:02:38 <frosch123> weird, if i delete all .sq files, it does not recreate ai_controller.hpp.sq 18:02:42 <frosch123> SmatZ: yes, misread that 18:03:04 <peter1138> ugh, what? 18:03:27 <glx> squirrel_export.sh does add and propset 18:03:59 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: looks like a good path finder test :) 18:04:22 <peter1138> 4 commits for one tiny change :P 18:04:44 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: doesn't look good for anything. especially it doesn't look good. and the signals are the wrong way around... 18:09:16 <Bjarte> is there a way to prevent a player from going bankrupt in multiplayer or give them money? 18:09:40 <SmatZ> Bjarte: you can give them money if you are playing 18:09:45 <SmatZ> server can't give anyone money 18:09:57 <Bjarte> 2nd was what I was going for.. :) 18:10:02 <Bjarte> thanks 18:10:07 <SmatZ> :) 18:12:51 <planetmaker> no money ex machina ;-) 18:23:20 <Sacro> hmm, he's not Bjarne 18:23:38 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba9a53.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:23:44 <SmatZ> hehe :) 18:36:42 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-12-114.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:42:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: terkhen * r22343 /trunk/src/ (30 files in 3 dirs): -Change: Remove pixel limiter for query strings. 18:43:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: terkhen * r22344 /trunk/src/ (signs_gui.cpp signs_type.h): -Codechange: Remove width constant from the sign list window. 18:44:01 *** mode/#openttd [+o SmatZ] by ChanServ 18:44:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: terkhen * r22345 /trunk/src/ (7 files): -Change: Remove pixel limiter for text buffers. 18:45:48 <Eddi|zuHause> dbg: [sl] Laden des Spieles fehlgeschlagen 18:45:50 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: terkhen * r22346 /trunk/src/ (misc_gui.cpp textbuf_gui.h): -Cleanup: Textbuf::max_pixels is not required anymore. 18:45:50 <Eddi|zuHause> Interner Fehler: liblzma returned error code 18:45:55 <Eddi|zuHause> wtf? 18:46:04 <Eddi|zuHause> this is the title game... 18:48:36 <peter1138> hmm, that was predictable 18:48:45 <peter1138> windows no longer boots because... 18:48:50 <peter1138> the drive it was on has been removed :p 18:49:01 <SmatZ> :) 18:50:01 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: is it reproducible? do you have liblzma (openttd configured to support it)? do you have broken title savegame? 18:50:20 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: it also says it for any recent savegame 18:50:28 <SmatZ> weird 18:50:39 <SmatZ> I thought the title game is saved in lzo format 18:50:53 <__ln__> "Internet Fehler" looks like it should be written without a space. 18:51:01 <SmatZ> :) 18:51:04 <Yexo> SmatZ: the old one is, the 1.1 one probably not 18:51:11 <Eddi|zuHause> it's the title game competition winner 18:51:12 <SmatZ> Yexo: right :) 18:51:37 <SmatZ> I almost never run stable versions, so I forgot about that :) 18:51:40 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm gonna rebuild this... 18:51:45 <Terkhen> the title game for 1.1 was compressed with lzma highest compression IIRC 18:53:21 <Eddi|zuHause> works after rebuild... weird... 18:53:43 *** lasershock [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:53:46 <SmatZ> maybe you linked against old liblzma and you updated it afterwards 18:54:33 <Eddi|zuHause> but i don't remember updating anything lately... 18:55:01 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway: would be nice if the error message stated _which_ error occured... 18:55:35 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: "interner Fehler" != "Internetfehler" 18:56:10 <__ln__> oh, i should learn to read 18:56:28 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: shouldn't it be "Internerfehler" then? 18:56:40 <Eddi|zuHause> no. 18:57:21 <SmatZ> ok - why? 18:57:38 <Eddi|zuHause> because "intern" is an adjective 18:57:53 <SmatZ> hmm 18:57:54 <SmatZ> ok 18:58:41 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba9a53.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:14:51 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:15:52 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 19:19:18 *** andythenorth [~Andy@46.208.69.103] has joined #openttd 19:19:25 <andythenorth> ho 19:19:27 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:19:27 <andythenorth> irc fun 19:19:44 * andythenorth was blocked from oftc for reasons unknown 19:19:56 <SmatZ> andythenorth: using tor irc? 19:20:27 *** mode/#openttd [-R] by DorpsGek 19:20:27 <SmatZ> maybe you could complain at #oftc 19:21:06 <glx> seems the attack is finished 19:21:47 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 19:23:45 *** cwe_manis [~sss_uk^^^@c-68-50-209-168.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:23:45 *** cwe_manis [~sss_uk^^^@c-68-50-209-168.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [autokilled: Spammer - Contact support@oftc.net for help. 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(2011-04-17 19:37:23)] 19:37:41 <Eddi|zuHause> better set +R again... 19:42:37 * Hendikins plays a test game of OTTD, attempts to build a zig zag. 19:43:12 *** mode/#openttd [+R] by SmatZ 19:46:56 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba9a53.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:51:03 *** LordAro [5689bdec@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 19:51:18 * LordAro was just forced to register :P 19:51:43 * andythenorth too 19:51:49 <andythenorth> ho ho 19:52:07 <LordAro> been meaning to do it for a while anyway... 19:53:27 <SmatZ> :) 19:54:09 * LordAro should now probably try to register nick with ChanServ and others as well 19:55:10 <LordAro> unless of course they are all linked together 19:56:11 <planetmaker> LordAro: it's registered with oftc.net 19:56:20 <planetmaker> so in every channel on this network 19:57:30 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:57:56 <LordAro> Alberth: http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/openttd/link/1302976841#1302976841 and beyond 19:58:28 <LordAro> planetmaker: i was talking about other networks, but i never go on them anyway, so it probably doesn't matter too much 19:58:46 <Alberth> so what did you decide? 19:59:05 <LordAro> i didn't :) 19:59:29 <LordAro> i thought a dev would be far more knowledgeable than me 19:59:47 <LordAro> and since you've been helping me, i picked you first :P 20:00:10 <Alberth> if I have to tell everything, I may as well write the whole patch myself :p 20:00:37 <LordAro> i just don't want to do the wrong thing, then have to re-write it 20:00:39 <Alberth> what requirements do the text files have? 20:01:03 <Alberth> (assuming a readme.txt file is indeed text :) 20:01:09 <LordAro> requirements? you mean like uf-8? 20:01:23 <Alberth> that sounds like a good requirement to me :) 20:01:48 <LordAro> and should there be a character limit? like 10000 or something? 20:01:55 <andythenorth> LordAro: all code gets re-written ;) 20:02:02 <andythenorth> the destiny of all code is to die 20:02:15 <Alberth> afaik, all the utf-8 routines in openttd use byte or char * or so, so 'string' will be less useful 20:02:40 <LordAro> andythenorth: yeah, but preferably not rewritten before implementation :P 20:02:53 <LordAro> Alberth: so 'char file[10000]' sort of thing? 20:03:06 <Alberth> as for max size, make a 'static const int MAX_README_LENGTH = 10000;' and use that constant 20:03:16 <Alberth> changing it will be easy then 20:03:29 <LordAro> ok, but 10000 is good, yes? 20:04:05 <Alberth> pretty much any number is good while developing the code 20:04:34 <LordAro> openttd's readme is 28k, but i guess a newgrf/ai/whatever isn't going to be that big... 20:04:44 <Alberth> I don't know how long an average readme file is 20:04:59 <Alberth> hmm, s/average/biggest/ 20:05:20 <planetmaker> LordAro: many (big) patches which get merged into trunk are re-written at least once ;-) 20:05:37 <Alberth> @calc 28000 / 60 20:05:37 <DorpsGek> Alberth: 466.666666667 20:05:38 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:05:46 * LordAro goes hunting for readmes on openttdcoop 20:05:53 <planetmaker> don't be afraid to write one version. And then start all over again with the knowledge you gained from the first version. 20:06:00 <Alberth> 500 lines sounds like a useful limit :) 20:06:13 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 20:06:13 <planetmaker> 640k is enough for everyone :-P 20:06:21 <Alberth> planetmaker: + more than :) 20:06:41 <planetmaker> indeed :-P 20:06:47 <LordAro> planetmaker:i wouldn't call this a big patch, just a fairly rubbishy coder :L 20:06:53 <LordAro> also, lol :) 20:07:25 <Alberth> but he is right, I tend to write a patch 2-3 times before I get it completely right. 20:08:04 * andythenorth stops looking at FIRS milestone 'to do' list 20:08:09 <andythenorth> depressing :| 20:09:15 <LordAro> ogfx's readme is only 12k characters, and 312 lines 20:09:22 * LordAro goes with 500 line limit :) 20:09:53 <planetmaker> if OpenGFX is 312 lines... do you know how long they are? 20:09:58 <planetmaker> @calc 12000/312 20:09:58 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 38.4615384615 20:10:18 <andythenorth> are there RV sets besides egrvts? 20:10:29 <planetmaker> given the many empty lines... oh well ;-) 20:10:37 * LordAro googles 'c++ read .txt file line limit' :D 20:10:44 <planetmaker> long vehicles, German RV, many tram sets 20:10:52 <planetmaker> NARVS 20:11:09 <andythenorth> opengfx+ rvs? 20:11:18 <Alberth> LordAro: 500 lines is way too much for development anyway, you need no more than 10 lines or so. That amount is still countable by hand. 20:11:31 <planetmaker> there's a ^ and a free-of-charge car set for the towncar AI 20:11:47 <LordAro> Alberth: thats true 20:12:32 <planetmaker> andythenorth: and HEQS :-P 20:12:37 <Alberth> even loading the readme file is not that much interesting, a far bigger problem is displaying such text in a scrollable window 20:12:47 * andythenorth needs some trucks 20:12:59 <planetmaker> long vehicles has... long trucks 20:13:02 <LordAro> Alberth/whoever: how's this: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3081289/how-to-read-a-line-from-a-text-file-in-c-c/3081307#3081307 20:13:04 <andythenorth> I can always add/remove grfs once I've started the game :) 20:13:08 <planetmaker> egrvts, of course, too 20:13:16 <planetmaker> egrvts is gpl 20:13:20 <LordAro> obviously with a line 'limiter' 20:13:50 <planetmaker> at least de-facto the sprites, as many are active in OpenGFX. 20:14:59 <Alberth> LordAro: for ascii it might work, but you'll need to do utf-8 processing too 20:15:15 <Alberth> (although do only ascii first would be my suggestion) 20:16:07 <planetmaker> a Chinese readme might eat way more bytes than it displays characters ;-) 20:16:28 <planetmaker> or any CJK - readme 20:16:44 <LordAro> are there any? 20:16:49 <Alberth> but they need less characters to write a word :p 20:17:00 <planetmaker> :-) 20:17:30 <planetmaker> LordAro: dunno. I usually have little use for them. And might not even recognize them, if I found them linked with a native language description 20:17:59 <Alberth> LordAro: pretend that the src/lang/simplified_chinese.txt is a readme file 20:18:26 <LordAro> heh :) 20:18:38 <LordAro> all in good time :p 20:20:43 <planetmaker> when I play(ed) with languages, I found it's sufficient to test a few: English (of course), some East-European like Czech or Polish, Russian, Arabic and Chinese. 20:20:50 <planetmaker> That covers most problematic things 20:21:00 <planetmaker> Maybe add Korean and Japanese for added fun. 20:21:31 <LordAro> i think i'll wait until there are multi language readmes until i worry about that too much 20:22:07 <planetmaker> But that might not work. And not your fault: The used font is decided upon language selection based on the language file 20:22:28 <planetmaker> If you then later have a custom-named station for example in glyphs which are not in the font, you'll have a station named ??????????????? 20:22:53 <planetmaker> such you'd then also get with the multi-language readme under those kind of circumstances 20:23:42 <LordAro> well by the time it gets committed, its not my problem anymore :P 20:25:40 <LordAro> summary: i'll think about multi-language support, when i've got english working :) 20:26:28 <planetmaker> no one said you should do differently. 20:26:54 <Alberth> do note that you normally don't get EOF when reading a readme file from a tar 20:27:59 <planetmaker> that's ugly 20:28:09 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba9a53.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:28:28 <Alberth> why? tar packs all files together, so the readme has a start and a size somewhere in the middle of the tar 20:29:07 <Eddi|zuHause> vehicles might need a property "make this vehicle available when vehicle XX is available". 20:29:12 <Yexo> a wrapper class could easily return EOF as soon as you hit that size 20:29:22 <planetmaker> yep. 20:29:32 <Yexo> although in that case it might be impossible to get to work with the standard library functions 20:30:18 <Alberth> you just have to keep track of how many bytes you have already read 20:32:01 <Terkhen> andythenorth: opengfx+ rvs should work fine, but it is still missing sprites for newgrf cargos 20:32:13 <andythenorth> sprites are over-rated anyway 20:32:15 <andythenorth> ;) 20:32:32 <Terkhen> I also want nice names for the models, instead of using MKII and so on 20:32:46 <Terkhen> but you should not miss refit support for all cargos 20:33:31 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe35dc00-187.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 20:36:08 *** APTX_ [APTX@89-77-188-241.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:37:42 <andythenorth> meh 20:37:52 <andythenorth> default tropic foundations suck for stations on coastline 20:37:52 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:43:27 <Alberth> tropic climate sucks for lack of vehicles during the 'electrics' age 20:43:39 <Alberth> +new train 20:45:14 <planetmaker> that's what we have newgrf for ;-) 20:47:40 *** andythenorth [~Andy@46.208.69.103] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 20:50:24 <Terkhen> hmm... would it be complicated to do a tropic + electric option for opengfx+ trains? 20:51:08 <Alberth> the point is that tropic does not have electric, so you need new non-electric trains 20:52:45 * Alberth ponders running steam for a much longer time, as many tropical countries do :) 20:53:59 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:55:13 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-172-101.w86-209.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:59:09 <Terkhen> it is possible to change the snowline height on a scenario? 21:02:59 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6D425.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:03:41 <frosch123> maybe via console? 21:05:35 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:06:40 <LordAro> night all 21:06:45 *** LordAro [5689bdec@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 21:07:20 <Terkhen> frosch123: thanks, that worked :) 21:08:39 <Terkhen> I wonder why it goes from 16 to 104, though 21:11:39 <Eddi|zuHause> snow line is counted in multiples of 8 21:14:45 <frosch123> there are two settings apparently :s 21:15:36 <Terkhen> I modified game_creation.sno_line 21:15:40 <Terkhen> snow_line* 21:15:53 <frosch123> no idea what the other one does :) 21:20:02 <Yexo> most likely they can be merged 21:21:05 <frosch123> likely one is the value at game start, while the other one is the current one, which might be overrridden by newgrfs on every new day 21:21:41 <Yexo> nope, the newgrf values are in an array 21:22:04 <Yexo> there is a wrapper function GetSnowLine() to get the current snow line 21:22:07 <frosch123> but is the array item lookep up every time? 21:22:10 <frosch123> or only on newday? 21:22:23 <Yexo> yes, always 21:25:02 <Yexo> snow_line_height is only used for the gui, snow_line is set to snow_line_height * TILE_HEIGHT in InitializeClearLand() 21:26:56 <Eddi|zuHause> i still have not found a sensible way to extend snow line and land info newgrf variables for more heightlevels... 21:27:13 <Yexo> it cannot be done without extending the newgrf spec 21:27:45 <Eddi|zuHause> well, snow line could be extended from B to W, but land info is some bitstuffing magic 21:28:11 <Yexo> problem with land info is that the height doesn't fit anymore in the allocated bits 21:28:21 <Eddi|zuHause> there are 4 "reserved" bits left, but they wouldn't be continguous with the height info 21:28:53 *** MMavipc|AFK [~crapmail@ip72-197-227-147.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:28:58 <Yexo> just return 15 for all height levels over 15 doesn't work, because in that case newgrf are not able to detect relative tile heights anymore 21:29:27 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: most places use 8 bits for the heightlevels, so that is no problem 21:29:28 <Eddi|zuHause> it's fine up to height level 31 21:29:41 <frosch123> there is only one place afaik which uses 5 bits or so, 21:29:49 <frosch123> afaik in newsignals, but who cares about that 21:29:51 <Eddi|zuHause> but 32*8=256 21:30:26 <frosch123> remove the 8 multiplier 21:30:38 <Yexo> frosch123: but that breaks existing newgrfs 21:30:44 <frosch123> that way most newgrfs will actually continue to work 21:30:45 <Eddi|zuHause> that isn't clean either 21:30:48 <Yexo> or rather, it needs nfo version 8 (or a misc bit set somewhere) 21:30:59 <frosch123> since most are only interested in the absolute height on the map 21:31:02 <Eddi|zuHause> e.g. FIRS has the calculation "height"-"snow line"+8 21:31:04 <frosch123> e.g. in mountains, or at sea level 21:31:33 <Eddi|zuHause> this would break with the removal of the multiplier, so it needs to be rewritten to "height"-"snow line"+1 21:31:58 <Yexo> frosch123: aren't industry layout location checking callbacks only interested in the relative tile height? 21:32:13 <frosch123> imo, just extent the mapsize variable in the action d patch variables, to also return the number of heightsteps, and the "height difference" between two height levels (8 by default) 21:32:44 <frosch123> Yexo: usually they only check the slope, not the relative heights 21:32:49 <Yexo> still breaks old newgrf, and makes writing new ones a pain 21:32:58 <Yexo> hmm, true 21:32:59 <frosch123> but, if they check the heights, there is no way to not break them 21:33:09 <Yexo> yes, but that's the whole problem 21:33:21 <frosch123> why is that a problem? 21:33:45 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-013-114.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Python is way too complicated... I prefer doing it quickly in C.] 21:33:52 <Yexo> breaking newgrfs is a problem 21:34:17 <frosch123> it is not the first time, that newgrfs are not compatible to new features 21:34:53 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: but removing the multiplier also breaks newgrfs without using more heightlevels 21:35:03 <frosch123> just say, these newgrfs do not work with other height levels than 16 steps of height 8, and be done with it :) 21:35:24 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: i mean the multiplier should scale as well 21:35:37 <Eddi|zuHause> now that'd be weird :p 21:35:45 <frosch123> fix it to 0..128 for all maps (i.e. actually limit to 128 height levels instead of 256) 21:35:51 <Yexo> frosch123: a non-constant multiplier will make it very hard to use 21:35:58 <frosch123> and supply the number of heightlevels and the stepsize in some var 21:36:08 <Yexo> I'd say just change the multiplier to 1 and be done with it 21:36:32 <frosch123> Yexo: i still think checking the absolute height is far more common than checking relative heights 21:37:02 <frosch123> and in that case you are indeed breaking every grf even if you do not use more height levels 21:37:07 <Yexo> you're probably right 21:37:22 <Eddi|zuHause> i lean to: change the multiplier to 1, if the newgrf sets a flag. that keeps (some) compatibility with old newgrfs- 21:38:19 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-220-130.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:38:25 <frosch123> anyway, need to sleep :) 21:38:30 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe1b8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:51:11 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba9a53.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 21:56:30 *** zodttd [~me@user-0c90n0l.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: zodttd] 21:59:56 <Terkhen> good night 22:14:34 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:15:21 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:15:27 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4db198bb.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us!] 22:18:16 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-161-134.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [Quit: asilv] 22:27:10 <Eddi|zuHause> www.eisenbahnstiftung.de/bg/pics/5348.jpg <-- that's "multimodal" transportation :p 22:28:03 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 22:36:08 <DanMacK> Hey Robo 22:36:11 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:40:46 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-27-158-102.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:47:52 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think he ever saw that line :p 22:53:21 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba9a53.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:02:35 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [] 23:07:21 *** Vadtec [vadtec@i.am.vadtec.net] has quit [Write error: connection closed] 23:07:21 *** Bjarte [bjarte@playing.OpenTTD.no] has quit [Write error: connection closed] 23:08:15 *** Vadtec [vadtec@i.am.vadtec.net] has joined #openttd 23:09:05 *** afk [~Dre@92.18.105.207] has quit [Quit: Never look down on someone unless you're helping them up.] 23:09:22 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:23:56 <Wolf01> 'night 23:23:59 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host41-233-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:45:18 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC23DE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own]