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[~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:56:31 *** Rocangus [~Rocangus@c83-250-250-84.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:06:59 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 10:13:41 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 10:18:03 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.169.88] has joined #openttd 10:29:55 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 10:34:10 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:39:36 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:41:21 <SmatZ> You won 990,784.00 GBP from LUKOIL COMPANY AWARD. Contact Mr Benson Parker for payment details. 10:41:23 <SmatZ> yay! 10:42:08 <andythenorth> now you can fund Openttd 10:42:12 <andythenorth> what shall we spend the money on? 10:42:25 <andythenorth> (a) a new logo 10:42:27 <SmatZ> real-world openttd! :) 10:42:28 <andythenorth> (b) bigger servers 10:42:36 <andythenorth> (c) underground railways 10:42:50 <SmatZ> :) 10:43:09 <SmatZ> underground railways are doable, but it would change openttd a lot 10:43:27 <Terkhen> servers for 255 companies and 65535 players 10:43:31 <SmatZ> eg. you would need user interface to build them 10:43:32 <SmatZ> :) 10:43:48 <SmatZ> also, later you would want to add sloped underground track... 10:43:54 <dihedral> decentralized multiplayer 10:43:59 <andythenorth> an interface to build things you can't see :P 10:43:59 * dihedral pokes SmatZ :-D 10:44:01 <SmatZ> hmm yeah :) 10:44:04 <SmatZ> :D 10:44:26 <SmatZ> I remember when I was trying to build something like that in locomotion, the game never did what I wanted 10:44:51 <SmatZ> or when I rotated the view, the track was built somewhere else than it looked like when I was building it... 10:45:20 *** APTX [~APTX@89-77-188-241.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:46:54 *** APTX [~APTX@89-77-188-241.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 10:48:49 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 10:50:35 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 10:51:31 <andythenorth> underground is stupid 10:51:36 <andythenorth> might as well just use tunnels for it 10:51:50 <andythenorth> build nodes on the surface, built tunnels to them 10:52:29 <andythenorth> nothing else can be on the node tile 10:52:49 <andythenorth> use the map bits for signalling and crap 10:53:02 <andythenorth> node tile can look like a vent shaft or something 10:56:46 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.9.235.228] has joined #openttd 11:13:16 <Eddi|zuHause> http://maps.google.de/?ie=UTF8&ll=51.507527,11.927826&spn=0.002311,0.005257&t=h&z=18 <-- so, who codes this as a newgrf-tram/bus-station? ;) 11:16:54 <peter1138> it's unrealistic! 11:17:52 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@524B73C2.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:17:53 <peter1138> looks like an old industrial station converted to an out-of-town one 11:18:00 <peter1138> s/one/passenger station/ 11:29:49 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:47:24 *** andyalba [~Miranda@5ad96a30.bb.sky.com] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 12:08:58 <Eddi|zuHause> nope, never was industrial. first it was a single turning loop for the tram line from the right, and later they added a tram line from below, so they made it a double-loop 12:10:19 <Eddi|zuHause> i guess original plans to extend the line towards the top were scrapped in favour of the bus lines 12:16:21 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:216d:5832:587d:24de] has joined #openttd 12:16:24 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:17:53 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host41-233-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 12:19:01 <Wolf01> hello 12:19:07 <peter1138> hmm 12:20:36 *** APTX [~APTX@89-77-188-241.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:21:54 *** APTX [~APTX@89-77-188-241.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 12:39:47 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-178-004-189-196.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:43:36 *** APTX [~APTX@89-77-188-241.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:44:58 *** APTX [~APTX@89-77-188-241.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 12:57:41 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:00:34 <Belugas> hello 13:01:03 <Belugas> freezing rain pouring down over me 13:01:08 <Belugas> lovely 13:05:24 <Markk> I would like that right now. 13:05:52 <planetmaker> hm... around 20°C here right now. T-Shirt weather actually 13:05:54 <Belugas> come, as you are 13:06:00 <Belugas> as you were 13:06:00 <planetmaker> and not a single cloud :-) 13:06:06 <Belugas> as i want you to be 13:06:07 <Markk> Belugas: Nirvana :D 13:06:09 <Belugas> :D 13:06:47 <Belugas> one of the easiest songs to play EVER, but so cool to play!! 13:07:04 <Markk> :D 13:10:35 <Markk> 19 degrees here. 13:11:16 <Markk> Sunny and high humidity too, so it feels like 22-23. 13:13:25 * Belugas longs for some heat 13:13:59 <Belugas> 2 celcius :( 13:14:15 <Belugas> and rain mixed with freezing rain 13:14:22 * Belugas cries for a bit of sun! 13:14:24 <Markk> wtf 13:14:28 <Markk> Where are thou? 13:16:40 <Belugas> in the cold, damned 13:16:48 <Markk> Canada? 13:16:49 <Belugas> Montreal, Quebec, north Pole 13:16:53 <Markk> <3 13:17:14 <Markk> But isn't Montreal pretty far south for being Canada? 13:18:28 *** Mazur [~mazur@53550C29.cm-6-6a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:19:26 <Belugas> quite. we're just like 45 minutes frm the states. We're lucky, in fact, there are people in the priovince that are receiving snow right now 13:19:30 <Belugas> and a pile of it! 13:19:41 <peter1138> i have sun 13:19:43 <peter1138> it's too hot, yes 13:19:48 <peter1138> 24°C in this office 13:20:33 <Markk> Belugas: wtf. 13:20:51 <Markk> I live in Ireland, the most rainy sheitisland, and it's nearly summer here. 13:21:43 <Belugas> say Yeah for Gulf Stream ;) 13:21:51 <Markk> Yep :D 13:21:55 <Belugas> that's what is eating up the continent 13:22:19 <Belugas> it totally misses us. Instead, we have that stream coming down the arctic circle 13:22:29 <Belugas> thus the difference 13:22:42 <Markk> ah 13:22:44 <Markk> That sucks. 13:22:52 <Markk> How is Vancouver by this time of the year? 13:22:54 <Belugas> nope, that freezes ;) 13:23:29 <Belugas> I can't tell. I was doing an install by remote yesterday, the guy was so boring we did not talk about the weater 13:23:39 <Markk> Haha 13:26:18 <Belugas> and I know that Calgary was a bit frisky as well yesterday :) 13:28:15 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:28:17 <Belugas> -3 actually 13:28:29 <Belugas> so... looks like i should not complain too much :D 13:30:33 <Markk> wtf 13:30:40 <Markk> It's spring! 13:30:42 <Markk> Not winter 13:30:42 <Markk> :D 13:40:43 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.169.88] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:45:42 *** ZirconiumX [561b9caa@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 13:46:25 <ZirconiumX> Hello all 13:50:43 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has joined #openttd 13:51:23 <andythenorth> playing a game causes me to invent lots of tickets 13:51:26 <andythenorth> mostly for me :P 13:51:39 *** Bluelight [~chatzilla@190.80-203-100.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 13:52:13 *** Bluelight [~chatzilla@190.80-203-100.nextgentel.com] has quit [] 13:52:26 <ZirconiumX> least they aren't bus tickets 13:58:48 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-58-51.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 14:00:54 <andythenorth> ZirconiumX: your feedback on FIRS graphics was useful - it inspired me to improve them more... 14:01:13 <andythenorth> does this one blend in in your view? 14:01:14 <andythenorth> http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=143429 14:01:39 * ZirconiumX gives thumbs up 14:02:06 <ZirconiumX> it's not perfect - but as nothing can be - it's one of the best I've seen 14:02:33 * ZirconiumX thinks andythenorth should do a station set 14:02:38 <Terkhen> it loos quite nice :) 14:02:41 <Terkhen> looks* 14:03:29 <andythenorth> ZirconiumX: it won't be perfect :) while (a) I insist on using my own ground tile (b) I don't add fences (c) I make industries same size as town buildings, instead of compressed in size 14:03:55 <andythenorth> and I'm not simon foster :) 14:04:37 <ZirconiumX> I've seen thenew fishing harbour 14:04:47 <ZirconiumX> very good IMO 14:05:26 <andythenorth> fanks 14:08:35 <Ammler> [16:03] <andythenorth> and I'm not simon foster <-- you are better 14:08:43 <andythenorth> not really 14:08:55 *** Lokimaros [~mazur@53550C29.cm-6-6a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:08:55 *** Lokimaros is now known as Mazur 14:09:08 <Ammler> but you might have used more time per sprite as he 14:09:10 <Ammler> :-) 14:09:11 <andythenorth> I have more time than he probably had 14:09:21 <andythenorth> I have been working on it for two years 14:09:28 <andythenorth> I don't know how long TTD production took 14:19:57 *** Absurd-Mind [~peter@p5495936C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:19:59 <Belugas> nice looking, andythenorth 14:21:15 <andythenorth> ta much 14:21:19 * andythenorth back to work 14:24:54 <ZirconiumX> or play 14:30:20 <ZirconiumX> andythenorth: there appears to be a 'bulge' in the dairy exhaust pipe 14:30:47 <ZirconiumX> The dairy is a good sprite but the bulge looks 'wrong' 14:30:57 <andythenorth> there is a bulge - it's a collar on the chimney 14:31:12 <ZirconiumX> ah - sorry 14:31:22 <andythenorth> you may have a point 14:31:55 <ZirconiumX> could you either recolour it - or remove it 14:31:59 <andythenorth> maybe 14:32:13 <andythenorth> I don't enjoy criticism, but if it makes for better art... 14:32:22 <ZirconiumX> recolour would be better IMO 14:32:29 <ZirconiumX> but - it's your work 14:32:32 <andythenorth> the bulge is realistic, but maybe doesn't look right. There are other cases of it 14:32:37 <andythenorth> I'll try later 14:32:56 <ZirconiumX> ty 14:33:51 <ZirconiumX> and - is there a snowy harbour 14:33:59 <ZirconiumX> or slightly salty? 14:34:16 <andythenorth> ask yourself - how low does the snow line go? 14:34:17 <andythenorth> ;) 14:34:39 <ZirconiumX> 7 bottom 14:34:44 <ZirconiumX> hmm 14:34:50 <andythenorth> min height is level 2 for snow 14:34:52 <andythenorth> afaik 14:35:01 <andythenorth> although you can build fishing harbours in lakes above sea level 14:35:10 <andythenorth> but not likely when using terrain generator 14:35:16 <andythenorth> I would like a snowy version 14:35:19 <ZirconiumX> but maybe the salt deposited on the shipway 14:35:19 <andythenorth> it would look...neat 14:35:33 <planetmaker> well. You *can* set it lower via NewGRF. But you'd have to supply snowy shores as well 14:35:42 <andythenorth> that might be a worthwhile project... 14:35:53 <andythenorth> 'total snow' 14:35:58 <andythenorth> would look awesome 14:36:07 <ZirconiumX> and icy water 14:36:11 <dihedral> mini has been ordered :-) 14:36:12 <ZirconiumX> just oe problem 14:36:13 <andythenorth> yarp 14:36:13 <planetmaker> I *think* you can then not have a variable snow line 14:36:13 <dihedral> \o/ 14:36:49 <planetmaker> hm... icy river sprites... 14:37:01 <andythenorth> yarp 14:37:09 <ZirconiumX> the small wooden ships of FISH going through thick ice 14:37:15 <ZirconiumX> is IMO unrealistic 14:37:17 <planetmaker> if height - snowline > 3 then use_frozen_water_sprites 14:37:19 <andythenorth> i would happily draw ice breakers 14:37:27 <andythenorth> my ships are all ice capable :) 14:37:33 <andythenorth> that's why they're so expensive :P 14:37:33 <planetmaker> :-) 14:37:40 <planetmaker> he. 14:37:42 <ZirconiumX> :D 14:37:51 <planetmaker> Actually I think costs should match the costs of standard vehicles. 14:38:10 <andythenorth> I think there should be a cost-parameter ;) 14:38:11 <planetmaker> If people want other costs, they can use base cost mods for that, or parameters :-P 14:38:24 <andythenorth> and for some reason my ship costs are currently all wrong 14:38:28 <ZirconiumX> cost multiplier param? 14:38:30 <planetmaker> andythenorth, yes, but one parameter must always be "matches default" 14:38:39 <andythenorth> I recently reset them right, now they are wrong again in my game 14:38:47 * andythenorth must have changed a difficulty setting somewhere 14:38:49 <planetmaker> and IMHO "best" is to match default by default :-P 14:38:55 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:39:05 <ZirconiumX> Hmm 14:39:08 <planetmaker> of course they vary by the difficulty setting, sure 14:39:42 <ZirconiumX> and what about salty deposits on the harbour? 14:39:46 <planetmaker> andythenorth, because, if every newgrf has its own defaults, that may be reasonable from one newgrf's perspective. But not from a player who wants to use several newgrfs of the same type 14:39:46 <andythenorth> maybe 14:39:49 <ZirconiumX> from the seawater 14:39:54 <andythenorth> planetmaker: known issue yes /no ? 14:39:59 <andythenorth> cost parameter... 14:40:10 <planetmaker> uhm, what about it? 14:40:15 <planetmaker> doesn't fish have one? 14:40:20 <andythenorth> Not yet 14:40:23 <planetmaker> he 14:40:25 *** Mazur [~mazur@53550C29.cm-6-6a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:40:31 <ZirconiumX> :) 14:40:32 <planetmaker> it should get one 14:40:35 <andythenorth> I have minimal objection to making the default match default vehicles 14:40:39 <andythenorth> planetmaker: there's a ticket for it :P 14:40:43 <planetmaker> :-) 14:40:44 <andythenorth> you went hiking 14:40:46 <andythenorth> instead 14:40:50 <planetmaker> :-D 14:40:55 <andythenorth> seemed odd, but you must have your fun I suppose :P 14:41:08 <planetmaker> me? 14:41:24 <andythenorth> yup 14:41:26 *** Lakie [~Lakie@82.153.211.108] has joined #openttd 14:41:33 * ZirconiumX goes off to do some demonstartion 14:41:35 <planetmaker> must be a pretty old ticket, I recon 14:41:56 <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2160 14:42:11 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 14:44:31 <planetmaker> what's your reservation against matching default vehicles? 14:45:07 <andythenorth> not a lot 14:45:13 <andythenorth> it's just a change of attitude 14:45:16 <andythenorth> I can live with it 14:45:18 <planetmaker> :-) 14:45:37 <andythenorth> people like pikka and mb and zephyris have made grfs that adjust the gameplay according to their vision 14:45:42 <andythenorth> especially wrt costs etc 14:45:47 <planetmaker> Well, previously I also rather matched Pikka's costs / run costs (which is 0 / +2) - but overall, that's probably not the best approach 14:45:54 <andythenorth> matching default costs for ships and rvs is not optimal 14:46:01 *** Twerkhoven [~turbulent@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 14:46:04 <andythenorth> ships and rvs are crippled in the original game 14:46:10 <andythenorth> which is fine, because it's a train game :P 14:46:12 <planetmaker> are they? 14:46:21 <andythenorth> I find them very hard to make money with 14:46:27 <andythenorth> it's an assertion, unevidenced 14:46:48 <planetmaker> the AIs contradict at least the RV theory 14:47:02 *** Lakie [~Lakie@82.153.211.108] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:47:02 <planetmaker> some of the most successful ones only use RVs 14:47:03 <andythenorth> although my response has been to make FISH much more expensive than defaults, so my argument may have gaping holes int 14:47:14 <planetmaker> and ships usually make a good profit when I use them 14:47:23 <andythenorth> well I may be plain wrong 14:47:25 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.182.246] has joined #openttd 14:47:27 <andythenorth> it happens 14:47:36 <planetmaker> of course it does happen :-) 14:47:39 <andythenorth> and yes, matching defaults is not a bad idea 14:47:48 <andythenorth> it has the benefit of being simple and consisteny 14:47:51 <andythenorth> t /s 14:47:54 <planetmaker> But default ships with default industries... usually are in for good money. Like oil from rig to refinery 14:48:12 * ZirconiumX has probably ruined a sprite - in order to show something 14:48:12 *** belyugasnotthere [belugas@204.101.218.194] has joined #openttd 14:48:29 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:48:48 <planetmaker> andythenorth, sure enought the grf should always have the option to adjust also itself to match other than default levels, no doubt. I won't and don't want to argue there about that need 14:48:57 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 14:49:01 <planetmaker> especially as there are so many different cost levels already :S 14:49:07 *** belyugasnotthere is now known as Belugas 14:49:14 <andythenorth> I think we know the winning answer ;) 14:49:15 <planetmaker> which all claim to be "I solve the economy thing" 14:49:19 <planetmaker> yup :-P 14:49:33 <andythenorth> I am currently using 1/4 costs for HEQS in my game :P 14:49:37 <andythenorth> and I made the damn thing 14:49:45 <planetmaker> :-D 14:50:06 <planetmaker> Maybe I should start again trying to convince DJN that default costs should not be insane ;-) 14:50:19 <planetmaker> he has like +3/+2 or so 14:50:33 <planetmaker> it's only usable with giant maps 14:50:48 <planetmaker> the larger the map -> the larger the costs and run costs may be 14:51:24 <andythenorth> I liked your idea of trying to balance against sets automatically 14:51:38 <andythenorth> but it would be troubling to implement 14:51:47 <andythenorth> a better way might be for suggested values 14:51:57 <planetmaker> yes, I haven't forgotten it. And to some degree... it is feasible. Also with a default of 0/0 cost settings 14:51:58 <andythenorth> maybe in the description, or readme 14:52:13 <planetmaker> that could well be done additionally 14:52:37 <planetmaker> and would give some real value to the readme 14:53:20 * andythenorth wishes there was an agreed standard for setting costs 14:53:26 <andythenorth> but there's no way to figure one out 14:53:30 <andythenorth> nor will we all agree 14:53:43 <andythenorth> nor does that make good gameplay 14:53:46 <andythenorth> something like cost / ton 14:53:53 <andythenorth> cost / ton mile 14:54:02 <andythenorth> but the results wouldn't be useful 14:54:56 <planetmaker> you need to figure at least also speed 14:55:06 * ZirconiumX has ruined a sprite 14:55:07 <ZirconiumX> http://www.thelumpit.net/something.png 14:55:18 <ZirconiumX> something like that for salty deposits 14:55:21 <ZirconiumX> ? 14:55:53 <andythenorth> grime! slime! salt! sea dogs! 14:55:55 <andythenorth> I'll consider it 14:56:21 <andythenorth> tropic buildings have mildew :) 14:56:27 <andythenorth> maybe there's a case 14:56:32 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC20C2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:56:33 * ZirconiumX runs andythenorth-ish to english translator 14:56:33 <andythenorth> I'd rather have a frozen sea 14:56:42 <andythenorth> you'll be lucky 14:56:46 <andythenorth> I'm english english 14:56:47 <ZirconiumX> I'll consider it = It's hopeless 14:56:52 <andythenorth> so I don't speak the language 14:57:27 <ZirconiumX> it is though 14:57:31 <ZirconiumX> IMO 14:57:47 <andythenorth> put it in the FIRS thread, see what others say 14:58:57 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC5601.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:00:50 <ZirconiumX> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=41607&p=942748#p942748 15:00:57 <ZirconiumX> now we wait 15:01:08 <ZirconiumX> for everyone to laugh at me :( 15:01:30 <andythenorth> or not ;) 15:01:41 *** Belugas [belugas@204.101.218.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:02:39 <ZirconiumX> Well - I've *ruined* your sprite - and rushed it beyond any vain hope of it looking good 15:03:09 <andythenorth> it's ok 15:03:12 <andythenorth> I have backups :P 15:04:55 <ZirconiumX> lol 15:05:10 <ZirconiumX> [CHIPS development thread] MAYO, KETCHUP, SALT + VINEGAR 15:05:29 <ZirconiumX> I'm more a WORCESTER SAUCE myself 15:08:53 <SmatZ> why "hopeless" sprite? 15:09:46 <ZirconiumX> because I am a feeble drawer 15:10:00 <ZirconiumX> and the salt looks way too bright 15:10:14 <ZirconiumX> and I've drawn it in the wrong place 15:10:19 <SmatZ> I don't see any salt there 15:10:30 <ZirconiumX> my sprite 15:10:42 <ZirconiumX> look at the original 15:10:48 <ZirconiumX> and then look at mine 15:11:08 <ZirconiumX> you should see that there are white spots 15:11:11 <ZirconiumX> that's me 15:11:19 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-58-51.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 15:11:31 <SmatZ> ok :) 15:12:38 <planetmaker> hm, andythenorth do fishing harbours require water or really sea? 15:12:56 <planetmaker> if it's "only" water, there's indeed a case for snowy harbours: on lakes ;-) 15:14:48 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 15:18:12 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-58-51.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:18:40 <andythenorth> planetmaker: that is a point of pain 15:18:45 <andythenorth> as I have no control over that anyway 15:18:55 <andythenorth> (it's that partially fixed location bug from a few months back) 15:19:11 <andythenorth> 'water tile' is not a very specific thing for newgrfs 15:21:10 <ZirconiumX> LOL 15:21:22 <ZirconiumX> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=51515#p916696 15:21:43 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A14E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:21:47 <ZirconiumX> 7th lne 15:21:54 <ZirconiumX> Line 15:22:11 <ZirconiumX> To add to the list, let's remind that holding s*** while drawing a line makes it vertical/horizontal/ 45° angled. 15:23:00 <ZirconiumX> he misspelt shift to *AHEM* 15:24:04 *** st-3107 [foobar@188.140.26.83] has joined #openttd 15:26:57 *** st-3107 [foobar@188.140.26.83] has quit [] 15:33:47 *** st-3307 [foobar@188.140.26.83] has joined #openttd 15:34:20 *** st-3307 [foobar@188.140.26.83] has quit [] 15:34:32 *** st-3326 [foobar@188.140.26.83] has joined #openttd 15:34:56 *** st-3326 [foobar@188.140.26.83] has quit [] 15:35:10 <planetmaker> andythenorth, well, 'water' is not very specific. But IMHO it isn't wrong either to allow harbours on lakes ;-) 15:36:55 <planetmaker> but I do understand the 'need' to get more specific feed-back 15:41:08 <andythenorth> planetmaker: bbl on this ;) 15:45:05 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.237] has joined #openttd 15:45:08 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 15:49:59 *** staN [~Miranda@p5B176542.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:51:20 *** Absurd-Mind [~peter@p5495936C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:56:22 *** ZirconiumX [561b9caa@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 15:59:09 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.169.88] has joined #openttd 16:12:07 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 16:13:26 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fce70.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:19:10 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 16:22:03 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED2BEAE.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:22:29 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e061cc4.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 16:24:18 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC5601.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 16:24:26 *** amkoroew1 [~Heinz@p5B1074F0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:26:17 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@524B73C2.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:27:15 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 16:30:07 *** amkoroew [~Heinz@p5B102EDB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:34:37 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.182.246] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 16:35:41 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED2BEAE.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:40:13 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-220-130.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 16:40:29 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED2BEAE.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:41:08 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-220-130.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [] 16:41:25 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-220-130.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 16:50:52 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED2BEAE.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:57:43 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED2BEAE.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:03:56 <andythenorth> favour 17:04:19 <andythenorth> can anyone ping 213.133.67.181 and see if packets are lost? 17:04:50 <supermop> i have no idea how to do that 17:04:54 <Mazur> Does not seem like it. 17:05:29 <Mazur> over 40 successful so far. 17:05:41 <andythenorth> thanks 17:05:43 <andythenorth> anyone else? 17:05:50 <Mazur> 70 17:06:05 <andythenorth> Mazur: what's your location (country is close enough)? 17:06:06 <Mazur> 75 packets transmitted, 71 received, 5% packet loss, time 75042ms 17:06:09 <Mazur> NL 17:06:22 <andythenorth> thanks 17:06:23 <Mazur> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 23.147/28.131/70.788/6.034 ms 17:06:43 <Mazur> np 17:12:38 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:14:56 <Hendikins> I can't help but think I should be using a dedicated server right now. I've got a game that keeps moving between my desktop and laptop. 17:17:27 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.237] has quit [Quit: On snow, everyone can follow your traces] 17:19:39 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 17:20:02 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.180.246] has joined #openttd 17:25:13 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.169.88] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:31:51 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 17:35:39 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.237] has joined #openttd 17:35:42 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 17:43:49 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:45:03 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:48:20 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r22354 /trunk/src/lang/ (8 files): (log message trimmed) 17:48:20 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:48:20 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: czech - 3 changes by SmatZ 17:48:20 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: dutch - 1 changes by habell 17:48:20 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: finnish - 1 changes by jpx_ 17:48:22 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: italian - 1 changes by lorenzodv 17:48:22 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: russian - 1 changes by Lone_Wolf 17:51:24 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-5d823a76.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:55:07 *** DDR [~DDR@d142-179-79-208.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 17:56:31 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-d9ba660f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:03:57 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 18:06:15 *** Absurd-Mind [~peter@p5495936C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:09:04 *** michi_cc [~michi@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Quit: michi_cc] 18:10:07 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.237] has joined #openttd 18:10:10 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 18:12:06 *** michi_cc [~michi@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 18:12:09 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 18:12:35 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-d9ba660f.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:14:38 <andythenorth> how many menu groups in a station set is ideal? 18:14:41 <andythenorth> more? 18:14:42 <andythenorth> or less? 18:16:18 <SmatZ> more or less 18:16:42 <SmatZ> I think more groups is better 18:16:51 <SmatZ> if the stations are split logically 18:21:16 * Hendikins ponders how hard it would be to have a wait for full load of specific cargo, for when dealing with say, passenger jets. 18:22:06 <__ln__> not realistic; the passengers would complain 18:22:10 <SmatZ> aircraft always wait only for full pax, afaik 18:22:24 <SmatZ> even when set to "full load" 18:24:00 <Hendikins> SmatZ: I've found they'll take off with zero pax and full mail. 18:24:34 <Hendikins> I'd rather have them wait for full passengers irrespective of mail loaded (and whack on a couple of aircraft refitted for mail to soak that cargo up) 18:25:23 <Hendikins> It would also be applicable to mixed trains, etc. 18:25:25 <SmatZ> Hendikins: even when you set it to "full load"? (not "full load any") 18:25:29 <SmatZ> but yeah 18:25:40 <SmatZ> maybe there's a feature request for that somewhere 18:26:08 <Hendikins> SmatZ: Full load waits for mail too. 18:26:13 <SmatZ> hmhm 18:29:33 <Hendikins> Both behaviours are what I would expect (wait for full load of any one cargo or both), but not what I'd be after. 18:32:35 <dihedral> "We will ask for your FTP credentials and automatically transfer the latest stable ocPortal to your server over an encrypted connection." <- LOL 18:34:37 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 18:42:14 *** st-4157 [foobar@188.140.26.83] has joined #openttd 18:44:58 *** st-4157 [foobar@188.140.26.83] has quit [] 18:46:49 <Eddi|zuHause> <andythenorth> I don't know how long TTD production took <-- the TTO manual had a section on game development, but i don't have it anymore... i lost it a long time ago 18:47:20 <andythenorth> if I tried I could probably find out 18:47:33 <andythenorth> the guy who fixed my windows used to work at microprose 18:47:43 <andythenorth> :P 18:47:50 <andythenorth> such a glamorous life I lead 18:47:54 <supermop> oooh 18:48:43 <supermop> thinking of micropose makes me think of the red micropose logo fading in over the TTO theme 18:49:00 <andythenorth> makes me think of the chipping sodbury mop dance 18:49:01 <supermop> such an awesome song 18:55:30 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:59:08 <Terkhen> :) 19:01:37 <__ln__> anyone been following the news about the election in finland? 19:05:32 <supermop> vaugley 19:06:23 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 19:07:39 <Prof_Frink> andythenorth: I believe this is an accurate account of the development process: http://nylon.net/ttd/bible/bible.htm 19:09:05 <andythenorth> ho 19:09:08 <andythenorth> probably 19:21:49 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 19:24:18 <andythenorth> I have YAPF for my ships 19:24:33 <andythenorth> doesn't solve an issue with silly ships though :) 19:24:42 <andythenorth> ship in a closed body of water 19:24:57 <andythenorth> trying to route to a depot in another body of water, land separated 19:24:58 *** Twerkhoven[L] [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:25:09 <andythenorth> there is no valid route to that depot 19:25:17 <andythenorth> but it tries anyway :P 19:25:39 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC5601.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:30:18 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:34:40 <Eddi|zuHause> i do remember this paragraph in the manual where he talked about "coding an AI that makes sensible routes" :p 19:36:18 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-d9ba660f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:39:25 *** Westie [~westie@46.166.131.90] has joined #openttd 19:49:34 *** DDR [~DDR@d142-179-79-208.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:53:41 <andythenorth> bye 19:53:43 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 20:01:19 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-24-43-187.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:04:18 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:06:29 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 20:09:38 *** NOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-58-51.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 20:13:48 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fce70.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:14:06 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A14E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:16:48 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-58-51.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:18:16 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 20:30:33 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [] 20:40:51 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [Quit: Mutant Co-Op - C&C Renegade] 20:42:32 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-d9ba660f.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:45:04 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 20:51:08 *** sllide [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 20:51:37 <yorick> s/compiler/assembler/ 21:03:00 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 21:11:12 *** staN [~Miranda@p5B176542.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:22:48 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-24-43-187.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:27:49 *** ar3k [~ident@ecn206.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 21:33:06 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:34:06 *** DanMacK [~cebf4595@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 21:35:11 *** ar3kaw [~ident@ebp92.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:35:45 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A14E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:36:48 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-5d823a76.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us!] 21:51:22 *** sllide [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:51:40 *** TheMask96 [martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:53:32 *** Twerkhoven[L] [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into] 21:58:15 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-178-004-189-196.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Python is way too complicated... I prefer doing it quickly in C.] 22:01:33 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-220-130.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:08:06 *** Twerkhoven [~turbulent@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into] 22:08:31 *** TheMask96 [martijn@pride.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 22:10:04 *** NOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-58-51.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:10:17 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 22:10:25 <andythenorth> evenings 22:11:02 <SmatZ> because two evenings are better than one! 22:13:13 <andythenorth> if I could have two evenings for the price of one, I would be happy 22:13:25 *** Buhb [none@cpe-098-024-079-178.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 22:15:49 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has left #openttd [] 22:20:18 <Terkhen> good night 22:25:31 <SmatZ> good night Terkhen 22:29:52 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.179.235] has joined #openttd 22:33:31 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:35:11 *** TheMask96- [martijn@pride.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 22:39:29 <Wolf01> 'night all 22:39:32 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host41-233-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:42:11 *** TheMask96 [martijn@pride.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:45:32 *** TheMask96 [martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 22:47:46 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:48:20 *** pikka [~yaaic@120.17.109.241] has joined #openttd 22:51:22 <pikka> gentlemen 22:51:37 *** TheMask96- [martijn@pride.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:54:00 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC5601.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 22:54:59 <SmatZ> we got signal 22:58:24 <pikka> I see the briefcase is still safe, actually. :) 22:58:40 <pikka> but main screen turn on works too. 23:01:12 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 23:07:06 *** TheMask96- [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 23:07:45 <pikka> I'm tired 23:08:12 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:08:18 <pikka> only 9.5 hours til I can go home D: 23:08:54 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:12:06 *** TheMask97- [martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 23:12:41 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 23:14:05 *** TheMask96 [martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:17:27 *** TheMask96- [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:19:14 <Lakie> My reply ok pikka? 'tis a little vague on the specifics but should point him in the right direction? 23:19:31 * Belugas supports your pain, pikka 23:19:55 <Lakie> About putting random bits of code together and hoping? 23:20:19 *** TheMask96 [martijn@pride.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 23:20:28 <Belugas> always pray when adding random bits of code... and compile first! 23:20:36 <Lakie> Hehe 23:20:41 <Belugas> ...look who is talking :S 23:21:07 <Lakie> To be fair, I've been hoping that those two would start trying to undertand the concepts they are using. 23:21:43 <Lakie> Well, I stick random bits of code in at times, but I always make an effort to understand what its doing... 23:21:54 <Lakie> Otherwise its effectively useless. :) 23:22:00 *** Absurd-Mind [~peter@p5495936C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:22:46 <Belugas> quite :) 23:23:34 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe21dc00-138.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 23:24:03 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 23:25:19 *** TheMask96- [martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 23:25:32 *** TheMask97- [martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:28:28 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:29:36 *** TheMask96 [martijn@pride.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:35:57 * Belugas goes down and starts the TV-wife time :) 23:36:35 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 23:41:34 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:42:47 *** TheMask96 [martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 23:46:25 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-81-33.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 23:48:57 *** TheMask96- [martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:50:04 <pikka> having a tv wife must be good :) 23:52:10 <DanMacK> lol 23:56:14 *** TheMask96- [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 23:58:57 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit []