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<andythenorth> morening 07:27:36 <Markk> Moin. 07:29:35 * andythenorth is sad that providing service to towns destroys them 07:30:39 <Markk> Why's that? 07:31:10 <andythenorth> increases the chance of rebuilding existing houses 07:31:54 <andythenorth> large buildings are typically rebuilt to smaller, or parks 07:32:04 <Markk> hm? 07:32:05 <Markk> srsly+ 07:32:07 <andythenorth> my 2,400 pop. city is now 1,400 07:32:07 <Markk> ?* 07:36:06 *** afk [Dream@92.18.104.30] has joined #openttd 07:37:15 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 07:40:10 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host217-44-165-57.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:43:45 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dream@92.18.104.30] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:49:01 <Terkhen> good morning 07:58:29 <Mazur> Good 08:03:50 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host217-44-51-34.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 08:13:02 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 08:18:18 *** 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feudalism it's your count that votes. - Mogens Jallberg] 09:07:29 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19B45.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:19:34 * andythenorth ponders 09:19:47 <andythenorth> if a ship has 2.5 crew (for running cost purposes)....who's the 0.5? 09:24:43 <planetmaker> the unborn child of the captain's wife 09:25:00 <andythenorth> the parrot? 09:25:04 <andythenorth> ship's cat? 09:25:07 <andythenorth> n rats 09:25:12 <andythenorth> cabin boy 09:26:58 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.130.59] has joined #openttd 09:27:48 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host217-44-51-34.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has left #openttd [] 09:35:22 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 09:39:07 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host41-233-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 09:39:29 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:40:06 <Wolf01> hello 09:44:27 *** pugi 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[~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 10:27:45 <peter1139> hurr 10:27:55 <peter1139> i'm plays with YACD, TAI and FIRS 10:27:57 <peter1139> *playing 10:28:06 <peter1139> not many passengers with TAI :p 10:28:29 <andythenorth> you should get some more acronyms 10:30:44 <peter1139> yes 10:30:46 <peter1139> also 10:30:48 *** peter1139 is now known as peter1138 10:31:07 <andythenorth> I will sell you acronyms for 1 dollar 10:31:08 <andythenorth> silver 10:33:18 <peter1138> aw crap, my vehicles are driving on the right :( 10:33:24 <peter1138> forgot to change that setting :( 10:33:57 <peter1138> hmm, can i change it if i send all RVs to depots? 10:34:17 <planetmaker> not afaik. zero vehicles required 10:34:35 <peter1138> poopy 10:34:40 <peter1138> planetmaker, implement it! 10:34:53 <peter1138> NewRoadVehicleSide! 10:35:34 <planetmaker> Driving right is right :-P 10:38:56 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Remote 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documented somewhere, either on the wiki or in a README file (or something similar) in the sources 12:46:28 <KopjeKoffie> yes, http://wiki.openttd.org/Microsoft_Visual_C%2B%2B_2008_Express_Editions 12:46:50 <KopjeKoffie> but i have never word with Visual studio 2010 12:47:05 <__ln__> "have never word"? 12:47:26 <Eddi|zuHause> KopjeKoffie: have you checked this? http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=54292 12:49:00 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host217-44-51-34.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 12:49:18 * andythenorth points and waves 12:49:29 <KopjeKoffie> thanks Eddi|zuHause, i will read that 12:49:36 <andythenorth> adjusting the units for engineering supplies might really be a good idea 12:49:37 <andythenorth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=943975#p943975 12:49:39 <KopjeKoffie> word --> worked, sorry 12:52:23 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [Quit: Mutant Co-Op - C&C Renegade] 12:56:54 *** fonsinchen 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[~mark@rikskriminalpolisen.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:41:10 *** Markk [~mark@rikskriminalpolisen.com] has joined #openttd 13:41:30 <delexi> Is there anyone here who has experience with the openttd port for NDS ? 13:42:01 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc274d.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:42:23 <delexi> I am looking for an explanation on how to use the nds port with an emulator like NO§GBA 13:42:58 <delexi> anyone there who could give me some help with that? 13:43:01 <Ammler> delexi: there are wiki pages and forums threads about, did you check those? 13:43:02 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:1557:fedf:afab:a30f] has joined #openttd 13:43:05 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx_] by ChanServ 13:45:52 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:1557:fedf:afab:a30f] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:47:37 <delexi> i found the wiki side of the nds port, but all instructions listed there apply to the use of a Card with the Nintendo DS. I followed those instructions as i thought they maybe would work for me too, but they didn't. I always get following error msg: "[Error:]Couldn't open config file. Please copy openttd.cfg to the root directory."" 13:49:00 <planetmaker> did you try to follow that error message? 13:50:14 <delexi> well, the openttd.cfg file is in the same directory as the openttd.nds 13:50:25 <delexi> as i considered that to be the root directory 13:50:57 <peter1138> damn, i made a loss :( 13:51:06 *** Juo [~Juo@cpc16-lewi15-2-0-cust395.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 13:51:13 <peter1138> would've been a profit, without the loan interest :S 13:51:36 <Juo> im so glad openttd is being built for OS X again :D 13:51:54 <planetmaker> delexi: I'd consider the dir where openttd binary is created the root dir 13:54:03 <delexi> what do you mean with "openttd binaries" ? When do i have to create binaries when i want to play openttd on the NDS? I thought my rom (openttd.nds) are my binaries. 13:54:42 <planetmaker> I mean whatever is the equivalent of openttd.exe or openttd 13:55:18 <planetmaker> from my brief look at some of these ports I seem to recall that insided these files like nds there are the dirs of the bundle 13:55:25 <planetmaker> but I don't really know them 13:56:18 <planetmaker> you might consider also changing the config path to something which is writable 13:56:26 <planetmaker> Usually OpenTTD creates a config file upon startup 13:57:12 <delexi> well after extracting the zip i had the a directory with following content: data/ openttd.nds openttd.cfg 13:58:23 <delexi> the openttd dir is on my Desktop, so this should be writable i think 13:58:57 <planetmaker> ./configure --personal-dir=<dir> 13:59:22 <planetmaker> are you sure your desktop is writable and the proper path for your emulator? 14:00:02 <planetmaker> anyway, I've never even tried to compile for a console or phone device. So... 14:02:12 <delexi> well i started the emulation with administrator privileges and it still cant find the config file, so i guess it has nothing to do with write access. 14:02:27 <delexi> btw i'm on a win7 machine 14:02:40 *** afk [Dream@92.18.104.30] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 14:02:50 <delexi> so i guess "./configure --personal-dir=<dir>" wont work, will it? 14:04:45 <peter1138> hmm, i suppose i could cheat by making large catchment areas 14:04:52 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dream@92.18.120.91] has joined #openttd 14:06:41 *** Absurd-Mind [~peter@p54959145.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:06:56 <planetmaker> delexi: the question is rather "what is the root dir for an nds device / file" 14:07:01 <planetmaker> you'll have to figure out that 14:07:49 <delexi> yeah possibly 14:08:20 <planetmaker> and configuring with a different than default personal dir might circumvent that problem. Maybe not 14:11:23 <delexi> how do i change my personal dir? 14:14:40 <Eddi|zuHause> man... i need a proper timetable-and-separation gui... !!! 14:15:21 <Eddi|zuHause> manually setting timetables and start dates for each vehicle (in the right order!) is a pain, when you have 15 trams on one line... 14:27:16 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:1557:fedf:afab:a30f] has joined #openttd 14:27:20 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 14:28:32 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:1557:fedf:afab:a30f] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:34:59 <Belugas> hello 14:37:10 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:48:14 *** robotx [~robotx@141-70-75-133.user.wh-stuttgart.de] has joined #openttd 14:49:27 <Eddi|zuHause> *mental note* don't use "light blue" as colour for ships :p 14:55:32 <planetmaker> :-) 14:55:52 *** delexi [~delexi@p508FD937.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 14:56:54 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 15:03:11 * Rubidium agrees on the timetable thingy 15:05:36 <KopjeKoffie> sow, I have the setup complete of Visual studio 2010, imported the project, en chanced the settings like: http://wiki.openttd.org/User:Roujin/Microsoft_Visual_C%2B%2B_2010 15:06:14 <KopjeKoffie> But when ik build the project i get this: http://pastebin.com/eCb74iyA 15:06:26 <KopjeKoffie> ik = I 15:07:40 <Hirundo> Did you setup all the correct libraries and did you add them to the MSVC search path? 15:09:06 <KopjeKoffie> http://wiki.openttd.org/User:Roujin/Microsoft_Visual_C%2B%2B_2010#Setup 15:09:10 <KopjeKoffie> that? 15:10:23 <KopjeKoffie> of course, but i will check it again 15:13:48 <Hirundo> winmm.lib seems related to the music (midi) playback 15:15:40 *** Doorslammer [770b1180@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:15:41 <Eddi|zuHause> someone should take a look whether the warnings are real 15:16:29 <KopjeKoffie> ah, i have found the WIN32_ENABLE_DIRECTMUSIC_SUPPORT thing 15:16:59 <KopjeKoffie> I delete it, en now i am building openttd again 15:17:01 <Hirundo> it's a cargodist build, I guess those (cargopacket stuff) are not in trunk 15:17:47 <Eddi|zuHause> Hirundo: well, then "someone" is fonsinchen... 15:18:58 <KopjeKoffie> oke, and what does that mean? 15:19:15 <Eddi|zuHause> KopjeKoffie: nothing yet. don't worry ;) 15:21:02 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc274d.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:26:31 <Hirundo> Eddi|zuHause: I posted them to the forum 15:28:27 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@027c9fee.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 15:31:40 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.179.179] has joined #openttd 15:33:05 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 15:33:32 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc274d.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:35:45 *** Juo [~Juo@cpc16-lewi15-2-0-cust395.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Juo] 15:35:55 *** welshdragon is now known as yellowdragon 15:36:21 *** yellowdragon is now known as browndragon 15:36:41 *** browndragon is now known as Welshdragon 15:38:25 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.178.151] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:38:30 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 15:39:25 *** Welshdragon is now known as welshdragon 15:40:02 *** Juo [~Juo@cpc16-lewi15-2-0-cust395.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:51:50 *** Juo [~Juo@cpc16-lewi15-2-0-cust395.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Juo] 15:52:55 *** ZirconiumX [561b9caa@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:53:17 <ZirconiumX> Hello all 16:00:37 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-107-36.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 16:01:22 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:06:15 *** sllide [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 16:12:20 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:15:24 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 16:25:17 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [Quit: Mutant Co-Op - C&C Renegade] 16:28:19 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-161-134.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 16:31:30 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 16:32:33 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [] 16:32:56 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 16:34:49 <ZirconiumX> Devs 16:35:05 <ZirconiumX> I have an ai - which has died and been sold to me 16:35:29 <ZirconiumX> the company square it had - is still red 16:36:43 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 16:38:44 <LordAro> a picture speaks better than words... 16:38:59 <Terkhen> or a bug report including screenshots and steps to reproduce :) 16:42:20 <planetmaker> or a same-coloured AI started anew ;-) 16:56:45 *** robotx [~robotx@141-70-75-133.user.wh-stuttgart.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:57:32 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC321D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:02:49 *** sla_ro|vista [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 17:05:12 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:07:55 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 17:11:11 <ZirconiumX> Steps to reproduce 17:11:34 <ZirconiumX> create a 'basic' ai - that dies 17:11:48 <ZirconiumX> let the ai die 17:11:59 <Terkhen> if you don't write a proper bug report at the tracker it will probably get forgotten 17:12:46 <ZirconiumX> the square on the ai debug panel should be red 17:13:02 <ZirconiumX> a faint red though 17:15:08 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 17:17:52 <planetmaker> and when you're at it, make it easy to reproduce, give us an AI which does what you want it to do in order to re-create the problem 17:21:23 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:25:17 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19B45.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:27:20 <Belugas> suicidal AI 17:27:30 <Belugas> guaranteed to die! 17:28:26 <ZirconiumX> as I put 17:29:03 <ZirconiumX> <info> The world's most *USELESS* AI has started 17:29:10 <ZirconiumX> <warning> Beware. 17:31:05 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC321D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 17:32:04 *** robotx [~robotx@141-70-75-133.user.wh-stuttgart.de] has joined #openttd 17:32:35 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d009680.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:34:22 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 17:37:08 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC321D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:38:55 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.8.73.122] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:39:44 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.8.73.122] has joined #openttd 17:40:40 <ZirconiumX> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/4602 17:40:53 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has joined #openttd 17:47:38 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.8.73.122] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:48:28 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.8.73.122] has joined #openttd 17:50:06 <SmatZ> hmm @ FS#4602 17:50:11 <SmatZ> I knew about that bug 17:50:15 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.8.73.122] has quit [] 17:50:20 <SmatZ> then I fixed it... at least I thought I did :) 17:50:23 <SmatZ> and then I forgot :) 17:50:44 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 17:51:29 <planetmaker> he 17:52:42 <SmatZ> heh... I was in Marrakech ~two weeks ago... on the very same square, where today a bomb exploded, killing ~11 people :P (me on the square = http://zlysen.rajce.idnes.cz/Maroko_9-11.4.2011/#DSC_0077.jpg ) 17:54:28 <ZirconiumX> SmatZ: I don't consider that funny 17:54:35 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-107-36.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 17:54:46 <ZirconiumX> 11 people = :( 17:54:51 <planetmaker> he... 17:54:55 <SmatZ> even 14, maybe 17:55:06 <SmatZ> nobody can find that funny, imo 17:55:18 * ZirconiumX pushes the sad smily to his limits 17:56:11 *** KouDy [~KouDy@elite.atlastelecom.ro] has joined #openttd 18:00:12 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-107-36.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:04:17 *** APTX [APTX@89-77-188-241.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:05:54 *** APTX [APTX@89-77-188-241.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 18:15:21 *** robotx [~robotx@141-70-75-133.user.wh-stuttgart.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:15:46 *** robotx [~robotx@141-70-75-133.user.wh-stuttgart.de] has joined #openttd 18:16:52 <frosch123> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=944018#p944018 <- is someone able to translate that to english? :p 18:18:09 <ZirconiumX> frosch123: no - but I can translate it to Gibberish - no wait- it already is Gibberish 18:19:27 * DanMacK gives up 18:22:07 *** Doorslammer [770b1180@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 18:22:43 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.8.73.122] has joined #openttd 18:24:59 *** Doorslammer [770b1180@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 18:29:32 <planetmaker> I also tried and failed 18:30:23 <Zuu> Can MSVC Express use crash.dmp? 18:31:12 *** Doorslammer [770b1180@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 18:32:09 <Eddi|zuHause> he's trying to double (read: building a second next to it) the industry, and it's costing 0, but nothing appears? 18:33:19 <ZirconiumX> That - I wouldn't call a bug 18:33:56 <__ln__> Zuu: i think it can. 18:34:28 <Eddi|zuHause> Zuu: the build must have a .pdb file 18:34:48 *** ZirconiumX [561b9caa@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 18:35:20 <Zuu> Eddi|zuHause: I have both the project that built OpenTTD and the pdb file that was produced when building OpenTTD. 18:35:50 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't actually know any further than this :p 18:35:53 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 18:36:22 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 18:37:42 <Zuu> I can double-click the .dmp file and it opens in MSVC and I can even hit "Run" and it will try to run the dmp file in some way. 18:39:05 <planetmaker> Zuu: you need the exact same version as the crash.dmp in order to get sensible output (just telling) 18:40:05 <Zuu> I do have the exact corresponding openttd.pdb file. :-) 18:40:32 <Zuu> Still I don't make sense of the express version or how to obtain the call stack. 18:40:40 *** APTX [APTX@89-77-188-241.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Quit: Farewell] 18:40:46 *** APTX [~APTX@89-77-188-241.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 18:41:48 <Belugas> Mmmh... that Digitals guy... quite interesting reading... makes me wnder which country he is from... 18:42:07 *** APTX [~APTX@89-77-188-241.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [] 18:42:10 *** APTX [APTX@89-77-188-241.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 18:43:10 <planetmaker> he's not stupid, at least it seems so. But it remains to be seen how quickly he'll find his way around ;-) 18:45:23 <Rubidium> Zuu: express can do it, as glx used to be able to get traces with his express version 18:47:03 <Zuu> Ok, I guess I have to find the documentation of it. 18:47:03 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 18:47:14 <Rubidium> Zuu: try putting the crash.dmp, pdb and exe in the same directory (with nothing else) 18:47:32 <Rubidium> then open the crash.dmp and hit run. That should resolve the exe and pdb (I think) 18:47:43 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 18:48:07 <Rubidium> although... if it's doing automatic symbol resolution it might take a *long* time the first time as it fetches a lot of data from Microsoft regarding the dlls that were loaded at the time 18:49:08 <Rubidium> and while doing that it's proud to say it's done/finished while it's downloading the next one or something 18:49:21 <Zuu> Hmm, I think I got it now. 18:49:22 <Rubidium> and long is something like 5 to 15 minutes 18:52:24 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 18:52:29 *** KopjeKoffie [~Maarten@c29061.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:53:02 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 18:55:57 <Belugas> no, he does not sounds like an idiot. but either his translation book is horrible, or he does not use one and he's not very good in english 18:56:00 * Belugas wonders 19:02:57 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host217-44-51-34.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:05:19 <DanMacK> Hey Andy 19:05:45 <andythenorth> hi DanMacK 19:05:46 <andythenorth> a short visit 19:05:48 <andythenorth> gtg ;) 19:09:32 <planetmaker> DanMacK: your thomas tank engine sprites are beautiful marvels :-) 19:09:59 *** Xaroth_ [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 19:11:31 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-177-164.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:11:49 <DanMacK> Thank you :) Credit goes to Pikka for the bases, I just painted them :P 19:14:23 <planetmaker> but they're again without proper palette :-( 19:17:16 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:18:42 *** sla_ro|vista [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [Quit: Mutant Co-Op - C&C Renegade] 19:21:49 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:22:14 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 19:22:25 *** KopjeKoffie [~Maarten@c29061.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 19:26:56 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@027c9fee.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:31:55 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.130.59] has quit [Quit: more listen, more understand, more know] 19:36:42 <michi_cc> Eddi|zuHause: I think I need your hacked up NewGRFs to debug your savegame, I only get lots of invalid cargo otherwise. And the catchment area sounds like a bug, there should be no change over trunk. Got a save/instructions to reproduce? 19:37:55 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC321D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 19:38:07 <DanMacK> You know what... Palette is really pissing me off 19:38:19 <DanMacK> I've NEVER had this much problem before 19:38:55 <Eddi|zuHause> michi_cc: was the same savegame, in Havelkirchen Fabrik i added a station tile in the middle of the milk-thingie in order for the cargo tram from Havelkirchen MÃŒhle to pick up manufacturing supplies 19:49:37 *** Juo [~Juo@cpc16-lewi15-2-0-cust395.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:50:02 *** Juo [~Juo@cpc16-lewi15-2-0-cust395.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 19:51:15 *** Juo [~Juo@cpc16-lewi15-2-0-cust395.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:55:22 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.130.59] has joined #openttd 19:58:22 *** Twerkhoven[L] [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:59:26 <Eddi|zuHause> michi_cc: did the attachment arrive? it isn't displayed here 19:59:52 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 20:01:41 <michi_cc> Eddi|zuHause: I got a PM, but no file 20:01:48 <Eddi|zuHause> weird 20:03:40 *** KouDy [~KouDy@elite.atlastelecom.ro] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:04:07 *** Lakie [~Lakie@82.152.250.119] has joined #openttd 20:08:44 <DanMacK> Hey Lakie 20:09:18 <Lakie> Hi DanMacK 20:15:17 *** Absurd-Mind [~peter@p54959145.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:23:54 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-178-53.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 20:35:23 *** KouDy [~KouDy@elite.atlastelecom.ro] has joined #openttd 20:37:33 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-178-53.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [] 20:44:12 <frosch123> night 20:44:16 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d009680.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:53:12 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-001-068.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Python is way too complicated... I prefer doing it quickly in C.] 20:56:13 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 20:57:09 *** sllide [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:58:30 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [] 20:58:46 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 20:58:46 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [] 20:59:02 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 20:59:14 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:02:43 <planetmaker> g'night 21:07:08 <Eddi|zuHause> man... every time i extend the tram system in one of my cities, my rail line capacity totally breaks down :p 21:13:16 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host217-44-51-34.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:15:17 <Wolf01> 'night 21:15:21 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host41-233-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:15:21 <michi_cc> Eddi|zuHause: Somehow the cached next hop data in the cargo packets of the tram wasn't properly invalidated. When I simply add and remove an order or let a vehicle share orders, it is properly invalidated. So maybe it was either already (unknowingly) fixed or you did something special. Do you still remember what you did when you changed the orders? 21:15:53 <Eddi|zuHause> michi_cc: not really 21:15:54 *** TinoDid|znc [~TinoDidri@alpha.visl.sdu.dk] has joined #openttd 21:16:44 <michi_cc> Well, with 1.1 simply adding a dummy order and then removing it again should fix your never-unloading vehicles. 21:18:34 *** TinoDidriksen [~TinoDidri@alpha.visl.sdu.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:18:34 *** TinoDid|znc is now known as TinoDidriksen 21:21:21 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:28:41 *** ar3k [~ident@ebn195.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 21:34:48 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:34:53 <Eddi|zuHause> well, i have solved it by placing an "unload and load" order at the end station 21:35:11 <Eddi|zuHause> that doesn't hurt ordinary operation 21:36:05 *** ar3kaw [~ident@ebk212.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:37:26 <michi_cc> Eddi|zuHause: I spoke too soon, there's actually a design bug in the next hop invalidation. A proper fix will have to wait for tomorrow though. 21:39:10 *** Juo [~Juo@cpc16-lewi15-2-0-cust395.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Juo] 21:41:06 *** Twerkhoven[L] [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into] 21:44:36 *** Lakie [~Lakie@82.152.250.119] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 21:45:17 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-107-36.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 21:49:32 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-107-36.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:50:16 *** DDR [~DDR@d142-179-79-208.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 21:58:34 *** perk111 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 22:04:01 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:05:52 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... on start/stop of ship in the depot, the refit button does not get properly redrawn 22:10:26 <Terkhen> good night 22:12:39 *** Intexon_ [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 22:16:09 <Eddi|zuHause> airplanes really are hopeless... 22:17:56 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dream@92.18.120.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:18:34 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:18:46 *** Intexon^ [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 22:18:48 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19B45.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:21:00 *** Intexon_ [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:25:11 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.179.179] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:25:34 *** robotx [~robotx@141-70-75-133.user.wh-stuttgart.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:25:56 *** robotx [~robotx@141-70-75-133.user.wh-stuttgart.de] has joined #openttd 22:26:43 *** robotx [~robotx@141-70-75-133.user.wh-stuttgart.de] has left #openttd [] 22:28:36 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-161-134.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [Quit: asilv] 22:36:20 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:36:59 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:37:15 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-178-53.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 22:39:25 *** APTX [APTX@89-77-188-241.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Quit: Farewell] 22:39:28 *** APTX [~APTX@89-77-188-241.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 22:46:59 *** perk111 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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