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00:00:07 <Eddi|zuHause> the limit does not apply to manual depot orders 00:00:39 <Elvang> Shouldn't they still path to one of the depots if their overdue for servicing, even if all the depots have path signals infront of them? 00:00:44 <glx> IIRC it doesn't apply to service orders either 00:00:48 <Elvang> they're* 00:01:18 <Eddi|zuHause> Elvang: no, the limit prevents them from choosing any of the depots 00:01:25 <Elvang> :( 00:01:34 <Eddi|zuHause> Elvang: just increase the limit. 00:01:44 <Elvang> On multiplayer 00:01:53 <glx> use service orders 00:02:25 <Elvang> That'd send the entire fleet to depots regardless whether they need servicing or not, wouldn't it? 00:02:43 <Eddi|zuHause> i thought you could change pathfinder limits even as client 00:02:55 <glx> no service orders are for service :) 00:03:26 <Elvang> Oh, you meant in the orders list 00:03:31 <Eddi|zuHause> Elvang: "Go To" and ctrl+click on the depot 00:03:40 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, in the orders list 00:04:37 <Elvang> Gah, so I'll have to select all my depots on this path? 00:05:28 <Eddi|zuHause> you're better off just using no path signals 00:05:35 <Eddi|zuHause> they're silly there anyway 00:05:40 <glx> http://wiki.openttd.org/Orders#Service 00:05:50 *** sllide [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:06:05 <Elvang> It opens my route up to crashes :( 00:06:31 <Eddi|zuHause> i meant: no signal at all 00:06:42 <Elvang> I know 00:06:53 <glx> depots have internal signal 00:06:57 <Elvang> :o 00:07:09 <Elvang> Didn't know that 00:10:28 <Eddi|zuHause> you know this problem when a cat leaves, and you have enough hair leftovers to build another cat? 00:11:21 <joho> oh, so THAT's how kittens are made? 00:21:49 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:27:21 <hgnmu128> exit 00:27:24 *** hgnmu128 [~hgnmu128@117.204.85.32] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 3.6.17/20110420140830]] 00:36:01 *** hgnmu128 [~hgnmu128@117.204.83.132] has joined #openttd 00:47:09 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:58:54 *** Bilge [~bilge@92.28.197.104] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:01:06 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:4de2:a145:25a8:eec3] has quit [Quit: bye] 01:04:11 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 01:05:41 *** Elvang [~Elvang@ip70-190-173-60.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Meh] 01:12:26 *** JVassie_ [~James@host-92-27-149-231.static.as13285.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:14:17 *** fjb is now known as Guest4401 01:14:18 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFD82B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:15:21 *** hgnmu128 [~hgnmu128@117.204.83.132] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 3.6.4/20110606123716]] 01:19:53 *** Democracy [~pukey@cpe12-98.sweetwaterhsa.com] has joined #openttd 01:20:21 * Democracy ***GENERAL STRIKE 6/15/11***SOLIDARITY*** 01:21:04 *** Democracy [~pukey@cpe12-98.sweetwaterhsa.com] has left #openttd [] 01:21:22 *** Democracy [~pukey@cpe12-98.sweetwaterhsa.com] has joined #openttd 01:21:56 *** Guest4401 [~frank@p5DDFEACB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:22:22 * Democracy ***GENERAL STRIKE 6/15/11***SOLIDARITY***\ 01:22:37 *** Democracy [~pukey@cpe12-98.sweetwaterhsa.com] has quit [autokilled: This host violated network policy. 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In feudalism it's your count that votes. - Mogens Jallberg] 09:22:43 *** M1cRO [~0a0a6567@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 09:26:29 <orudge> michi_cc: mmh, I'll have to see if there's something I can do to rectify that 09:32:19 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 09:44:25 *** Crong [~0a0a6567@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 09:45:56 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-088-076-110-163.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 09:46:06 <frosch123> Terkhen: planetmaker: hgnmu128 is right, there should be a page about the structure of the pages 09:46:20 <planetmaker> yes he is 09:46:41 <Terkhen> yes, but we are mostly converting old to new now 09:46:41 <frosch123> VarAction2Vehicles, Action0General and Action0(Vehicles) are already different :) 09:46:48 <Terkhen> huh, let me check :P 09:46:57 <planetmaker> :-D 09:47:09 <frosch123> Terkhen: one uses (Introduction, Properties, Comments) on toplevel 09:47:16 <frosch123> the other uses Introduction Properties, Description 09:47:22 <frosch123> and the third does not use any at all 09:47:49 <Terkhen> hmm... 09:48:03 <Terkhen> makes sense I guess 09:48:04 <Terkhen> :P 09:48:05 <frosch123> oh, Action0RoadVehicles is also different 09:48:13 <frosch123> it has no Introduction, but something else 09:48:21 <Terkhen> right now I was not thinking much on style, just on legibility 09:48:35 <Terkhen> just blind conversion of lost format 09:48:44 <planetmaker> that's what I mostly did, too 09:48:52 <planetmaker> But... Let's come up with a style 09:49:01 <Terkhen> but doing right it from the starts sounds like less headaches later :P 09:49:03 <frosch123> yes, but it is not obvious what to turn in to headings, as that works different in tiki 09:50:07 <Terkhen> the original pages did not follow the same style either, so we will need to change things as we convert 09:51:52 <planetmaker> quite. For the (already) "fixed" action0 pages I used a semi-automatic fix script 09:52:28 *** Crong [~0a0a6567@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:52:39 <planetmaker> http://devs.openttd.org/~planetmaker/patches/wikised.txt 09:52:53 <frosch123> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/273/ <- a combination of the currently used styles 09:53:01 <planetmaker> with sed -f wikised.txt filename > output 09:53:02 <frosch123> how about that? 09:53:19 *** k^^ [~k^^@users192.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 09:53:24 <planetmaker> looks good to me 09:54:10 <frosch123> "= Properties =" would be replaced by "= Syntax =" for other actions 09:54:27 <frosch123> which only states the formal syntax without description 09:55:09 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:55:35 <Terkhen> interesting script :) 09:56:29 <Terkhen> frosch123: looks nice :) 09:56:54 <frosch123> planetmaker: what does 'd' do? i only know 'D' 09:56:59 <planetmaker> delete line 09:57:08 <frosch123> that's 'D' :o 09:57:18 <planetmaker> D is a multi-line thing IIRC 09:57:25 <planetmaker> similar to N 09:57:38 <planetmaker> which deletes also... 09:57:42 <planetmaker> the D 09:57:58 <frosch123> ah, i see, same difference as p and P 09:58:04 <planetmaker> yup 09:58:07 <frosch123> D only deletes up to \n, d deletes everything 09:58:41 <planetmaker> frosch123: you seem to be somewhat proficient with multi-line, I haven't yet figured it: I need to replace \n|- by |- 09:58:50 <planetmaker> but I didn't yet manage 09:59:05 <planetmaker> and would help also quite a bit ;-) 09:59:17 <Eddi|zuHause> vi can do that ;) 09:59:32 <planetmaker> with \n = newline character 09:59:38 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 09:59:51 <planetmaker> and I do not want to type that everywhere, but it needs to be a script 10:00:17 <Eddi|zuHause> how to use vi non-interactively is left as an exercise to the reader :p 10:00:28 <planetmaker> helpful 10:00:48 <Eddi|zuHause> i always wanted to find that out, but never was in the mood to 10:01:02 <Terkhen> I guess that stuff like variational action 2 variables and action 0 properties would need their own format too 10:01:28 <frosch123> planetmaker: i guess just insert a N at the top 10:01:29 <planetmaker> Terkhen: for varaction2 the only difference to action0 is IMHO s/properties/variables/ 10:01:34 <frosch123> and replace all D with N 10:01:38 *** M1cRO [~0a0a6567@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:02:02 <planetmaker> frosch123: I don't use a D anywhere :-P 10:02:05 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: batch-vim == sed :) 10:02:06 <Terkhen> varaction2 also has a "format" field and a table explaining it 10:02:09 <frosch123> err, d with D 10:02:29 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: but sed is line-based, it would naturally have trouble with multiline-stuff 10:02:52 <frosch123> planetmaker: http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/274/ 10:02:58 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: vi is the only program i have ever found that can do 's/\n\n/\n/' 10:03:13 <Eddi|zuHause> (or similar) 10:03:22 <Alberth> it gets somewhat tricky yes :) it does have an internal buffer though 10:03:35 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: '/^$/ D' trivial 10:04:00 <Alberth> that removes more :) 10:04:27 <frosch123> you want to exactly half the empty lines? :p 10:05:51 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: i meant this as the smallest example i could think of. there are more complicated ones i tried to do in the past 10:06:16 <Eddi|zuHause> and i couldn't get them to work with sed 10:08:26 <planetmaker> great frosch123 :-) 10:09:01 <Terkhen> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/275/ <--- style for properties/variables 10:09:26 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: rubidium * r22580 /trunk/bin/ai/regression/run.sh: -Change: make 'make regression' return an error when it fails 10:11:30 <planetmaker> actually, Terkhen, if properly defined, we don't need to define a table class 10:11:43 <planetmaker> thus you can leave out that piece 10:11:49 <Terkhen> oh, that would be nice :) 10:12:21 <planetmaker> works already ;-) 10:13:08 <planetmaker> while I was sleeping I must have magically learnt how to use firebug - and then it was dead easy to get it right 10:14:07 <planetmaker> Terkhen: table headings are best used ! and !! instead of | and || 10:14:24 <planetmaker> you can write one line of a table in one text line if you separate entries with || or !! 10:14:39 <planetmaker> that makes sources IMHO easier to read 10:14:59 <Terkhen> hmm... if I remove class="wikitable" from VarAction2Advanced tables, they revert to the old, no borders format 10:15:02 <Terkhen> ok, I'll try that :) 10:15:18 <planetmaker> http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/StyleGuide 10:15:26 <planetmaker> ^ I guess... just define style there 10:17:03 <planetmaker> and if we have something which repeatedly needs a formating different from default, give it a separate class name 10:17:21 <planetmaker> that class can then be given the required attirbutes in the common.css 10:20:07 <planetmaker> Terkhen: frosch123, orudge one needs to look out very careful for pages which contain formula like Action0Trains. There the conversion obviously "ate" a number of subsequent properties. I fixed that there, of course, but watch out :-) 10:21:14 <planetmaker> Terkhen: refresh? 10:21:26 <planetmaker> My tables w/o style all have a border... 10:22:19 <Terkhen> true :D 10:25:14 <frosch123> planetmaker: what are Action2 properties? :p 10:26:14 <frosch123> planetmaker: updated that page, did you mean that? 10:26:24 <planetmaker> of course :-) 10:26:25 <frosch123> Action2 -> VarAction2 10:26:32 <frosch123> Properties -> Variables 10:27:34 <planetmaker> thanks for the fix 10:31:10 <Terkhen> :) 10:31:33 <Terkhen> tables are corrected, now I'll correct the style :P 10:33:14 <planetmaker> I added a table style to the style page... I guess it could be default. Might not make sense everywhere, though I used it everywhere so far, but there are two tables where it doesn't look too nice. 10:34:16 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 10:34:36 <Terkhen> IMO callbacks should be organized as varaction2 and action0 are organized 10:34:46 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: rubidium * r22581 /trunk/Makefile.msvc: -Add: 'make regression' support to Makefile.msvc 10:36:04 <Eddi|zuHause> imho "callbacks" should be split between the features they apply to 10:36:17 <frosch123> bad idea 10:36:31 <frosch123> animation callbacks are the same for all features, just different numberas 10:36:49 <Terkhen> those could go to a common page, as done for common vehicle properties now 10:37:38 <Eddi|zuHause> and one thing that was missing from the old wiki (or that was impossible to find) was a page "default vehicle properties" 10:37:47 <frosch123> Yes, there should be general pages about Animation, Spritelayouts with bounding boxes and such. but that is something for later :) 10:37:50 <Eddi|zuHause> and same with industries 10:37:59 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ABA1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:38:39 <planetmaker> hm... Terkhen frosch123 about version limitations: with table classes it's possible to hide by default that row, but unhide it upon reader request 10:38:55 <frosch123> planetmaker: imo something for later 10:38:57 <planetmaker> but doint that with the default table style might not be a good choice 10:39:15 <planetmaker> frosch123: yes. But we then should use now NOT use the default but *some* style 10:39:30 <Terkhen> yes, I agree that changing callback organization is secondary right now :) 10:39:42 <frosch123> imo explicit revisions are something for the detailed description, the summaries should have some icon-tags ("ottd 0.6", "ottd 1.1", "ttdp 2.0", "ttdp 2.5", "ttdp 2.6") 10:40:02 <Terkhen> how old is last ttdp stable? 10:40:12 <planetmaker> older than I am around here 10:40:22 <orudge> Terkhen: 2003-ish, I think 10:40:31 <frosch123> 2.0 is October 24, 2003: 10:40:47 <planetmaker> lol 10:40:47 <Terkhen> then saying "ttdp 2.6" does not says much 10:40:48 <frosch123> 2.5 beta 9 is October 29, 2006. 10:40:49 <orudge> in comparison, tt-forums was launched in October 2002 10:40:58 <frosch123> Terkhen: "ttdp 2.6" means nightly 10:41:02 <Terkhen> oh :P 10:41:09 <Terkhen> that should work I guess 10:41:12 <frosch123> just like "ottd 1.2" would mean nightly 10:41:21 <orudge> the eternal nightly 10:41:44 <planetmaker> well, my question was rather: should we use a separate table class for properties and variables? 10:41:53 <planetmaker> even if means nothing now? 10:42:11 <frosch123> planetmaker: i guess that is also changeable later 10:42:16 <planetmaker> ok 10:42:30 <frosch123> but i do not know about table classes :) so, if it is easy, just add it :) 10:43:01 <planetmaker> it just means to add a class="classname" to a table 10:43:08 <planetmaker> nothing else 10:43:27 <planetmaker> then the classname's style can be changed w/o source edits anywhere except the css 10:43:43 <planetmaker> including collapsing / showing columns etc - IIRC. 10:43:50 <planetmaker> I'm just learning this stuff atm, too 10:45:27 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r22582 /trunk/src/cargopacket.cpp: -Fix: Don't increment STL iterators after they've been invalidated. 10:45:59 <planetmaker> I just wonder whether it can be avoided for (some) tables to be followed by a 2nd table stating the version for half the lines in the preceeding table 10:48:05 <Terkhen> planetmaker: adding a class makes sense :) 10:48:15 <Terkhen> and I would worry about stuff like versions later, once that everything is converted properly 10:49:51 <planetmaker> ok. Classes: a0prop and a2var? 10:50:11 <planetmaker> (rest default as now) 10:50:24 <Terkhen> ok :) 10:50:43 <peter1138> duplicating the newgrf specs? 10:51:16 <Terkhen> moving them to a new home :P 10:51:29 <peter1138> those tables need some padding :S 10:51:40 <Terkhen> yup 10:52:14 <planetmaker> peter1138: yes, style will be adjusted when the big conversion issues are gone 10:52:20 <planetmaker> Feel free to play with it, though 10:52:53 <peter1138> i don't think i have access to the stylesheets 10:52:54 <planetmaker> I suggest to install firebug - then you can test all locally on one of those pages, live editing the used CSS 10:53:36 <planetmaker> and then the CSS can be changed on http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css which you probably can edit, too 10:54:09 <peter1138> hm 10:57:23 <peter1138> no, i can't 11:04:02 <planetmaker> you can still find out a good CSS style, though. I'll then be happy to implement it, if you tell me 11:04:20 *** Intexon_ [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 11:12:32 <planetmaker> orudge: are the images also imported. And if so: what's their path / name wrt the originals? 11:12:42 <orudge> planetmaker: no, you'll have to pull those over manually 11:12:46 <planetmaker> ok 11:12:48 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6C533.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 11:13:03 <peter1138> heh, well, change the padding: 0; to padding: 0 5px; is enough to the tables look better 11:19:47 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6D859.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:20:23 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 11:23:57 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.176.109] has joined #openttd 11:24:11 <orudge> michi_cc: you there? 11:24:22 <michi_cc> I am 11:27:35 *** Juo [~Juo@87-194-64-202.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:28:16 *** Intexon_ [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:30:37 <planetmaker> frosch123: Terkhen seems, we should grante sections generally one = more... or the primary ones have the same size as page title... 11:31:28 <frosch123> isn't that configurable somewhere? 11:31:40 <Terkhen> probably, yes 11:33:15 <planetmaker> I just found that in the mediawiki descriptions on "how to use"... 11:34:44 <planetmaker> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Formatting 11:35:43 <frosch123> oh, ok, when that is the official way... 11:35:49 <frosch123> then it is ok for us 11:37:43 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [Quit: TTW - http://www.moddb.com/mods/the-third-tiberium-war] 11:38:48 <frosch123> added padding as suggested by peter 11:39:45 <orudge> michi_cc: you should now be able to log into tt-wiki and the grf wiki 11:40:35 <michi_cc> Thanks, works. 11:42:18 <planetmaker> hm... what about style for code / examples... 11:52:33 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: frosch * r22583 /trunk/src/newgrf_storage.cpp: -Fix [FS#4640] (r22551): Allocate _changed_storage_arrays on the heap, so the point of destruction is well defined ('never' for now). 11:56:04 <JVassie_> didnt realise you were discussing wiki in here :) 11:56:57 <frosch123> planetmaker: do you have an updated sed script for conversion? 11:57:22 <frosch123> and orudge: is there some way to automatically run that over all pages? 11:57:27 <planetmaker> yes / no. it's two-stage, now, frosch123 11:57:30 <JVassie_> orudge, is there the possibility of addign a 'todo' list? Seen them on wiki sites before, though not sure if they were mediawiki 11:57:42 <frosch123> JVassie_: what kind of list? 11:57:42 <planetmaker> Just adding your change to my script failed. Thus called twice within a bash file: 11:57:53 <JVassie_> a todo list, ie a list of thigns to be done 11:57:55 <JVassie_> *things 11:57:59 <orudge> JVassie_: sure, just add a page yourself. http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/GRFSpecs:Todo perhaps 11:58:09 <JVassie_> lovely 11:58:11 <JVassie_> ta 11:58:32 <orudge> frosch123: I believe one can get and install mediawiki bots, but I'd rather not do that at this precise moment. I'd probably manage to obliterate everything. :p 11:58:56 <frosch123> i just kind of doubt anyone would do the work for ttdpatch manual :p 11:59:01 <orudge> well 11:59:08 <orudge> it's my intention to do that, at least to start 11:59:18 <planetmaker> http://devs.openttd.org/~planetmaker/patches/fixwiki.sh and http://devs.openttd.org/~planetmaker/patches/wikised 11:59:22 <orudge> do you have a link to your script? 11:59:24 <orudge> ah 11:59:43 <planetmaker> it's crude but does its job mostly. 12:00:25 <planetmaker> copy source into file. Run script. Edit output, mainly replace the \n|- which remain from links by nothingness and fix code / example style 12:00:35 <planetmaker> and then paste back output into wiki 12:01:01 <frosch123> planetmaker: what is "/''''/d" for? 12:01:13 <frosch123> isn't it kind of risky to delete a whole line with that? 12:01:29 <planetmaker> Removing the first line which is a repetition of the title 12:01:43 <planetmaker> maybe risky, but I don't think that text format exist elsewhere 12:02:14 <planetmaker> without that line you have nearly two identical first lines 12:02:29 <planetmaker> one formated that way, the other as =...= 12:06:18 <planetmaker> this script is written on a "worked so far without big mistakes basis. No guarantee for other pages" ;-) 12:07:47 <planetmaker> JVassie_: I recon the TODO is currently longer than the DONE list ;-) 12:07:53 <JVassie_> of course :D 12:09:00 <George> orudge> small team in #openttd working on tidying up the specifications 12:09:13 <George> Let me know who tis team is? 12:09:22 <orudge> George: they're right here 12:09:33 <George> I suppose 12:09:39 <planetmaker> hm... the script currently doesn't get right the section level 12:09:46 <George> I just want to know, how many are they 12:09:52 <Yexo> orudge: if you enable the API one can run bots from anywhere, at least for accounts with the bot flag set 12:10:00 <frosch123> George: everyone here is only working on the specs 12:10:13 <George> and do they have any plan about what whoould they do and wnen? 12:10:15 * orudge is looking at the TTDPatch manual just now 12:10:18 <Yexo> currently I run such a bot occasionally for the openttd wiki to manage the links between translated versions of the same page 12:10:43 <planetmaker> Yexo: that might be useful... running a bot on all (not touched) pages with a script similar to what I just posted 12:11:38 <George> frosch123: me doubts that you would fix the ECS section :)) 12:12:07 <planetmaker> that's right. The ECS section goes though not to the newgrf spec wiki but the general tt-wiki 12:12:31 <JVassie_> they are seperate 12:12:45 <George> For me NEWGRF wiki is a part of tt-wiki 12:12:46 <planetmaker> there's both, newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net and tt-wiki.net. Yes, they're separate 12:13:09 <planetmaker> they're separate wikis, though 12:13:23 <Yexo> planetmaker: here is the script I use: http://devs.openttd.org/~yexo/openttd_translations.py 12:13:24 <George> they can have different URLs, but they are a part of one project 12:13:26 <planetmaker> though, of course, they may and should be linked where appropriate 12:13:48 <JVassie_> depends on the definition of project, really 12:13:48 <Yexo> together with the framework from: http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/pywikipedia/trunk/pywikipedia 12:13:56 <George> But I started with the other questin 12:14:04 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-27-219-49.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 12:14:30 <George> WHO is the team working on tiding the new wiki? How many are them? 12:14:54 <planetmaker> those who volunteer to spend time on it 12:15:02 <JVassie_> there is no fixed team George 12:15:23 <planetmaker> and there was no dicision made anytime that you you and you do the work 12:15:41 <JVassie_> orudge, is it worth linking to the todo list from the 'links' section on the left hand side? 12:15:53 <orudge> JVassie_: could be for now, or at least on the main page 12:16:04 <planetmaker> and actually also the style guide 12:16:08 <JVassie_> i presume only an admin can edit the links section 12:16:35 *** ThaAmazonous [~ThaAmazon@D9799130.cm-3-2c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:16:41 <JVassie_> the main page has a logn list of grfspecs information, probably best to keep it seperate i guess 12:16:42 <JVassie_> *long 12:16:57 <frosch123> JVassie_: there is a wiki section 12:17:26 <planetmaker> http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Sidebar 12:17:31 <JVassie_> ta 12:17:34 <JVassie_> :) 12:17:42 <planetmaker> np. If you can do it, I don't have to :-P 12:17:43 <frosch123> planetmaker: not everyone can edit that :) 12:17:52 <planetmaker> ok... if you can't, I will :-) 12:18:07 <JVassie_> cant edit it :p 12:18:18 <JVassie_> http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/GRFSpecs:Todo 12:18:22 <JVassie_> is the todo link 12:18:24 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ABA1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:18:29 <frosch123> JVassie_: i do not understand the TODO list :s 12:18:54 <JVassie_> there is definitely room for discussion on its layout and use 12:19:16 <frosch123> do you want to put wiki pages on it, which somone is working on ? 12:19:25 <planetmaker> that should be part of the style page then or its talk one 12:19:42 <planetmaker> Yexo: how is that script called? Just python scriptname? 12:19:53 <frosch123> currently you work 5 - 15 minutes on a page, what's the point on noting you are working on it 12:19:55 <Yexo> yes, but you need the pywikipedia framework 12:20:00 <JVassie_> How do you think it would be best to use the todo list then? Just a large unordered list? 12:20:03 <JVassie_> true frosch123 12:20:12 <planetmaker> hm... right. How do I install that python framework? 12:20:14 <frosch123> i guess it is too early for that 12:20:20 <Yexo> svn co http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/pywikipedia/trunk/pywikipedia 12:20:40 <planetmaker> oh it has an svn... hm, page bottom tells me :-P 12:20:46 <JVassie_> i wasnt intending to use it as svn 12:21:05 <JVassie_> more a means for people to chuck their thoughts/ideas/etc down for others to see# 12:21:20 <JVassie_> also giving those who wish to contribute an idea of what needs doing 12:21:45 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:1956:990e:2a54:a04d] has joined #openttd 12:21:48 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:22:02 <planetmaker> JVassie_: currently it mostly need fixing all pages for syntax and checking for correctness that no content got lost 12:22:16 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:22:24 <JVassie_> i would guess so yeah 12:22:46 <andythenorth> bonjour 12:22:55 <frosch123> JVassie_: anyway, added 12:23:05 <JVassie_> thanks frosch123 :) 12:23:13 <JVassie_> hi andy 12:23:16 <frosch123> it might come at hand somewhen, even if not now :) 12:23:40 <JVassie_> as planetmaker said, the majority of the work now is syntax edits and checking content 12:23:45 <Yexo> planetmaker: I use r9011 with this diff: http://devs.openttd.org/~yexo/pywikipedia_changes.diff 12:23:55 <Yexo> that includes the python file I linked earlier 12:26:03 *** sllide [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 12:26:05 <planetmaker> the "bot" itself? 12:26:09 <Yexo> yes 12:31:09 <JVassie_> Ill get to work on the cargotypes page :D 12:32:04 <frosch123> JVassie_: as a hint, you should always compare the page to the original at ttdpatch.net 12:32:15 <JVassie_> Thanks, got it open in adjacent tab :) 12:32:17 <frosch123> sometimes whole paragraphs are missing in the conversion 12:32:29 <JVassie_> dang, really? 12:32:42 <frosch123> currently i am working on industry default props 12:32:51 <frosch123> there are two screens of tables missing 12:34:34 <planetmaker> yes, happens 12:44:19 <JVassie_> ouch 12:44:46 <George> suggestion. (http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Action0Stations) tables would be more readable if there would be some space between the text and the table borders|lines 12:45:33 * Terkhen agrees 12:45:58 <frosch123> there is 12:46:08 <frosch123> refresh your caches 12:46:12 <planetmaker> :-D 12:46:32 <Terkhen> ok :P 12:46:57 <George> Ok 12:47:25 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 12:47:57 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [] 12:49:13 <George> Is it possible to put the image from the other site in text on new wiki? 12:50:21 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 12:50:29 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [] 12:50:38 <orudge> George: they'll need to be reuploaded 12:50:44 <orudge> http://www.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Special:Upload to upload an image 12:51:28 <George> that means in case the image change in the source it has to be reuploaded? 12:51:33 *** k^^ [~k^^@users192.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Quit: pLop!] 12:53:09 *** k^^ [~k^^@users192.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 12:56:20 <George> orudge> For more complex pages, you may wish to use this script with this data file to try to tidy up the page first. 12:56:33 <George> Can there be a script to fix tables? 12:56:48 <orudge> George: well, I believe that script does that, to some degree. planetmaker is the one who worked on it, he can maybe help you with it 12:57:36 <orudge> brb anyway, going to get some lunch 12:58:28 <planetmaker> well, the script needs bash currently 12:58:55 <planetmaker> [13:59] planetmaker http://devs.openttd.org/~planetmaker/patches/fixwiki.sh and http://devs.openttd.org/~planetmaker/patches/wikised 12:59:11 <Terkhen> would it be possible to do a small helper page that applies the script to a text? 13:00:04 <planetmaker> Terkhen: rather I'd suggest to take yexo's translation's script and run it as python script 13:00:18 <planetmaker> mostly it needs replacing the translation routine by the regex found in my script 13:00:36 <Terkhen> hmm... will it break corrected pages? 13:00:43 <planetmaker> I'm not very skilled at python, thus it might take long(er) 13:00:58 <planetmaker> you'd point it to the pages you want fixed. 13:01:06 <planetmaker> that's how I understand it. 13:01:37 <planetmaker> If *someone* would modify that python script to run regex defined somewhere in there, I'll happily also continue with making the regex better. 13:01:46 <planetmaker> Maybe Alberth is out of work :-P 13:02:10 <Terkhen> so... you add a mark to a page and it gets automatically converted? sweet :) 13:02:26 <George> http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/CargoTypes - shouldn't text go after *, not a line below? 13:02:26 <planetmaker> or yexo still has the time. Not all regex, but just that it can be adopted? 13:02:29 <Belugas> hello 13:02:34 <JVassie_> George, refresh 13:02:36 <planetmaker> Terkhen: like that, yes 13:04:18 <George> > so... you add a mark to a page and it gets automatically converted? sweet :) <- and why it is not done for all the pages? 13:05:54 <George> planetmaker: Can you apply the script to all the ECS pages? 13:05:59 <planetmaker> George: because that script simply doesn't yet exist 13:06:25 <George> orudge: <George> that means in case the image change in the source it has to be reuploaded? <- so what? It should? 13:07:00 <George> planetmaker: script simply doesn't yet exist <- let me know when it would run :) 13:08:00 <George> JVassie_: http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/CargoTypes - 2-nd and third lines are the same. was it intended? 13:08:30 <JVassie_> 2nd and 3rd liens of what sorry? 13:09:08 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 13:10:49 <JVassie_> George? 13:14:03 <Alberth> planetmaker: what do you need? 13:14:55 <planetmaker> Alberth: I need basically an adoption of yexo's wiki bot to just throw some regex on the page source - and post the modified source again 13:15:09 <planetmaker> his bot fixes the translation cross-link in our openttd wiki currently 13:15:20 <JVassie_> I *love* regex 13:15:22 <planetmaker> I've an idea how to adopt it... 13:15:25 <George> 2nd and 3rd liens of what sorry?- of the page 13:15:50 <JVassie_> Still dont understand you George 13:15:55 <JVassie_> sorry 13:16:05 <planetmaker> Alberth: it's svn co http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/pywikipedia/trunk/pywikipedia with http://devs.openttd.org/~yexo/pywikipedia_changes.diff 13:16:33 <planetmaker> the python script he runs is then openttd_translations.py 13:17:02 <planetmaker> which I'd base this new wiki bot on... 13:17:58 <George> JVassie_: http://pastebin.com/qWarxtw3 13:18:20 <Alberth> planetmaker: sounds complicated, I have never done anything web :p 13:18:40 <George> as you can see on the page copy, line (they got numbers 3 and 4) are the same. why? 13:18:46 <planetmaker> :-) Nor did I. But as it looks that framework does nearly everything for you 13:18:55 <orudge> George: do you mean images that are currently uploaded to the TTDPatch wiki? You'll need to copy them over. If you want to change them, then you can upload a new version to replace the existing one. 13:18:56 <planetmaker> and all which basically needs doing is probably in the diff 13:19:11 <JVassie_> George, doesnt look like that when I look at http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/CargoTypes 13:19:13 <planetmaker> just in the proper way to not translate stuff but just do *something* with the text 13:19:24 <JVassie_> Looks just fine to me, no duplicate lines 13:19:33 <George> orudge: no, uploaded to the differnt places 13:20:01 <orudge> I don't think that's currently allowed in the new wiki, it may be possible to enable it, but it would depend what it is, I suppose. It's generally better to have everything uploaded locally if possible. 13:21:42 <George> orudge: better to have everything uploaded locally if possible <- that means one more task to control for updates and fixing wiki. Can't say that is the easiest solution 13:22:00 <orudge> well, I can look into what can be done later on 13:22:04 <George> We already have the same problem with GRFs 13:22:23 <orudge> I'm sure it should be possible to enable external images 13:22:28 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 13:22:37 <George> uploading them both to bananas and the site is not the handy task 13:24:41 <George> Looks just fine to me, no duplicate lines - can someone else check that? 13:31:10 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe64de00-55.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:35:12 *** ashledombos_ [~ashledomb@ris91-2-82-227-26-30.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:38:54 *** ashledombos [~ashledomb@ris91-2-82-227-26-30.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:39:01 *** Qantourisc [~Qantouris@78-20-80-107.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 13:39:24 <Qantourisc> Does anyone know a nice multiplayer server ? 13:39:46 <Terkhen> hi Qantourisc 13:39:52 <Qantourisc> Terkhen: hello 13:40:31 <planetmaker> for certain definitions of 'nice': yes 13:40:40 <Qantourisc> :p 13:40:49 <Ammler> Qantourisc: prefixes "!" are quality signs, the more a server name has, the better 13:40:56 <Terkhen> :D 13:40:59 <planetmaker> :-D 13:41:07 <Qantourisc> For some reason ... i doubt that 13:41:34 * Terkhen only knows spanish ones and openttdcoop :P 13:41:48 <planetmaker> so do I ;-) 13:41:52 <Qantourisc> I don't think i'll be allowed on a openttdcoop server :) 13:41:58 <planetmaker> why do you think so? 13:42:04 <Qantourisc> Crashes 2 trains today :) 13:42:18 <TWerkhoven> welcome server allows everyone their own company 13:42:18 <Qantourisc> also, tomutch of an investment on my side 13:42:19 <planetmaker> our servers are open to everyone who plays by our rules 13:42:24 <TWerkhoven> you can crash trains all day if you want 13:42:32 <Qantourisc> Ow nice ... 13:42:32 <planetmaker> and the welcome server is a sort-of sandbox one. 13:43:20 <Ammler> the passworded servers have just "dummy" protections, but theoretically everyone can join (passwords are somewhere public() 13:44:11 <planetmaker> :-) indeed 13:44:39 <planetmaker> the PWs just make sure to avoid complete anonymity 13:45:09 <Ammler> which is needed for cooperation 13:46:36 <Chris_Booth> some passworded servers are invite only 13:46:46 <Chris_Booth> but I am not sure how you would ever get and invite 13:47:00 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 13:48:05 <Qantourisc> :p 13:48:22 <Qantourisc> mwea sorry 13:48:34 <Qantourisc> i have a hard time enjoying anything lately 13:49:42 <Chris_Booth> Qantourisc: are you a cynical person? 13:50:40 <Qantourisc> Not by nature 13:58:41 <Ammler> Chris_Booth: I was speaking about the coop passworded servers 13:59:17 <Chris_Booth> coop only has 1 public passworded server IIRC 14:00:54 <JVassie_> at lst 14:00:58 <JVassie_> CargoTypes done :p 14:01:02 <JVassie_> big ass table.. 14:01:31 <planetmaker> quite :-) 14:01:39 <planetmaker> I hope you didn't do all that in the browser? 14:02:07 * planetmaker found it always easier to copy stuff to a good text editor, do changes there and paste back 14:02:16 <JVassie_> notepad 14:02:17 <JVassie_> :p 14:02:19 <planetmaker> better search & replace tools there :-) yep 14:02:49 * orudge is working his way through the TTDPatch manual 14:02:56 <orudge> for the 2 people who may want to use it ;) 14:03:04 <JVassie_> haha 14:03:10 <Ammler> planetmaker: ff has extensions to transfer textareas to editor 14:03:38 <planetmaker> Ammler: which? 14:04:34 *** Pikka [~Figgy@d58-111-71-220.rdl800.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:04:45 <Ammler> planetmaker: It's all Text! 14:05:34 <Ammler> (yes, that's the name) 14:11:54 <planetmaker> looks useful. Thank you :-9 14:12:09 <planetmaker> s/9/)/ ;-) 14:15:46 <JVassie_> lol 14:15:51 <JVassie_> regnerd :D 14:16:26 <JVassie_> hmm planetmaker 14:16:27 <JVassie_> http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/CargoTypes#Cargo_Labels 14:16:41 <JVassie_> do some of the rows in the table look like theyre missing lines? 14:16:43 <JVassie_> (borders) 14:16:52 <JVassie_> eg bwteen URAn and VEHI 14:16:55 <JVassie_> *URAN 14:17:24 <planetmaker> not to me 14:18:05 <JVassie_> hmm odd 14:18:07 <planetmaker> but... I'd suggest to change the FIRS background colour to a light blue. Currently the text is unreadable 14:18:42 <JVassie_> yeah 14:18:51 <planetmaker> like medium blue on dark blue is approx. as bad as dark green on dark red 14:18:52 <JVassie_> doesnt change the link colour 14:19:09 <JVassie_> its supposed to be white text 14:19:18 <planetmaker> ho :-) 14:19:44 <JVassie_> there are plenty of #FFFFFF 's in there :D 14:20:38 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:21:18 <JVassie_> mind you, the ECS text is supposed to be black too 14:21:22 <JVassie_> rather than 'link blue' 14:21:49 <planetmaker> hm, yes. links have a separate style 14:22:06 <JVassie_> | style="background: #EEBB00; link: black" | [http://www.tt-wiki.net/wiki/ECS ECS] 14:22:16 <JVassie_> for example being one of the lines that has an ECS box 14:22:23 <JVassie_> gah 14:22:34 <JVassie_> theyre color: black not link: black 14:24:18 <peter1138> yikes, you're setting a style on each one? 14:24:51 <peter1138> you've heard of... classes... right? 14:25:31 <confound> they're things to take to learn stuff! 14:26:49 <peter1138> yers 14:26:51 <planetmaker> indeed... it might be an idea, JVassie_ to give those a class on their own... make that table a separate class and define the style 14:28:51 <Mazur> Oooer, how lovely, that's three games with a loop mounted iso image playing without complaining about missing cdroms, now. No more unnecessary CD switiching every time I want to play another one for 10 minutes, anymore! 14:53:53 <JVassie_> peter1138, good plan :D 14:54:01 <JVassie_> im not used to wiki editing 14:54:16 <JVassie_> i dont assume HTML can be used automatically :p# 14:54:44 <JVassie_> find and replace helps in that matter 15:03:22 *** Mks [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:03:37 *** Mks [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has joined #openttd 15:06:27 *** mksen [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has joined #openttd 15:13:16 *** Mks [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:16:24 *** KouDy [~KouDy@pub212004071029.fx-hfc.datazug.ch] has joined #openttd 15:17:40 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-178-004-186-241.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Python is way too complicated... I prefer doing it quickly in C.] 15:22:46 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: yexo * r22584 /trunk/ (9 files in 3 dirs): -Add: [NoAI] several functions to AICompany to find out performance information (Morloth) 15:22:55 <JVassie_> hmm 15:22:59 <JVassie_> perhaps with the new wiki 15:23:20 <JVassie_> it will give the more advanced NFO devs an excuse to write soem more in depth tutorials for the wiki :D 15:25:27 <Terkhen> IMO the grfspecs should have links to tutorials and code examples in the normal wiki 15:29:30 <Terkhen> what was the license used for the ttdpatch wiki? 15:30:02 <JVassie_> Terkhen, why so? 15:30:09 <orudge> As far as I can tell, there is no specific licence. However, much of the content came from the TTDPatch documentation, which as part of TTDPatch would be GPL, I guess. 15:30:20 <JVassie_> shouldnt NFO related tutorials be a part of the grf specs? 15:30:34 <JVassie_> rather than linked seperately? 15:30:43 <orudge> JVassie_: I believe the intention of the separate wiki was that the specs should stand alone 15:30:44 <Terkhen> JVassie_: because I'm concerned by the last post on the announcement thread of the tt-wiki 15:30:49 <orudge> with examples, etc, in tt-wiki.net 15:30:53 <Terkhen> and yes, IMO the specs should stand alone 15:31:03 <JVassie_> fair enough 15:31:11 <JVassie_> havent read the thread for a few hours 15:31:15 * JVassie_ wonders off to check 15:31:50 <JVassie_> ah 15:31:52 <JVassie_> MB 15:32:13 <orudge> at any rate, the TTDPatch manual and the GRF specs are being migrated to the new wiki 15:32:26 <orudge> if he wants to throw his toys out of the pram, that's up to him 15:32:34 <Terkhen> yes, I agree 15:32:41 <orudge> ECS would seem to be his work 15:32:46 <orudge> he can set up his own wiki with tikiwiki for that if he wants 15:33:02 <JVassie_> didnt he write it under the T&Cs of the old wiki 15:33:06 <JVassie_> which would have been GPL? 15:33:12 <orudge> JVassie_: well, it's not explicitly stated. 15:33:16 <orudge> but the TTDPatch manual was GPL 15:33:18 <Terkhen> yes, that's why I'm asking about those terms but I don't find anything 15:33:27 <JVassie_> unfortunate :( 15:34:15 <Terkhen> indeed 15:34:16 <Rubidium> orudge: but then you can't say it's GFDL on tt-wiki 15:35:02 <Yexo> Terkhen: the spec part is factual information, there is very little (if any) "creative content" there, so that should be safe 15:35:30 <Yexo> if mb desperately wants his own pages somewhere else, let him do it 15:35:35 <Terkhen> yes, agreed 15:35:41 <Yexo> he's just making it harder and harder for people to find dbset 15:36:13 <Terkhen> just removewe 15:36:30 <Terkhen> just remove them* 15:36:37 <Yexo> and there is no reason to allow editing the old wiki at all, even if that's what mb wants 15:36:57 <Yexo> orudge: perhaps now would be a good time to add a very specific notice about the license to the new wiki? 15:37:03 <Yexo> to prevent this kind of trouble in the future 15:37:19 <Rubidium> Yexo: scroll down 15:37:20 <orudge> I'm just working on a reply to MB 15:37:22 <Terkhen> I have seen a link about the license while editing 15:37:24 <Rubidium> on the wiki pages 15:38:47 <Yexo> ah, good :) 15:42:13 <JVassie_> <Yexo> he's just making it harder and harder for people to find dbset 15:42:17 <JVassie_> which is a damn shame IMO 15:42:33 <JVassie_> as dbset is definitely among the top of the 'train' newgrfs 15:44:16 <frosch123> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=CopyrightAndCopying <- that's in itself unclear 15:44:36 <orudge> "This program and the accompanying documentation" 15:44:46 <frosch123> "*) Note that other people have contributed code and graphics, and they generally own their contributions themselves." 15:45:02 <Terkhen> depends on what is "accompanying documentation" 15:45:25 <Rubidium> frosch123: you own parts of OpenTTD source code (copyright) 15:46:04 <Terkhen> the grfspecs are definitely a part of the accompanying documentation, the rest of the stuff... I'm not sure 15:46:58 <Rubidium> but you've licensed that with GPL, what gives the "user" some rights. IMO the same applies to that wiki, or at least the documentation of TTDPatch which includes the specification of its interfaces 15:47:42 <frosch123> so, currently the specs wiki says fdl, shouldn't it be gpl2 then? 15:49:39 <planetmaker> probably 15:49:56 <orudge> that can be changed, then 15:50:08 <orudge> Terkhen: as far as I can tell, the only things MB has "started" himself on the wiki is the ECS stuff, and the railway dictionary 15:50:18 <orudge> everything else is a derivative of the TTDPatch documentation 15:50:30 <orudge> and as such would be under the GPL 15:50:49 <planetmaker> and the ECS wiki is not part of the newgrf wiki. But would of course be of the tt-wiki 15:50:53 <planetmaker> and should 15:50:54 <orudge> yes 15:50:58 <Terkhen> yes 15:51:14 <planetmaker> but there George hopefully will see to it :-) 15:52:14 <planetmaker> I'm not entirely surprised by this reaction actually 15:52:36 <planetmaker> it confirms (pre)judice ;-) 15:55:12 <planetmaker> meh... now my fix-wiki-style python script bot hangs :S 15:59:26 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:05:08 *** mksen [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has quit [] 16:05:22 *** Mks [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has joined #openttd 16:13:39 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0f84fe.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 16:17:10 *** bodis [~bodis@cpc3-ando3-0-0-cust781.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:18:53 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC3256.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:20:51 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host202-229-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 16:22:30 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:22:51 <Wolf01> hello 16:23:11 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:23:24 <Terkhen> hi Wolf01 16:25:12 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... too overloaded? www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/zi1-5.png 16:30:26 *** ar3k [~ident@ebl152.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 16:32:28 <orudge> JVassie_ and others: when updating pages on the newgrf wiki, might I suggest removing the redundant description and title from the top of each pages? That's what I've been doing with the TTDPatch wiki. 16:32:32 <orudge> JVassie_: see, for instance, http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/index.php?title=Action13&diff=1054&oldid=1053 16:33:06 <orudge> JVassie_: also, -+ +- should be converted to <tt></tt>; but in cases where it's already in a <pre>, then they can just be removed. 16:33:10 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 16:35:32 <Terkhen> orudge: makes sense, it is also as it should be according to http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/StyleGuide 16:35:38 <Terkhen> I'll fix that in the pages I started later 16:35:49 <orudge> :) 16:36:36 <Eddi|zuHause> "i'll fix that later" - category: famous last words 16:37:46 *** ar3kaw [~ident@ebw81.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:38:35 <Terkhen> I still hope to have a few years with time to procrastinate ahead :P 16:39:17 <JVassie_> woah highlightage 16:40:15 <JVassie_> did you get anywhere with MB orudge ? 16:40:24 <orudge> JVassie_: see for yourself 16:40:25 <orudge> he just replied 16:40:39 <JVassie_> dont you just love the drama? :D 16:40:45 <orudge> I could do without it, really. 16:42:42 <JVassie_> I can imagine 16:42:55 <JVassie_> He thinks the enitre grf specs is his? 16:42:57 <JVassie_> :/ 16:43:20 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 16:43:21 <orudge> no, he just wants his contributions removed, which is a ridiculous thing to ask really 16:43:36 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:43:37 <orudge> particularly considering that once something is GPLed, it remains so, and cannot be revoked 16:43:39 <JVassie_> mmm 16:44:00 <orudge> feel free to post in agreement ;) 16:44:06 *** goblin [~goblin@dslb-094-218-143-137.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:44:12 <JVassie_> as you said a real case of aToy -> throw_from_pram() 16:44:25 <orudge> mmh 16:44:58 <Eddi|zuHause> <orudge> particularly considering that once something is GPLed, it remains so, and cannot be revoked <-- that's actually a very questionable part. some copyright laws explicitly allows the author to revoke copyright. 16:47:40 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: but the license itself states unrevoke-able 16:48:10 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: but if the law states it overrides the license, then the license can state lots of things 16:48:33 <JVassie_> anyoen got a link to the license for the old wiki? 16:48:45 <Terkhen> JVassie_: I couldn't find such link 16:49:03 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 16:50:09 <frosch123> JVassie_: http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=CopyrightAndCopying 16:50:55 <JVassie_> thx frosch123 16:51:15 <planetmaker> well... mb is basically asking to remove all TTDPatch version references from the nfo specs. After all they can also be directly derived from openttd's source 16:51:20 <Terkhen> hmm... but isn't that related to TTDPatch itself? 16:52:23 <JVassie_> but the question is whether it was supplied as part of ttdpatch's documentation 16:52:35 <orudge> As I recall, it was 16:52:40 <JVassie_> which is included in ttdpatch's GPL license 16:52:43 <orudge> if you want to download an old enough version of TTDPatch, there was an nfo.txt or somesuch 16:53:53 <JVassie_> Ill see if i have a copy buried in my pc somewhere 16:54:05 <orudge> http://www.ttdpatch.net/src/ 16:54:46 <orudge> old source only seems to be there in diff form, though 16:56:13 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:56:27 <orudge> aha 16:56:33 <orudge> http://users.tt-forums.net/csaboka/ttdpatch/devel/enhmulti_src.zip for instance 16:56:36 <orudge> you have the doc/newgrf.txt file 16:57:36 <planetmaker> issue solved :-) 16:57:38 <JVassie_> that doesnt look like licensing information :s 16:57:42 <orudge> JVassie_: it's not 16:57:45 <orudge> it's the newgrf.txt file 16:57:50 <orudge> containing the original newgrf spec 16:57:56 <orudge> which was later uploaded to the wiki 16:57:59 <orudge> and has evolved since then 16:57:59 <JVassie_> ohhh 16:58:01 <orudge> TTDPatch was under the GPL 16:58:01 <JVassie_> i understand 16:58:04 <JVassie_> :) 16:58:06 <orudge> as such, newgrf.txt was under the GPL 16:58:10 <JVassie_> indeed 16:58:10 <orudge> and as such, the newgrf spec on the wiki is under the GPL 16:58:17 <Terkhen> yes 16:58:37 <JVassie_> probably best to prove it to MB :p 16:58:39 <orudge> now, there is nothing on the wiki saying "all contributions are now GPL", so Michael's own pages are probably not, and he can choose to revoke those 16:58:48 <orudge> JVassie_: well, I already mentioned all this in the thread 16:58:54 <planetmaker> but no one cares about those really 16:58:56 <orudge> but Michael can't revoke the pages that were already GPLed 16:59:00 <orudge> indeed 16:59:06 <JVassie_> orudge, Im sure he will try to though 16:59:35 <planetmaker> yes, he'll go through great pains to prove his point 16:59:45 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC3256.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:59:51 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: §42 is one such "i revoke it" paragraph: http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/urhg/__42.html 16:59:57 <Terkhen> http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mb <--- it's not that big anyways 17:00:05 <orudge> I'm sure in the past though he said things like "you can't use my sets with OpenTTD" :p 17:00:12 <JVassie_> indeed 17:00:18 <Terkhen> wow, he actually said that? 17:00:23 <JVassie_> I think he did yeah 17:00:27 <Terkhen> :S 17:00:43 <orudge> Terkhen: eh, try http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=Mb 17:01:11 <Terkhen> sorry, I meant to link that one 17:01:19 <Terkhen> the longest contributions seem to be cleanups 17:01:22 <orudge> I think he's mostly just annoyed that nobody asked his opinion, and that it's buggered up all his formatting of his ECS pages 17:01:25 <orudge> the latter of which I can understand is annoying 17:01:58 <Terkhen> but you made a topic about this plan months ago, and I'm sure he posted in it 17:02:02 <orudge> yep 17:02:13 <orudge> it's probably just the fact that I did it, relatively speaking, out of the blue 17:02:16 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: interesting is section3: "Der Urheber hat den Inhaber des Nutzungsrechts angemessen zu entschÀdigen" 17:02:17 <orudge> without posting a further consultation, or whatnot 17:02:24 <planetmaker> So he has to pay us, if he likes to revoke his edits 17:02:45 <orudge> planetmaker: Would German law apply to content that is hosted outside Germany, though? (The TTDPatch wiki has never been hosted in Germany, for what it's worth) 17:02:49 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: but since nobody is currently making profit anyway... 17:03:18 *** Juo [~Juo@87-194-64-202.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Juo] 17:03:26 <planetmaker> orudge: I doubt it for this case 17:04:42 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: not making a profit from selling doesn't mean no compensation is due. Compensation would encompass the time needed to write it anew from OpenTTD's source 17:05:09 <JVassie_> and I charge £60/hr 17:05:17 <planetmaker> After all I can also ask for compensation / cease and desist if people use my photos without permission 17:05:34 <planetmaker> There are standard rates for such issues. 17:05:58 <Eddi|zuHause> JVassie_: you missed the phrase "angemessen" (appropriate) in there 17:06:05 <JVassie_> ;p 17:06:19 <Prof_Frink> planetmaker: Yes, but was the working of openttd derived from the specs on the ttdpatch wiki? 17:06:37 <planetmaker> it was derived from the gpl'ed part 17:07:44 <planetmaker> interesting is also §42.4: "Will der Urheber nach RÌckruf das Werk wieder verwerten, so ist er verpflichtet, dem frÌheren Inhaber des Nutzungsrechts ein entsprechendes Nutzungsrecht zu angemessenen Bedingungen anzubieten." 17:07:59 <planetmaker> it basically means he'll have to cease using his contributions as well - or allow us, too 17:08:40 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: imho the whole paragraph will already fail to apply on the "zumutbar" part in section 1 17:08:52 <planetmaker> I do agree 17:10:38 <Belugas> why would mb want such a move? he just wants a little fun in his existence? 17:13:25 <JVassie_> lets hope he replies to my post 17:13:30 <JVassie_> maybe well find out >.< 17:17:08 <planetmaker> "I've already outlined it all above and don't want to repeat myself" 17:18:26 <JVassie_> heh 17:18:49 *** Pixa [~Pixa@85.210.67.111] has joined #openttd 17:19:49 <planetmaker> orudge: can we get the API for bots http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API for the wiki(s)? 17:20:06 <planetmaker> api source available via SVN, link at bottom 17:27:01 <orudge> planetmaker: the API is already present, I believe. http://www.tt-wiki.net/api.php / http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/api.php 17:27:13 <orudge> planetmaker: I think bots need to be added to the bots group 17:27:15 <orudge> which you should be able to do 17:27:37 <planetmaker> hm, looks like. Not the path which I exepected it to be 17:27:45 <planetmaker> I'll try that, thanks 17:27:47 <orudge> that's what it says on the mediawiki FAQ :) 17:27:57 <orudge> quick start guide, rather 17:28:02 <planetmaker> I read that, too, I think :-) 17:28:10 <planetmaker> obviously it was changed somewhen 17:28:26 <orudge> does each bot need a user account? You may have to sign it up for a forum account if so 17:30:13 <planetmaker> I currently use my account. But yes 17:30:22 <orudge> OK 17:30:27 <planetmaker> If it works, I'll register a separate one for it 17:30:47 <planetmaker> and indeed, now I get more useful errors, thanks for the api link :-) 17:32:18 *** jojo_ [~0a0a6567@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 17:32:54 *** jojo_ [~0a0a6567@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [] 17:37:04 <planetmaker> Ha! Success. I get a connection to the wiki :-) 17:37:34 <Terkhen> :) 17:38:10 <planetmaker> Now I "just" need to teach it the proper replacements 17:39:36 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:39:40 *** stefan [~stefan@p5DDEFE7E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:44:41 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: translators * r22585 /trunk/src/lang/swedish.txt: 17:44:41 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:44:41 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: swedish - 2 changes by Ingerfara 17:49:13 <SpComb> YACD as a maximized window somehow repaints much slower than what I'm used to with OpenTTD 17:49:50 <SpComb> fails hsync 17:50:00 <Terkhen> I guess it is using a lot more processing time 17:51:06 <SpComb> htop shows OpenTTD at max 10%, but X goes to perhaps 80% 17:51:18 <SpComb> maybe my X sucks somehow 17:51:49 <SpComb> mostly an issue while scrolling 17:52:42 <SpComb> need to compare with non-yacd 17:55:50 <SmatZ> do you have the smallmap open? 17:56:13 <SpComb> nope 17:56:35 <SmatZ> then I have no idea :( 18:03:14 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:05:21 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc18-aztw25-2-0-cust185.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:05:40 <andythenorth> guten abend 18:06:57 <Terkhen> hi andythenorth 18:11:12 <planetmaker> 'n Abend, andythenorth ;-) 18:17:42 *** keky_ [~stefan@p5DDEFE7E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:18:02 *** TWerkhoven2 [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:18:19 *** Amis_ [~Amis@BC24EB11.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has joined #openttd 18:18:20 *** LordPixaII [~Pixa@85.210.67.111] has joined #openttd 18:18:38 *** Wolf03 [~wolf01@host202-229-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:19:02 *** pugi__ [~pugi@p4FCC3256.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:19:13 *** Osai [~Osai@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:19:13 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC3256.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:19:13 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest4470 18:19:14 *** Wolf03 is now known as Wolf01 18:19:14 *** pugi__ is now known as pugi 18:19:24 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 18:20:31 *** George|2 [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 18:20:32 *** George is now known as Guest4473 18:20:32 *** George|2 is now known as George 18:24:28 *** Guest4470 [~wolf01@host202-229-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:24:36 *** k^^ [~k^^@users192.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:24:39 *** k^^ [~k^^@users192.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 18:24:53 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:25:03 *** stefan [~stefan@p5DDEFE7E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:25:03 *** Guest4473 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:25:08 *** Pixa [~Pixa@85.210.67.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:25:08 *** Amis [~Amis@BC24EB11.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:30:18 *** k^^ [~k^^@users192.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 18:34:27 *** Intexon_ [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 18:35:39 *** pawilonek [~0a0a6567@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 18:37:19 *** pawilonek [~0a0a6567@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [] 18:40:46 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:28:54 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-72-68.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 19:34:55 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-104-111.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:37:57 *** [WOODY] [woodygfx@79.118.33.168] has joined #openttd 19:39:43 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe64de00-55.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 19:41:50 *** Twerkhoven[L] [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:52:52 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:56:04 <Wolf01> 'night 19:56:06 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host202-229-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 19:59:30 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [Quit: TTW - http://www.moddb.com/mods/the-third-tiberium-war] 20:07:50 <planetmaker> good night 20:09:42 <SmatZ> good night planetmaker 20:09:48 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:17:25 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7682E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:17:41 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7682E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:24:29 *** goblin [~goblin@dslb-092-074-202-014.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 20:25:53 *** lukasp [~lukasp@8.105.broadband12.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 20:27:38 <lukasp> hello 20:28:34 <lukasp> only quick question - does anybody tried to compile openttd on psion netbook (i.e. on epoc) 20:30:01 <Yexo> never heard of that 20:30:07 * fjb does not think so. 20:30:40 *** k^^ [~k^^@users192.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 20:37:13 <Rubidium> lukasp: I doubt the compiler for that platform is new enough to support OpenTTD's source code 20:37:43 <Rubidium> then there's also the question whether SDL or Allegro supports it. If it doesn't, then compiling it makes not much sense 20:40:36 <Rubidium> though processor wise it should be possible to compile OpenTTD for it 20:43:14 <lukasp> that's not very encouraging ... I'm considering purchase of a netbook and its ability to run openttd will help me with decision 20:43:44 <Rubidium> well, you're talking about a 10+ year computer and operating system 20:44:15 <Chris_Booth> lukasp you will be able to run most openttd server on a 1.6 ghz dual core netbook 20:46:30 <lukasp> I know that the computer is obsolete, but I like psion (I'm a little bit old-fashioned:-) 20:48:31 <lukasp> anyway - I found C++ SDK for the computer, so I will try to play little bit with that ... thanks for response 20:53:30 *** lukasp [~lukasp@8.105.broadband12.iol.cz] has left #openttd [] 20:54:22 <Rubidium> lukasp: I can find traces of sdl having (had) some support for epoc, and there having been some gcc version; you'll need at most OpenTTD 0.6.3 as the later ones probably won't compile 20:55:00 <glx> too late :) 20:56:35 *** Amis_ [~Amis@BC24EB11.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:59:29 *** [WOODY] [woodygfx@79.118.33.168] has quit [] 21:00:47 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC3256.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 21:06:16 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc18-aztw25-2-0-cust185.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 21:09:02 *** [WOODY] [woodygfx@79.118.33.168] has joined #openttd 21:10:24 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f764a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:12:54 *** Karel [~0a0a6567@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 21:27:04 *** mib_nm6uiv [5651ff69@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 21:27:07 *** mib_nm6uiv [5651ff69@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [] 21:33:32 *** Twerkhoven[L] [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into] 21:34:37 *** k^^ [~k^^@users192.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:39:07 *** TWerkhoven2 [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into] 21:41:31 *** LordPixaII [~Pixa@85.210.67.111] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:42:44 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7682E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:43:26 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7682E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:45:22 *** Karel [~0a0a6567@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:45:51 *** KingJ [~KingJ-OFT@95.154.197.17] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:51:30 *** goblin [~goblin@dslb-092-074-202-014.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:51:50 *** goblin [~goblin@dslb-092-074-202-014.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 21:59:00 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d08ec93.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us!] 22:01:00 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7682E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:04:48 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7682E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:08:01 *** KouDy [~KouDy@pub212004071029.fx-hfc.datazug.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:09:45 *** bodis [~bodis@cpc3-ando3-0-0-cust781.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:11:20 *** ctibor [~quassel@77.48.228.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:11:48 *** KouDy [~KouDy@pub212004071029.fx-hfc.datazug.ch] has joined #openttd 22:12:20 *** ctibor [~quassel@77.48.228.43] has joined #openttd 22:28:09 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:28:39 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-113-195.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 22:32:41 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-68-3.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 22:35:30 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-101-128.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:38:56 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-72-68.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:41:21 *** [WOODY] [woodygfx@79.118.33.168] has quit [] 22:43:25 *** goblin [~goblin@dslb-092-074-202-014.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:55:09 <welshdragon> who is website developer? 22:55:19 <welshdragon> the sponsor logos break tables 22:56:05 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ABA1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:56:15 <Yexo> welshdragon: feel free to open a bug report here: http://bugs.openttd.org/index.php?project=4 22:56:31 <Yexo> make sure to include a screenshot, and mention your os, browser and browser version 23:03:08 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:13:34 *** Intexon_ [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:18:40 *** sllide [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:22:39 *** hgnmu128 [~hgnmu128@117.204.83.69] has joined #openttd 23:22:49 <JVassie_> Yexo, any chance I might persuade you to code soem stations? :D 23:22:51 <JVassie_> *some 23:22:57 <JVassie_> [/out on a limb] 23:23:10 <Yexo> possible, are they already drawn? 23:23:22 <JVassie_> the majority of the sprites are 23:23:49 <Yexo> send me the spritesheets, some description of how they should be combined and I'll see when I have time 23:23:55 <Yexo> probably somewhere this weekend 23:24:16 <JVassie_> Ill pop something over shortly, thanks a lot :) 23:24:25 <JVassie_> hopefully will provide some more material for me to learn from 23:24:37 <JVassie_> will hopefully be able to get back into it again 23:27:56 <JVassie_> a thought yexo 23:28:07 <JVassie_> one of the features im planning to try and include in the set 23:28:15 <JVassie_> how easy is it to include premade stations 23:28:23 <JVassie_> a la ISR stations set? 23:28:36 <Yexo> not sure, shouldn't be too hard 23:28:40 <Yexo> haven't done that before though 23:28:50 <Yexo> ISR station tiles stay the same after you build them 23:29:05 <JVassie_> these will too 23:29:09 <Yexo> CHIPS tiles on the other hand change depending on neighboring tiles, so they adept even after they have been build 23:29:14 <JVassie_> ah 23:29:20 <JVassie_> i guess i might want that too 23:29:24 <JVassie_> hmm ISR do too 23:29:27 <JVassie_> no? 23:29:30 <JVassie_> im thinking of the buffers 23:29:33 <Yexo> not sure, but not as much as chips tiles 23:29:45 <Yexo> anyway, it's certainly possible 23:29:50 <JVassie_> awesome :) 23:29:52 <Yexo> combination of both is possible too 23:30:03 <JVassie_> amazing the possibilities these days :D 23:30:04 <Yexo> just write down how you want it and I'll see how much is possible to code 23:30:13 <JVassie_> i remmeber the days of 4x5 tiles max :/ 23:30:15 <Yexo> for now it's time to sleep :) 23:30:16 <Yexo> good night 23:30:18 <JVassie_> no worries 23:30:21 <JVassie_> night o/ 23:35:39 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6C533.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 23:41:27 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6C533.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:43:10 <hgnmu128> UserPages on the tt-wiki have all lost their directory style entry. Surely someone has noticed? 23:43:12 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:48:30 *** hgnmu128_ [~hgnmu128@117.204.84.200] has joined #openttd 23:53:16 *** hgnmu128 [~hgnmu128@117.204.83.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:53:27 *** hgnmu128_ is now known as hgnmu128 23:54:32 *** keky_ [~stefan@p5DDEFE7E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 23:59:02 *** Intexon_ [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd