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04:52:12 <TruePika> They are caused by the difference between '/' and '\' 04:52:22 <TruePika> If I change them to '\', no errors 04:52:47 <TruePika> However, Windows accepts '/' in URIs 04:53:11 <TruePika> OTTD seems not to like '/' in the Windows config... 04:54:20 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75943.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:54:36 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B72CA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:00:05 *** bodis [~bodis@cpc3-ando3-0-0-cust781.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 05:18:06 *** Westie [~westie@raptor.typefish.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:32:02 *** bodis [~bodis@cpc3-ando3-0-0-cust781.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:50:22 *** Amis [~Amis@mail.paks.hu] has joined #openttd 05:52:05 *** Amis_ [~Amis@mail.paks.hu] has joined #openttd 05:52:08 *** Amis_ [~Amis@mail.paks.hu] has quit [] 05:59:25 *** Amis [~Amis@mail.paks.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:10:18 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 06:10:44 *** Westie [~westie@raptor.typefish.co.uk] has joined #openttd 06:11:23 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e049532.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:24:54 *** Eitsew [~westie@raptor.typefish.co.uk] has joined #openttd 06:25:48 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 06:26:01 *** Westie [~westie@raptor.typefish.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:26:09 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has joined #openttd 06:49:45 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:50:09 <Terkhen> good morning 06:52:57 <peter1138> hi 06:56:15 <Terkhen> hi peter1138 07:04:43 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 07:10:06 *** TruePika [~chris@cpe-67-49-42-88.socal.res.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 07:10:51 *** Xrufuian [~xrufuian@pool-98-119-100-160.lsanca.btas.verizon.net] has quit [] 07:17:35 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC5840.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:22:49 <dihedral> does anybody know if there is a simple way to install imagemagick on a SLES server? 07:33:23 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 07:38:46 <peter1138> apt-get install imagemagick ;D 07:40:47 <dihedral> i wish :-P 07:48:51 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 07:57:37 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:59:49 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-030-011.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 08:11:56 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-77-37-203-211.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #openttd 08:23:54 <Eddi|zuHause> zypper in imagemagick? 08:39:48 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@78-80-200-5.tmcz.cz] has joined #openttd 08:41:17 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-030-011.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Python is way too complicated... 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13:41:03 <Terkhen> enable "vehicles never expire" and write "resetengines" on the console 13:42:24 <MNIM> yeah, I got the vehicles never expire option, but I activated it too late, not realizing that those things are save-specific 13:42:56 <MNIM> oh jay, that did it 13:42:57 <MNIM> thanks 13:43:03 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:43:46 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.237] has joined #openttd 13:43:49 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 13:47:45 <MNIM> hmmmmh 13:47:56 <MNIM> this probably helps with solving some of that congestion I had 13:49:04 <MNIM> I split up a group of stopping trains which did a clockwise round line and gave the second half orders to go anti-clockwise 13:49:10 <MNIM> now to do the same with the intercities 14:10:41 *** heffer [~felix@hyperion.fetzig.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:20:07 <MNIM> hmmmmh. would a DB270 lock be a viable replacement for a caledonian railway 439 pulling a five tile long train to transfer it onto longer trains at mining hub stations? 14:20:30 <MNIM> while taking into account that they have to pull it over some slopes 14:27:45 *** heffer [~felix@hyperion.fetzig.org] has joined #openttd 14:30:14 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 14:43:03 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 14:54:26 *** Xaroth_ [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 14:59:02 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:11:38 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-94-112-27-160.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 15:13:14 *** Amis [~Amis@5400C20D.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has joined #openttd 15:21:15 *** Amis [~Amis@5400C20D.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Quit: BRB] 15:28:03 *** minecraftfan [~minecraft@74.63.212.88] has joined #openttd 15:28:34 *** Amis [~Amis@5400C20D.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has joined #openttd 15:32:10 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc18-aztw25-2-0-cust185.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:32:18 <MNIM> hmmhhh 15:32:27 <andythenorth> mmm 15:32:33 <MNIM> anybody can remind me where 'trains can reverse at station is under? 15:34:48 *** minecraftfan [~minecraft@74.63.212.88] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:39:58 *** Joe [~0a0a6567@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 15:40:12 *** Joe [~0a0a6567@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [] 15:40:39 <Vikthor> MNIM: I think difficulty settings 15:41:17 <MNIM> oh 15:41:28 <MNIM> well that would explain why I couldn't find it 15:42:41 <Ammler> MNIM: rcon list_settings reverse 15:42:54 <Ammler> or without rcon 15:43:01 <Vikthor> yes, this setting is kind of tricky, it's heritage from original TTD 15:43:43 <Ammler> or grep the cfg 15:45:41 *** minecraftfan [~minecraft@74.63.212.88] has joined #openttd 15:47:33 *** minecraftfan [~minecraft@74.63.212.88] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:47:55 *** minecraftfan [~minecraft@74.63.212.88] has joined #openttd 15:48:32 *** minecraftfan [~minecraft@74.63.212.88] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:50:08 *** minecraftfan [~minecraft@74.63.212.88] has joined #openttd 15:52:42 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-030-011.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:54:44 <andythenorth> after we've added realistic prices, can we fix some more realism related things? 15:55:27 <andythenorth> for example I've noticed that some trains are too short 15:55:38 <andythenorth> e.g. an SD40-2 is only about 25px long in game 15:55:47 <andythenorth> whereas wikipedia says it's "68 ft 10 in (20.98 m) over the coupler pulling faces" 15:56:08 <glx> haha 15:56:14 <andythenorth> so it's about 68 feet and 9 and 3/4 inches too short 15:56:16 <glx> realism in openttd 15:56:21 <andythenorth> (depending on your screen size) 16:02:40 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 16:04:46 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: have you used the more zoom levels yet? :p 16:05:07 <andythenorth> then it no longer fits on my screen :( 16:05:12 <andythenorth> my screen is unrealistic 16:05:16 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... this 32bpp blender tutorial on the wiki totally does not work in blender 2.5 16:05:24 <andythenorth> it appears to just be a 2D depiction of things 16:05:44 <Eddi|zuHause> and aside of that, it seems to be written by somebody who has absolutely no clue 16:06:13 <Eddi|zuHause> both "import Blender" and "from Blender import *" 16:06:52 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: well, you don't pay real money for it either 16:06:57 <andythenorth> my screen? 16:07:04 <andythenorth> it certainly appeared to cost money 16:07:04 <Eddi|zuHause> no, the SD40-2 16:07:10 <andythenorth> maybe it's all just appearances 16:07:15 <Eddi|zuHause> (whatever that is) 16:07:15 <andythenorth> maybe the world is just illusion 16:07:29 * andythenorth wants his money back 16:07:32 <Eddi|zuHause> well, money is an illusion 16:07:52 <Eddi|zuHause> someone just made it up 16:08:21 <Eddi|zuHause> (typically that someone is called "central bank" or somesuch) 16:11:02 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:12:16 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 16:26:51 *** bodis [~bodis@cpc3-ando3-0-0-cust781.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:29:54 <MNIM> money is a representation of services and goods in an abstract form, qualified in numbers 16:30:38 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:31:12 <Eddi|zuHause> that's what they make you believe, but it is really not 16:31:18 *** ar3k [~ident@ecv66.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 16:31:37 <Eddi|zuHause> at least not since the 1950's, and certainly not since the 1990's 16:32:38 *** amkoroew [~matze@p5B106F38.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:38:14 *** ar3kaw [~ident@ebm186.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:39:06 *** Intexon_ [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 16:40:41 *** goblin [~goblin@dslb-092-074-194-242.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:41:19 *** brumla [~0a0a6567@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 16:41:45 <MNIM> well, if you are referring to the use of 'imaginary' money at stock exchanges, it's far older than the 1950s 16:42:11 <MNIM> in fact, Id refer you to the very first stock crash, which, naturally, happened in the netherlands 16:42:23 <Eddi|zuHause> 1950's is when the gold standard was given up 16:43:07 <MNIM> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_mania#Social_mania_and_legacy 16:43:19 <MNIM> well, that doesn't really count 16:43:45 <MNIM> the only thing that changed was that money became independent of the value of something else 16:44:00 <MNIM> and besides that, the gold standard isn't that old 16:44:33 <MNIM> the 'standards' were all, at their time, the most valuable stuff available. 16:44:34 <Eddi|zuHause> no, before the gold standard, money was worth the material value of the coin 16:45:04 <MNIM> what was said value based on? hmmh? 16:45:16 <MNIM> it's all recursive, that's the funny thing about money 16:45:20 <Eddi|zuHause> the gold standard meant: i won't give you 1000 Mark worth of gold, but i will give you this paper that says you could get 1000 Mark worth of gold" 16:45:20 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:46:14 <glx> it weights a lot less when you need 1000000 ;) 16:46:33 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e049532.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 16:47:24 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 16:48:33 <MNIM> well, figure this: back during the tulip mania, when you wanted to buy a nice luxury home, you wouldn't give the seller a box full of gold coins, you'd give hima a tulip bulb 16:49:04 <MNIM> during that time, anything that was worth a lot and was easy to carry was used as 'money' 16:49:26 <MNIM> gold, spices, tulips, they've all been used as monetary means 16:49:59 <MNIM> yet none of them actually are worth the value they represent 16:49:59 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. but nowadays it isn't. 16:50:18 <MNIM> not in most civil countries, yeah 16:51:12 <andythenorth> omg 16:51:19 <andythenorth> don't mention that money is based on illusion 16:51:24 <andythenorth> that makes the whole thing fall down : 16:51:28 <andythenorth> then where would we be? 16:51:37 <andythenorth> *not* in the shop buying stuff, that's for certain 16:53:50 *** Intexon_ [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:54:40 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:57:21 *** brumla [~0a0a6567@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:57:59 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d008b45.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:01:25 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 17:08:51 *** TheMask96 [martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:12:08 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 17:14:27 *** TheMask96 [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:15:58 <peter1138> yay, tulipmania 17:36:06 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host29-236-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:36:47 <Wolf01> hello 17:41:54 <Terkhen> hi Wolf01 17:43:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r22610 /trunk/src/lang/swedish.txt: 17:43:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:43:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: swedish - 4 changes by Zuu 17:49:34 *** Dozzer [~somebody@109.99.23.30] has joined #openttd 17:49:52 <Dozzer> I installed GRF for tramways, but I can't build tramway 17:49:54 <Dozzer> Why? 17:50:32 <TWerkhoven> are there any trams available? 17:51:03 <Dozzer> I think yes... 17:51:19 <Dozzer> The scenario is in 2012 17:51:58 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 17:52:01 <Zuu> If you go to the NewGRF window (in your game, not the menu), do you have your tram NewGRF visible in the list? 17:52:02 <Rubidium> you don't need a tramway newgrf to get trams, you need trams to get tramways 17:52:24 <Dozzer> Yes, it's visible 17:52:32 <Dozzer> With a green square in left of its name 17:52:59 <Dozzer> I installed "Generic Tram Set" 17:53:10 <Zuu> That's a tram set. 17:53:30 <Zuu> If you click and hold your button on the button to build road (top of screen) 17:53:41 <Zuu> Do you get a menu where you can select tram way? 17:53:48 <Dozzer> No... 17:55:06 <Zuu> Then I'm out of ideas without having access to your (save-)game. 17:55:08 <TWerkhoven> you know tram-construction is found under road-construction? 17:55:08 <Rubidium> please upload the savegame; this guessing what's wrong game doesn't seem to be fruitful 17:55:44 <Dozzer> Give me a site to upload 17:55:46 <Dozzer> pl0x 17:55:54 <Dozzer> <TWerkhoven> you know tram-construction is found under road-construction? 17:55:58 <Dozzer> Look, I`m not so stupid 17:56:21 <Dozzer> In my old games with temperate climate I constructed 17:56:37 <Dozzer> But it's possible to be this because of toyland climate? 18:00:43 <Eddi|zuHause> very likely 18:01:01 <Eddi|zuHause> most sets do not offer vehicles for toyland 18:03:09 *** Xrufuian [~xrufuian@pool-98-119-100-160.lsanca.btas.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 18:03:57 *** keky___ [~stefan@p5098b65a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:13:00 *** goblin [~goblin@dslb-092-074-194-242.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:18:51 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-77-37-203-211.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 18:19:45 <Wolf01> bah... my provider is retarded 18:20:27 <Wolf01> I asked if was possible to reduce the lag, they raised the speed, now I have more lag and less download speed (24kbps) 18:21:29 *** bryjen [~bryjen@76.92.85.169] has joined #openttd 18:26:29 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:39:05 *** amkoroew1 [~matze@p5B106F38.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:46:10 *** amkoroew [~matze@p5B106F38.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:55:31 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.68] has joined #openttd 19:05:16 *** Scuddles [~notme@cm27.epsilon82.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [] 19:06:36 <MNIM> NOOOOOooo 19:06:43 <MNIM> I got attacked by UFOs! D: 19:16:37 <Dozzer> How can I build raw materials industries? 19:17:59 <Dozzer> :s 19:22:19 <Hirundo> there's a setting for that 19:23:29 <MNIM> Advanced settings --> economy --> industries --> manual primary industry... 19:27:25 *** Twerkhoven[L] [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:29:29 <MNIM> owww 19:29:34 * MNIM baps self 19:29:41 <MNIM> do more research! 19:30:05 *** Ninja [~0a0a6567@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 19:30:40 <MNIM> so I just upgraded half of my network to electric 19:31:20 <MNIM> and then I realised there's really no loc that'll provide any advantage of my jesus-christ-knows-how-old 99kmh steam engines 19:31:31 <MNIM> and it's already 1953! 19:31:47 <MNIM> *advantage over my... 19:35:27 <MNIM> I bought those SBB A3/5-s from 1900 and later, and yet there's still no really satisfactory euro e-loc 19:38:45 <MNIM> The NS1000 comes close, but they're not really fast, neither cheaper than a steam loc (which is odd, considering e-locs need a lot less laborious manhours! 19:38:49 <MNIM> ) 19:40:17 <andythenorth> he 19:40:21 <andythenorth> weather would be lame 19:40:24 <andythenorth> but clouds... 19:40:24 <andythenorth> http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=145201 19:40:25 <andythenorth> nice 19:41:17 <MNIM> looks a bit out of place combined with the old-school graphics of the rest of the game, but yeah, random clouds would be neat 19:41:28 <Dozzer> How can I remove a newGRF? 19:41:30 <MNIM> also, those are huge mountains! is that a patch? 19:41:37 <Dozzer> How can I remove a newGRF? 19:41:39 <MNIM> during a game? 19:41:42 <Dozzer> Yes 19:41:47 <Dozzer> No exactly 19:41:56 <MNIM> you can't, in newer versions of ottd 19:42:00 *** goblin [~goblin@dslb-092-074-194-242.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:42:01 <Dozzer> During making a scenario 19:42:23 <MNIM> there's no real difference between a scenario and a running game for ottd 19:42:28 <Eddi|zuHause> scenario is the same as a game 19:42:53 <MNIM> in fact, rename a .sav into .scn, put it in the correct folder and you are perfectly able to open it in scedit 19:43:23 <MNIM> there is one way, but I am so not responsible for any bugs that might occur! 19:44:19 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-164-169.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:45:10 <MNIM> (adding/removing newgrfs in-game has been disabled in newer versions because it's prone to cause bugs, which are then blamed on the ottd devs, which is annoying for them to say the least) 19:45:21 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5DDFEEE1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:50:17 *** Amis [~Amis@5400C20D.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Quit: *pop*] 19:50:44 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4db1948a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:52:15 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFE880.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:52:54 *** mode/#openttd [+v SmatZ] by ChanServ 19:52:54 *** mode/#openttd [+v planetmaker] by ChanServ 19:52:57 *** mode/#openttd [+v Belugas] by ChanServ 19:53:44 *** Biolunar is now known as Guest6 19:55:25 <Terkhen> Dozzer: see http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=53881 19:55:49 <Terkhen> the last post includes links to a few examples of what might happen if you change NewGRFs anyways 19:56:09 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:02:16 *** Ninja [~0a0a6567@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:12:48 *** Xrufuian [~xrufuian@pool-98-119-100-160.lsanca.btas.verizon.net] has quit [] 20:27:18 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:45:53 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d008b45.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:49:03 *** goblin [~goblin@dslb-092-074-194-242.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:55:48 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 21:13:31 <Dozzer> When I see the list of my trains 21:13:42 <Dozzer> What are those symbols under train's number? 21:16:14 <Twerkhoven[L]> wether or not ir makes a profit 21:17:21 <Dozzer> I see a blue bar 21:17:27 <Dozzer> And a yellow...ball 21:17:34 <Dozzer> With a green "+" 21:17:45 <Twerkhoven[L]> diagonal bar? you are using opengfx then right? 21:17:55 <Twerkhoven[L]> diagonal blue bar == engine < 1year old 21:18:59 <Twerkhoven[L]> http://wiki.openttd.org/Vehicle_list <-- full explanation of that particular window 21:32:46 <Dozzer> thx 21:33:15 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-030-011.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Python is way too complicated... I prefer doing it quickly in C.] 21:33:21 * andythenorth -> bed 21:33:24 <andythenorth> good night 21:33:24 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc18-aztw25-2-0-cust185.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 21:36:15 <Wolf01> 'night 21:36:19 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host29-236-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:39:21 *** bodis [~bodis@cpc3-ando3-0-0-cust781.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:41:46 *** sllide [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:43:06 *** tparker [~tparker@beacon.nj.ithybia.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:43:24 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@78-80-200-5.tmcz.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:43:44 *** tparker [~tparker@2600:3c03::1d:4242] has joined #openttd 21:50:43 *** davidoff [~0a0a6567@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 21:50:59 *** davidoff [~0a0a6567@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [] 21:52:59 *** amkoroew1 [~matze@p5B106F38.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:54:41 *** Guest6 [~mahdi@blfd-4db1948a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us!] 21:55:12 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:58:43 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-94-112-27-160.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:00:01 <Terkhen> good night 22:13:27 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [Quit: The Third Tiberium War - http://www.moddb.com/mods/the-third-tiberium-war] 22:16:46 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:29:37 <Dozzer> Why when I destroy something, it doesn't make green? 22:29:41 <Dozzer> A square... 22:29:45 <Dozzer> It remains brown 22:29:46 <Dozzer> :| 22:30:08 <Twerkhoven[L]> how long did ya wait? 22:32:36 <Eddi|zuHause> it's grass. needs time to grow 22:32:38 <Yexo> it'll only turn green when the game is unpaused 22:37:20 *** sllide [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 22:37:57 <Dozzer> Yexo 22:38:00 <Dozzer> The problem is 22:38:05 <Dozzer> That it isn't in pause mode 22:38:26 <Dozzer> And also, 3 years have passed 22:38:35 <Yexo> please create a savegame and upload it 22:41:05 * MNIM groans 22:41:08 <MNIM> motherfucker. 22:41:37 <MNIM> perhaps I should not be trying to read info on newgrfs while Ive got a few beers headbutting my brain 22:45:08 <Yexo> try writing newgrfs when you had a beer too many :p 22:45:53 <MNIM> well, it's not so much "too many" but "too fast" 22:46:06 <MNIM> also, Im a lousy coder, with or without beers >.< 22:46:07 <Yexo> same effect :) 22:46:57 <MNIM> well, that is, I have far too little patience and a too smal attention span to code anything from the ground up. 22:48:33 <MNIM> Bah, you know somewhere where I can get a TTBRS that gives TTRS road surface graphics when used with TTRS? 22:48:48 <MNIM> (or vice verca) 22:48:58 <Yexo> no idea if such a grf exists 22:49:24 <MNIM> well, somebody said that there (probably) is, yet I can't find it 22:49:26 <Twerkhoven[L]> tubular bridges? 22:49:28 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.178.204] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 22:50:43 <MNIM> nope, the whole total bridge replacement set 22:51:13 <MNIM> like so 22:51:14 <MNIM> http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=93170 22:53:36 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:55:58 *** Westie [~westie@raptor.typefish.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:04:35 *** bryjen [~bryjen@76.92.85.169] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:04:51 *** Twerkhoven[L] [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into] 23:05:20 <MNIM> You know? the default ottd company HQ looks pretty tiny compared to other town buildings 23:06:04 *** sllide [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:07:45 *** Dozzer [~somebody@109.99.23.30] has quit [] 23:09:42 <Eddi|zuHause> this took like 5 minutes of searching: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=736691#p736691 23:10:53 <MNIM> hmmmmh. 23:11:43 <MNIM> I must have been using horrible search terms, apparently 23:11:52 <MNIM> seriously, where did my google fu go? 23:12:33 <Eddi|zuHause> well, i cheated, because i went through a couple of german posts :p 23:13:05 <MNIM> lol 23:13:09 <MNIM> well, I can read german 23:13:26 <MNIM> speaking and writing... Not so much 23:13:40 <MNIM> and yet I live, like, next door >.< 23:14:07 <MNIM> hmmmmh 23:14:30 <MNIM> is it just me, or has TTBR not developed much between 2008 and 20011? 0-o 23:14:38 <Eddi|zuHause> not at all. 23:15:22 <MNIM> :/ 23:15:37 <MNIM> sad. those bridges are pretty neat, they deserve more updates! 23:16:14 <Eddi|zuHause> all _interesting_ updates for bridges need completely new infrastructure, like action1/2/3 support 23:16:35 <MNIM> ...in laymens terms? (sorry) 23:16:46 <Eddi|zuHause> like the often requested "suspension bridges should span more tiles" 23:17:22 <MNIM> hmmmh, read something about that too. 23:17:28 <Eddi|zuHause> currently, the order of bridge tiles is fixed by the game 23:17:47 <MNIM> sounds to me like that would need a big change in how (o)ttd handles bridges in general 23:17:54 <MNIM> (...) indeed. 23:17:58 <MNIM> bah. 23:18:02 <Eddi|zuHause> action1/2/3 would allow for switching graphics depending on variables (like length of/position in bridge) 23:18:18 * MNIM notes to self: stop pressing enter before you finished your sentence 23:18:37 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BE94.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:19:44 <MNIM> hmmmmh 23:20:09 <MNIM> from what I understand right now, a bridge has five tiles, plus ramps 23:20:55 <MNIM> five /unique/ tiles, I should say 23:21:04 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, in a fixed order 23:21:48 <MNIM> so you can make stuff like a tied bridge as they do in TTRS, yet you can't repeat that five tiles long arch 23:22:01 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 23:22:01 <MNIM> TTBRS* 23:22:18 <Eddi|zuHause> that's already quite an abuse of the system 23:22:45 <MNIM> it's a hack, if I understand it correctly 23:22:57 <MNIM> and it works solely because it allows no repeats 23:24:22 <MNIM> hmmmmh 23:25:41 *** Westie [~westie@raptor.typefish.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:25:44 <MNIM> that TBRS + TTRS3 set you linked me to seems to be a hack as well 23:26:19 <MNIM> the TTRS modern roads 'shopped on top of the bridges, sadly they still mismatch when used with the classic roads 23:26:54 <MNIM> oh well, Ill admit it's less of a mismatch :P 23:32:57 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:33:47 * MNIM reads what the CHIPS abbreviation stands for 23:34:10 <MNIM> ...Yeah, jay, recursive abbreviations. probably a linux user :P 23:38:10 *** amkoroew [~matze@p5B106F38.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:39:17 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:42:04 <MNIM> hmmmmh 23:42:12 <MNIM> newstations looks kinda cool 23:42:22 * MNIM puts that in the 'keepers list 23:42:49 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:48:11 <MNIM> http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?avatar=17845_1230726446.png 23:48:24 <MNIM> got any idea what roadset that is? 23:48:50 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-164-169.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:49:12 *** amkoroew1 [~matze@p5B106E31.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:51:20 <Eddi|zuHause> that's NARoads 23:52:10 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 23:52:15 *** amkoroew2 [~matze@p5B106E31.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:52:46 <MNIM> ty 23:53:13 <MNIM> hmmmmmh 23:53:36 <MNIM> something like railtypes should be done for roads too 23:55:11 *** amkoroew [~matze@p5B106F38.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:56:13 <Mazur> dirtroads, gravel, brick, asphalt, you mean? 23:56:28 <Mazur> +concrete 23:57:29 <MNIM> something like that 23:57:56 <Mazur> Damn, gotta go searching for that XP key again. 23:58:14 <MNIM> so you can chose between 'em, instead of having them forced per timeline or town center vicinity 23:58:30 <Mazur> I nver learn and write it somwhere accessible. 23:58:47 *** amkoroew1 [~matze@p5B106E31.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]