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Have the specifications changed? I had no issue running it the last time I worked on it (would have been over a year ago, mind you) 05:55:49 <planetmaker> No, they didn't change. But OpenTTD might complain more verbosely about incorrect NewGRFs 05:56:25 <Lachie> hmm. I would have thought renum would pick up this sort of things 05:56:44 <planetmaker> one would think so, yes 05:57:04 <Lachie> cheers anyway. Is there any way to get it to be more specific about the error? back in the day TTDP would give you a sprite number and a bit more info 05:57:28 <planetmaker> -d grf=X where X could go up from 1 ... 9. I'd start with 1 05:57:36 <planetmaker> openttd -d grf=1 05:57:55 <Lachie> alright, I'll give it a try 05:58:34 <planetmaker> indeed I wonder why it doesn't give the sprite number right away. 05:59:10 <planetmaker> which renum do you use, Lachie? Make sure you use a 5.x 06:01:13 <Lachie> oh wow. I'm wildly out of date. Will get to on to that promptly. 06:02:59 <planetmaker> get it from http://www.openttd.org/download-grfcodec 06:03:16 <planetmaker> (nforenum and grfcodec are now one package) 06:03:22 <planetmaker> but still two programmes 06:03:47 <planetmaker> thus usage didn't change 06:06:23 <Lachie> hum 06:06:51 <Lachie> new version hasn't changed anything. The debug window doesn't give any extra information 06:08:03 <Lachie> though interestingly enough it has loaded a single engine from the grf. 06:11:16 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 06:11:50 <appe> morning 06:12:34 <Lachie> okay, excellent, seems to have pointed me in the direction of what I need to know 06:17:52 <planetmaker> good :-) 06:18:12 <planetmaker> often it's a property used with an invalid length 06:18:35 <planetmaker> and moin appe 06:20:35 <Lachie> yeah indeed, and it's been so long since I've written NFO that I've almost forgotten how to read it! But found the bugger. 06:20:37 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:28:02 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has joined #openttd 06:28:52 * planetmaker nowadays recommends writing NewGRFs in NML ;-) 06:35:44 <Lachie> planetmaker: given my repeated failings at writing any sort of coding language other than NFO, I somehow doubt it would work. 06:36:51 <Lachie> would also prefer not to rewrite 2000 lines of NFO in NML xD 06:37:49 <planetmaker> can only make it simpler ;-) 06:38:12 <Lachie> is it possible to convert between them yet? Last time I checked it couldn't be done 06:38:15 * planetmaker has done so with 20000 lines :-P 06:38:58 <planetmaker> this time it can't be done automatically either. 06:39:15 <Lachie> planetmaker: it's taken me 7 years to write these 2000 lines, mind you :P 06:40:02 <planetmaker> see. That's why ;-) 06:40:29 <Terkhen> rewriting is usually not an option, unless the conversion script works for you and you are willing to fix the resulting code 06:41:00 <planetmaker> sadly yes 06:43:37 <planetmaker> though I'd probably do that for any NewGRF where I want to do more than a few small bug fixes 06:43:57 <planetmaker> already adding the parameters to TTRS kinda was quite annoying 06:44:03 <planetmaker> *parameter gui 06:44:23 <Terkhen> but that's because we are willing to fix the resulting code :P 06:44:46 <Terkhen> it is a lot of work 06:44:55 <planetmaker> yes, it is 06:45:41 <planetmaker> though we managed to convert opengfx from nfo to nml in less than two weeks ;-) 06:46:06 <planetmaker> but that's mostly easy nfo 06:46:09 <planetmaker> or was 06:46:16 <Terkhen> :P 06:46:27 <Lachie> still a huge file regardless, I can respect that 06:47:35 <planetmaker> I consider the last two weeks an investment into the future :-) 06:52:42 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice4n2.emea.ibm.com] has joined #openttd 06:53:39 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:03:03 *** lugo [bc6f57fe@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 07:17:50 *** George|2 [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 07:17:50 *** George is now known as Guest13376 07:17:51 *** George|2 is now known as George 07:23:05 *** Guest13376 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:30:08 *** pjpe [ade6a119@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 07:32:01 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-37-239.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 07:43:03 <DDR_> What's the difference between nfo and nml? Is there some page I can read about it? 07:44:05 <planetmaker> "what's the difference between assembler and C?" is the same type of question. Read http://www.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NMLTutorial 07:44:46 <dihedral> good morning 07:44:51 <planetmaker> hi dihedral 07:45:16 * planetmaker must always resist the urge to write "Heidi" instead ;-) 07:46:05 <planetmaker> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heidi 07:49:36 <dihedral> pffft 07:49:38 <DDR_> Great book, that. ^_^ 07:50:10 <dihedral> why germans want to pronounce the nick like the german word 'die' i do not know 07:50:50 <dihedral> in my ears it sounds more like a german pronounced 'dai' 07:50:57 <planetmaker> I know :-) 07:51:04 <dihedral> so not fair ^^ 07:51:41 <planetmaker> but that doesn't stop me 'hearing' "Heidi" I write "Hi dih..." 07:51:48 <dihedral> it was terrible being in a german css clan once with that nick - i hated being on teamspeak :-D 07:51:55 <dihedral> :-D 07:51:57 <planetmaker> see ;-) 07:52:03 <dihedral> lol 07:52:12 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-37-239.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:52:44 <planetmaker> I would pronounce it (in de pronounciation) as "daihidrael" but as "die" 07:53:31 <norbert79> Morning all 07:53:52 <norbert79> Teamspeak... Bah.. Mumble for the win :) 07:54:50 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-37-239.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 07:55:09 <DDR_> Dear lord.. 08:00:37 <norbert79> <planetmaker> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heidi -> this reminds me always on the Bullyparade and on the "Heidi" scenes... :) 08:01:23 <norbert79> "GroÃvater, GroÃvater" "Ja, Heidi?" :) 08:01:36 <planetmaker> hehe 08:02:50 <norbert79> I wonder how dihedral would look with hair locks :) (Hope it's the right word) 08:03:45 *** JVassie_ [~James@2.30.129.177] has joined #openttd 08:12:15 <DDR_> Maybe 'dreadlocks'? http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=dreadlock 08:12:39 <Ammler> dihedral: change your nick to dehidral :-) 08:13:00 <dihedral> urgs 08:13:48 <dihedral> dieder :-P 08:13:51 <dihedral> yuck 08:13:51 *** lugo [bc6f57fe@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 08:15:12 <norbert79> DDR_: Nah, Heidi would have looked silly as being a rasta... :D 08:16:09 <dihedral> dread locks ;-) 08:16:20 <dihedral> similar to dead lock 08:18:17 <DDR_> Heh. 08:18:47 <z-MaTRiX> [100907] celltech I will admit I'm running a 2.7ghz with only 512mb ram 08:18:48 <z-MaTRiX> [100915] celltech I'm too lazy and cheap to upgrade 08:20:18 <norbert79> Hmm, PS3 also has only 512 MB of RAM 08:20:24 <norbert79> so considering this... 08:20:26 <norbert79> :) 08:20:40 <z-MaTRiX> ;> 08:21:05 <z-MaTRiX> i had 5112mb on w98 and xp, but thee vectorgraphic performance wasnt too cool 08:21:09 <z-MaTRiX> *512 08:21:20 <dihedral> :-D 08:21:25 <norbert79> 5112 MB and Windows 98... Niccce :) 08:21:30 <z-MaTRiX> it was more usable with 768MB and kindof ok with 1GB 08:21:49 <z-MaTRiX> its only my keyboard repeat rate ;/ 08:22:22 <z-MaTRiX> pushes key in after an instant 08:22:22 <norbert79> I used or still use a GB big HDD in my 486. Plain Bios can't see in full, DOS neither, yet Linux can. Has 40MB of RAM, have to cut off 8, when starting Simcity 2000 :D 08:22:31 <norbert79> 8 GB 08:22:48 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-095-033-159-155.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 08:22:50 <norbert79> (486 can handle HDD up to 4 GB or 6, can't recall) 08:24:11 <z-MaTRiX> ;/ 08:24:19 <z-MaTRiX> i only remember the 32GB bios bug 08:24:42 <norbert79> Well, 486's couldn't handle big HDD using DOS or Windows 98 08:24:54 <norbert79> but thje funny thing: Linux can use all the sapce 08:24:55 <norbert79> space 08:25:07 <z-MaTRiX> well i had a pentium II cpu with 40GB hdd 08:25:19 <z-MaTRiX> and a 486 is 32 bit also 08:25:26 <z-MaTRiX> with FPU 08:25:37 <norbert79> sure, mine was AMD 5x86-133 Mhz 08:25:40 <norbert79> is 08:25:44 <norbert79> cause I still have it 08:26:10 <z-MaTRiX> so the 486 board has a 8GB bug in hdd controller? 08:26:16 <norbert79> probably 08:26:40 <norbert79> I see also remarks when booting Slackware kernel telling, that BIOS cannot see HDD in full, working around of it 08:26:43 <z-MaTRiX> i believe the motherboard has the limit on memory too 08:26:51 <norbert79> sure, 64 MB 08:26:56 <z-MaTRiX> you cant put in 1GB edo modules ... 08:26:59 <z-MaTRiX> <; 08:27:06 <norbert79> no, not really possible :)) 08:27:13 <norbert79> besides mine aren't EDO :) 08:27:19 <norbert79> don't ask me what type, but sure not EDO 08:27:26 <PeanutHorst> mine could theoretically take 160MB 08:27:26 <norbert79> cause I tried them 08:27:38 <PeanutHorst> unless they've made 256MB 72-pin modules by now 08:27:39 <z-MaTRiX> SD ram ? 08:27:49 <PeanutHorst> norbert79: probably FPM 08:27:53 <z-MaTRiX> sd in 486 sounds new 08:27:54 <norbert79> PeanutHorst: Probably.. 08:28:10 <norbert79> PeanutHorst: But I have 2 16MB big modules, and my old two 4 MB 08:28:28 <norbert79> inside 08:28:36 *** lugo [bc6f57fe@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 08:28:39 <norbert79> And AWE 64... Heh, haters gonna hate :) 08:29:14 <z-MaTRiX> soon i'll upgrade my system too 08:29:45 <z-MaTRiX> phenom 2 x2 or x4, 4GB+ ddr3 @ 1333MHz 08:29:56 <z-MaTRiX> i'll set /tmp on ramfs 08:30:22 *** JVassie [~James@2.30.129.177] has joined #openttd 08:30:33 <z-MaTRiX> and i wontneed any swap :) 08:30:45 <peter1138> ... 08:30:51 <norbert79> SWAP is always necessary, unfortunetally 08:31:03 <norbert79> and in Linux without swap you cannot hibernate 08:31:06 <z-MaTRiX> dont tellme i need swap with 8GB ram 08:31:20 <norbert79> z-MaTRiX: Depends what you are running 08:31:24 <z-MaTRiX> never used more than 2GB 08:31:38 <norbert79> I would still make some measurements first 08:31:49 <peter1138> i need swap with 4GB RAM 08:32:12 <z-MaTRiX> ;/ 08:32:15 <norbert79> and /tmp on RAMFS is also kind of risky 08:32:26 <peter1138> not needed it with 6GB 08:32:33 <peter1138> though it's still there 08:32:34 <norbert79> and in Linux you would need at LEAST the size of your RAM for setting as SWAP 08:32:36 <peter1138> why is it risky? 08:32:51 <peter1138> /tmp tmpfs is going to be default at some point 08:33:04 <norbert79> peter1138: Some spcific files are stored in /tmp, in case for RAM error it could affect the functionality or working of important running applications 08:33:17 <norbert79> sure, but not /tmp in ramfs 08:33:21 <z-MaTRiX> well yes, tmpfs writes to swap if ram is getting full 08:33:29 <z-MaTRiX> ramfs wont 08:33:44 <norbert79> I would still store temporary files into temporary hard-disk space 08:33:47 <peter1138> hm 08:34:05 <norbert79> yet of course I always think in server-like situations... 08:34:18 <z-MaTRiX> norbert79<< i have seen guys putting /tmp on encrypted volume with random password on boot 08:34:31 <norbert79> Mine is full encrypted using LVM :) 08:34:32 <z-MaTRiX> also they used to delete everything on it at boot 08:34:48 <norbert79> sure, every distro does that, unless application defines otherwise 08:34:56 <norbert79> I use some which actively use /tmp 08:34:58 <z-MaTRiX> though redhat plas lol with it 08:35:04 <z-MaTRiX> plays 08:35:09 <norbert79> lot 08:35:14 <z-MaTRiX> lets system store rootkits in /tmp 08:35:34 <norbert79> if a rootkit gets to your system, it won't get bothered by /tmp :) 08:35:43 <norbert79> it will just screw yours up bad 08:36:18 <peter1138> hmm, run /tmp is on tmpfs for ages 08:36:21 <norbert79> Talking about UNIX, Dennis M Ritchie passed away :( 08:36:25 <peter1138> it's /var/run etc that's moving to tmpfs too 08:37:12 <z-MaTRiX> would be nice if they make default "noatime" everywhere 08:37:19 <norbert79> peter1138: Yeah, I am very 'happy' about that... Damn stupid, that will break tons of different distros when distupgrading... Or if it doesn't, it will sure cause some headaches. I already made a ~run on my / 08:37:29 <z-MaTRiX> itsa lol 08:37:42 *** JVassie_ [~James@2.30.129.177] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:38:28 *** JVassie_ [~James@2.30.129.177] has joined #openttd 08:38:41 *** JVassie [~James@2.30.129.177] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:38:42 <norbert79> Yet it sure serves more purpose than when having 'cdrom' in root... That wasn't funny either 08:38:58 <norbert79> and still isn't 08:39:13 <peter1138> yeah, that's... why? 08:39:24 <peter1138> and initrd/vmlinuz, for that matter 08:39:39 <peter1138> nobody uses those any more 08:39:53 <norbert79> I still prefer it 08:40:05 <norbert79> Never liked monolitic kernels 08:40:17 <z-MaTRiX> btw im considering to install a linux from scratch 08:40:40 <norbert79> z-MaTRiX: You don't have any girlfriend... And if you start with it, you will never have 08:40:46 <peter1138> eh? what does monolithic kernels have to do with it? 08:40:49 <z-MaTRiX> ahaha 08:40:49 <norbert79> it will take THAT ammount of time from your life :) 08:41:11 <z-MaTRiX> i write a bashscript for it 08:41:24 <norbert79> peter1138: How would you access an encrypted drive without initrd? 08:41:31 <norbert79> z-MaTRiX: Even worse then :D 08:41:40 <peter1138> norbert79, no reason for it to be in / 08:41:46 <peter1138> in /boot, yes... 08:41:48 <norbert79> peter1138: Oh, that 08:42:01 <peter1138> and they are in /boot 08:42:01 <norbert79> peter1138: Well, yes, but because of old UNIX compatibility 08:42:22 <norbert79> peter1138: and if you have no boot because it's not needed, having them in / is much easier 08:42:28 <norbert79> BSD's still use / for that 08:42:39 <norbert79> at least OpenBSD 3.4 did 08:42:49 <z-MaTRiX> clear;e=eval\ ;p=printf\ ;x="$e$p$";u=USER;n=NAME;r=$(stty -g);stty raw -echo;read -sn1 -p \[$($x$u)@$(${x}HOST$n):~\]$\ ;a="The Matrix has you now $(grep $($x$u$n) /etc/passwd |awk -F: '{print }')...";while [ "$a" ];do $p\%c "$a";a=${a:1};sleep .$(($RANDOM*20));done;stty "$r";$p\n 08:42:52 <z-MaTRiX> :) 08:43:24 <norbert79> it lists your /etc/passwd... so? 08:43:35 <norbert79> like passwords would be still there :) 08:43:36 <z-MaTRiX> not exactly 08:44:08 <norbert79> well, it modifies a bit too, but decent systems do backups of /etc/passwd ;-) 08:44:29 <z-MaTRiX> still cold 08:44:40 <norbert79> not in a mood for analysis, just tell 08:44:48 <norbert79> haven't eaten yet anything today 08:44:58 <z-MaTRiX> yeah sounds familiar 08:45:04 <z-MaTRiX> will go in a few mins too 08:45:22 <z-MaTRiX> well you can run it to test, its a bashscript 08:45:33 <norbert79> yeah, right... lol 08:45:47 <norbert79> not in a mood for chroot-ing it 08:45:55 <norbert79> so don't test me, just tell :) 08:46:25 <norbert79> (btw it was obvious of BASH... KSH uses partly some points different) 08:46:26 <z-MaTRiX> that'd not make it cool anymore 08:46:39 <norbert79> alright then don't... I am off eating 08:46:43 *** JVassie [~James@86.17.13.33] has joined #openttd 08:46:59 <z-MaTRiX> btw 08:47:16 <z-MaTRiX> clear;e=eval\ ;p=printf\ ;x="$e$p$";u=USER;n=NAME;r=$(stty -g);stty raw -echo;read -sn1 -p \[$($x$u)@$(${x}HOST$n):~\]$\ ;while read -n1 a;do $p \$($p '%03o' $(($($p'%d' "'"$($p'%c' "$a")"")-1)));sleep .$(($RANDOM*2));done< <($p\%q 'Uif!Nbusjy!ibt!zpv!'"$($p'%s' "$(grep $($x$u$n) /etc/passwd |awk -F: '{print }')" | while read -n1 y;do $p'%c' "$($p\$($p'%03o' $(($($p'%d' "'$($p'%c' "$y")")+1))))"; 08:47:30 <z-MaTRiX> done;)"'///');stty "$r";$p\n 08:47:35 <z-MaTRiX> here it is more obscured 08:50:35 *** DDR_ [~chatzilla@142.179.78.88] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 7.0.1/20110928224508]] 08:51:57 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A5B1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:52:42 *** JVassie_ [~James@2.30.129.177] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:53:49 <Elukka> today i learned that there is an entire line of HO scale couples in the act of boinking 08:54:11 <Elukka> an interesting detail for a layout, i suppose 08:55:10 <Korenn> Elukka: time to model up a brothel? :P 08:55:35 <Elukka> well there's enough different ones to make it work 08:58:44 <PeanutHorst> ... 08:59:00 <PeanutHorst> yeah this is why I'm not into scale modelling. 08:59:18 <Elukka> sexy, sexy scale modelling 08:59:29 <PeanutHorst> ... you're not helping your case. 09:00:25 <Elukka> okay, how about simply awesome modelling? 09:00:26 <Elukka> http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l327/pabrs/modelrailroad%202011/modelbaan-2011-06-25-50d-20225-int.jpg 09:00:28 <Elukka> (not mine) 09:02:46 <Korenn> I used to be impressed with model railroad builders, until I met warhammer players. those guys are nuts :P 09:03:22 <Elukka> i've done some warhammer 09:03:48 <Elukka> i contend there are more insane model railroaders 09:03:50 <Korenn> I did too. until I found out that I couldn't be arsed with all the detail for single figures 09:04:00 <Elukka> http://www.turkishmodeltrains.com/selcuk/selcuk9pi.jpg 09:04:02 <Korenn> possibly, never met them 09:04:08 <norbert79> Elukka: The Konditorei looks lovely 09:04:20 <Elukka> i wish i had the skill 09:04:23 <norbert79> Elukka: Wow to the second one too 09:04:28 <norbert79> It takes patience 09:04:32 <Elukka> HO figures are a lot smaller than warhammer figures too :P 09:04:34 <norbert79> use to do maquettes 09:04:53 <peter1138> that last one almost doesn't look like a model 09:05:05 <norbert79> peter1138: Agree 09:05:05 <peter1138> the figures are obvious 09:05:09 <peter1138> and the shadows are too crisp 09:05:18 <norbert79> peter1138: But it is a model 09:05:28 <peter1138> norbert79, exactly... 09:05:44 <norbert79> Thats the amazing part :) 09:05:55 <peter1138> tbh 09:05:55 <Elukka> my extent of scratchbuilding so far... http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z113/Elucca/Railway/brickwall.jpg kinda messy but i think it'll do for an old worn down building 09:06:01 <peter1138> i looked at the second one first 09:06:08 <peter1138> it wasn't until i looked at the first one that i realised :p 09:06:32 <norbert79> Elukka: Now that's a challenge 09:07:11 <Korenn> that's pretty cool. But personally I rather put my creativity into making digital stuff - that way it can be used more than just once :) 09:07:29 <Elukka> i do digital too :P 09:07:39 <norbert79> Korenn: If you do real stuff and then digital or the opposite, the one helps always the other 09:07:46 <Korenn> nowadays you could model that wall in digital and have it 3d printed 09:07:51 <norbert79> Korenn: Since it's the tool different, not the topic 09:08:06 <Elukka> 3D printing has issues 09:08:20 <Elukka> i've yet to see any affordable 3D printing service that has good enough quality 09:08:26 <Elukka> plus even then it's expensive 09:08:39 <Korenn> norbert79: sure, but the results aren't usable in the same way. if I model a wall like that in Blender it will take about the same amount of time, but I can spawn the wall in my games thousands of times, and use it in lots of projects. 09:08:53 <norbert79> I have seen one recording, which provides good 3d quality, but it sure is expensive 09:08:59 <Elukka> yes but your wall doesn't actually exist in the physical world :P 09:09:00 <Korenn> while as a physical thing you only have the one 09:09:13 <Korenn> Elukka: unless you have it printed :) 09:09:22 <norbert79> Korenn: Sure, but achiving the same effect, like a busted wall is being done the same way, or can be done 09:09:32 <Korenn> though ofcourse 09:09:43 <Korenn> if you're talking 3d printer, one should also include 3d scanner 09:09:49 <Korenn> which would allow the reverse 09:09:55 <Korenn> but is a bit broken still, in practice 09:09:56 <Elukka> i'd love to just 3D model stuff and have it printed 09:10:03 <Elukka> the technology isn't quite there yet, though 09:10:11 <norbert79> not true 09:10:14 <Elukka> http://www.pienoismallit.net/media/kuvat/07/15/29/071529.jpg 09:10:15 *** hanf [~Klaus@host-89-240-252-20.as13285.net] has joined #openttd 09:10:17 <Elukka> when a print looks like that... 09:10:17 <Korenn> Elukka: we use http://www.shapeways.com/ 09:10:22 <norbert79> I have seen one company doing 3d printing on a business level 09:10:31 <Elukka> yeah i know shapeways 09:10:45 <Korenn> they do metal too 09:10:51 <Elukka> of course if you're enough of a madman you can still make http://www.pienoismallit.net/media/kuvat/08/53/51/085351.jpg out of that 09:10:56 <Korenn> and with a little bit of filing, it looks really awesome 09:10:58 <Elukka> yeah they do and its humongously expensive 09:11:19 <norbert79> or you take the time and make it on your own using real materials :) 09:11:37 <norbert79> like good ol' times 09:11:49 <norbert79> buying steel, forming it... 09:12:13 <Elukka> i considered using shapeways but didn't figure any real use for it 09:12:14 <Elukka> modeling wise 09:12:33 <norbert79> Elukka: One example, if you are a Sci-Fi fan you can get easily different accessories through them 09:12:41 <norbert79> Elukka: Like a communicator in Star Trek 09:12:58 <Elukka> i also considered printing some of my 3D spaceships for fun :P 09:13:04 <Elukka> but too expensive, not good enough looking 09:13:15 <norbert79> why not printing it part by part? 09:13:20 <norbert79> and then assemble it 09:13:22 <norbert79> :) 09:13:28 <Elukka> it's still not gonna be any cheaper or look any better 09:13:41 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@145.93.101.98] has joined #openttd 09:13:44 <norbert79> well, not sure on the look side 09:13:49 <norbert79> but sure on the expensive part 09:15:32 <Elukka> they charge by volume of material used 09:15:50 <Elukka> doesn't matter how complex the model is 09:16:40 <Elukka> kinda curious now how much wall sections and stuff like that would cost though 09:16:47 <Elukka> and if there's some way to smooth out the grain 09:17:16 <norbert79> 3D printing is nice when building maquettes 09:17:33 <norbert79> easier regaining lost parts 09:17:51 <norbert79> where in the past you had to buy the whole box to get what was missing 09:18:04 <norbert79> and creating the parts wasn't cheap either 09:18:14 <norbert79> or take Lego 09:18:24 <norbert79> well, maybe Lego is not a good example 09:18:28 <norbert79> but you get the idea 09:20:17 <Elukka> huh. shapeways has improved since last i looked 09:38:37 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@145.93.101.98] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:39:34 *** hanf [~Klaus@host-89-240-252-20.as13285.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:59:33 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 10:22:41 *** Eddi|zuHause3 is now known as Eddi|zuHause2 10:22:43 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 10:30:16 *** KenjiE20 [~Kenji@host-92-8-77-176.as43234.net] has joined #openttd 10:39:09 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:45:04 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 11:00:52 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-37-239.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:08:09 <norbert79> this is a quiet day 11:21:27 <Eddi|zuHause> actually, this is one of the most active mornings das in the past year or so 11:24:08 <Eddi|zuHause> -das 11:32:12 <planetmaker> the bricks on the model are all wrong: they'd usually be shifted 25 ... 50% against the ones in the next row 11:32:40 <planetmaker> and... this referred to a very old comment in this channel... 11:32:55 <planetmaker> note to self: scroll down 11:32:58 <peter1138> heh 11:34:10 <Elukka> yeah, it's just doing that would add several hours to it 11:34:16 <Elukka> assuming you mean the thing i did 11:34:40 <planetmaker> yes, I do 11:34:56 <Elukka> it'd just take too long 11:35:04 <peter1138> but look better 11:35:11 <peter1138> unless you want it to look like tiles 11:35:23 <Elukka> it already takes bloody hours 11:35:24 <planetmaker> it'd look a lot better 11:35:37 <Elukka> now imagine carving every single less than 1 mm tall brick 11:35:38 <Elukka> separately 11:35:47 <Elukka> thousands of them 11:36:07 <Elukka> i'm sure better methods exist, i just don't know of them 11:38:19 <planetmaker> Elukka: don't carve each. But carve horizontal lines and then add vertical ones 11:38:35 <Elukka> every vertical line separately if the bricks are to be displaced 11:38:50 <planetmaker> ? 11:39:31 <planetmaker> but yes, you'd carve a bit. but... hours? 11:39:45 <Elukka> it sure would take a while 11:39:56 <norbert79> Worth knowing how it would look 11:40:36 <Elukka> it really would need another method of doing it 11:41:07 <Elukka> i count that one wall would require approximately 1600 individual vertical lines 11:41:51 <Elukka> vs. 40 or so for the 'tile-like' bricks 11:43:22 <planetmaker> well. carving dashed lines is not that bad as carving completely independent ones 11:43:56 <Elukka> seems very difficult to carve them accurately enough as a dashed line 11:44:12 <Elukka> remember, the tiles are like 2.5 mm wide, 1 mm high 11:44:39 <planetmaker> then create a wire-mesh which you imprint on it 11:45:58 <Elukka> hmm 11:46:51 <Elukka> i'm looking into premade products at the moment 11:47:08 <Elukka> i really need a better wall material too 11:47:24 <Elukka> what i've been using is a kind of a... hard cardboard? kind of thing 11:48:45 *** nirox [~nirox@94-246-44.52.3p.ntebredband.no] has joined #openttd 11:50:26 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:52:42 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:52:57 <Elukka> http://www.pienoismallit.net/media/kuvat/07/89/29/078929.jpg 11:53:03 <Elukka> the best looking self made model brick building i've ever seen 11:53:23 <peter1138> impressive 11:54:03 <planetmaker> quite 11:54:22 *** Toshiba [~nirox@94-246-44.52.3p.ntebredband.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:54:55 *** Toshiba [~nirox@94-246-44.52.3p.ntebredband.no] has joined #openttd 11:55:00 <Elukka> it only takes a few decades' experience and a lot of esoteric tools and substances :P 11:55:40 <norbert79> Elukka: is that your work? 11:55:45 <Elukka> no :D 11:55:58 <norbert79> Damn looks sexy 11:56:11 <norbert79> best work so far I have ever seen 12:00:30 *** nirox [~nirox@94-246-44.52.3p.ntebredband.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:02:26 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has joined #openttd 12:02:57 *** Toshiba [~nirox@94-246-44.52.3p.ntebredband.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:08:36 <Elukka> http://i.imgur.com/wmkyS.jpg 12:09:41 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-016-180.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:21:15 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:903f:dc0a:c832:57f9] has joined #openttd 12:21:18 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:27:28 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4d08e937.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:33:10 <peter1138> ALL THE LADIES 12:33:46 <norbert79> GET INTO THE KITCHEN! 12:33:55 *** norbert79 was kicked from #openttd by peter1138 [norbert79] 12:34:17 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice4n2.emea.ibm.com] has joined #openttd 12:34:23 <norbert79> lol? :) 12:39:11 <Eddi|zuHause> how about using actual bricks? :p 12:39:23 <Eddi|zuHause> saves you carving any lines :p 12:39:32 <PeanutHorst> ALL THE SINGLE LADIES 12:40:51 <norbert79> ...damn you PeanutHorst, have no good idea because of "SINGLE" 12:41:10 <norbert79> without it it was easier :) 12:41:19 <peter1138> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLJ5a6aJOb8 12:43:55 <PeanutHorst> norbert79: it goes "IF YOU LIKED IT THEN YOU SHOULDA PUT A RING ON IT" 12:44:19 <norbert79> PeanutHorst: Life is never that easy or simple, I know that ;-) 12:44:35 <norbert79> PeanutHorst: It's not like buying an iPhone ;-) 12:45:34 <PeanutHorst> trust is like an iPhone screen... once you break it ... 12:45:44 <PeanutHorst> it's time to buy a new iPhone, on a two-year contract :> 12:45:49 <norbert79> lol 13:33:25 *** lugo [bc6f57fe@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 13:48:10 *** lugo [bc6f57fe@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 13:53:46 <appe> android. 13:55:53 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-78-102-180-56.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 14:03:44 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@ip-78-102-180-56.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 14:08:27 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-78-102-180-56.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:13:50 <norbert79> Oh my god, oh my god, oh my god... Boardwalk Empire Season 2 is out, and I almost missed the first three episodes... 14:15:15 <planetmaker> you have sooo my pity 14:15:52 <norbert79> planetmaker: Thank you, let me give you a hug... 14:23:50 *** pjpe [ade6a119@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 14:30:06 <dihedral> urgs 14:30:27 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@ip-78-102-180-56.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:30:44 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-78-102-180-56.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 14:39:58 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 14:51:02 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice4n2.emea.ibm.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving for now. Bye everyone!] 14:58:00 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 15:21:06 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A5B1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:22:18 *** lugo [bc6f57fe@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 15:30:41 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-168-118.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 15:31:47 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0a9627.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 15:32:36 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:50:17 <Terkhen> hmm... I suppose it is okay to hardcode CT_PASSENGERS for passenger subsidies, since houses are "hardcoded" to produce passengers too 15:50:40 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 15:51:38 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-37-239.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 16:00:48 <dihedral> unless of course you start creating different types of passengers 16:01:19 <dihedral> of... different ... ethnical ... backgrounds.... 16:01:26 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-37-239.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:02:35 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-37-239.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 16:02:45 <b_jonas> dihedral: not of different ethnical backgrounds, but of different financial backgrounds 16:02:57 <dihedral> hehe 16:03:06 <b_jonas> managers is a new cargo type that pays more than passengers but less of them fit to a vehicle 16:03:15 <b_jonas> they travel on first class 16:03:32 <b_jonas> so passengers are split to managers and tourists 16:05:19 <Terkhen> the only difference is that "passengers" subsidies are more frequent than any other 16:05:29 <Terkhen> hmm... OpenTTD does not scale the amount of subtitles to map size :O 16:05:47 <Terkhen> should it? 16:07:41 <Terkhen> err, s/subtitles/subsidies/ 16:08:10 <Elukka> hmm 16:08:13 <Terkhen> now it's quite obvious what I'm planning to do when I get tired of coding 16:08:33 <Elukka> is there already an option for the amount of subsidies? 16:08:37 <Elukka> frequency i mean 16:08:38 <Terkhen> nope 16:08:46 <Elukka> i think that may be better than scaling it to map size 16:09:02 <Terkhen> why not both? 16:09:07 <Elukka> well, sure 16:09:33 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@nsc.ciup.fr] has joined #openttd 16:10:01 <b_jonas> why not scale it by the number of industries and towns instead? 16:10:47 <Elukka> well i just wouldn't want subsidies to be popping up left and right everywhere just because i'm playing a big map 16:11:26 <Terkhen> b_jonas: because that would be more complicated 16:11:41 <Terkhen> for that, IMO a manual option to tweak the amount would be better 16:11:49 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.168.243] has joined #openttd 16:12:36 <b_jonas> how about just scaling with the expected number of industries and towns, computed from the map size multiplied by the difficult options setting the number of towns/industries? 16:13:35 <Terkhen> sorry, what? 16:13:47 <Terkhen> isn't the expected number what the difficulty says? 16:14:12 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:14:32 <b_jonas> Terkhen: I think the expected number is that product. With the same difficulty settings, you get more industries on a larger map. 16:14:47 <Terkhen> ah, I misunderstood you 16:14:57 <Terkhen> IMO you don't need to complicate things that much 16:16:12 <Terkhen> since subsidies have low base probability anyways, you will not notice small changes 16:18:02 <b_jonas> but then Elukka has a point too: more subsidies might mean more messages (though I have them hidden in the message settings) 16:18:39 <Terkhen> that could be solved with a global parameter that affects the amount regardless of size 16:36:08 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:36:11 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 16:37:35 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 16:39:01 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-168-118.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [] 16:44:27 *** hanf [~Klaus@host-2-96-18-188.as13285.net] has joined #openttd 16:46:07 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe93dd00-34.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 16:53:19 *** pugi__ [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-054-253.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 16:53:33 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@vpn97.ext.espci.fr] has joined #openttd 16:58:35 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-095-033-159-155.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:58:36 *** pugi__ is now known as pugi 16:58:45 *** valhalla2w [~valhallas@nsc.ciup.fr] has joined #openttd 16:59:38 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@nsc.ciup.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:01:57 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@vpn97.ext.espci.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:21:44 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc0dc.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:26:37 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:35:04 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 17:48:33 <Elukka> Eddi|zuHause: did you make magic pink work or figure out a new way for wagon loads yet? 17:53:17 *** KenjiE20 [~Kenji@host-92-8-77-176.as43234.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:55:43 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-168-118.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 18:04:25 <Terkhen> currently, subsidy code tries to establish a passenger subsidy by choosing two towns at random, and if that fail they choose a random cargo from a random industry 18:05:16 <Terkhen> I wonder what would be the best way to decide source and destination if we consider that towns can produce and accept anything, opposed to produce only passengers and accept only TE_FOOD and TE_GOODS cargos 18:05:47 <Terkhen> I'm thinking on letting the passenger part as it stands now (they should be more common anyways) 18:06:22 <Terkhen> after that, choose a random cargo and look for appropiate source/destination 18:06:34 <Terkhen> but I think that the random cargo idea is not a good one 18:06:36 <Terkhen> hmmm 18:09:12 <Pinkbeast> Couldn't it start by picking a random unserviced industry or town? 18:10:58 <Terkhen> if you choose a random industry or town, you will end up with too much mail subsidies 18:11:17 <Terkhen> although... maybe that's not a bad thing 18:11:35 <Pinkbeast> And defining an unserviced town is tricky especially in cargodist/YACD worlds. 18:12:08 <Pinkbeast> However, I have one passenger here waiting to go to the pub, so I must leave it here. 18:12:11 <Terkhen> that part of the code is already taken care of 18:12:32 <Terkhen> see you 18:16:15 <Alberth> perhaps try to distribute the subsidies evenly over the map? 18:17:05 <Alberth> (by picking a 'good' towns, then deciding what cargo it has/needs?) 18:17:19 <Terkhen> hmm... it should do that, yes 18:17:22 <Terkhen> it would be nice 18:17:33 <Terkhen> but I still need a way to get a good random source 18:17:51 <Terkhen> the current code just chooses two random industries and if they are not close enough it tries again :P 18:18:14 <Terkhen> maybe I should just give a % chance of town/industry source, it's simple 18:18:51 <Terkhen> then it could pick up a source that is far enough from existing subsidy sources 18:19:26 <b_jonas> why would you want to distribute them evenly on the map? 18:19:34 <Alberth> yeah, don't make it complicated sounds like a good idea 18:22:03 <Terkhen> b_jonas: sometimes I get three subsidies with the same source, that's not very useful 18:22:12 <Terkhen> hmm... or maybe it was same destination, I don't remember 18:22:26 <b_jonas> same destination shouldn't be a problem 18:22:43 <Terkhen> no, but it is boring :P 18:22:44 <b_jonas> same source same cargo type is not very useful, so maybe you want to check that, yes 18:23:51 <b_jonas> make an interface for AI scripts to choose subsidies and leave it to the AI developers to come up with interesting or evil AIs. :-) 18:24:22 <Terkhen> that's a job for a future goal framework 18:24:31 <Terkhen> which I have no intention to code :P 18:27:00 *** hanf [~Klaus@host-2-96-18-188.as13285.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:27:10 *** KenjiE20 [~Kenji@host-92-8-77-176.as43234.net] has joined #openttd 18:39:01 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 18:44:26 *** perk11 [~perk11@188.32.29.238] has joined #openttd 18:50:00 <Alberth> b_jonas: except players don't make subsidy offers to other players 18:51:24 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 18:59:21 <b_jonas> Alberth: sure, it would be more like a GRF thingy 19:00:10 *** Wolfsherz [~Wolfsherz@p57A6EDA7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:00:37 * Alberth is pretty sure you don't want to code subsidy offers in NFO either :p 19:00:39 <appe> http://rationalreality.50webs.com/godel_files/godel2.jpg 19:00:40 <appe> <3 19:01:02 *** Wolfsherz [~Wolfsherz@p57A6EDA7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 19:13:19 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-202-169.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:14:18 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-58-251.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 19:19:27 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-37-239.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:22:31 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc15-aztw25-2-0-cust3.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:25:24 <andythenorth> efening 19:26:12 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-202-169.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:26:32 <supermop> hello andy 19:28:35 <Alberth> hi andy 19:29:44 <Elukka> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OH8joSKRPAE 19:29:46 <Elukka> china 2003 19:29:48 <Elukka> pretty awesome 19:33:28 *** jpx_ [~jpx_@a91-156-241-104.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:34:59 *** jpx_ [~jpx_@a91-156-241-104.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 19:44:55 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@vpn97.ext.espci.fr] has joined #openttd 19:46:55 *** valhalla2w [~valhallas@nsc.ciup.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:48:45 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc15-aztw25-2-0-cust3.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 19:49:55 *** Elukka [Elukka@89-166-103-135.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 19:52:32 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc15-aztw25-2-0-cust3.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:54:15 *** Wolfsherz [~Wolfsherz@p57A6EDA7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:55:24 *** Wolfsherz [~Wolfsherz@p57A6EDA7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 20:01:21 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe93dd00-34.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 20:23:08 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc15-aztw25-2-0-cust3.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 20:25:18 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:25:52 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-016-180.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Python is way too complicated... 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