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00:03:55 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe93dd00-34.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 00:14:49 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 00:52:33 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@193.52.24.37] has quit [Quit: zzzzzzzz] 00:59:00 *** Adambean [~AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 01:11:51 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19971.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:28:32 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-015-112.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:28:48 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-079-012.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 02:35:57 *** pjpe [ae5b514a@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 02:36:18 *** pjpe [ae5b514a@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 03:00:51 *** KenjiE20 [kenjie20@free.blinkenshell.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:06:12 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.169.239] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:07:26 *** Nite_Owl [~chatzilla@c-66-229-196-153.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 03:14:19 <Nite_Owl> Any ye ole developer types still around ?? 03:16:22 <Nite_Owl> Always the wrong time of day for me... 03:16:26 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-079-012.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 03:16:48 <Nite_Owl> or is it "wrong time of night" ? 03:21:57 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-188-100-208-041.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 03:24:45 <Nite_Owl> Anyhoot - there is a serious game crashing flaw in tonight's compiled nightly release (r23432). Open the "available trains" drop down and as you click down the list, at some point, the game will crash. I tried this with several train sets. I suspect that the culprit might be commit 23419 as it is the only commit dealing with sprites but I could be wrong. The previously released compiled... 03:24:47 <Nite_Owl> ...nightly (23401) works correctly. 03:28:07 <Nite_Owl> This should be easily repeatable for anyone giving it a try. Hopefully someone will read the logs at a more reasonable hour for your part of the world and see this info. I will try and be around at a more reasonable hour tomorrow should more info be needed. 03:28:09 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-137-047.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:30:18 <Nite_Owl> If needed I will do the Flyspray thing as a last resort but this should be easy to duplicate. Later all. 03:31:26 *** Nite_Owl [~chatzilla@c-66-229-196-153.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 8.0.1/20111120135848]] 03:55:56 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:45c2:59ab:25ca:ed64] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:10:20 *** MinchinWeb [~6034f4d5@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 05:17:29 *** MinchinWeb [~6034f4d5@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 05:52:56 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-98-135.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:53:07 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7328D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:53:08 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-98-135.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 05:53:29 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B741B6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:11:28 <planetmaker> moin 06:11:49 <Rubidium> moin planetmaker 06:19:26 <Prof_Frink> Monday rears its ugly head once more 06:27:03 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@ip-86-49-59-25.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 06:33:41 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0a9627.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:44:18 *** JVassie_ [~James@2.27.86.24] has joined #openttd 06:56:50 <Lachie> planetmaker: what up? 07:08:41 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.26.172] has joined #openttd 07:15:20 <planetmaker> usually the direction anti-parallel to the gravitational vector 07:15:22 *** supermop_ [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop_] 07:16:48 *** JVassie_ [~James@2.27.86.24] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:20:50 <Lachie> it is said. 07:23:36 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-124-37.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:27:04 <SpComb> today is a silly monday that doesn't actually exist 07:27:19 <V453000> oh great I am not going anywhere nor going to do any work then :D 07:27:42 <appe> :e 07:27:42 <SpComb> because tomorrow is a national holiday and yesterday was sunday 07:28:45 <V453000> hm I cant seem to replicate the bug Nite_Owl talked about at 04:27 CET :z 07:44:05 <peter1138> the joy of "easily reproducible" bugs 07:53:10 <planetmaker> NiteOwl's one? 07:53:29 <Xaroth> want a copy/paste? 07:56:58 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@ip-86-49-59-25.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:57:01 <planetmaker> I'd like a bug report with a step-by-step on how to reproduce with a crash log, Xaroth 07:59:37 <peter1138> quite 07:59:51 <Xaroth> planetmaker: wait what? 08:00:03 <Xaroth> I'm not going to figure that all out 08:00:07 <Xaroth> i got a LoL game to play! :P 08:00:36 <planetmaker> I can read the irc fine. But it's 100% pointless without more info or a crash log 08:00:43 <planetmaker> could as well not have been written 08:01:55 * Xaroth shrugs 08:01:59 <planetmaker> if one cannot reproduce it 08:02:04 <planetmaker> which I can't either 08:05:35 <V453000> I was actually scrolling through train lists all evening yesterday and I did not encounter any "serious game crashing flaw" as he refered to 08:16:20 <appe> does ttd always create a crash log? 08:16:24 <appe> or is that a feature 08:20:57 <planetmaker> ttd has no such feature 08:25:31 <appe> and where do you mean this should come from? 08:25:56 <Lachie> ttdp does? 08:27:31 <Yexo> appe: ttd usually refers to "transport tycoon deluxe", not to OpenTTD 08:28:32 <planetmaker> openttd usually does when it crashes 08:28:44 <appe> oh 08:28:59 <appe> i was refering to ottd. :) 08:30:06 <planetmaker> you should say what you mean otherwise you'll never mean what you say ;-) 08:32:41 <planetmaker> Lachie: ttdp iirc has also some sort of crash log 08:42:16 <appe> :) 08:45:29 <Lachie> that was more of a rhetorical question mark 08:46:28 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A46F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:49:37 *** TrueBrain [~patric@145.118.73.176] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:52:24 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-178-004-181-249.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 08:54:01 *** Celestar [~dax@82.113.119.231] has joined #openttd 08:54:09 <Celestar> \o 08:57:37 <peter1138> morning 08:59:13 <Eddi|zuHause> why is there always a cat sleeping wherever i want to sit down? 08:59:51 <peter1138> because you haven't got rid of it yet 09:01:04 <peter1138> hmm, back in the office after 2 weeks off 09:01:12 <peter1138> no-one else in :p 09:02:00 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: "Hunde haben Herrchen, Katzen haben Personal" ;-) 09:05:39 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: how many cats you got? 09:06:19 <Eddi|zuHause> 2 09:13:03 <Celestar> ;) 09:18:00 * Celestar likes cats 09:21:41 <Lachie> I love cats. When we get a place that allows pets myself and the girlfriend are going to buy one 09:23:07 <Eddi|zuHause> where do you find places that don't allow pets? 09:23:55 <peter1138> rental properties 09:23:57 <peter1138> most don't 09:24:20 * Eddi|zuHause never heard about that 09:26:02 <planetmaker> in Germany you cannot disallow a cat iirc 09:26:11 <planetmaker> though you can disallow a dog 09:26:25 <Lachie> wish we had German rental laws then. 09:26:57 <planetmaker> but as usual: ianal 09:27:11 <Lachie> but the whole layout of the place isn't particularly pet-friendly regardless 09:28:49 <peter1138> telnet to imap server: 09:28:51 <peter1138> * BYE Connection refused 09:29:06 <peter1138> well no, you accepted the connection, then closed it... 09:29:40 <Lachie> derpaderp 09:31:57 <Lachie> alright, ECS, FIRS, what's more popular with the kids these days? 09:32:49 <peter1138> PBI :DF 09:33:19 <Lachie> that's what I use still, but I understand people like having a ridiculous amount of cargos 09:35:25 <peter1138> 32 isn't enough! 09:35:26 <Celestar> PBI? 09:35:32 <Celestar> plain basic industries? 09:36:02 <Lachie> Pikka's Base Industries? 09:41:44 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:42:57 <Lachie> Could ofcourse just pick the 32 cargoes I feel would be most useful in the Australian climate and define them first 09:44:42 <peter1138> passengers, mail, lager, lager, lager, lager, lager, bruce 09:45:21 <peter1138> Lachie, define them first? are you talking refit masks? 09:46:20 <Sacro> some of them sheilas? 09:46:41 <Lachie> labels 09:46:42 <Sacro> peter1138: what happened to pikka's industries :( 09:46:49 <Lachie> and we like a good Draught too 09:47:31 <peter1138> they still work? 09:47:37 <peter1138> you can have 255 labels, iirc 09:48:06 <Eddi|zuHause> Lachie: if you restrict your GRF to OpenTTD 1.2 (nightly and above) then there's no need to stick to 32 cargos 09:48:52 <Lachie> considering the time it's going to take to bring the NSW Set back up to release standard, that's not a bad idea. 09:49:03 <Eddi|zuHause> below that, it's only the refit mask that has that limit 09:49:39 <Lachie> it may well be OTTD 4.7 by the time I actually get this released 09:49:43 <peter1138> :D 09:50:29 <peter1138> i remember seeing the landscape several years ago 09:50:54 <Lachie> yeah, that's still kicking around. 09:50:58 *** pjpe [ae5b514a@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 09:51:12 <peter1138> it should be released :S 09:51:17 <peter1138> and stuck on bananas 09:51:27 <Lachie> the problem with the landscape is that the graphics aren't actually complete. 09:54:01 <Lachie> and while I don't mind my skill at recolouring train sprites and doing the odd original bit, drawing landscape tiles is beyond my skills and, to be completely honest tedious as fuck 10:04:10 <planetmaker> which landscape? The australian? 10:07:13 <planetmaker> http://imagebin.org/187062 <-- I implemented that once as a NewGRF as part of OpenGFX+ Landscape 10:07:52 <planetmaker> But I may only use that on the condition that I write a completely separate NewGRF. Well. That's not going to happen 10:09:17 <peter1138> what? 10:09:40 <peter1138> strange license terms? 10:09:46 <planetmaker> the graphics have no license 10:09:52 <peter1138> hm 10:09:55 <peter1138> useful 10:09:57 <planetmaker> and I asked the artist and concurrently implemented it 10:10:08 <planetmaker> and was done when I received that reply ;-) 10:10:31 <planetmaker> The graphics have been laying around for 5 years. I now know why 10:11:16 <peter1138> heh 10:11:33 <planetmaker> it would be released by now as savannah 'climate', if I'd had been given a 'sure, please do' 10:11:52 <peter1138> what was the exact response? heh 10:12:42 <Lachie> this is an interesting development. 10:13:15 <Lachie> yeah, those graphics come under my managerial wing 10:13:38 <Lachie> never knew you wanted them though 10:14:32 <Lachie> but yeah, the only reason they weren't released years ago is because they aren't strictly complete 10:14:58 <planetmaker> http://pastebin.com/yQV5yh6p 10:15:02 <planetmaker> ^ peter1138 10:15:09 <Lachie> they're also meant to be temperate graphics :P 10:15:35 <planetmaker> Lachie: complete or not. I'd have done all necessary work myself to make it a complete landscape set 10:15:56 <planetmaker> I actually had done that, it just would need a few more exports from the graphics file 10:16:22 <planetmaker> no further coding work except a bit copy&paste required. Everything already templated 10:16:22 <Lachie> indeed. well, a complete release isn't that far away, so rejoice. 10:16:43 <Lachie> the whole thing's coded on my end, just needed a few extra pieces 10:17:16 <planetmaker> well. IMHO it doesn't make the response better ;-) 10:17:37 <peter1138> how is it tied into opengf? 10:17:38 <peter1138> +x 10:17:49 <planetmaker> by the name of the landscape newgrf 10:18:04 <planetmaker> which will give you wanter in opengfx style then 10:18:21 <Lachie> I understand where he's coming from though. I really hope I'm not creating animosity, I appreciate OpenGFX and how it's improved OTTD 10:18:28 <planetmaker> and actually roads and rails, too 10:18:49 *** DDR [~chatzilla@142.179.78.88] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:19:03 <Lachie> but it's always been, from an end user point of view, as something made by faceless people. coalroads has done a beautiful job on the graphics and he deserves full credit for it. 10:19:13 <planetmaker> Lachie: the preference of whatever base set doesn't lend this response good reason. 10:19:28 <planetmaker> Anyone is free to take my code, and modify it and attach additional / other sprites 10:19:33 <planetmaker> little work to do. 10:19:41 <planetmaker> But it's arrogant to assume I'll do that work, too 10:20:12 <planetmaker> "faceless people"? 10:20:46 <planetmaker> you think credits are not given? 10:20:47 <Lachie> put it this way. I don't know anyone who's worked on the OpenGFX. I assume from this discussion that you have, but I never knew before this instance. 10:21:39 <Eddi|zuHause> i agree, putting an "opengfx" label on your grf makes it very unpersonal 10:22:08 <planetmaker> And how could that be changed? 10:22:26 <planetmaker> why does it make it unpersonal? 10:22:37 <planetmaker> honest question 10:23:06 <planetmaker> of course, no single NewGRF covers what OpenGFX covers. Has to cover 10:23:09 <V453000> if you have a newgrf with only 1 name under it, it is more obvious who did what I guess 10:23:19 <Eddi|zuHause> if you say "alpine climate" you have an immediate association "by MB" 10:23:30 <Eddi|zuHause> if you say "opengfx landscape" there is nothing 10:23:37 <Eddi|zuHause> it's an anonymous mass 10:23:50 <peter1138> + SetRoadType(t, ROADTYPESTORE_SECOND, rt2); 10:23:51 <peter1138> hmm 10:23:55 <peter1138> i guess this is my roadtypes code... 10:24:16 <Lachie> honest answer. It just seems like each GFX is just another opengfx set 10:24:29 <planetmaker> eh? 10:24:32 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: is that an "oh, i found what i was searching for 2 weeks ago" :p 10:24:39 <peter1138> no, not really 10:24:47 <peter1138> although it is in a dir called "trunk" 10:25:02 <Eddi|zuHause> it's not like that ever meant anything :p 10:25:50 <Lachie> my wording's poor at this time of the night. Spend all day creating english and now I have no capability to write anything resembling sense. 10:26:13 <peter1138> hmm, and my attempt at delaunay/voronoi 10:26:25 <planetmaker> well. But sounds like I just should scrap OpenGFX*. And leave ;-) 10:26:26 <Lachie> what I mean is, there's a certain... anonymity about anything under the guise of OpenGFX 10:26:31 <Lachie> no. 10:26:34 <planetmaker> Not appreciated. Anonymous. Pointless 10:26:44 <planetmaker> And considered bad. Not worth to contribute 10:26:51 <Lachie> you completely disregarded the very first thing I said befoer I started talking about this. 10:26:57 <planetmaker> That's the attitude communicated. Frequently 10:27:06 <peter1138> opengfx is kinda anonymous 10:27:19 <peter1138> i don't think that's anything bad though 10:27:37 <Eddi|zuHause> nobody said that it's bad 10:28:22 <Eddi|zuHause> but i mean that i understand why some artists don't want to throw their stuff in there 10:28:31 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, it can easily be taken as implied 10:28:58 <peter1138> personally i prefer the original graphics, but i think opengfx is fantastic too 10:29:22 <peter1138> part of that is no doubt a "what i'm used to" thing too 10:29:30 <Lachie> at first I preferred the original graphics but now I use OpenGFX. I prefer it now. 10:29:38 <Lachie> indeed, it's a bit of a change. 10:30:33 <peter1138> now that we had a text viewer, who wants to implement support for hyperlinks? :D 10:30:37 <peter1138> *have 10:32:06 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: implement a html browser :) 10:34:00 <peter1138> someone⢠shouldâ¢! 10:34:45 <appe> hah 10:34:57 <appe> that reminds me 10:35:07 <appe> http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/49224_1823884771_1471_n.jpg 10:35:35 <Yexo> http://devs.openttd.org/~yexo/open_url.diff <- very much unfinished 10:43:27 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-68-98-135.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 10:43:27 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-98-135.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:49:26 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:53:16 *** Celestar_ [~dax@82.113.119.78] has joined #openttd 10:56:02 *** Celestar [~dax@82.113.119.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:58:03 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.26.172] has quit [Quit: Sla Mutant Co-Op for Renegade - coming back soon] 10:59:13 <Lachie> I'm a tiny bit turned around by the syntax in an NML cargo table. The idea I'm getting is that it goes (eg) like PASS [, COAL [, MAIL [, etc etc etc? 10:59:36 <Eddi|zuHause> no 10:59:39 <Yexo> cargotable { PASS, COAL, MAIL } 10:59:55 <Yexo> [] is used in the documentation to indicate that part is optional 11:00:00 <Eddi|zuHause> [] in the syntax means "this part can be left out" 11:00:17 <Lachie> ah. that would explain why it made no sense to me. cheers. :) 11:03:57 <planetmaker> Yexo: the line in macos.mm:123 must read [ [ NSWorkspace sharedWorkspace ] openURL:[ NSURL URLWithString:[ NSString stringWithUTF8String:url ] ] ]; 11:04:22 <Yexo> ok, that was pretty much a guess based on a simple search 11:05:03 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea how to read objective c 11:06:15 <planetmaker> [ NSxxx blah:blub ] is the same as NSxxx::blah(blub) 11:06:17 <planetmaker> roughtly 11:06:25 <planetmaker> -t 11:09:20 *** Elukka [~Elukka@78-27-103-88.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 11:15:51 *** KenjiE20 [kenjie20@free.blinkenshell.org] has joined #openttd 11:26:47 <planetmaker> in any case, the patch to view the website before download works well for me, Yexo ;-) 11:27:10 <planetmaker> it even opens the page as I would want in a tab, thus obeys my browser's default settings well 11:27:46 <Yexo> there is no code yet for linux, and that is the hardest case I think 11:28:08 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 11:28:25 <peter1138> yeah 11:28:44 <planetmaker> would still help 85% of the players ;-) 11:28:47 <peter1138> DESKTOP_SESSION="gnome" 11:28:56 <peter1138> what's that for kde/etc ? 11:29:12 <peter1138> if DESKTOP_SESSION == "gnome" then gnome-open url 11:29:19 <peter1138> if DESKTOP_SESSION == "kde" then do kde's thing 11:29:39 <peter1138> else ... erm... something else? heh 11:30:19 <Yexo> xdg-open, gvfs-open 11:30:38 <peter1138> oh, xdg-open's a good choice 11:30:48 <peter1138> should be fairly standard these days 11:30:49 <Yexo> kfmclient exec <url> <- I think that for kde 11:30:54 <planetmaker> I have no such variable here, peter1138 11:31:00 <peter1138> planetmaker, what OS? 11:31:06 <planetmaker> suse linux 11:31:10 <peter1138> what DE? 11:31:16 <Yexo> planetmaker: do you have either GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID or KDE_FULL_SESSION? 11:31:17 <peter1138> do you have xdg-open? 11:31:17 <planetmaker> kde 11:32:05 <Yexo> oh, there is also "sensible-browser" and "x-www-browser" to chose from 11:32:09 <planetmaker> KDE_BUILD_GLOBAL_SYCOCA, KDE_USE_IPV6 and KDE_USE_IDN... nothing else related to my DE 11:32:11 <peter1138> they're debian things 11:32:44 <peter1138> planetmaker, that's silly :) 11:32:46 <planetmaker> I have a WINDOWMANAGER variable 11:32:50 <peter1138> planetmaker, no xdg-open? 11:33:03 <planetmaker> I do have that, yes 11:33:07 <peter1138> okay good 11:33:11 <peter1138> i vote for just using that 11:33:48 <planetmaker> indeed, looks like that's tailored for exactly that purpose 11:34:09 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 500/26 11:34:09 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 19.2307692308 11:34:31 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc (500/26-19)*26 11:34:31 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 6.0 11:34:33 <peter1138> oh good QC's updated now 11:35:21 *** TrueBrain [~patric@145.118.72.132] has joined #openttd 11:35:37 <peter1138> it is the truest of the brainy ones 11:36:23 <TrueBrain> who? where? what? when? why? 11:36:24 <planetmaker> yup 11:36:33 <planetmaker> questionable content 11:39:15 <peter1138> planetmaker, your landscape has dots on it? 11:39:51 <planetmaker> in that screenshot: yes 11:39:54 <peter1138> what are they? 11:39:59 <planetmaker> missing grid sprites 11:40:04 <peter1138> hm 11:40:06 <planetmaker> thus the transparent ? icon 11:40:14 <peter1138> ah 11:40:47 <planetmaker> cba to compile that just for the test 11:40:53 <peter1138> indeed 11:50:34 *** Wolfsherz [~Wolfsherz@92.116.151.211] has joined #openttd 11:53:39 <Eddi|zuHause> it always strikes me as odd every year that the dutch celebrate "nikolaus" one day early 11:56:58 <peter1138> they're dutch, say no more 12:00:11 *** heffer [~felix@hyperion.fetzig.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:06:30 *** Nite_Owl [~chatzilla@c-66-229-196-153.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 12:15:57 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@ip-86-49-59-25.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 12:26:20 <peter1138> good news: roadtypes is too far gone, it needs to be rewritten 12:26:34 <Nite_Owl> Any Development Team Members around ? 12:26:39 <peter1138> none 12:26:52 <Nite_Owl> Oh good... 12:26:54 <andythenorth> great 12:26:59 <andythenorth> peter1138: watertypes 12:27:04 <peter1138> we have them 12:27:44 <Nite_Owl> Are you aware of the fatal flaw in yesterday's compiled nightly ? 12:28:12 <peter1138> you need to post your crash files 12:29:30 <planetmaker> Nite_Owl, always make a bug report about such things 12:29:36 <andythenorth> we need fast flowing or slow flowing rivers :P 12:29:45 <Nite_Owl> Will do 12:29:56 <andythenorth> we actually found a valid case for watertypes 12:29:59 <andythenorth> but I forgot it 12:30:03 <andythenorth> :? 12:30:19 <peter1138> oh, water classes are full 12:30:20 <planetmaker> and tell us how we can reproduce your crash as part of the report 12:31:51 <Nite_Owl> Will do again 12:32:07 <peter1138> you didn't the first time :) 12:33:24 <planetmaker> Nite_Owl, your description as on IRC didn't allow anyone to reproduce it 12:34:16 <planetmaker> thus be more specific 12:37:15 <peter1138> signals are obvious at 2x :) 12:37:28 <Nite_Owl> "Open the "available trains" drop down and as you click down the list, at some point, the game will crash." Sorry I left something out - Set the year to 2050 so that the drop down list is very long. As you click on trains near the bottom of the list you get the crash. 12:37:58 <Nite_Owl> I will try and reproduce it again - give me a few minutes 12:38:01 <andythenorth> oh 12:38:11 <andythenorth> ship canals + non-ship canals 12:38:15 <peter1138> nope, no crash here 12:38:15 <andythenorth> maybe that was it 12:38:33 <andythenorth> and also let logs go down rapids 12:39:34 <Nite_Owl> I just got it to crash again - will post the files 12:41:44 <Nite_Owl> Dang it - the full screen shrank and it will not let me out of the crash to create the files 12:44:24 <planetmaker> if the list is very long, you're most likely also using a particular NewGRF. Important info which also is contained in the crash files 12:45:02 <Nite_Owl> I cannot get out to generate the crash files 12:45:16 <planetmaker> ? 12:45:22 <peter1138> openttd generates them itself 12:46:03 <planetmaker> should do so yes. 12:46:14 <planetmaker> Only in rare cases when the crash handler also crashes 12:47:05 <planetmaker> you should find them near your openttd.cfg 12:47:20 <Nite_Owl> Error - assertion fail - clicking on 'OK' or the red X will not close it - if I do it another way the files will not be generated 12:48:04 <planetmaker> an assertion fail is always more verbose already as it says where it fails 12:48:45 <planetmaker> if you can't get the crash files: take your savegame and give detailed instructions how we crash that savegame 12:50:38 <Nite_Owl> Assertion failed at line 1686 of... \src\window.cpp: w->nested_root->resize_y==0 || new_yinc % w->nested_root->resize_y ==0 12:51:42 <Nite_Owl> No save game - brand new game just started to test the crash which is the same circumstance that it occurred originally 12:51:47 <Yexo> are you using a custom font? 12:52:03 <Nite_Owl> Arial Bold 12:52:07 <Yexo> which size? 12:52:46 <Nite_Owl> small_size = 10 medium_size = 12 large_size = 14 12:54:59 <Nite_Owl> I closed it in Task Manager and got the crash files. Do you still want me to post them? 12:55:09 <Yexo> yes 12:55:18 <Nite_Owl> Will do 13:12:37 <Nite_Owl> Bug report done. 13:13:23 <Nite_Owl> Let me know if you need more information. I tried to get in everything I could think of that was relevant. 13:15:37 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe93dd00-34.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:15:46 <peter1138> i would guess r23429 13:15:50 <peter1138> but hey 13:20:08 <Nite_Owl> Clicking on a train would move a window beyond the main window boundaries? Could be tied into the code somehow I guess. 13:20:23 * Nite_Owl knows very little about coding 13:21:44 *** LordPixaII is now known as Pixa 13:25:33 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:e1bd:2aa:9141:1389] has joined #openttd 13:25:36 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:25:40 *** Wolfsherz [~Wolfsherz@92.116.151.211] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 14:03:04 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has joined #openttd 14:12:45 <peter1138> that's why it's better to just post the report instead of speculate ;) 14:16:27 <Nite_Owl> True - I had hoped it would be something obvious though... 14:21:50 <Belugas> hello all 14:22:11 <Nite_Owl> Hello Belugas 14:24:18 <Belugas> hello Nite_Owl. been a while i've noticed you :) 14:25:09 <Eddi|zuHause> that must be because of the time shift :p 14:25:36 <Nite_Owl> Life has been taking up a lot of my time lately. It will be calling me in about half an hour. 14:25:44 <Eddi|zuHause> like Rubidium and Celestar_ don't live in the same time zone either :) 14:26:04 <planetmaker> hello Belugas 14:26:28 <planetmaker> Nite_Owl, as long as _life_ is calling you, you should be fine ;-) 14:26:35 <planetmaker> I'll only worry, if it's not life :-P 14:29:24 <glx> DorpsGek: 14:29:41 <glx> oups 14:30:04 <DorpsGek> yes 14:30:31 *** DorpsGek changed the topic of #openttd to: 1.1.4 | Website: *.openttd.org (translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki, patches & bug-reports: bugs, revision log: vcs, release info: finger) | Don't ask to ask, just ask | 'Latest' is not a valid version | English only 14:37:13 <TGYoshi> Triangles are so awful :) 14:37:49 <peter1138> cubicals! 14:38:00 <TGYoshi> if life was cubic.. 14:38:04 <planetmaker> you mean voxels, peter1138 14:39:35 <peter1138> :) 14:45:26 <TGYoshi> You guys probably know this... ln²x = ln(x)² or ln(x²) 14:45:32 <TrueBrain> dont' talk about voxels :'( 14:45:33 <TGYoshi> Instant confusion 14:45:34 <TrueBrain> it depresses me 14:47:00 <peter1138> http://www.stevecarter.com/albumcovers.htm 14:56:35 *** supermop_ [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 14:57:27 <Nite_Owl> Time to fly - later all. 14:57:32 *** Nite_Owl [~chatzilla@c-66-229-196-153.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 15:07:11 <Belugas> salut planetmaker :) Sorry, i've been caugh in an unexpected meeting 15:10:40 *** tparker [~tparker@beacon.prkr.us] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:11:54 *** tparker [~tparker@beacon.prkr.us] has joined #openttd 15:12:17 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:14:41 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 15:18:36 *** TomyLobo2 [~foo@p4FC23858.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:20:06 *** Wolfsherz [~Wolfsherz@2.210.222.87] has joined #openttd 15:24:19 *** TomyLobo [~foo@p4FC229E4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:24:19 *** TomyLobo2 is now known as TomyLobo 15:24:49 *** Celestar_ [~dax@82.113.119.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:37:23 *** Adambean [~AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 16:00:52 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:02:27 *** Wolfsherz [~Wolfsherz@2.210.222.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:03:00 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 16:03:23 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Quit: *Throws a nuclear warhead in the room and flees*] 16:03:57 <peter1138> hmmm 16:04:39 * peter1138 ponders ez sprites 16:04:48 <peter1138> and what to do with the simple blitters... 16:04:55 *** Wolfsherz [~Wolfsherz@2.210.222.87] has joined #openttd 16:05:07 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 16:05:19 * planetmaker gives peter1138 an EZ sprite. And a cookie 16:09:48 <peter1138> yers 16:21:49 *** Wolfsherz [~Wolfsherz@2.210.222.87] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 16:25:45 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 16:30:41 <Rubidium> peter1138: why would ez sprites influence the blitters? Shouldn't it all be done in the loader? 16:31:14 <peter1138> if we add support for supplying different zoom levels, it matters a lot 16:31:48 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:31:56 <Rubidium> but they currently already zoom in and out, right? So it's just zooming a different amount, or am I missing some very important point? 16:32:40 <peter1138> -simple blitters don't, they zoom out when they draw 16:34:24 <peter1138> well, could be adjust i suppose 16:34:45 <peter1138> +ed 16:35:24 <Rubidium> trashing the sprite cache would probably be bad when zooming in/out, right? 16:35:36 <peter1138> probably :) 16:35:52 <peter1138> and viewports... 16:36:49 <Rubidium> then I'd go for using the most zoomed in sprite and scaling that for the simple blitter, and some lines of documentation and maybe removal of the simple blitters when not a DEBUG build 16:42:24 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc12-linl7-2-0-cust144.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:46:32 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@193.52.24.37] has joined #openttd 16:51:21 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f6354.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:16:10 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.26.172] has joined #openttd 17:19:26 *** grondo [53d158bd@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 17:19:35 <grondo> hi! 17:19:50 <planetmaker> hullo 17:20:11 <grondo> im new in this game 17:20:26 <planetmaker> then have fun exploring it ;-) 17:20:51 <grondo> how i do to leave if i play online? 17:21:06 <planetmaker> the same way as in single player 17:21:29 <planetmaker> ctrl+w or 'leave game' from the main menu (disk icon) 17:21:42 <grondo> oh thanks! 17:21:59 <planetmaker> or ctrl+q to quit completely 17:22:16 <grondo> are somewone from sweaden here? 17:22:23 <grondo> sweden? 17:22:30 <planetmaker> yes 17:22:36 <Arkabzol> yes 17:22:44 <grondo> Hej! 17:22:50 <Arkabzol> Eh. 17:22:54 <planetmaker> English only :-P 17:23:01 <grondo> oh sorry! 17:23:06 <Arkabzol> I'm so-so about speaking other languages in crowds. 17:23:15 <Arkabzol> Even if there wasn't a rule about that. 17:23:47 <planetmaker> wiki.openttd.org 17:23:53 <grondo> im not good to speak english here 17:24:03 <planetmaker> ^ has some nice tutorial for the first steps, IMHO 17:24:18 <grondo> oh thanks! 17:24:39 <planetmaker> we're working on an ingame tutorial :D 17:25:14 <Arkabzol> Ooh. 17:25:18 <grondo> nice! 17:25:18 <Belugas> i speak english not good too. but I do practice. and hey.. man... after a while, i'm almost like a native speaker! Guess they are right when they say practice makes perfect! 17:25:26 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:25:33 <grondo> maybye a swedish chat! 17:25:35 <planetmaker> hehe, Belugas :-) 17:26:31 <Belugas> sounds like an add ;) 17:26:31 <grondo> im gonna play minecraft now bye! 17:26:39 <planetmaker> lol 17:26:55 <Arkabzol> OpenTTD clone in Minecraft. Now I'm getting bad ideas. 17:27:34 <Belugas> Why clone it? Use minecraft! 17:27:49 <Arkabzol> I meant like 17:28:00 <Arkabzol> OpenTTD like it is... but in Minecraft. 17:29:01 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0a9627.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 17:32:25 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.169.239] has joined #openttd 17:34:45 *** SpComb^ [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 17:34:45 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:43:09 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A46F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:43:27 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:44:50 <grondo> hi im back! 17:45:41 *** Timmaexx [~chatzilla@port-92-205-113-21.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 17:50:20 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@ip-86-49-59-25.net.upcbroadband.cz] has left #openttd [] 17:50:41 *** Kogut [d586afe1@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 17:54:56 <Belugas> I wonder if it would possible to ask the guys of Minecraft to do it like OpenTTD... 17:55:41 <planetmaker> which would be...? 17:55:43 <Kogut> please, define "guys of Minecraft" and "it" 17:56:26 <appe> i guess he is refering to ..trains 17:56:55 <TrueBrain> I think he listens to too much Bloodhungang 18:01:19 <Kogut> @Yexo "dbg:[misc][squirrel] Failed to compile '...\info.nut'" Is it possible to receive info what is wrong? 18:01:40 <Kogut> I enabled ai tools 18:01:49 <Kogut> r23432 18:04:19 <glx> check ai debug window 18:05:16 <Kogut> unfortunately, it is impossible to run ai as it is not recognised by openttd 18:05:20 <Kogut> as ai 18:07:28 <glx> anyway info.nut is very basic, it's hard to fail to write it ;) 18:07:35 <Terkhen> hello 18:08:04 <Kogut> well 18:08:08 <Kogut> it worked before 18:08:32 <TrueBrain> Kogut: check for missng ; 18:08:33 <TrueBrain> wrong } 18:08:36 <TrueBrain> stuff like that 18:10:11 *** grondo [53d158bd@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 18:13:51 <Yexo> Kogut: the failure reason should be in the same console window as that line 18:14:39 <glx> and before that line if I read the source correctly 18:14:48 <Yexo> yes 18:16:09 <Kogut> it is appearing in stable (1.1.4, but not in trunk 23432) 18:16:12 *** SpComb^ is now known as SpComb 18:16:21 *** loss [5ad2ad32@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 18:16:45 <loss> how do you play transport tycoon? 18:16:49 <Yexo> it works for me 18:17:26 <Yexo> http://noai.openttd.org/docs/trunk/ai__changelog_8hpp.html <- Kogut see changes since trunk there 18:17:44 <Yexo> perhaps you're using AICONFIG_DEVELOPER instead of CONFIG_DEVELOPER? 18:17:52 <Yexo> that was recently changed in trunk 18:18:22 <loss> i mean where to download the full game, i don't get how you download it lol 18:18:30 <Yexo> from openttd.org 18:18:43 <Yexo> loss: which os are you using? 18:18:49 <loss> os? 18:18:57 <Yexo> operating system, probably windows 18:19:02 <loss> windows 7 18:19:10 <Yexo> go http://www.openttd.org/en/download-stable 18:19:16 <Yexo> download the installer and run it 18:19:29 <Yexo> don't forget to enable the "download opengfx / opensfx" during installation 18:19:35 <loss> ah thanks mate. 18:20:46 <Kogut> @Yexo - I fixed this problem (CONFIG_DEVELOPER), but in trunk it still silently failes and in 1.1.4 it complains about undefined properties 18:21:08 <Yexo> can you upload it somewhere? 18:21:15 <TrueBrain> that switch is trunk only, is it not? 18:21:18 <TrueBrain> 1.2, not 1.1 18:21:21 <Yexo> CONFIG_DEVELOPER is not valid in 1.1.4 btw 18:21:51 <loss> yexo how come you have a yellow star next to your name :o? 18:22:18 <Yexo> loss: become I'm marked as "operator" for this irc channel I guess, it depends on your client how it shows that 18:24:05 <loss> kk 18:24:27 <Kogut> @Yexo - info.nut failed due to lack of medium_value = something, what was permitted in earlier version 18:25:01 <Yexo> can you provide an info.nut that works in 1.1 but not in trunk? 18:25:07 <Kogut> but still there is something strange as I receive console window, what is broken in the trunk 18:27:40 <Yexo> http://noai.openttd.org/docs/1.1.3/classAIInfo.html#3ce2806b9af80f8548be973a5c5c125d <- according to the documentation "medium_value" was already required in 1.1.3 18:28:49 <Kogut> whatever 18:29:05 <Kogut> On windows 7 18:29:10 *** __ln_____ [~user@p5DDC574A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:29:30 <Kogut> I created folder named "bug" in ai folder, with empty file info.nut inside 18:29:32 <__ln_____> ciao a tutti 18:29:58 <Kogut> started openttd, recent trunk (23432) - without console 18:30:25 <Kogut> started openttd, recent stable (1.1.4) - console appeared 18:30:46 <Yexo> do you start the stable 1.1.4 through a link? 18:30:54 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 18:30:56 <Yexo> if you start it with "openttd.exe -d" a console will appear 18:31:13 <glx> debug build have console without -d 18:31:33 <Kogut> "do you start the stable 1.1.4 through a link?" - no, but I opened trunk through shortcut 18:31:52 <Yexo> is your 1.1.4 build a debug build? 18:32:02 <Kogut> running exe results in openttd starting with a console 18:32:23 <glx> then your shortcut adds the -d 18:32:31 <Kogut> <s>running exe results in openttd starting with a console</s> 18:32:34 <Kogut> untrue 18:33:38 <Kogut> still, running openttd with a broken info.nut: 1.1.4 results in game window+console window, trunk - only console window 18:33:41 <loss> where the graphics options? 18:34:06 <Yexo> loss: what "graphic options" are you refering to? 18:34:39 <glx> Kogut: you compiled 1.1.4 yourself ? 18:34:44 <Kogut> no 18:34:48 <Kogut> downloaded 18:34:52 <glx> 32 or 64 ? 18:34:59 <Kogut> 32 18:35:07 <loss> full screen, resolution etc 18:35:08 <Kogut> I will try with fresh openttd 18:35:15 <Kogut> windowed 18:35:20 <Kogut> 1440x900 18:35:42 <planetmaker> loss: in the game options 18:35:50 <loss> kk 18:36:13 *** Timmaexx [~chatzilla@port-92-205-113-21.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 8.0/20111104165243]] 18:36:27 <planetmaker> has our wiki been recommended to you? ;-) wiki.openttd.org 18:36:48 <Yexo> Kogut: just downloaded the 32bit 1.1.4 from openttd,org, added an ai "bug" with empty info.nut, but no console opens 18:37:09 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:37:19 <Kogut> well, I will try with a fresh openttd 18:37:25 *** LordAro [~lordaro@host86-149-31-202.range86-149.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:38:35 <LordAro> evening 18:39:21 <LordAro> is it me, or is tt-f not working as it should? 18:39:44 <Rubidium> LordAro: what, isn't it snowing? 18:39:51 <V453000> :D 18:39:53 <LordAro> :) 18:40:12 <LordAro> hmm. my internet as a whole seems to have stopped working 18:40:16 <LordAro> ...but not this :L 18:40:34 <Rubidium> broken DNS resolution? 18:40:52 <LordAro> wouldn't know what that means :P 18:41:05 <LordAro> but ping is returning 'unknown host' 18:41:10 <glx> dns 18:41:29 <Rubidium> DNS resolution = resolving the address you typed to an IP address 18:41:29 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6C767.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:41:37 <Rubidium> LordAro: ping 8.8.8.8 works, right? 18:42:09 <LordAro> yes 18:42:12 <Rubidium> but ping google-public-dns-a.google.com fails (as it can't resolve that address to 8.8.8.8) 18:42:36 <LordAro> it would seem so 18:43:12 <Rubidium> LordAro: http://176.9.236.212/ ;) 18:43:18 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: translators * r23437 /trunk/src/lang/ (9 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 18:43:18 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:43:18 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: belarusian - 27 changes by Wowanxm 18:43:18 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: dutch - 25 changes by habell 18:43:18 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: finnish - 1 changes by jpx_ 18:43:20 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: italian - 25 changes by lorenzodv 18:43:20 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: korean - 24 changes by junho2813 18:43:41 *** heffer [~felix@hyperion.fetzig.org] has joined #openttd 18:45:32 *** LordAro_ [~lordaro@host86-149-29-74.range86-149.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:46:03 <LordAro_> thats better 18:46:40 <loss> this game hard :o 18:46:41 *** LordAro is now known as Guest19421 18:46:42 *** LordAro_ is now known as LordAro 18:46:57 <Kogut> @Devs - what happened with location of openttd files? it was in C:\Users\username\documents\openttd (and still should be, according to readme.txt) 18:47:15 <LordAro> loss: no, just more complicated thatyour average fps ;) 18:47:21 <Kogut> @loss - try loooooooong, unrealistic train line hauling coal 18:47:25 <Kogut> or oil 18:48:10 <Kogut> http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Game_Start_with_Airplanes 18:48:12 <MNIM> train lines hauling coal can be really long. 18:48:13 <planetmaker> loss: hard? Most people complain after a few games about too much money too easily ;-) 18:48:18 <Kogut> http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Game_Start_with_Trains 18:48:32 <planetmaker> ho, that even exists as guide on the wiki. nice 18:48:41 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.169.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:49:11 <loss> haha 18:49:24 <loss> its hard to get use to it all :P 18:49:25 <Kogut> What happened with location of downloaded newgrfs? it was in C:\Users\username\documents\openttd (and still should be, according to readme.txt) [windows 7] 18:50:16 <Rubidium> Kogut: nothing happened to that. Though... the readme defines quite a few extra locations 18:50:29 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host48-239-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:50:41 <Rubidium> it primarily depends on the location of the config file 18:50:46 <Wolf01> evenink 18:50:49 <Kogut> well, it is getting ridiculous. I found it 18:50:50 *** Guest19421 [~lordaro@host86-149-31-202.range86-149.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:52:26 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-124-37.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 18:52:35 *** __ln_____ [~user@p5DDC574A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:54:55 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-68-96-254.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 18:56:26 <Kogut> it is getting funnier and funnier. In fresh install of 1.1.4 broken info.nut is completely ignored 18:56:58 <Yexo> that is exactly as it should be 18:57:16 <Yexo> that is, if you force a console window it should show in there 18:57:37 <Kogut> even in ~ console, even with ai_developer_tools setting 18:57:55 <Yexo> ai_developer_tools is completely irrelevant 18:58:04 <Yexo> the openttd-internal console is not the right one 18:59:04 <Kogut> what is quite confusing. During making of my first AI my battle with info.nut was victorious but way too long 18:59:22 <Yexo> hmm, something does seem to be wrong 18:59:31 <Kogut> mainly due to "and now info.nut compilations will silently fail" 19:00:35 <Kogut> maybe it is hard to change (squirrel etc) but it may be really nice 19:00:41 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-98-135.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:01:49 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:06:01 <Kogut> and somehow it works now (thanks for info about CONFIG_DEVELOPER it was one of the problems) 19:06:45 <loss> this game is way to confusing, trying to get trains and bus moving 19:06:51 <loss> :( 19:07:10 <Yexo> loss: did you follow the tutorial on the wiki? 19:07:36 <loss> there a wiki page? 19:08:00 <planetmaker> ... 19:08:17 <loss> plantmark I'm a noob ok :p 19:08:23 <planetmaker> 19:39 planetmaker: has our wiki been recommended to you? ;-) wiki.openttd.org 19:08:25 <V453000> you manage to find IRC but not wiki ? :D 19:08:55 <loss> yup :) 19:09:02 *** pjpe [ae5b514a@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 19:10:21 <Terkhen> the path of less effort :) 19:13:55 *** Priski [priski@lakka.kapsi.fi] has left #openttd [] 19:13:56 *** JVassie_ [~James@2.27.86.24] has joined #openttd 19:18:28 <Kogut> oho. I love new superzoom 19:18:51 <Belugas> FEED ME FEED ME! 19:19:03 <planetmaker> cookie for Belugas! 19:19:14 <V453000> it is handful when figuring offsets :p 19:19:33 <planetmaker> though... I rather have Christmas stollen here 19:19:35 <Belugas> BURP 19:20:55 *** JVassie [~James@2.30.129.191] has joined #openttd 19:22:22 <Belugas> milk for planetmaker 19:22:32 <Belugas> i stole if from santa for you 19:22:39 <planetmaker> :-O 19:23:38 *** amix [~Michal@77.88.121.165] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:25:10 *** JVassie_ [~James@2.27.86.24] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:27:06 <Kogut> poor Yogscast. Playing with old train acceleration model :( 19:28:15 <V453000> some people even consider it better :D :p 19:30:00 *** loss [5ad2ad32@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 19:30:01 <Kogut> some people prefer goats 19:30:18 <V453000> :d 19:30:37 <Belugas> some others ghosts 19:31:12 <planetmaker> what about ghost goats? 19:31:33 <Kogut> heh, my little sister decided that she will catch Santa Claus 19:32:25 <planetmaker> make sure you got a camera at hand :-) 19:36:04 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 19:38:27 <Kogut> my computer decided to celebrate Murphy law day. Inserting headphones will mute sound. 19:38:52 *** KritiK [~Maxim@128.68.15.161] has joined #openttd 19:44:54 *** Kogut [d586afe1@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 19:46:32 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4db18bc8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:58:46 *** Nite_Owl [~chatzilla@c-66-229-196-153.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:02:12 *** Nite_Owl_ [~chatzilla@c-66-229-196-153.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:04:00 <Nite_Owl_> frosch123: So if I keep the the drop down list results window small the crash should not happen ? 20:04:20 * Nite_Owl_ too many the's 20:05:16 *** Nite_Owl_ [~chatzilla@c-66-229-196-153.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:05:25 <frosch123> ... 20:06:21 <Zuu> Woho, my NoGo now can build a bus stop for player 0. :-) 20:06:52 *** JVassie_ [~James@2.30.129.191] has joined #openttd 20:07:13 *** Nite_Owl [~chatzilla@c-66-229-196-153.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:08:46 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r23438 /trunk/ (Makefile.grf.in config.lib): -Fix [FS#4867]: perform checks for nforenum/grfcodec in configure, including a version check so a proper error can be given when a too old grfcodec or nforenum is used 20:08:51 <Terkhen> hmm... sounds buggy 20:09:51 <planetmaker> for the town? 20:09:57 *** Nite_Owl [~chatzilla@c-66-229-196-153.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:10:00 <planetmaker> Zuu: can every player use it? 20:10:03 <planetmaker> or what happens? 20:10:23 <Nite_Owl> Darn this flaky internet connection 20:10:30 <Zuu> No, it builds it as company 0. (index being the internal ones) 20:10:51 <Zuu> I just wanted to test that the tutorial script can execute player actions. 20:11:07 <Zuu> So now, that code has been removed again. 20:12:25 <Nite_Owl> Sorry frosch123 - I was referencing the report I made on Flyspray earlier today. 20:12:47 <Nite_Owl> 4871 20:13:34 *** LordAro_ [~lordaro@host86-132-27-206.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:13:54 <Nite_Owl> I will run some tests. 20:14:11 *** JVassie [~James@2.30.129.191] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:15:16 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-29-51-201.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 20:17:23 *** LordAro is now known as Guest19424 20:17:23 *** LordAro_ is now known as LordAro 20:17:35 <Zuu> In which forum does NoGo script theards belong? OpenTTD Development? 20:18:21 <Yexo> it's been suggested to rename "OpenTTD AIs" to "OpenTTD Scripts", but that's not yet done 20:18:27 <Yexo> feel free to post in there though 20:18:32 <Zuu> Okay 20:19:35 *** Guest19424 [~lordaro@host86-149-29-74.range86-149.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:19:53 <frosch123> Nite_Owl: the window resizes itself when it needs more space for the addtional text 20:20:04 <frosch123> if it then becomes higher than the ottd window, it crashes 20:20:15 <frosch123> so, just do not resize the list too high 20:20:58 <planetmaker> Zuu: working on the tutorial? 20:21:23 <Zuu> a bit yes, but I'm unsure about the arcitecture, so I think I'll post what I got along with some questions. 20:21:35 <planetmaker> Zuu: I wonder whether we sh/could start an experiment repo ;-) 20:21:43 <planetmaker> would get me a bit started. 20:21:55 <planetmaker> But I didn't yet do much with scripts or AIs 20:22:26 *** Klaasgras [3e158204@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 20:22:46 <Zuu> planetmaker: That means you have fresh eyes :-) 20:23:09 <planetmaker> :-D 20:23:12 *** Klaasgras [3e158204@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [] 20:24:53 *** Nite_Owl [~chatzilla@c-66-229-196-153.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:25:38 *** Nite_Owl [~chatzilla@c-66-229-196-153.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:26:06 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-29-51-201.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:28:58 <Nite_Owl> Test successful and you are correct sir. I was making the window too large for the additional text to expand into and still stay within the boundaries of the overall window. I will keep my windows smaller in the future. 20:30:06 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-079-012.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 20:31:34 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A46F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:32:25 <planetmaker> Zuu: I'll be very happy to provide them :-) 20:32:29 *** Kogut [d586afe1@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 20:33:25 *** LordAro [~lordaro@host86-132-27-206.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:34:54 *** NicoNet2k [~Chris@cpe-76-188-161-222.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:35:16 *** NicoNet2k [~Chris@cpe-76-188-161-222.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 20:39:26 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc1-aztw25-2-0-cust298.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 20:39:43 <andythenorth> efenink 20:39:58 <V453000> hi andy 20:41:05 <Kogut> hi 20:46:58 *** Nite_Owl [~chatzilla@c-66-229-196-153.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 20:47:29 <Zuu> planetmaker: Posted to NoAI forum. 20:47:59 <Zuu> Maybe you can move the posts in the NoGo thread over to that thread? 20:57:04 <Zuu> I'm currently temped to say godbye to save/loading tutorial and go for a simple code layout. 21:07:38 <planetmaker> simple is fine for me :-) 21:08:01 <planetmaker> the tutorial should probably be simple, single steps 21:08:12 <planetmaker> you meant with save/load the memory where one left? 21:11:44 <TrueBrain> maybe also move out the idea of accident recovery vehicles? :) 21:11:53 <TrueBrain> I love the idea, but it is a bit misplaced inside NoGo, in the size if grew 21:14:02 <TrueBrain> if=it :D 21:14:41 <andythenorth> seems like GS could easily become a scope monster :D 21:14:49 <andythenorth> and the all purpose solution to every pony :P 21:15:28 <TrueBrain> :D 21:16:30 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: the idea of the accident recovery vehicle is nice. But IMHO for now a bit out-of-scope. Or maybe not out-of-scope but something for later 21:16:44 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: that is what I mean :) 21:16:52 <TrueBrain> so to make sure it doesnt get lost, maybe move it to its own thread? 21:16:57 <planetmaker> I was just confirming you :-) 21:17:02 <TrueBrain> :D 21:17:23 <andythenorth> it won't get lost :) 21:17:24 <TrueBrain> it really would be an epic eye-candy :D 21:17:28 <planetmaker> maybe a split would be nice 21:17:35 <planetmaker> for that reason 21:17:35 <andythenorth> if it's a good idea it will be remembered, or suggested again 21:17:38 <TrueBrain> well, andythenorth just promised it wont get lost, so :P 21:17:45 <planetmaker> good :p 21:17:51 <TrueBrain> saves me splitting the topic :D 21:17:57 <TrueBrain> I hate that ... forum software .. ugh .. 21:18:00 <andythenorth> unfortunately 'suggested again' also applies to bad ideas :P 21:18:08 <TrueBrain> OpenTTD 3D?! 21:18:19 <planetmaker> no. 4D. with voxels 21:18:33 <planetmaker> 3D would be boring. No time progression. Just full rotation 21:18:49 <planetmaker> I really don't understand 3D obsession ;-) 21:19:11 <TrueBrain> BUT THE WORLD IS 3D?!!?!?!?!??!?!?!!1!!!!!111oneelven 21:19:20 <SpComb> 3.5D 21:19:21 <TrueBrain> I NEED GLASSES TO WATCH MY TV! 21:19:29 <TrueBrain> @kick TrueBrain CAPITALS 21:19:34 <TrueBrain> DorpsGek: you are a pussy 21:19:41 <andythenorth> make it 3D 21:19:50 <TrueBrain> @whoami 21:19:50 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: I don't recognize you. 21:19:52 <TrueBrain> pfffff 21:19:54 <Kogut> well, I prefer ASCII than lame 3D like skyrimi or crysis 21:20:04 <andythenorth> you have to choose three out of the four readily accessible dimensions :P 21:20:22 <Kogut> photo realistic 3D is something that may be acceptable 21:20:51 <andythenorth> Kogut: that's done already 21:20:55 <andythenorth> you missed the patch :P 21:21:16 <andythenorth> it even has weather: http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=382442 21:22:38 <Rubidium> but openttd only has 1D 21:24:32 <planetmaker> :-) 21:24:42 *** Celestar [~dax@dslb-188-099-125-241.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 21:25:08 <Rubidium> hmm... this is a bit late for me to be working ;) 21:28:26 <Kogut> Yogscast: coal on vacation. And I think that here, this expression is justified: lol 21:31:53 *** KritiK [~Maxim@128.68.15.161] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:51:26 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc12-linl7-2-0-cust144.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into] 21:55:37 <Terkhen> good night 21:57:10 * andythenorth has a pony request 21:57:33 <andythenorth> build locks over rapids without bulldozing the rapids first 21:58:22 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-178-004-181-249.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Python is way too complicated... I prefer doing it quickly in C.] 22:04:22 *** Celestar [~dax@dslb-188-099-125-241.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:08:25 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc1-aztw25-2-0-cust298.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:15:00 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has quit [Quit: Popidopidopido] 22:17:51 *** Kogut [d586afe1@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 22:18:18 <Wolf01> 'night o/ 22:18:25 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host48-239-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:18:50 *** TrueBrain was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [CAPITALS (sorry for the delay)] 22:19:41 *** TrueBrain [~patric@145.118.72.132] has joined #openttd 22:20:47 <TrueBrain> lol @ glx :) 22:20:48 <TrueBrain> cheers mate :) 22:21:11 <glx> you don't have autojoin, but at least you autojoin on invite 22:21:35 <TrueBrain> only to trusted :) 22:23:00 * Zuu wonders what Tedstery will do if we tell him that OpenTTD is an unpopular vs. popular game... ( @ general forums ) 22:23:18 <TrueBrain> Zuu: did you try NoGo-0.1, with GSCompanyMode? 22:23:26 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4db18bc8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us!] 22:23:26 <Zuu> TrueBrain: Yes 22:23:30 <TrueBrain> did I fix it? :D 22:23:30 <Zuu> And it worked 22:23:33 <TrueBrain> epic :) 22:23:48 <TrueBrain> I tried a few of the script snippets, but that were not real tests .. so I was just hoping the code would be fine :P 22:23:58 <Zuu> Great work 22:24:04 <TrueBrain> stupid oversight :P 22:24:24 <glx> maybe you need a regression test :) 22:24:42 <TrueBrain> nah :P 22:27:56 <planetmaker> g'night 22:28:56 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f6354.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:36:42 *** JVassie_ [~James@2.30.129.191] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:40:46 *** Adambean [~AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 22:42:01 *** DDR [~chatzilla@142.179.78.88] has joined #openttd 22:58:31 *** Elukka [~Elukka@78-27-103-88.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 23:16:17 <Jocke> [22:24:21] <andythenorth> it even has weather: http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=382442 <- There's also a passenger train running on that line, I've gone on it when I've visited my uncle ^^ 23:16:49 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-49-77.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 23:22:11 <DDR> Trains have been run through stupider conditions... basically, see a history of railroading in British Coloumbia for details. :P 23:22:34 <DDR> Though, to spoil the surprise, just tilt that picture by 60 degrees. 23:23:01 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-95-178.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:28:09 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:31:57 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@193.52.24.37] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:34:21 <Jocke> DDR: Hm? I think you misread what I wrote there 23:34:31 <Jocke> I've been on a train on those tracks, with that snow around 23:38:29 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@2a02:1680:0:1:2:1:1:6e01] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:40:21 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A46F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:45:04 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-68-96-254.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:45:33 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@borealis.jontysewell.net] has joined #openttd 23:48:04 <DDR> Yeah; it looks like a standard railway in a cold climate. 23:49:11 <DDR> Just in B.C., it's not only in deep snow, it's also on a mountain. And in avalanche country. 23:51:40 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6C767.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]