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00:45:06 <Yexo> + * @return True if the type sis <- small typo 00:46:09 <michi_cc> Eddi|zuHause: It could, but except for that singular error message on adding an order the code doesn't care about that distance limit at all, quite contrary to what this code does for aircraft. 00:46:56 <Eddi|zuHause> does the aircraft distance scale with map size? 00:48:12 <Yexo> aircraft distance is set by newgrf, so it depends on the newgrf 00:49:13 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, right 00:50:42 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r23507 /trunk/src/order_base.h: -Fix (r23505): Comment typo. 00:52:22 <michi_cc> Can be set either dynamically with CB36 or with an Action6. 00:56:12 <michi_cc> Oh, I didn't even notice I just implemented FS#773 ;) 00:58:18 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-24-170-82.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:08:44 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-96-254.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 01:09:05 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-96-254.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 01:10:41 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ADEC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:15:09 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r23508 /trunk/src/ (build_vehicle_gui.cpp lang/english.txt): -Add: Engine sorter for aircraft range. 01:17:10 *** Markavian` [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has joined #openttd 01:17:52 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-011-015.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:18:56 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-054-082.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 01:21:07 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-80-53.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:23:57 *** Markavian [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:24:35 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-96-254.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 01:30:53 <Eddi|zuHause> the google doc changelog is bloody useless... 01:31:41 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-054-082.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 01:31:56 <Eddi|zuHause> it doesn't show the interesting things, it splits everything up into small changes without giving an overview, and it takes ages to load... 01:38:25 *** TomyLobo [~foo@p54946E0F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:38:39 *** pjpe [ade6a119@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 02:16:56 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@client-81-107-130-178.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 03:07:19 *** supermop_ [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 03:53:43 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c50d:abaf:34e0:54e0] has quit [Quit: bye] 05:26:42 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: well, I hope someone summarizes our changelog as well for the wiki ;) 05:52:28 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75964.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:52:44 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B73B07.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:03:50 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:08:36 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 06:29:58 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0a9627.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:50:30 *** JVassie [~James@2.25.209.121] has joined #openttd 07:02:37 <peter1138> who can draw track tiles? 07:03:13 <peter1138> hmm, i guess i can draw temporary ones 07:03:50 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe93dd00-34.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 07:13:46 *** supermop_ [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop_] 07:18:00 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.26.172] has joined #openttd 07:19:33 <planetmaker> moin 07:19:46 <planetmaker> peter1138: what track tiles? 07:20:36 *** JVassie [~James@2.25.209.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:22:52 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@ip-86-49-59-25.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 07:22:57 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@ip-86-49-59-25.net.upcbroadband.cz] has left #openttd [] 07:24:01 <Rubidium> peter1138: ########## for the horizontal one ;) 07:27:34 <planetmaker> I certainly have the sprites for the default track tiles... 07:28:58 <peter1138> :) 07:29:09 <peter1138> planetmaker, i don't want default ones ;) 07:29:24 <planetmaker> well, what do you need? 07:29:40 <peter1138> i had an idea involving less-steep slopes 07:29:49 <planetmaker> http://devs.openttd.org/~planetmaker/patches/road_rails.xcf maybe useful? 08:08:48 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 08:14:10 *** eQualizer [~lauri@46.163.224.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:16:45 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ACB7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:16:48 *** TomyLobo2 [~foo@p54946E0F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:21:52 <dihedral> wow - i have not read that word in a commit message in a long time 08:21:57 <dihedral> "desync" 08:22:19 *** TomyLobo [~foo@p54946E0F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:22:19 *** TomyLobo2 is now known as TomyLobo 08:24:09 <Hirundo> good thing, that "desync" is followed by "debug" :) 08:24:24 <Hirundo> so it's a false alarm 08:24:57 <planetmaker> :-) 08:25:25 <planetmaker> dihedral: like you haven't read it for three weeks? 08:25:31 <planetmaker> http://hg.openttd.org/openttd/trunk.hg/log?rev=desync 08:27:35 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-9-198.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 08:32:00 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:40:45 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-188-100-223-183.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:46:08 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-188-109-240-199.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 08:48:22 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.39 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 08:49:15 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-189-031.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 08:52:03 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 08:52:18 <peter1138> FS#4882 really doesn't fit the game... 08:57:10 <Eddi|zuHause> @fs 4882 08:57:10 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/4882 08:58:12 <__ln__> operating system: Windows 08:58:32 <Eddi|zuHause> linux users don't pay anything 09:07:54 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:08:39 <planetmaker> and mixed companies pay by the percentage of players using windows 09:16:22 <MNIM> actually, toll roads would be nice to have. would be cool to be able to obstruct other companies by making them pay for the usage of your roads 09:16:51 <MNIM> also, a steady income from the peeps traveling between towns, dependent on town sizes. 09:17:33 <peter1138> yes 09:17:42 <peter1138> because they won't build a road around the toll 09:19:43 <MNIM> True. but then again, road costs could be higher. also, I like to play on mountainous maps with self-imposed realistic building, and I imagine there are more people like that 09:20:09 <MNIM> it could be fun to have in MP games 09:20:24 *** Wolfsherz [~Wolfsherz@46.115.16.206] has joined #openttd 09:22:04 *** DDR [~chatzilla@142.179.78.88] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 8.0/20111115183541]] 09:28:56 <peter1138> "self-imposed" generally doesn't work in MP 09:30:40 <peter1138> hmm, grfcodec made a broken png 09:33:28 <peter1138> gimp can open it but complains 09:33:38 <peter1138> other stuff either gives a warning or hangs 09:34:13 <MNIM> even gimp complains? 0-0 09:34:25 <peter1138> libpng error: Read Error 09:34:29 <peter1138> not particularly useful :p 09:34:59 <MNIM> hmmmh 09:35:57 <MNIM> anyway, self-imposed is the only way to go so far. ottd doesn't really encourage the mountainside-hugging roadbuilding you see IRL because any slope OTTD has the roads can match. 09:36:25 <peter1138> turn of build-on-slopes :) 09:36:53 <peter1138> seems any png file that grfcodec produces is broken, for me :( 09:37:39 <MNIM> well that doesn't help, since that actually makes mountainhugging even harder. 09:37:45 <peter1138> yup 09:37:52 <MNIM> also, you can still go straight up any mountain. 09:37:58 <peter1138> yup 09:38:10 <peter1138> ok, that's lakie's code. not touching it. 09:39:18 <peter1138> grfcodec's authors really didn't like whitespace 09:40:14 <peter1138> while(i+(GetWidth(len)==3?str.ExtendedLen(i):GetWidth(len))<=str.Length()&&IDs<0xFF){ 09:40:18 <peter1138> love it, i really do 09:48:03 <Eddi|zuHause> they _could_ have done this in assembler :p 09:50:24 <MNIM> huh. turns out that the game thinks that the 2cc trainset nightly I had is newer than the beta4.1 09:50:52 <MNIM> while that i downloaded that nightly last year. 09:52:59 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:59:25 <dihedral> planetmaker, i must have missed that commit ;-) 10:03:30 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 10:18:33 <planetmaker> MNIM, look how old that beta4.1 of the 2ccTS is 10:19:11 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-188-109-240-199.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:20:16 <MNIM> not as old as that nightly? 10:21:15 <planetmaker> how should I know what nightly you have 10:21:22 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-188-100-216-244.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 10:21:35 <planetmaker> In any case 2ccTS uses the repo version as its version, so it should be true 10:21:56 <planetmaker> unless someone broke it ;-) 10:22:18 <MNIM> 743 10:23:48 <MNIM> oh wait. nevermind. beta 4.1 is from september *last* year 10:25:56 * MNIM facepalms 10:26:39 <MNIM> You'd think that if one can bother to make new nightlies one can bother to update the forum thread of the GRF 10:26:49 <peter1138> no :) 10:27:11 <MNIM> apparently 10:28:20 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:29:17 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 10:29:31 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-188-100-216-244.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:30:14 <MNIM> hmmmh. that fixed my mouse 10:34:47 <planetmaker> MNIM, should one update the forum thread every day? Or upon every commit? 10:34:52 <planetmaker> That seems hardly worth the work. 10:35:12 <planetmaker> I'd officially announce only releases, too 10:35:58 <planetmaker> and mention nightlies where appropriate, e.g. when presenting a new feature which is not yet being released but available for testing in nightlies 10:39:15 <MNIM> planetmaker: no, but once a month would be nice 10:39:31 <planetmaker> why? 10:39:54 <planetmaker> shouldn't that depend on the project's activity? 10:40:18 <MNIM> because the 2cc forum thread hasn't been updated in more than a year, while there has been activity 10:40:21 <planetmaker> And don't you think that those versions which the authors consider to be released are then announced - as released and then also uploaded to bananas? 10:40:37 <planetmaker> yes, the last _release_ is beta 4.1 10:40:46 <planetmaker> thus the thread is correct 10:40:58 <planetmaker> @topic get 1 10:40:58 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 1.1.4 10:41:17 <planetmaker> We also speak of 1.1.4. While we're nearer 1.2 in the code base than 1.1 10:41:49 <planetmaker> you're asking for a well-maintained development blog. Which... is asking quite a lot 10:42:10 <planetmaker> just keep track of a project which interests you 10:42:59 <planetmaker> and imho it's always clear that nightlies will be newer than any stable version 10:43:12 <planetmaker> provided that nightlies exist 10:43:29 <planetmaker> and... it has a reason the nightlies are not on bananas. Thus who uses nightlies should know to inform themselves 10:57:14 *** pjpe [ade6a119@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 10:58:26 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.26.172] has quit [Quit: Sla Mutant Co-Op for Renegade - coming back soon] 11:02:21 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@client-81-107-130-178.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 11:26:29 *** Brumi [4e8329bf@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 11:27:05 <Brumi> hi there 11:27:22 <Brumi> I've got a translation issue 11:28:14 <Brumi> I see strings referring to 'Range' of aircraft, it is something for NewGRFs, am I right? 11:29:32 <peter1138> it's range as in distance it can travel 11:30:00 <Brumi> and is there a NewGRF which already has this feature? 11:30:14 <planetmaker> within 12 hours? 11:30:17 <planetmaker> Hardly 11:30:18 <Brumi> I would prefer too see the strings in-game before translating them 11:30:58 <planetmaker> it's for the sort vehicle by <property> drop-down list 11:34:44 <peter1138> there: 32bpp png sprites inside grf files ;P 11:35:27 <peter1138> sickening, it uses unused bits of the compression flag to say "we have extra data" 11:37:07 <peter1138> then it reads a byte that contains a mask of what sizes are available 11:38:05 <peter1138> then it reads a dword for the image and mask png data, which gets stuffed at the end of the grf file 11:38:09 <peter1138> one catch 11:38:12 <peter1138> it's bloody ugly 11:38:30 <peter1138> second catch, it's all untested, but i imagine creating the file will be awkward as it'll need multiple passes 11:38:44 <peter1138> ok, lots of catches :D 11:38:59 <peter1138> i think i might revert it 11:39:09 <peter1138> and forget i ever did anything so nasty 11:41:39 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.65.175] has joined #openttd 12:01:38 *** Brumi [4e8329bf@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 12:12:22 *** DoubleYou [DabuYu@182.160.46.192] has joined #openttd 12:20:16 <planetmaker> hm... locks. Should they be buildable upon river rapids? 12:20:27 <planetmaker> I tend to answer 'yes' 12:20:40 <planetmaker> even though we currently explicitly deny this 12:21:54 <peter1138> if you wanna be realistic (lol) no ;) 12:22:12 <planetmaker> no? 12:22:45 <planetmaker> I thought that's common practise? 12:23:04 <planetmaker> and keep bypass, of course 12:23:18 <peter1138> as far as i know, if you're building locks on a river, you have weirs to regulate the flow 12:23:31 <planetmaker> exactly 12:23:42 <planetmaker> which could be considered part of the lock 12:24:10 <planetmaker> at least how we implement them with a nice waterfall in the middle ;-) 12:24:21 <peter1138> hah 12:24:40 <peter1138> clearly we 'need' ship queueing, realistic locks, multistop docks... 12:24:52 <planetmaker> would be nice :-P 12:25:08 <planetmaker> or at least ships which take space and don't superimpose on locks 12:25:09 <peter1138> nobody really uses boats anyway 12:25:14 <peter1138> so none of that will help :( 12:25:16 <planetmaker> hm, I do ;-) 12:25:18 <peter1138> except multistop docks 12:25:20 <planetmaker> sometimes 12:25:30 <planetmaker> I like them actually. Especially FISH 12:25:44 <peter1138> FISH suffers with introduction dates :( 12:27:18 <planetmaker> you mean too late? 12:27:34 <peter1138> they're all the same 12:27:36 <planetmaker> or how? I didn't yet quite have reason to complain 12:27:36 <Eddi|zuHause> we should have an option to disallow terraforming water (including rivers) 12:27:37 <planetmaker> Oh. 12:28:06 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, yeah, otherwise you can just rip the rivers out :( 12:28:07 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, it can be made VERY expensive 12:28:45 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: no, that's not what i mean 12:29:13 <Eddi|zuHause> but if you explicitly allow terraforming water, you can allow building over rapids 12:30:00 <peter1138> heh, TaI houses are tiny 12:31:34 <peter1138> 8 houses on one tile 12:32:12 <Eddi|zuHause> i guess pikka has an affinity for "fine scale" 12:34:59 *** welshdragon is now known as SnowDragon 12:47:56 *** SnowDragon [~welshdrag@client-81-107-130-178.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: SnowDragon] 12:51:12 *** SnowDragon [~welshdrag@client-81-107-130-178.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 13:06:21 *** Wolfsherz [~Wolfsherz@46.115.16.206] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 13:17:11 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:101a:dde0:c413:a626] has joined #openttd 13:17:14 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:29:15 *** Ruger [~Ruger@cpc1-dund2-0-0-cust98.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:54:27 *** Ruger [~Ruger@cpc1-dund2-0-0-cust98.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 14:11:19 *** DoubleYou [DabuYu@182.160.46.192] has quit [] 14:19:06 *** Ruger [~Ruger@cpc1-dund2-0-0-cust98.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 14:38:35 *** Adambean [~AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 15:01:57 <Belugas> hello 15:07:20 <Eddi|zuHause> feature request: add prices for articulated parts 15:07:45 <Belugas> a hand is worth 10.000$ 15:08:00 <Belugas> a leg is 5000$ 15:08:08 <Belugas> an elbow is 2500$ 15:08:28 <Belugas> does a neck falls into articulated parts? 15:11:37 <peter1138> :) 15:11:55 <peter1138> articulated parts are fre 15:11:57 <peter1138> *free 15:12:04 <peter1138> they come with the head vehicle, and no way to control that 15:12:22 <peter1138> the grf can control that 15:12:29 <peter1138> but then it can control the purchase price. can't it? 15:14:52 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but only by factor 1..255 15:14:59 <Eddi|zuHause> which is... not enough 15:15:40 <Eddi|zuHause> adjusting base cost is tricky... 15:15:52 <Eddi|zuHause> you either lose precision at the low end, or you exceed the high end 15:16:14 <Eddi|zuHause> we need a float... i.e. add a "cost exponent" :) 15:16:40 <Eddi|zuHause> (which is basically adding or substracting from the base cost) 15:16:51 <Eddi|zuHause> (but on a per-vehicle basis) 15:17:17 <planetmaker> we should use double double precision for that. Encoded in xml files 15:17:44 <peter1138> not ini? 15:18:49 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, the IMHO better solution would rather be to make the cost properties a dword 15:19:10 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: it masks the problem only 15:19:17 <planetmaker> why? 15:19:26 <planetmaker> you need a granularity larger than 4 billion? 15:19:27 <peter1138> "11.zoom adjustable by mouse wheel" 15:19:30 <peter1138> gosh, killer feature 15:19:38 <planetmaker> :-) 15:19:59 <planetmaker> they iterate all OpenTTD features one by one ;-) 15:20:01 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: and you can't change sizes 15:20:09 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: only from byte to extended byte 15:20:16 <planetmaker> what sizes? Of properties? 15:20:22 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 15:20:22 <planetmaker> Yes, but one can introduce new properties 15:20:25 *** swissfan91 [5e046369@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:20:48 <Eddi|zuHause> but you might as well add an exponent as new property then :) 15:21:17 <planetmaker> which would make the price issue much more complicated 15:21:38 <planetmaker> just allow setting prices w/o base cost considerations within a newgrf 15:21:44 <planetmaker> and it should all be solved 15:22:11 <planetmaker> and then base costs could really be adjusted to just tune the price level 15:23:29 <swissfan91> planetmaker: are you in charge of OpenGFX landscape? 15:24:01 <planetmaker> yes 15:25:24 <swissfan91> are trees incorporated in this too? 15:25:34 <planetmaker> no 15:25:45 <planetmaker> There's opengfx trees 15:26:11 <swissfan91> oh, do you run that too? :) 15:26:33 <planetmaker> not exactly 15:27:10 <planetmaker> and what is your real question? ;-) 15:27:37 <swissfan91> can I use a tree from it within a housing sprite? 15:28:12 <planetmaker> I guess you can. The set is licensed GPL v2. Thus: use that license and give attribution to the graphics artist 15:28:36 <swissfan91> I see. Where can I find the opengfx tree sprites? 15:28:53 <V453000> or you can link to the "currently used trees" ? (I have no idea how that works though) 15:28:55 <planetmaker> _I_ could only give you other permissions for one or two trees 15:29:14 <planetmaker> Indeed. It may be more oportune to just re-use a baseset sprite in the tile layout 15:29:18 <planetmaker> *sprite layout 15:29:26 <planetmaker> you don't need to actively copy & paste it 15:29:33 <V453000> yes that is what I mean :) 15:29:49 <planetmaker> that's for example what I did in opengfx+landscape with the tree on the fenced land 15:29:51 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has joined #openttd 15:29:55 <swissfan91> without giving too much away, I had wanted to.... 'decorate' the tree :) 15:30:13 <V453000> oh :) 15:30:29 <planetmaker> swissfan91, it's all in the repository of that newgrf 15:30:52 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/opengfx or http://dev.openttdcoop.org/ogfx-trees 15:31:00 <planetmaker> both have trees. And share many 15:31:40 <planetmaker> I don't know exactly which the ogfx-trees author ported back again after I created growth stages for many of the trees 15:31:48 <planetmaker> and which / how many he added additionally 15:31:57 <planetmaker> got to go now. seminar 15:32:52 <swissfan91> 404 planetmaker :) 15:33:00 <swissfan91> the page you were trying to access.. 15:33:29 <V453000> then just find it on the devzone :) 15:34:09 <swissfan91> just thought he should know :) 15:35:21 <V453000> the link is just missing /projects/ I guess ... well, you can find it I believe :p it is well organized 15:36:24 <swissfan91> got it. 15:36:52 <V453000> doing some crazy cablelift with a christmas tree? :D 15:37:37 <swissfan91> nope just a town square :) 15:37:58 <swissfan91> can the sprites here - https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trees/repository/show/sprites only be downloaded as a .pcx file? 15:39:51 *** Wolfsherz [~Wolfsherz@46.115.16.206] has joined #openttd 15:39:58 <V453000> pcx is basically the same as png when you need to edit it already, isnt it? 15:40:13 <swissfan91> I don't seem to have anything that can open .pcx 15:40:18 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@ip-86-49-59-25.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 15:40:20 <swissfan91> i use paint.net, which won't. 15:40:39 <Eddi|zuHause> use a real program... 15:40:56 <V453000> oh :) 15:41:15 <V453000> then open in gimp, save as png and then work in paint.net I guess :) 15:41:34 <Eddi|zuHause> ALL graphics programs i EVER knew could open pcx files. for over 20 years... except windows paint (even the older paintbrush could) 15:41:34 *** Wolfsherz [~Wolfsherz@46.115.16.206] has quit [] 15:41:59 <swissfan91> apparently there's a .pcx plugin for paint.net, I'll give that a whirl. 15:49:11 <swissfan91> none of them look like christmas trees! Maybe I'll try stolen trees.. 15:49:34 <V453000> or draw your own tree? :) 15:49:54 <swissfan91> potentially that too :) 15:53:29 <Eddi|zuHause> didn't TTRS have christmas trees? 15:54:33 <Yexo> Eddi|zuHause: if values['ID#'] > 127: warning("%s %s: Has invalid articulated parts"%(comp, ident)) <- that can be removed now from cets 15:54:41 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... 15:54:45 <Eddi|zuHause> i thought that was removed 15:54:54 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe oberhÃŒmer forgot one place 15:55:16 <Eddi|zuHause> but i'm reworking that whole code anyway 16:00:47 *** amix [~Michal@77.88.121.165] has joined #openttd 16:04:47 *** swissfan91 [5e046369@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 16:17:36 <__ln__> something wrong with this: http://intl.parovoz.com/newgallery/pg_view.php?ID=172695 16:20:04 <peter1138> now i can't complain about people using DMUs to carry freight... 16:21:08 <Eddi|zuHause> only that these are EMUs 16:21:42 <Eddi|zuHause> this looks like switzerland. those are weird people :p 16:22:17 <peter1138> well, MU was the point :p 16:23:01 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:25:20 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 16:26:06 <__ln__> yes, it says КвейÑаÑÐžÑ 16:28:40 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but i can't actually read that :p 16:38:26 <Eddi|zuHause> WARNING: i'll enable http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/EolExtension on the CETS repo. 16:43:54 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:44:20 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 17:05:18 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0a9627.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 17:05:54 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d009ec9.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:09:10 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.26.172] has joined #openttd 17:17:23 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:19:16 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-054-082.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 17:19:32 *** TWerkhoven2 [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:20:11 <peter1138> warning? seems like a good idea :p 17:22:47 <peter1138> native = CRLF though? ew ;P 17:23:16 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:34:18 *** JVassie [~James@2.25.209.121] has joined #openttd 17:37:16 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.183.1] has joined #openttd 17:43:48 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.171.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:47:59 <Yexo> Eddi|zuHause: that doesn't help until oberhÃŒmer also enables that extension 17:52:31 *** swissfan91 [5e046369@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 17:56:17 <amix> hi 17:56:27 <amix> someone here playing TrainZ in here? 18:00:34 <swissfan91> can someone give me an Alpine Building to draw? :) 18:04:55 <Prof_Frink> http://alanblanchflower.co.uk/gallery2/d/10685-3/DSCN6258.JPG 18:08:07 <swissfan91> does it have a name? - so I can search for it to get other angles.. 18:08:49 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:16:28 <swissfan91> anyone feel free to chip in with any more :P 18:21:57 <Terkhen> hello 18:23:13 <Terkhen> oooh, shiny new strings to translate 18:23:29 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: frosch * r23509 /trunk/src/news_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#4884]: Drawing of newspaper headlines used different padding than the initial sizing of the window. 18:29:26 *** NicoNet2k [~Chris@cpe-76-188-161-222.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:43:28 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: translators * r23510 /trunk/src/lang/ (13 files): (log message trimmed) 18:43:28 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:43:28 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: belarusian - 9 changes by Wowanxm 18:43:28 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: dutch - 25 changes by habell 18:43:28 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: english_US - 9 changes by Rubidium 18:43:29 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: finnish - 13 changes by jpx_ 18:43:29 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: french - 5 changes by glx 18:44:01 <Prof_Frink> swissfan91: Britanniahutte. 18:44:08 *** RetiredNavyVet [~Gary_n_Sa@cpe-76-88-70-139.san.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 18:46:05 *** SnowDragon [~welshdrag@client-81-107-130-178.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: SnowDragon] 18:46:19 <swissfan91> is that in Saas-Fee, Prof_Frink? 18:46:28 <Prof_Frink> Aye. 18:46:44 <swissfan91> do you know the place? Or is that just where you google'd? 18:46:57 <Prof_Frink> I took that photo. 18:47:16 <swissfan91> well, that's handy :) 18:47:34 <Prof_Frink> I was going for the Selle, but don't have any good photos of it 18:48:06 <swissfan91> most of the graphics I have drawn so far are from Saas-fee, you may recognise them. 18:48:13 <swissfan91> well, you probably won't. they aren't that great :) 18:48:27 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ACB7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:48:52 <Prof_Frink> And I didn't stay that long in the town. 18:49:26 <swissfan91> oh right. you may have seen the distinctive church? 18:49:54 <swissfan91> http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=saas-fee+church&um=1&hl=en&biw=1022&bih=496&tbm=isch&tbnid=D_RZLLYkxMglNM:&imgrefurl=http://www.snow-forecast.com/resorts/Saas-Fee/photos/4937&docid=tuvDUS8ml7vMJM&imgurl=http://s0.fast-sfc.com/system/images/4937/large/Saas-Fee.jpg%253F1288358009&w=588&h=784&ei=Ep_nTu-wBImj8QPs1Mz4CQ&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=111&sig=1114728678185967 18:49:57 <swissfan91> oops 18:50:08 <swissfan91> http://s0.fast-sfc.com/system/images/4937/large/Saas-Fee.jpg?1288358009 18:50:44 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ACB7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:50:51 <swissfan91> and my version.. 18:50:52 <Prof_Frink> Ah yes. Opposite the guides office. 18:50:55 <swissfan91> http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=153257 18:51:37 <RetiredNavyVet> brrrr, cold...my nads just shriveled! 18:52:05 *** SnowDragon [~welshdrag@client-81-107-130-178.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:55:21 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:55:24 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 18:55:29 <swissfan91> what time of year did you go there, Prof_Frink? 18:56:35 <Prof_Frink> July 18:57:14 <swissfan91> ah, not a skier then. 18:57:41 <Prof_Frink> Alpinist! 18:58:17 <swissfan91> you should be able to give me plenty of buildings then! :) 18:59:14 <Prof_Frink> No, not many pictures with buildings in them 18:59:20 * Rubidium wonders how a fan of Switzerland can survive without a huge of amount photos of snowy Swiss buildings 18:59:50 <frosch123> maybe he is also a fan of the future :p 19:00:48 <Rubidium> future, does that even exist? ;) 19:00:55 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host48-239-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:01:13 <Wolf01> evening 19:01:30 <Rubidium> nice thought experiment: will there always be a present, if so how do you prove it? 19:02:33 <Rubidium> after all, you can only 'see' the past, not the present nor the future 19:02:35 <frosch123> i don't think there are necessary presents under your christmas tree .p 19:03:23 <Rubidium> also something you can't prove ;) 19:03:29 <swissfan91> rubidium - I have a HDD full of them at home! 19:03:47 <Prof_Frink> http://www.alanblanchflower.co.uk/images/DSCN6333-DSCN6346.JPG <-- Much nicer than silly buildings. 19:04:56 <swissfan91> very much so. 19:05:09 <swissfan91> Although it would take one hell of a landscape set to recreate that! 19:05:22 <Rubidium> especially as I have not Christmas tree 19:05:26 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ACB7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:07:16 <Rubidium> and my English is failing once more :( 19:07:42 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ACB7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:09:10 <Prof_Frink> swissfan91: Think of it as a challenge :) 19:12:58 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc1-aztw25-2-0-cust298.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:16:07 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:16:15 <andythenorth> hi 19:16:48 <andythenorth> planetmaker lock patch \o/ 19:17:20 <peter1138> it's not real 19:18:18 <andythenorth> nothing is real 19:22:20 *** swissfan91 [5e046369@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 19:25:00 *** RetiredNavyVet [~Gary_n_Sa@cpe-76-88-70-139.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 19:26:54 <andythenorth> so does cargo age on stations? 19:28:38 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 19:29:36 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:34:50 <frosch123> do stations age under cargo? 19:35:17 <andythenorth> not as far as I know :P 19:35:21 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ACB7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:37:15 <Yexo> andythenorth: does the station rating algorithm in FIRS work ok? 19:37:33 <Yexo> I'm thinking it should be copied to OpenGFX+Industires if it works ok 19:37:34 <andythenorth> Yexo: it's too efficient :) 19:37:45 <andythenorth> have you tried it? 19:37:59 <Yexo> I haven't played a game for a long time 19:38:09 <andythenorth> imho it makes for a better game, but it's currently too generous 19:38:19 <andythenorth> station rating algo perhaps made sense on a 64x64 map 19:38:22 <andythenorth> but not otherwise 19:38:26 <Yexo> ok 19:38:29 <andythenorth> (the old one that is) 19:38:47 <andythenorth> the current one needs to change the angle of decay curve after n days 19:38:53 <andythenorth> dunno what n is though 19:39:04 <andythenorth> I have a test game in progress, so we could tweak 19:39:10 <andythenorth> or play a MP game... 19:39:34 <andythenorth> or I can send you my save, and you can marvel how many 'outstanding' ratings I have ;) 19:40:31 <Yexo> no need, I'll play a game soon to test it 19:40:47 * andythenorth ponders allowing station tiles to adjust decay :P 19:40:52 <andythenorth> similar to cargo aging cb 19:42:34 <Yexo> say you mix two tiles in one station, for which tile would the callback get run? 19:45:01 <Hirundo> Yexo: AFAIK station rating is a cargo CB, not a station CB 19:45:19 <Yexo> * andythenorth ponders allowing station tiles to adjust decay :P <- I know, I was reacting to that 19:46:01 <frosch123> i thought we trash the rating cb in favour of gs? :p 19:47:54 <andythenorth> I think adjusting decay with station tiles might smell bad 19:48:03 <andythenorth> unnecessary 19:48:14 <andythenorth> and complicated :P 19:49:01 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-189-031.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:49:25 <peter1138> hmm, station triggers... 19:49:32 <peter1138> does anyone (try to) use them? 19:49:56 <frosch123> random triggers or animation triggers? 19:50:02 <peter1138> random 19:50:10 <peter1138> animation is, afaik, implemented 19:50:18 <frosch123> noone complained :) 19:52:12 <peter1138> triggers are so barely documented anyway :) 19:52:26 <peter1138> i do remember the fun & games with vehicle triggers back in the day 19:52:34 <peter1138> i assume they still work 19:52:38 <peter1138> i probably rewrote them 19:56:01 <peter1138> mind you station triggers are pretty undefined when you combine station parts from different newgrfs. hmm. 19:57:22 <frosch123> retriggering is only useful for tile-specific bits 19:58:12 * peter1138 ponders implementing it for completeness 19:58:23 <peter1138> might have to ask if any sets use it though :p 19:58:29 <peter1138> hmm 19:58:43 <peter1138> i could test for feature 4 type 80/83/84 20:00:49 <peter1138> i'm reminded of ge*rge's test grfs ;) 20:01:12 <frosch123> 84 is unlikely for stations :p 20:01:38 <frosch123> hmm, 83 as well 20:01:43 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-28-138-41.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:02:35 <peter1138> well yeah 20:02:45 <peter1138> but it's in one place 20:02:53 <peter1138> CHIPs uses random bits, but... 20:04:52 <peter1138> ok, need to test whether any do rerandomising 20:06:02 <peter1138> cos loads use random bits, heh 20:06:30 <peter1138> ISR and newstatsw 20:09:39 <peter1138> i remember when i was doing animation triggers, i was trying to merge them 20:09:49 *** SnowDragon [~welshdrag@client-81-107-130-178.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: SnowDragon] 20:09:53 <peter1138> and must've got distracted by animations, and forgot about the rerandomisations :p 20:11:16 <peter1138> cool, needs a savegame bump 20:30:35 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:38:30 *** SnowDragon [~welshdrag@client-81-107-130-178.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 20:46:41 *** SnowDragon_ [~welshdrag@client-86-31-20-40.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 20:46:51 *** SnowDragon_ [~welshdrag@client-86-31-20-40.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 20:47:43 *** SnowDragon_ [~welshdrag@client-86-31-20-40.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 20:49:52 *** S4DRampage [51841555@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 20:51:48 *** SnowDragon [~welshdrag@client-81-107-130-178.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:51:49 *** SnowDragon_ is now known as SnowDragon 20:56:59 *** S4DRampage [51841555@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 21:00:40 *** perk11 [~perk11@188.32.29.238] has joined #openttd 21:05:29 *** TWerkhoven2 [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into] 21:07:27 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: planetmaker * r23511 /trunk/src/order_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#4885] (r23504): Aircraft orders could not be shared anymore when they had no range property declared (Hirundo) 21:17:23 <Wolf01> range? 21:17:40 <Yexo> see commits from +- 21 hours agao 21:18:15 <Wolf01> oh, nice 21:19:50 <Wolf01> gah, I miss the auto suggest feature on the Explorer address bar, I hate to browse for a nested folder :P 21:20:08 <planetmaker> my FF does that... 21:20:39 <Wolf01> my FF too, but not Windows itself :P 21:20:47 <planetmaker> :-) 21:21:22 <Wolf01> I often try to close a window with a gesture I use on FF 21:21:58 <planetmaker> he 21:24:07 * Rubidium is once more disappointed by 'journalists' 21:25:31 <planetmaker> did they write bogus stuff? 21:25:34 <Rubidium> "the expectations are that december will remain relatively cold", yet each day's temperature has been above the average so far 21:26:52 <Rubidium> in some article talking about a white Christmas 21:27:09 <Wolf01> is it normal that, assumed I run the game from a thumb drive, when I download something with the "check online content" feature the game freezes until the current grf/scenario/data file has finished the download? 21:27:11 <Alberth> you should not read such things :) 21:27:45 <Rubidium> the 80% deviation bar doesn't even touch the 0 degrees for the coming weeks 21:28:00 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@ip-86-49-59-25.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:28:06 * andythenorth suggests it's cold 21:28:12 <andythenorth> more or less I don't care 21:28:20 <andythenorth> and also ice fell from the sky :/ 21:28:42 <Rubidium> though it's not as bad as the biggest disappointment I've had 21:29:09 <planetmaker> that sounds relatively harmless case of incompetency 21:29:12 <planetmaker> *like a 21:29:24 <Rubidium> a massive fire, yet there were no traces of CO2 in the air 21:29:27 <Alberth> good night all 21:29:31 <Rubidium> night Alberth 21:29:57 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:46:51 <Wolf01> 'night 21:46:55 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host48-239-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:52:31 *** Adambean [~AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 21:57:08 <Terkhen> good night 21:58:48 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc1-aztw25-2-0-cust298.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:01:59 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ACB7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:07:43 <appe> forever alone lever infinite: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelonoidis_nigra_abingdoni 22:09:49 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-189-031.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 22:12:10 <frosch123> night 22:12:14 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d009ec9.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:15:16 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.26.172] has quit [Quit: Sla Mutant Co-Op for Renegade - coming back soon] 22:21:14 *** pjpe [ade6a119@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 22:30:56 *** crismeme [02533ad6@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 22:31:11 <crismeme> hello 22:34:55 *** crismeme [02533ad6@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [] 22:37:33 <planetmaker> that sounds impatient ;-) 22:41:31 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ACB7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:44:03 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ACB7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:45:20 *** crismeme [02533ad6@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 22:45:22 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has quit [Quit: Popidopidopido] 22:55:01 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-189-031.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Python is way too complicated... 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