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00:02:07 <XaTriX> oukey it works, thx ;) 00:02:59 <XaTriX> but... "server full" & there is free slots oO 00:03:36 <kais58> is there a free company slot/spectator slot? 00:04:40 *** Lakie [~Lakie@109.176.242.224] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 00:04:55 <XaTriX> yeah 00:05:04 <kais58> is there both? 00:05:08 <XaTriX> (according to website : 7/15) 00:05:15 <XaTriX> oh... maybe companie 00:05:21 <kais58> are spectators disabled then? 00:05:49 <XaTriX> i didnt put informations for companies/spectator on connect command 00:05:58 <kais58> you can't 00:06:02 <kais58> as far as I know 00:06:21 <XaTriX> connect ip:port#1 for companie 1 or 255 for spectating 00:06:34 <XaTriX> but hard to get newgrf so 00:06:47 <kais58> when I've joined games from command line it's either out me in as spectator or made a new company every time 00:06:58 <kais58> with 'connect localhost' 00:07:18 <kais58> so we ended up with lots of empty companies 00:08:44 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: isn't there a attribute min_compatible_version or something like that for? 00:09:02 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: oh right, forgot that 00:10:06 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-188-034.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Python is way too complicated... I prefer doing it quickly in C.] 00:15:51 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-prvbrasgw1-fe05dc00-37.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 00:18:58 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-122-168.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:26:00 <XaTriX> whats the ports to newgrf gestion ? 00:34:15 *** mkv` [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:35:19 <Eddi|zuHause> @ports 00:35:20 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service, a.k.a. BaNaNaS (outbound) 00:50:20 <XaTriX> doesnt work because the servconf is not by default 00:50:47 <XaTriX> so 3984 work for connexion but i cant get server infos & contents from the server list 00:51:47 <Eddi|zuHause> then you allowed TCP connection, but not UDP connection 00:53:08 *** JVassie [~James@2.27.86.228] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:53:35 *** MMavipc [~crapmail@ip72-197-243-193.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 00:56:23 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:59:15 <kais58> only port 3979 (or whatever the port is set to) on TCP is required to connect to a server as a client for inbound connections on the server side, I have empirical eveidence to support this, but you'd need to use command line to connect. also you can't (as far as I know) tunnel udp down an ssh tunnel 01:00:08 <kais58> so it wouldn't appear in your server list even if you manually added it if udp isn't probably working 01:01:25 <TrueBrain> XaTriX: like I told you, you will have to use the command line, as doing UDP will be tricky 01:03:21 <kais58> s/probably/properly/ 01:03:25 *** MMavipc [~crapmail@ip72-197-243-193.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [] 01:09:14 *** MMavipc [~crapmail@ip72-197-243-193.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 01:12:00 *** FLHerne [~francis@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 01:12:33 <FLHerne> Is this IRC client working? 01:13:38 <TrueBrain> hello, check check 01:13:40 <TrueBrain> 1-2-3-4 01:13:41 <TrueBrain> 1-2-3-4 01:14:23 <FLHerne> Seems to be :-) 01:14:49 <FLHerne> Finally, this laptop's useful for something other than OpenTTD! 01:15:07 <FLHerne> I can use it to talk about OpenTTD as well... 01:15:38 <TrueBrain> I am scared :( 01:17:05 <FLHerne> Actually, my web browser's working now too, so I can look at the OpenTTD wiki and read OpenTTD forums! 01:17:51 <FLHerne> And if I sort out email, I could send OpenTTD-related messages to everyone 01:18:08 <FLHerne> [/obsess] 01:18:16 <TrueBrain> welcome to the club! 01:18:35 <FLHerne> Thanks 01:23:46 <Wolf01> 'night 01:23:50 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host48-239-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 01:24:14 <XaTriX> thx 01:24:26 <michi_cc> Eddi|zuHause: What's the reason for not subdividing <= 6lu? Implementation problems or just not enough benefits to be worth the work? 01:24:59 <Eddi|zuHause> it should be fairly trivial, but i did not think it was necessary 01:25:44 <Eddi|zuHause> we can adjust the subdividing if the curve behaviour is weird 01:26:19 <XaTriX> how can i get newgrf list on one server on the net ? 01:26:33 <TrueBrain> http://servers.openttd.org/ 01:26:34 <michi_cc> Would your scheme also work with two parts or does it needs 1/3 parts? 01:27:00 *** MMavipc [~crapmail@ip72-197-243-193.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [] 01:27:00 <XaTriX> rna ,$ 01:27:03 <Eddi|zuHause> it's best with 3 parts, so the turning point is in the middle 01:27:05 <XaTriX> TrueBrain: thanks 01:27:17 <Eddi|zuHause> 2 parts would need some slight enhancements 01:29:04 <michi_cc> So no subdividing of 2lu vehicles? :p 01:29:48 <Eddi|zuHause> i clamp the length to between 3lu and 16lu :) 01:30:17 <Eddi|zuHause> 2 parts might Just Work (tm) but it is untested 01:31:26 <Eddi|zuHause> just change the table, and the slices in the gfx.pnml 01:32:22 *** MMavipc [~crapmail@ip72-197-243-193.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 01:47:00 *** FLHerne [~francis@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:51:16 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-176-179.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:51:31 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-077-079.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 02:15:55 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:20:38 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-077-079.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 02:38:17 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-35-197.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 02:43:35 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-78-216.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:19:08 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:22:53 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 03:31:16 *** XaTriX [c130ac17@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 03:43:37 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:3800:9748:2491:fe36] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:04:53 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:49:01 *** fjb|tab is now known as Guest21572 04:49:01 *** Guest21572 [~frank@p5DDFF0A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:49:02 *** fjb|tab [~frank@p5DDFF0A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:02:54 *** pjpe [ae5b52e7@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 05:22:48 *** pjpe [ae5b52e7@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 05:51:34 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B74EAF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:51:56 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B74A93.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:04:51 *** namad7 [aaaaa@c-67-163-246-17.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:10:28 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-153-135.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 07:11:47 *** Elukka [Elukka@78-27-84-248.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 07:15:00 *** pjpe [ae5b52e7@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 07:33:13 *** KillerByte [~11Runner@c-24-20-61-147.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:21:56 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 08:34:56 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-013-119.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 08:43:37 *** fjb|tab [~frank@p5DDFF0A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:44:47 *** fjb|tab [~frank@p5DDFF0A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:45:09 *** fjb|tab is now known as Guest21580 08:45:09 *** Guest21580 [~frank@p5DDFF0A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:45:10 *** fjb|tab [~frank@p5DDFF0A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:50:35 <andythenorth> morning 08:51:01 <Rubidium> moin lord andy ;) 08:51:52 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r23666 /trunk/ (6 files in 4 dirs): -Document: the usual pre-Christmas documentation spree 09:02:56 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@D5225594.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 09:05:15 <Terkhen> good morning 09:05:54 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-35-197.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:07:00 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host48-239-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 09:07:07 <andythenorth> hola 09:07:13 <Wolf01> hello 09:07:22 <andythenorth> Terkhen: how did your first year of work go? :) 09:08:10 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r23667 /tags/1.2.0-beta1/: -Release: 1.2.0-beta1 09:08:55 <Terkhen> hi Wolf01 09:09:50 <Terkhen> andythenorth: fine, I'm still taking the courses :P 09:11:24 <Rubidium> 2/3rds on the way to r25k ;) 09:13:01 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 09:13:45 *** namad7 [aaaaa@c-67-163-246-17.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 09:15:35 <Wolf01> uhm, my pc seem to have some very problems this morning 09:15:44 <Wolf01> I'll try a reboot 09:15:47 <Wolf01> bbl 09:15:52 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host48-239-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 09:20:01 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host48-239-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 09:20:49 <Wolf01> bah, started with 3 pistons 09:21:34 <Wolf01> Some times I feel like the audio service is trolling me 09:27:39 <andythenorth> Rubidium: would diagonal rivers take us closer to r25k? 09:28:25 <Rubidium> you can make those quite easily with NewGRFs, can't you? 09:28:39 <Rubidium> just make the inner corners quite a lot bigger 09:30:25 <andythenorth> possible 09:30:35 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-077-079.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 09:30:40 <andythenorth> not quite the same though :P 09:30:44 <Terkhen> 1333 Doc commits would also get us closer to r25k :P 09:31:00 <Rubidium> that'd basically what an implementation in OpenTTD would get (maybe with dedicated sprites) 09:31:48 <andythenorth> teaching the river generator to go L-R-L-R-L etc? :P 09:32:09 *** fjb|tab is now known as Guest21581 09:32:09 *** fjb|tab [~frank@p5DDFF0A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:32:36 <Rubidium> andythenorth: the river generator is basically random 09:32:47 *** Guest21581 [~frank@p5DDFF0A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:34:23 <andythenorth> it follows paths though? Or do I misunderstand? 09:34:52 <planetmaker> moin 09:34:56 <Rubidium> andythenorth: it's 2 stage 09:35:55 <Rubidium> the first stage gets a 'random' high point and finds the closest lower point for each height level from the previous height level (recursing to find the sea / a valley); if it reaches a valley it makes a lake 09:36:48 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.26.172] has joined #openttd 09:37:00 <Rubidium> the second stage lets the pathfinder find a path between the "waypoints" found in stage 1, where the cost of each step is random. So eventually it will go to that lower point, but it most likely won't go straight 09:38:06 <andythenorth> so the long straight sections in rivers on my maps are just pure random chance? 09:39:52 <Rubidium> basically yes 09:40:26 <Rubidium> there's a setting to make the route more random/less straight 09:43:32 <andythenorth> :o 09:45:22 <andythenorth> he 09:45:29 <andythenorth> 0 is not a valid value for that setting 09:47:33 <andythenorth> Rubidium: what's the upper limit for that setting? 09:47:58 <Rubidium> 255? 09:48:11 <andythenorth> that was my guess :P 09:50:30 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-prvbrasgw1-fe05dc00-37.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 09:57:05 <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/2205/rivers_diagonal.png 09:59:04 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@D5225594.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:59:38 <Eddi|zuHause> the "problem" with just making the river banks straighter is that you can't put rail on the other half :( 10:00:25 <Eddi|zuHause> (unlike half-shore tiles) 10:01:15 <Eddi|zuHause> and you can't terraform the tile to half slope either 10:02:37 <andythenorth> meh 10:03:07 <andythenorth> rail on the river banks I don't care 10:03:54 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... nobody made CETS bug reports yet... 10:04:13 <Eddi|zuHause> i assume everything works perfectly then :p 10:04:34 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: why not put rail on the other half? Not enough bits? 10:05:58 <Eddi|zuHause> idea: tiles remember whether they were river tiles in the past, and if they are cleared, they re-flood 10:10:57 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: planetmaker somewhat did that for locks 10:11:16 <andythenorth> it annoys me when a river doesn't reconnect 10:11:32 <andythenorth> could we cache the origin point and run the pathfinder again? 10:11:45 <andythenorth> ^ might be more interesting with terraforming.... 10:12:06 <andythenorth> I guess caching random is an interesting computing problem :P 10:12:52 <Eddi|zuHause> storing the origin point of a river is not the problem. repeatedly checking whether it's still connected to the end point is 10:13:08 * andythenorth sees 10:13:18 <andythenorth> hadn't thought of that :P 10:13:37 <andythenorth> store an array of tile x / y indexes? 10:13:45 <andythenorth> per river 10:14:03 <andythenorth> if (tile is bulldozed) { do_stuff } 10:15:10 <Eddi|zuHause> that implies storing a "river pool" 10:15:34 <Eddi|zuHause> which might be the dreaded TMWFTLB 10:16:29 <andythenorth> GS? 10:16:49 * andythenorth thinks GS might *not* be the answer to every feature request :P 10:17:54 <Eddi|zuHause> a GS could do that, but it has to retroactively guess what was the origin point, as the world generator has already forgotten this data at this point 10:18:17 <Eddi|zuHause> and it cannot react on clear-commands 10:19:13 <Terkhen> :P 10:21:13 *** JVassie [~James@2.27.86.228] has joined #openttd 10:21:44 <Rubidium> what about man made rivers (scenario editor)? 10:22:59 <Wolf01> what about lively rivers? 10:23:48 <Eddi|zuHause> my idea would be totally independent of that. you'd only ever turn clear tiles into river tiles in the tile loop, no rerouting (this would be disabled in the scenario editor) 10:26:32 *** DDR [~chatzilla@142.179.78.88] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 8.0/20111115183541]] 10:27:19 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AA30.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:27:56 *** pjpe [ae5b52e7@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 10:27:58 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 10:40:05 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has joined #openttd 10:40:41 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: that implies storing a "river pool" <-- imho that's a good way to go, though 10:40:50 <planetmaker> it'd allow to attach 'character' to rivers, too. And names 10:41:55 <peter1138> LIVELY RIVERS 10:42:38 <peter1138> hmm, right, off to tesco 10:42:47 <peter1138> hopefully not too busy 10:42:49 <peter1138> (yeah right) 10:43:30 <andythenorth> biab 10:44:30 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 10:45:00 <Eddi|zuHause> there are non-busy shops on christmas eve? :p 10:45:42 <Rubidium> yup 11:01:29 <Zuu> Lovely comment "... , really i see only the problem of developing it." :-) 11:02:29 <__ln__> this year: +1 degree C, barely any snow; last year: -31 degrees, plenty of snow 11:04:04 *** swissfan91 [5e0a1d27@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 11:04:14 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@D5225594.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 11:08:54 <Rubidium> Zuu: isn't that always the problem? 11:11:04 *** swissfan91 [5e0a1d27@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 11:15:46 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:26:47 *** andrea [~andrea@apn-94-44-218-207.vodafone.hu] has joined #openttd 11:26:58 <andrea> merning everyone :) 11:27:09 *** andrea is now known as Guest21583 11:27:12 <planetmaker> moin 11:28:02 <Guest21583> here is something I have been thinking on ... Our faculty at the uni has a class called the basics of computer programming where we are to learn about algorithmic thinking, Jackson figures and whatnot 11:28:22 <Guest21583> to teach people how to break down more complex tasks to simpler ones, TTD is perfect 11:28:42 <Guest21583> when zou set up the routes, depo, conditional gotos and similar things 11:29:08 <Guest21583> pretty much there is everything built into TTD already starting from loops to conditions 11:29:44 <Terkhen> do you mean AIs? 11:29:48 <Guest21583> would it be much of an undertaking to fork or patch TTD to let us set up routes with handwritten code? 11:29:56 <Guest21583> no, no AIs 11:30:26 <Guest21583> when you manually set the route for a train.. go to there, load full cargo, go there unload, maintain if needed 11:30:37 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-110-180.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 11:30:53 *** Guest21583 is now known as vargadanis 11:31:10 <vargadanis> okkay.. I was andrea, then Guest and now vargadanis :) 11:31:13 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:31:14 <vargadanis> so weird :) 11:31:19 <Rubidium> you mean controlling all actions of all trains manually? 11:31:38 <vargadanis> yeah sorta :) 11:31:52 <vargadanis> writing a simple language parser isn't too complicated 11:32:07 <vargadanis> integrating it into TTD is a bigger challenge 11:32:24 <vargadanis> the faculty has huge server farms where each of the students could run their simulations 11:32:42 <vargadanis> or 1 big ass simulation where all the students share the same world 11:32:45 <Terkhen> it would be way simpler to use AIs / goal scripts if you want to teach coding 11:32:49 <vargadanis> see who wins at the end of the semester 11:32:52 <planetmaker> vargadanis: you can control the routes directly by placing waypoints behind junctions 11:33:39 <planetmaker> But writing AIs or goal scripts is the better thing IMHO to teach these things on 11:33:40 <vargadanis> planetmaker, what I meant was: inted of a GUI interface, let the users type in commands such as: MOVE TRAIN TO "station2" 11:34:06 <planetmaker> but... an AI does that. Not? 11:34:16 <vargadanis> planetmaker, yeah, could be, dunno 11:34:17 <Terkhen> yes, an AI can do that 11:34:20 <planetmaker> If you're an AI, you can always change orders continuously, if you want 11:34:23 <vargadanis> havent dug into AIs yet 11:34:28 <vargadanis> but that could work 11:34:39 <vargadanis> yeah... 11:34:46 <Rubidium> but then you won't be influencing path finding 11:34:55 <planetmaker> no, of course not 11:35:03 <vargadanis> so people program AIs and the complexity of the AI could increase as the semester goes on 11:35:10 <Rubidium> and the major question is: what level of commands are you thinking of? 11:35:23 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:35:24 <vargadanis> well the course is for 1st year students 11:35:29 <planetmaker> Or rather: what should be the goal of the programming course? 11:35:30 <vargadanis> the most basics of the things 11:35:44 <Rubidium> move to station, or move to next tile + go left + move to next tile + start breaking + ... 11:35:57 <vargadanis> there are 2 courses going on at the same time: these basics and a programming in C course 11:36:10 <planetmaker> well. This is squirrel 11:36:25 <vargadanis> by the end of the semester people are to know C, linked lists, basic data structures, basic modeling and whatnot 11:36:34 <planetmaker> But does such course really need the basic 'move one tile forward' thing? 11:36:45 <vargadanis> possibly not 11:37:05 <vargadanis> I do not think breaking it down that much would make much sense 11:37:57 <vargadanis> do you guys know Scratch? 11:37:58 <vargadanis> it a stupid GUI thingie that is used to help people understand algorithmic thinking 11:38:04 <vargadanis> developed by MIT 11:38:17 <vargadanis> I hate it and so does most of the folks here but is being used 11:38:35 <vargadanis> I thought TTD would offer an alternative with more fun and more possibilities 11:39:02 <vargadanis> and involving a Computer Science Faculty to a project like this would mean great things to TTD :) 11:39:28 <vargadanis> best thing I can do right now: write a forum post about this idea and see what we can come up with 11:39:35 <vargadanis> btw: the teacher was more the eager to give it a shot 11:39:56 <vargadanis> well professor rather with 2 PHDs 11:40:21 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 11:40:43 <Rubidium> as introduction it might be a bit steep; simply giving vehicles an order is relatively easy, however you need to build infrastructure 11:41:16 <Rubidium> and the building of infrastructure is algorithmically quite complex (at least I'd say for some first year CS students) 11:42:15 <Rubidium> and that infrastructure building is what you need to start with 11:42:40 <Rubidium> unless you limit it to road vehicles and already have placed a nice road network between towns and industries 11:43:22 <Rubidium> the the infrastructure building is much easier; only building of stations and depots that are connected to roads (under the premise that the roads are fully connected) 11:43:44 <Rubidium> once they have mastered that you can get them to possibly optimise their routes by building shortcuts 11:44:07 <Rubidium> that should teach them some basic path finding skills and the knowledges how to build roads 11:44:43 <Rubidium> finally you'd end up with a generated map with no roads except inner town roads where you let the students build the actual road network 11:44:46 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-117-11.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 11:45:51 <vargadanis> how this works is that every week the students had to do some silly something in that Scratch thing... would not take long to generate a map every week where the students were to do specific things 11:46:06 <vargadanis> the most basic one is to let the vechicle go from there to there 11:46:08 <__ln__> http://m.h-online.com/open/news/item/ISO-updates-C-standard-1400814.html 11:46:15 <vargadanis> with prebuilt infrastructure 11:46:31 <vargadanis> Rubidium, thanx for the tip 11:47:26 *** mode/#openttd [+o Rubidium] by ChanServ 11:47:26 *** Rubidium changed the topic of #openttd to: 1.1.4, 1.2.0-beta1 | Website: *.openttd.org (translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki, patches & bug-reports: bugs, revision log: vcs, release info: finger) | Don't ask to ask, just ask | 'Latest' is not a valid version, ever | English only 11:47:46 *** mode/#openttd [-o Rubidium] by ChanServ 11:48:51 <vargadanis> _Bool ? ohh 11:48:58 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-110-180.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:48:58 <vargadanis> that is new to C 11:50:24 <Rubidium> just like _Static_assert ;) 11:50:47 <vargadanis> ohh wow 11:50:51 <vargadanis> there are a lot of new things 11:51:23 <Rubidium> complex and imaginary numbers... who would've imagined that? 11:51:42 <Eddi|zuHause> imagine the complexity! 11:52:08 <vargadanis> yeah well those seem kind of things that could have been omitted from a programming language spec 11:52:35 <vargadanis> but won't hurt to have them 11:52:53 <vargadanis> I am keen on trying the new stuffz... will look it up when gcc will support the new standard 11:53:59 <vargadanis> static const char _ _func_ _[] = "function-name"; 11:53:59 <vargadanis> interesting... 11:55:34 <Rubidium> quite a bit might already be supported, otherwise I'd reckon not before march 11:57:08 <vargadanis> seems like the C course at the uni will have to be updated 11:57:13 <Eddi|zuHause> they should start working on C++2x now :) 11:57:34 <vargadanis> hm.. generics 11:57:48 <vargadanis> these specs should be an interesting read when I have a bit more time 11:58:17 <vargadanis> is it normal to be so excited about a language update? :) 12:03:06 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think you should worry about that anymore :p 12:05:07 <peter1138> hmm 12:08:07 *** vargadanis [~andrea@apn-94-44-218-207.vodafone.hu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:12:36 <Elukka> http://www.modellbahnshop-lippe.com/article_data/images/5/81699_b.jpg 12:12:56 <Elukka> looks like the brakeman's cab was removed but the platform is still there 12:13:29 <Elukka> i've heard that around the time the wheelsets were changed from spoked to disc wheels some of them ran around with one spoked, one disc set 12:13:48 <Elukka> Eddi|zuHause: you know things, until how long would cars like the G10 been in common use? 12:16:49 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-66-133.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 12:22:55 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-23-129.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:33:29 <andythenorth> does nml include a cargo translation table? 12:34:50 <planetmaker> yes 12:35:00 <planetmaker> of course 12:35:16 <planetmaker> you need to define it, of course, if you want one 12:35:30 <planetmaker> look for 'cargotable' in the docs 12:38:20 <andythenorth> so there isn't one bundled already? :) 12:38:44 <planetmaker> well. No. How can it know which cargos you need? 12:39:08 <planetmaker> well... could. somewhat 12:39:17 <planetmaker> but... that's difficult 12:39:28 <planetmaker> http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NML:Cargotable 12:42:02 <andythenorth> is there one I can steal somewhere? 12:44:35 <planetmaker> yes... opengfx+ trains or rv 12:44:51 <planetmaker> they should contain all cargos which are defined in the newgrf specs 12:45:27 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/repository/entry/src/cargo_definitions.pnml 12:49:05 <andythenorth> some useful defines there too 13:02:39 <planetmaker> yes. Mind that those defines there don't make use of the new cargo entries, andythenorth 13:03:05 <planetmaker> you probably don't want to use the bitmask property there to adjust individual cargo refits 13:03:26 <planetmaker> rather make use of the newer properties which deal with force-allow and force-deny by label directly 13:03:42 <planetmaker> this hasn't been changed with those newgrfs yet 13:03:44 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: smatz * r23668 /trunk/src/ai/ai_gui.cpp: -Fix: the 'Configure' button in the 'AI / Game Configuration' window didn't get enabled when activating a GameScript 13:04:08 <planetmaker> cargo_allow_refit and cargo_disallow_refit are your friends there 13:06:11 *** JVassie [~James@2.27.86.228] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:11:44 *** George|2 [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 13:11:44 *** George is now known as Guest21591 13:11:44 *** George|2 is now known as George 13:12:43 *** Guest21591 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:14:53 *** mib_z2fbmm [29840208@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 13:15:08 <mib_z2fbmm> any dev here? 13:16:07 <planetmaker> @topic get -3 13:16:07 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: Don't ask to ask, just ask 13:17:17 <mib_z2fbmm> want someone who would write a new custom grf for me 13:18:08 <planetmaker> lol 13:18:37 <planetmaker> post your sprites in the newgrf development section. And layout your ideas there 13:19:09 <planetmaker> and yes, I also want a slave who does work for me upon request ;-) 13:22:13 <mib_z2fbmm> ill pay for it 13:25:02 <planetmaker> according to my accounting department, I should charge 70⬠per hour 13:26:36 <mib_z2fbmm> fine ill pay you a 100, if you do it :) 13:27:07 <mib_z2fbmm> want to be able to custom all speeds of all vehicles including power of trains 13:28:05 <planetmaker> that's not feasible. Unless you limit the scope to "no newgrf vehicles" 13:28:10 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:5882:6471:d16b:c3df] has joined #openttd 13:28:13 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:29:00 <mib_z2fbmm> well anyway i can thats what i want to do 13:29:02 <orudge> mib_z2fbmm: it sounds like you want TTDAlter 5.0 13:29:06 <orudge> Unfortunately, I've not written it yet. 13:29:18 *** vargadanis [vargadanis@catv-89-135-23-65.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 13:29:19 <Terkhen> bbl 13:29:30 <mib_z2fbmm> thats correct orudge 13:29:42 <orudge> In theory I have plans, in practice I have no time. 13:29:49 <orudge> But you never know, we shall see. 13:29:51 <mib_z2fbmm> lol 13:30:05 <mib_z2fbmm> cool 13:30:28 <planetmaker> orudge: but... that won't work for openttd ;-) 13:30:37 <orudge> planetmaker: well, it'll operate on NewGRFs 13:30:42 <orudge> but not any old NewGRF 13:30:57 <orudge> it'll just let somebody who wants to tweak the standard TTD vehicles do that, and I guess create simple NewGRF sets 13:31:05 <orudge> but nothing complex 13:31:14 <orudge> but that's the theory; as I say, it doesn't exist and isn't likely to any time soon 13:31:18 <orudge> :p 13:31:49 <planetmaker> orudge: but with the engine override... not sure you can parametrize the grfID 13:31:57 <planetmaker> or it'll get very messy 13:32:31 <orudge> er, well, I'm not sure. 13:35:39 *** vargadanis [vargadanis@catv-89-135-23-65.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:42:58 *** APTX [APTX@89-78-217-144.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 13:42:58 *** APTX_ [APTX@89-78-217-144.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:46:38 *** perk11 [~perk11@188.32.29.238] has joined #openttd 14:00:47 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-103-138.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 14:05:00 *** perk11 [~perk11@188.32.29.238] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 14:05:51 <andythenorth> how odd 14:06:17 * andythenorth had vehicle length issues with an aRV 14:06:23 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-117-11.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:08:29 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@D5225594.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:08:35 <planetmaker> have a merry Christmas everyone 14:09:01 <andythenorth> you too planetmaker 14:13:40 *** andythenorth is now known as Guest21594 14:13:40 *** Guest21594 [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:13:41 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:15:02 *** andythenorth is now known as Guest21595 14:15:03 *** Guest21595 [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:15:03 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:15:49 *** insulfrog [~insulfrog@host-2-97-181-12.as13285.net] has joined #openttd 14:16:25 *** andythenorth is now known as Guest21596 14:16:25 *** Guest21596 [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:16:25 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:21:23 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.hdsnet.hu] has joined #openttd 14:26:12 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@D5225594.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 14:26:12 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:27:17 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.ruthe.de/cartoons/strip_1459.jpg 14:28:12 <andythenorth> hmm 14:28:25 * andythenorth could just use on vehicle for all BANDIT trailers 14:28:31 <andythenorth> and a *lot* of cb36 :P 14:28:49 <Eddi|zuHause> that again fails autoreplace... 14:29:03 <andythenorth> I thought it smelt funny :) 14:30:02 <Eddi|zuHause> we use almost no cb36 in CETS 14:32:31 <peter1138> hm 14:32:33 <Terkhen> bbl 14:32:38 <andythenorth> adios 14:32:46 <peter1138> why is everyone going? :( 14:33:53 * andythenorth isn't 14:34:05 * andythenorth is however going to wake the toddler up 14:34:11 <andythenorth> so no more code for a bit :( 14:34:21 <andythenorth> just as I started to figure pnml 14:34:59 *** andythenorth is now known as Guest21597 14:34:59 *** Guest21597 [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:35:00 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:36:22 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.hdsnet.hu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:36:22 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:36:30 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:37:38 *** andythenorth is now known as Guest21598 14:37:38 *** Guest21598 [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:37:38 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:38:55 *** andythenorth is now known as Guest21599 14:38:55 *** Guest21599 [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:38:56 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:41:29 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 14:43:47 *** Ardonel [~Ardonel@75-141-134-16.dhcp.mdfd.or.charter.com] has joined #openttd 14:47:34 <SmatZ> http://xkcd.com/985/ I hate that too 14:48:28 <SmatZ> [15:31:53] <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.ruthe.de/cartoons/strip_1459.jpg <== I noticed that link ends in a number... and yes, there are strips #1458, #1457, #1456... guess I have a lot to do for following few days :) 14:56:11 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-93-223.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 15:01:23 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-103-138.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:02:24 *** JVassie [~James@2.27.86.228] has joined #openttd 15:10:12 <andythenorth> hmm 15:10:29 <andythenorth> how to template nml 15:10:46 <andythenorth> can I declare 'item' multiple times for the same vehicle? 15:10:58 <andythenorth> and can I do maths? 15:11:03 <andythenorth> for property values? 15:14:38 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.65.47] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:14:49 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.65.47] has joined #openttd 15:15:45 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: how do I do (some_value / 2) in nml? 15:19:29 *** fjb|tab is now known as Guest21602 15:19:30 *** fjb|tab [~frank@p5DDFD54A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:21:19 *** insulfrog [~insulfrog@host-2-97-181-12.as13285.net] has quit [Quit: User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby] 15:22:28 *** Guest21602 [~frank@p5DDFF0A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:28:16 *** TomyLobo [~foo@p54947EF7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 15:46:57 <Terkhen> exactly like that 15:54:16 <andythenorth> hmm 15:56:42 <andythenorth> works 15:56:44 <andythenorth> is it documented? 15:56:49 <andythenorth> I have searched the nml docs 15:57:37 <Terkhen> http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NML:Expressions 16:17:12 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d083446.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:24:28 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-73-67.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 16:38:43 * Belugas wishes a merry christmas to you all, and goes back with family 16:39:15 <Eddi|zuHause> yes... it's almost present time now... 16:47:12 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:49:23 <Terkhen> Belugas: merry christmas, see you :) 16:56:10 *** Adambean [~AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 17:01:06 <Eddi|zuHause> somewhen i should do a list of missing features for a release... 17:01:37 <Eddi|zuHause> off the top of my head: price, running cost, availability time, length refit 17:01:56 <Eddi|zuHause> internally: reusing graphics for multiple vehicles 17:15:38 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:16:01 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-013-119.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Python is way too complicated... I prefer doing it quickly in C.] 17:26:12 *** mib_z2fbmm [29840208@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 17:42:52 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 17:43:56 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:50:29 <andythenorth> is lack of grf-crawler such a big deal? 17:51:59 <andythenorth> also - am I the only one left here? everyone else seems to be doing christmas :o 17:52:18 *** Amis [~Amis@dsl51B65562.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 17:52:24 <Amis> Hello o/ 17:52:27 <Amis> I have a quick one 17:52:34 <Amis> What's the range of a lumber mill? 17:54:09 <andythenorth> hmm 17:56:03 <andythenorth> Amis: not sure, but 40 or 20 tiles radius 17:56:12 <andythenorth> not sure if it's a square box, or a circle 17:56:20 <Amis> A square, I'm sure of it 17:56:32 <andythenorth> (I'm reading src, but slightly guessing) 17:56:46 <Amis> I may just fetch the code and try to guess it 17:56:46 <andythenorth> if (CircularTileSearch(&tile, 40, SearchLumberMillTrees, NULL)) { // 40x40 tiles to search. 17:56:51 <Amis> Oh 17:56:57 <andythenorth> industry_cmd.cpp l1087 17:58:04 <Amis> I see 17:58:14 <Amis> Thanks 18:19:30 <Eddi|zuHause> we should have an openttd icon which updates itself with christmas decorations, like the vlc logo! 18:22:17 *** KillerByte [~11Runner@c-24-20-61-147.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:25:08 *** KillerByte [~11Runner@c-24-20-61-147.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [] 18:29:19 * andythenorth broke nml :P 18:29:46 * andythenorth fixes it 18:29:51 *** Vinnie_nl [~VincentAi@5354CF9D.cm-6-5d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 18:35:00 *** MinchinWeb [~6034f4d5@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 18:35:45 *** KillerByte [~11Runner@c-24-20-61-147.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:37:02 *** Vinnie_nl [~VincentAi@5354CF9D.cm-6-5d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has left #openttd [] 18:37:15 *** KillerByte [~11Runner@c-24-20-61-147.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [] 18:37:39 *** MinchinWeb [~6034f4d5@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [] 18:37:45 *** KillerByte [~11Runner@c-24-20-61-147.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:37:58 *** KillerByte is now known as Runner 18:40:53 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: translators * r23669 /trunk/src/lang/ (estonian.txt hebrew.txt slovenian.txt swedish.txt): 18:40:53 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:40:53 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: estonian - 112 changes by notAbot 18:40:53 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: hebrew - 2 changes by rril 18:40:53 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: slovenian - 33 changes by ntadej 18:40:55 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: swedish - 7 changes by Zuu 18:49:01 *** pjpe [ae5b52e7@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 19:17:44 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 19:23:20 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@D5225594.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:39:09 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-93-223.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 19:46:07 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-93-223.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:09:59 *** vargadanis [vargadanis@catv-89-135-23-65.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 20:10:03 <vargadanis> hi 20:10:26 <vargadanis> so annoying.. whatever I do admiralAI always beats me in every possible way 20:10:49 <vargadanis> any tips what I might do wrong or what to watch out for? 20:14:20 <andythenorth> why does nml care about the order of properties in an item block? 20:23:19 <Eddi|zuHause> it'll be the same order as in the final grf 20:23:40 <Eddi|zuHause> what is the actual problem, though? 20:25:37 <andythenorth> seems to be a conflict between cargo class props and the new allowed / disallowed cargo props 20:25:43 <andythenorth> using nml tip 20:25:51 <andythenorth> has anyone used those props yet I wonder? 20:25:54 <andythenorth> brb 20:27:27 <Eddi|zuHause> code?! 20:39:20 <Eddi|zuHause> another (internal) feature to remember: autogenerate the company-availabilities 20:42:39 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: if I commit, would you mind checking out BANDIT? 20:42:54 <andythenorth> easier than a paste of multiple files 20:42:58 <Eddi|zuHause> url? 20:43:35 *** Syrius [~Amis@dsl51B65569.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 20:44:18 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: http://hg.openttdcoop.org/bandit 20:47:13 <Eddi|zuHause> " Fix: fix previous fix by actually adding the missing file" :) 20:49:03 <Eddi|zuHause> so what's the offending code? 20:50:31 <andythenorth> test_vehicle.pnml 20:50:42 *** Amis [~Amis@dsl51B65562.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:50:47 <andythenorth> there's a set of defines for cargos / classes 20:51:08 <andythenorth> used by templates/template_articulated_truck_item.tnml 20:54:01 *** Adambean [~AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:55:55 <Eddi|zuHause> sprites/nml/templates/template_clear_defines.tnml:8:27: warning: extra tokens at end of #undef directive 20:56:08 <Eddi|zuHause> and what's the actual problem? 20:58:32 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d083446.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:59:01 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d083446.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 21:02:53 <andythenorth> tested in game, the vehicle doesn't have the refits I'd expect 21:03:09 *** fjb|tab is now known as Guest21626 21:03:09 *** Guest21626 [~frank@p5DDFD54A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:03:09 *** fjb|tab [~frank@p5DDFD54A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:03:30 <andythenorth> and if the classes are moved after the cargos in the template, there are issues 21:04:05 <andythenorth> [2011-12-24 21:08:22] dbg: [grf] [bandit/bandit.grf:23] FeatureChangeInfo: Unknown property 0x2B of feature 0x01, disabling 21:05:14 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.hdsnet.hu] has joined #openttd 21:05:46 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm getting 20 passengers and 20 mail 21:05:50 <Eddi|zuHause> not refittable 21:06:03 <andythenorth> yup 21:06:11 <andythenorth> should be refittable to coal 21:06:27 <andythenorth> I'll disable the trailer 21:06:31 <andythenorth> (test) 21:07:11 <andythenorth> hmm 21:07:20 <andythenorth> unarticulated, it's refittable 21:07:21 <andythenorth> but not to coal 21:11:10 <andythenorth> hmm 21:11:10 <andythenorth> I 21:11:15 <andythenorth> have ottd tip 21:12:11 <andythenorth> and nml tip 21:13:16 <andythenorth> nml bug? or ottd bug? :P 21:13:35 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't see what you're actually doing wrong 21:13:43 *** Syrius [~Amis@dsl51B65569.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Quit: *pop*] 21:13:47 <Eddi|zuHause> but i don't get that error message either 21:14:04 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe nml bug 21:14:10 * andythenorth tests whether ottd supports those properties 21:14:17 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.hdsnet.hu] has left #openttd [] 21:14:44 <Eddi|zuHause> is it the right property number for road vehicles? 21:15:32 <andythenorth> should be 24 / 25 according to wiki 21:15:55 *** DDR [~chatzilla@142.179.78.88] has joined #openttd 21:18:56 <andythenorth> hmm 21:19:00 <andythenorth> can't test it with nfo 21:19:04 <andythenorth> grfcodec doesn't support it 21:19:11 <Eddi|zuHause> nml says 23/24 21:19:56 <andythenorth> grfcodec claims support 21:20:02 <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/grfcodec/repository/revisions/a21a5f5907ee 21:20:35 <andythenorth> ah it's renum that fails :P 21:21:06 <Eddi|zuHause> so it looks like nml has an obiwan 21:23:22 <andythenorth> hmm 21:27:29 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: fixed :) 21:27:31 <andythenorth> thanks 21:28:40 <andythenorth> hope I fixed that right :P 21:28:50 <andythenorth> surprised I had the rights to push :o 21:44:50 <andythenorth> hmm 21:45:00 <andythenorth> trucks refit to everything but PAX, right? 21:45:02 <andythenorth> including mail? 21:45:21 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah 21:51:23 *** pjpe [ae5b52e7@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 21:51:28 *** pjpe [ae5b52e7@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 21:54:10 *** orudge` [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 21:54:56 <fjb|tab> Trucks refit to pax in africa... 21:55:20 *** orudge is now known as Guest21631 21:55:21 *** orudge` is now known as orudge 21:55:41 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 21:56:04 *** Guest21631 [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:10:37 * andythenorth wonders 22:10:46 <andythenorth> can vehicles access props of other vehicles in the chain yet? 22:11:24 <andythenorth> bah 22:11:32 <andythenorth> yes, but not during cb36 22:11:32 <andythenorth> :P 22:15:11 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, do i need to increase the railtype limit? :S 22:15:30 <Eddi|zuHause> hehe :) 22:15:41 <Eddi|zuHause> but i don't think so 22:16:02 <Eddi|zuHause> what would good design be without ressource limits :) 22:16:31 <andythenorth> what would good spelling be without s limits? :D 22:16:48 * andythenorth can't find a way to use minimal number of trailer IDs 22:16:55 <andythenorth> so I'll just use lots, templated 22:17:14 <andythenorth> fortunately someone created an engine pool :) 22:17:54 <andythenorth> splitting the cargo on a truck over tractor / trailer is an interesting problem 22:18:01 <andythenorth> (for TE purposes on the tractor) 22:18:07 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: besides the whole map array stuff, increasing the number of railtypes needs a serious rethinking of the GUI 22:18:29 <andythenorth> are railtypes good, generally? 22:18:34 <andythenorth> I've only used the UKRS 2 ones 22:18:44 <andythenorth> which is basically default + third rail 22:20:56 <peter1138> it's just a drop down list :p 22:21:26 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, and dropdown lists should generally not exceed 7 entries 22:21:27 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, per-company mapping, up to 16 different types used by one company, "unlimited" types available 22:22:07 <peter1138> probably crappy performance thoug :p 22:24:15 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: afaik, the 7 thing is unevidenced 22:24:30 <andythenorth> I read something about it sometime this year on a UI blog 22:25:50 <andythenorth> I have photoshop menus that I have to scroll :P 22:26:17 <Eddi|zuHause> it may not be a hard limit, but it certainly is bad to have endless dropdown lists 22:27:55 <andythenorth> it's better when there are dividers 22:28:25 <andythenorth> if I could be bothered to find the Apple UI guidelines, I think it's 7 per group, with dividers between groups 22:28:34 <andythenorth> but yeah - lots of railtypes puts me off 22:33:47 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm thinking more like putting the "traction type"-relevant bits in a separate dropdown from the rest of the railtype properties. so in NuTracks you'd get one dropdown for slow/medium/fast rail, and one for normal/electric/3rd rail 22:33:56 <Eddi|zuHause> and making both available from the rail toolbar 22:34:23 <andythenorth> could make sense 22:34:31 <andythenorth> hierarchical menu? 22:34:43 <Eddi|zuHause> nah 22:34:53 <andythenorth> or grf authors specify fewer railtypes? 22:35:04 <andythenorth> we're drowning in railtypes, yet we only have two roadtypes :( 22:35:04 <Eddi|zuHause> just two dropdowns next to the convert button 22:36:15 * andythenorth might be obsessing too much about physics 22:36:36 <andythenorth> nvm 22:36:50 <Ammler> scrolling menu are very bad 22:37:13 <Ammler> then you should have type filter 22:37:21 <andythenorth> yup 22:37:48 <Ammler> or submenu :-) 22:40:58 <Ammler> good night all 22:41:03 <andythenorth> bye Ammler 22:41:06 <andythenorth> happy christmas ;) 22:43:59 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:48:18 *** pjpe [ae5b52e7@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 22:49:27 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-93-223.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:11:33 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 23:15:03 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.26.172] has quit [Quit: Sla Mutant Co-Op for Renegade - coming back soon] 23:15:35 *** FLHerne [~francis@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:21:09 <Wolf01> night, and happy christmas :) 23:21:16 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-prvbrasgw1-fe05dc00-37.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 23:21:23 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host48-239-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:27:48 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has quit [Quit: Popidopidopido] 23:29:25 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r23670 /trunk/src/ (7 files in 2 dirs): -Feature: Add ability to adjust brightness of colour after remapping for 32bpp sprites 23:32:14 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-73-67.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:51:53 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AA30.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:57:13 *** Elukka [Elukka@78-27-84-248.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit []