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00:16:27 *** JVassie_ [~James@2.25.210.240] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:17:10 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:17:43 *** Elu [Elukka@78-27-90-104.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 00:18:08 <frosch123> night 00:18:12 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590d5cdd.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:23:27 *** Elukka [Elukka@78-27-90-104.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:27:32 *** vodka [~paper@154.Red-83-43-125.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 00:29:17 *** Elu is now known as Elukka 00:32:27 * Zuu thinks OpenTTD got zombie messages. 00:32:54 <Zuu> At least I got a GSGoal.Question window showing up in chapter 1.2 that should only show in chapter 1.1 :-) 00:33:18 <Zuu> In 1.1 it is closed by GSWindow.Close(...) 00:36:20 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-153-135.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 00:36:58 <Zuu> Apparently, I have used the wrong window_number to close it in chapter 1.1, but that shouldn't make it close as a zomibe that wakes up in 1.2 :-) 00:38:42 <Zuu> by using the correct window_number it now don't show up again :-) 00:40:39 *** brendan10211 [~brendan10@cpe-069-134-169-113.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:48:24 *** Snail_ [~jacopocol@CPE78cd8e5ccf20-CM78cd8e5ccf1d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 00:53:42 *** Markavian` [~Markavian@188-222-85-41.zone13.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 00:56:39 *** Mark is now known as Guest24556 00:56:40 *** [1]Mark is now known as Mark 01:00:47 *** Markavian [~Markavian@188-222-85-41.zone13.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:10:12 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d161-184-227-133.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 01:10:27 * Rhamphoryncus activates lurk mode 01:12:37 <Eddi|zuHause> i guess that failed, then. 01:14:35 <Rhamphoryncus> Well now, obviously :P 01:15:22 <planetmaker> and again :-P :-) 01:15:52 <Rhamphoryncus> Yup. Seems useless to even try now. Might as well give up and talk 01:16:22 <Rhamphoryncus> So.. haven't been here since early 2010. Something made me want to play again >.> 01:16:42 <planetmaker> best time to talk is EU evening. Usually ;-) And some addiction just stick 01:17:44 <Rhamphoryncus> I soon rediscovered how frustrating timetabling is. So I'm trying to fix it. Again. Like the last time I played. 01:18:16 <Eddi|zuHause> tried the 24h clock mod? 01:18:56 <Rhamphoryncus> nope. I did read up on one but it didn't seem like what I was looking for. It looked like more of an interface tweak than a fundamental fix 01:19:24 <Eddi|zuHause> what kind of fundamental change are you looking for? 01:19:56 <Rhamphoryncus> Make train, set route, clone 30 more trains, hit button to turn on, walk away. 01:20:16 <Eddi|zuHause> ah, you'll be searching for autoseparation then 01:21:14 <Rhamphoryncus> I'm not opposed to an interface that gives you manual control of the intervals. It just needs to be a sane interface on the route, not individual trains 01:21:50 <Zuu> Do you use shared orders? 01:22:10 <Rhamphoryncus> Once I tripped across them on the wiki, yes 01:25:20 <Rhamphoryncus> Last time I made a patch that mostly worked, but it was a giant bodge. This time I'm trying to make a good patch 01:26:08 *** vodka [~paper@154.Red-83-43-125.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:33:29 *** DDR [~chatzilla@142.179.78.88] has joined #openttd 01:35:09 <Eddi|zuHause> be sure you include options for both people who want to "fire and forget", and people who want to tweak every little detail (like round-trip time, buffer time at end stations, synchronization with other timetables, ...) 01:35:50 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 01:36:08 <Rhamphoryncus> yeah 01:37:17 <Eddi|zuHause> and try out this patch: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=54332 01:37:18 <Rhamphoryncus> That all goes in to setting the schedule. Once it's figured out is the hard part: gracefully compensating when your vehicles don't stick to it. 01:38:29 <Eddi|zuHause> one thing i had trouble with all previous timetabling patches: if roadvehicle A is stuck behind roadvehicle B of the same route and can't overtake, then it should switch out the timetabling between the two 01:39:53 <Rhamphoryncus> Huh, that one looks decent 01:40:06 <Rhamphoryncus> Yeah, that's key in my mind 01:40:37 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:48:58 <Eddi|zuHause> "Washington DC will be one of the first regions suffering from rising ocean" 01:50:12 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [] 01:52:55 <Eddi|zuHause> "if the local sea level were to rise by just 0.1 meter, or about 4 inches, by 2043, nearly 68,000 people would be affected, and property damage would total upwards of billion - without including damage to military bases and government property." 01:55:48 <Elukka> i bet some significant 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morning 10:56:57 *** KouDy [~KouDy@221.133.45.194] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:03:47 <planetmaker> moin 11:06:17 *** KouDy [~KouDy@221.133.45.194] has joined #openttd 11:07:30 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-153-135.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 11:09:40 *** KouDy [~KouDy@221.133.45.194] has quit [] 11:13:51 *** kleinerdrache [~mn@178-190-168-215.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 11:26:50 *** Markavian [~Markavian@188-222-85-41.zone13.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:27:00 <appe> jesus 11:27:25 *** Markavian [~Markavian@188-222-85-41.zone13.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:27:25 <appe> the ex foreign minister of sweden refered to the us as "a future subject for north koreans" 11:27:34 <appe> the worst thing is that it's true.. 11:41:45 <appe> the irony, playing openttd whilst on the db regio head office. 11:47:19 <__ln__> you? 11:48:20 *** Westie [~westie@icarus.typefish.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:48:22 *** fonsinchen 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9.0.1/20111221202647]] 12:53:24 <Rhamphoryncus> 1900 is quite painful 12:54:08 <andythenorth> ? 12:54:39 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-77-203.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 12:55:38 <Rhamphoryncus> Look at the horses go :P 12:58:14 <planetmaker> <Rhamphoryncus> [13:03:27] 1900 is quite painful <-- that's why we live in 2012 ;-) 12:59:05 <Rhamphoryncus> Yeah, but I don't think we'll get a hoverbus in 2030 13:00:06 <andythenorth> Rhamphoryncus: try something else beginning with H 13:00:44 *** ARyan [~A.Ryan@cpc3-mapp11-2-0-cust28.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 13:00:50 <Rhamphoryncus> .. can't figure out what you mean 13:01:01 <ARyan> hello 13:02:33 *** lollercaust [~paper@154.Red-83-43-125.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 13:03:03 <planetmaker> Rhamphoryncus, it was a shameless plug by andythenorth. He means HEQS 13:03:13 <planetmaker> Shameless or not, it'd be my recommendation, too 13:03:15 * andythenorth is shameless marketeer 13:03:29 <andythenorth> but also I sat watching horses go slowly, and decided to fix it :P 13:04:46 <Rhamphoryncus> Hmm, I remember using that when I last played several years ago 13:05:02 <planetmaker> several years ago? HEQS? 13:05:08 <planetmaker> Seems to not quite fit 13:05:11 <andythenorth> HEQS is ~2 years old 13:05:50 <planetmaker> (for me several >> 2, but at least >2) 13:06:57 <andythenorth> one, many :P 13:06:58 <Rhamphoryncus> Okay, I last played a little under two years ago, but I had played more before that. HEQS was probably towards the end 13:07:48 *** lollercaust [~paper@154.Red-83-43-125.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:08:01 <andythenorth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=981914#p981914 13:08:42 <andythenorth> orudge: is there a phpBB switch for 'permalink to this post' ? 13:09:07 <planetmaker> that's what you posted 13:09:07 <andythenorth> if so, could I request it be turned on? :) 13:09:46 <andythenorth> I get that by clicking 'pm' then copying the post ID from the textarea 13:09:51 <planetmaker> the link you get for the small icon in the upper right remains the same 13:09:52 <Rhamphoryncus> How well does it balance with generic tram set and eGRVTS? 13:10:20 <planetmaker> the icon left of Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 5:01 pm 13:10:27 <planetmaker> try that, andythenorth 13:10:41 <andythenorth> ah hah 13:10:45 <andythenorth> that is the permalink 13:11:01 <Rhamphoryncus> and the comment on the first page about not being a really big mining truck makes me want a really big mining truck. It'd need a new track type, representing the special dirt roads. :D 13:11:18 <planetmaker> 'copy link location' from the context menu gives you it, yes 13:11:21 <andythenorth> planetmaker: thankss :) 13:11:25 <planetmaker> welcome 13:11:33 <planetmaker> I use it often enough :-) 13:11:56 <planetmaker> or click on the title of the _posting_ (not thread) and then copy the browser URL 13:12:00 <andythenorth> I've been doing it the hard way :P 13:12:19 <andythenorth> I only make internets for a job :P 13:12:45 <Rhamphoryncus> browsing the source to find the anchor? 13:13:08 <andythenorth> just assumed it was turned off :P 13:13:14 <andythenorth> assumptions assumptions assumptions 13:13:21 * andythenorth back to work, making internets 13:13:51 * Rhamphoryncus gives andythenorth some tubes 13:18:06 *** ARyan [~A.Ryan@cpc3-mapp11-2-0-cust28.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 13:18:46 *** lollercaust [~paper@154.Red-83-43-125.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 13:24:53 <xiong> Okay, now cargodist is coming clear. The critical points are related to the structure of the network, not to vehicles per se. 13:25:37 <xiong> At least with pax, which is all I've tried; perhaps mail as well since that's symmetric traffic, too: 13:27:38 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:28:10 <xiong> A) Do not run "circulators". In vanilla I was in the habit of establishing 4 bus stops equally spaced about a town center and running a local circulating service. This might seem to work well with cargodist as a feeder service but pax end up making time-consuming stops where they don't want to go. 13:28:37 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 13:28:40 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:31:18 <xiong> B) Initially weight capacity toward the "middle" of the graph, which should now resemble a tree. I made the mistake of running good service between two towns, then between two others; finally connecting -- weakly -- one from each pair. It's no surprise that a great deal of pax wanted to travel over the weak link. 13:31:31 <Rhamphoryncus> xiong: How do you mean? People get off and on again at every stop? 13:32:46 <xiong> Rhamphoryncus, are you asking in reference to A or B? 13:32:55 <Rhamphoryncus> A 13:33:38 <xiong> Yes, I thought so but wasn't sure. No, the problem is exactly that pax do *not* load/unload at each circulator stop, as they do in vanilla. 13:34:17 <xiong> Rather, they wait patiently until the bus moves on to their desired stop. The stop time is wasted, the pax are that much later getting where they're going. 13:34:36 <planetmaker> Rhamphoryncus, mind, if you don't play patched OpenTTD, with cargodist, it's irrelevant ;-) 13:35:05 <Rhamphoryncus> Ahh, so even if nobody is embarking/disembarking it still does a full stop? 13:35:16 <Rhamphoryncus> planetmaker: I *am* playing with cargodist :) 13:35:17 <xiong> In the case of a route that goes clockwise around town center 1-2-3-4, worst case has pax boarding at 1 who want to go to 4; the travel is 3 times the distance paid. 13:35:47 <michi_cc> xiong: You know, that is the whole point of all cargod?st implementation. 13:35:54 <xiong> Rhamphoryncus, that seems to be my experience. Same for you? 13:36:10 <xiong> michi_cc, Yes, it's obvious, now. 13:36:24 <Rhamphoryncus> xiong: ahh, yeah. That encourages you to have better routes :) 13:37:04 <xiong> I'm playing with chillpack and I'm also using automated timetabling; so vehicles like to waste a day or two at a stop in any case. 13:37:21 <Rhamphoryncus> I might do a 3-point triangle, but any more I'd rather have bidirectional lines that cross at a common hub 13:37:59 <planetmaker> Try cargodist with one (or a few) major hubs. And regional networks attached there 13:38:05 <planetmaker> Makes for interesting building 13:38:07 <xiong> Thank you, Rhamphoryncus; that's my thinking. I'm not even too sure about triangle routes; if the triangle is equilateral, worst-case travel distance is twice what you get paid for. 13:38:25 <planetmaker> While keeping it managable at the same time 13:38:54 <Rhamphoryncus> I'd consider having two routes going at opposite directions 13:38:55 <xiong> Yes, planetmaker: hub and spoke, smaller hubs and spokes. No circulators. 13:39:13 <planetmaker> well. Depends ;-) 13:39:35 <planetmaker> An olympic ring network certainly would work :-) 13:39:38 <Rhamphoryncus> I'm not sure how well it balances between directions when your circulator has both clockwise and counterclockwise 13:39:41 <planetmaker> with hubs where they cross 13:40:01 <xiong> Rhamphoryncus, Tried that. Ran local service with two sets of vehicles, one clockwise, one counter-clockwise. Fail. Pax still board the next vehicle that seems to have a decent shot of taking them to their dest. 13:40:48 <Rhamphoryncus> xiong: ergh. It may only weight for saturation, not efficiency x_x 13:40:51 <xiong> I'm going to shut this game down now since I've learned important lessons and try strictly out-and-back service next time. 13:41:32 <xiong> I'll give ships another go. I'm not yet convinced they're broken in cargodist, not yet; although the plausible explanation was offered. 13:41:49 * Rhamphoryncus likes truck loading bays so much he puts a truck loading bay in his truck loading bay. Then clicks again, paying a *third* time. 13:41:51 <xiong> I think you're exactly correct, Rhamphoryncus. 13:44:21 *** lollercaust [~paper@154.Red-83-43-125.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:52:03 *** Elukka [Elukka@78-27-90-104.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:58:32 <Rhamphoryncus> Got a coal line that's about 15 long.. got 30 carriages on it, trying to keep up 14:00:23 <planetmaker> 15 tiles? That's short 14:00:35 <planetmaker> Sounds like work for RV typically 14:00:36 <xiong> Oh yeah, forgot: I also notice that the link graph calculates the location of a disjoint station at what appears to be the barycenter, not the first "sign" tile. I suspect the payout is so calculated, too. 14:00:41 <planetmaker> or for HEQS trams rather 14:01:09 <xiong> Rhamphoryncus, yah, your omission of units makes that statement look weird. 14:01:32 <Rhamphoryncus> 15 tiles, 30 horse-draw carriages 14:01:40 <xiong> Ah. 14:02:14 <xiong> I too am a horse man. I start in 1850. What kind of world has no transportation at all in 1950?? 14:02:22 <Rhamphoryncus> heh 14:03:47 <Elukka> what kind of world has no public roads between cities? 14:04:05 <Rhamphoryncus> what kind of world only has one type of road? 14:04:31 <Elukka> would it be possible to make an AI that had a practically infinite amount of money, built a road network and then more or less shut down? 14:06:14 <Rhamphoryncus> Pity one-way roads just make it into a single-lane one-way 14:07:50 <Rhamphoryncus> aaaand I have a backlog a little over halfway around this route 14:10:50 <planetmaker> Elukka, that's called game script 14:10:54 <planetmaker> answer is thus: yes 14:11:15 <Elukka> hm. that'd be a cool thing 14:11:21 <planetmaker> practically that exists as real AI already, though. It will just bancrupt, but roads will remain 14:11:32 <planetmaker> and a new such AI will emerge. Works also 14:19:38 *** Snail_ [~jacopocol@CPE78cd8e5ccf20-CM78cd8e5ccf1d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 14:24:42 <Rhamphoryncus> Ahh, seems to have solved it. Double-road, balanced, and make the roro truck stops 2 long so that queueing actually works. 14:27:04 *** lollercaust [~paper@154.Red-83-43-125.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 14:28:33 <Rhamphoryncus> xiong: hrm, cargodist is *supposed* to handle cycles. I don't suppose you were using a single route to go all the way around, rather than a series of individual routes? 14:29:14 <Rhamphoryncus> It might be failing because the pax have a series of hops they want and your train does them all 14:33:22 <Elukka> my first thought on your nick was 'but it's spelled rhamphorhynchus!' and i have no idea how the hell i remember how to spell something like that 14:33:45 <Rhamphoryncus> lol. Have you been here for years? I used to come here 2 years ago 14:34:07 <Rhamphoryncus> And you're right, it is spelled rhamphorhynchus. Mine's an archaic spelling. From a kid's dinosaur book many years ago. 14:34:15 <xiong> Elukka, that would actually be fairly realistic -- not quite but nearly -- in some parts of the world just a century ago. Even as recently as 1919, the future General and President Eisenhower found it well-nigh impossible to drive the US coast-to-coast. 14:34:52 <Elukka> nah i've only come here fairly recently 14:35:16 <Rhamphoryncus> xiong: we need multiple grades of roads, with very crude dirt ones that get upgraded and upgraded 14:35:25 <xiong> Rhamphoryncus, I was running, as was my vanilla habit, four horse carriage "buses" clockwise around four road stops. And as I said, adding CCW didn't seem to help much. 14:35:42 <xiong> Ah, now you're thinking SimCity. 14:35:55 <Rhamphoryncus> xiong: try splitting into 4 routes 14:36:00 <planetmaker> that's called road types 14:36:14 <xiong> Dirt roads, two-laners, expressways, superhighways. 14:36:21 <michi_cc> Try YACD instead :p 14:36:38 <planetmaker> :-) 14:37:07 * planetmaker misses the one, two FIRS yacd games. Were loads of fun :-) 14:37:26 <xiong> I'd be happier if I didn't get so many wacky towns centered on tiny islands... with enormously long bridges, with two houses on the far end. 14:38:08 <xiong> But then, Rhamphoryncus, we have to ask about rail classes. 14:38:35 <planetmaker> you have them, xiong 14:38:35 <Rhamphoryncus> heh 14:38:41 <planetmaker> just use an appropriate newgrf 14:39:15 <Rhamphoryncus> Those bridges wouldn't look so silly if there was a dirt road network attached to it 14:39:21 <xiong> Narrow gauge? Welded? Washed-out ballast? Concrete tie? 14:39:27 <planetmaker> you actually even have them by default. called raill, el. rail, monorail and maglev ;-) 14:39:38 <planetmaker> xiong, exactly. Just grab it 14:40:09 <xiong> Fact is, if you want a certain level of detail, you need to go to the hobby store and tell the man what you want. Then you start annoying everyone else in your life. 14:42:12 <xiong> It's been suggested to me that since I moved into a one-bedroom apt; and since I live alone (nobody to annoy much) and use the bedroom only for storage; I *might* just start slapping plaster on plywood. 14:42:18 <Rhamphoryncus> aww, gotta stop playing so I can get other things done 14:42:26 * Rhamphoryncus activates lurk mode! 14:45:11 *** Snail_ [~jacopocol@CPE78cd8e5ccf20-CM78cd8e5ccf1d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: Snail_] 14:47:41 *** Markavian [~Markavian@188-222-85-41.zone13.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:47:56 *** Markavian [~Markavian@188-222-85-41.zone13.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:48:08 *** lollercaust [~paper@154.Red-83-43-125.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:48:10 *** Markavian [~Markavian@188-222-85-41.zone13.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:48:36 *** Markavian [~Markavian@188-222-85-41.zone13.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:48:51 *** Markavian [~Markavian@188-222-85-41.zone13.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:32:17 *** lollercaust [~paper@154.Red-83-43-125.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 15:35:16 <Belugas> hello 15:36:49 * Belugas is sad today. Megaupload death is a very bad news. 15:37:13 <Belugas> i'll have to dig new sites for my entertainment now :( 15:40:35 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:43:41 *** KouDy [~KouDy@115.133.12.96] has joined #openttd 15:44:41 <TrueBrain> one of the gazillion others? :P 15:49:36 *** Westie [~westie@icarus.typefish.co.uk] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 15:52:17 *** Westie [~westie@icarus.typefish.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:00:23 <Belugas> I'm new to it! 16:21:03 *** KouDy [~KouDy@115.133.12.96] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:36:42 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:39:46 *** lollercaust [~paper@154.Red-83-43-125.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:42:25 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e06d2be.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 16:43:51 *** Twofish [~Twofish@box80-64-205-146.static.sdsl.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:47:17 *** lollercaust [~paper@154.Red-83-43-125.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 16:56:05 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:59:55 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@dsl-149-87-36.hive.is] has joined #openttd 17:02:59 *** Stimrol_ [~Stimrol@dsl-149-87-36.hive.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:05:33 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 17:09:44 *** kleinerdrache [~mn@178-190-168-215.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:18:32 *** kleinerdrache [~mn@178-190-176-218.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 17:29:01 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:34:22 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 17:35:57 *** iconiK [~iconiK@79.117.182.179] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:56:17 *** Knogle [knogle@1604ds5-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:57:06 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.26.172] has joined #openttd 18:09:46 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-prvbrasgw1-fe05dc00-37.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:10:22 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:44:46 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@193.52.24.37] has joined #openttd 18:45:49 *** Knogle_ [knogle@1604ds5-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 18:45:55 *** Knogle_ is now known as Knogle 18:48:53 *** MJP [~TdlQ@hq.z77.fr] has joined #openttd 18:54:09 *** vircuser [~Kritik@249.Red-213-97-101.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 18:54:22 *** vircuser is now known as Guest24629 18:54:23 <Guest24629> hola, alguien habla español? 18:54:33 <Guest24629> hello, someone spack spanish? 18:54:53 <__ln__> algunos 18:55:03 <Guest24629> hola, me puedes resolver una duda del juego? 18:55:19 <Guest24629> los botones para crear estaciones y almacenes de autobuses me vienen desactivados 18:56:02 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:458b:2f68:b717:4a36] has joined #openttd 18:56:05 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 18:56:29 <Guest24629> del transport tycoon me refiero 18:56:41 <__ln__> hmm... no sé. ¿cúal año es? 18:57:42 <Guest24629> pero este no es el canal? 18:57:51 <Guest24629> el del juego? 18:58:28 <__ln__> es el canal del OpenTTD 19:00:05 *** Guest24629 [~Kritik@249.Red-213-97-101.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby] 19:08:45 *** TomyLobo [~foo@p4FC22E97.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:09:05 * TrueBrain wonders how __ln__ would react if I now kick him for not speaking english :D Or is that too hard? :P 19:10:51 <__ln__> i'm still the biggest advocate of the 'english only' rule, i only disobey it when i speak another language myself 19:14:07 <Xaroth> kick it kick it :P 19:14:15 <Xaroth> and by it i mean NOT me. 19:14:17 * Xaroth eyes TrueBrain 19:15:17 *** TheMask96 [~martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:15:25 <TrueBrain> I guess I am in a good mood 19:15:32 <TrueBrain> else Xaroth would have been kicked by now 19:15:34 <TrueBrain> sometimes I surprise myself 19:15:44 <Xaroth> sometimes you surprise even me... 19:18:20 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host101-141-dynamic.31-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:19:06 <Wolf01> evenink 19:19:49 <__ln__> buon vada-a-bordo 19:20:01 <__ln__> english only 19:20:02 <andythenorth> :m 19:20:07 *** TheMask96 [~martijn@sirius.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 19:23:16 <Belugas> i vote for not kicking, since it was actually helping someone new around :) 19:23:44 <TrueBrain> Belugas: that is the problem; can you be sure? 19:24:06 <Belugas> well... i know enough of spanish to understand what has been told :) 19:24:11 <TrueBrain> :D :) 19:25:26 <Prof_Frink> Something about canals. 19:26:23 <Eddi|zuHause> i think it was whether this is a control channel for botnets 19:26:26 <Belugas> he was wondering why the buttons to create stations were inactive :) 19:26:48 <__ln__> and i said i don't know and asked what year it is 19:27:21 <Belugas> and then, what game been used. looked like it was ttd, and not openttd, since he left afterward 19:27:21 <Eddi|zuHause> and he asked whether he was old enough to know about such stuff 19:27:40 <Belugas> aaahh... debug session started 19:27:42 <Belugas> see you 19:31:05 <Eddi|zuHause> i have a feeling the default network timeouts are a tad too low 19:31:08 * andythenorth is having fun times with missing data 19:31:15 <andythenorth> this is not generally a good thing 19:31:24 <andythenorth> nor specifically a good thing 19:31:44 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: can you retrace your steps where you did put the data last? 19:31:57 <andythenorth> customer data 19:32:01 <andythenorth> important customer data 19:32:10 <andythenorth> :| 19:32:22 * andythenorth back to work 19:35:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r23825 /trunk/src/lang/ (belarusian.txt german.txt russian.txt welsh.txt): 19:35:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 19:35:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belarusian - 2 changes by KorneySan 19:35:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: german - 49 changes by planetmaker 19:35:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: russian - 2 changes by Lone_Wolf 19:35:26 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: welsh - 17 changes by kazzie 19:37:16 *** TomyLobo2 [~foo@p4FC22E97.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:43:42 *** TomyLobo [~foo@p4FC22E97.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:43:42 *** TomyLobo2 is now known as TomyLobo 19:45:13 <Terkhen> hello 19:51:50 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:54:56 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:58:01 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:59:12 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f732a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 20:02:50 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 20:02:53 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 20:06:09 *** Westie [~westie@icarus.typefish.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:09:17 *** pjpe [ade6a119@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 20:11:27 *** Westie [~westie@icarus.typefish.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:15:30 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 20:17:15 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:17:57 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 20:20:42 *** itp [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:29:53 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-104-87.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:30:15 <andythenorth> hi Terkhen 20:47:20 *** lollercaust [~paper@154.Red-83-43-125.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:50:22 *** iconiK [~iconiK@79.117.182.179] has joined #openttd 21:04:36 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 21:07:28 *** perk11 [~perk11@188.32.29.223] has joined #openttd 21:08:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r23826 /trunk/src/ (9 files in 4 dirs): -Fix [FS#4972]: the detailed performance rating window showed the cargo count of the current quarter instead of the last quarter like the tooltip says 21:15:25 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into] 21:28:40 *** JVassie_ [~James@2.25.210.240] has joined #openttd 21:40:20 *** kleinerdrache [~mn@178-190-176-218.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 21:40:56 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6D81F.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 21:44:49 *** mode/#openttd [+v Alberth] by ChanServ 21:44:49 *** mode/#openttd [+v Rubidium] by ChanServ 21:44:49 *** mode/#openttd [+v orudge] by ChanServ 21:44:52 *** mode/#openttd [+v Belugas] by ChanServ 21:52:25 <frosch123> web hosting is a silly business... 21:53:51 <frosch123> the more detailed and serious the providers appear, the cheaper they become 21:54:28 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:458b:2f68:b717:4a36] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:54:53 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:445a:d1a0:c2da:81e0] has joined #openttd 21:54:56 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 21:55:18 <Rubidium> benefits of scale I'd guess 22:00:40 <andythenorth> frosch123: you are overlooking rackspace clearly :p 22:00:58 <andythenorth> Alberth: sanity in the newgrf industry spec? have you been smoking crack today? :) 22:01:32 <frosch123> it is definitely one of the more sane ones :p 22:02:47 <Eddi|zuHause> "better than the station specs"? :p 22:04:24 <frosch123> imo stations < vehicles < cargos < houses < industries 22:04:38 <frosch123> no idea where to put townnames, rails and objects though :p 22:04:38 <Alberth> frosch123: locally deciding based on static data how the industries in the world should evolve without the openttd program being able to intervene or even give hints 22:04:56 <Alberth> townnames are juts eye-candy :p 22:05:05 <Alberth> *just 22:05:15 <frosch123> oh, signals < stations < ... 22:05:45 <andythenorth> vehicles < industries ? 22:05:47 <andythenorth> nope 22:06:16 <frosch123> so you succeded in refittable articulated vehicles? :p 22:06:29 <Eddi|zuHause> depends on what you define as "sane" 22:06:45 <andythenorth> my articulated vehicles are refittable after much studying of failures :P 22:06:54 <frosch123> vehicles have the most arcane, deprecated, conflicting... etc things 22:06:58 <andythenorth> and provision of buy menu magic 22:07:15 <andythenorth> and ensuring lead vehicle is refittable or not depending on your flavour of madness 22:07:20 <Eddi|zuHause> buy menu magic is probably the most problematic 22:07:36 <andythenorth> vehicles have a sane spec in terms of affordances to authors 22:07:42 <andythenorth> but an insane implementation 22:07:51 <andythenorth> industries have the wrong set of affordances 22:08:02 <andythenorth> and the implementation is relatively sane 22:08:10 <andythenorth> you can do all the wrong things quite easily 22:09:39 <andythenorth> maybe industries should get their own script space 22:09:53 <andythenorth> cos adding yet more stuff definitely won't make everything worse :P 22:10:31 <Eddi|zuHause> "embedded newgrf script" 22:10:50 <Eddi|zuHause> that's gonna make things... interesting :p 22:11:04 <andythenorth> opening and closing are the worst 22:11:22 <andythenorth> having to deal with industry spacing yourself is ok, but seems a bit baroque 22:11:38 <andythenorth> everything else is kind of ok as far as I recall 22:15:02 <andythenorth> no it's not 22:15:04 <andythenorth> spawning 22:15:24 <andythenorth> why make the newgrf deal solely with that? 22:16:28 *** itp [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 22:17:03 *** APTX [APTX@89-78-217-144.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:17:58 <Alberth> #input/output cargos could be a bit more flexible imho 22:18:23 <frosch123> yeah, but scripts cannot deal with such stuff :p 22:20:59 <Alberth> hmm, are OpenGFX+farms supposed to produce wheat/livestock in the snow (arctic)? 22:21:01 <frosch123> hmm, otoh, maybe 22:21:37 <frosch123> opengfx+industries seem to try to produce any cargo available to any climate 22:22:39 <planetmaker> it can do that. 22:22:58 <planetmaker> by default it doesn't change the industries. It modifies cargos, though 22:23:12 <frosch123> true, it is coded in nml, so it is supposed to have tons of parameters :) 22:23:50 <andythenorth> changing input/output stores you up a lot of insanity 22:24:24 <planetmaker> lol, frosch123. But... might be true 22:25:32 <Alberth> frosch123: I know, I translated the strings, however I have not yet set any of them :p 22:26:04 <planetmaker> Alberth: wheat/livestock might be default. It doesn't treat farms differently for climates. 22:26:11 <planetmaker> But it allows you to select the cargo ;-) 22:26:53 <frosch123> opengfx+industries is like manual industries, but more sane :p 22:26:58 <planetmaker> but it might be a different cargo name there. But... that's of no effect 22:28:02 <frosch123> so, what now 22:28:17 *** Knogle [knogle@1604ds5-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [] 22:28:18 <Alberth> I was actually asking about production being non-zero while the farm is buried in the snow 22:28:24 <frosch123> for some reason i did not have dinner yet, even though i am hungry 22:28:51 *** lollercaust [~paper@174.Red-83-34-192.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 22:28:51 <andythenorth> Alberth: making production 0 in winter sucks for gameplay 22:28:53 * frosch123 expores the kitchen 22:29:02 <andythenorth> you don't see the store sheds? :o 22:29:32 <Alberth> andythenorth: good point 22:29:52 <andythenorth> lots of 'train is losing money' messages also 22:29:54 <andythenorth> probably 22:29:59 <andythenorth> and 'train stuck' 22:30:08 <andythenorth> and probably epic traffic jams, depending on your play style 22:30:11 * Alberth almost never has those messages 22:31:26 <andythenorth> your farms don't stop in winter ;) 22:31:40 <Xaroth> slippery rail 22:31:47 <Xaroth> trains take 4x as long to accelerate 22:31:59 <Xaroth> or at least down here they apparently do... 22:34:19 *** DDR [~chatzilla@142.179.78.88] has joined #openttd 22:35:12 <Elukka> farms stopping during winter would only make sense gameplay wise if your vehicles automatically understood it and stopped working for the period 22:35:37 <Eddi|zuHause> make a "summer timetable" and a "winter timetable" 22:36:10 <andythenorth> might make much more sense with auto-refit than it used to 22:36:21 <Eddi|zuHause> but really, the timetable system is incapable of automatically handling such temporal changes 22:36:23 <andythenorth> when is beet season? :P 22:36:26 <Elukka> sounds like too much effort 22:36:31 *** JVassie_ [~James@2.25.210.240] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:36:45 <Alberth> I could perhaps if I understood how time tables worked :p 22:36:58 <andythenorth> auto-refit orders by month 22:37:01 <andythenorth> oct: sugar beet 22:37:04 <andythenorth> august: wheat 22:37:11 <Eddi|zuHause> same why a passenger peak ("rush hour") is not sanely handleable 22:43:18 *** APTX [APTX@89-78-217-144.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 22:44:09 *** lollercaust [~paper@174.Red-83-34-192.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:45:46 *** Nat_ [83bf2240@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 22:46:13 <Nat_> how does the cargodest patch work? do I just copy all the files over my install or what? 22:46:38 <planetmaker> you just unzip it into a separate dir. It comes with everything it needs 22:48:03 <Nat_> I get a bunch of bugs when I do that. 22:48:51 <Belugas> haaa.. pleasure of a starting weekend! 22:48:53 <Belugas> see ayou all! 22:49:05 <Nat_> ini: invalid value 'SHOW_TOWN_NAMES|SHOW.... longer 22:49:25 <Nat_> then ini: ignoring invalid NewGRF .... longer 22:49:39 <Nat_> then the same error a few more times with my other newgrifs 22:49:48 <Alberth> Bye Belugas 22:49:58 <Eddi|zuHause> it's probably because your .cfg is from a newer version 22:50:00 <Nat_> and lastly Error! Cannot open file 'sample.cat' 22:50:03 <Nat_> oh 22:50:07 <Eddi|zuHause> cargodest is really old 22:50:09 <Nat_> is this only compatible with older ones? 22:50:09 *** lollercaust [~paper@174.Red-83-34-192.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 22:50:14 <Nat_> :c 22:50:19 <Nat_> why is it not better supported? 22:50:38 <Nat_> do people really prefer the shitty classic cargo system? 22:50:40 <planetmaker> oh... cargodEst? 22:50:46 <planetmaker> or cargodIst? 22:50:51 <Nat_> cargodest 22:51:00 <Nat_> the one that makes cargo have specific destinations 22:51:02 <Nat_> like in simutrans 22:51:38 <Nat_> http://wiki.openttd.org/Passenger_and_cargo_destinations 22:51:47 <Nat_> http://www.openttd.org/en/download-cargodest 22:52:03 <Eddi|zuHause> anybody fluent in xml-processing? 22:52:09 <planetmaker> that's of antique value only 22:52:27 <planetmaker> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/cargodist/ <-- use that, Nat_ 22:52:28 <Nat_> what's the last version it's compatible with? 22:52:51 <Eddi|zuHause> it's not "compatible with" anything, it's a standalone version 22:53:21 <Nat_> which do I download, this is a whole dir 22:53:35 <planetmaker> the newest 22:53:54 <Elukka> surely a patch is compatible with some particular revision? 22:53:59 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, need something quick that does: "for each <Text> node: if contains <English> node, and not contains <German> node, copy <English>-content into <German>-content" 22:54:11 <Elukka> wait are those binaries 22:54:48 <Nat_> oh wow it even downloads the graphics 22:54:50 <Nat_> Naughty 22:55:07 <Elukka> oh my god they are new binaries 22:55:08 <Elukka> finally 22:55:32 <Elukka> for something like a year there weren't any 22:55:52 <Nat_> if I were to say load an old game, would it work the same? 22:56:01 <Nat_> or would the new system interact with it funny? 22:56:01 <Elukka> it wouldn't load, probably 22:56:14 <Nat_> it loaded 22:56:22 <Elukka> well, dunno then 22:56:23 <planetmaker> Nat_: it's a patched openttd. Don't expect compatibility with other patched versions 22:57:06 <Eddi|zuHause> Nat_: generally don't assume that a patched version loads anything. 22:57:21 <Nat_> what about scenerios? 22:57:28 <Eddi|zuHause> same 22:57:35 <Nat_> :c 22:58:00 <Elukka> that's the reason i haven't made any of the scenarios i've wanted to make 22:58:33 <Elukka> there doesn't seem to be any safe bet with regards to what version they should be made in 22:58:40 <planetmaker> Elukka: you can always create the scenarios in openttd stable and load it in the patch... 22:58:53 <Eddi|zuHause> *almost* always 22:59:01 <planetmaker> :-) 22:59:06 <Nat_> well I opened the scenerio in the edtior in the patched version 22:59:07 <Eddi|zuHause> e.g. chillpp doesn't load 1.1.x savegames 22:59:11 <Nat_> will there be any problems? 22:59:15 <Nat_> it seems to be running 22:59:25 <Eddi|zuHause> Nat_: if it loaded, it will likely not cause problems 22:59:44 <Nat_> I'm just changing a few quirks in this scenrio, it's a small map with one incomplete industry chain that can't ever be complete 22:59:46 <Elukka> if i make a scenario in stable can it be expected to work with stuff like cargodist and future stables? 22:59:52 <Nat_> because the map has no place forests can spawn 23:00:13 <Elukka> i mean, i realize there's no absolute guarantee and openttd might be very different in 10 years, but as a general rule 23:00:18 <Eddi|zuHause> Nat_: but if you save the scenario in cargodist, you will never ever be able to load it anywhere else 23:00:24 <Nat_> okay 23:00:26 <planetmaker> Elukka: in future openttd: yes. future patch: most probable 23:00:30 <Eddi|zuHause> Nat_: not in normal openttd, nor in any future versions of cargodist 23:00:33 <Elukka> alright 23:00:41 <Nat_> that's cool, I could probably re-create it from the origonal if I wanted 23:00:48 <Nat_> it's on the normal list 23:00:55 <Nat_> Skaldi islands or however you spell it 23:00:58 <Nat_> I love how tiny it is. 23:01:09 <Nat_> a nice map where you can connect everything in a few hours. 23:08:03 <planetmaker> g'night 23:13:16 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into] 23:19:36 <frosch123> night 23:19:58 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f732a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:20:59 <Terkhen> good night 23:22:12 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 23:23:53 <Nat_> what if the government in real life was like in TTD 23:24:07 <Nat_> the best way to lobby is to plant trees 23:27:52 <Nat_> what's a good grf for arctic climate? 23:28:00 <Nat_> i like the tropic refurbishment set 23:33:39 <Alberth> swedish rails :) 23:39:05 <Nat_> I downloaded the US one 23:39:12 <Nat_> that's a ton of trains, 23:39:15 <Nat_> why would i need this many 23:39:16 <Nat_> :c 23:39:25 <Nat_> it's almost as bad as the plane list 23:39:31 <Nat_> how will i ever make a desision 23:39:41 <Alberth> that's the main reason I still only play with the default train set :p 23:40:29 <Nat_> Default trains hate tropic and artic 23:40:31 <Alberth> (and the opengfx+ extensions, but they add very little stuff) 23:40:46 <Nat_> which are the coolest maps 23:40:48 *** MJP [~TdlQ@hq.z77.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:40:54 <Alberth> how 'hate'? 23:41:06 <Nat_> less trains 23:41:10 <Nat_> no electric 23:41:21 <Nat_> more like neglect 23:41:44 <Alberth> no electric makes sense, at least in arctic, imho 23:41:54 <Alberth> wires would freeze :p 23:42:21 <Alberth> and those mountains need big engines, and electric is not so powerful 23:42:28 <Nat_> if you really want to be uber realistic, dissalow electric trains above the snow line. 23:42:43 <Alberth> but I am more of a steam/diesel person :p 23:42:55 * Alberth has no desire to be realistic :) 23:42:59 * Nat_ finds uses for both 23:43:03 <Nat_> verriety is cool 23:43:16 <Nat_> but too many options is confusing 23:43:21 <Nat_> especaly when it's all one list 23:43:32 <Nat_> like having a million engines would be fine if I could filter them 23:43:45 <Alberth> you can sort them 23:43:55 <Alberth> and only care about the top-few ones 23:45:53 <Alberth> ok, I am off to bed, good night 23:46:29 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 23:48:28 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BFD1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:55:35 *** Westie [~westie@icarus.typefish.co.uk] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 23:56:27 *** Westie [~westie@icarus.typefish.co.uk] has joined #openttd