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00:07:59 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@bas1-ottawa08-1176111076.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 00:08:01 <drac_boy> hi 00:08:35 * drac_boy wonders if theres any europe or uk specific site for specifications on older freight wagons 00:10:14 <FlyingFoX> hi, what is the ratio at which an oil refinery makes oil to goods? 00:10:21 <FlyingFoX> is it 1to1? 00:12:23 <drac_boy> don't know sorry, just don't forget that station rating also sorta affects the total output a bit too 00:17:14 * drac_boy wonders if anyone else here might know 00:18:18 <ToxicFrog> I don't, sorry 00:18:44 <ToxicFrog> Although I could crowbar it open and check 00:19:49 * ToxicFrog prods Trac. Give me a URL to check out from please 00:22:20 <ToxicFrog> This may take a while. 00:23:47 <glx> http://wiki.openttd.org/SVN#How_can_I_obtain_the_source_code.3F 00:24:01 <ToxicFrog> Yeah, got past that part 00:24:05 <ToxicFrog> Waiting for it to check out now 00:24:48 <glx> I hope you don't forget the trunk part ;) 00:25:45 <ToxicFrog> ? 00:26:06 <glx> svn.openttd.org/trunk <-- this 00:26:19 <glx> else you get everything 00:27:13 <drac_boy> anyone think a doubledeck wagon would had been double the capacity minus one or two less seat rows (since thats where the stairs goes) compared to a standard coach..or is there variety to that? 00:27:28 <ToxicFrog> glx: I'm using git anyways, so 00:27:56 <glx> git has only trunk so it should be ok :) 00:29:22 <ToxicFrog> Seriously? Why? 00:29:49 <ToxicFrog> I assumed it was a git-svn mirror or similar 00:30:05 <glx> it is, but only trunk is synced 00:30:48 <ToxicFrog> Aah 00:31:32 <glx> oh some branches are in git it seems 00:31:52 <glx> but not the tags 00:32:33 <ToxicFrog> Hey, it's done 00:35:03 <ToxicFrog> Ok, table/build_industry.h makes me very sad 00:36:03 <ToxicFrog> At least it's decently commented 00:40:49 <ToxicFrog> FlyingFoX: looks like it's 1:1 00:41:21 <ToxicFrog> The refinery has a multiplier of 256 on incoming cargo amounts, but then in the economy code it takes 256 input units to make one output unit, so it's 1:1 00:44:35 <glx> of course newgrfs can change that ;) 00:49:30 <drac_boy> as long as its not too much 'waste' for no reason. would be too silly if you unloaded 190,000 litres to then find ony 40,000 litres of fuel waiting for you :) 00:49:32 <drac_boy> heh 00:50:32 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-78-45-92-151.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 01:01:37 <drac_boy> hmm.... 01:01:44 * drac_boy throws a lot of gibbish datas into here 01:01:46 <drac_boy> :| 01:03:19 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-98-26.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:09:56 *** Zeknurn` [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 01:14:55 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:14:55 *** Zeknurn` is now known as Zeknurn 01:24:52 *** Arafangion [~Arafangio@220-244-108-23.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:25:05 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-02.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 01:34:07 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.114.235.117.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:34:17 <drac_boy> ok thats enough for tonight now I think...ugh .. a few hours gone :-s 01:34:52 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@bas1-ottawa08-1176111076.dsl.bell.ca] has left #openttd [I'm done being in this room!] 01:44:14 *** perk11 [~perk11@46.242.11.118] has joined #openttd 01:53:39 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:9592:f27c:1e4d:9ee0] has quit [Quit: bye] 01:55:31 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6A85B.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 02:01:15 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6D6E2.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:13:03 *** Snail_ [~jacopocol@CPE78cd8e5ccf20-CM78cd8e5ccf1d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: Snail_] 03:08:36 *** Snail_ [~jacopocol@CPE78cd8e5ccf20-CM78cd8e5ccf1d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 03:22:24 *** Snail_ [~jacopocol@CPE78cd8e5ccf20-CM78cd8e5ccf1d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: Snail_] 03:30:26 <Rhamphoryncus> Hrm, I think I have a broken town. Station near the center that I load from/deliver to/transfer to. 91% rating, 398 of 485 passengers. Appalling rating and town is NOT growing. 03:40:39 *** Snail_ [~jacopocol@CPE78cd8e5ccf20-CM78cd8e5ccf1d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 03:51:07 *** Snail_ [~jacopocol@CPE78cd8e5ccf20-CM78cd8e5ccf1d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: Snail_] 03:55:42 *** Snail_ [~jacopocol@CPE78cd8e5ccf20-CM78cd8e5ccf1d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 04:04:52 *** Snail_ [~jacopocol@CPE78cd8e5ccf20-CM78cd8e5ccf1d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:22:28 *** perk11 [~perk11@46.242.11.118] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 04:25:18 *** brambles [brambles@79.133.200.49] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:26:11 *** brambles [brambles@79.133.200.49] has joined #openttd 04:52:03 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75778.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 04:52:23 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7453C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:57:03 *** Endymion_Mallorn [~pplgoldbl@ool-4579e3ca.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #openttd 04:58:17 <Endymion_Mallorn> Hey, what version of OpenTTD is NUTS Unrealistic Train Set 0.0.4x compatible with 04:58:29 <Endymion_Mallorn> ? (sorry, blasted enter key) 05:11:09 <Rubidium> I'd guess 1.2.0-RC4 05:19:02 <Endymion_Mallorn> Damn and blast. 05:20:03 <Endymion_Mallorn> Because the way I play OpenTTD is PortableApps... and they've only released stables so far. 05:21:05 <Endymion_Mallorn> You know, in upcoming versons, do you think it will be possible for the Content Downloader to be changed so that only GRFs compatible with that version of OTTD were viewable? 05:21:28 <planetmaker> it's feasible since its introduction 05:21:47 <planetmaker> But it's the NewGRF's authors responsibility to set the proper version requirements 05:23:10 <Endymion_Mallorn> Ah. So the issue would then be with the content download service setup - that it allows NewGRFs to be added without logging minimum version requirements. 05:23:23 <planetmaker> no. 05:23:36 * Endymion_Mallorn raises an eyebrow 05:23:39 <planetmaker> The issue is that in this case the author filled out the things wrongly 05:23:51 <planetmaker> probably 05:24:04 <Endymion_Mallorn> Ah, I see. 05:25:30 <Endymion_Mallorn> So find him and beat him with a carp. 05:25:45 <Rubidium> OpenTTD on PortableApps... the place that reads (a part of the) readme for you 05:28:34 * Endymion_Mallorn raises an eyebrow 05:28:43 <Endymion_Mallorn> Define? 05:32:31 <planetmaker> section 4 05:33:27 <planetmaker> in other words: everyone who read the readme can create his or her own "portable app" 05:33:41 <planetmaker> without any knowledge beyond using a copy programme 05:36:49 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e09ee84.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:39:56 <Endymion_Mallorn> This requires I want something that I don't just download and use. 05:41:58 <planetmaker> so you download the "portable app" and it's ready-installed on your USB-device? ;-) 05:42:17 <planetmaker> without running the "installer"? 05:42:39 <Endymion_Mallorn> Well, yeah, there's the portableapps installer, but it does everything for me. 05:43:16 <Endymion_Mallorn> I download the .paf.exe file, double-click, and 10 or so minutes later? Poof, perfectly working program. 05:49:29 <planetmaker> thus it saves you to know that OpenTTD saves all stuff next to the dirs of the openttd.exe if there exists a config file file in the data dir next to the openttd.exe 05:49:42 <planetmaker> thus the "install" does just that: copy openttd to the usb stick 05:50:17 <planetmaker> thus any user who read the readme won't need the "portable app" 05:50:30 <planetmaker> as he has everything at hand. Out of box 05:54:16 <Endymion_Mallorn> I installed 1.1.1 on my machine. Needed to download OpenGFX, OpenSFX, and OpenMSX separately. With the two subsequent PortableApps installs since that, never had to play with that. It came pre-packed. 05:56:02 <Rhamphoryncus> Hrm. It just occurred to me: if cargo aged in the station then you'd have a lot more diversity in trains (ie lots of small ones that leave at regular intervals). Of course this would have to be newgrf-dependant 05:57:51 * Endymion_Mallorn looks at that like a man reading Greek - just barely getting my head around FIRS and "stockpiling". 05:58:26 <Rhamphoryncus> This thought was inspired by the dutch train set's Plan mP. Dinky thing, in reality used for very small mail trains. In openttd, because waiting in the station is free, is easier (and more efficient) to wait much longer to full load a large train 06:34:10 *** Endymion_Mallorn [~pplgoldbl@ool-4579e3ca.dyn.optonline.net] has left #openttd [] 06:45:42 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 06:59:51 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-178-000-005-077.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 07:20:28 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.26.172] has joined #openttd 07:22:33 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-178-000-005-077.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:56:52 *** Maarten [~dutchusa@99-73-209-18.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 07:57:07 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-02.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:59:09 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 08:01:02 *** Maarten_ [~dutchusa@99-73-209-18.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:09:06 *** mal2 [~mal2@port-92-206-90-51.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 08:33:30 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@213-186-253-165.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 08:33:37 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 08:41:36 *** mal2 [~mal2@port-92-206-90-51.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:49:15 <Eddi|zuHause> new modem arrived... my connection might be unreliable in the next few hours 08:50:46 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.95.109] has joined #openttd 08:57:20 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-63-24.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 08:57:23 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 09:02:15 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:03:06 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-145-158.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:08:24 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-13-21.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 09:13:35 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-21-74.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:19:05 <Achilleshiel> is there anyone with experience to the tunnel_bridge 09:40:33 <NGC3982> http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/3777705_700b.jpg 09:54:11 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-43-55.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:55:27 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B72736.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:57:26 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7453C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:58:30 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-14-2.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: for the love of god this is not safe for work] 10:04:16 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-039-193.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 10:13:23 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@bas1-ottawa08-1176111076.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 10:13:25 <drac_boy> hi 10:27:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> anyone have a bright idea how to swap IP-adresses between two devices that both are only accessible via ethernet? 10:27:42 *** kais58 [~kais58@cpc2-cwma8-2-0-cust293.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:27:55 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-153-135.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:28:46 <drac_boy> is it static network or not so much? 10:29:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> interesting... i changed ip-adress of my router, but the connection to the internet stayed :) 10:38:00 <drac_boy> well if its static..just assign some new ip to first device for a moment..and then give one of the two old one to second device, then the first device gets the other old ip 10:38:08 <drac_boy> otherwise I don't know how you could had done it 10:38:41 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:40:08 *** kais58 [~kais58@cpc2-cwma8-2-0-cust293.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 10:40:18 *** APTX [APTX@89-78-217-144.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:40:29 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-43-55.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:49:10 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B74289.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:49:50 *** Eddi|zuHause4 [~johekr@p54B7289A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:50:03 <orudge> planetmaker (belatedly): it did, last time I tried it, but that was a while ago, but grfcodec/nforenum etc won't build, and networking hasn't worked since IPv6 :p 10:51:53 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B72736.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:54:33 *** Fori [4e32f179@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 10:54:37 <Fori> Hi! 10:54:38 <drac_boy> what is this about? 10:54:42 <drac_boy> heh hi fori :) 10:54:57 <drac_boy> not tired anymore fori? 10:55:41 <Fori> Huh ? 10:56:04 <Fori> I never was tired, was I? ^^ 10:56:09 *** APTX [APTX@89-78-217-144.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 10:57:16 <Fori> I come up with a question again... Sorry for having to compare ECS with FIRS but. Is there industry leveling (production increase for primary industries) in FIRS too? 10:57:18 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B74289.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:57:48 <drac_boy> fori sorry must had been the other person I was talking to at same time yesterday 10:58:18 <drac_boy> and I'm not sure but I'm sure someone here would tell you soon fori 10:58:50 <Fori> I mean. It would be pointless if they couldn't increase production, would it? 10:58:54 <Fori> Would be lame at all ^^ 10:59:13 <Fori> I've thought about downloading some IRC client if I come here more often... 10:59:22 <Fori> Tho that webchat is quite comfortable. 10:59:25 *** kkb110_ [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 11:04:54 <drac_boy> fori so what are you doing? playing as usual? :) 11:05:50 <Fori> Sure. 11:05:50 <Fori> ^^ 11:05:55 <Fori> Just testing some new Setup. 11:06:05 <Fori> But I think the trains are too expensive... 11:06:12 <Fori> 400k for an electric train seems a bit much? 11:06:23 <Fori> I'm playing with DBSetXL and BaseCosts on Cabble. 11:07:05 <drac_boy> fori the dbsetxl costs were more or less set 'relastic' so its better to not use basecost modifications on these I recall 11:07:15 <oskari89> No, that's in reality quite little :P 11:07:26 <Fori> Yeah, oskari. 11:07:27 <drac_boy> oskari89 it depends on which currency tho :P 11:07:28 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:07:33 <oskari89> Euros? 11:07:44 <drac_boy> how much euro to DEM? 11:07:55 <oskari89> See google :P 11:07:58 <Fori> And right now, drac, I'm trying to figure out how to enable the station names of "enemies". 11:08:12 <drac_boy> oskari89 I don't think that'll work due to the old 'fixed' multiplier in the game? :) 11:08:25 <oskari89> Hmm. 11:08:31 <drac_boy> fori enemies? heh .. I think its one of these label option in the map menu 11:09:07 <Fori> FINALLY 11:09:09 <Fori> thanks. 11:09:16 <Fori> Was looking over that patch options over and over. 11:09:42 <oskari89> Is there anything like grf for modifiable buying cost multiplier? 11:10:00 <oskari89> Or is it just on the set's, if it is? 11:10:35 <oskari89> Would like to test with locomotives cost over million euros, how business would run in OpenTTD :) 11:10:58 <oskari89> Slowly progressing, i guess.. 11:12:09 <drac_boy> oskari I dunno about euro but even in the 1930s some of the electrics are too costly to buy as your first locomotive at all unless you had a very high loan limit with low interest 11:12:29 <drac_boy> or thats my experience with dbsetxl on default costs 11:13:28 <Fori> Uhm, oskari. 11:13:36 <Fori> I'm using "BaseCostMod" 11:13:41 <Fori> with "BaseCostPresets". 11:13:48 <Fori> And it's simply a lot if you ask me. 11:14:20 <Fori> The 160km/h electric lok is around 400k⬠11:16:22 <drac_boy> about prices, anyone think that the change from friction to roller bearing would be a slight higher purchase price but lower yearly maintenance cost? 11:16:32 <drac_boy> for anything in general, including wagons 11:19:11 <oskari89> I do start companies always the same way, first buses and road traffic, pay out the loan... 11:19:45 <oskari89> Then i build airports far from each other and then i make money. 11:19:54 <oskari89> Then i start building train network :) 11:20:30 <oskari89> But, can aircraft ranges be disabled somehow on av8 2.1? 11:21:08 <Fori> I dunno sorry. 11:21:14 <Fori> I've started using WAS 11:21:31 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.26.172] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 11:22:12 <Fori> I've got another question for you guys.. 11:22:47 <drac_boy> just wondering as thats the second time I've heard of it, do newer plane grfs actually have a limited range they would travel at? 11:22:56 <Fori> What does "accepts xxx (y/z) " mean? 11:23:33 *** Elukka [Elukka@78-27-90-14.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 11:23:47 <Fori> So what do these numbers y and z stand for ? 11:27:41 <drac_boy> if so I'm just wondering if it could be possible to put a station distance limit on certain rail locomotives too 11:32:27 <Fori> Makes sense for steam or fuel 11:32:33 <Fori> But not for electricity, right? 11:33:52 <drac_boy> fori yeah. electrics can travel wherever they want (normally they would had been limited by substations but the game doesn't have that ... steam usually could just run at full pressure till it gets too far and they turn into slow limp 11:34:09 <drac_boy> not too sure how to treat diesels tho 11:34:42 <drac_boy> 'slow limp' as in still moving but the crews probably are trying to salvage any trees into firewood or pail-scooping water from the creeks. actually happened a lot for real 11:35:21 <drac_boy> interesting thing about this tho is that Railroad Tycoon 2 pretty much had the aftermentioned feature. if your steam locomotive runs out of water its top speed drops sharply 11:38:44 <Fori> Yeah. 11:38:49 <Fori> Or they had to "refuel" sand ^^ 11:38:55 <Fori> RT 2 was so awesome :D 11:39:43 <Eddi|zuHause4> seems my new modem works... 11:39:49 *** Eddi|zuHause4 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 11:40:31 <Fori> Anyone has a car set in mind that has some PS power in 1920-1930? 11:41:06 <Eddi|zuHause> now i can finally get a 21st century internet connection! 11:41:30 <Fori> Congratulations! 11:41:37 <Fori> Who even uses modems today? ^^ 11:41:54 <__ln__> probably most people here. 11:42:14 <Fori> Well. 11:42:20 <Fori> Most of use "routers" don't they? 11:42:25 <Fori> Sure, the modem is integrated. 11:42:41 <Fori> But the last time i've seen a real modem without any other features is quite some time away. 11:43:25 <drac_boy> fori heh actually which 'modem' are you thinking of? 11:43:40 <drac_boy> since theres cable modem and dsl modem .. and to confuse things more, how about cell data modems too? 11:43:47 *** k-man [~Jason@ppp167-253-181.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:43:49 * orudge has a modem at his new house 11:43:51 <orudge> an ADSL2+ modem 11:44:09 *** k-man [~Jason@ppp167-253-181.static.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 11:44:10 <orudge> it does routing as well, but it isn't a switch and it isn't a wireless router 11:44:39 <Fori> I got some thing called "integrated access device" ... Everything is plugged there. 11:44:55 <Fori> Computers, WLan(literally NOT plugged), USB printers and the telephone. 11:44:55 <Fori> xD 11:46:10 <Fori> Just curious, are you guys playing with the acceleration models on "original" or "realistic"? 11:46:21 <drac_boy> always realistic for me all the times 11:46:34 <drac_boy> then again I never use the original vehicles anymore 11:47:14 *** Snail_ [~jacopocol@CPE78cd8e5ccf20-CM78cd8e5ccf1d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 11:47:42 <Fori> Well. 11:47:52 <Fori> If I use realistic some weird things happen. 11:48:04 <Fori> Some GRF set with cars gets only accelerated to like 2km/h 11:48:04 <Fori> ^^ 11:50:51 <drac_boy> by cars you mean rv right? 11:54:48 <drac_boy> fori if thats the case, certain grfs do have a bug with accerlation for some vehicles 11:54:56 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:55:08 <drac_boy> especially when the horse trams are reported as 0kN which explains why they barely can move :-/ 11:55:43 <drac_boy> hi flherne had a good sleep? (funny enough I almost mixed up you with fori) 11:56:12 <FLHerne> drac_boy: Yes, thanks 11:56:23 * FLHerne goes off to buy milk 11:56:28 <__ln__> what, there's a *realistic* acceleration mode? was that approved of by Belugas? 11:56:29 <Fori> rv? Drac? 11:56:57 <drac_boy> fori short to Road Vehicles although trams also are lumped into that category for the game too 11:57:04 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: i fear that was implemented before his time :) 11:57:26 <Fori> Yeah. Right. Then I ment an RV set ^^ 11:57:58 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has joined #openttd 11:59:36 <drac_boy> FLHerne when you're back, what kind of milk do you like? 12:03:31 <Fori> Is it a "big" thing to change some newGRF things like the text of something ? 12:03:46 <drac_boy> text? not so much 12:04:09 <drac_boy> and you could even change the error messages too if you wanted 12:04:37 <Fori> Cause it' squite annoying when using DBSetXL and my friend just bough the "BR 05" and is now complaining that there's nothing in the description of that train saying that it's not able to carry some goods waggons. 12:04:59 <drac_boy> fori umm thats because BR05 is an express passenger steam locomotive 12:06:12 <Mazur> Yes, weird, that, Inever knew before that locomotives were particular about the nature of the load behind them. 12:06:22 <drac_boy> try something between class 40 and 56, not sure exactly what was included in dbsetxl again (thinking of too many other things now) 12:06:40 <Fori> I know now drac. 12:07:03 <Fori> But it's still not a good style if you're not leaving the users a message 12:07:08 <Fori> About how it will works. 12:07:17 <drac_boy> and btw fori dbsetxl likely does not have any of them but class 97 through 99 are for rack or NG locomotives 12:07:27 <drac_boy> fori...you need to know the trains...error messages are not for that :) 12:07:38 <Fori> Not everybody is familiar with train history. I checked out the BR 05 @ wiki so now I know it. 12:07:40 <Fori> ^^ 12:08:35 <drac_boy> fori the only one thing I do hate is when I can't use express mail wagons with MU trains for some strange reason tho :-/ 12:08:55 <drac_boy> I mean sure the loco ends can be refitted for mail but its often of weak capacity 12:10:14 <Fori> MU ? 12:10:19 <drac_boy> Multiply Units 12:10:35 <drac_boy> DMU, EMU, etc 12:10:48 <drac_boy> although sometimes the term varies along railroads or countries 12:11:08 <drac_boy> like in usa you would have the Budd RDC instead which is short for Rail Diesel Car but its really still a DMU 12:11:31 <Fori> Interesting. You seem to be into that stuff ^^ 12:11:59 <drac_boy> just some things :p 12:12:10 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:55aa:96c3:e45a:c458] has joined #openttd 12:12:13 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:12:20 <drac_boy> hi glx :) 12:13:22 <drac_boy> fori did you know that the word 'mallet' is actually supposed to mean a locomotive with two seperate set of drivers but one is for high pressure pistons and other for low pressure pistons aka compound 12:13:46 <drac_boy> but of course usa and many other places had to corrupt the term with the simple articulated which uses four equal pistons instead 12:16:06 <Fori> Ah, k. 12:16:23 <Fori> I am curious again. What rate of town growth with FIRS do you consider realistic or fair? 12:17:14 <drac_boy> fori I may be wrong but theres Garrat which basically means a locomotive with two set of drivers but...each drivers are on their own fixed chassis while the boiler and cab are on a third chassis suspended between the aforementioned two 12:17:44 <drac_boy> africa had a good large number of them both small (think 0-4-0+0-4-0) and large (think 4-8-2+2-8-4 or close) 12:18:42 <drac_boy> town growth? fori to be honest I think the growth rate is often too fast in most games :) I always go with a quite slow rate myself 12:19:17 <Fori> Thanks, drac. 12:19:49 <drac_boy> fori you mind if I ramble on more about steam locomotives? :) 12:20:14 <FLHerne> drac_boy: UK had a few Garratts...I wish someone would draw the LMS type for TTD :P 12:20:54 <drac_boy> FLHerne I think the LMS were a bit troubled. they did work the Lickey Incline for a while but were off the list for good not too long afterward 12:21:18 <drac_boy> although I guess some people could like them for in the game tho, providing breakdown was reduced or off 12:21:25 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:21:53 <FLHerne> We took too long to modernise things - the train lengths they were built to pull didn't fit in loops, and sometimes broke the couplings 12:22:29 <drac_boy> FLHerne I'm sounding a bit like Lionel when they produced the S2 steam locomotive :) only one example existed for real but hundreds existed in model form 12:24:56 <Rhamphoryncus> I've started to turn off towns can build roads. Previously I would tend to avoid service in a town because it'd get annoying 12:25:34 <drac_boy> Rhamphoryncus heh I always build the town roads for them myself, keeps the layout more sane especially when going around a rail station 12:25:55 <drac_boy> its easy to do since the towns grow at very slow rate so I only have to check every few years at the most 12:26:31 <Rhamphoryncus> They'd continue to do stupid things, which'd drive me nuts 12:26:44 <drac_boy> like what? 12:27:09 <Rhamphoryncus> hrm. I had it set to 3x3 grid, which probably made it worse 12:27:26 *** goodger [~ben@94-30-43-248.xdsl.murphx.net] has joined #openttd 12:27:39 <Rhamphoryncus> A road at the edge of the ocean. It's part of the grid so it'd always be rebuilt 12:27:55 <drac_boy> FLHerne how about the MK1 coaches? 12:28:15 <FLHerne> What about them? 12:28:23 <drac_boy> like them or not so much/ 12:28:25 <drac_boy> ?* 12:28:56 <FLHerne> They're ok, but not much better than Stanier Type IIIs 12:29:22 <FLHerne> Mk2s were revolutionary, on the other hand, and Mk3s are just awesome 12:29:43 <drac_boy> FLHerne I may be the odd one here but I kind of prefer steel chassis wood body coaches myself 12:30:50 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:30:53 <FLHerne> Teaks certainly look nice...metal-bodies ride better and are safer though :P 12:33:12 <drac_boy> well I'm thinking more about cost and longevity. but then mind you if I was to build new rails it would had not even been standard gauge at all 12:35:05 <drac_boy> FLHerne what kind of climate mechanisms would you had put in your coaches if you were to build them? 12:35:59 <V453000> hi, the stolen trees on bananas are replaced by newtrees or are they 2 separate newgrfs and stolen trees were removed from bananas? I though nothing can be removed from there but it seems like it was 12:37:37 <FLHerne> drac_boy: climate mechanisms? 12:38:13 <FLHerne> I'm not sure if there even is a climate here :P 12:38:49 <drac_boy> I meant as in heat, etc 12:39:00 <drac_boy> didn't know what word to use now sorry heh 12:40:27 <FLHerne> Probably pressure ventilation as on some Mk2s then 12:40:33 *** kkb110_ [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:40:52 <FLHerne> ful aircon seems unnecessary with the weather here 12:41:12 <planetmaker> V453000, they were made unavailable for general download on request of the author. 12:41:16 <drac_boy> flherne heh hm you want know what I would had done to all my coaches regardingly of the order? 12:41:36 <FLHerne> drac_boy: ok# 12:41:42 <planetmaker> You surely saw the drama at tt-forums? 12:43:15 <V453000> oh, then my assumptions were correct 12:43:19 <V453000> yeah I saw that 12:43:31 <V453000> I will stay politically correct and wont comment on that :p 12:43:48 <V453000> thanks for answer anyway ... I didnt think it is possible to make some content unavailable :( 12:44:54 <Fori> Maybe someone is here who can help with FIRS. Will primary industries e.g. Ore mines "level up" like they do in vanilla OpenTTD? Even if they're not supplied? 12:45:00 <dihedral> oi 12:45:11 <Fori> By level up I mean ofc improve production. 12:45:33 <drac_boy> FLHerne two axle-driven generators (one per truck for bogie carriages), small battery pack on one side balanced by the ac system and water tank on other side, a single stall-sized washroom at one end of the coach (with oversized-luggages space opposite to it), rely on train steam heating for economy reason. and provide split windows with small bars on the openable half for safety reason 12:45:48 <Rhamphoryncus> Fori: no, if they need farmsup/engsup then they won't increase without it 12:46:16 <Rhamphoryncus> (note that manufacturing supplies, despite the similarity, are just an ordinary input material. Not needed.) 12:46:18 <Fori> But with they will? 12:46:43 <Fori> Is there some wiki explaining the "level up" mechanisms like there is for ECS? 12:47:12 <Fori> Cause I quite don't like those schemes with rvs loading up small amounts of supplies and stuff. 12:47:27 <Fori> And would like to know if it's possible to make em increase without those supplies. 12:47:40 <Fori> Or at least, without those rv mechanic. 12:48:43 <Rhamphoryncus> Well, there is a patch with firs to expand on farmsup/engsup to be a reasonable amount, and to have a stockpile for several months. Hasn't been accepted yet though. 12:49:14 <andythenorth> some of the RV mechanics smell 12:49:21 <drac_boy> FLHerne one way I see this is that in winter its easy to put on additional coats while waiting for rescue in case of breakdown but..in summers its a different story hence going with the well-known axle>gen>compressor to keep some warm/cold air blowing for a reasonable length of halted time 12:49:24 <FLHerne> drac_boy: Why were you planning coach design in such detail? 12:49:47 <Fori> Is there any way to get it "anyway" Rhmapho? 12:50:12 <drac_boy> FLHerne I don't know, just me :-p I keep thinking about building a real metre railway many times but I doubt I'll ever be able to do it for real (read: stupid insurance rate and overly-safety laws) 12:50:13 *** Snail_ [~jacopocol@CPE78cd8e5ccf20-CM78cd8e5ccf1d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: Snail_] 12:50:14 <Fori> Because those rv ideas are quite a game breaker for me with FIRS ^^ 12:50:32 <Rhamphoryncus> It's on the bugtracker, but you'd have to apply it an recompile FIRS yourself 12:50:34 <drac_boy> flherne that answers you I hope? :-) 12:50:41 <drac_boy> andythenorth how so? 12:50:55 <Fori> Is that... hard? 12:51:10 <andythenorth> I just find the RV reverse-piglets odd 12:51:29 <FLHerne> drac_boy: :o 12:51:32 <Rhamphoryncus> andythenorth: the farmsup/engsup thing? 12:51:37 <andythenorth> yup 12:51:47 <Fori> Rhampho? I mean recomplining firs? 12:52:08 <andythenorth> I designed it so that players would use RVs over medium distances, from a source of supplies, or lots of RVs collecting from a transfer station 12:52:17 <Rhamphoryncus> it's not trivial 12:52:35 <andythenorth> but there's this weird alternative where trains deliver lots of supplies to one industry, then a 1 tile RV is used to deliver them 12:52:42 <andythenorth> which illustrates several things 12:52:48 <andythenorth> - there's nothing so strange as folk 12:52:52 <andythenorth> - unintended consequences 12:52:59 <Rhamphoryncus> aye 12:53:11 <andythenorth> - also...bad maths 12:53:39 <Fori> Sorry andy : ( 12:53:42 <Rhamphoryncus> It's not AS bad with the patch.. but it still has a smell 12:53:55 <andythenorth> at the start of game, supplies are in....short supply. This 1-tile RV method spreads the available supplies in a very inefficient way 12:54:46 <andythenorth> and no, there's no way to use default production increase behaviour with FIRS ;) 12:54:52 <andythenorth> although patching for it would be trivial 12:54:58 <andythenorth> it's a couple of lines and recompile 12:55:08 <andythenorth> (more if you want to change the text) 12:55:29 <andythenorth> and compiling is trivial, if you have *all* the required tools 12:55:58 <Rhamphoryncus> I think the real problem is that it goes against the flow of the game. The game is almost always (pax/mail excepted) volume based and concentrating to a single industry. There's no need to time, share, or coordinate other than having enough capacity. 12:56:30 <andythenorth> I think that's probably true 12:56:32 <andythenorth> but also silly 12:56:35 <Fori> I'll be brb eating ^^ 12:57:16 <Fori> Didnt want to make it all such a big discussion ^^ 12:57:44 <Rhamphoryncus> Unrealistic perhaps, but it IS part of the game. Without cargodist or YACD you HAVE to jump through hoops to spread cargo back out to multiple drops 12:58:16 <Rhamphoryncus> Not to mention the infrastructure is a ton more work 12:58:25 <andythenorth> it made sense on a 64x64 map, with only one steel mill 12:58:31 <Rhamphoryncus> lol 12:58:36 <andythenorth> but it's borderline tedious on a big map 12:58:43 <andythenorth> however 12:58:43 <drac_boy> Rhamphoryncus or just simply use short trains rather than trying to load up one long train? 12:59:00 <andythenorth> supplies were invented simply to provide a use for some vehicles that were going to be added to HEQS 12:59:13 <FLHerne> Helicopters do supplies in a conveniently non-micromanaged way :P 12:59:14 <andythenorth> those vehicles were never added, rendering supplies somewhat pointless 12:59:15 <Rhamphoryncus> Well I did have one good thing on my last game: autorefit of oil -> petrol -> engsup -> oil. Mind you, the engsup wasn't part of the autorefit. Had a single car tacked on the end for that. 12:59:55 <Rhamphoryncus> drac_boy: short trains alone won't do it. You'll get a burst every time you have a delivery. The entire chain would have to be short 13:00:42 <Rhamphoryncus> FLHerne: still requires manual balancing 13:00:55 <andythenorth> what is this balancing problem? 13:01:01 <andythenorth> I have never encountered it :P 13:01:26 <Rhamphoryncus> oh, probably because I've been playing with the patch and have actual consumption 13:01:40 <FLHerne> As long as x thousand crates are available, balancing is a non-issue :P 13:01:58 <andythenorth> they end up massively over-abundant :P 13:02:04 <andythenorth> I run out of places to send them :P 13:02:17 <FLHerne> x being some number about 5x the number of supplied industries, normally 13:02:28 <andythenorth> Rhamphoryncus: does the patch increase micro-management? 13:02:42 <Rhamphoryncus> hrm. I'd say so, yes :( 13:02:59 <Rhamphoryncus> Because it makes them meaningful, rather than a joke. 13:03:47 <drac_boy> is there anything that a gondola can specifically carry that a flatcar or hopper can't? 13:04:23 * FLHerne rarely sees aggregate loaded on flatcars or in hoppers 13:04:29 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-13-21.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:05:28 <Rhamphoryncus> I had a game a bit ago with 14 farms in one area. I used a central transfer station with a scummy non-uniform station loop to spread them out. It'd fluctuate between over-supplied and under-supplied. It was never "right". 13:06:06 <drac_boy> aggregate hmm. flherne you think that to avoid one more wagon id the flatcar could just simply sport a different sprite with the low sides for to carry aggregate cargo? considering its similar empty weight 13:06:23 <andythenorth> Rhamphoryncus: meh 13:06:33 <andythenorth> that's one of the reasons I never wanted to make it more complicated 13:06:55 <andythenorth> :P 13:07:28 <FLHerne> Stockiling for a while makes sense imo - it's the need for insanely frequent deliveries that's a nuisance 13:07:34 <Rhamphoryncus> I'd still have that with stock, but I'd have to under-consume on that loop and blindfold myself not to notice the massive backlog 13:07:54 <Rhamphoryncus> FLHerne: the patch has a 6 month stockpile. Still a PITA. 13:08:01 <andythenorth> Rhamphoryncus: give in 13:08:04 <andythenorth> make it unlimited 13:08:13 <andythenorth> allow 20k tons to be delivered at once 13:08:19 <andythenorth> consume at 1t per month 13:08:22 <andythenorth> deliver once 13:08:25 <Rhamphoryncus> lol 13:08:27 <andythenorth> play rest of game 13:08:28 <andythenorth> problem solved 13:08:36 <andythenorth> that's what players actually want 13:08:42 <Rhamphoryncus> sadly :( 13:08:49 * andythenorth should be less cyncial 13:08:53 <andythenorth> or even cynical 13:09:02 <andythenorth> the correct answer is that supplies should be removed 13:09:17 <andythenorth> but every time I propose this, there is much expression of woe and sadness 13:09:32 <Rhamphoryncus> Less cynical: what can replace it that's interesting, without being a pita? 13:09:38 <andythenorth> no supplies 13:09:53 <andythenorth> they go against the game 13:10:08 <Rhamphoryncus> ... farm supply store? 13:10:15 <andythenorth> deprecated 13:10:18 <Rhamphoryncus> Just like a hardware store 13:10:20 <Rhamphoryncus> really? 13:10:24 <andythenorth> tried 13:10:26 <andythenorth> doesn't work 13:10:43 <andythenorth> seriously the best patch would be one that removes supplies and all associated industries 13:10:47 <andythenorth> I give you commit rights 13:10:48 <drac_boy> flherne? 13:10:50 <andythenorth> you get all the blame 13:10:55 <Rhamphoryncus> Well it'd be just-another-industry 13:10:56 <drac_boy> heh andythenorth 13:10:56 <Rhamphoryncus> heh 13:11:53 <andythenorth> then submit a new patch 13:12:01 <andythenorth> 'all industries have max production that never falls' 13:12:04 <andythenorth> and then another patch 13:12:09 <andythenorth> 'super giant maps' 13:12:12 <andythenorth> and then another patch 13:12:21 <planetmaker> super giant maps? 13:12:21 <andythenorth> 'super giant flying maglevs' 13:12:55 <andythenorth> @calc 2048 ^ 2 13:12:55 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number. 13:12:56 <planetmaker> I'd say: it exists. But... 13:13:03 <andythenorth> @calc 2048 * 2048 13:13:03 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: 4194304 13:13:16 <andythenorth> planetmaker ^ that big along each edge 13:13:20 <andythenorth> maglevs at 1 million miles an hour, 1 million ton capacity 13:13:23 <andythenorth> hmm 13:13:32 <andythenorth> did I say yesterday I should be less cynical? 13:13:44 <V453000> yeah! and maximum of 1 million vehicles per company 13:13:52 <Rhamphoryncus> oh, the old farm supply depot isn't what I was suggesting 13:14:01 <drac_boy> @calc 256 * 4096 13:14:03 <DorpsGek> drac_boy: 1048576 13:14:06 <V453000> and a monster cpu for everybody 13:14:09 <andythenorth> V453000: minimum of 1 million vehicles per company 13:14:16 <andythenorth> you start each game with 1 million vehicles 13:14:16 <drac_boy> maybe try that for somewhat more relastic long distance high speed trains :) 13:14:18 <V453000> :DDD 13:14:26 *** kkb110_ [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-02.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 13:14:27 <Rhamphoryncus> I just meant as a drop for farm supplies, so you could keep the production chain while eliminating it from individual farms 13:14:35 <andythenorth> meh 13:14:47 <andythenorth> farms should be one industry 13:14:54 <drac_boy> V453000 I rarely get into high vehicles even with a busy network. so I wouldn't care for a 2 thousand vehicles limit :) 13:14:55 <Rhamphoryncus> yeah 13:14:57 <andythenorth> e.g. 20 'farm' graphics comprises a 'farm' 13:14:59 <drac_boy> heh 13:15:15 * andythenorth might do something more worthwhile 13:15:18 <Rhamphoryncus> That we can do 13:15:22 <andythenorth> bbl 13:15:23 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 13:15:41 <Rhamphoryncus> :/ 13:16:43 <drac_boy> anyone else think that using a flatcar with new sprites for low sides to carry aggregate could work without any gameplay issues? 13:16:54 * Mazur thinks FIRS supplies are fun, especially since it's not much that's needed. 13:17:18 <drac_boy> heh mazur 13:17:35 <Mazur> Gives a contrasting network image to the regular loads. 13:17:43 <FLHerne> Add a parameter option for supplies delivery options - "monthly"/"stockpiling"/"whatever other option gets invented" :P 13:18:36 *** mal2 [~mal2@z529a.pia.fu-berlin.de] has joined #openttd 13:18:48 <Mazur> What I find a pita is industries disappearing after you've build your station, even after the first load has been shipped. 13:19:22 <Mazur> And secondary industries hanging around even though you never use them./ 13:19:29 <Rhamphoryncus> drac_boy: just sounds like a magic "do anything" car 13:19:50 <Rhamphoryncus> Mazur: yeah 13:20:28 <Rhamphoryncus> hrm. Maybe a 12 month stockpile with 1 consumption/month would work 13:20:35 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-8-86.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 13:20:38 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 13:20:53 <Rhamphoryncus> If serious doesn't work then make it even more of a joke ;) 13:21:00 <drac_boy> Rhamphoryncus heh I was just wondering about having to use up another id just for one cargo or not :) 13:21:03 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-63-24.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:21:07 <drac_boy> considering other cargos can do without a gondola 13:21:30 <Rhamphoryncus> drac_boy: can't say I understand what id limits there are 13:21:41 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-8-86.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [] 13:21:57 <drac_boy> not just limit but the work to code it .. and counting sprites 13:21:59 <drac_boy> :) 13:22:44 <Mazur> Who's counting sprites? I'm not. Crows, maybe..... 13:24:23 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-8-86.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 13:24:24 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 13:24:24 <drac_boy> mazur a grf is made up of sprites so :) 13:25:16 *** Arafangion [~Arafangio@220-244-108-23.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 13:34:14 <Mazur> drac_boy, you could always make the Further Reunited Industrial Totality Set: all the primaries and secondaries of the various sets minus the supply chains. That'd give large maps something to fill them with. 13:34:34 <Mazur> Using the reguilar increase system. 13:34:37 <Mazur> -i 13:37:26 *** kkb110_ [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-02.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:37:56 <drac_boy> mazur not my kind of thing sorry :) 13:40:46 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 13:42:50 <drac_boy> going out for a bit now, will be back later tho :p 13:42:52 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@bas1-ottawa08-1176111076.dsl.bell.ca] has left #openttd [I'm done being in this room!] 13:48:14 <Fori> Rhamphoryncus? When there's two e.g. mines next to each other, with one station having both of em in it's reach will delivering the goods to that station split em between the two? 13:48:29 <Rhamphoryncus> Nope 13:48:59 <Fori> Right. 13:49:07 <Rhamphoryncus> The game picks one (afaik based on the center of the station (obvious) and the center of the industry (not obvious), and sticks with it 13:49:28 <Fori> k 13:51:05 <Fori> Is it that bad when only once every couple of months a train with a huge load comes? 13:51:18 <Fori> Will the industry increase the production? 13:51:39 <Rhamphoryncus> Much less so 13:51:46 <Rhamphoryncus> Only that month has a chance of increasing 13:52:04 <Fori> Right. 13:52:16 <Fori> Oh wow, that's really annoying me right now ^^ 13:52:24 <Rhamphoryncus> hehe 13:52:51 <Fori> That's a thing I like about the ECS storages... 13:52:55 <Fori> or well, stockpiles. 13:53:02 <Fori> Are there any plans on making that patch official? 13:57:13 <lugo> ecs is not a patch, it's a newgrf 13:57:59 <Fori> I know. But there's a patch trying to fix the concerns I have against FIRS which is quite similar to the stockpile system of ECS: 14:00:15 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 14:06:31 *** mal2 [~mal2@z529a.pia.fu-berlin.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:08:08 *** Arafangion [~Arafangio@220-244-108-23.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:08:24 <planetmaker> that won't be fixed 14:08:28 <planetmaker> or rather "fixed" 14:08:32 <Rhamphoryncus> Fori: it just exasperates the underlying problem 14:09:00 <planetmaker> Using NewGRFs works well and allows more or less arbitrary systems as devised by the NewGRF authors desires 14:09:20 <Rhamphoryncus> planetmaker: he's talking about FIRS 14:09:39 <Rhamphoryncus> farmsup/engsup 14:09:46 <planetmaker> hm, right. Well. there the answer is 'yes, it should be fixed" 14:10:00 <planetmaker> And IIRC you, Rhamphoryncus did some work on that matter :-) 14:10:06 <Rhamphoryncus> should be, but so far the only solution is to rip it out :/ 14:10:22 <Rhamphoryncus> Yes, but as I say it just exasperates the problem 14:10:34 <planetmaker> well, I try or tried to implement something which keeps last delivery date and a manual stockpile kind of 14:10:51 <Rhamphoryncus> Openttd is not good at spreading cargo out 14:10:52 <planetmaker> but maybe one should use a real stockpile but just no limit for it (or rather 64k units) 14:11:04 <planetmaker> no, the spreading out won't be solved by that. Rather can't 14:11:19 <planetmaker> that's a issue (or non-issue, depending on view) 14:11:29 <Rhamphoryncus> it's *the* issue 14:11:46 <planetmaker> the solution is simply to build a distribution centre and deliver locally from that to the individual industries. 14:11:50 <planetmaker> It's even realistic ;-) 14:12:04 <Rhamphoryncus> No, that's still finicky. Requires lots of micro management 14:12:31 <planetmaker> so macro management is "send some trains between arbitrary points A and B" and then expect that everything works? 14:12:55 <planetmaker> industries are the building blocks which define supply / demand 14:13:03 <Rhamphoryncus> The normal behaviour is A, B, and C all go to D, which goes to E 14:13:07 <planetmaker> Thus it's imho ok in a transport game that they require individual attention 14:13:14 <Rhamphoryncus> And you just build enough to handle the volume 14:13:25 <Rhamphoryncus> There's no competition for cargo 14:13:43 <planetmaker> you don't sell the cargo. You get only paid for delivery. 14:13:50 <planetmaker> And the industry which receives it pays you 14:13:55 <planetmaker> why should the other one get it? 14:14:24 <planetmaker> I won't pay you either, if you ship my computer to the neibouring town 14:14:32 <planetmaker> it's just not good enough 14:15:04 <Rhamphoryncus> You misunderstand. You drop a trainload of farmsup at your distribution centre. This has trucks going to 5 separate farms, with multiple for each farm due to the spread. However, on this batch only one farm gets supplied 14:16:03 <planetmaker> you mean as you can only supply full truck loads? 14:16:06 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.26.172] has joined #openttd 14:16:10 <planetmaker> Use small trucks :-) 14:16:12 <Rhamphoryncus> yes 14:16:16 <Rhamphoryncus> Micromanagement 14:16:22 <Rhamphoryncus> There's only so many options 14:16:22 <planetmaker> I suggest the forklift from HEQS 14:16:23 <planetmaker> 1t 14:16:28 <Rhamphoryncus> Forklifts are stupid :P 14:16:38 <planetmaker> not micromanagement really... just choosing the appropriate vehicle 14:17:01 <Rhamphoryncus> You still end up with 50 different routes across your map, with unhandled cargo piled up everywhere 14:17:18 <Rhamphoryncus> Once setup, if it actually works you have essentially infinite supplies 14:17:53 <Rhamphoryncus> So the entire thing exists just to say you did it. Why bother? 14:19:05 <Rhamphoryncus> I've tried all manor of different schemes. None of them were fun. 14:20:11 <planetmaker> Rhamphoryncus, I'd use one route only for all forklifts. They service all adjacent industries in sequential order 14:20:33 <planetmaker> goto pickup, goto A, goto pickup, goto B, goto pickup, goto C, goto pickup, goto D 14:20:33 <Rhamphoryncus> Done that too. Clumpy. 14:20:40 <planetmaker> works very well actually 14:20:46 <Rhamphoryncus> Didn't for me 14:20:59 <Rhamphoryncus> With a timetable patch maybe 14:21:23 <planetmaker> also without. You can force a wait via timetable already now 14:21:50 <Rhamphoryncus> .. 14:22:06 <Eddi|zuHause> just make sure the timetable lasts 30 days 14:22:15 <Rhamphoryncus> So you have 20 forklifts going to A, then 20 to pickup, then 20 to B, then 20 to pickup.. 14:22:37 <Eddi|zuHause> if it takes multiples of 30 days, use multiple forklifts 14:22:48 <Eddi|zuHause> or gmund mogs 14:23:01 <Rhamphoryncus> I'm assuming multiple forklifts 14:23:23 <Eddi|zuHause> you only need one supply per month 14:23:38 <Rhamphoryncus> If your farms are close enough to be serviced by 1 then they're close enough that the pickup actually catches from all 14:24:03 <Rhamphoryncus> Which just makes you realize how silly the behaviour is 14:24:09 <Eddi|zuHause> so what is your problem? 14:25:19 <Rhamphoryncus> Why bother? It's nothing more than an hour setting up a copy-and-paste job, identical to your last 20 games, with nothing interesting. A waste of time. 14:28:46 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 14:33:32 *** teggiiii [teggi@36.179.16.62.customer.cdi.no] has quit [] 14:35:29 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 14:42:17 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:51:21 *** michi_cc [~michi@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Quit: michi_cc] 14:51:33 *** michi_cc [~michi@p5B041D39.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:51:36 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 14:51:59 *** michi_cc_ [~michi@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 14:52:06 *** michi_cc [~michi@p5B041D39.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 14:52:18 *** michi_cc_ is now known as michi_cc 14:59:03 *** cypher [~Miranda@cat58-r92.cesnet.cz] has joined #openttd 14:59:48 <andythenorth> @seen pikka 14:59:48 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: pikka was last seen in #openttd 18 hours, 34 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <Pikka> because you can't get the wood you know 15:04:05 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d0839e5.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:04:14 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 15:19:21 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 15:23:11 <Fori> Intersting discussion Rhampho. 15:23:23 <Fori> Is there some console function to give a player cash in a MP game? 15:26:20 <Fori> I mean, as a dedicated server. 15:29:54 <Eddi|zuHause> no 15:30:19 <Eddi|zuHause> but you might be able to do that through the admin port 15:30:36 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-13-21.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 15:30:51 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:31:11 <Eddi|zuHause> why is there no crontab on fritzbox? 15:35:26 * andythenorth struggles for witty answer 15:35:28 * andythenorth fails 15:41:41 <Rhamphoryncus> crontab is failtab? 15:43:29 *** cypher [~Miranda@cat58-r92.cesnet.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 15:56:36 *** Snail_ [~jacopocol@CPE78cd8e5ccf20-CM78cd8e5ccf1d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 16:09:06 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B75D79.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:14:57 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7289A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:17:56 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 16:23:30 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 16:29:25 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 16:32:26 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6A85B.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:32:31 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6A85B.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:34:17 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-78-45-92-166.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 16:35:45 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5153E8CC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:40:36 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B3F3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:40:49 <Terkhen> hello 16:52:36 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-178-000-005-077.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:53:08 <NGC3982> hi 16:55:06 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e09ee84.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 16:55:48 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED04965.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:56:04 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d161-184-227-133.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 16:57:38 <Fori> Did the algorithm for replacing trains change? 16:58:06 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:58:09 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 16:58:13 <Fori> In 1.2? 16:58:24 <Fori> Cause I think in my current game it's not working very well. 16:58:49 <Fori> The trains which should be replaced just cross the depot not caring about my orders. 16:59:23 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED04965.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:01:09 *** Snail_ [~jacopocol@CPE78cd8e5ccf20-CM78cd8e5ccf1d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: Snail_] 17:01:17 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B749D0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:02:10 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-178-000-005-077.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:04:33 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f7903.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:07:15 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75D79.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:07:26 <Fori> Wow. That took like 10 minutes to replace that one train? 17:07:37 <Fori> I dunno if that's all running correct ^^ 17:12:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> the algorithm was changed to only visit the depot for replacement if the maintenance interval ran out 17:13:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> to avoid trains all going to the depot at the same time, and also to avoid a train repeatedly going to depot because the replacement failed 17:13:42 <Fori> Right! Thanks! 17:17:06 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B73DEC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:19:56 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:22:42 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B749D0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:24:22 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-78-45-92-166.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:27:05 *** kkb110_ [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-02.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 17:30:21 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host81-154-231-12.range81-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:30:59 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-13-21.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 17:33:26 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host139-62-dynamic.252-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:33:39 <Wolf01> evening o/ 17:35:21 *** George|2 [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 17:35:21 *** George is now known as Guest1446 17:35:21 *** George|2 is now known as George 17:38:52 <Alberth> o/ Wolf01 17:40:26 <NGC3982> http://i.imgur.com/IpIZs.jpg 17:40:32 <NGC3982> there is so much win in that man. 17:40:47 <NGC3982> http://i.imgur.com/vynW8.png 17:40:54 <NGC3982> and there is no win at all in those people. 17:40:57 *** Guest1446 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:41:37 *** Eddi|zuHause4 [~johekr@p54B73D3C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:45:02 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 17:48:27 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B73DEC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:50:05 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B735EB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:50:40 *** Markavian` [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:51:43 <Fori> Eddie? 17:51:48 <Fori> May I pm you some question in German? 17:52:06 <Fori> As it seems I'm not able to find the words in English. 17:53:27 <Eddi|zuHause> yay XML! 17:53:53 <Wolf01> NGC3982, the first image is what make me put trust on the humanity, the second one is what make me feel as I want to kill as many people as possible 17:53:58 <Eddi|zuHause> command to remotely tell the FritzBox to reconnect: curl "http://fritz.box:49000/upnp/control/WANIPConn1" -H "Content-Type: text/xml; charset="utf-8"" -H "SoapAction: urn:schemas-upnp-org:service:WANIPConnection:1#ForceTermination" -d '<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?><s:Envelope s:encodingStyle="http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/encoding/" xmlns:s="http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/envelope/"><s:Body><u:ForceTermination xmlns:u="urn: 17:54:00 <Eddi|zuHause> schemas-upnp-org:service:WANIPConnection:1" /></s:Body></s:Envelope>' 17:54:07 <NGC3982> Wolf01: yes, indeed. 17:54:07 <Fori> Don't you like XML Eddi? ^^ 17:54:34 <NGC3982> seriosly, the common knowledge among kids born in the nighties is horrible. 17:54:37 <SpComb> easy 17:55:13 *** mal2 [~mal2@port-92-206-90-51.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 17:55:26 *** KouDy [~KouDy@175.137.102.249] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:55:49 <Fori> Well. Maybe anyone else knows. I'll try it in English. Does the replacement of trains watch out that it doesnt replace trains which can't be fit to that kind of waggon the old train used? 17:56:31 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 17:56:47 *** Eddi|zuHause4 [~johekr@p54B73D3C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:56:48 <SpComb> and the Costa Concordia was "like a real-life Titanic" 17:57:01 *** Markavian [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:58:57 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-78-45-92-151.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 18:06:42 <Fori> Anyone has experience with BaseCostMod? 18:07:04 <V453000> maybe 18:07:52 <Fori> Seems like I'm unable to adjust the costs for industry building. 18:08:30 <V453000> do you have any industry set like FIRS loaded? 18:08:53 <Fori> No. 18:09:02 <V453000> hm 18:09:08 <V453000> should work normally then 18:09:37 <Fori> Maybe some other GRF is interfering. 18:09:39 <Fori> I'll try clean. 18:10:15 <planetmaker> changing basecost mods post game-creation usually is not a good idea 18:10:30 <Fori> It's not post game planet. 18:10:37 <Fori> Seems like some other GRF is interfering. 18:10:40 <Fori> Works without any. 18:11:05 <Fori> But hm. 18:11:11 <Fori> Total Town replacement maybe? 18:11:26 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B754B3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:11:34 <andythenorth> NGC3982: when were you born? 18:12:10 <NGC3982> andythenorth: in 1987. in sweden, we are (until 1989) the last of the full public school educational breed. 18:12:32 <Fori> Right. It was the fault of "DBSetXL" 18:12:53 <andythenorth> so here's the funny thing about kids born in the eighties 18:13:14 <NGC3982> since 1990, the grades of swedish students are falling into complete ridicule. 18:13:27 <andythenorth> it's not common knowledge among eighties kids (yet) that every generation thinks the following generation lacks common knowledge :P 18:13:40 <NGC3982> well, of course, that is true. 18:13:46 <NGC3982> though, this time its different. 18:13:51 <NGC3982> as stated above. 18:14:09 <andythenorth> NGC3982: it's the fault of video games 18:14:38 <NGC3982> surely not. me and my eighties friends played games too. 18:14:49 <andythenorth> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Brigstocke#Pac-Man_joke 18:15:17 <NGC3982> hehe 18:16:06 <Fori> What's "auto refittable"? Does that mean when the train is replacing some other it's automatic refitted? Referring to UKRS here. 18:16:07 <NGC3982> the problem (at least in sweden) as i see it, lies in kids growing up in a society where it's "lame" to be and act as a kid. 18:16:49 <NGC3982> people are for some reason supposed to stop play with toys and games when they turn 10, and immediately start acting as adults. 18:17:05 <NGC3982> which for a ten year old often means "ill do what i want". 18:17:18 <NGC3982> and that kind of makes the recipe of crap-cake. 18:17:32 <supermop> i think 10 year olds did that 40 years ago 18:17:46 *** Markavian [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:17:46 <NGC3982> well, why does it affect us so badly right now? 18:18:02 <supermop> and 'do what i want' is child like, not adult like 18:18:11 <NGC3982> yes, that is kind of what i mea. 18:18:13 <NGC3982> +n. 18:18:20 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B735EB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:18:27 <supermop> if they were acting like adults they would have mortgages and boring jobs 18:18:33 <NGC3982> and, i fail to see ten year olds being a profitable market for lingerie in the seventees. 18:19:04 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5153E8CC.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:19:23 <planetmaker> Fori, refit possible in stations 18:19:38 <planetmaker> to match available cargo 18:20:03 *** Markavian` [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:22:36 <Fori> Mh. 18:22:38 <Fori> I don't get it. 18:22:39 <Fori> ^^ 18:23:08 <planetmaker> do you play OpenTTD 1.2.0-RCx ? 18:23:29 <planetmaker> if not: it's an unavailable feature in earlier versions 18:26:22 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-13-21.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 18:26:50 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 18:28:00 <Fori> I do. 18:28:50 <Fori> I mean I play 1.2.0 RC4 18:34:25 <Fori> Planetmaker? Can you explain? 18:36:33 <planetmaker> checkout the available orders of such vehicle. 18:37:46 <planetmaker> e.g. if you have a wagon which can carry coal, ore, ... and you have it go to a station which has both, the wagon will refit to what is available more 18:42:12 <Alberth> I obviously do not play openttd enough :) 18:44:11 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-14-2.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 18:45:49 <planetmaker> Alberth: few vehicles support that yet. You'll need the correct newgrf(s) 18:46:37 <planetmaker> seems like ukrs2 does. 18:47:02 <Alberth> oh, does opengfx+ do? that's the only vehicle newgrf I play with 18:47:29 <Alberth> probably not yet :) 18:47:39 <Fori> Wow, nice planet. 18:47:52 <Fori> Well. UKRS has at least some hints about it, 18:47:59 <Alberth> yes planetmaker makes very nice planets 18:48:48 *** Markavian` [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:49:22 <Fori> I'm sorry :X 18:49:34 *** goodger [~ben@94-30-43-248.xdsl.murphx.net] has quit [] 18:50:42 <Fori> So, for my new game I adjusted the WAS airplanes to cost 138.000.000⬠for an A380 18:50:45 <Fori> That seems cool to me. 18:52:38 <planetmaker> Alberth, it does support it 18:52:48 <planetmaker> (I think I was first ;-) ) 18:52:50 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.95.109] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:53:09 <Alberth> nice :) 18:53:24 *** goodger [~ben@94-30-43-248.xdsl.murphx.net] has joined #openttd 18:55:06 *** Markavian [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:00:08 * NGC3982 humbly asks for a new jupiter without the twat face storm. 19:00:34 <planetmaker> woot? A new...? It's the king of the planets! 19:01:02 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.83.64] has joined #openttd 19:01:15 <NGC3982> well, that red thing has been bugging me 19:01:50 <NGC3982> it disturbes the feng shui of the solar system. 19:02:38 <planetmaker> hardly. Given that every other planet with atmosphere has storms, too 19:02:55 <Fori> What's the main difference between realistic and original acceleration models? 19:03:24 <planetmaker> http://wiki.openttd.org/Train_acceleration_model 19:03:33 <planetmaker> ^^ good page. Also called manual 19:04:02 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: you need a new king occasionally 19:04:05 <Fori> Wow. I've been reading game mechanics all day long must be blind. 19:04:06 <Fori> Thanks! 19:06:02 <planetmaker> The king is dead. Long live the king? 19:06:35 <Eddi|zuHause> exactly 19:07:00 <planetmaker> http://exoplanet.eu/planet.php?p1=CoRoT-3&p2=b <-- bigger, hotter, faster 19:07:49 <NGC3982> planetmaker: a four day orbital? 19:07:51 <NGC3982> planetmaker: neat.. 19:07:58 <planetmaker> rather common ;-) 19:08:04 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-178-000-005-077.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:08:48 <planetmaker> http://exoplanet.eu/planet.php?p1=55+Cnc&p2=e 19:09:00 <planetmaker> 55 Cancri is a nice system 19:09:51 *** [1]Mark [~Mark@5ED06D58.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:09:52 *** Mark is now known as Guest1455 19:09:52 *** [1]Mark is now known as Mark 19:09:59 <NGC3982> what does the "M.sin i" represent? 19:10:36 *** Markavian` [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:10:50 <planetmaker> i is the (unknown) inclination with which we look at that system's ecliptic plane. Thus we only know M * sin i of the companions' mass 19:11:19 <NGC3982> ah, i see 19:13:42 *** kkb110_ [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-02.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:13:57 <Eddi|zuHause> <planetmaker> rather common ;-) <-- you mean "those are just the easiest to find" ;) 19:15:21 *** Guest1455 [~Mark@5ED06D58.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:15:32 * NGC3982 jazz + mat'34 "Vlieg. Holl." 19:15:43 <planetmaker> They are easy to find. But statistics and observation time are good enough to know probabilitiy of planets with orbital periods smaller than ~10 ... 15 years 19:16:09 <NGC3982> i just realized that vlieg. holl. is dutch for 'the flying dutchmen' 19:17:44 <NGC3982> planetmaker: im a bit new to this. i guess one can easily find lots of exoplanets with orbital time under a few days, since short observations of stars reveals a small dip in light. 19:17:58 <NGC3982> and the small wobble of some stars, i guess 19:18:16 <NGC3982> but, how do we find exoplanets with orbital periods exceeding years? 19:19:38 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-24-215-117.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:19:51 <Eddi|zuHause> if you're observing light variation, you need ~2.5 revolutions 19:20:17 <Eddi|zuHause> 0.5 in average to see the first variation, 1 to see the second variation, and 1 to confirm your measurements 19:20:59 *** mal2_ [~mal2@port-92-206-44-194.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 19:21:12 <NGC3982> i see 19:21:34 <Eddi|zuHause> that means to find a planet with a period of 15 years you have to observe the same star regularly for almost 40 years 19:22:09 <NGC3982> and we have no alternative methods of finding them? 19:22:09 <Alberth> the question is whether it is of interest to find such planets, given our narrow idea of life 19:22:31 <NGC3982> Alberth: well, if science allows faster methods, its a sure pleasure of mapping space. 19:22:35 <Alberth> NGC3982: probably it exists, we just haven't found it 19:22:48 <NGC3982> and with importance, determing the number of actual planets in the universe. 19:22:53 <NGC3982> Alberth: i see. 19:23:01 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: you can deduce orbits from less than 2.5 revolutions 19:23:32 <Alberth> NGC3982: why is the number of planets relevant? 19:24:05 <NGC3982> Alberth: it gives us a good measurement on where most of the mass in the universe is placed. 19:24:23 <Alberth> almost infinite seems a quite adequate guestimate to me :p 19:24:48 <planetmaker> NGC3982: the planets' mass is negligible 19:24:56 <planetmaker> irrespective of how many there are 19:25:40 <NGC3982> i dissagree. even though it might not be very useful, its still a neat way to map up areas as we see them. 19:25:57 <NGC3982> oh wait, i dont dissagree 19:26:01 <NGC3982> i disagree. :( 19:26:14 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: you should be able to do that much faster with CSI technology 19:26:23 *** mal2 [~mal2@port-92-206-90-51.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:26:29 <Eddi|zuHause> if you assume our solar system is somewhat "average", then you can deduce the number of planets by comparing planet mass to solar mass, and applying that ratio to galaxy mass 19:26:57 <Rubidium> you just need small reflective surfaces at right angles at the right distances 19:27:04 <planetmaker> given radial velocity measurements you can be reasonably sure about a companion when you got a significant amount of a single period 19:27:10 <NGC3982> Eddi|zuHause: yes, thats true. but the "somewhat average" can surely be deduced to a new decimal with data on other solar systems. 19:27:32 <planetmaker> as you know the Keplerian laws. Further measurements then usually only make it more precise 19:27:55 * NGC3982 needs to google that. 19:28:22 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: the assumption that our solar system is average, probably is wrong 19:28:34 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: yes. i specifically said light variation, not speaking about other measurements like velocity 19:28:35 <planetmaker> as only about 15% of all stars have planets 19:28:39 <NGC3982> well, i guess you are right. though, i still dream of a feature where we have mapped and named -everything-, 19:29:22 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: if you can measure transits, you can measure the radial velocity 19:29:23 <NGC3982> future*. 19:29:25 <NGC3982> for god sake. 19:29:34 <NGC3982> i really need to read up on my english. 19:29:52 <NGC3982> im getting sick of googling words every time i want to talk about cosmology. 19:30:19 <planetmaker> I'm actually happy that this is not cosmology ;-) 19:30:27 <__ln__> exoplanets are not cosmology, indeed 19:30:28 <planetmaker> I'm quite bad at cosmology :-P 19:30:29 <Rubidium> NGC3982: then talk about astrology 19:30:36 <NGC3982> astronomy*. 19:30:40 <NGC3982> bah. 19:30:45 <Rubidium> NGC3982: no, astrology 19:30:53 <NGC3982> Rubidium: not funny, thank you. 19:30:57 <Rubidium> then you can just talk nonsense and it still makes sense ;) 19:31:00 <NGC3982> ah 19:31:02 <NGC3982> hehe 19:31:06 <planetmaker> haha :-) 19:31:12 <planetmaker> and make (much) more money with that 19:31:30 <NGC3982> well, combining astronomy and astrology surely looks profitable 19:31:46 <NGC3982> "trust me, im a scientist" (half-life). 19:32:06 <__ln__> they were one science earlier 19:35:44 <Rubidium> too bad I can't find a subtitled version of the "Gastro TV" sketch that was on television a while ago after all those "astro tv" things got cancelled/banned 19:36:10 <Eddi|zuHause> they got banned? 19:36:16 <NGC3982> planetmaker: only 15% of the stars have planets, by the way? 19:36:54 <NGC3982> the last thing i heard about something similar was carl sagan in cosmos, hoping that 70 or 80% of the stars had at least one planet. 19:36:57 <NGC3982> :) 19:37:40 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: by most channels yes 19:38:37 <Rubidium> and if I recall correctly they got totally banned including all of the other similar tv 'programs' in Flanders 19:39:40 <Zuu> I can't recall that I've ever seen an astro program on TV. 19:39:54 <Rubidium> Zuu: then you should by a TV ;) 19:40:14 <Rubidium> and channel surf the crappy channels in the late morning or mid afternoon 19:40:17 <Zuu> I got a TV 19:40:25 <Rubidium> s/by/buy/ 19:41:01 <Eddi|zuHause> we've got a "full time" astro tv channel 19:41:10 <Zuu> I tend to not watch the channels on it especially not the crappy ones. 19:42:35 *** kkb110_ [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-03.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 19:45:57 <__ln__> next to Flanders is Simpson? 19:49:37 <Eddi|zuHause> wrong country :) 19:51:20 <Nat_aS> http://reticulatingsplines.ytmnd.com/ what does Reticlulating splines mean anyways? And could it be applied to making a better heightmap generator for OTTD? 19:52:02 <Eddi|zuHause> Nat_aS: it's somewhat of a running gag throughout simcity versions 19:52:18 <Nat_aS> yes but the gag must have started as a programer in joke 19:52:40 <Nat_aS> I'm fairly sure it's something that Sim City 2000 actually does in map making. 19:52:41 <Eddi|zuHause> splines are a mathematical interpolation method 19:53:59 <Nat_aS> and what does that mean? 19:54:53 <Eddi|zuHause> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spline-Interpolation 19:55:19 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@bas1-ottawa08-1176111076.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 19:55:22 <drac_boy> hi 19:55:33 <Nat_aS> I don't speak german 19:55:55 <Eddi|zuHause> Nat_aS: there's a big "english" link on the left. 19:55:55 * Nat_aS searches the same thing on the EN wikipedia 19:56:13 <drac_boy> what looking for btw Nat_aS? 19:56:33 <Nat_aS> Reticulating splines, and how it applies to making random maps 19:56:39 <drac_boy> oh 19:56:55 <Nat_aS> because whatever algorithm SImCity 2000 uses, it's better than what we have 19:57:08 <Nat_aS> and the only lead I have on that is there Reticluating splies joke 19:57:10 <Nat_aS> splines 19:57:24 <Eddi|zuHause> Nat_aS: there was a fairly comprehensive explanation on how simcity-style maps are generated 19:57:32 <drac_boy> btw I got a small question...is it phpbb or the forum host (I think we know who heh) thats not listing Canada for the language menu on registeration page? 19:57:38 <Nat_aS> oh? 19:57:49 <Eddi|zuHause> Nat_aS: but it's not something that can usefully be done for a "whole world" map 19:57:59 <Nat_aS> oh? 19:58:07 <Nat_aS> why not? 19:58:38 <Rubidium> drac_boy: I reckon it's due to there not being a Canadian English translation 19:58:47 <Eddi|zuHause> Nat_aS: you only get "one costline" or "one river" style maps out of it 19:58:57 <drac_boy> guess its phpbb then 19:59:09 <Nat_aS> there's no way to specify other land formations? 19:59:10 <Rubidium> drac_boy: but you can do something about it 19:59:15 <drac_boy> hmm think I'll just register with british language soon then 19:59:40 <Nat_aS> Even with one coastline and one river, I still like the arrangement of hills and flats better than OTTDs. 20:00:42 <Nat_aS> i know SC3k allowed up two 4 coastlines (Peninsulas, isthmuses, and islands) as well as Mountians and lakes in the cente 20:00:44 <Nat_aS> center 20:00:53 <Eddi|zuHause> Nat_aS: yes. pure "noise" does not result in very favourable maps. that's why the landscape variation functions have been introduced 20:01:39 <Nat_aS> then SC4 went all out with hyper realistic terrain, but at the same time construction was confined the a grid, meaning it was almost impossible to build cities that fit onto this realistic terrain 20:01:58 <Nat_aS> SC4 is an example of how not to build a game. 20:02:14 <Nat_aS> advancing the engine without advancing the gameplay is bad 20:02:15 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, the grid is one of the biggest weakness of sc4 20:02:31 <Nat_aS> same mistake that Chris Sawyer made with Locomotion 20:02:41 <Eddi|zuHause> you can only build american-style grid cities 20:02:53 <Eddi|zuHause> not european style "grown" cities 20:02:55 <Nat_aS> it's funny, because the engine was PERFECT for RCT 20:04:26 <Alberth> nah, I had heaps of trouble understanding where the roller coaster tracks went to 20:04:47 <Eddi|zuHause> i never played RCT or Locomotion 20:05:43 <Alberth> and problems while digging deep holes :) 20:10:09 <Nat_aS> Because of the isometric depth perception problem? 20:11:26 <Nat_aS> >Will Wright has stated in an interview that the game does not actually reticulate splines when generating terrain, darn 20:11:31 <Alberth> clicking tiles below the lower edge of the hole :) 20:11:48 <Nat_aS> anyways, how does SC2K work then? 20:12:53 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r24111 /trunk/src/ (8 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: use Colour more instead of manually bitstuffing 20:13:26 <supermop> the holes were problematic in Locomotion 20:13:43 <supermop> that game really need a way to 'shave' off layers 20:14:02 <supermop> ie pin the view and/or cursor to a certain depth 20:14:10 <supermop> mostly for subways 20:14:26 <drac_boy> was locomotion really like rct as in you had to lay each rail piece individually btw? 20:14:31 <Nat_aS> yes 20:14:42 <drac_boy> oic, good thing I never ever thought about considering that game at all :-/ 20:14:48 <Nat_aS> click next click next, click turn, click straight, click next 20:15:00 <Nat_aS> it works in RCT, and in fact is essential for it 20:15:04 <Nat_aS> but here, it's just tedious 20:15:18 <supermop> every so often i fire it up to play with modelling the subway junctions and interlockings near me, which are quite complex 20:16:00 <Eddi|zuHause> people have actually been requesting that this method be implemented in openttd 20:16:12 <drac_boy> Nat_aS yeah rct is about ever-twisting layout in a small space. thats in contrast to building a long straight railroad I imagine 20:16:20 * Nat_aS makes a face 20:16:26 <Nat_aS> : L 20:16:43 <Nat_aS> (._.)/ h 20:16:50 <drac_boy> Nat_aS heh was that to me or them? :) 20:16:57 <Nat_aS> over them 20:17:06 <drac_boy> ok :) 20:17:47 <Nat_aS> yeah, RCT's engine was designed for a TTD sequel, BUT it evolved in a diffrent direction 20:18:00 <Nat_aS> Locomotion was a halfassed attempt to bring it full circle. 20:18:01 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-178-000-005-077.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:18:02 <Nat_aS> which did not work 20:21:40 <drac_boy> funny thing is I always build a miniature railroad circle every time my park started getting larger. usually either from the enterance to back of park but sometimes adding side located station 20:21:50 <drac_boy> never did use the monorail too much 20:23:44 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:24:03 <Fori> I've actually bought locomotion ^^ 20:24:06 <Fori> Hi drac :) 20:24:09 *** kkb110_ [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-03.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:24:25 <drac_boy> hi fori 20:24:55 <drac_boy> weird thing is I had something I wanted to tell you but I can't remember what it was now heh :-/ 20:25:22 <Fori> Damn ^^ 20:25:26 <Fori> Maybe it'll come back. 20:25:33 <Fori> Wanna check my server setup out? 20:25:55 <drac_boy> I don't have 1.2.0 so I doubt it, thanks still 20:25:59 <Fori> Ah, right. 20:26:39 <Fori> We just launched a game in 1850 :D 20:26:47 <Fori> With some expensive settings. 20:26:50 * oskari89 thinks that power stations should have more functions in OpenTTD generally 20:27:23 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.114.235.117.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 20:27:42 <oskari89> And i think that power lines should be built to nearest towns. 20:28:05 <oskari89> And there could be electrical substation. 20:28:44 <oskari89> More delivery -> More power -> More town population boost :P 20:29:08 <drac_boy> oskari89 well normally I would had questioned you but with NewObjects and the scenarioeditor-only flag its plausible to build the power lines as long as they are neutrally owned 20:29:33 <oskari89> Hmm. 20:29:55 <drac_boy> as for power...I think there used to be a server that required you to unload coal+food to grow the town then the game was over as soon as one player reached the population goal set for that server 20:30:11 <oskari89> Did some grf had powerlines or pylons? 20:30:16 <drac_boy> if its still running and you can find that game, you could check out how its done 20:30:26 <oskari89> Do i recall right that it was something from SAC? 20:30:30 <Nat_aS> the fact that the trains in RTC don't have junctions is half the reason Locomo sucks 20:30:48 <Nat_aS> no pathfinding 20:32:44 <drac_boy> hm well I got a wagon question as usual... 20:33:55 <drac_boy> should transporter wagon (with a loaded standard gauge wagon atop) be same runcost as the normal narrow gauge version or perhaps a little higher? 20:34:55 <Nat_aS> a littler higher 20:35:11 <Nat_aS> conversions should always be less efficient than what they are emulating. 20:35:19 <Nat_aS> If I understand what is being done. 20:35:31 <Nat_aS> this is a train car that carries another car on top? 20:36:11 <drac_boy> yes it is 20:37:36 <drac_boy> and just in case you wanted to check here's an example:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/36/Rollwagen_HSB.jpg 20:37:46 <drac_boy> hm sorry, insert a space after the colon :) 20:38:17 <Eddi|zuHause> works right here 20:41:21 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@213-186-253-165.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 20:50:23 <drac_boy> still want find more real metre wagons examples but think that part of the table is almost done aside to no prices 20:50:29 <drac_boy> ^_^ 20:52:29 * drac_boy tried to track down chile railroads but somehow never got far :| 20:58:34 <drac_boy> if anyone wanted to know, you can actually fire a small firebox on hides ... just expect it to stink badly for a few days! 20:58:53 * drac_boy finds some of these older stories a bit amusing 21:02:12 *** sla_ro|vista [slaco@95.76.26.172] has joined #openttd 21:03:41 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.26.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:05:09 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f7903.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:07:18 *** kkb110_ [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 21:16:40 *** sla_ro|vista [slaco@95.76.26.172] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 21:22:33 <Eddi|zuHause> narrow gauge freight wagons are either on lines that are dedicated to one cargo only, or they're standard gauge wagons on special carriage cars like in the picture 21:23:38 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: I'm not so sure about that 21:25:10 <drac_boy> actually sometimes it helps when its an industry that only has NG connection but otherwise could want to see one or few loads that are out of the NG network's reach. if clearance allows its cheaper to ship the SG wagon as-is over NG rather than finding the terminal space and labour to transload the cargo itself 21:25:26 <Rubidium> mostly because I saw one on TV not long ago 21:25:27 <drac_boy> I've noticed that switzerland does this a lot with log loads 21:28:04 <drac_boy> actually...one thing I find quite interesting about RhB is that a lot of the times the schedule is for passengers but they'll often add a freight wagon or few to its tail 21:28:42 <drac_boy> even that new Allegro emu set hauling a few extra coaches plus liquid or timber loads isn't too unusual occurance as well 21:31:26 <Rubidium> hmm, is metre gauge considered narrow? 21:31:31 <drac_boy> yeah 21:32:08 <drac_boy> its hmm I think like close to 3ft 6inch or was it 3inch. either way its pretty much 1000m 21:32:09 <Rubidium> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6LkvwyM6q8 <- proves cargo is transported on narrow gauge where there are also passengers trains 21:32:53 <Eddi|zuHause> was that ever doubted? 21:33:14 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-153-135.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 21:33:21 <Rubidium> 23:26 < Eddi|zuHause> narrow gauge freight wagons are either on lines that are dedicated to one cargo only, or they're standard gauge wagons on special carriage cars like in the picture 21:33:27 <Rubidium> that implies it 21:34:23 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: i meant that a line dedicated to one cargo, like a mine, will have special wagons for this cargo 21:34:39 <Rubidium> as I'm showing narrow gauge wagons on a non-single cargo only line without the special carriage 21:35:08 <Eddi|zuHause> my sentence is missing a "usually" inbetween 21:35:52 <drac_boy> btw I can't remember where I saw it but theres something a bit different coming in a few years... 21:37:19 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has quit [Quit: Popidopidopido] 21:37:31 <drac_boy> JR wants to create wagons (they look a bit like oversized single-deck car carrier wagons) to transport NG freight wagons over the shinkansen lines 21:38:00 <drac_boy> would be interesting, the lines wouldn't be only purely for passengers alone anymore 21:38:16 <Rubidium> then they would only be transporting the cargo at night 21:38:40 <Rubidium> as it's not as if there's much capacity left on the line, especially for slow cargo trains 21:39:21 <drac_boy> I don't think it would be slow, probably only a few wagons behind at least two or more powerful locomotives. but still yeah nights might be more likely 21:39:25 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host81-154-231-12.range81-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 12.0/20120403211507]] 21:40:42 <drac_boy> I think the idea did have merits tho. the NG lines are like only up to 160 (or was it lower for freights than passengers?) while the shinkansen can go over 300. lot of time saving there 21:41:11 <Rubidium> unless it's for the Hakodate - Aomori stretch 21:41:30 <Rubidium> then it'd make some sense 21:41:46 <NGC3982> kentucky is a state, kentucky is a state 21:42:38 <drac_boy> anyway Rubidium I kind of need to go, need to pick up supper and a bit of tomorrow's food. I'll be back later tonight tho 21:42:47 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@bas1-ottawa08-1176111076.dsl.bell.ca] has left #openttd [I'm done being in this room!] 21:42:57 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 21:47:24 <Wolf01> 'night 21:47:27 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host139-62-dynamic.252-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:47:32 <Rubidium> bah... typical Japanese website links. They're linking to (re)moved pages 21:51:32 <NGC3982> surfing the japanese web is a bit odd. 21:51:47 <NGC3982> lots of material is linked to non-existant media 21:51:55 <NGC3982> ..everywhere. 21:52:31 <Rubidium> luckily http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9ALaS8lHGM still works ;) 21:53:47 <Sacro> I don't get glue records :( 21:59:23 <NGC3982> Rubidium: sweet jesus. 21:59:34 <Eddi|zuHause> <NGC3982> kentucky is a state, kentucky is a state <- is that like "titanic is real"? 21:59:46 <NGC3982> najt on faja. 21:59:50 <NGC3982> Eddi|zuHause: sure is! 22:00:10 <NGC3982> Eddi|zuHause: that titanic thingy is horrible though, and i have a more horrible note about it. 22:00:34 <Eddi|zuHause> NGC3982: it's on the internet. it must be fake. 22:00:41 <NGC3982> Eddi|zuHause: i work with telemarketing, and most of your employees are born in the middle of the 1990's. that is, most of them are barely 18. 22:00:54 <NGC3982> since i saw that picture i pasted earlier today, i asked around on the office about this. 22:01:35 <NGC3982> and a serious discussion started amongst the toddlers about the fact that "the movie might be based on a real event" 22:01:48 <Eddi|zuHause> just wait a generation or so, they'll ask "hitler was real?" 22:01:53 <NGC3982> almost no-one actually connected it to a real event. 22:02:04 <NGC3982> i was about to jump the window. 22:02:06 <Eddi|zuHause> and three or four generations it'll be "bin laten was real?" 22:02:07 <NGC3982> Eddi|zuHause: true. 22:02:21 <Eddi|zuHause> *laden 22:02:26 <MNIM> eddi: there are people thinking that already now 22:02:48 <Eddi|zuHause> MNIM: yes. but not in the sense of "i thought it was just a movie" 22:03:24 <MNIM> well 22:03:30 <MNIM> I wouldn't be too sure of that >.> 22:03:39 <NGC3982> sure, some things are hard to keep track on. for instance, i dont feel that kinds should have the common knowledge on, well, let's say: sigmund freud 22:04:08 <NGC3982> even though there is a new movie on the subject. 22:07:26 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:10:43 *** kaenkky_ [~kaenkky_@212-226-43-80-nat.elisa-mobile.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:10:57 *** kaenkky [~kaenkky_@212-226-43-80-nat.elisa-mobile.fi] has joined #openttd 22:12:36 <Djohaal> not having common knowledge on sigmund freud makes you a ignorant person if you ask me 22:13:53 <__ln__> http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/CE_marks.jpg 22:14:56 <Djohaal> damn chinese 22:15:04 *** goodger [~ben@94-30-43-248.xdsl.murphx.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:16:48 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:16:50 *** bremerjoe [57aec2c3@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 22:17:01 <bremerjoe> Good evening! 22:18:19 *** nicfer [~Administr@190.50.49.174] has joined #openttd 22:18:33 <Fori> See ya tomorrow! 22:19:21 *** Fori [4e32f179@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 22:25:18 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d0839e5.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us] 22:26:37 *** kkb110_ [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:26:59 *** kkb110_ [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 22:28:51 <nicfer> how many sets have trains that support autorefit? 22:30:21 <V453000> two? 22:30:31 <V453000> ogfx+ and ukrs2? At least two 22:30:34 <V453000> dont know if some other 22:33:45 *** bremerjoe [57aec2c3@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 22:42:10 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@bas1-ottawa08-1176111076.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 22:42:12 <drac_boy> hi 22:44:47 * drac_boy wonders if Rubidium want a bagel I had left over 22:45:33 *** mal2_ [~mal2@port-92-206-44-194.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:48:51 *** Djohaal_ [~Djohaal@189.114.235.117.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 22:50:31 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.114.235.117.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:52:38 *** nicfer [~Administr@190.50.49.174] has left #openttd [] 22:55:39 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-16-114-12.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 22:56:05 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-16-114-12.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:02:36 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 23:03:36 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B3F3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:05:52 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 23:11:46 *** Snail_ [~jacopocol@CPE78cd8e5ccf20-CM78cd8e5ccf1d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 23:32:09 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.83.64] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:48:00 <Rubidium> [4~ 23:48:57 <drac_boy> heh 23:51:08 <Eddi|zuHause> it's either an escape code or a really malformed smilie :p 23:51:32 <drac_boy> yeah I'm not sure which one it is :) 23:56:15 *** DabuYu [DoubleYou@128.250.79.185] has joined #openttd