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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 07:02:04 *** zxbiohazardzx [~IceChat77@5ED05D6D.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 07:09:55 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has joined #openttd 07:14:51 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-178-000-005-077.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 07:14:57 <xiong> If there's a Chinese car set then there should be a Chinese industry set with a dog processing plant. 07:15:07 <NGC3982> :D 07:15:16 <NGC3982> output product: food 07:15:21 <NGC3982> or ipads 07:15:47 <xiong> Also, a Chinese Toyland industry: accepts wood, lead-based paint, produces... goods. 07:15:51 <planetmaker> and Gucci hand bags 07:16:37 <zxbiohazardzx> lol 07:16:42 <NGC3982> about that, im still waiting for that soylent green grf. 07:16:47 <zxbiohazardzx> cheap products dont give you alot of profit? 07:18:32 <xiong> Actually, the fantasy that has a grip on my brain is the Halloween Total Conversion Set. All the trees are dead; road vehicles include hearses, aircraft include brooms and flying carpets; cargoes include pumpkins and eyes of newt. Instead of town buildings, headstones; and ghosts are transported in pax-type vehicles. 07:19:03 <xiong> Mind you, I'd never play this; but I can see it catching on among the goths. 07:19:25 <NGC3982> well, it's a fun thing 07:19:28 <NGC3982> and re-usable. 07:19:40 <xiong> Re-usable? 07:20:04 <NGC3982> yes, well. something to use every year, that is. 07:20:08 <xiong> Ah. 07:20:20 <NGC3982> my soylent green maps wouldnt be that much of a treat all the year round ;_;. 07:20:57 <NGC3982> although, ive been having dreams about it 07:21:07 <xiong> Then there's the flying Santa sleigh, Arctic climate only... and the Total Lawrence of Arabia Desert Climate Conversion. 07:21:21 <NGC3982> a post-apocalyptic (kinda cccp) climate 07:21:37 <NGC3982> the towns are exports 07:21:46 <NGC3982> and the industries produce food from passengers 07:21:59 <xiong> Dunno; one appeal of OTTD for me is it's one of the few games without nuclear weapons. 07:22:10 <NGC3982> hehe, true. 07:22:16 <xiong> Not that I don't like nuclear weapons! 07:22:20 *** Firartix [~artixds@222.140.0.93.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 07:24:06 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.26.172] has joined #openttd 07:25:00 <planetmaker> Not sure about the arsenal of the UFOs 07:25:47 <zxbiohazardzx> was about to mention we have UFO'S flying sometimes, and you never know what happens if they are hostile 07:28:24 *** roadt_ [~roadt@60.168.81.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:46:49 <xiong> One of the better parts of SimTower (Yoot's Tower) was the annual Santa visit. Better than the VIP. And one of the better parts of SimCity was the eco-monster. As I recall, in SC2K it shit windmills. 08:00:12 *** zooks [~zooks@195.169.109.54] has joined #openttd 08:10:42 <Markk> SimTower owns. 08:10:43 <Markk> :D 08:11:08 <Markk> I remeber that we played it at a LAN for a couple of years ago. :S 08:11:09 <Markk> :D* 08:41:53 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-68-108-131.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:42:18 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-108-131.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 08:51:39 *** zooks [~zooks@195.169.109.54] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:59:05 *** roadt_ [~roadt@60.168.81.194] has joined #openttd 09:07:36 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-14-2.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: for the love of god this is not safe for work] 09:37:09 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:42:16 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 09:42:16 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-108-131.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:42:28 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-108-131.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 09:43:49 <dihedral> Th0mash0f 09:43:53 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-166-70.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 09:51:30 <planetmaker> again? 09:52:33 *** Warod [warod@kapsi.fi] has joined #openttd 09:54:07 <dihedral> think so :-( 09:54:22 <dihedral> why on earch does xchat grab focuse when i move to an rdp session ... :-( 09:57:03 <dihedral> *earth 10:02:36 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@modemcable085.125-161-184.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 10:02:44 <drac_boy> hi 10:04:58 *** zooks [~zooks@131.174.33.66] has joined #openttd 10:19:36 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:22:40 *** drez8pa [~itr588@183.17.209.124] has joined #openttd 10:29:33 *** zooks [~zooks@131.174.33.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:34:51 *** mal2__ [~mal2@z529a.pia.fu-berlin.de] has joined #openttd 10:47:15 *** Arafangion` [~Arafangio@115.128.10.86] has joined #openttd 10:56:14 *** Arafangion` [~Arafangio@115.128.10.86] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:06:04 *** Arafangion` [~Arafangio@115.128.10.86] has joined #openttd 11:09:41 *** Arafangion` [~Arafangio@115.128.10.86] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:38:45 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@modemcable085.125-161-184.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd [I'm done being in this room!] 11:52:31 *** Arafangion` [~Arafangio@115.128.10.86] has joined #openttd 11:52:45 *** Arafangion` [~Arafangio@115.128.10.86] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:15:46 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:45c9:ea5e:e683:8834] has joined #openttd 12:15:50 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:26:26 *** mal2__ [~mal2@z529a.pia.fu-berlin.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:35:20 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-178-000-005-077.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:36:43 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@213-186-253-165.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:44:13 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-43-55.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 12:54:13 *** mal2__ [~mal2@z529a.pia.fu-berlin.de] has joined #openttd 12:54:48 <Eddi|zuHause> @ports 12:54:48 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service, a.k.a. BaNaNaS (outbound) 13:10:53 *** Elukka [Elukka@78-27-90-14.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 13:13:13 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-43-55.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:19:48 *** mal2__ [~mal2@z529a.pia.fu-berlin.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:46:42 *** mal2__ [~mal2@z529a.pia.fu-berlin.de] has joined #openttd 13:49:07 *** zxbiohazardzx [~IceChat77@5ED05D6D.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies.] 13:57:36 *** mal2__ [~mal2@z529a.pia.fu-berlin.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:00:45 <Belugas> hello 14:02:06 <FLHerne> hello? 14:02:17 <Belugas> indeed 14:02:26 <Belugas> or.. allo 14:02:29 <Belugas> salut 14:02:33 <Belugas> hi guys 14:02:39 <Eddi|zuHause> aren't you like an hour late? 14:02:39 <Belugas> depends of your preferences 14:03:00 <Belugas> well... takes time to get back on duty after a week of vacations ;) 14:03:21 <Belugas> all those pesky emails and phone messages.. 14:07:55 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d161-184-227-133.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 14:09:48 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-68-108-131.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 14:09:48 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-108-131.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:12:31 *** mal2 [~mal2@z529a.pia.fu-berlin.de] has joined #openttd 14:13:14 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-178-000-005-077.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 14:20:43 *** mal2 [~mal2@z529a.pia.fu-berlin.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:22:24 *** Miguelzinho [~Miguelzin@201.77.177.82] has joined #openttd 14:34:09 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 14:39:14 <andythenorth> xiong: 'What am I missing?' <- afaict, you're missing 'realistic acceleration' for RVs ;) 14:40:59 <andythenorth> @seen pikka 14:40:59 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: pikka was last seen in #openttd 1 day, 3 hours, 8 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <Pikka> true :) 14:41:02 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:42:43 <andythenorth> planetmaker: your post to thphwh might wear a smiley? :) 14:48:50 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 14:51:04 *** telanus1 [~Barney_Er@196.215.173.27] has joined #openttd 14:55:15 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: is there a quick walkthrough for pixa? 14:55:41 <andythenorth> no 14:55:45 <andythenorth> I need to write one 14:55:53 <andythenorth> I need a test user to write it against :) 14:56:02 <andythenorth> I am a bad teacher 14:56:25 *** telanus [~Barney_Er@196.215.173.27] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:56:33 <andythenorth> reverse engineering from BANDIT might be fastest for someone of your capability ;) 14:57:55 <Eddi|zuHause> i tried that once but didn't get anywhere 14:58:06 <andythenorth> happy to help 14:58:11 <andythenorth> I do need to document it 14:58:14 <Eddi|zuHause> my mind doesn't work on pixels 14:58:24 <andythenorth> my mind doesn't work on computer science ;) 14:58:36 <andythenorth> pixels are just vector operations 14:58:47 <Eddi|zuHause> i realize that whenever i'm trying to draw 15:00:22 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: you have pixa installed? 15:00:28 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 15:00:35 <andythenorth> you have something in mind to draw? 15:00:47 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm currenty successful at "import pixa" ;) 15:00:56 <andythenorth> do you have BANDIT checked out? 15:01:03 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: i want to colour my green boxes. 15:01:12 <Eddi|zuHause> first step: one colour 15:01:20 <Eddi|zuHause> second step: multiple regular colours 15:02:29 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: i have bandit now 15:02:33 <andythenorth> k 15:02:48 <Eddi|zuHause> and it says i modified dispatcher.py, but diff doesn't show anything... 15:02:53 <andythenorth> it's easiest for me (not sure if easiest for you) to use BANDIT to step you through the pipeline 15:02:55 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:03:20 <Eddi|zuHause> i've got about an hour at this point :) 15:03:35 <andythenorth> that's fine, I have a child and such to do to :) 15:03:47 <andythenorth> in src/pixel_generator there's a makefile 15:03:51 <andythenorth> does it work? :) 15:04:14 *** ctibor [~ctibor@77.48.229.61] has joined #openttd 15:04:18 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-178-000-005-077.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:04:42 <Eddi|zuHause> most of it 15:04:51 <Eddi|zuHause> some parts throw an error 15:04:54 <andythenorth> paste? 15:05:02 <andythenorth> could be errors by me on committing things 15:06:33 <Eddi|zuHause> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/1327/ 15:07:02 <Eddi|zuHause> IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: './intermediates/body_flat-cc1-5_8-cargo_coils-grey_metal.png' 15:07:08 <andythenorth> ok, they're tiresome, but not critical right now 15:07:22 <andythenorth> I obviously have something uncommitted here 15:07:38 <andythenorth> ignore it 15:07:45 <Eddi|zuHause> right :) 15:07:54 <andythenorth> had a look in the 'intermediates' and 'output' dirs? 15:08:05 *** Zeknurn` [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:08:17 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 15:08:46 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 15:09:27 <Eddi|zuHause> should i see differences there? 15:09:44 <andythenorth> you should see files 15:10:01 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, body_box, body_tank and body_tipping stuff 15:10:03 <andythenorth> k 15:10:17 <andythenorth> so I'll step you through different parts of pixa, and the output in those folders will vary 15:10:19 <Eddi|zuHause> in output/ prefixed with trailer 15:10:22 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:10:31 <andythenorth> had a look in 'input'? 15:10:47 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:11:18 <Eddi|zuHause> lots of colourful boxes 15:11:24 <andythenorth> got a pixel editor? 15:11:26 <andythenorth> any will do 15:12:00 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 15:12:10 <andythenorth> k 15:12:29 <andythenorth> palette_key.png might be useful to open 15:12:40 <andythenorth> and tank_body_floorplan.png from input 15:12:55 <andythenorth> [palette_key.png is in src/pixel_generator] 15:13:09 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, found it 15:13:58 <andythenorth> the other file to open is gestalts/tank_body 15:14:04 <andythenorth> tank_body.py 15:14:20 <TrueBrain> no, thank you 15:14:21 <TrueBrain> wait ..... 15:14:27 <Eddi|zuHause> yup 15:14:59 <andythenorth> k so lines 148-166 are the first to look at 15:15:10 <andythenorth> the dict keys there correspond to pixel colours in the floorplan 15:15:30 <andythenorth> in the tank floorplan you'll find 195 used for example (yellow-orane) 15:15:32 <andythenorth> +g 15:16:29 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 15:17:33 <andythenorth> if it interests you, change the sequence drawn for 195 to one of the others, then run make and look in 'intermediates' 15:17:34 <oskari89> Hmm, Simutrans with Pak128 looks like a Locomotion clone :P 15:18:01 <andythenorth> e.g change the value for 'points =' to another sequence id 15:19:01 <oskari89> But it's very crappy, even though it has openable bridges and traffic lights :P 15:19:26 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, graphics look odd now :) 15:19:37 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: you can also see the sequences defined above. e.g. tank_n_s 15:19:38 <Eddi|zuHause> for the - view 15:19:52 <andythenorth> each of those is a list of x, y offs from the starting pixel 15:19:59 <andythenorth> and a colour 15:20:15 <andythenorth> the colours are abstracted to objects e.g. pc_stripe(), but you don't need those 15:20:18 <andythenorth> that's advanced use 15:20:43 <andythenorth> try replacing all instances of 'pc_tank()' with '240' 15:20:46 <andythenorth> and make again 15:21:06 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19FE8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:21:21 <andythenorth> actually that doesn't work for some reason :o 15:21:47 <Eddi|zuHause> it's red now 15:22:02 <andythenorth> k 15:22:13 <andythenorth> so that's the basics of drawing sequences 15:22:23 <andythenorth> the scan order when drawing is from top-left 15:22:34 <andythenorth> this generally works well to get things in the right order 15:22:41 <andythenorth> and will work for boxes 15:22:48 <Eddi|zuHause> lines first? 15:22:52 <andythenorth> yes 15:22:57 <andythenorth> multi-pass compositing is possible but not essential for your first case 15:23:10 <andythenorth> you can ignore most of the pixa abstractions available, and just hard code sequences 15:23:45 <andythenorth> k next step 15:23:53 <andythenorth> if you look at l163 15:24:00 <andythenorth> transforms = [PixaShiftColour(0, 255, -1)] 15:24:07 <Eddi|zuHause> so, i make a sequence of pixels (x_offset, y_offset, colour), and a PixaSequenceCollection 15:24:12 <andythenorth> yes 15:24:15 <andythenorth> and draw a floorplan 15:24:29 <andythenorth> the transforms enable sequence reuse 15:24:44 <andythenorth> so PixaShiftColour has a range (0, 255) and a shift amount 15:25:02 <andythenorth> this enables quick reshading for lighting different faces 15:25:25 <andythenorth> those transforms (and the coloursets available) are why it's worth setting up pixa 15:25:28 <Eddi|zuHause> right. i'd file that under advanced stuff 15:25:34 <andythenorth> once setup they significantly save time 15:25:40 <andythenorth> but yes, advanced 15:25:47 <Eddi|zuHause> so how do i call the processing then? 15:26:20 <andythenorth> pixa provides a set of utilities to handle making spritesheets 15:26:43 <andythenorth> but there are also some in BANDIT's common file 15:26:52 <andythenorth> I didn't want to over-framework pixa 15:27:15 <andythenorth> this is actually the fiddliest part tbh 15:27:23 <Eddi|zuHause> assume i'm loading my file and just write out a same size file 15:27:47 <andythenorth> hmm 15:27:53 <andythenorth> I'll actually have to read my own code now :) 15:29:34 <andythenorth> it's probably easiest if you just follow back the code from the generate() function in tank_body.py 15:29:49 <andythenorth> spritesheet.render(spriterows=spriterows) <- is the key call 15:29:56 <andythenorth> everything else is scaffolding 15:30:43 <andythenorth> GestaltBodyVariation is specific to BANDIT, and essentially decodes the filenames 15:31:04 <planetmaker> andythenorth, : probably should 15:31:32 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: assuming you rely on decoded filenames to pass config data, you'll want something similar 15:31:49 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: i'd likely read that stuff from the tracking table instead 15:31:59 <andythenorth> k, that too 15:32:06 <andythenorth> it was convenient to put it all on a class 15:32:12 <Eddi|zuHause> i.e. template length and stuff 15:32:41 *** flaa [~flaa@089-101-093077.ntlworld.ie] has joined #openttd 15:33:29 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e09ee84.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 15:34:00 <andythenorth> in the simplest form, you load a floorplan image via PIL, turn it into a pixa Spritesheet, then call render() on it 15:34:28 <andythenorth> you have a PIL object in scope, and you can copy / save / modify it etc 15:35:01 <andythenorth> this may all be clear as mud :) 15:35:24 <andythenorth> I found the PIL stuff really easy tbh, it was the abstractions for coloursets and transforms that took work 15:37:50 <Eddi|zuHause> i can do abstractions myself 15:38:06 <Eddi|zuHause> it's the basic "get things to run" stuff i'm usually having problems with :) 15:38:22 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: so where do you open the floorplan? 15:40:12 <andythenorth> let's see 15:40:24 <andythenorth> get_gestalt_floorplan 15:40:41 <andythenorth> it does some extra slicing things that you won't need 15:41:17 <andythenorth> the BANDIT floorplan files (will) contain floorplans for each length 15:41:41 <andythenorth> you probably don't need the crop at all 15:41:56 <andythenorth> Image.open(stuff) will do 15:41:57 <Eddi|zuHause> nope... so floorplan = Image.open("src/gfx/template_12_8bpp_normal.png") 15:42:08 <andythenorth> yes 15:42:27 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-178-000-005-077.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:42:39 <andythenorth> which you can turn into a pixa spritesheet 15:42:39 <andythenorth> Spritesheet(width=floorplan.size[0], height=SPRITEROW_HEIGHT * row_count, palette=DOS_PALETTE) 15:42:52 <andythenorth> hmm 15:42:56 <andythenorth> actually let me check that 15:47:37 <Eddi|zuHause> spritesheet = pixa.Spritesheet(floorplan.size[0], floorplan.size[1], floorplan.palette) 15:47:43 <Eddi|zuHause> (i hope) 15:49:44 <andythenorth> yup 15:49:47 <andythenorth> ah 15:49:58 <andythenorth> there's a horrible PIL gotcha around palettes 15:50:06 <andythenorth> they don't quite work properly :P 15:50:30 <andythenorth> load the palette from my DOS_PALETTE 15:50:36 <andythenorth> otherwise you have unexpected problems 15:50:44 <andythenorth> l118 in common.py 15:51:06 <Eddi|zuHause> what's the problem? 15:51:10 *** adi1000 [59002a40@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:51:25 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, i'll fix that later... let's see if i can go on from here 15:51:34 <Eddi|zuHause> you now do some weird stuff with spriterows 15:51:47 <Eddi|zuHause> of which i'd probably only need one 15:51:59 <adi1000> hi i have a problem with openttd 1.2... it wont start on win7 32bit, after i double-click it crashes... 15:53:09 <Eddi|zuHause> apparently i switched out c and v when i put it together yesterday... :p 15:53:53 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@175.137.102.249] has joined #openttd 15:56:48 <Eddi|zuHause> >>> seq = pixa.PixaSequence(points = [(0,0,240)]) 15:56:49 <Eddi|zuHause> >>> sc = pixa.PixaSequenceCollection(sequences = { 86 : seq }) 15:56:52 *** KouDy [~KouDy@175.137.102.249] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:57:09 <Eddi|zuHause> if i understand this right, this should replace all pixels with colour 86 with colour 240. right? 15:58:12 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: what's "colourset"? 16:00:27 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: yes that should switch all pixels from 86 to 240 16:00:39 <andythenorth> when facing pixa problems, I find it easiest to think about single pixels :P 16:00:55 <andythenorth> 'colourset' enables colours to be substituted during the render pass 16:01:22 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: apparently i don't get away with not specifying it :) 16:01:44 <andythenorth> {'seq': get_cargo_load(cargo_path, load_state, i), 'colourset': None}, 16:01:46 <andythenorth> use None 16:01:55 <andythenorth> maybe it should accept that :P 16:02:02 <andythenorth> i.e. default to None 16:02:29 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: use "render_pass.get('colourset', None)"? 16:02:43 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: instead of "render_pass['colourset']" 16:02:48 <andythenorth> yes probably 16:02:53 <andythenorth> pixa is open for patches ;) 16:03:05 * andythenorth afk for 10 mins 16:03:45 * Rhamphoryncus goes and modifies his newgrf settings 16:04:02 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: that seems to have worked. lots of red 16:04:43 <Rhamphoryncus> 240 tonnes of grain/sugar beets -> bio refinery -> fertilizer plant -> transfer back to bio refinery -> farm resulted in only 11 crates of farm supplies 16:04:44 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: i think that suffices for now. i g2g 16:07:31 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: condensed version of what i just did http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/1328/ 16:12:00 <planetmaker> Rhamphoryncus, that's called "conservation of matter" :-) 16:12:06 <planetmaker> Loss is everywhere ;-) 16:12:09 <Rhamphoryncus> heh 16:12:34 * telanus1 that should be enough translating for one evening 16:13:08 <Rhamphoryncus> It's because I'm trying a different style to utilize farmsup/engsup better, so the ratings are garbage 16:13:22 <Rhamphoryncus> Thus changing newgrf settings, to set it to "always 100%" 16:13:37 * telanus1 afrikaans went from 95.5% to 97.2% translated (+30 fixed) 16:13:45 *** telanus1 is now known as telanus 16:13:53 <Rhamphoryncus> telanus: nice :) 16:15:41 <telanus> but there is about 20% that needs re-translation, as these % didn't keep up with changes 16:15:44 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590d5493.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:17:38 <planetmaker> that's the work which does not immediately show :-) 16:17:46 <planetmaker> but which is equally valuable 16:18:36 *** mal2 [~mal2@port-92-206-81-172.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 16:19:57 *** adi1000 [59002a40@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 16:25:56 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: looks good 16:26:11 * andythenorth ponders a 'hello world' example that procedurally generates 'hello world' 16:26:19 <andythenorth> seems the most obvious tutorial 16:29:08 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5153E8CC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:31:47 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host81-129-125-202.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:50:03 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 16:52:24 *** mal2 [~mal2@port-92-206-81-172.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:56:38 <Rhamphoryncus> andythenorth: how flexible is the "within a month of eachother" code? For a sawmill (2/8 for one, 6/8 for the other) would I get the same result regardless of who arrived first? 16:56:58 <andythenorth> Rhamphoryncus: it's brutally simple 16:57:38 <Rhamphoryncus> Well, I noticed before that it checks dates, rather than just "delivered in current month", so it's not TOO simple :) 16:57:40 <andythenorth> produce_secondary.pnml 16:58:00 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5153E8CC.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 16:58:29 <andythenorth> l82-84 17:00:20 <Rhamphoryncus> The leftover/waiting parts I don't understand 17:00:29 <Rhamphoryncus> It doesn't really matter. I was just curious 17:00:58 <andythenorth> I don't understand the leftover/waiting parts either 17:01:04 <andythenorth> I'm trusting that they work 17:01:13 <Rhamphoryncus> lol 17:01:16 <andythenorth> but yes, you get the same result for all cargos 17:01:35 *** Arafangion [~Arafangio@220-244-108-23.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:01:47 <andythenorth> and it's tied to THIS_PRODUCTION_SPAN, which appeared be a variable per-industry last time I checked 17:01:58 * Rhamphoryncus nods 17:02:03 <andythenorth> 30 days 17:02:12 <andythenorth> could / should be a global 17:02:28 <Rhamphoryncus> Different note: is there an RV with a real lumber sprite? 17:02:31 <andythenorth> ? 17:03:04 <Rhamphoryncus> ATP flatbed truck is displaying big cylinders 17:03:15 <andythenorth> batteries from toyland? 17:03:27 <Rhamphoryncus> yeah, could be.. 17:03:33 * Rhamphoryncus hopes he didn't break something 17:11:49 *** peteris [~peteris@78.84.100.24] has joined #openttd 17:16:52 <Rhamphoryncus> ... google streetview just drove past 17:18:20 <Terkhen> hello 17:18:45 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host81-129-125-202.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 12.0/20120411064248]] 17:19:44 *** Aciid [aciid@lakka.kapsi.fi] has joined #openttd 17:19:50 <Aciid> signals how the ef they work 17:19:53 <Aciid> oh I think I got this 17:19:56 <Aciid> *crashed* 17:19:57 <Aciid> fffffuuuu 17:20:05 <Rhamphoryncus> one man play? 17:20:19 <Aciid> sure 17:21:27 <Rhamphoryncus> We've all been there 17:21:37 <Rhamphoryncus> But if you've got a more specific question then go ahead 17:21:52 *** AD [wilberforc@drinks.mountaindew.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:21:58 *** AD [wilberforc@drinks.mountaindew.org] has joined #openttd 17:22:34 *** AD is now known as Guest560 17:23:20 *** drez8pa [~itr588@183.17.209.124] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:27:55 <Aciid> Rhamphoryncus: more like I was describing my failure :D 17:27:58 <Aciid> I'm allrite 17:28:02 <Rhamphoryncus> k :) 17:28:28 <Rhamphoryncus> I've tons of experience. I still get the occasional crash 17:29:03 <andythenorth> 7 open FIRS bugs 17:40:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r24122 /trunk/src/lang/ (afrikaans.txt danish.txt french.txt): 17:40:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:40:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: afrikaans - 139 changes by telanus 17:40:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: danish - 3 changes by beruic 17:40:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: french - 1 changes by OliTTD 17:41:57 <Terkhen> andythenorth: I'm checking mine now 17:44:23 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host139-62-dynamic.252-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:44:32 <Wolf01> evenink 17:44:44 <Terkhen> hi Wolf01 17:47:07 *** telanus1 [~Barney_Er@196.215.173.27] has joined #openttd 17:47:23 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-250-2-219.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 17:47:26 <supermop> yo dudes 17:47:42 <supermop> can a new object be passable 17:47:49 <andythenorth> ? 17:48:02 <supermop> like, a boat can drive over it 17:48:26 <andythenorth> nope 17:48:30 <supermop> some special tile, eye candy tthat you place on water 17:48:30 <andythenorth> not without cheating :P 17:48:37 <supermop> cheating how? 17:49:22 <andythenorth> offset the sprites 17:49:34 <supermop> well ive done plenty of that 17:50:00 <supermop> but certainly some objects can occupy water without blocking it? 17:50:23 <supermop> like a bouy or the loading point on a water industry? 17:51:50 <Terkhen> buoys are more like "stations" than "objects" 17:52:15 <supermop> yeah, 17:52:34 <Rhamphoryncus> "currently running 586 days late". 88 day timetable 17:52:51 <supermop> oh well then 17:52:54 <Rhamphoryncus> I went to demolish a RV depot and found a timetabled vehicle I never started :) 17:54:05 *** telanus [~Barney_Er@196.215.173.27] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:54:19 <Terkhen> urgh, the oil wells industry tile animation code is different in both FIRS and OpenGFX+ Industries, now I need to actually understand what the fix does 17:54:34 <andythenorth> :( 17:55:10 <andythenorth> on the positive side 17:55:16 <andythenorth> I missed that this had changed http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Callback:_Industry_availability 17:55:35 <andythenorth> if I've understood this correctly, I should be able to better force industries to appear 17:55:43 <Terkhen> nice :) 17:56:04 <andythenorth> e.g. OpenTTD never builds FIRS aluminium plants (available 1920 or so) if you start in 1870 17:56:17 <andythenorth> 'never' being a subjective measure of 'not often enough' :P 17:58:18 <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3588 17:58:25 <andythenorth> ^ andythenorth hates parameter stuff 17:58:33 <andythenorth> did Yexo find a house yet? :) 18:01:11 <Rhamphoryncus> andythenorth: that's also a much better way to disable industries after the game start 18:01:46 <andythenorth> I re-read that bug report, I'm not actually sure I understand it 18:01:53 <andythenorth> (3588) 18:02:14 <Rhamphoryncus> The report itself is very confusing 18:02:51 <Rhamphoryncus> The point is: if you turn off "industries can open during gameplay" they ALSO turn off during map generation 18:03:18 <andythenorth> is the bug report about the text string, or the feature? 18:03:25 <Rhamphoryncus> They don't know 18:03:47 <Rhamphoryncus> The feature is broken so the text doesn't match what it really does 18:03:57 <andythenorth> hmm 18:04:07 <Rhamphoryncus> So fix the feature and all will be well 18:05:00 <andythenorth> Rhamphoryncus: you verified it doesn't work yesterday? 18:05:03 <Rhamphoryncus> yep 18:05:06 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-050-067.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 18:05:10 <andythenorth> can you extend the report? 18:05:31 <Rhamphoryncus> sure 18:05:35 <andythenorth> thanks 18:05:37 <andythenorth> will help 18:08:08 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-178-000-005-077.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:14:43 *** jo2k [~Jonny@dslb-094-222-139-023.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:15:45 <Terkhen> andythenorth: I was going to test my code, but I managed to reproduce FS 5151 again :P 18:15:51 <andythenorth> he 18:16:06 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@175.137.102.249] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:18:17 <Rhamphoryncus> andythenorth: let me know if that clears it up enough 18:20:13 <andythenorth> thanks 18:20:30 <andythenorth> seems like 'incomplete feature' rather than minor bug 18:21:15 <Rhamphoryncus> if incomplete means non-functional, yes :) 18:21:39 <Rhamphoryncus> I'll put together some proposed replacement text for the parameter 18:22:43 <andythenorth> thanks 18:23:25 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.26.172] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 18:23:51 * Rhamphoryncus notes that completely disabling industries is kind of pointless XD 18:24:50 <Rhamphoryncus> also, 2**3 == 8, not 6.. 18:25:14 <andythenorth> it's a feature to only support scenarios 18:25:35 <andythenorth> it has no other valid cases :P 18:26:23 <Rhamphoryncus> Scenarios can leave map generation enabled 18:26:43 <Rhamphoryncus> But I suppose it's clearer to have an explicit option 18:33:00 <Rhamphoryncus> andythenorth: done 18:36:21 <Terkhen> andythenorth: I successfully backported ogfx-industries code, should I commit? 18:36:26 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-78-45-92-151.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 18:37:32 <andythenorth> Terkhen: \p/ 18:37:48 <andythenorth> Rhamphoryncus: so far wrt map gen, we've said 'use the map gen setting for no industry' 18:37:56 <Terkhen> I'll commit as soon as I manage to get my key working 18:38:40 <Rhamphoryncus> Alright 18:41:12 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:42:18 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d086455.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:45:32 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 18:48:31 <telanus1> what's this suppose to mean? "Vehicle data to base jumping on" 18:50:52 *** jo2k [~Jonny@dslb-094-222-139-023.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: jo2k] 18:52:40 <NGC3982> two monitors really, really improves this game. 18:52:58 <NGC3982> http://www.flickr.com/photos/appemobile/7084791761/in/photostream 18:55:46 <frosch123> telanus1: i guess it's a tooltip in the order gui when setting up conditional orders 18:57:20 <frosch123> telanus1: http://wiki.openttd.org/Conditional_Orders <- probably the tooltip behind the "vehicle age" button in that second last picture 19:01:32 <telanus1> thank you 19:01:39 <Rhamphoryncus> telanus1: if frosch123 is right then translate all you want, they still won't understand it ;) 19:02:20 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host81-129-125-202.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:03:04 <frosch123> Rhamphoryncus: maybe he translated it with a reference to the manual? :p 19:03:18 <Rhamphoryncus> I stand by my position 19:04:49 <telanus1> Rhamphoryncus: halve the afrikaans speakers won't understand that sentence 19:05:14 <Rhamphoryncus> I barely understand the english version 19:07:04 <telanus1> But then 90% of the afrikaans translation of programs on the net is nothing more than Dutch with Afrikaans spelling. And causes nobody to use it :( 19:08:19 <frosch123> there are certainly some crappy ottd videos on yt 19:10:07 <telanus1> some linux apps' Afrikaans translations is so bad it's useless. 19:12:34 <__ln__> thedailyofftopic: how do i find the Taylor series for (5+x^2)/(x^3-3x+2)? 19:12:51 <__ln__> at x = 0 19:13:10 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-89-240.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 19:14:48 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.26.172] has joined #openttd 19:15:27 <telanus1> Quick Question: {BLACK}Town is {RED}not{BLACK} growing would translate to {BLACK}Dorp groei {RED}nie. 19:15:28 <telanus1> Should I add the {black} command at the end without anything behind it like: {BLACK}Dorp groei {RED}nie{BLACK}? 19:17:56 <Rhamphoryncus> Ergh. I want to transfer and load at the same station :( 19:18:37 <frosch123> telanus1: you can add and remove colour control codes as you like 19:18:46 <frosch123> no need to keep the black 19:18:51 <frosch123> at the end 19:19:21 <telanus1> Webtranslator complains: Missing a {BLACK} command 19:20:15 * andythenorth -> pub 19:20:17 <andythenorth> bye 19:20:20 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 19:21:39 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@bas1-ottawa08-1177643171.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 19:21:41 <drac_boy> hi 19:21:50 <frosch123> telanus1: ok, then blame TrueBrain :) 19:22:27 <telanus1> :-D 19:22:45 <TrueBrain> frosch123: there you are mistaken; translations have to have the same colour markings as the original :) 19:25:02 <frosch123> so translators cannot be creative with colours? 19:25:08 <TrueBrain> exactly 19:25:33 <TrueBrain> no translator can make a {RED}O{YELLOW}P{RED}E{YELLOW}N{BLACK}TTD 19:25:44 <TrueBrain> for the obvious reasons 19:26:41 <__ln__> what about languages that need to be written with different colors, like italian?!? 19:26:41 <telanus1> so it's ok to use this : {BLACK}Dorp groei {RED}nie{BLACK} 19:27:24 <TrueBrain> it should 19:27:38 <TrueBrain> dunno tbh; guess you have a first there *shrug* 19:27:39 <TrueBrain> ask Rubidium :D 19:31:38 <NGC3982> futurama or american dad? 19:33:23 <telanus1> Futurama 19:33:56 <drac_boy> NGC3982 neither for me :P 19:37:50 <drac_boy> got a new 'worlds toughest truckers' on this night tho. wondering if thats the show hosted by IRT again 19:39:33 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host81-129-125-202.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 12.0/20120411064248]] 19:41:55 * drac_boy is working a bit on the grf worktable and that old computer list now tho 19:45:05 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host81-129-125-202.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:56:39 <frosch123> why are all ottd videos on yt like gold league? 19:57:05 <drac_boy> umm no idea? 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BOPM (2012-04-16 20:33:19)] 20:30:22 <__ln__> https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/4/15/5 20:31:41 <SpComb> we need to dumb down the kernel, you can't expect people to actually learn stuff these days 20:32:03 <SpComb> outsource development to Microsoft, some nice Visual Studio wizard thingie 20:33:32 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19FE8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:34:15 <drac_boy> heh ms? no thanks :) 20:35:40 <Terkhen> good night 20:36:38 <drac_boy> bye Terkhen 20:42:21 *** Penguin66606 [430294e3@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 20:42:25 <frosch123> night 20:42:28 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590d5493.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:42:36 <Penguin66606> I need help with multiplayer 20:43:18 <drac_boy> what is it Penguin66606? 20:44:16 <__ln__> it's a type of game where many players play at once on the same map 20:44:36 <Mazur> Hey, that's my job! 20:44:49 <drac_boy> its not mazur :p 20:44:56 <Penguin66606> I'm trying to set up a multiplayer server between me and my Girlfriend, but I follow the directions, and the servers don't show. 20:45:04 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host81-129-125-202.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:45:30 <drac_boy> Penguin66606 you need to set the ports in your router unless your computer is directly connected (either 56k or your ethernet cable runs staight to the dsl/cable modem somehow) 20:45:31 <Mazur> Well, I'm still the king of stating the bleeding obvious. 20:45:54 <Mazur> And reacting to the literal rather than the intended sentence. 20:46:06 <Penguin66606> Alright, I'll try that. 20:46:56 <Mazur> Add server sometimes does the trick as well, at the server list page. 20:47:30 <__ln__> Mazur: you're a fan of the Airplane! movie too? 20:48:04 <Mazur> Does a bear take the paper into the woods? 20:48:47 <Mazur> And don't call me Shirley. 20:49:14 <__ln__> that's right 20:49:35 <Mazur> The best bit for me is the jiving old white lady. 20:49:43 *** tegro_ [~undefined@78-105-226-68.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:53:00 *** tegro [~undefined@78-105-226-68.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:53:17 <Penguin66606> Alright, now I need to see if she'll find the server. 20:56:23 *** peteris [~peteris@78.84.100.24] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 20:57:00 <Eddi|zuHause> i clearly haven't seen that movie often enough... 20:57:32 <Eddi|zuHause> Penguin66606: if it's shown on http://servers.openttd.org then she should also be able to see it 20:59:18 <Penguin66606> It's not there. 21:02:07 <Eddi|zuHause> @ports 21:02:07 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service, a.k.a. BaNaNaS (outbound) 21:02:21 <Eddi|zuHause> Penguin66606: you need to open both TCP and UDP ports 21:02:35 <Eddi|zuHause> and redirect them to your local IP 21:02:37 <Penguin66606> I have. 21:02:46 <Penguin66606> how do I do that? 21:02:49 <Eddi|zuHause> and then also open them on your local firewall 21:03:04 <Eddi|zuHause> Penguin66606: that depends on your router 21:05:11 <Penguin66606> I have a Linksys, and I set it to 21:05:22 <Penguin66606> Application:openttd 21:06:05 <Penguin66606> start:39789 end:3979 21:06:37 <Penguin66606> protocol to both TCP and UDP 21:07:01 <drac_boy> Penguin66606 sometimes you need to write it as openttd.exe instead 21:07:07 <drac_boy> not sure why some routers are fussy for that 21:07:14 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@213-186-253-165.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 21:07:19 <Penguin66606> alright, I'll try that. 21:07:37 *** telanus1 [~Barney_Er@196.215.173.27] has left #openttd [] 21:07:38 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:08:20 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 21:09:27 <Penguin66606> Alright, I don't think it'll work because I'm running Linux, and it doesn't have the support for .exe files. 21:10:15 <drac_boy> oh linux..hm..not sure what stuffix that would had been then 21:10:16 <FLHerne> Use a linux binary then? 21:10:28 * FLHerne misses the point 21:10:43 * FLHerne realises which point he missed :-(] 21:11:50 <Penguin66606> I don't even know how to do that haha. I'm not really a comp. tech, I just got Ubuntu because Windows doesn't like my comp. 21:12:02 <drac_boy> heh FLHerne :-p 21:13:51 * FLHerne isn't sure he did miss the point, actually :| 21:14:48 <FLHerne> [offtopic] Turns out that dwarf hamsters like to eat congealed raspberry jam :P [/offtopic] 21:15:19 <Eddi|zuHause> sounds slimey 21:16:25 <FLHerne> At least it stops them trying to eat my scrollwheel... :D 21:16:42 *** globester [~bleat@5ED43EA2.cm-7-5a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: <^bOog3ymAn_> give me the command to pu it in the popups when i click on to run a file who is in the file script] 21:19:25 <FLHerne> Penguin66606: <I'm running Linux, and it doesn't have the support for .exe files> Did you mean you were using a linux binary, so .exe wouldn't be useful for your router, or that you're trying to use a .exe on linux for some reason? 21:19:31 <Wolf01> 'night 21:19:34 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host139-62-dynamic.252-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:20:41 <Penguin66606> I'm running linux binary, so .exe arent useful. 21:21:49 <FLHerne> That seems like the right answer :P 21:22:40 <FLHerne> Was a bit confused -__- 21:22:58 <Penguin66606> okay lol 21:25:32 * FLHerne is easily confused :| 21:25:59 <drac_boy> heh 21:26:13 <drac_boy> you're doing too much patchypatchings then FLHerne :P 21:28:23 <FLHerne> True :P 21:29:23 * drac_boy borks FLHerne with serial i/o datas 21:29:25 <drac_boy> :) 21:30:01 * FLHerne sends back some EEPROM page overflow bugs 21:30:05 <FLHerne> :D 21:30:50 <FLHerne> I keep trying to fit 65 bytes in a page, then get surprised when complete nonsense comes out :P 21:33:33 <drac_boy> you're funny :) 21:33:45 * drac_boy is actually trying to work out some bus design choices tho :/ 21:34:25 * FLHerne is trying to design an automatic model railway 21:34:45 <FLHerne> That kind of stupid bug isn't funny at the time :-( 21:34:52 <Penguin66606> alright, when I create a server after forwarding the ports, do I use my computers IP address, or the routers IP? 21:34:58 <drac_boy> btw don't forget to start small on that layout :p 21:35:09 <drac_boy> Penguin66606 computer ip always afaik 21:35:33 <Penguin66606> alright, thanks 21:36:30 <FLHerne> Penguin66606: What are you doing with the IP? Putting it into the server? 21:36:50 <FLHerne> Or giving it to someone else? 21:37:37 <Penguin66606> Putting it in the server 21:38:18 * FLHerne wonders why the server needs to know its own IP 21:39:37 <FLHerne> Sending it to BaNaNaS would need the external address of the router, localhost would do for loopbacks? 21:39:50 * FLHerne is confused again :-( 21:40:11 <Penguin66606> I'm very confuse O.o 21:41:00 <glx> in openttd.cfg ? 21:42:47 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-207-65.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:47:18 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:47:58 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has quit [Quit: Popidopidopido] 21:52:12 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host81-129-125-202.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 12.0/20120411064248]] 21:54:39 <Eddi|zuHause> Penguin66606: the IP entry in openttd.cfg is only relevant if you have multiple network cards. in 99% of the cases you just leave it as 0.0.0.0 21:54:46 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 21:56:01 <Penguin66606> okay. 22:02:55 *** Lachie [whitey@creep.bur.st] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:05:39 *** brambles [brambles@79.133.200.49] has joined #openttd 22:05:48 *** mal2 [~mal2@port-92-206-81-172.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 22:10:44 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 22:31:05 *** Penguin66606 [430294e3@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 22:32:21 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.26.172] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 22:33:36 *** posidon [4019a432@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 22:34:02 <posidon> hey I was wondering how I get my own server, do I need a server client or will I need to purchase one? 22:34:35 *** lobster [~lobster@178.19.113.126] has joined #openttd 22:34:46 <posidon> hey I was wondering how I get my own server, do I need a server client or will I need to purchase one? 22:35:26 * drac_boy bonks posidon for both spamming and maybe not reading the very simple www.openttd.org website first 22:35:51 <posidon> I did read, however I didnt find any useful information there 22:35:59 <posidon> and I did not mean to spam I appologise 22:36:27 <drac_boy> posidon you mean you didn't see the obvious big "multiplayer" or "server" links? 22:36:31 <posidon> not any useful information regarding the topic of my question 22:37:01 <posidon> I did see the "server links" however I didnt see any direct corolation towards how to host a server 22:37:07 <posidon> I will take a look again 22:37:19 <drac_boy> posidon...try Documentation and look again 22:40:22 <posidon> I did check again but found no results could you please just point me towards the section I need to look at, I went to the manual link on openttd.org and I checked the server link but only found the current running servers 22:41:28 <drac_boy> manual>gameplay>multiplayer 22:41:43 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:42:51 <lobster> [00:38] <GoneWacko> http://wiki.openttd.org/Dedicated_server 22:42:54 <lobster> check that 22:46:04 <posidon> I did check them both, thank you guys and I am sorry if I inadvertently upset anyone 22:47:08 <lobster> not me, that for sure 22:47:17 <lobster> always be welcome to ask 22:51:23 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-166-70.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [] 23:09:20 *** posidon [4019a432@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 23:20:38 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d086455.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us] 23:29:47 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-24-200.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 23:35:39 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-210-192.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:40:17 *** A75471629 [~A75471629@cho94-8-88-178-12-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 23:40:45 *** A75471629 [~A75471629@1RDAAAYFE.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:41:24 *** A5fa3237b [~A5fa3237b@cho94-8-88-178-12-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 23:41:48 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:44:25 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@bas1-ottawa08-1177643171.dsl.bell.ca] has left #openttd [I'm done being in this room!]