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00:54:54  <KByte> Hello.  I have been studying the openttd source code, and I cannot seem to to find out how it retrieves the master gamelist.  The closest thing I have found is a NetworkGameList class, but it just adds NetworkGameInfo objects to a list
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07:33:21  <NGC3982> man, this day goes so slow, i might even play some ttd while working.
07:33:22  <NGC3982> :(
07:40:49  <telanus1> :(
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07:44:11  <Nat_aS> hi
07:44:23  <Nat_aS> and how is that a bad thing?
07:47:30  <Eddi|zuHause> which poor person works today...
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07:56:39  <Nat_aS> I just got back from work
07:56:42  <Nat_aS> Done for the week
07:56:46  <Nat_aS> Thursday is my friday
07:56:51  <Nat_aS> although it's friday when I get done
07:56:53  <Nat_aS> :P
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08:10:35  <NGC3982> i just noticed something fantastic
08:10:45  <NGC3982> the energy output in CERN is about 6TeV
08:11:12  <NGC3982> that is the kinetic energy of two or three mosquitos
08:11:35  <Hazzard> ?
08:11:38  <NGC3982> that energy provides the Atlas detector with 40*10^15 petabytes of information - per second.
08:12:20  <NGC3982> it certanly gives a new picture on how information density works in the universe
08:16:59  <Nat_aS> two mosquitos?
08:17:32  <Nat_aS> as in how much energy they burn to stay alive. or how much energy you would get if you collided them with anti-mosquitos?
08:19:04  <NGC3982> the latter
08:19:49  <NGC3982> hm, i guess it's more like five or six
08:20:39  <Nat_aS> well that's a way to make a lot of energy sound like not a lot of energy
08:21:03  <Nat_aS> if we had easy access to anti-mosquitos, we could solve all our energy problems
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08:22:10  <Nat_aS> as well as ending malaria and other mosquito born desieases, and making being outside in the summer more enjoyable.
08:23:53  <NGC3982> uhm, well. yes.
08:24:15  <NGC3982> the same energy output is created when colliding a non-anti mosquiot aswell
08:24:17  <NGC3982> that is.
08:24:27  <NGC3982> and yes, the speed makes the exponential kick
08:24:41  <NGC3982> about three meters per second from the speed of light
08:24:44  <NGC3982> per proton bunch
08:25:15  <Hazzard> How fast are the 2 mosquitos going?
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08:37:16  <Nat_aS> too bad you need to use whole hamsters (estimation) worth of energy to keep the thing running
08:47:14  <NGC3982> :D
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12:31:32  <Alberth> Haha, crazy people, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RWH2jka_8g  the first FreeRCT video, spending almost 7 minutes talking about the project, just showing the front-page, the empty download section, and the blog :D
12:32:01  <NGC3982> in CSS, can i set the frequency of text-decoration:blink?
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12:32:33  <Alberth> a grequency of 0Hz is definitely possible :p
12:33:06  <NGC3982> ;)
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12:36:15  <Alberth> css 2.1 cannot according to my book
12:43:11  <NGC3982> i dumped the idea
12:43:18  <NGC3982> it was mostly annoying.
12:43:19  <NGC3982> :)
12:44:29  <Alberth> I would have to agree with that :)
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14:14:36  <Terkhen> hello
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14:30:46  * Alberth waves hi
14:33:53  * telanus1 waves back
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14:41:02  <Terkhen> hi Alberth, telanus1 and Belugas :)
14:41:08  <Terkhen> and happy friday too :P
14:41:54  <Belugas> hi hi :)
14:41:59  <Belugas> sweet friday indeed
14:42:06  <Belugas> 3 days weekend coming in
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14:43:25  <Alberth> I am already near the end of the 2nd day of my 4 day weekend :p
14:47:37  <Terkhen> nice :P
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17:13:49  <__ln__> so... if i have e.g. 1 second (8000 samples) of audio, and that's fast-fourier-transformed, the result is 8000 items of the spectrum?
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17:16:56  <__ln__> and in any case, if the result is the spectrum, how does the inverse transform know how to put it back together in chronological order?
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17:18:37  <planetmaker> __ln__: the FFT cannot ever give you 8000 samples, but a power of 2. If asked to do otherwise, it's both slower and will taper with 0 the missing entries
17:18:38  <blathijs> __ln__: A spectrum analysis just tries to approximate the original signal from a number of sine waves
17:19:10  <blathijs> __ln__: So the reverse is just summing 8000 sine waves, with amplitudes equal to the spectrum values
17:19:49  <opa> sine + cosine
17:20:29  <blathijs> opa: Cosine is just phase-shifted sine
17:20:32  <planetmaker> y(t) = A1*sin(omega1*t) + A2*omega2*t + A3*sin(omega3*t) + ...
17:20:49  <blathijs> and the result of a FFT are complex values, where the imaginary part is the phase shift IIRC
17:20:54  <opa> fft gives you complex values. usually just the amplitude is plotted
17:20:56  <__ln__> planetmaker: well true, i know the length needs to be 2^n
17:20:59  <planetmaker> the FFT will give you the A1 ... AN while the original the y1
17:21:37  <blathijs> I also think the number of spectrum values does not equal the number of samples, but it is limited by it
17:21:51  <blathijs> Hmm, or not exactly
17:22:05  <planetmaker> yep. No point to have higher freq. than the Nyquist theorem indicates implausible
17:22:15  <blathijs> the max frequency is limited by the sample frequency, not sure about the number of spectrum values though
17:22:52  <blathijs> if you stay below the Nyquist limit (.5 * sample freq, right?), you could have an arbitrary number of spectrum values I think
17:22:53  <opa> 8000 samples gives 4000 complex values
17:22:55  <opa> i thinl
17:23:08  <opa> nyquist halvrs the number
17:23:27  <blathijs> At least in general Fourier Transform, FFT might have more specific constraints
17:23:47  <opa> using more than 0.5 causes aliasing
17:24:02  <planetmaker> blathijs: max freq. is N/2. And then you can get at most sensibly 2*N or so as lowest freq
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17:26:25  <opa> to the original question: the phase information contains what can be thought as the chronology within the window
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17:26:50  <__ln__> opa: hmmm.... i see.
17:27:19  <logic1485> can i ask something :p
17:28:25  <blathijs> opa: Ah, indeed
17:28:35  <__ln__> so if the audio clip contains e.g. the word "Hello" spoken out, the same clip reversed ("olleh") doesn't have the same spectrum at all?
17:28:45  <FLHerne> logic1485: "Don't ask to ask, just ask" according to the subject line of this channel :P
17:28:48  <blathijs> logic1485: The topic says "Don't ask to ask, just ask", so I guess the answer is yes
17:28:57  <opa> fft has this odd behaviour that incresing the window increases only the frequency resolution. the noise stays at the same level
17:31:29  <opa> __ln__ if you are talking about fft output, then yes. if you mean the frequency power spectrum then no
17:32:03  <opa> usually spectrum refers to the second one
17:32:23  <__ln__> btw, i don't know of any other channels where one gets quick and detailed answers for such a wide range of topics, such as linear algebra, history, poetry, fourier transforms. :)
17:32:32  <opa> it is obtained by squaring the fft output and phase info is lost them
17:32:50  <logic1485> bleh...i was bored
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17:33:39  <planetmaker> lol
17:35:39  <opa> don't you laugh! dsp is a serious issue
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17:37:30  <Alberth> oh, *that*'s why you ask in a game-related channel about dsps :)
17:38:47  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r24262 /trunk/src/lang/ (catalan.txt dutch.txt latvian.txt russian.txt spanish.txt): (log message trimmed)
17:38:47  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:38:47  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: catalan - 29 changes by arnau, mtormo
17:38:47  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: dutch - 9 changes by habell
17:38:47  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: latvian - 25 changes by Parastais
17:38:48  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: russian - 23 changes by Lone_Wolf
17:38:48  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: slovenian - 2 changes by
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18:50:52  <Zuu> So, I've translated 20 strings or so, but there is still so many to go.
18:51:15  <Zuu> I think I'll leve the rest for some other day or perhapse even someone else. :-)
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19:00:17  <Wolf01> evenink
19:05:04  <Alberth> evenink
19:11:12  <Zuu> oddink
19:12:58  <Terkhen> Zuu: I have been doing 30 or so everyday for days  :P
19:13:06  <Terkhen> not today though, I'm on my break
19:18:57  <Zuu> hehe, actually I'm a bit alergic to having odd number of unused/used batteries in a hearing aid battery case :-)
19:19:32  <Zuu> Its so imperfect :-)
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19:34:14  <Yexo> good evening
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19:41:27  <planetmaker> hello Yexo :-)
19:41:31  <Zuu> hello Yexo
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20:37:36  <nicfer> hi everyone
20:38:16  <nicfer> I've installed chillcore patchpack, tried to copy newgrf from my main installation but none show up
20:38:30  <nicfer> (I've copied also openttd.cfg)
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20:40:02  <planetmaker> Many NewGRFs are too new meanwhile to work with chillpp
20:40:23  <planetmaker> newgrf-wise chillpp is 6 ... 9 months old. And loads of things changed
20:40:33  <planetmaker> rather 9
20:40:58  <planetmaker> tbh, I can't be arsed anymore to release newgrfs for pre-1.2 OpenTTD versions.
20:41:33  <planetmaker> many things got much easier to write for 1.2 from the newgrf author's pov
20:43:16  <FLHerne> chillpack is also before the folders got rearranged, isn't it?
20:43:51  <Yexo> yes
20:43:53  <Wolf01> http://9gag.com/gag/4196843 lolwut?
20:44:16  <Wolf01> "opTHOMAS Prime."
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20:55:00  <__ln__> http://www.ruv.is/ruv/ http://www.flightradar24.com/ICE689
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21:11:45  <Wolf01> 'night
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21:36:13  <FLHerne> Did the cargo classes change in FIRS? I used to be able to put scrap metal onto UKRS2 flat wagons - now I can't :-(
21:38:17  <V453000> long time ago I think
21:38:29  <V453000> but yes that label changed
21:43:31  <FLHerne> Presumably 0.7.0? Do you know why?
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21:45:35  <planetmaker> the cargo classes were changed
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21:52:39  <FLHerne> I know, but why?
21:53:05  <FLHerne> Or do you mean the entire system?
21:53:11  <V453000> yes
21:57:17  <planetmaker> FLHerne: the previously chosen classes for that cargo were sub-optimal. Thus for the sake of future a better set of classes were chosen for that cargo (or rather the replacement cargo)
21:59:05  <FLHerne> Are you sure? IMO, the vehicles that could transport it before seemed more suitable...
22:01:58  <V453000> I guess it wasnt just about the vehicles, vehicles can be adjusted just as well now, the problem was that the general structure got extra messy from what I understood from the discussions
22:02:07  <V453000> so it needed some resystematization
22:02:54  <FLHerne> Probably true. Maybe I should try and get Pikkabird to change UKRS2 to match then :P
22:03:23  <FLHerne> Also, this autorefitting makes dealing with supplies and farms so much easier :D
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22:17:52  <FLHerne> 'night
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23:26:47  <nicfer> I've spotted a glitch, I've got a station with PBS entrance, but when a train wants to enter, it gets stuck and doesn't find a path into it
23:27:24  <V453000> could be various problems
23:27:46  <nicfer> the station has trains coming from both sides and a line that stops at it
23:27:50  <V453000> either the free platforms have too high penalty so PBS rather prefers to wait for the other platforms
23:28:03  <nicfer> the last ones have the trains that get stuck
23:28:04  <V453000> image worth 1000 words? hint hint
23:28:10  <V453000> ah yes
23:28:15  <V453000> that is probably penalty issue
23:28:24  <V453000> use presignals :p
23:28:42  <V453000> you could also penalize the first few platforms for example with backwards 2way PBS too
23:28:50  <nicfer> I've fixed it by using a PBS signal at theback entrance
23:29:13  <V453000> PBS is still dumb :p
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23:34:02  <nicfer> http://imgur.com/gR8vq
23:34:11  <nicfer> ouch JPG
23:34:15  <nicfer> sorry
23:34:48  <nicfer> I've edited it with win7 paint and forgot to change the output format
23:35:41  <nicfer> http://i.imgur.com/gR8vq.jpg is the correct link
23:40:45  <TinoDidriksen> Unreadable text...fussy red on green really does not work as JPEG.
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23:41:38  <nicfer> yup, my fault
23:41:57  <nicfer> forgot that ms paint saves to jpg by default
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