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guide how to use traffic lights ? 07:10:52 <Terkhen> if you mean train signals, try searching signals at the openttd wiki 07:11:36 <Terkhen> if you mean the traffic lights patch, no idea 07:14:37 *** kkimlabs [~kkimlabs@cpe-69-203-124-125.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:16:48 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has joined #openttd 07:20:06 <John_Snow> yes, tain signals 07:25:55 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-26-126.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 07:30:23 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-80-202.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:33:34 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 07:45:47 <MNIM> John_Snow: http://wiki.openttd.org/Signals 08:02:01 *** NataS [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has joined #openttd 08:04:21 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:09:34 *** Nat_aS [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has quit [Ping 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#openttd 13:34:25 *** flaa [~flaa@188.141.45.124] has joined #openttd 13:37:13 *** plastics [~plastics@c-69-138-42-222.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:38:51 <Elukka> Eddi|zuHause: what's going on with CETS these days? 13:39:18 <Eddi|zuHause> Elukka: oberhÃŒmer did some graphics recently, but i have not had a chance to review his changes 13:39:59 <Elukka> did you end up going 32bpp? 13:41:30 <Elukka> i see there are some new sprites 13:42:37 <Elukka> oberhÃŒmer certainly went with different colors to mine, i can't tell if it's just a different color choice or if they're 32bpp 13:44:12 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.188.253] has joined #openttd 13:44:23 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.178.249] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:44:28 <Elukka> i need to try to get some sprites done again 13:44:31 <Elukka> i'd love a wider palette 13:46:09 <Elukka> between my sprites and oberhÃŒmer's older and newer ones the shading and colors are sorta all over the place 13:52:30 *** cornishpasty is now known as CORNISHPASTY 13:54:19 *** CORNISHPASTY is now known as CornishPasty 13:55:40 *** peter1138 [~peter@petern.bnsnet.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:56:32 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@85.210.69.37] has joined #openttd 13:57:40 *** Alberth [~hat3@2001:980:272e:1:21a:92ff:fe55:fc8d] has joined #openttd 13:57:43 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 14:02:23 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-102-58.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:07:06 <Alberth> moin 14:14:34 *** plastics [~plastics@c-69-138-42-222.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 14:23:16 <Terkhen> hi Alberth 14:33:01 <Alberth> busy here :) 14:37:26 *** flaa [~flaa@188.141.45.124] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:41:18 <Belugas> same here 14:41:24 <Belugas> hello Alberth :) 14:42:15 <Alberth> hi sir B :) 14:46:03 *** kais58_ is now known as kais58 14:55:18 *** John_Snow [~broken@89.21.93.154] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:57:13 <Terkhen> I should be busy too 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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 18:10:45 <andythenorth> quiet then 18:17:47 <Terkhen> kinda 18:45:17 *** glx is now known as Guest1573 18:45:17 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:f469:3cf4:e7fa:7bbb] has joined #openttd 18:45:17 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx_] by ChanServ 18:45:17 *** glx_ is now known as glx 18:47:05 *** brambles [brambles@79.133.200.49] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:47:05 *** brambles_ [brambles@79.133.200.49] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:47:27 *** brambles [brambles@79.133.200.49] has joined #openttd 18:52:02 *** Guest1573 [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:f469:3cf4:e7fa:7bbb] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:59:11 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d086977.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:13:57 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: frosch * r24360 /trunk/src/newgrf_engine.cpp: -Fix [FS#5224]: Ship-specific 80+x variables were missing for unknown reason. (Hirundo) 19:20:24 <andythenorth> bananas tells me people are doing something with the game though 19:20:37 <andythenorth> why aren't they here complaining about something? 19:21:33 * Alberth vaguely remembers mentioning a few fishy things 19:25:06 <Alberth> and also wishing a 10% or so speed-up of the boats when empty 19:25:15 <Rubidium> http://lwn.net/Articles/502471/ <- replace kernel with OpenTTD and the subsystems with OpenTTD subsystems and it pretty much fits (except the conferences and such) 19:25:47 <Rubidium> so... our coding style and reluctancy for accepting everything is just ISO 9001 ;) 19:26:46 *** guru3 [~guru3@stgt-5f71685d.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:28:27 <Alberth> perfectly defined and repeatable :D 19:30:16 <andythenorth> we should get ISO accreditation 19:31:45 <Terkhen> andythenorth: I complain about lack of autorefit :P 19:31:55 <Terkhen> if you are looking for complaints, that should help you 19:31:58 <andythenorth> I complain about lack of v1.0 on CHIPS :P 19:32:21 <andythenorth> not many tickets to go http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/chips/issues 19:32:44 *** guru3_ [~guru3@stgt-5f7295e8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:37:43 <Alberth> you can only display one type of cargo, I guess? 19:38:19 <andythenorth> yup 19:38:36 <andythenorth> at least if I want to stay sane 19:38:47 * Alberth wants a sane andy as well 19:39:01 * andythenorth wonders what colour for bauxite 19:39:35 <andythenorth> don't care about RL 19:39:43 <andythenorth> just has to look different to clay and iron ore in game 19:39:44 <Alberth> red-ish comes to mind, but that's already used 19:39:55 <andythenorth> brownish 19:39:56 <Rubidium> red-ish is for me! 19:40:12 <Alberth> brownish is fine too 19:43:14 <andythenorth> HEQS bauxite is kind of pink, same as copper ore 19:43:17 <andythenorth> that will do I guess 19:44:52 <Alberth> seems useful if the ore does not change colour while loadingit into a vehicle :) 19:47:00 * FLHerne insists on the ability to display multiple cargoes simultaneously :P 19:47:18 <FLHerne> Sorry, wasn't paying attention earlier :-( 19:47:20 * Alberth expects a patch from FLHerne shortly 19:48:21 <andythenorth> FLHerne: which one goes on top? 19:48:22 <andythenorth> :P 19:48:44 <FLHerne> I have a station serving Coal/Ore/Bauxite/Clay/Sand/Stone - autorefit is awesome :D 19:49:10 <FLHerne> There should be a profusion of piles in myriad colours :-) 19:49:35 * FLHerne remembers that English Lang is no longer important :D 19:50:04 <FLHerne> Oh, it has oil too. That can't be piled up in the same way though :P 19:51:41 <frosch123> use barrels 19:51:54 <frosch123> they help in making a pile of oil 19:52:14 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d172-218-25-105.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 19:52:35 <frosch123> http://images.nationalgeographic.com/wpf/media-live/photos/000/231/cache/salt-mine-nuclear-waste-asse-germany-waste-barrels_23159_600x450.jpg <- something like that 19:53:36 <frosch123> http://www.proactiveinvestors.co.uk/genera///img/companies/news/oil_barrel_stack_350_4f424dfe04512.jpg <- except that oil is dealt with more carefully :p 19:53:58 <Alberth> :) 19:54:29 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.129.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:54:48 *** plastics [~plastics@c-69-138-42-222.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:54:52 <DDR> frosch123: Beats what the american military did with their waste... 'um... ammo! Let's make burny ammo with it!' 19:55:26 <frosch123> yeah, it has a high density, useful for ammo 19:55:49 <DDR> Also, radioactive. Not useful for anyone near it. 19:56:25 <DDR> Most immediately the enemy, but also the people shooting it... and the people who have to live with it after the shooting stops. :( 19:56:26 <frosch123> if it's proper u238, the radioactivity will likely not hurt you 19:56:50 <frosch123> u238 does not have enough radiation 19:56:57 <DDR> Not in small amounts, but especially in Iraq people shoot lots of stuff. 19:57:24 <Rubidium> yay... someone who doesn't know much about radioactivity ;) 19:57:45 <frosch123> me? :) 19:57:54 <Rubidium> frosch123: 9 19:57:55 <DDR> Plus, when it burns (that's why it's armour-piercing) it sort of emits little chemically-inert radioactive droplets. 19:58:23 <DDR> Apparently, they're small enough to fit through the pores of your skin. O_o 19:59:00 <andythenorth> @seen Yexo 19:59:00 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: Yexo was last seen in #openttd 1 week, 2 days, 1 hour, 10 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: <Yexo> are you sure one has arrived this month? 19:59:24 <frosch123> DDR: skin? who cares about skin, if you can inhale them? 19:59:43 <DDR> And, as further proof God has a sense of humour, your body deposits all of the radioactive material it can in the balls. I need those, so I think I'll stay away from shooting burning radioactive waste. 20:00:24 <frosch123> oh, is that a reason to send womans into the field? 20:00:30 <frosch123> *women 20:01:32 <frosch123> DDR: anyway, i am quite sure that u238 does not hurt you due to radioactivity, but because it is heavy metal 20:01:57 <DDR> frosch123: Nup, it's radioactive. Not very, but quite enough. 20:02:16 * FLHerne looks back up the channel 20:02:26 <DDR> Either way, it's not something you should be just scattering around a populated area. 20:02:27 <frosch123> it's actually the least radioactive thing of all radioactives 20:02:28 <Rubidium> DDR: the half-life of U238 is about the 4.5 bilion years, releasing an alpha particle that is stopped by something like a sheet of paper 20:02:32 <FLHerne> Impressive off-topic wandering :D 20:02:46 <Rubidium> so picking up U238 with gloves is basically perfectly safe 20:03:28 <DDR> Yes, but you're not doing so... you're breathing it in, because you burnt it up a little while back, remember? 20:03:35 <FLHerne> Except the risk of the US military shooting you for stealing their ammo? :P 20:04:02 <DDR> lol 20:04:25 <andythenorth> is u238 a valid cargo for FIRS? 20:04:37 <Rubidium> also, the reason why depleted uranium is used in armour piercing has nothing to do with it's radioactivity, just with its density 20:05:40 <Rubidium> and... interestingly enough to shield radioactive materials since it's much denser (70%), thus shields beta/gamma radiation significantly better 20:05:49 <Rubidium> (per cm) 20:06:33 <frosch123> oh, did not know that application 20:06:33 <FLHerne> Presumably osmium would be too brittle and/or rare? 20:07:26 <Rubidium> even then, uranium oxide is more likely to kill you (due to toxity) than the radiation (but that's just minor details as dead's dead') 20:07:46 <Alberth> andythenorth: I hope it is not 20:08:36 <frosch123> andythenorth: you want to write a chemistry based industry set? 20:08:45 <andythenorth> I was bad at chemistry 20:08:49 <andythenorth> valency and crap :P 20:09:20 <FLHerne> Can we have nuclear power stations in FIRS? 20:09:33 <andythenorth> nope 20:09:45 <DDR> The reason it's used is because it's a hell of a lot cheaper than magnesium (or was that sodium... tungsten? I dunno. Some silly-expensive metal like that...) and the US military had a bunch of uranium on it's hands. 20:09:55 <DDR> It was a confluence of wants... 20:09:58 <FLHerne> Then there'd be a use for pairs of outdated Class 20s dragging short rakes of odd-looking wagons about :D 20:10:24 <DDR> They wanted to get rid of their nuclear waste, and the munitions industry wanted something less expensive to make their bullets out of. 20:10:29 <andythenorth> they'd trigger lots of 'this vehicle is making no money' warnings :P 20:10:46 * Alberth wanders off to more interesting things 20:11:19 <frosch123> DDR: u238 has just more than 10 times the densitry of magnesium 20:11:23 <Alberth> andythenorth: you don't need to give it fuel at all :p 20:11:41 <andythenorth> Alberth: what's more interesting? :o 20:11:44 <andythenorth> than this ^ ? 20:11:52 <FLHerne> Make the payment rates very high, to compensate for minimal quantities :P http://www.phantasrail.co.uk/July06/PF%206C53%20563LR2u.jpg 20:11:53 <frosch123> DDR: and every heavy metal is more toxic than uranium is radioactive 20:12:04 <frosch123> so your arguments are increasingly pointless 20:12:09 <DDR> frosch123: It doesn't matter too much whether it's dense, it's whether it's hot that counts more. 20:12:33 <frosch123> then you should use caesium or iod 20:12:39 <frosch123> not uranium 20:12:48 <DDR> What did they use before uranium? 20:12:59 <FLHerne> Add uranium-processing plants, too, and nuclear waste repositories :-) 20:13:02 <Alberth> andythenorth: http://devs.openttd.org/~alberth/temperate20120517, 2016-06-08.sav 20:13:38 <DDR> frosch123: The more I talk, the more it seems that diplomacy is the better option. 20:13:54 <DDR> (Or simply not using armour-piercing rounds.) 20:13:59 <Rubidium> did you actually know there is two times more rubidium (production: < 10 tonnes/year) in the ground than copper (production 16 million tonnes/year)? 20:14:18 <DDR> Hunh. 20:14:38 <FLHerne> Is it near-impossible to extract, or have they just not found a use for it yet? (or both) 20:14:55 <frosch123> Rubidium: in what depth? 20:15:44 <Rubidium> frosch123: the rubidium can be found basically anywhere, just barely anywhere with minable quantities. Those that mine it, mine it as by product 20:16:35 <frosch123> ah, one of those 20:16:49 <Rubidium> so rubidium is 100 ppm, silver is 0.070 ppm, gold is 0.0011 ppm 20:18:09 <frosch123> that's for the whole earth? 20:18:15 <Rubidium> yep 20:18:33 <frosch123> wiki says different numbers for the surface-near part 20:18:33 <Rubidium> uhm, earth's crust ;) 20:18:54 <frosch123> 29 ppm rb, 0,005 ppm au 20:19:27 <frosch123> 0,12 ppm ag 20:20:19 <frosch123> 47000 ppm fe :) 20:20:41 <frosch123> 258000 ppm si 20:20:44 <Rubidium> still, doesn't make much difference 20:20:51 <Rubidium> relatively at least 20:21:19 <frosch123> 494000 ppm o 20:21:41 <Rubidium> DDR: before uranium they probably didn't have a need for armour piercing rounds of that strength 20:22:10 <DDR> I'm pretty sure they did. 20:22:28 <DDR> We've never been short of stuff we want to shoot through, but can't. ;) 20:23:22 <frosch123> i guess lead is most common 20:23:26 <Rubidium> previously the idea was bigger is better 20:23:37 <frosch123> likely lead is even more dangerous than uranium 20:23:41 <Rubidium> and precision kinda sucked 20:23:43 <DDR> Nup. 20:23:50 <DDR> I've got lead in my basement. 20:23:51 <frosch123> i would think that that lead is easier washed away by water 20:24:08 <DDR> It's pretty much OK, as long as you don't eat it... it is sweet-flavoured, though. 20:24:15 <DDR> So I've always wanted to try some. 20:24:51 <Rubidium> DDR: so lead is safe if you don't ingest/inhale it and uranium is unsafe when you ingest/inhale it 20:25:06 <Rubidium> that doesn't quite mean one is safer than the other 20:25:41 <DDR> Well, it's hard to inhale lead, it being rather solid and all. 20:25:48 <frosch123> lol 20:25:52 <DDR> I mean, you can make a fairly safe water pipe out of it... 20:26:05 <DDR> but when you use it to season your wine, it's kinda poisonous. 20:26:11 <frosch123> poiling point of lead is 2000K, uranium has 4000K 20:26:16 <DDR> So the romans found out. 20:26:30 <DDR> But the burning point is what makes it piercing. 20:26:31 <frosch123> a uranium water pipe is likely a lot better than a lead water pipe 20:26:44 <DDR> It doesn't matter *what* the boiling point is... 20:26:50 <DDR> frosch123: You're off your rocker. 20:27:26 <DDR> You'd be getting irradiated water versus normal water, pretty much. 20:27:40 <DDR> Lead doesn't poision stuff by being around it. It's a metal. It mostly just sits there. 20:28:00 <frosch123> well, that way my point all the time 20:28:11 <frosch123> both lead and uranium are toxic because they are heavy metals 20:28:29 <frosch123> and the radiation of u238 is neglibe compared to the toxicness 20:28:50 <DDR> Uranium is toxic primarily because it's fucking radioactive. The fact that it's a heavy metal is just an added anti-bonus. 20:28:56 <frosch123> and lead does exactly that: it poisons by just sitting around 20:29:13 <DDR> So does Uranium, to a much greater degree. 20:29:23 <DDR> Like, I can eat quite a lot of lead before it kills me. 20:29:33 <frosch123> DDR: uranium is barely radioactive 20:29:39 <Rubidium> DDR: http://hps.org/publicinformation/ate/q1906.html 20:29:39 <DDR> But I don't have to eat so much uranium. 20:30:04 <DDR> Not the natural ore, but I we're going in to this with depleted uranium, so it's still pretty radioactive. 20:31:05 <Rubidium> DDR: "Of ingested inorganic lead, about 15% is absorbed, but this percentage is higher in children, pregnant women, and people with deficiencies of calcium, zinc, or iron" 20:31:13 <DDR> Not only that, but at the point the uranium has been used -- it's transformed into tiny inert particles the body can't get rid of. 20:31:22 <Rubidium> so, you adsorb 15 times more lead than uranium when ingesting it! 20:31:30 <DDR> Hunh, I didn't know that. 20:31:35 <Rubidium> furthermore, uranium is barely radioactive 20:31:44 <DDR> Not after you enrich it. 20:31:56 <frosch123> it's depleted 20:31:57 <Rubidium> DDR: Radium is over one million times as radioactive as the same mass of uranium 20:32:06 <Sacro> and how does that compare to Rubidium 20:32:12 <DDR> It's still quite radioactive, it's not depleted all the way. 20:33:14 <Rubidium> DDR: fun fact: my highschool teacher taught us that radium was in the walls 20:33:47 <DDR> Ever been to radium hot springs? It's a town around here... they get a fair buildup of natural radioactive gas in places. 20:34:10 <Rubidium> DDR: no, still... radium is a million times more radioactive than uranium 20:34:17 <DDR> To the point it's actually a bit of a problem, in places. 20:34:26 <Rubidium> so if the hot springs are safe, then uranium is even safer 20:34:29 <andythenorth> radium or radon? 20:34:42 <DDR> Yes, but again, we're not shooting uranium-the-rock. 20:35:01 <DDR> we're shooting uranium-the-metal-which-was-just-inside-a-nuclear-reactor. 20:35:15 <DDR> It's not depleted all the way, just out of useful reacting life I think. 20:35:23 <DDR> andythenorth: radon. 20:35:36 <andythenorth> loads of that in the uk 20:36:28 <DDR> Hunh. 20:37:15 <DDR> frosch123: To clear something up, just because it's depleted doesn't mean it's not dangerously radioactive. 20:38:52 <Rubidium> DDR: to have the same radioactivity (geigercounter) you need: 20:39:18 <DDR> andythenorth: iirc, on the first day of the american invasion of iraq, ambient airborne radiation in Britan spiked something like fourfold. 20:40:05 <Rubidium> @calc 4.468*1000*1000*1000*365/3.8235 20:40:05 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 426525434811.0 20:40:21 <Rubidium> roughly that many times more Uranium atoms than Radon (gas) atoms 20:40:23 <DDR> Rubidium: ? 20:40:25 <FLHerne> DDR: But was it at significant levels anyway? 20:40:48 <FLHerne> http://xkcd.com/radiation/ 20:40:50 <andythenorth> radon is a killer in the uk 20:40:51 <DDR> I can't remember. :/ 20:41:06 <FLHerne> May be useful 20:42:09 <DDR> FLHerne: I think it was still pretty much safe. 20:42:37 <DDR> But, since that was almost undoubtedly coming from Iraq, I'd think that the radioactivity in-country would be much greater. 20:43:51 <frosch123> DDR: depleted uranium has less u235 and u234 than natural uranium, which results in depleted uranium having 60% of the radioactivity of natural uranium 20:44:25 <DDR> Hunh. I'd think it would still be as radioactive as the nuclear facility it came out of. 20:44:34 <frosch123> actually, this is kind of obvious... if it would have higher radiation than natural uranium, then it would be prefered for enrichtment over natural 20:45:04 <DDR> Hm, I guess so. 20:45:21 <Rubidium> DDR: the radioactivity isn't in the uranium, bit in the crap coming from uranium after fission 20:45:42 <DDR> Ah. Knew I was missing something... 20:45:58 <DDR> I didn't take good notes, this conversation just sort of happened. :P 20:46:19 <andythenorth> hmm 20:46:25 <andythenorth> CHIPS has 6666 downloads 20:46:40 <andythenorth> is that bad? or irrelevant? 20:46:47 <CornishPasty> 1 more and it will be IRC! 20:48:15 <DDR> oo, chips... chips is good... 20:48:29 * CornishPasty steals DDR's chips 20:48:45 <DDR> MAH CHIPS! NOOOOO! 20:48:49 <CornishPasty> Bwahahhahaa 20:48:58 <DDR> *falls to his knees* Why? 20:49:03 <andythenorth> ach, no bundles server :P 20:52:04 <FLHerne> Is it possible for an industry to start producing an extra cargo after a certain date? 20:52:14 <andythenorth> yes, but it's confusing 20:52:24 <andythenorth> it will cause bug reports 20:52:30 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host81-152-250-188.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:54:12 <FLHerne> Then you could have waste collection centres producing household waste, and then later recyclables as well 20:54:54 <FLHerne> Add power stations, and recycling depots could produce biomass. Also coal to powerstations 20:57:31 <DDR> That'd be neat... 20:57:38 * Wolf01 silently goes to bed 20:57:43 <Rubidium> night Wolf01 20:57:52 <Wolf01> 'night all 20:58:05 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@95.232.234.29] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:59:12 <Terkhen> good night 20:59:17 <Rubidium> night Terkhen 21:00:20 <FLHerne> andythenorth: Did you raise farm production? It seems higher than before 21:01:52 <andythenorth> can't remember 21:02:46 <andythenorth> I added randomisation, that will give higher initial values for farms in some cases 21:03:06 <FLHerne> I have an uninfluenced Arable Farm producing 126 tonnes/month... :D 21:03:15 <andythenorth> plausible 21:03:18 <FLHerne> Good for profit :-) 21:03:36 <FLHerne> Before it would be 16, if I remember... 21:04:00 <andythenorth> plausible too 21:05:57 <andythenorth> good night 21:05:59 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:06:02 <FLHerne> Night 21:06:07 <FLHerne> Aargh, late 21:22:41 *** kkimlabs [~kkimlabs@cpe-69-203-124-125.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 21:24:40 *** plastics [~plastics@c-69-138-42-222.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:27:33 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 21:39:31 *** Alberth [~hat3@2001:980:272e:1:21a:92ff:fe55:fc8d] has left #openttd [] 21:41:48 <frosch123> night 21:41:53 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d008505.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:42:32 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host81-152-250-188.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:43:38 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@85.210.69.37] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:45:30 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.78.58] has joined #openttd 21:46:32 *** jgh [~ashfasdf@cpc2-sgyl36-2-0-cust717.18-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:50:27 *** KenjiE20 [kenjie20@supporter.blinkenshell.org] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 21:58:13 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:f469:3cf4:e7fa:7bbb] has joined #openttd 21:58:13 *** glx is now known as Guest1590 21:58:13 *** glx_ is now known as glx 22:04:47 *** Guest1590 [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:f469:3cf4:e7fa:7bbb] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:12:48 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@78.96.213.97] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 22:22:41 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:23:41 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 22:24:56 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-111-95.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 22:29:30 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has quit [Quit: Hugs to all] 22:30:54 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-26-120.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:33:33 *** KenjiE20 [kenjie20@supporter.blinkenshell.org] has joined #openttd 22:49:51 *** kais58 [~kais58@cpc2-cwma8-2-0-cust293.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:16:11 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-153-135.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 23:18:29 *** pugi_ [~pugi@host-091-097-084-065.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 23:22:01 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-084-065.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:22:02 *** pugi_ is now known as pugi 23:22:08 *** Elukka [Elukka@78-27-90-14.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 23:25:29 *** ben1066 [~quassel@2a00:dcc0:eda:89:14:179:e28f:960d] has joined #openttd 23:25:46 *** ben1066_ [~quassel@194.14.179.181] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:28:17 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d086977.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us] 23:40:21 *** Kylie_ [~Kylie@CPE18593346e177-CM18593346e174.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 23:40:36 *** Kylie_ [~Kylie@CPE18593346e177-CM18593346e174.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [] 23:53:55 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.129.100] has joined #openttd 23:55:55 *** kkimlabs [~kkimlabs@cpe-69-203-124-125.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Rage Quit]