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I'm thinking AITile.IsBuildable() is broken 10:59:28 <xavexgoem> Or maybe I'M broken and can't tell what's going wrong 11:00:02 <Alberth> given the quite fundamental feature, I suspect the latter until proven otherwise :) 11:02:03 <Eddi|zuHause> xavexgoem: maybe you start with what you're trying to achieve, what you expected how it works, and how it actually works? 11:05:36 *** flaa [~flaa@188.141.45.124] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:08:33 <Alberth> xavexgoem: how do you think it is broken? 11:09:52 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.91.71] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:13:07 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.91.71] has joined #openttd 11:22:33 <xavexgoem> Sure. I'm trying to build a one-way road station a few random tiles away from an industry. I can't have the station be directly adjacent to an industry and facing it at the same time, since you can't build a road leading out. So I call IsBuildable(tile), where tile is the tile leading out 11:23:10 <xavexgoem> It's supposed to try and find another location if IsBuildable fails, but it always succeeds 11:24:08 <xavexgoem> So the station is built and it's useless 11:25:31 <xavexgoem> if(!AITile.IsBuildable(stationTileFront)) continue; 11:32:22 <Alberth> what's in front of it then? IsBuildable does look like a function that often returns true 11:32:50 <xavexgoem> Typically the actual footpront of the industry, like a sawmill or a coal mine 11:33:03 <xavexgoem> Something you certainly can't build over 11:34:46 <Alberth> did you check the tile coordinates of the check? did you test IsBuildable on an industry tile (to confirm the result) 11:35:42 <xavexgoem> Yes, I always run AISign.BuildSign(stationTileFront,"blahblahblah") after the station is built 11:36:08 <xavexgoem> Between that if statement up there and the sign building, stationTileFront never changes 11:42:17 <xavexgoem> Although now that I do an explicit check... weird 11:46:28 <Alberth> I am looking for a way to check whether a tile belongs to an industry, as that would confirm its broken-ness, but no luck so far 11:48:13 <xavexgoem> I'm actually building the sign right before I make the check. The odd thing is if I run isBuildable on a known tile (e.g., IsBuildable(AIMap.GetTileIndex(x,y))), it returns false 11:48:20 <xavexgoem> So I'm probably doing something vexing 11:50:36 *** Defaultti [defaultti@kapsi.fi] has joined #openttd 11:50:56 <xavexgoem> ahh... seems to work for if(AITile.IsBuildable(stationTileFront) == false) continue; 11:51:01 <xavexgoem> instead of !AITile 11:51:53 <xavexgoem> Haha, no 11:52:41 <Alberth> yeah that would be weird :) 11:55:43 <Alberth> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/1596/ <-- the source says it will not return true for an industry (default: return false), only 4 other cases are considered in more detail 12:00:31 <xavexgoem> Goddamnit, I see what I've done 12:01:06 <xavexgoem> Wait, no I don't. Wow. 12:01:08 <Alberth> GetIndustryID(TileIndex tile) gives you an industry ID if the tile is at an industry tile 12:06:24 <xavexgoem> I've pasted it in, if you want to take a look 12:07:57 <Eddi|zuHause> what's the random for? 12:08:29 <xavexgoem> I want the station to be near, but I don't really care where 12:08:44 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean for "front" 12:08:52 <xavexgoem> Face a random direction 12:08:55 <Eddi|zuHause> one would assume "front" is always 1 tile away 12:09:16 <xavexgoem> With that it always will be 12:09:24 <Eddi|zuHause> but that may get you the same tile, or diagonal tiles 12:09:27 <xavexgoem> Sometimes at a diagonal, which'll fail the station biuld, but that's OK 12:09:36 <xavexgoem> I know 12:09:51 <Eddi|zuHause> you might want to do "+ random(2)?+1:-1" 12:19:38 *** telanus [~telanus@196-215-17-200.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:20:30 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:793a:ac21:2c91:6fd6] has joined #openttd 12:20:33 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:20:56 <xavexgoem> That works better. Station is still wonky. 12:24:56 <xavexgoem> Updated the pastebin. The weirdness increases: I check IsBuildable outside the loop, and it DOES give the correct results, even after just building a bad station 12:40:52 <xavexgoem> and in closing, it completely goes away if you use an infinite loop broken out of if the station build succeeds. No idea why. 12:40:57 <planetmaker> xavexgoem, building a new station on top of one of your existing stations is feasible and allowed 12:41:02 <planetmaker> Thus the tile remains "buildable" 12:41:24 <xavexgoem> That wasn't the issue, though. It was saying an actual building was buildable 12:41:54 <xavexgoem> Now it doesn't, but that's by making a seemingly unrelated change 12:44:01 <xavexgoem> So instead of "do { ... } while (!AIRoad.BuildRoad(...))", it's while(true) { ... if(AIRoad.BuildRoad(...) } Ooooooooohhh 12:44:56 <xavexgoem> *facepalm* 12:50:56 *** xavexgoem_ [~xavexgoem@99.149.175.15] has joined #openttd 12:50:56 *** xavexgoem [~xavexgoem@99.149.169.222] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:51:02 *** xavexgoem_ [~xavexgoem@99.149.175.15] has quit [] 12:51:04 *** xavexgoem_ [~xavexgoem@99.149.175.15] has joined #openttd 13:06:20 <Belugas> hello 13:06:40 <Alberth> hello sir B 13:06:53 <Belugas> sir A :) 13:08:20 <peter1138> sir A and sir B 13:08:35 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat2.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:10:51 <Alberth> http://devs.openttd.org/~alberth/bumpy_road_bridge.png this road bridge looks a bit bumpy :p 13:12:52 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@94.13.8.182] has joined #openttd 13:13:14 <Eddi|zuHause> something like that happened in SC2000 sometimes 13:15:17 <Belugas> cool :) 13:15:21 <Belugas> UNREAL!! 13:30:53 <planetmaker> haha, nice, Alberth ! :-) 13:31:43 *** flaa [~flaa@188.141.45.124] has joined #openttd 13:45:50 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc10-linl9-2-0-cust80.18-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 13:53:34 *** telanus [~telanus@196-215-60-175.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #openttd 14:17:01 *** telanus [~telanus@196-215-60-175.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:17:26 *** telanus [~telanus@196-215-60-175.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #openttd 14:21:06 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:793a:ac21:2c91:6fd6] has joined #openttd 14:21:06 *** glx is now known as Guest945 14:21:06 *** glx_ is now known as glx 14:27:38 *** Guest945 [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:793a:ac21:2c91:6fd6] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:36:57 *** Aztec [~history@pdbn-5d827ac1.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 14:43:08 <Aztec> hi everyone. :) I've been looking through NewGRFs to enhance OpenTTD and stumbeld across the 2cc TrainSet. It's looking good but is anyone actually using it? Those train prices are so~ high or am I just to bad at openttd to afford them? 14:46:14 <Terkhen> hello :) 14:46:19 * Terkhen is back home for the holidays 14:48:18 <telanus> Aztec they are a bit on the expensive side 14:48:42 <Terkhen> Aztec: IIRC you can adjusts the cost via parameter 14:49:30 <Aztec> Hi Terkhen *hands a beverage of your liking* 14:50:14 <Aztec> Thanks for the hint, i should've checked sooner and also thanks telanus. 14:50:47 <Terkhen> no problem :) 14:58:38 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@78.96.213.97] has joined #openttd 15:09:36 <Eddi|zuHause> Terkhen: traditionally, "the holidays" means christmas/newyear 15:10:29 <Terkhen> vacations then? 15:10:38 <Eddi|zuHause> better :) 15:10:39 <Terkhen> as long as I don't have to work, you can call them as you like 15:10:43 <Terkhen> :D 15:12:39 <Alberth> hi Terkhen 15:13:18 <Terkhen> hi Alberth :) 15:19:10 * Belugas is leaving for vacations tonigh as well. 2 well deserved weeks 15:19:25 <Terkhen> indeed, I hope you enjoy them :) 15:19:30 <Belugas> even if work@home4home is scheduled :S 15:19:43 <Alberth> have a very good time, Belugas 15:19:52 <Belugas> i might. At least, i'll see my son and wife 24/7*2 ;) 15:19:59 <Belugas> i'll try to, Alberth :) 15:20:32 <Belugas> and hopefully, sir peter1138, we'll have time to jam in my brand new studio :D 15:21:13 <Alberth> a studio is no good if you cannot use it :) 15:23:04 <Terkhen> :) 15:23:35 <Aztec> Sounds nice. I'm still undecied where i want to spend my next vacation. :/ There are so many possibilities but so I'd have to learn so many new languages to make the best of it. 15:26:03 <Belugas> indeed, Alberth :) That's why it's my main priority for the vacations. I'm tired to hear complains about the strange sounds my guit makes while practicing. 15:27:18 <Belugas> Aztec, yuo know, with english, you can get pretty much everywhere, these days. or so i am encline to believe 15:27:36 <Belugas> sadly, french is not as widly used :( 15:27:38 <Eddi|zuHause> even to montreal? :) 15:28:43 <Belugas> on the contrary :D 15:29:18 <Aztec> Sure I'd get around but there's so much you miss and (IMO) it's worth not only going to the big tourism places but get a view at the more rural areas and I'd guess englisch isn't that common there, at least in some countries like egypt or japan. 15:31:15 <Belugas> well... my wife speaks spanish (my kid starts to), i'm fluant in english, we all know french. That covers most of the american continents 15:31:21 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd advise against syria at the moment, though :) 15:31:23 <Belugas> and there's plenty to see there :) 15:31:27 <Belugas> quite! 15:35:13 <Aztec> I'll probably stay near my hometown and just visit some castles or spend some time at the sea. That's way more than far enough from syria. ;D 15:36:54 <Aztec> Oh and there usually is enought to see in your own country but sometimes i'd really like to see something different. ;) Ok in the US it's rather easy because you got a lot of different enviroments. 15:41:48 <Eddi|zuHause> you don't really have medieval castles in the US, though ;) 15:44:49 *** flaa [~flaa@188.141.45.124] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:57:01 *** flaa [~flaa@188.141.45.124] has joined #openttd 16:15:00 *** Markk [mark@metamfetam.in] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:17:55 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d00b9e0.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:20:52 *** KouDy [~KouDy@227.40.49.60.kmr01-home.tm.net.my] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:21:02 *** Markk [mark@metamfetam.in] has joined #openttd 16:23:00 *** KouDy [~KouDy@227.40.49.60.kmr01-home.tm.net.my] has joined #openttd 16:27:25 <Aztec> There has to be a downside! ;P I'm living in europe so there are a lot of castles. :) 16:52:58 *** Arafangion [~Arafangio@220-244-108-23.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:54:32 *** petern_ [~petern@217.64.121.49] has joined #openttd 17:00:00 *** peter1138 [~petern@217.64.121.206] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:06:42 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@95.232.234.29] has joined #openttd 17:06:49 <Wolf01> hello 17:08:08 <Alberth> hello Wolf01 17:12:35 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@78.96.213.97] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 17:23:02 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A45E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:27:58 *** xavexgoem_ [~xavexgoem@99.149.175.15] has quit [Quit: You will find nothing here. Beth DuClaire has been dissected and placed in cryonic storage.] 17:32:30 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: translators * r24437 /trunk/src/lang/korean.txt: 17:32:30 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:32:30 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: korean - 14 changes by telk5093 17:37:35 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 17:46:01 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@dsl-149-87-36.hive.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:47:37 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@dsl-149-87-36.hive.is] has joined #openttd 17:58:01 <NGC3982> oh my 17:58:13 <NGC3982> underworld is making the music for the olympic show tonight 18:08:38 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A45E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:20:38 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 18:21:10 <frosch123> why has mediawiki no option to revert multiple revisions in one step 18:22:57 <Wolf01> because it's trycky to revert the revert in case of necessity :D 18:23:02 <Wolf01> *tricky 18:23:20 <frosch123> revert does not delete it from the history 18:24:00 <frosch123> rollback only works for a single user, not 20 :( 18:25:35 <frosch123> ah, i can click on edit for an old revision, and then save it 18:26:27 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@81.152.252.18] has joined #openttd 18:35:13 *** flaa [~flaa@188.141.45.124] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:41:06 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 18:42:09 <Wolf01> bbl, maybe 18:42:12 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@95.232.234.29] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 18:53:59 <Eddi|zuHause> sometimes i really don't get xkcd... 18:54:13 <Supercheese> agreed 18:54:39 <frosch123> i got the hint 18:54:55 <frosch123> for the rest you likely need to know the story 18:55:31 <Eddi|zuHause> that's a little harder if you've only seen one of (apparently) two referenced movies 18:57:25 <frosch123> where are there movie references? 18:57:59 <frosch123> it's a quote from wiki, illustrated with a scene from lotr 19:01:05 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@81.152.252.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:03:23 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: frosch * r24438 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix [FS#5256-ish]: Make (non-refittable) vehicles with invalid default cargo unavailable. 19:15:18 *** telanus [~telanus@196-215-60-175.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:17:51 <Eddi|zuHause> oh... today is "sysadmin appreciation day" 19:18:50 * Rubidium doesn't appreciate his work's sysadmin 19:23:15 <TrueBrain> and I never got any flowers from any of you 19:23:17 <TrueBrain> pfffffff 19:27:50 <NGC3982> with FIRS, if i have a single source of engineering supplies and a lot of primary industries that needs it 19:28:24 <NGC3982> - do i put it all in one primary industry, or do i make myself better off distributing the low amount of engineering supplies to all of the above? 19:28:58 <Alberth> the latter 19:29:23 <Alberth> at least that's what everybody does, I have never reached that point in my games :) 19:29:28 <NGC3982> oh, and note that all the primary industries i talk about create stuff that later creates engineering supplies 19:29:37 <NGC3982> i see. 19:29:52 <Eddi|zuHause> NGC3982: every industry needs 1 crate of engineering supplies every month 19:30:11 <NGC3982> that's enough? 19:30:20 <Eddi|zuHause> that's a real challenge :) 19:30:29 <NGC3982> well.. yeah. 19:30:43 <NGC3982> ive been doing this a bit wrong 19:30:58 <NGC3982> full load on a huge train to a single industry 19:31:16 <NGC3982> where i should have used smaller trains and more spread amongst the industries, i guess. 19:37:27 <TWerkhoven> distrubution centre 19:37:39 <TWerkhoven> where a train unloads, then uses trucks to distribute to single primaries 19:39:45 <NGC3982> yes, i guess that is the best way 19:39:57 <NGC3982> doesnt the distances kill of the use of trucks? 19:42:35 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: frosch * r24439 /trunk/src/rail_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#5254]: In some cases ships could be covered with land. 19:47:41 <Eddi|zuHause> NGC3982: the trucks would only go short distances. the long distances are made by larger trains with transfer order 19:50:13 <Aztec> Are there other resources besides the ottd wiki and openttdcoop with tutorials/additional information about building? 19:50:22 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 19:51:37 <NGC3982> Eddi|zuHause: i think i catch your drift. 19:51:41 <NGC3982> ill give it a shot. 19:51:48 <NGC3982> that said; FIRS is hard. really hard. 19:52:06 <Alberth> Aztec: the forums, and many other TTD sites 19:52:10 <NGC3982> ..and i like it as much. :) 19:52:33 <Alberth> NGC3982: just don't deliver supplies :) 19:52:45 <Aztec> So I just have to keep clicking and reading. :D 19:53:10 <NGC3982> Alberth: say what? :p 19:54:23 <Alberth> Aztec: don't forget to experiment with the game :p 19:54:57 <NGC3982> dont miss the olympics thingy right now, guys. 19:56:08 <Aztec> Oh I still have long way to go so there are a lot of experimnets i've yet to do. ;D I'd never be able to build a self regulating network - hell my ML is still jamming. But it's interesting to see what other people have build and what's possible. 19:56:56 <Eddi|zuHause> Aztec: there's a savegame forum where people occasionally show what they built 20:01:04 *** Alberth [~hat3@2001:980:272e:1:21a:92ff:fe55:fc8d] has left #openttd [] 20:03:27 <Aztec> So i probably should check it out, thanks. I didn't really have a look at the forum, yet. 20:42:27 <Terkhen> good night 20:43:46 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-91-80.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:53:30 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d161-184-227-133.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 20:55:47 <Aztec> I've seen it several times now, is there any advantage of using One-Way PBS on the ML? 20:57:03 <Belugas> VACATIONS!!! 20:57:08 <Eddi|zuHause> Aztec: there is no difference in behaviour if there is no switch 20:57:08 <Belugas> See you in two weeks!!!!! 20:57:17 <Rubidium> have fun Belugas 20:57:46 <Aztec> Bye Belugas, enjoy! 20:59:58 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.91.71] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:12:31 *** prooz [prooz@student-142-249.hig.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:27:05 *** prooz [prooz@public-142-249.hig.no] has joined #openttd 21:30:24 *** Sleepie [~Sleepie@p4FFFD3E5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:30:40 <Sleepie> hello 21:38:23 <planetmaker> Aztec: join MP servers. Learn from others 21:38:34 <planetmaker> Belugas: enjoy! 21:39:20 <planetmaker> Aztec: I can recommend the #openttdcoop welcome server in particular, if you're interested in stuff like the srnw. Or join the real thing, the main server of coop 22:00:56 <Sleepie> *facepalm* 22:01:43 <Sleepie> I still get blocked when trying to do edits on the wiki 22:02:10 <Eddi|zuHause> you're a spammer. 22:02:39 <Eddi|zuHause> you can tell that by having a t-dialin.net address 22:03:17 <Sleepie> It seems its bad to be a customer of the of the biggest ISPs in germany :( 22:03:24 <Eddi|zuHause> :p 22:03:26 <Sleepie> +one 22:03:34 *** Elukka [Elukka@78-27-97-92.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 22:04:14 <frosch123> well, the spambots had no problem posting today, when they noticed that we forgot to setup a captcha for unregistered edits :s 22:04:17 <Sleepie> Looking at http://wiki.openttd.org/Special:BlockList while still being logged in my name pops up on nearly all entries of 2009 and 2006 22:04:55 <Sleepie> frosch123: Yep I had seen it some minutes ago, there were messing around like crazy 22:05:33 <frosch123> yeah, but for some reason the bots only noticed it yesterday 22:05:36 <frosch123> not the days before 22:05:43 <Eddi|zuHause> captchas only work when they're custom made 22:05:59 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: no captcha at all for sure does not work 22:06:21 <Eddi|zuHause> we need the kitten-test! 22:08:18 <Sleepie> at least the captchas seem to prevent them from posting links 22:08:54 <Sleepie> maybe anom edits should be forbidden too 22:09:10 <frosch123> as long as only single bots are able to enter, the rollback is enough 22:09:23 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@81.152.252.18] has joined #openttd 22:09:27 <frosch123> it only gets annoying if 10 bots modify a page before notice 22:10:25 <Sleepie> frosch123: any idea what to do so can contribute again? Like now it seems I have no chance at all 22:10:34 <Sleepie> +I 22:10:45 <frosch123> we have no idea at all 22:11:04 <Sleepie> :( 22:12:48 <frosch123> we could make you a moderator, maybe that prevents you from being blocked :p 22:13:46 <Sleepie> we can try 22:14:37 <Sleepie> or just lift the old blocks 22:15:06 <frosch123> i don't quite believe that the old blocks are really causing it 22:15:46 <Sleepie> well the thing is still strange.. 22:16:19 <Sleepie> last time I tried about 3 days ago I could make a few edits 22:16:47 <Sleepie> then it happened again while I still had the same IP 22:18:01 <frosch123> try to login again 22:18:09 <Sleepie> maybe some of the extensions is not compatible with the new mediaiki version 22:18:11 <Sleepie> ok 22:18:40 <frosch123> if you are still banned, maybe you can unban yourself :p 22:20:10 <Sleepie> ok I'm still banned, on which page I have to look for unban? 22:20:37 <frosch123> the special.blocklist one 22:20:52 <Sleepie> ok I'll try 22:23:13 <Sleepie> hmm... I cannot find the "button" to unban there 22:23:39 <Sleepie> and my name isn't on the list either 22:24:16 <Sleepie> but user 'kristy' now seems to get all those blocks I had before 22:24:43 *** ludde [~b@c80-217-210-102.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:25:35 <frosch123> the should be some "change block" button 22:25:57 <Sleepie> not for me :P 22:26:16 <Sleepie> seems moderators cannot unblock then 22:28:33 <frosch123> TrueBrain: can user rights be changed via the wiki interface? or does that need ldap magic? 22:28:55 <TrueBrain> frosch123: both; depends on what you want? 22:29:12 <frosch123> i tried adding sleepie to wiki-sysop group 22:29:12 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:29:34 <TrueBrain> both LDAP as mediawiki groups work 22:29:37 <TrueBrain> so either one will do 22:29:42 <TrueBrain> so yeah, that works 22:29:50 <Sleepie> is 'kristy' really blocked? Or is that another one like me - collateral damage 22:29:59 <frosch123> Sleepie: do you have to option to move pages? 22:30:18 <TrueBrain> as far as I can tell, users are still hitting eachother with the autoban 22:30:24 <TrueBrain> and I couldn't find how to disable autoban completely 22:30:36 <Sleepie> yes 22:30:50 <frosch123> did you have that option before? 22:31:10 <Sleepie> hmm I'm not sure but I guess not 22:31:15 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 22:31:34 <TrueBrain> frosch123: maybe we should just flush the whole ban list? 22:31:40 <frosch123> can you edit the frontpage or only view the source? 22:31:41 <TrueBrain> most bans are really old 22:32:05 <Sleepie> TrueBrain: I wouldn't remove all bans 22:32:16 <frosch123> TrueBrain: if you have an easy way to do that :) 22:32:39 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.91.71] has joined #openttd 22:32:40 <Sleepie> maybe all older than one year and then lets see how it goes 22:32:42 <TrueBrain> hit the button N times? 22:33:18 <Sleepie> ^simple but tedious 22:33:23 <frosch123> there is no single click unban 22:33:24 <TrueBrain> guess I can empty the table, but unsure if that does all we want it to do 22:33:54 <Sleepie> depends if there are any relations to other stuff 22:34:12 <TrueBrain> no shit 22:34:13 <TrueBrain> lol 22:34:38 <TrueBrain> kristy is banned a lot of times, lolz 22:35:00 <Sleepie> same for me 15 minutes ago 22:35:23 <Sleepie> but even I'm now not on the list I couldn't edit anyway 22:35:43 <TrueBrain> its really autoblock keeping itself alive 22:35:51 <TrueBrain> will take 24+h nobody editing I guess for it to solve 22:35:54 <TrueBrain> which is not going to happen :P 22:36:20 <Sleepie> forbid editing on all pages :P 22:36:34 <Sleepie> and make a pointer on the main page 22:36:54 <Sleepie> but I guess the one-click button for it is not invented 22:37:16 <TrueBrain> there 22:37:18 <TrueBrain> empty block list 22:37:20 <TrueBrain> lolz 22:38:00 <Sleepie> ok I'll do another try... 22:38:43 <TrueBrain> frosch123: can you revoke his sysop rights later? Mediawiki tells me he doesn't have them, but he appears to do? I dunno, odd interface :P 22:39:36 <Sleepie> yeah it worked :) 22:40:29 <frosch123> removed the group again, though it is not logged :p 22:40:35 <TrueBrain> frosch123: lolz 22:40:44 <TrueBrain> and FYI: Wiki-NNN, are assigned by LDAP 22:40:47 <TrueBrain> they are copied to ... 22:40:53 <TrueBrain> the non Wiki- ones 22:41:04 <TrueBrain> in LocalSettings it copies the rights administrator has to Wiki-Sysop 22:41:09 <TrueBrain> which comes from LDAP 22:41:28 <frosch123> so, i would have had set him to administrator? 22:42:03 <TrueBrain> both work, but yes 22:42:12 <frosch123> administrator has more rights 22:42:17 <TrueBrain> I _think_ the Wiki- entries are reloaded once in a while 22:42:35 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:42:36 <TrueBrain> ah, yes, I didn't copy all rights I see 22:43:02 <frosch123> the add group "check users" should only be for bureaoucrats 22:43:03 <TrueBrain> only the checkuser differs, not? 22:43:07 <Sleepie> user right changes are not logged? 22:43:09 <frosch123> or however they are written 22:43:34 <frosch123> these groupnames are so confusing 22:43:42 <TrueBrain> they are 22:43:48 <frosch123> one should think that "administrator" is the most powerful one 22:43:53 <frosch123> but bureaucrats are more 22:43:55 <TrueBrain> from my understand, Bureaucrats is implied by Administrator 22:44:15 <frosch123> oh, right 22:44:17 <TrueBrain> http://wiki.openttd.org/Special:ListGroupRights agrees with my statement, and disagrees with yours 22:44:22 <frosch123> i thought they did not have the "edit user rights" 22:44:23 <TrueBrain> but ... I hate the naming 22:44:26 <TrueBrain> it is fucking confusing 22:44:55 <Sleepie> I guess this explains it all http://wiki.openttd.org/Special:ListGroupRights 22:45:03 <TrueBrain> btw, I am very tempted to close editing for anonymous 22:45:06 <Sleepie> still a bit confusing though 22:45:06 <frosch123> i have no idea why there is a group that gives you more user right-management rights, but no edit rights 22:45:21 <Sleepie> TrueBrain: +1 22:45:30 <frosch123> TrueBrain: we just enabled the captcha :p 22:45:35 <TrueBrain> I know :P 22:45:39 <TrueBrain> but reading through the Recent Changes 22:45:43 <TrueBrain> it annoys me I see IPs 22:45:44 <TrueBrain> and not names 22:45:49 <TrueBrain> I cannot contact anyone asking why he made a change 22:45:54 <TrueBrain> I don't see the point 22:46:11 <frosch123> i never had to ask anyone 22:46:12 <Sleepie> I'm all for it 22:46:18 <frosch123> either stuff is correct or wrong 22:46:40 <TrueBrain> well, you work with it more than I, so I will leave it then :) 22:46:56 <frosch123> anyway, i don't mind it being disabled 22:47:03 <frosch123> would be consistent with the rest :) 22:49:23 <TrueBrain> I consulted the other devs too, we will see what comes out of it :P 22:49:26 <TrueBrain> for now, time to find my bed 22:49:28 <TrueBrain> night 22:49:50 <Sleepie> night and many thanks frosch123 and TrueBrain 22:52:03 <TrueBrain> and tnx frosch123 for cleaning up the wiki :) 22:53:04 <frosch123> :) 22:54:58 <frosch123> night 22:55:01 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d00b9e0.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:58:39 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has quit [Quit: Hugs to all] 23:01:08 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc10-linl9-2-0-cust80.18-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into] 23:14:39 <NGC3982> 4.113.000.000 viewers. 23:14:51 <NGC3982> i would be a bit and a half nervous. 23:27:56 <Sleepie> Olympia? 23:30:17 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-91-80.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:31:27 <NGC3982> mhm 23:34:35 <Sleepie> Well I wasn't one of them :P 23:35:04 <Sleepie> I'm more interested in the winter games 23:37:15 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:37:29 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@81.152.252.18] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 15.0/20120717110313]] 23:49:26 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd []