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09:26:56 <Alberth> that is, it fails in what way? 09:27:48 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d172-218-2-5.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: for the love of god this is not safe for work] 09:38:18 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has joined #openttd 09:41:24 <TheDude> in TTfoundry http://www.tt-foundry.com/sets/FIRS/schema/cargos is RCYC ID as 1E, but in FIRS it is 1F 09:43:00 <andythenorth> plausible 09:43:03 * andythenorth will check 09:43:41 <andythenorth> meh 09:43:54 <andythenorth> can't remember which slot NARS 2 regearing takes 09:45:22 <TheDude> but I guess I can just use good cargo table, and I dont need to care about this 09:46:00 <TheDude> and I thiunk not or cargo classes are correct on tt foundry 09:46:02 <TheDude> also, upon what is decided the definition of sugar cane and sugar beet? 09:46:14 <Supercheese> tropical vs nontropical, no? 09:46:45 <andythenorth> looks like regearing is in 30 (1E) I think 09:46:49 <andythenorth> I'll update the site 09:47:01 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d08e46f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 09:47:16 <TheDude> thanks 09:47:22 <andythenorth> done 09:47:37 <andythenorth> cargo classes on tt-foundry are not correct 09:47:45 <andythenorth> I'll link them to wiki instead 09:47:54 <TheDude> I am updating my set after almost a year, and I forgot lots of the system I chose 09:48:16 <Alberth> a good chance to document how it works now :) 09:49:01 <TheDude> well, I have this lovely excel tables in colours, but it is quite messy 09:51:47 <andythenorth> TheDude: http://213.133.67.181:8192/zz_dangerous_things/tt_foundry/sets/FIRS/schema/cargos 09:52:20 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-074-240.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 09:53:21 <andythenorth> TheDude Sugar Beet and Sugarcane are different cargos 09:53:31 <andythenorth> beet is non-tropic, cane is tropice 09:53:50 <andythenorth> hmm 09:53:59 <andythenorth> tropice <- a merge of arctic and tropic :P 09:54:23 <TheDude> very logical :D 09:54:27 <TheDude> thanks for update 09:55:00 <TheDude> would you know how is George doing? havent heard of him for some time 09:55:00 <NataS> i want global regions 09:55:05 <andythenorth> no you don't 09:55:09 <andythenorth> you think you do 09:55:17 <NataS> with climate varation by latitude and rain shadow 09:55:20 <andythenorth> but it's yet another case of "more looks like better, but isn't" 09:55:29 <andythenorth> make choices 09:55:33 <andythenorth> everything all at once is boring 09:55:44 <andythenorth> it makes the game flat and lack texture in the long run 09:55:58 <NataS> at very least, I'd want deserts in tropic maps to use rainshadows 09:56:02 <NataS> and not really 09:56:17 <NataS> it would be intresting to see varrying terrain 09:56:29 <NataS> I don't like temprate because it's all green 09:56:38 <NataS> while Arctic has variable snowlines 09:56:52 <NataS> and Tropic has jungles, farmland, and deserts 09:56:54 * andythenorth wonders how the python conversion of FIRS is going 09:57:23 <NataS> if I could have them all in one map, it would be nice varation 09:57:41 <NataS> I don't see how getting more than one biome on a map would make it lack texture 09:57:50 <NataS> that's a contradiction. 09:57:56 <andythenorth> every new game you start is the same then 09:58:15 <NataS> ...no 09:58:37 <NataS> maps would still be diffrent 09:58:42 <planetmaker> moin 09:58:48 <NataS> also, the ability to make a map mostly one biome would exist 09:58:57 <andythenorth> it's an apt case of 'more is better' fallacy 09:59:02 <NataS> like you could have a tropic map with snowcovered mountains. 09:59:14 <andythenorth> as per any kid who gets a free run at 'have as many icecream flavours as you like' 09:59:14 <NataS> well whatever fallacy you are using needs a fancy name 09:59:22 <NataS> because your logic is pretty falicious right now 09:59:27 <planetmaker> TheDude: something I wondered about: you(?) seem to make a new bananas entry for each of the luukland trainsets. That's not required. And updating is also easier, if you keep the grfID and just increase the internal version of your newgrf 09:59:32 <NataS> okay 09:59:48 <NataS> having the ability to chose many ice cream flavors, and combinations thereof 09:59:50 <NataS> that's good 09:59:55 <NataS> eating all the flavors at once 09:59:55 <andythenorth> is 'falicious' something illegal in 15 states :) 09:59:56 <NataS> that's bad 10:00:09 <NataS> but having the ability to and actualy doing are diffrent things 10:00:17 <NataS> you should be able to do anything 10:00:24 <NataS> if it's a bad idea, that's the user's problem 10:00:52 <planetmaker> ice cream would be a good toyland cargo... for the fridge vehicles and wagons 10:01:05 <NataS> anyways 10:01:19 <NataS> Alpine climate exists 10:01:24 <andythenorth> more climates in one map <= new map array? 10:01:26 <NataS> alpine+tropic would be cool 10:01:44 <NataS> as would a map maker than can simulate rainshadows 10:01:52 <NataS> instead of random deserts 10:01:54 <planetmaker> andythenorth: yes and no. I needs one or two more bits 10:01:55 <NataS> which are ugly 10:02:33 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-189-171.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 10:02:36 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 10:02:41 <planetmaker> which might work with some bit shuffling. At least in the vast majority of cases. Not sure all cases can be solved easily 10:03:17 <TheDude> planetmaker, the second entry made Luukland himself, dont know why 10:03:24 <planetmaker> andythenorth: already one bit move would give you 8 instead of 4 different climate zones 10:03:31 <TheDude> he wanted some update by his own 10:04:01 <planetmaker> hm, ok. I just wondered about the multitude of independent citybuilders and trainsets there 10:04:16 <planetmaker> it's not really necessary and quite confusing to the average joe user, I'd say 10:04:31 <TheDude> are you able to delete grf from that list? 10:04:45 <TheDude> there are some that will not be used anymore 10:05:13 <planetmaker> well, we don't delete. But it's feasible to set the (OpenTTD) versio nrequirements such that it is invisible unless you need it for a savegame 10:05:32 <planetmaker> which is actually also something the authors can do themselves 10:05:40 <planetmaker> just set a very low max. OpenTTD version 10:05:42 <TheDude> good to know 10:05:49 <TheDude> thanks 10:05:51 <planetmaker> np 10:07:38 *** Elukka [Elukka@78-27-97-92.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:08:32 *** Elu [Elukka@78-27-97-92.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:08:33 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-41-178.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:08:43 *** Elu [Elukka@78-27-97-92.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 10:11:41 <Alberth> planetmaker: fridge vehicles are not good, you don't see the ice cream then 10:12:02 <planetmaker> :-) true. A transport like bubbles is better 10:12:22 <planetmaker> ready-to-serve ice cream cones 10:13:30 <Alberth> hmm, perhaps a quite literal 'fridge', with lots of frozen water hanging from the wagon when it carries ice creams 10:15:29 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@95.232.234.29] has joined #openttd 10:15:36 <Alberth> hello Wolf01 10:15:41 <Wolf01> hai! 10:16:13 <Alberth> you're in a good mood, sunny weather there? 10:19:56 <Wolf01> yeah, and it's too much hot and humid 10:20:39 <Wolf01> and I'm on vacation, finally :D 10:22:47 * planetmaker envies Wolf01 10:22:55 <planetmaker> and greets him, too :-) 10:25:39 <andythenorth> just make the ice cream vans transparent 10:25:44 <andythenorth> encased in ice 10:25:48 <Rubidium> why would you envy Wolf01? Don't you get holidays? I wouldn't like it if my holiday were too hot and too humid 10:26:30 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@modemcable133.8-80-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 10:26:37 <planetmaker> I get holidays in 6 days :-) 10:26:47 <planetmaker> Next Friday I'm heading off to Switzerland ;-) 10:26:53 <drac_boy> hi 10:27:01 <Alberth> andythenorth: good idea, transport a big piece of ice! 10:27:18 <planetmaker> hi drac_boy 10:27:23 <drac_boy> hm is andythenorth still trying to code too much as usual? :) 10:27:53 <planetmaker> yes :-P 10:28:01 <planetmaker> though I'd call it "just right" 10:28:03 <Alberth> don't know, this is just about the best way to transport ice creams in toyland 10:28:34 * drac_boy has been thinking about slowly getting back to my grf that I had to put off due to other things before as well tho 10:28:46 <drac_boy> stil got the whole tracking table and everything 10:29:02 <andythenorth> hmm 10:29:08 <andythenorth> improved docks? 10:30:42 <Alberth> it looks like a hacky solution to me; if you can move the ship into a station tile, imho you can also extend the station by one tile 10:31:09 <Rubidium> oh, a dev camp with Ammler and planetmaker? ;) 10:31:21 <planetmaker> hm, sadly not quite :-) 10:31:53 <Alberth> Rubidium: not a 3k party, but a 3k week :) 10:32:12 <planetmaker> :D 10:39:03 <drac_boy> btw what are you working on now andythenorth? 10:44:30 * planetmaker assumes "stuff" ;-) 10:48:34 <Alberth> or *various newgrfs* 10:49:01 <drac_boy> Alberth exactly what is he working on anyway? I only recall FIRS 10:49:19 <Alberth> firs, fish, heqs, pixa, bandit 10:49:35 *** KritiK [~Maxim@176.14.103.64] has joined #openttd 10:49:52 <drac_boy> pixa? 10:51:20 <Alberth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=58543&hilit=pixa 10:53:25 <drac_boy> mm ok 10:54:34 * andythenorth off 10:54:35 <andythenorth> byw 10:54:38 <andythenorth> bye* 10:54:39 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 10:59:50 *** flaa [~flaa@cable-roi-ff30c000-246.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 11:00:17 <drac_boy> so what are the rest of you doing now anyway? :P 11:00:28 <planetmaker> "stuff" ;-) 11:01:49 <drac_boy> planetmaker so basically you have no idea what you're doing? :) 11:03:37 <planetmaker> I do. 11:10:54 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc937.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:11:02 <Alberth> usually 5 things at the same time :) 11:11:06 <Alberth> hi frosch123 11:11:50 <frosch123> hai albert :) 11:13:15 <drac_boy> Alberth heh...well either way I'm looking at whats left to finish yet in tracking table...sort out some ongoing webcoding issues..and otherwise checking a few different webshops I have to yet order from 11:13:18 <drac_boy> :) 11:18:51 <Alberth> ok :) /me is chatting to several people, reading forums, debugging/coding freerct, looking at zbase, zbasebuild, zbuild, reporting x11 crash and chat client problems, and thinking to make some black liquid called coffee :) 11:19:10 <drac_boy> freerct? hadn't realized that was still in some progress...might have to look it up 11:19:26 * drac_boy still has rct and one of its expansion pak yet 11:20:25 <Alberth> me being the major developer, and working on zb* implies freerct is not going forward much :) 11:20:38 <planetmaker> same with zephyris :-P 11:21:16 <Alberth> zephyris can't do much in freerct, except make graphics that cannot be used yet :p 11:21:33 <Alberth> so his time is better spent in zbase :) 11:21:42 <planetmaker> :-) 11:21:45 *** Vadtec [~Vadtec@2001:470:1f06:13e0::1337] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:23:44 *** Vadtec [~Vadtec@2001:470:1f06:13e0::1337] has joined #openttd 11:24:52 <drac_boy> hmm freerct could be interesting..if its just as low on hardware requirement too 11:24:58 <drac_boy> btw is it windows or windows/linux? 11:25:22 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:25:44 <Terkhen> why only those options? it could be linux only too :) 11:27:32 <Alberth> it is, currently :) 11:28:29 <Alberth> I am quite sure you could make it work at windows too, but nobody has done that yet 11:29:59 <Terkhen> I don't think that's a pressing issue, as soon as openrct starts to work someone interested(tm) will probably appear to port it to windows 11:31:10 <Alberth> yep, in fact I already had two emails about 'helping programming', but they both disappeared after I explained the first thing they needed to do is make it work at their OS :) 11:32:13 <Terkhen> people gets scared easily nowadays 11:32:19 <drac_boy> heh heh 11:32:29 <drac_boy> I wouldn't mind help testing it on the other hand :) 11:32:43 <Terkhen> making it compile on MinGW would probably be simple 11:34:42 <drac_boy> hmm one little question tho...is it independent gui or does it depend on any particular DE? 11:35:28 <Alberth> it uses SDL for displaying the gui 11:36:18 <drac_boy> mm sdl thats ok, as long as it does not do that 'does not work with most current sdl' bug that certain game are known too well for :s :) 11:37:07 <drac_boy> well either way, I'm still free for testing at some point 11:39:31 <Alberth> come back in a year or so :) 11:39:44 <Alberth> currently there is no 'game' to speak of 11:39:51 <drac_boy> :p 11:40:05 * drac_boy will just play rct then ;) 11:40:48 <Alberth> I thought you wanted to code a grf ;) 11:41:45 <drac_boy> alberth..actually its just tracking table and some sprites...going leave most of nfo to someone else 11:42:23 <Alberth> everybody is doing nml nowadays :) 11:43:27 *** mohwaqas12 [~peoplelog@182.177.64.223] has joined #openttd 11:43:31 <mohwaqas12> Hey all 11:43:36 <Alberth> hi 11:43:52 <drac_boy> alberth...try run nml in the patch tho so... :) 11:44:08 <planetmaker> drac_boy: yes. so what? 11:44:25 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:44:34 <Rubidium> chill should just update his patch 11:44:56 <planetmaker> :-) 11:46:14 <mohwaqas12> Hey , is there any other development manual for openttd or i have to read doxygen docs 11:46:38 <Alberth> the source code? :) 11:46:42 <planetmaker> :D 11:47:10 <Rubidium> there are some (outdated) bits on the wiki 11:47:25 <drac_boy> rubidium even if he did there'll still be a good need for keeping nfo parallel with nml tho, just saying :) 11:47:34 <Rubidium> but definitely no high level designs or something 11:47:45 <drac_boy> alberth good one :P 11:49:42 <mohwaqas12> okay sure, i m still setting up develpment environment :) 11:51:19 <drac_boy> :) me don't have much of one but I'm ok with it anyhow 12:04:33 <__ln__> http://www.emptyage.com/post/28679875595/yes-i-was-hacked-hard 12:08:21 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:08:53 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 12:15:31 <Alberth> the joys of connecting everything with everything else :) 12:36:54 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@modemcable133.8-80-70.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd [I'm done being in this room!] 12:41:06 <mohwaqas12> hey guys, i have set up openttd development environment and compiling it in eclipse for the first time. where should i start looking to learn more about it? 12:46:15 <frosch123> what stuff do you want to learn? 12:46:27 <frosch123> ottd is big, noone knows it complete :p 12:47:21 <mohwaqas12> yes i know, i just started it , so i dont know myself where to start 12:47:59 <frosch123> well, you have a specific goal? 12:48:35 <frosch123> https://secure.openttd.org/wiki/Todo_list <- or do you want to take a look at the todo list 12:48:52 <frosch123> (but mind that for some of the easy tasks there are already patches on flyspray) 12:50:09 <mohwaqas12> okay thanks for that, i will look into it 12:50:38 <frosch123> if you are interested in some task; ask first before working on it 12:50:55 <frosch123> as i said, some are already laying around in some fs task 12:54:57 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:e1fb:8fb7:4723:8d11] has joined #openttd 12:55:00 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:00:13 *** NataS [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 13:00:21 *** NataS [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has joined #openttd 13:15:42 *** mohwaqas12 [~peoplelog@182.177.64.223] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:24:35 *** mohwaqas12 [~peoplelog@182.177.64.223] has joined #openttd 13:27:19 <mohwaqas12> i have compiled openttd, do i have to compile opengfx to make it run 13:28:29 *** flaa [~flaa@cable-roi-ff30c000-246.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:28:31 <FLHerne> mohwaqas12: You can use a downloaded build fine :-) 13:28:45 <mohwaqas12> FLHerne: so where do i have to keep them 13:28:48 <Terkhen> mohwaqas12: no, you only need to download it and place it in the correct folder, check the readme for details 13:29:24 <mohwaqas12> okay thanks, i thought i must compile them too 13:30:11 <FLHerne> mohwaqas12: If you built current trunk, you want a nightly OGFX: http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/opengfx/nightlies/ 13:30:20 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AD23.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:32:04 <mohwaqas12> okay thanks,i am downloading them 13:36:42 <mohwaqas12> does it also requires original graphics 13:38:41 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@524B5F54.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:39:03 <Terkhen> mohwaqas12: no 13:46:30 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host86-133-9-237.range86-133.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:01:15 *** kamnet [4a8c8b51@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 14:02:54 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@524B5F54.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:07:00 *** kamnet [4a8c8b51@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 14:10:25 *** mohwaqas12 [~peoplelog@182.177.64.223] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:19:02 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:23:06 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@524B5F54.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:44:04 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@ip503d7ac1.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 14:54:06 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:06:25 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-189-171.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: c('~' )o] 15:08:51 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-189-171.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 15:08:54 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 15:22:47 *** Super_Random [~kvirc@75-102-176-79.d2.itctel.com] has joined #openttd 15:23:19 <telanus> does firs replace openttd's industries or only parts of it? 15:25:00 <Super_Random> I believe firs replaces most of the industries, but I know it leaves some of them 15:26:43 *** TheDude [~Miranda@2.237.broadband7.iol.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 15:28:03 <frosch123> i think it replaces all of them 15:28:11 <frosch123> it also replaces all cargos 15:28:28 <frosch123> firs is a "maxed" industry set :) 15:31:16 <telanus> Openttd's wood industry is still available, as I found out, as lumber in firs is translated in afrikaans the same as wood, thus I had 2 entries of "hout" in my refit option 15:32:35 <Alberth> it uses some of openttd original industry graphics 15:33:39 <telanus> I updated my firs translation to stop the confusion for afrikaans players 15:34:27 <telanus> http://goput.it/av8.jpg: English & http://goput.it/mcb.jpg for afrikaans 15:50:56 <Devroush> hi I was wondering, are there any new features planned for 1.2.2? 15:51:07 <Devroush> or will it be a bug fix release 15:51:18 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@94.13.8.182] has joined #openttd 15:51:40 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AD23.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:56:15 <Rubidium> is there some simple/standard (async) wrapper in python that allows you to send structures (dicts etc) over the network without bothering with doing multiple recvs until everything is read? In other words, a wrapper where you get the structure when it has been completely received? 16:05:40 <Super_Random> I just love signals.. 16:11:08 <Alberth> Rubidium: Twisted is the defacto-standard async programming framework, except it is somewhat ..... twisted 16:11:43 <Rubidium> so it's not simple 16:13:05 <Alberth> it's completely event driven 16:13:37 <Alberth> so your process steps get all broken into separate pieces that trigger events when ready 16:14:35 <Alberth> they say it is simple, but I never did enough with it to really grasp it 16:15:49 <Alberth> I have done other things with async, where you basically collect all IO-handles you want to wait for, wait for some event from one of those handles, wake up and handle it, and loop 16:16:12 <Alberth> unfortunately, async programming is always very messy. 16:17:24 <Rubidium> all I see in the examples is 'lineReceived' 16:18:23 <Eddi|zuHause> so you just pickle/unpickle things? 16:20:09 <Alberth> lineReceived is for line-based streams 16:20:44 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: it's for network code, so when a page says within the first section "not intended to be secure against erroneous or maliciously constructed data" I immediately red-flag that 16:24:24 <Alberth> you have several connections I assume? 16:24:32 <Rubidium> yep 16:24:45 <Rubidium> not that likely in reality, but still 16:25:14 <Alberth> doing anything else besides IO ? 16:25:41 <Rubidium> credentials check 16:25:46 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: so you need another wrapper to ensure the data is not maliciously altered? 16:26:08 <Rubidium> validating received stuff against a database 16:26:14 <Rubidium> putting stuff into a database 16:26:44 <Rubidium> validating massive, as in 200+ MB, incoming data streams for certain characteristics 16:27:33 <Eddi|zuHause> not sure what that even means 16:28:08 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: maliciously altered... okay, but what about maliciously constructed 16:28:22 <Rubidium> after all, expect the worst coming from the network (in this case internet) 16:31:13 <Alberth> pickle is useless 16:32:40 *** telanus1 [~telanus@196-210-226-47.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #openttd 16:36:16 *** telanus [~telanus@196-210-226-47.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:42:28 <Alberth> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/1624/ this is the simplest approach I have found so far 16:43:05 <Alberth> it lacks many details, including creation of new jobs, but hopefully you get the idea 16:43:59 *** KouDy [~KouDy@105.41.49.60.kmr01-home.tm.net.my] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:26:14 <Sacro> http://www.reddit.com/r/openttd/comments/xo1jp/121_bug_openmsx_fail/ 17:39:38 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:45:33 *** peoplelogic [~peoplelog@182.177.64.223] has joined #openttd 17:46:54 *** peoplelogic is now known as mohwaqas12 17:48:02 <mohwaqas12> how to compile openttd with debugging symbols in order to debug using gdb 17:51:31 <Alberth> ./configure --enable-debug and then 'make' :) 17:52:00 <Alberth> hmm, perhaps first a 'make clean' to ensure you rebuild everything 17:55:42 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: almost everything is simple if you leave out the details :p 17:55:48 *** Arafangion [~Arafangio@220-244-108-23.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:56:12 <Eddi|zuHause> (if it's not, you should probably not try to program it) 18:00:39 <Alberth> :) 18:00:58 <Alberth> If it's not, you did not abstract away enough details :p 18:01:15 <Eddi|zuHause> http://cdn3.spiegel.de/images/image-384246-panoV9free-bjet.jpg 18:02:53 <Alberth> :) 18:05:40 <frosch123> mohwaqas12: ./configure --enable-debug=3 to also disable optimisations, so debug is easier 18:07:38 <Eddi|zuHause> why using iDevices (or anything with "remote wipe") is a seriously bad idea: http://www.emptyage.com/post/28679875595/yes-i-was-hacked-hard 18:08:52 <frosch123> [13:28] <__ln__> http://www.emptyage.com/post/28679875595/yes-i-was-hacked-hard 18:09:06 <frosch123> sorry :p 18:09:09 <Eddi|zuHause> ok, i wasn't really paying attention today :p 18:09:50 * Alberth fixes his configure script 18:10:31 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: when switching between debug/release, no make clean is necessary 18:11:26 <Alberth> oh, it rebuilds everything by itself? smart system 18:11:38 * Alberth pats ./configure 18:11:56 <Eddi|zuHause> it keeps the object files separate, so you can switch back and forth easily 18:12:30 <Alberth> oh, even better than rebuilding :) 18:12:42 <Alberth> I never build releases :D 18:14:53 <frosch123> yeah, release builds are only needed to debug optimisation bugs 18:16:05 *** telanus1 is now known as telanus 18:27:12 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host86-133-9-237.range86-133.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:36:58 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AD23.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:02:31 *** mohwaqas12 [~peoplelog@182.177.64.223] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:10:30 *** Alberth [~hat3@2001:980:272e:1:21a:92ff:fe55:fc8d] has left #openttd [] 19:23:20 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:24:02 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 19:31:21 *** telanus [~telanus@196-210-226-47.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:36:58 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host86-133-9-237.range86-133.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:53:14 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d161-184-227-133.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 19:56:06 *** Super_Random [~kvirc@75-102-176-79.d2.itctel.com] has quit [Quit: In capatilist America, thing's own you.] 20:07:10 *** Super_Random [~kvirc@75-102-176-79.d2.itctel.com] has joined #openttd 20:09:01 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d172-218-2-5.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 20:19:32 *** M1zera [~Miranda@ip-78-102-217-126.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Server closed connection] 20:19:44 *** M1zera [~Miranda@ip-78-102-217-126.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 20:51:56 *** TheDude [~Miranda@2.237.broadband7.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 21:34:26 *** Super_Random [~kvirc@75-102-176-79.d2.itctel.com] has quit [Quit: In capatilist America, thing's own you.] 21:49:10 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@78.96.213.97] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 21:56:42 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 22:08:12 *** Chris_Booth is now known as Guest1874 22:08:18 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host86-133-9-237.range86-133.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:14:24 *** Guest1874 [~chatzilla@host86-133-9-237.range86-133.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:32:59 *** Elukka [Elukka@78-27-97-92.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 22:34:52 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d08e46f.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us] 22:54:06 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host86-133-9-237.range86-133.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 15.0/20120724191344]] 23:27:50 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc937.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:35:29 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:41:51 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d172-218-2-5.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:41:58 *** KritiK [~Maxim@176.14.103.64] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:52:23 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 23:52:33 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d172-218-21-109.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd