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00:15:22  <Bad_Brett> that would be pretty cool
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00:19:06  <Bad_Brett> preview of what you could do with eddi's patch. and keep in mind i'm only using 4 animation frames here:
00:19:12  <Bad_Brett> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGUnjnNEfGE&feature=youtu.be&hd=1
00:23:20  <Supercheese> hot dang
00:23:22  <Supercheese> that is amazing
00:26:35  <Bad_Brett> it looked rather ridiculous without the patch
00:26:40  <Bad_Brett> thanks
00:27:42  <Bad_Brett> now it's time to try out supercheese subway mod!
00:32:12  <Bad_Brett> hmm... i seem to be encountering an error... for some reason i can't set any waypoints
00:32:31  <Bad_Brett> the game tells me that the subway can't reach the station
00:32:47  <Supercheese> waypoints?
00:32:53  <Supercheese> also: you have to use drivethrough stops
00:32:56  <Bad_Brett> yeah
00:33:00  <Supercheese> not terminal TTD style stops
00:33:02  <Bad_Brett> i just discovered that
00:33:13  <Supercheese> I mentioned that somewhere in the wall of text thread ;)
00:33:27  <Bad_Brett> sounds logical
00:33:34  <Bad_Brett> now lets see
00:35:41  <Bad_Brett> works really well
00:36:27  <Bad_Brett> since the cargo capacity is so big the roads shouldn't be congested
00:36:52  <Supercheese> if the cargo capacity is too large for you, the parameter changes that to more UKRS-y levels
00:38:25  <Bad_Brett> alright... this may seem like a stupid question, but how do i get a train with 8 wagons?
00:38:35  <Supercheese> refit
00:38:42  <Supercheese> send to a depot if not there already
00:38:51  <Supercheese> and use the refit option
00:39:07  <Bad_Brett> oh yeah... that's pretty clever
00:39:30  <Bad_Brett> that's why you wanted the option to "sell" wagons
00:40:15  <Bad_Brett> and it works as well, really cool
00:55:40  <Bad_Brett> it would be cool to build a subway line to the airport... so that you don't need 10 buses everytime a plane lands
00:55:47  <Supercheese> yep
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01:02:48  <Bad_Brett> sounds exciting... maybe i should actually _play_ the game for once... :D
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07:26:24  <pschulz01> Greetings.. other than looking at the code (which I suspect I will need to do) is there any documentation on the savefile format?
07:27:43  <Supercheese> Well, the wiki page is sparse: http://wiki.openttd.org/Savegame
07:28:00  <pschulz01> Supercheese: Yup!
07:28:13  <Supercheese> Hmm http://wiki.openttd.org/?title=OpenTTDDevBlackBook/Map/SaveGame&action=edit
07:28:18  <Supercheese> that may be of more interest
07:28:36  <Supercheese> still sparse
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07:29:32  <Supercheese> ignore the action=edit
07:29:36  <Supercheese> dunno why that got into the link
07:29:52  <pschulz01> Supercheese: :-) I'm now looking for the Doxyen doco.
07:31:22  <pschulz01> Hmm.. http://docs.openttd.org/
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07:32:49  <planetmaker> pschulz01, if your intention is to make a savegame editor or so: savegame chunks change without notice
07:33:09  <planetmaker> you currently will have to implement well over 100 versions
07:33:24  <pschulz01> planetmaker: No.. I would like to run AI's and then query the savegame for data.
07:33:33  <Supercheese> The fellow seeking to implement OTTD in a browser has some stuff
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07:34:05  <Supercheese> http://code.google.com/p/webttd/wiki/OpenTTDsavegameXMLexport
07:34:10  <Supercheese> Dunno what to make of it
07:34:27  <Supercheese> old info
07:34:27  <pschulz01> Supercheese: Ahha.. that might well be what I'm after.
07:34:38  <NGC3982> morning
07:34:54  <Supercheese> btw, I just Googled for "ottd save game" to find that :P
07:35:05  <pschulz01> Supercheese: .. but I can look at the code
07:36:39  <planetmaker> pschulz01, you cannot rely on the presence of any savegame really
07:37:21  <planetmaker> there is some way via the NoAI API to save some data in the game and load it again - which I strongly suggest to use
07:37:45  <pschulz01> planetmaker: I'll be using a specific version of openttd
07:38:25  <pschulz01> planetmaker: Ok. I will look at th NoAI API.
07:38:55  <pschulz01> planetmaker: That mae be useful for dumping data for a 'game in progress'
07:38:58  <pschulz01> may
07:39:22  <pschulz01> can AI
07:39:29  <pschulz01> can AI's be spectators?
07:39:39  <planetmaker> pschulz01, if you run an AI you don't need to query any savegame as the game actually is running. Thus use the normal accessors
07:39:47  <planetmaker> A savegame may be well outdated already
07:39:51  <planetmaker> AIs are not spectators
07:40:09  <planetmaker> AIs are players and they're meant to be that
07:40:18  <pschulz01> planetmaker: ok.
07:40:52  <planetmaker> And "dumping data" is not really useful as well - as a savegame qua definition is "all the data you can want"
07:41:19  <planetmaker> what is actually your real intention?
07:41:27  <planetmaker> "dumping data" is nothing you do without reason
07:41:40  <planetmaker> it's at best a means to achieve another goal
07:42:36  <pschulz01> planetmaker: I want to use OpenTTD to generate traffic network data that I can use in another program.
07:42:57  <pschulz01> planetmaker: *blink*
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07:54:08  <planetmaker> ah well, no patience :-)
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08:13:25  <Supercheese> good night
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08:13:30  <Supercheese> valete omnes
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08:19:19  <Terkhen> good morning
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10:32:59  <newbie> hi
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10:33:05  <BenTrein> Hi
10:33:36  <Der_Herr> where do i have to upload/post a patch concerning heightmap loading via console?
10:35:10  <planetmaker> supposedly I'd go first for our development (sub)forum at tt-forums.net
10:35:56  <planetmaker> if you believe that it's finished, you could go and suggest it at our issue tracker at bugs.openttd.org
10:36:27  <planetmaker> mind the coding style then :-)
10:36:38  <Der_Herr> it refers to a feature wish in your bug tracking system http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2155?do=details&task_id=2155&action=details.add_notification&ids=2155&user_id=2232
10:36:45  <planetmaker> http://wiki.openttd.org/Coding_style
10:36:53  <Der_Herr> thats why i ask
10:37:30  <planetmaker> if you write a patch concerning a ticket... it might be prudent to reply with the patch in that thread there indeed
10:38:52  <planetmaker> discussing in forums sometimes is still (or additionally) a good idea. More people seem to read forums while the bug tracker often is only noticed by us devs and few other people
10:38:58  <planetmaker> (which is ok)
10:39:52  <Der_Herr> so it would be best if i post it as answer to the ticket and open a new forum thread?
10:45:08  <planetmaker> that's what I'd do, yes
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10:47:49  <fjb> Moin
10:59:46  <planetmaker> hi fjb
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12:00:20  <Der_Herr> I posted: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=62677 and http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2155
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13:39:35  <Belugas> hello
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16:04:45  <Belugas> arg... got to delete a song... not enough space on phone card :(
16:07:53  <Eddi|zuHause> get a bigger card!
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16:21:28  <planetmaker> ver nice comment, peter1138 :-)
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16:40:46  <Alberth> hi
16:47:13  <planetmaker> hi Alberth
16:47:41  <Alberth> hi, I already wondered where everyone is :)
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16:49:59  <planetmaker> blown away by the winds, if I look out of my window
16:51:29  <Alberth> oh, it's not windy here, just very dark
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17:02:39  <fjb> Moin Alberth
17:02:44  * fjb is still here.
17:03:26  <Alberth> so I see :)     moin fjb
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17:36:12  <Wolf01> hello
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17:45:00  <Alberth> hello
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19:01:09  <fjb> http://www.flickr.com/photos/infjb/7986215090/in/set-72157631526703349/
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19:59:57  <Der_Herr> approx when can i expect some response to my posted patch?
20:08:31  <Yexo> Der_Herr: whenever someone has time to review it
20:09:12  <Yexo> some comments: please check your comments for correctness / english: "Get heightmap file informations. It Only considers given paths."
20:09:44  <Yexo> GetFiosHeightmapItem <- I don't think that function belongs in console_cmds.cpp but rather in fios.cpp or something similar
20:10:14  <Yexo> +DEF_CONSOLE_CMD(ConNewHeightmapGame) <- comments above that are // style, not /** style like required
20:10:28  <Yexo> IConsoleHelp("Start a new gameusing a heightmap <- missing space
20:10:51  <Yexo> two lines further down the lines in the if-block are not indented properly
20:11:21  <Yexo> +	//StartNewHeightMapGameWithoutGUI((argc == 2) ? <- don't add commented-out code
20:11:40  <Yexo> +	IConsoleCmdRegister("newheightmapgame",		ConNewHeightmapGame); <- only tabs at the beginning of the line, use spaces in all other places
20:13:36  <Yexo> how does this function behave when you're in the scenario editor?
20:26:05  <Snail> Speaking of proposals... How about some response to adding a different way of counting in randomaction2 type84? :)
20:27:31  <Yexo> I'm not sure if that's the best way
20:27:53  <Yexo> ask frosch tomorrow, he had some ideas about it I think
20:28:13  <Snail> An alternative would be to implement var5F through var61
20:30:09  <Snail> I'd be happy with either solution
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21:33:49  <Terkhen> good night
21:41:46  <Der_Herr> fixed the patch, the command behaves fine in the scenario editor
21:42:18  <Yexo> define "behaves fine"
21:42:28  <Yexo> does it load the heightmap in the scenario editor or does it start a new game?
21:42:35  <Der_Herr> it loads the heightmap
21:42:49  <Yexo> in the editor or not?
21:42:55  <Der_Herr> in the editor
21:43:19  <Yexo> that's not what I'd expect "newheightmapgame" to do
21:43:39  <Yexo> I think "load_heightmap" would be a better name
21:45:10  <Yexo> also it doesn't look like any error is printed when it fails to load the specified heightmap (file found, but invalid)
21:45:19  <Yexo> or is that already hidden elsewhere in the code?
21:46:13  <Der_Herr> i kept the GetFiosHeightmapItem in the console_comds.cpp because it is derived from a similar function (GetFiosItem) in the same file
21:47:16  <Yexo> ok, in that case it's probably fine (or both should be moved, but that'd be outside of the scope of this patch)
21:50:04  <Der_Herr> if the file exists but is not valid, an error message is shown from somewhere else
21:50:12  <Der_Herr> probably the real heightmap loading
21:50:44  <Der_Herr> i tested it with an empty bitmap file
21:51:25  <Yexo> ok, good :)
21:51:47  <Yexo> it's getting too late now and I haven't tested it yet
21:51:58  <Yexo> will look at it again later
21:52:07  <Yexo> good night all
21:52:12  <Der_Herr> thats fine thank you
21:52:13  <Der_Herr> gn8
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22:58:16  <Kylie> hey
22:58:17  <Kylie> sup
22:58:17  <Kylie> ?
22:58:18  <Kylie> :)
22:58:27  <Kylie> wow fast typer i am lol
22:58:54  <planetmaker> yes, congratulations
22:59:04  <Kylie> but seriously
22:59:07  <Kylie> sup all
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23:21:13  <Kylie> so um
23:22:05  <Wolf01> 'night
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23:23:41  <Kylie> so um. this wood factoiry has 2500 tonnes of wood waiting. the two trains only take ouyt 740 tonnes of wood to transport to goods.
23:23:44  <Kylie> what to do?
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23:25:05  <Kylie> i would require 5 more trains
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