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00:06:12 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@cpc4-pres13-2-0-cust231.pres.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:13:48 *** dada_ [~dada_@dhcp-077-250-097-191.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 00:14:46 <dada_> hello. does anyone know how I can enable the standard electric trains (from temperate) in the sub-arctic and sub-tropical climates? (if it helps, I'm planning on running a dedicated server) 00:26:18 *** Jake|afk [~chatzilla@host81-156-48-130.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:26:23 *** Jake [~chatzilla@host81-156-48-130.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:26:25 *** Jake is now known as Jake|afk 00:32:42 <V453000> dada_: OpenGFX+ trains can do that 00:32:46 <V453000> through parameter settings 00:46:01 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-074-022.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 01:00:30 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.85.141] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:09:46 *** Osai [~Osai@schere.no-ip.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:09:46 *** planetmaker [~planetmak@schere.no-ip.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:09:46 *** SmatZ [~smatz@schere.no-ip.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:09:46 *** Yexo [~Yexo@schere.no-ip.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:09:46 *** tneo 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(2012-09-26 09:12:32)] 09:29:19 *** telanus [~telanus@196-215-153-66.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has left #openttd [] 09:30:15 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@78.96.213.97] has joined #openttd 09:36:24 *** planet is now known as planetmaker 09:36:36 <planetmaker> @op 09:37:31 <planetmaker> @op 09:37:34 *** mode/#openttd [+o planetmaker] by DorpsGek 09:37:42 <planetmaker> @kban TaylorBaby 09:37:42 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: Error: TaylorBaby is not in #openttd. 09:40:06 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.142.5] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:43:55 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@78.96.213.97] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 09:48:05 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 10:28:32 *** argoneus [~argoneus@ip-78-102-118-47.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 10:54:48 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d172-218-21-135.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: for the love of god this is not safe for work] 10:56:05 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@schere.no-ip.org] has joined #openttd 10:56:10 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.142.5] has joined #openttd 10:56:36 *** SmatZ [~smatz@schere.no-ip.org] has joined #openttd 10:56:36 *** ^Spike^ [~Spike@schere.no-ip.org] has joined #openttd 10:57:06 *** Yexo [~Yexo@schere.no-ip.org] has joined #openttd 10:57:37 *** pm [~planetmak@bnc.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 10:57:37 *** mode/#openttd [+o pm] by ChanServ 10:58:07 *** tneo [~tneo@bnc.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 10:59:06 *** Osai [~Osai@bnc.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 10:59:06 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@bnc.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 10:59:09 *** mode/#openttd [+o Terkhen] by ChanServ 10:59:36 *** V453000 [~V453000@bnc.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 10:59:41 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@bnc.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 11:00:06 *** avdg [~avdg@bnc.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 11:01:00 *** planetmaker [86a91c2a@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 11:02:13 *** pm is now known as planetmaker 11:03:11 *** GBerten2936 is now known as lugo 11:34:45 *** Jake [~chatzilla@host81-156-48-130.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:34:48 *** Jake|afk [~chatzilla@host81-156-48-130.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:34:50 *** Jake|afk is now known as Jake 11:42:50 <NGC3982> :3 11:56:51 *** Jake is now known as Jake|afk 12:03:52 *** keoz [~keikoz@159.90.76.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 12:07:58 *** keoz [~keikoz@159.90.76.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [] 12:16:35 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.142.5] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:20:17 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:ecbd:fd7e:a918:6f8] has joined #openttd 12:20:20 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:38:36 *** keoz [~keikoz@159.90.76.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 12:59:48 <Terkhen> hello 13:02:33 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 13:06:35 * andythenorth ponders trucks 13:07:20 <lugo> hi andythenorth 13:07:25 <andythenorth> bonsoir 13:10:10 <Terkhen> andythenorth: trucks are nice and fun 13:10:31 <Terkhen> or are you pondering somethong more complicated? 13:10:41 <andythenorth> 'less' complicated ideally 13:10:41 <Terkhen> something* 13:11:35 <Terkhen> in which way? :P 13:11:56 <andythenorth> trying to design BANDIT 13:12:06 <andythenorth> without too many trucks 13:12:11 <andythenorth> got some ideas 13:14:00 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d173-183-158-32.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 13:17:19 <planetmaker> less complicated sounds good. And hi andythenorth 13:17:25 <andythenorth> hi hi 13:17:36 <andythenorth> some things are obvious 13:17:41 <andythenorth> there *must* be tank trucks 13:18:16 <andythenorth> there *must* be a basic flatbed truck (which can refit to a wide range of cargos) 13:19:04 <andythenorth> I think box trucks are needed (primarily for express cargos - food, and such) 13:19:47 <andythenorth> I want to add a few specific types like cement trucks (building materials) 13:20:00 <Terkhen> box/bulk/tank should cover all if not most cargos 13:20:30 <Terkhen> you will get more if you consider refrigerated versions 13:20:30 *** KnogleAFK [knogle@1604ds5-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:21:13 *** Knogle [knogle@1604ds5-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 13:22:36 <lugo> don't know about cement trucks; glass works produces building materials :/ 13:24:42 <lugo> novice players will argue it's un-r-word that it would be possible to send them there i think 13:25:24 <lugo> i'd like to have them in game though :D 13:27:15 <andythenorth> players schmayers 13:28:00 <andythenorth> Terkhen: I think box trucks have sufficient refrigeration :P 13:28:07 <dada__> I wonder if a good way to spread out trucks without using timetables would be to force them to remain a certain distance from one another 13:28:12 <andythenorth> I'll probably change my mind on that though 13:30:01 <Terkhen> :) 13:30:22 <andythenorth> would have been so much easier if players could build different trailers for trucks :P 13:35:20 <Terkhen> that would be the best solution, yes 13:37:20 <andythenorth> maybe I should stop working on RV sets for now 13:37:31 <andythenorth> they're not satisfactory :P 13:40:37 <__ln__> "In 1996 ITU issued recommendation H.323 entitled "Visual Telephone Systems and Equipment for Local Area Networks Which Provide a Non-Guaranteed Quality of Service." Only the telephone industry would think of such a name." -- what a great tanenbaumian remark by Tanenbaum 13:41:26 <dada__> I'm trying to run a dedicated server on freebsd, the bin is /usr/local/bin/openttd, the config is specified via command line as /home/msikma/OpenTTD/openttd.cfg, anyone know where it will look for newgrfs? I've specified two newgrfs to be loaded but it claims it can't find them (they're in /home/msikma/OpenTTD/content_download/newgrf) 13:42:28 <planetmaker> try ~/.openttd/newgrf 13:42:45 <planetmaker> don't put manually stuff into any folder called *content_download* 13:42:48 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: you should see some german law names :p 13:43:04 <dada__> cool I'll try that. (any way I can specify a different dir via command line?) 13:43:11 <planetmaker> no 13:43:25 <dada__> this dir will do though I'll just move my scripts there 13:43:30 <dada__> did not know about t 13:43:38 <planetmaker> readme anyone? :-) 13:43:45 <planetmaker> Line 188ff 13:43:46 <dada__> you are correct, sorry :( 13:44:09 <planetmaker> (sorry, I really know the line number by heart meanwhile) 13:45:44 <planetmaker> if you plan to run several servers it's a good idea to make a separate dir for each binary. put the corresponding cfg next to it. And symlink the ~/.openttd/XXX folders to the respecitive folders relative to the binary 13:48:43 <planetmaker> running servers usually also works nicer, if you do not install OpenTTD, but just keep the binary in a (local) folder. It's easier to update and allows you to run different binaries in parallel 13:49:12 <andythenorth> really, how hard could rv-wagons be? 13:50:23 <andythenorth> or I could make a railtype for road vehicles 13:50:29 <dada__> planetmaker: ah, that's not a bad idea indeed 13:51:41 <andythenorth> planetmaker: Terkhen want to help me do RVs as a railtype? 13:51:47 <andythenorth> it will solve most of the issues with RVs 13:52:58 <planetmaker> shouldn't we rather invent road types and user-defined composition of RVs? 13:53:04 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: seriously? why don't you just make a train grf. why must they look like RVs? 13:53:23 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: good point :o 13:54:32 <andythenorth> I guess it's only graphics 13:54:58 * andythenorth wonders what the point of RVs is at all? 13:55:20 <andythenorth> other than realism 13:58:51 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: they can move in city centers, and they have really short distance between vehicles 13:59:29 <andythenorth> but a train will carry more, and make a bigger, quivker return on investment 13:59:43 <andythenorth> maybe we just need underground stations 13:59:52 <andythenorth> for cities 14:00:12 <peter1138> code it 14:00:48 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d0864af.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 14:00:54 <andythenorth> got enough spare bits? 14:01:58 <peter1138> yes, mine are not currently in use 14:02:56 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: i have a game where trams can easily handle the passenger load, while trains are horribly and utterly congested 14:03:23 <dada__> hm, newgrfs are in the ~/.openttd/newgrf/ dir but they still can't be found/loaded. maybe I did not make the savegame with those newgrfs loaded. 14:03:42 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: multi-level train-stations needed? 14:03:52 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: sure, one single train can load more than one tram, but with limited space there's only so much you can optimise with distance between two trains following each other 14:05:15 <planetmaker> dada__, you need the exact same version of the newgrfs (matching md5sum) 14:05:53 <planetmaker> dada__, try to start the server with ./openttd -D -d grf=1 -g savegame.sav 14:06:43 <dada__> they should be the precise same, I lifted them out of my local openttd dir where I downloaded them via ingame content browser. 14:07:52 <dada__> http://pastie.org/private/lliizzmdyve5mvhbrdkqq 14:08:50 <planetmaker> ERROR: Game Load Failed?NewGRF mismatch 14:08:50 <planetmaker> ERROR: Missing GRF file(s) have been disabled 14:09:13 <dada__> I think I managed to get it to work now after moving the dirs to the data dir 14:09:16 <dada__> out of the newgrf dir 14:09:26 <planetmaker> data dir... what openttd version do you run? 14:09:31 <dada__> 1.1.3 14:09:35 <planetmaker> o_O 14:09:36 *** Jake|afk is now known as Jake 14:09:48 <planetmaker> dada__, you'll not enjoy running that version as server... 14:09:53 <dada__> (because that's the one in the freebsd ports) 14:09:54 <dada__> hm! 14:10:05 <planetmaker> and yes, that version uses data instead of newgrf (still) 14:10:08 <dada__> aha 14:10:13 <dada__> I should have mentioned that sooner, haha 14:10:22 <Terkhen> andythenorth: I still find the idea of RV wagons interesting, but it is too big for my currently small coding times/inclination 14:10:25 <planetmaker> people will not have that version any longer. And they need that very exact version to join 14:10:26 <dada__> well, time to see to getting a newer version 14:10:42 <planetmaker> you're then better advised to compile your openttd yourself, I think 14:10:43 <dada__> yeah, I'm actually only making this server for a couple of friends, but it would be better for them if I got the latest version too 14:11:03 <Terkhen> therefore, I prefer to code simpler stuff :P 14:11:11 <planetmaker> I know of no place where there's pre-compiled openttd for freebsd 14:11:33 <planetmaker> other than their package manger (which obviously has an outdated one) 14:12:14 <dada__> package managers tend to be like that, oh well 14:12:19 <planetmaker> yes 14:12:39 <planetmaker> you'll need to get an svn checkout to compile a server yourself 14:13:01 <planetmaker> (yes, svn. tar ball doesn't suffice) 14:13:12 <planetmaker> nor our git or hg mirrors 14:13:54 <dada__> somehow my config file ended up being reduced to standard settings :P 14:14:01 <planetmaker> and make sure to not use gcc 4.5... it's somewhat buggy 14:14:11 <dada__> thanks for the information, I'll give it a spin in a minute 14:15:12 <planetmaker> dada__, if you load a savegame, the config file nearly doesn't matter (except the network section) 14:16:06 <planetmaker> and unless you have a setup with several IP addresses, it often needs no config either. You'll only need to configure ports, if you want to run non-standard ports or several servers at once 14:16:11 <andythenorth> maybe the problem is autorefit 14:18:24 <dada__> that's actually useful, that way I can set up the options in the savegame 14:18:43 <Terkhen> andythenorth: I was fearing that you would mention that 14:19:59 <dada__> I hope 40 is not too high a station spread :D 14:20:19 <planetmaker> don't worry about that... it just depends on how you like to play 14:20:34 <planetmaker> I often use the max (64) 14:21:53 <dada__> it still says "high values slow the game", but I've loaded coop games set to 64 that seemed to work OK 14:22:14 <planetmaker> well, both is true :-) 14:22:27 <dada__> I guess for recent PCs it's not such a big issue anymore 14:23:01 <planetmaker> it slows down path finding as spread^2 tiles need to be searched for acceptable destination tiles 14:23:55 <dada__> so that's 4096 tiles for spread=64 14:24:00 <dada__> 144 for 12 14:24:03 <planetmaker> yes 14:24:07 <dada__> tha'ts a big difference 14:24:58 <planetmaker> but - from my POV - it's more important to make sure you don't have a too big total map size. As that quickly leads to games becoming unplayable without feeling finished 14:25:13 <planetmaker> thus we allow on our coop servers only maps which are smaller than ~ 500.000 tiles 14:25:46 <planetmaker> they allow still enough playing fun for a week or so before everything is built to players satisfaction 14:26:17 <dada__> hmm let's see, I'm running a 256x1024 map, so that ought to be fine 14:26:29 <dada__> we probably won't build as fast as the coop servers 14:27:03 <planetmaker> it always depends on the amount of players :-) 14:27:23 <dada__> probably no more than 6 or so 14:27:47 <planetmaker> that's already a quite decent amount, if they're online concurrently 14:31:02 <planetmaker> compare that with the current status of the (public) servers: http://www.openttd.org/en/servers 14:31:47 <dada__> haha ah yeah I see 14:33:00 <planetmaker> one person playing 1.1.3 ;-) 14:41:36 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 14:50:03 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@78.96.213.97] has joined #openttd 14:57:32 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@bas1-ottawa08-1242499104.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 14:57:34 <drac_boy> hi 14:57:37 <Markk> oi 14:58:37 <drac_boy> so mm just wondering about it if anyone have any thoughts to add... 14:59:17 <drac_boy> 4-coupled standard verus 2+2 coupled mallet in term of tractive? 14:59:46 <drac_boy> I'm thinking obviously the latter would have more (unless it was underweighted) due to re having four pistons ... but not sure if there could be more 15:00:19 <Eddi|zuHause> drac_boy: usually the mallet has less, because the power distribution over both sections is not optimal 15:01:45 <drac_boy> hmm thanks 15:02:43 <Eddi|zuHause> it may have more power (due to more effectively using the heat) but less tractive effort 15:03:16 <drac_boy> looking at it now I guess another reason they could want to get a mallet is if curves were restrictive to anything with a longer wheelbase and yt they wanted to replace their old tank locomotives 15:04:21 <drac_boy> although I'm surprised that one the 760mm railroad in germany had like a 2-10-0T or so in their rooster. must had needed generious curves 15:04:25 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:04:46 <drac_boy> either way thanks Eddi|zuHause and yeah you're right about more power 15:05:00 <Eddi|zuHause> drac_boy: 760mm is in austria/jugoslavia 15:05:18 <drac_boy> that was one of the reason for PRR's good but shortlived modern steam locomotives which were 3+2 coupled rather than 5 coupled 15:05:21 <Eddi|zuHause> germany has 750mm and 1000mm mostly 15:05:28 <drac_boy> oh guess I was thinking of 750 then 15:06:03 <Eddi|zuHause> drac_boy: also, narrow gauge engines often have very small wheels, so 5-coupled is not that much of a problem 15:06:36 <drac_boy> hmm yeah this tank locomotive in question's looked quite small 15:07:28 <Eddi|zuHause> also, 5-coupled is rather late in the development of steam engines 15:07:52 <andythenorth> this baby likes crisps and black coffe 15:07:55 <andythenorth> he is 9mo 15:08:04 <drac_boy> here it is http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3327/5821620603_14d5d5da99_z.jpg and its actually a 2-10-2T but still point stands .. its long 15:08:44 <drac_boy> Eddi|zuHause well during the wartime german had some heavy express steam locomotives that were 5-coupled. usa had a few but most of them were for flatlands or close due to curvation problems naturally 15:08:57 <drac_boy> don't ask me how UP managed to run 6-coupled's when they did at the time :p 15:09:11 <Terkhen> andythenorth: giving coffee to a baby sounds like a bad idea 15:09:18 <drac_boy> Terkhen heh I so agree 15:09:21 <andythenorth> it is 15:11:07 <__ln__> NGC3982: https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/542190_445065758870755_769651507_n.jpg 15:11:29 <Eddi|zuHause> drac_boy: the above picture is 1000mm though 15:12:43 <drac_boy> heh lri 15:12:52 *** keoz [~keikoz@159.90.76.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: keoz] 15:13:40 <drac_boy> mm 15:14:21 <drac_boy> Eddi|zuHause either way heres something for you if you'll http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/tr_up9029.jpg and notice how its pretty much on the flatland where its chassis length isn't much issue after all 15:14:29 <drac_boy> crazy thing tho heh 15:15:58 <Pinkbeast> The 9Fs and WD 2-10-0s could go most places here... 15:16:11 <andythenorth> http://www.steamlocomotive.com/4-12-2/ 15:16:32 <drac_boy> pinkbeast did you count the drive axles on that picture? 15:16:59 <Eddi|zuHause> drac_boy: btw. the previous engine with legs instead of wheels: http://www.mz-web.de/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=ksta/page&atype=Page&aid=1012569559775&openMenu=1012569559775 :) 15:17:33 <Eddi|zuHause> err, wrong link 15:18:01 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.bahnbilder.de/bild/Deutschland~Schmalspurbahnen~Harzer+Schmalspurbahnen/611609/versuche-fehlgeschlagen-die-versuche-bei-hsb-lok.html 15:18:22 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@94.13.8.182] has joined #openttd 15:18:40 <drac_boy> heh nice picture 15:23:35 <andythenorth> 2-14-4 http://www.aqpl43.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/LOCOLOCO/russ/russrefr.htm 15:24:41 <drac_boy> andythenorth aka the thing that split the yard switches .. and never ever really ran? :) 15:27:09 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 15:36:58 *** bolli [~Sam@87.114.241.24] has joined #openttd 15:42:40 *** Hyronymus1 [~Thunderbi@s53757898.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 15:44:47 *** Hyronymus [~Thunderbi@s53757898.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:48:29 <drac_boy> anyway going for lunch so 15:48:32 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@bas1-ottawa08-1242499104.dsl.bell.ca] has left #openttd [I'm done being in this room!] 15:48:40 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat-ulcn.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:50:03 <NGC3982> __ln__: :D 15:56:05 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:03:44 <andythenorth> livestock trucks? 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:p 16:24:49 <NGC3982> What'zat. 16:25:42 <Elukka> yeah 16:25:44 <Elukka> kerbal space program 16:26:23 <Elukka> it's actually almost easier to do powered landings from the cockpit, as long as you make sure the terrain is good beforehand 16:26:30 <Elukka> you panic less when you can't see outside :P 16:27:25 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 16:28:11 <Elukka> KSP is a fairly realistic space game 16:28:11 <NGC3982> Hehe, true. 16:28:43 <Elukka> it's not simulator-detailed but all the basics of rocketry and orbital mechanics are there and the way you, say, fly to the moon in KSP is indeed how you fly to the moon in real life 16:29:02 <NGC3982> Same amount of timespans, etc? 16:30:15 <Elukka> well, the planets are smaller but that's not particularly unrealistic :P 16:30:52 <NGC3982> ;) 16:30:56 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:31:01 <Elukka> no, what i mean is you don't point your spacecraft at the moon and burn 16:31:04 <andythenorth> space shuttle interiors http://www.launchphotography.com/Endeavour_Flight_Deck.html 16:31:56 <Elukka> you do a translunar injection burn at the right time (essentially getting you to an elliptical orbit around the planet that gets you close to the moon) and then a braking burn at closest approach to the moon to avoid being ejected into a solar orbit 16:32:56 <Elukka> http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_l5jy0nYmjD1qzyhb5o1_1280.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAI6WLSGT7Y3ET7ADQ&Expires=1348763562&Signature=YidXh9jD1%2B7ZIsTdb4u0w%2Bhm2oo%3D 16:33:00 <Elukka> soyuz is a bit simpler, andy :P 16:33:34 <andythenorth> for any given cargo, at any given time, only two truck choices are needed? 16:33:37 <andythenorth> large / small? 16:35:58 <andythenorth> this coffee was best before May 2006 16:37:25 <planetmaker> andythenorth, absolutely. More choice is not needed 16:38:02 <planetmaker> I hope your coffee didn't become intelligent since 2006 :-P 16:38:05 <andythenorth> small = can use drive in stops 16:38:24 <andythenorth> large = articulated, n trailers (according to some limit, blah) 16:38:40 <planetmaker> kinda, yes 16:38:54 <planetmaker> it's about also what egrvts uses, afaik 16:39:07 <planetmaker> but I don't recall the amount of vehicles there for each cargo 16:39:15 <planetmaker> it feels more, but... dunno 16:45:29 <andythenorth> it feels too much 16:45:55 <andythenorth> yet if you have a train set like NARS 2 there are many more vehicles in the buy menu 16:47:37 <andythenorth> actually not :0 16:47:54 <andythenorth> egrvts buy menu > nars 2 menu 16:47:54 <andythenorth> :o 16:48:55 <andythenorth> if I had vehicle expiry on it might be different 16:50:50 *** Netsplit reticulum.oftc.net <-> charon.oftc.net quits: KnogleAFK, Born_Acorn, Pulec, +glx, Arendtsen 16:51:05 *** Netsplit over, joins: KnogleAFK, +glx, 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20:34:23 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-149-25-1.range86-149.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 20:40:55 <dada__> hmmm 20:41:16 <dada__> trying to compile openttd. liblzma requires that I give the configure script the path to liblzma.a, right? 20:41:36 <dada__> only it doesn't seem to want to eat the liblzma.a I'm pointing it to 20:42:27 <frosch123> can you install pkg-config ? 20:43:33 <dada__> pkg-config is available (on freebsd, but new to the system) 20:44:31 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-149-25-1.range86-149.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:46:17 *** Vadtec_ [~Vadtec@2001:470:1f06:13e0::1337] has joined #openttd 20:46:59 *** jonty-co1p [~jonty@borealis.jontysewell.net] has joined #openttd 20:47:08 *** Vadtec [~Vadtec@2001:470:1f06:13e0::1337] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:47:09 *** Vadtec_ is now known as Vadtec 20:47:21 <Alberth> I'd expect a .so file 20:47:28 <frosch123> anyway, i never understood why the configure help stuff talks about "=libsomething.a" 20:47:31 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-149-25-1.range86-149.btcentralplus.com] has left #openttd [] 20:47:40 <frosch123> it uses the parameter as command 20:47:44 <frosch123> so, it must be some script 20:47:56 *** jonty-comp is now known as Guest8311 20:47:56 *** jonty-co1p is now known as jonty-comp 20:47:57 <frosch123> which can handle the same parameters as pkg-config 20:48:02 <dada__> doesn't seem to want to accept my /usr/lib/liblzma.so either 20:48:24 *** Guest8311 [~jonty@borealis.jontysewell.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:48:25 <frosch123> --with-lzma needs a script as parameter 20:48:34 <Alberth> just /usr/lib ? 20:48:34 <frosch123> which returns stuff according to its parameters 20:48:35 <dada__> ah 20:49:50 <frosch123> it should accept "--cflags", "--libs" and "--modversion" 20:52:12 <dada__> would you happen to know how it tries to detect liblzma? since it's installed, it seems weird I have to specify the dir at all 20:52:48 <frosch123> it runs the command passed via "--with-lzma" :p 20:52:56 <frosch123> or "pkg-config liblzma" 20:53:05 <dada__> aha 20:53:11 <dada__> pkg-config liblzma returns nothing apparently 20:53:22 <frosch123> pkg-config liblzma --modversion 20:53:25 <frosch123> pkg-config liblzma --libs 20:53:29 <frosch123> those should return stuff 20:53:47 <dada__> aha, it couldn't find anything 20:53:51 <dada__> it wants liblzma.pc 20:54:23 <Alberth> dada__: configure is just a script, you can read it in a text editor 20:54:25 <dada__> it seems I do have one. although not as a result of my compiling and installing liblzma. but I have one in a src subdir of an older openttd version (1.1.3) 20:55:34 <dada__> strangely enough, my $PKG_CONFIG_PATH seems empty 20:57:54 <Alberth> my pkg-config(1) speaks of a default path that is always searched 20:58:24 <Alberth> so perhaps your env var is only for adding/overriding, in which case being empty seems a sane value 20:59:22 <frosch123> dada__: http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/1742/ 20:59:30 <dada__> seems configure is able to find my liblzma now :) 20:59:32 <frosch123> use that script, fill in the needed information 20:59:40 <frosch123> and pass that via --with-lzma 20:59:51 <frosch123> you can do the same with other libs 21:00:14 <dada__> frosch123: thanks! going to try seeing if what I have now works, otherwise I'll try this. 21:05:55 <dada__> ah, bsd makes and gnu makes are incompatible 21:05:58 <dada__> so use gmake 21:06:10 <dada__> seems it's compiling happily now 21:06:17 <Kjetil> use cmake :P 21:06:56 <dada__> too late ;) 21:08:32 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A335.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:10:17 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:13:58 * Jake needs to research First Nations languages as part of the backstory for his OpenTTD scenario. 21:14:13 <Jake> It's official. I have too much free time. 21:14:51 <frosch123> antique railroad? :p 21:14:59 <Terkhen> send your spare time to me :P 21:15:01 <Terkhen> good night 21:15:34 <Jake> Nope. A throwaway gag about a name given to a local terrain feature. 21:16:44 <MNIM> do tell. 21:17:19 <frosch123> wait for the scenario :p 21:19:08 *** Beardie [~chatzilla@cpc8-pres13-2-0-cust118.pres.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 21:19:21 *** Beardie [~chatzilla@cpc8-pres13-2-0-cust118.pres.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 21:20:05 <Jake> It's okay, it's not really a spoiler. The first Western settlers tried to find out the local name for a mountain by pointing at it and then looking expectant at a local. They duly recorded his reply phonetically, and it remained on the maps for two hundred years before anyone bothered to notice it meant, "It's a mountain, you idiot." 21:21:59 <Jake> Yes, it's a lame gag. But it made me smile. 21:24:41 <Jake> Actually, scrub that. I've got a better idea. 21:25:02 <frosch123> "it's a forest, you idiot"? 21:26:41 <Jake> That'd work too, I think it'd work better if the guide actually told them translations of the lyrics to a very rude song instead of the actual native names of the various terrain features. 21:29:04 <frosch123> night 21:29:07 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d008245.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:32:25 *** Wold [~Wold@93-152-170-93.ddns.onlinedirect.bg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:33:03 <Wolf01> 'night all 21:33:08 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host11-216-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:33:43 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@78.96.213.97] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 21:41:47 <NGC3982> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-u27WnFpVU&feature=related 21:41:53 <NGC3982> Of you can understand this.. 21:46:56 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@cpc4-pres13-2-0-cust231.pres.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 21:51:06 <Zuu> did you see the Danish bus comersial? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75F3CSZcCFs 22:01:15 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:05:17 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 22:11:05 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:15:58 *** Wakou [~stephen@host31-51-63-30.range31-51.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:46:06 *** Lord_Aro [~LordAro@host81-148-243-145.range81-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:50:00 *** Lord_Aro [~LordAro@host81-148-243-145.range81-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 22:51:46 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-155-172-43.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:58:29 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-24-28-238.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:01:38 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 23:08:21 *** argoneus [~argoneus@ip-78-102-118-47.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:11:36 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-18-165.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 23:17:10 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-108-234.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:17:56 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.]