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00:10:12 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:12:43 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:28:40 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-24-72-169.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:29:18 *** Afdal [~chatzilla@host-174-45-181-198.chy-wy.client.bresnan.net] has joined #openttd 00:29:35 <Afdal> Hey any developers around 00:45:49 <krinn> ask your question you'll see 00:46:13 <Afdal> ooookay 00:46:23 <Afdal> Can anyone explain this behavior? http://gyazo.com/1fcf363846b6f78933cd217f99513029 00:48:01 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:57:10 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 01:05:16 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.58.9.229.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:07:03 *** Jake|afk [~chatzilla@host31-51-108-249.range31-51.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:13:29 *** Knogle [knogle@1604ds5-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:14:30 *** Knogle [knogle@1604ds5-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 01:32:22 *** Afdal [~chatzilla@host-174-45-181-198.chy-wy.client.bresnan.net] has left #openttd [] 01:35:03 *** quiggle [4607cef9@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 01:36:06 <quiggle> Hello...is everyone already aware that the downloads on the website are not working? 01:36:50 <peter1138> which? 01:36:59 <quiggle> all of them as far as i can tell 01:37:10 <peter1138> cos it works for me 01:37:25 <quiggle> i get a custom 404 page 01:39:22 <quiggle> example, link says it's going to http://binaries.openttd.org/releases/1.2.2/openttd-1.2.2-windows-win64.exe ... i click it, it redirects to https://secure.openttd.org/binaries/binaries/releases/1.2.2/openttd-1.2.2-windows-win64.exe , and this gives a page that says: 01:39:23 <quiggle> Error response Error code 404. Message: File Not Found. Error code explanation: 404 = Nothing matches the given URI. 01:41:49 <peter1138> http://ftp.snt.utwente.nl/pub/games/openttd/binaries/releases/1.2.2/openttd-1.2.2-windows-win64.exe is the redirect i get 01:42:18 <quiggle> hm, interesting 01:42:36 <quiggle> problem with CDN? 01:43:39 <peter1138> i guess so, but the people in control of that are not awake at this time 01:44:05 <quiggle> it was this way last night too 01:44:18 <quiggle> er, i mean, roughly 18 hours ago 01:45:24 <quiggle> well...as long as someone who can deal with it gets notified i guess 01:49:59 *** pjpe [b8af1d68@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 01:50:14 *** pjpe [b8af1d68@ircip1.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 01:56:52 *** Aryan [Aryan@cpc18-mapp11-2-0-cust457.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 01:58:09 <Aryan> hello 02:05:43 *** quiggle [4607cef9@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 02:52:45 *** masch_ [~quassel@big.masch.it] has joined #openttd 02:53:29 *** masch [~quassel@big.masch.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:46:43 *** Kjetil_ [kjetil@161.81-166-7.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 03:48:08 *** Kjetil [kjetil@161.81-166-7.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:53:29 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 04:01:44 *** keoz [~keikoz@1.4.69.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: keoz] 04:19:00 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:827:9b3a:753d:ebe5] has quit [Quit: bye] 05:10:30 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ipd50adc22.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:35:46 *** MoreBacon [SomeBacon@pool-98-118-93-146.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 05:35:54 <MoreBacon> crash? 05:35:56 <MoreBacon> or just me? 05:38:45 <Rubidium> I see no reason why quiggle's download redirects to https. As far as I am aware we do not have https binaries 05:40:33 <Rubidium> thus that smells like something which his browser does, and after going to https://binaries it will redirect to secure/binaries which I doubt has a connection to the balancer, or is that connected to the balancer? 05:40:48 *** SomeBacon [SomeBacon@pool-98-118-93-146.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:41:47 <Rubidium> even then... both the https and non-https work for me (tm) 05:42:21 *** telanus [~telanus@105-236-172-139.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #openttd 05:55:22 <Rubidium> might there be issues redirecting to the US mirrors? 05:55:28 <Rubidium> I'll leave it for TrueBrain ;) 05:56:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC66D2A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 05:56:18 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD5ED9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:07:50 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 06:11:00 *** JOJ [4dfd1317@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 06:11:05 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0097ae.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 06:11:20 *** JOJ is now known as Joseph_Fritz 06:11:35 <Joseph_Fritz> Anybody wants to see my basement? 06:13:53 <Joseph_Fritz> It is time to wake up, jackasses. 06:14:02 <Joseph_Fritz> 'Nam won't burn itself. 06:16:49 *** Joseph_Fritz [4dfd1317@ircip2.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 06:25:38 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0097ae.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:35:14 *** Kjetil [kjetil@161.81-166-7.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 06:35:56 *** Kjetil_ [kjetil@161.81-166-7.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:47:43 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 07:05:57 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: for sure I don't serve https redirects, so I am totally puzzled too 07:07:10 <TrueBrain> I am rather surprised the https version works too btw :D 07:26:54 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 07:32:56 <michi_cc> TrueBrain: I've just checked and the HTTPS Anywhere extension has a ruleset for OpenTTD. I guess binaries worked by accident before. 07:38:19 *** LSky` [~x@5ED5A444.cm-7-6c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 07:38:32 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 07:48:42 *** LSky` [~x@5ED5A444.cm-7-6c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [] 07:49:07 *** Jake|afk [~chatzilla@host31-51-108-249.range31-51.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 07:55:56 <Markk> NGC3982: Oi mate, I lost that when I was 14. 08:00:39 <Terkhen> good morning 08:01:16 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat2.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has joined #openttd 08:04:52 <Markk> Goedemorgen. 08:05:21 <NGC3982> Markk: I usually save those jokes for Ghlargh, and i see it was for a reason ;_;. 08:05:34 <Markk> :) 08:12:37 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:13:26 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 08:17:24 *** MoreBacon [SomeBacon@pool-98-118-93-146.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:19:44 <NGC3982> I see that there has been some hassle with the site this night. 08:20:07 * NGC3982 thinks it has something to do with the content error he noticed yester evening. 08:20:29 <__ln__> http://arxiv.org/abs/1210.1847 08:21:43 <NGC3982> __ln__: Sweet jesus 08:21:50 <NGC3982> 10^11GeV.. 08:21:50 <NGC3982> :D 08:24:35 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:26:07 <peter1138> 16 joules? 08:26:36 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6DE98.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:26:47 <NGC3982> (+.2) 08:26:48 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6DE98.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 08:27:02 <peter1138> .02 08:27:21 <NGC3982> Oh? 08:28:17 <peter1138> or 0.003 kcal 08:28:24 <peter1138> so what is this figure? 08:31:04 <NGC3982> It's a fantastic number, when actually exploring the pixelation of the lattice spacing. 08:31:08 <NGC3982> http://www.scribd.com/doc/111295000/Simulated-Universe 08:31:12 <NGC3982> Here is the full paper 08:31:51 <peter1138> sorry i'm not that bright 08:32:09 <NGC3982> Im not actually aware of the simulation results, or purpose. 08:33:05 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat2.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:34:03 <NGC3982> It's just that the energy density in the universe is fantastic 08:34:23 <NGC3982> And the energy of empty space completely obliterates everything else 08:34:45 <NGC3982> It's seriosly fucking up science (to quote Lawrence Krauss) 08:37:45 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat-ulcn.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has joined #openttd 08:50:17 *** benny [~ben@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 08:55:44 <benny> Who is in charge of finger.openttd.org? 08:55:58 <Markk> My thumb. 08:56:31 <benny> Silly goose. 08:56:36 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:00:52 <blathijs> benny: Better to just ask the real question you have :-) 09:01:23 <blathijs> benny: And TrueBrain is our main server admin, FWIW 09:06:40 * NGC3982 prepares a no-brainer pun 09:11:25 <benny> blathijs: I'm writing a simple bash script that installs OpenTTD for a school project. The user is prompted for which version of openttd to install, and i'd like some sort of way to verify that this version actually exists. 09:12:10 <benny> I was thinking an always-updated list of every openttd version available on the binaries server (nightlies too), but there might be a simpler way to do it. 09:12:30 <blathijs> benny: Can't you just find out if a version exists by trying to download it? 09:14:31 <benny> I'm such a goddamn genious 09:14:37 <benny> /facepalm 09:28:03 <benny> Yup, checking HTTP response codes with curl works. 09:28:14 <benny> Thanks, can't believe I didn't think of that. 09:30:32 <Yexo> good morning 09:35:55 <Ammler> benny: you might also use finger.openttd.org to get latest stable/nightly/whatever 09:37:40 <benny> The three first lines in versions.txt? 09:39:18 <benny> Ammler: Oh I see, versions.txt has everything. 09:52:24 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat-ulcn.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:01:11 *** lugo [bc6f57fe@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 10:13:37 <Terkhen> hi Yexo 10:14:23 <Terkhen> benny did you check OpenTTD auto updater? 10:14:26 <krinn> morning all 10:14:47 <Terkhen> IIRC it has a thread on the general subforum 10:14:52 <Terkhen> hi krinn 10:15:45 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d108-180-123-63.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:19:49 <benny> Terkhen: Windows-only and GUI-based afaik 10:20:01 <benny> Terkhen: And I'm writing this as a school assignment 10:20:12 *** benny is now known as benny|recess 10:21:06 <planetmaker> benny|recess, you know auto update or autostart? 10:23:14 <planetmaker> ah, Terkhen mentioned it already :-) 10:23:35 <Terkhen> ok :) 10:23:40 <planetmaker> but there's autoupdate which is a bash script :-) 10:23:57 * NGC3982 sends his horde of women after PM 10:24:14 <krinn> When doing GSCompanyMode i feel like i get the company event too, ending with getting GSEvent+ each event the company i have switch too, wrong ? 10:24:36 <NGC3982> TrueBrain: Im getting the same error today as yesterday. 10:24:52 <NGC3982> http://i.imgur.com/Gu3SR.png 10:25:08 <NGC3982> On a new computer, on another network 10:25:50 <NGC3982> Oh, sorry. The second time i tried, it worked as usual again. 10:25:51 <NGC3982> :E 10:25:57 <krinn> NGC3982, lol got it too 10:27:51 <planetmaker> http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Autostart <-- I mean this, benny|recess ... but the source link is broken 10:30:29 <planetmaker> hm, Ammler, where have you hidden the source for autostart? 10:30:59 <planetmaker> I fail to find it anywhere, neither the old svn nor in a hg repo 10:33:01 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat2.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has joined #openttd 10:48:11 <benny|recess> planetmaker: there is? 10:48:16 *** benny|recess is now known as benny 10:48:51 <benny> planetmaker: Oh, I didn't see the link. 10:53:08 <krinn> benny try that one http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=49672 10:54:51 *** Devroush [~dennis@d5152695A.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:59:04 <benny> krinn: Thanks, some good help in there. 11:01:49 <Ammler> https://hgweb.openttdcoop.org/autostart <-- very outdated, though 11:05:28 <benny> Ammler: Talk about putting me to shame.. 11:06:24 <Ammler> https://hg.openttdcoop.org/autostart would be better 11:06:59 <Ammler> the script was done as I had no clue about bash :-P 11:07:54 <benny> No clue about bash, this? 11:08:52 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 11:09:01 <Ammler> this is plain ugly 11:09:25 <benny> I'll just go cry in a corner. 11:09:27 <Ammler> but I still use it :-) 11:09:45 <benny> This is no clue about bash: https://github.com/bennythen00b/openttd-install/blob/master/openttd_install.sh 11:10:45 <Ammler> then I had the idea so make a kind of bashlib: https://hg.openttdcoop.org/ottdbash 11:11:22 *** Jake|afk [~chatzilla@host31-51-108-249.range31-51.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:11:45 *** Jake|afk [~chatzilla@host31-51-108-249.range31-51.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:12:54 <Ammler> devzone should be able to host git repos too, btw... 11:17:24 <benny> do i register at dev.openttdcoop.org? 11:17:43 <planetmaker> only you can tell, whether you do ;-) 11:18:00 <benny> ahem 11:18:03 <planetmaker> but of course you're very welcome to do so 11:18:34 <benny> do i have to register at dev.openttdcoop.org in order to login to hg.openttdcoop.org? 11:18:44 <benny> i just might 11:18:50 <planetmaker> download is feasible without account 11:19:52 <planetmaker> I mean... why would we want to force people to register, if they just want to retrieve a file? 11:19:58 <benny> what no 11:20:09 <benny> i could put the repo for my bash script on there 11:20:15 <benny> im trying to figure this git stuff out 11:22:59 <planetmaker> yes. Then you need to register. As upload of course requires an account 11:23:21 <planetmaker> otherwise anyone could update an arbitrary project. That of course is not wanted 11:23:58 <planetmaker> By default we host git repos. But in principle git, svn and bazaar are also feasible 11:24:13 <benny> okay, so i take it dev.openttdcoop.org and hg.openttdcoop.org are related 11:24:21 <planetmaker> he.... by default we host mercurial repos ;-) 11:24:28 <planetmaker> yes, they are 11:24:51 *** benny [~ben@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:25:40 <planetmaker> dev.o.o is the redmine project management interface while hg.o.o is mercurial's native ... 11:26:01 *** ben [~ben@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 11:26:05 *** ben is now known as benny 11:26:10 <planetmaker> dev.o.o is the redmine project management interface while hg.o.o is mercurial's native ... 11:26:26 <benny> you lost me 11:26:28 <planetmaker> ... web view 11:27:16 <planetmaker> well, generally things on openttdcoop.org are related ;-) 11:27:27 <planetmaker> dev.o.o is the project management interface 11:27:45 <planetmaker> hg.o.o is just a web interface for accessing repos. Not needed really as also accessible via dev.o.o 11:27:52 <benny> i see 11:28:00 <planetmaker> and then there's rhodecode.o.o... another repo management interface 11:28:21 <planetmaker> but that's still kinda in evaluation phase 11:28:48 <planetmaker> and there's for things which build binaries als a bundles.openttdcoop.org which hosts the releases of the projects 11:29:09 <benny> im curious 11:29:12 <benny> the domain names 11:29:17 <benny> what do they refer to? 11:29:27 <benny> physical or virtual servers? 11:29:30 <benny> services? 11:29:40 <planetmaker> depends :-) 11:29:49 <planetmaker> but it's all on the same physical server 11:30:02 <planetmaker> but split in different VMs as suitable 11:30:22 <benny> so dev.o.o and hg.o.o are different VMs? 11:31:35 <planetmaker> I think not... but doesn't matter, does it? 11:31:57 <benny> just curious 11:32:24 <planetmaker> we're in the process to restructure it... so things change. Hopefully in a way that no-one notices that the backend changes ;-) 11:32:31 <benny> currently go to IT in school but the education is hilarious 11:33:12 *** benny [~ben@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:33:45 *** ben [~ben@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 11:33:50 <ben> screen, dont do that 11:33:55 *** ben is now known as benny 11:36:06 *** benny [~ben@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has quit [] 11:45:17 <peter1138> annoying bugs of screen... 11:46:59 <peter1138> school IT education: "this is a keyboard... and THIS is a mouse" 11:49:23 <Eddi|zuHause> i must have had bad education, because i don't remember this being taught at our school 11:56:19 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:59:35 <NGC3982> That is computer education 11:59:44 <NGC3982> And should not be confused with IT education. 11:59:55 <Eddi|zuHause> but we did have some introduction into a weird editor that came with DOS 4, which was already ancient at that time 12:00:00 <NGC3982> Ew. 12:01:32 <peter1138> same thing as far as schools are concerned 12:01:37 <peter1138> or were, back in my day 12:01:58 <peter1138> btw, i use school in the english meaning, i.e. up to 16 years old 12:03:15 <peter1138> we had the most awesome colour printers back then 12:03:24 <peter1138> could only print 1 dot at a time 12:03:35 <peter1138> so had to feed the page very very slowly 12:03:37 <Eddi|zuHause> i was at a scientific-focused school, we had IT from 7th grade onwards 12:03:57 <peter1138> how old is 7th grade? 12:04:20 <Eddi|zuHause> you usually turn 14 in 8th grade 12:04:45 <peter1138> i had "computer studies" after 14, but it was one of the optional ones 12:05:05 <peter1138> and we faffed about on bbc micros half the time 12:05:13 <Eddi|zuHause> so 16 would be 10th grade 12:05:17 <NGC3982> BBC Micro's? 12:05:25 <Eddi|zuHause> my school went up to 12th grade 12:05:47 <Eddi|zuHause> in some other regions in germany up to 13th grade 12:05:58 <peter1138> 16-18 at school is called 6th form here 12:06:00 <Eddi|zuHause> and then you're eligible for university 12:06:30 <Eddi|zuHause> if you don't want to go to university, you can quit after 10th grade, or 9th grade if you're really dumb 12:07:32 <Eddi|zuHause> but you have to decide whether you use the 9, 10 or 12/13 year school after 4th grade, so rather early. which is politically somewhat disputed 12:07:45 <peter1138> here you can quit at 16 and go into the college system 12:07:54 <peter1138> which can lead to uni again 12:13:03 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 12:21:28 <planetmaker> oh well... we did do some basic programming in turbo pascal and in prolog... weired stuff 13:01:11 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:01:17 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 13:03:15 *** magdom [bd473a3a@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 13:03:30 <magdom> oi 13:12:31 *** keoz [~keikoz@1.4.69.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 13:12:31 *** Knogle [knogle@1604ds5-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:12:53 *** Knogle [knogle@1604ds5-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 13:32:00 *** magdom [bd473a3a@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 13:33:42 <Eddi|zuHause> prolog is fun :) 13:34:35 <Eddi|zuHause> although we did prolog only in university... 13:36:00 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... tt-ms.de seems to be down 13:41:41 <Sacro> likesprolog( Eddi|zuHause ). 13:41:51 *** lugo [bc6f57fe@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 13:44:52 <Eddi|zuHause> that is probably wrong syntax :p 13:51:38 <Sacro> nope 13:52:19 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm fairly sure | had special meaning in prolog :) 13:55:18 <NGC3982> Man. 13:55:32 <NGC3982> Building a fully working 2048 map with ECS is -hard-. 13:56:07 <Eddi|zuHause> last time i tried ECS, it was unplayable on a 2048 map 14:10:37 <Ammler> is it intendend to skip Zuu from 1.2 readme? 14:11:38 <V453000> last time I played ecs it was unplayable on any map :p 14:12:19 <Ammler> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/1848/ 14:12:44 <Ammler> hg diff -r1.2 readme.txt ^ 14:14:55 <Ammler> -rdefault* 14:15:34 <Ammler> For ECS, you need to fiddle with the paramters :-) 14:15:52 <V453000> I did. 14:16:19 <V453000> even the "best" parameters wont disable weird growth mechanism and winter/summer production for farms 14:16:32 <V453000> having 0 in winter and like 8000 for primary industry is just dumb 14:29:08 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host217-43-26-41.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:29:21 <LordAro> evening all 14:32:45 <Eddi|zuHause> V453000: with "unplayable" i meant the game speed 14:33:01 <V453000> I know :) 14:34:04 <Eddi|zuHause> the game speed i had on my 386 DX25 with a full map was about the same as an ECS game with an empty map :) 14:35:12 <Yexo> <Ammler> is it intendend to skip Zuu from 1.2 readme? <- he becamse dev after 1.2 was released, so what's the problem? 14:43:24 <Ammler> nothing, was just wondering :-) 14:46:04 <Ammler> Yexo: it's not like you don't edit the readme in 1.2 anymore 15:00:44 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@62-241-226-131.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 15:21:04 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat2.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:21:39 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 15:42:30 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.58.9.229.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 15:43:36 *** argoneus [~argoneus@ip-78-102-118-47.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 15:44:45 *** Markavian [~Markavian@78-105-168-146.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:49:40 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:50:05 *** Markavian` [~Markavian@78-105-168-146.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:54:47 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 15:56:03 *** Aryan [Aryan@cpc18-mapp11-2-0-cust457.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:56:25 *** Aryan [Aryan@cpc18-mapp11-2-0-cust457.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:02:52 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d0091f6.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:04:38 *** SomeBacon [~bacon@pool-98-118-93-146.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 16:21:34 <andythenorth> lo 16:32:15 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:32:17 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 16:47:49 *** Hyronymus [~Thunderbi@5ED1CCB7.cm-7-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:05:59 <Zuu> krinn: If the current development-version of scp is free of known showstoppers, I could release a NoCarGoal with optional scp later tonight. By making scp toggable via a setting, its not the end of the world if more scp bugs turn up. NoCarGoal users can then disable scp if it causes them trouble. 17:06:38 <Zuu> But that could help getting a scp server out that AIs can start to do some work with. 17:07:25 <planetmaker> scp ? 17:07:40 <planetmaker> it's another scp than I usually think of, I guess 17:11:12 *** roland [~roland@194-166-220-26.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 17:11:45 *** roland is now known as Guest3761 17:15:31 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-007-198.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 17:15:53 *** roidal [~roland@178-190-102-224.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:17:29 <Zuu> planetmaker: Script Communication Protocol 17:17:44 <Zuu> http://wiki.openttd.org/Script_communication_protocol 17:17:59 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d0091f6.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:18:32 <Zuu> It's way less secure than the usual scp :-p 17:19:08 <Zuu> Humans that know the protocol can eavesdrop the communication by keeping his sign list open. 17:38:17 <planetmaker> :-) 17:38:29 <planetmaker> thx 17:38:32 *** telanus [~telanus@105-236-172-139.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has left #openttd [] 17:40:57 *** Djohaal_ [~Djohaal@177.16.120.83] has joined #openttd 17:47:25 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.58.9.229.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:54:55 <krinn> yes zuu 17:55:05 <krinn> (i'm back) 17:58:39 *** Jake|afk [~chatzilla@host31-51-108-249.range31-51.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:59:06 *** Jake|afk [~chatzilla@host31-51-108-249.range31-51.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:59:28 <jonty-comp> 502 on downloads :( 18:00:04 <jonty-comp> presumably on the mirror selector 18:04:52 * andythenorth wonders how many ottd downloads we're getting at the moment 18:05:01 <andythenorth> more or less than usual 18:05:03 <andythenorth> ? 18:05:50 <jonty-comp> none probably, since it's broken 18:06:11 <jonty-comp> (for me and 1 person who joined #tycoon, anyway) 18:06:14 <andythenorth> less than usual probably 18:06:54 <andythenorth> 502 for me too 18:11:31 <Terkhen> TrueBrain: check jonty-comp's lines above this one 18:11:38 *** Devroush [~dennis@d5152695A.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:13:59 <planetmaker> there's openttd support in #tycoon? 18:14:28 <andythenorth> I thought it was just spam there? 18:16:18 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:16:22 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 18:16:46 <Alberth> hi hi 18:16:54 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: it maybe naive people who try to get it :p 18:17:53 <krinn> bananas is down ? 18:18:13 <Eddi|zuHause> some ape ate all of them. 18:18:36 <krinn> 504 Gateway Time-out 18:18:45 <krinn> monkeys do it well 18:19:04 <Eddi|zuHause> oh, it increased. it was 502 in the report above :p 18:19:19 <krinn> oh sorry, didn't saw the few lines upper 18:19:31 <krinn> nothing new so :) 18:19:43 <Eddi|zuHause> it's all TrueBrain's fault 18:19:50 <krinn> ah yes, got 504 but on upload 18:20:04 <krinn> isn't it always TrueBrain's fault ? 18:20:12 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. 18:20:16 <Eddi|zuHause> or no. 18:20:21 <Eddi|zuHause> depends on your logic :p 18:20:27 <krinn> :P 18:20:40 <krinn> french's logic 18:20:45 <krinn> it mean weird one 18:36:55 *** Guilux [~Guilux@chenapan.net] has quit [Quit: [RESET]] 18:37:18 *** AnotherOther [6bc92959@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 18:37:34 <AnotherOther> Anyone here not actually idle? 18:38:08 * Alberth is 18:38:19 * planetmaker is and will continue. Later folks :-) 18:38:27 <AnotherOther> Great, do you know anything about the OpenTTD downloads? 18:38:32 <AnotherOther> Its down 18:38:45 <krinn> we knows 18:38:50 <Alberth> that is also my only information :) 18:38:57 <AnotherOther> Joy 18:39:17 <AnotherOther> Well, hopefully it'll come back up 18:39:23 <krinn> must be a proof of how popular it is 18:39:31 <Alberth> somewhen it will be 18:39:33 <AnotherOther> Seems like a server being down would be connected to some sort of alarm 18:40:14 * NGC3982 suggest a topic change. 18:40:23 <AnotherOther> Suit yourself 18:40:33 <krinn> like if anyone read topic... 18:40:38 <NGC3982> krinn: True. 18:40:43 * NGC3982 didn't. 18:41:00 <andythenorth> hmm 18:41:04 * Alberth did notice it was the same as the last time :) 18:41:08 <andythenorth> who wants to get pingdom alerts? :P 18:41:11 <krinn> specially too crowd topic like this one 18:41:22 <andythenorth> users are probably about as effective as pingdom 18:42:13 <NGC3982> andythenorth: That sounds interesting. 18:42:40 <andythenorth> I doubt TrueBrain wants to get sms when openttd goes down :P 18:43:03 <NGC3982> I would, i guess. 18:43:06 <NGC3982> Or, i could, i guess. 18:43:15 <Alberth> especially as the server is elsewhere located :) 18:43:46 <NGC3982> Let's configure an auto-dialer 18:43:58 <andythenorth> NGC3982: you had ssh access to openttd servers? :o 18:44:02 <andythenorth> had / have /s 18:44:23 <NGC3982> No 18:44:27 <NGC3982> Im just being silly. :/ 18:45:00 <NGC3982> I was actually refering to being able to make spree of issues. 18:45:04 <NGC3982> But never mind. 18:45:12 <Alberth> andythenorth: not much use when it's down :p 18:45:26 <andythenorth> usually the box is up, services are down in my experience :P 18:45:39 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r24651 /trunk/src/lang (5 files) (2012-10-30 18:45:28 UTC) 18:45:40 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:41 <DorpsGek> dutch - 6 changes by habell 18:45:42 <DorpsGek> english_US - 6 changes by Rubidium 18:45:43 <DorpsGek> finnish - 6 changes by jpx_ 18:45:44 <DorpsGek> norwegian_bokmal - 3 changes by jhsoby 18:45:45 <DorpsGek> russian - 5 changes by Lone_Wolf 18:46:09 <Alberth> commit still works :) 18:47:20 *** Guilux [~Guilux@chenapan.net] has joined #openttd 18:48:44 <krinn> banans website report my file, seem to upload didn't fail finally 18:54:05 <SomeBacon> if i expand the towns my mines belong to will they be more productive? 18:54:46 <andythenorth> no 18:54:50 <Alberth> not that I know :) 18:56:10 <SomeBacon> is there a way to make them more productive? 18:56:14 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.185.243] has joined #openttd 18:56:23 <Alberth> serve them well 18:57:22 <Alberth> http://wiki.openttd.org/Game_mechanics#Industry_production is how it works 18:57:52 *** oskari892 [~oskari89@62-241-226-131.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:58:03 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:59:17 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:10 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 19:00:48 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@62-241-226-131.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:01:42 <SomeBacon> thanks 19:02:34 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6DE98.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:02:44 <LordAro> has a certain person been informed that http://binaries.openttd.org/ is 502 bad gateway-ing ? 19:03:12 <Eddi|zuHause> certain persons get better notified if you actually highlight them... 19:04:01 <LordAro> i was checking first ;) 19:04:08 <LordAro> Truebrain: ^ 19:04:16 <LordAro> happy? :P 19:04:47 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, you can try reading logs, if that's not too much to ask 19:06:15 <DorpsGek> Commit by yexo :: r24652 extra/musa/text.py (2012-10-30 19:06:09 UTC) 19:06:16 <DorpsGek> [MUSA] -Fix: don't crash when both description_text and description_file are missing from the config file 19:07:06 <DorpsGek> Commit by yexo :: r24653 extra/musa/musa.py (2012-10-30 19:07:01 UTC) 19:07:07 <DorpsGek> [MUSA] -Feature: hide password when entered interactively 19:15:52 *** MoreBacon [SomeBacon@pool-98-118-93-146.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 19:18:14 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4d08ff8b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:20:07 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-64-63.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 19:21:13 *** SomeBacon [~bacon@pool-98-118-93-146.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:35:54 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19CB8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:41:26 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 19:48:15 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host115-94-dynamic.180-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:48:20 <Wolf01> hello o/+ 19:48:59 <Wolf01> uh, what's that attached on my arm? 19:49:08 <Yexo> your hand? 19:49:39 <Alberth> a sword to fight the deamons? 19:49:52 <Wolf01> no, at first it looked like a spider, but now there isn't anymore, see o/ 19:50:10 <Alberth> phew, it's gone! 19:50:18 <Alberth> welcome 19:50:23 <Wolf01> :) 19:52:25 <TrueBrain> Python segfault! \o/ 19:52:29 <TrueBrain> libmysqlclient 19:52:30 <TrueBrain> awesome 19:54:25 <TrueBrain> most likely cause: trying to use MySQL in a threaded env 19:54:27 <TrueBrain> jolly good 19:58:19 <Eddi|zuHause> threads are probably evil if you use a connection created in another thread 19:58:31 <Eddi|zuHause> at least sqlite complained when i tried that 19:58:32 <TrueBrain> no, they happen in the global space 19:58:42 <TrueBrain> the issue seems to be that if 2 threads happen to execute something at the same time 19:58:45 <TrueBrain> highly unlikely ... 19:58:51 <TrueBrain> but from what I understand, they dont lock .. so .. yeah ... 19:58:56 <TrueBrain> well, solution was easy 19:59:00 <TrueBrain> make a new connection every time someone asks 19:59:08 <TrueBrain> PHP does ... so why shouldn't my balancer ;) 19:59:22 <jonty-comp> excellent methodology :P 19:59:54 <TrueBrain> well ... a running service is more valuable than a resource friendly one 20:00:06 <TrueBrain> as, in the limit, the most resource friendly service is one that isn't running 20:00:44 <andythenorth> TrueBrain: if you rm the spec, you can always pass it 20:01:23 <TrueBrain> why doesn't mysql_ping reconnect the socket 20:01:25 <TrueBrain> that is just weird 20:01:26 <TrueBrain> and bad 20:08:52 <TrueBrain> for the balancer it seems I have to write a MySQL thread, which only handles queries 20:08:56 <TrueBrain> and send stuff to it .... 20:08:57 <TrueBrain> nasty 20:09:06 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... after all these years i still read it as "OTT DAU" instead of "OTTD AU" :p 20:10:03 <Eddi|zuHause> (with "DAU" being the "Dumbest Assumable User") 20:10:38 <peter1138> um 20:10:46 <peter1138> http://thewaltdisneycompany.com/disney-news/press-releases/2012/10/disney-acquire-lucasfilm-ltd 20:12:50 <andythenorth> I am so bored of shareholder value 20:13:06 <andythenorth> and that is speaking as a shareholder :P 20:13:24 <andythenorth> was Walt Disney's mission to increase long term shareholder value? 20:13:28 <andythenorth> or was it to make epic shit? 20:13:51 <Rubidium> andythenorth: epic shit 20:13:58 <NGC3982> I thought the current state was to survive. 20:14:09 <Rubidium> it's what basically all companies do 20:14:16 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-64-63.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:14:23 <Rubidium> e.g. the banks a few years ago; we're still in their epic shit 20:17:25 *** EyeMWing [~Wing@c-68-33-226-154.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:20:44 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-85-246.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:25:44 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 20:27:25 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 20:29:26 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d108-180-123-63.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 20:29:44 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:39:03 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host-78-151-197-85.as13285.net] has joined #openttd 20:44:45 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:54b2:2e86:b5bc:955f] has joined #openttd 20:44:48 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 20:49:23 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-94-211.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 20:53:44 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host-78-151-197-85.as13285.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 20:55:09 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host-78-151-197-85.as13285.net] has joined #openttd 21:03:09 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 21:09:49 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host-78-151-197-85.as13285.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:16:02 *** joan [~joan@188.119.197.163.dynamic.eurona.net] has joined #openttd 21:24:12 *** Jake|afk [~chatzilla@host31-51-108-249.range31-51.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:24:17 *** Jake|afk_ [~chatzilla@host31-51-108-249.range31-51.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:24:22 *** Jake|afk_ is now known as Jake|afk 21:24:56 <Wolf01> 'night 21:24:58 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host115-94-dynamic.180-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:29:44 <MoreBacon> does using 2 engines instead of 1 improve train speed/acceleration? 21:31:11 <Supercheese> It definitely will improve acceleration 21:31:28 <Supercheese> it will only improve top speed if the 1-engine train couldn't reach top speed 21:31:38 <Supercheese> due to it being not powerful enough 21:32:47 *** Hyronymus [~Thunderbi@5ED1CCB7.cm-7-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Hyronymus] 21:32:50 <MoreBacon> will a slower one only help accelerate to its top speed? 21:34:36 *** Hyronymus [~Thunderbi@5ED1CCB7.cm-7-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 21:42:53 <Supercheese> Generally a multi-engine train is only as fast as its slowest engine 21:43:24 <Supercheese> in order to have special "banking engines" or whatnot, the .grf author has to implement some code wizardry 21:51:43 *** AnotherOther [6bc92959@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 21:58:18 *** Jake|afk [~chatzilla@host31-51-108-249.range31-51.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:58:23 *** Jake|afk_ [~chatzilla@host31-51-108-249.range31-51.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:58:28 *** Jake|afk_ is now known as Jake|afk 22:00:38 *** Hyronymus [~Thunderbi@5ED1CCB7.cm-7-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:01:08 *** Hyronymus [~Thunderbi@5ED1CCB7.cm-7-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 22:02:07 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d108-180-123-63.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: for the love of god this is not safe for work] 22:04:30 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d108-180-123-63.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 22:04:59 *** joan [~joan@188.119.197.163.dynamic.eurona.net] has quit [Quit: Saliendo] 22:07:23 *** oskari892 [~oskari89@62-241-226-131.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 22:26:04 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:28:34 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host-78-151-197-85.as13285.net] has joined #openttd 22:30:13 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 22:34:13 *** Jake|afk [~chatzilla@host31-51-108-249.range31-51.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:37:16 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:39:25 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host-78-151-197-85.as13285.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:40:35 <Terkhen> good night 22:46:20 <krinn> how bananas handle version conflict ? i mean upload version 12, then changing something in version 12 and re-uploading version 12 : openttd see update and redownload newest version even version didn't change 22:46:24 <krinn> night Terkhen 22:47:05 <Eddi|zuHause> krinn: the content download only checks MD5, not the version 22:47:57 <Eddi|zuHause> krinn: version is only checked in the newgrf picker window, then all lower versions are not shown (by default), but all files with the same version are shown 22:48:30 *** argoneus [~argoneus@ip-78-102-118-47.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:51:55 <krinn> Eddi|zuHause, so version replace should work for small fixes ? 22:52:21 <Eddi|zuHause> krinn: it will horribly confuse people... 22:52:54 <Eddi|zuHause> krinn: better increase the version for anything you publish 22:53:33 <krinn> except it's dirty as its a lib 22:53:43 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-85-246.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:53:46 <krinn> version increase don't give bugfixes, until header are changed 23:02:25 *** Hyronymu1 [~Thunderbi@5ED1CCB7.cm-7-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 23:02:26 *** Hyronymu1 [~Thunderbi@5ED1CCB7.cm-7-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [] 23:05:03 *** Hyronymus [~Thunderbi@5ED1CCB7.cm-7-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Hyronymus] 23:05:03 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-87-77.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 23:05:06 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 23:06:27 <planetmaker> krinn, don't use the same version if it differs. Even by one bit 23:06:32 <planetmaker> versions come for free 23:07:39 <planetmaker> and if you release a new one with the same version, a random (or both) will be shown - and how would I know which is newer? 23:07:57 <planetmaker> if you update the version string as displayed, you really need to update the other version, too 23:09:58 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-108-38.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:10:10 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:32:07 <krinn> ok planetmaker won't do, version++ on each release 23:41:00 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit []