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Log for #openttd on 30th October 2012:
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00:29:35  <Afdal> Hey any developers around
00:45:49  <krinn> ask your question you'll see
00:46:13  <Afdal> ooookay
00:46:23  <Afdal> Can anyone explain this behavior?  http://gyazo.com/1fcf363846b6f78933cd217f99513029
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01:36:06  <quiggle> Hello...is everyone already aware that the downloads on the website are not working?
01:36:50  <peter1138> which?
01:36:59  <quiggle> all of them as far as i can tell
01:37:10  <peter1138> cos it works for me
01:37:25  <quiggle> i get a custom 404 page
01:39:22  <quiggle> example, link says it's going to http://binaries.openttd.org/releases/1.2.2/openttd-1.2.2-windows-win64.exe ... i click it, it redirects to https://secure.openttd.org/binaries/binaries/releases/1.2.2/openttd-1.2.2-windows-win64.exe , and this gives a page that says:
01:39:23  <quiggle>  Error response  Error code 404.  Message: File Not Found.  Error code explanation: 404 = Nothing matches the given URI.
01:41:49  <peter1138> http://ftp.snt.utwente.nl/pub/games/openttd/binaries/releases/1.2.2/openttd-1.2.2-windows-win64.exe is the redirect i get
01:42:18  <quiggle> hm, interesting
01:42:36  <quiggle> problem with CDN?
01:43:39  <peter1138> i guess so, but the people in control of that are not awake at this time
01:44:05  <quiggle> it was this way last night too
01:44:18  <quiggle> er, i mean, roughly 18 hours ago
01:45:24  <quiggle> well...as long as someone who can deal with it gets notified i guess
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01:58:09  <Aryan> hello
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05:35:54  <MoreBacon> crash?
05:35:56  <MoreBacon> or just me?
05:38:45  <Rubidium> I see no reason why quiggle's download redirects to https. As far as I am aware we do not have https binaries
05:40:33  <Rubidium> thus that smells like something which his browser does, and after going to https://binaries it will redirect to secure/binaries which I doubt has a connection to the balancer, or is that connected to the balancer?
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05:41:47  <Rubidium> even then... both the https and non-https work for me (tm)
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05:55:22  <Rubidium> might there be issues redirecting to the US mirrors?
05:55:28  <Rubidium> I'll leave it for TrueBrain ;)
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06:11:35  <Joseph_Fritz> Anybody wants to see my basement?
06:13:53  <Joseph_Fritz> It is time to wake up, jackasses.
06:14:02  <Joseph_Fritz> 'Nam won't burn itself.
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07:05:57  <TrueBrain> Rubidium: for sure I don't serve https redirects, so I am totally puzzled too
07:07:10  <TrueBrain> I am rather surprised the https version works too btw :D
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07:32:56  <michi_cc> TrueBrain: I've just checked and the HTTPS Anywhere extension has a ruleset for OpenTTD. I guess binaries worked by accident before.
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07:55:56  <Markk> NGC3982: Oi mate, I lost that when I was 14.
08:00:39  <Terkhen> good morning
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08:04:52  <Markk> Goedemorgen.
08:05:21  <NGC3982> Markk: I usually save those jokes for Ghlargh, and i see it was for a reason ;_;.
08:05:34  <Markk> :)
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08:19:44  <NGC3982> I see that there has been some hassle with the site this night.
08:20:07  * NGC3982 thinks it has something to do with the content error he noticed yester evening.
08:20:29  <__ln__> http://arxiv.org/abs/1210.1847
08:21:43  <NGC3982> __ln__: Sweet jesus
08:21:50  <NGC3982> 10^11GeV..
08:21:50  <NGC3982> :D
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08:26:07  <peter1138> 16 joules?
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08:26:47  <NGC3982> (+.2)
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08:27:02  <peter1138> .02
08:27:21  <NGC3982> Oh?
08:28:17  <peter1138> or 0.003 kcal
08:28:24  <peter1138> so what is this figure?
08:31:04  <NGC3982> It's a fantastic number, when actually exploring the pixelation of the lattice spacing.
08:31:08  <NGC3982> http://www.scribd.com/doc/111295000/Simulated-Universe
08:31:12  <NGC3982> Here is the full paper
08:31:51  <peter1138> sorry i'm not that bright
08:32:09  <NGC3982> Im not actually aware of the simulation results, or purpose.
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08:34:03  <NGC3982> It's just that the energy density in the universe is fantastic
08:34:23  <NGC3982> And the energy of empty space completely obliterates everything else
08:34:45  <NGC3982> It's seriosly fucking up science (to quote Lawrence Krauss)
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08:55:44  <benny> Who is in charge of finger.openttd.org?
08:55:58  <Markk> My thumb.
08:56:31  <benny> Silly goose.
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09:00:52  <blathijs> benny: Better to just ask the real question you have :-)
09:01:23  <blathijs> benny: And TrueBrain is our main server admin, FWIW
09:06:40  * NGC3982 prepares a no-brainer pun
09:11:25  <benny> blathijs: I'm writing a simple bash script that installs OpenTTD for a school project. The user is prompted for which version of openttd to install, and i'd like some sort of way to verify that this version actually exists.
09:12:10  <benny> I was thinking an always-updated list of every openttd version available on the binaries server (nightlies too), but there might be a simpler way to do it.
09:12:30  <blathijs> benny: Can't you just find out if a version exists by trying to download it?
09:14:31  <benny> I'm such a goddamn genious
09:14:37  <benny>  /facepalm
09:28:03  <benny> Yup, checking HTTP response codes with curl works.
09:28:14  <benny> Thanks, can't believe I didn't think of that.
09:30:32  <Yexo> good morning
09:35:55  <Ammler> benny: you might also use finger.openttd.org to get latest stable/nightly/whatever
09:37:40  <benny> The three first lines in versions.txt?
09:39:18  <benny> Ammler: Oh I see, versions.txt has everything.
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10:13:37  <Terkhen> hi Yexo
10:14:23  <Terkhen> benny did you check OpenTTD auto updater?
10:14:26  <krinn> morning all
10:14:47  <Terkhen> IIRC it has a thread on the general subforum
10:14:52  <Terkhen> hi krinn
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10:19:49  <benny> Terkhen: Windows-only and GUI-based afaik
10:20:01  <benny> Terkhen: And I'm writing this as a school assignment
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10:21:06  <planetmaker> benny|recess, you know auto update or autostart?
10:23:14  <planetmaker> ah, Terkhen mentioned it already :-)
10:23:35  <Terkhen> ok :)
10:23:40  <planetmaker> but there's autoupdate which is a bash script :-)
10:23:57  * NGC3982 sends his horde of women after PM
10:24:14  <krinn> When doing GSCompanyMode i feel like i get the company event too, ending with getting GSEvent+ each event the company i have switch too, wrong ?
10:24:36  <NGC3982> TrueBrain: Im getting the same error today as yesterday.
10:24:52  <NGC3982> http://i.imgur.com/Gu3SR.png
10:25:08  <NGC3982> On a new computer, on another network
10:25:50  <NGC3982> Oh, sorry. The second time i tried, it worked as usual again.
10:25:51  <NGC3982> :E
10:25:57  <krinn> NGC3982, lol got it too
10:27:51  <planetmaker> http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Autostart <-- I mean this, benny|recess ... but the source link is broken
10:30:29  <planetmaker> hm, Ammler, where have you hidden the source for autostart?
10:30:59  <planetmaker> I fail to find it anywhere, neither the old svn nor in a hg repo
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10:48:11  <benny|recess> planetmaker: there is?
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10:48:51  <benny> planetmaker: Oh, I didn't see the link.
10:53:08  <krinn> benny try that one http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=49672
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10:59:04  <benny> krinn: Thanks, some good help in there.
11:01:49  <Ammler> https://hgweb.openttdcoop.org/autostart <-- very outdated, though
11:05:28  <benny> Ammler: Talk about putting me to shame..
11:06:24  <Ammler> https://hg.openttdcoop.org/autostart would be better
11:06:59  <Ammler> the script was done as I had no clue about bash :-P
11:07:54  <benny> No clue about bash, this?
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11:09:01  <Ammler> this is plain ugly
11:09:25  <benny> I'll just go cry in a corner.
11:09:27  <Ammler> but I still use it :-)
11:09:45  <benny> This is no clue about bash: https://github.com/bennythen00b/openttd-install/blob/master/openttd_install.sh
11:10:45  <Ammler> then I had the idea so make a kind of bashlib: https://hg.openttdcoop.org/ottdbash
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11:12:54  <Ammler> devzone should be able to host git repos too, btw...
11:17:24  <benny> do i register at dev.openttdcoop.org?
11:17:43  <planetmaker> only you can tell, whether you do ;-)
11:18:00  <benny> ahem
11:18:03  <planetmaker> but of course you're very welcome to do so
11:18:34  <benny> do i have to register at dev.openttdcoop.org in order to login to hg.openttdcoop.org?
11:18:44  <benny> i just might
11:18:50  <planetmaker> download is feasible without account
11:19:52  <planetmaker> I mean... why would we want to force people to register, if they just want to retrieve a file?
11:19:58  <benny> what no
11:20:09  <benny> i could put the repo for my bash script on there
11:20:15  <benny> im trying to figure this git stuff out
11:22:59  <planetmaker> yes. Then you need to register. As upload of course requires an account
11:23:21  <planetmaker> otherwise anyone could update an arbitrary project. That of course is not wanted
11:23:58  <planetmaker> By default we host git repos. But in principle git, svn and bazaar are also feasible
11:24:13  <benny> okay, so i take it dev.openttdcoop.org and hg.openttdcoop.org are related
11:24:21  <planetmaker> he.... by default we host mercurial repos ;-)
11:24:28  <planetmaker> yes, they are
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11:25:40  <planetmaker> dev.o.o is the redmine project management interface while hg.o.o is mercurial's native ...
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11:26:10  <planetmaker> dev.o.o is the redmine project management interface while hg.o.o is mercurial's native ...
11:26:26  <benny> you lost me
11:26:28  <planetmaker> ... web view
11:27:16  <planetmaker> well, generally things on openttdcoop.org are related ;-)
11:27:27  <planetmaker> dev.o.o is the project management interface
11:27:45  <planetmaker> hg.o.o is just a web interface for accessing repos. Not needed really as also accessible via dev.o.o
11:27:52  <benny> i see
11:28:00  <planetmaker> and then there's rhodecode.o.o... another repo management interface
11:28:21  <planetmaker> but that's still kinda in evaluation phase
11:28:48  <planetmaker> and there's for things which build binaries als a bundles.openttdcoop.org which hosts the releases of the projects
11:29:09  <benny> im curious
11:29:12  <benny> the domain names
11:29:17  <benny> what do they refer to?
11:29:27  <benny> physical or virtual servers?
11:29:30  <benny> services?
11:29:40  <planetmaker> depends :-)
11:29:49  <planetmaker> but it's all on the same physical server
11:30:02  <planetmaker> but split in different VMs as suitable
11:30:22  <benny> so dev.o.o and hg.o.o are different VMs?
11:31:35  <planetmaker> I think not... but doesn't matter, does it?
11:31:57  <benny> just curious
11:32:24  <planetmaker> we're in the process to restructure it... so things change. Hopefully in a way that no-one notices that the backend changes ;-)
11:32:31  <benny> currently go to IT in school but the education is hilarious
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11:33:50  <ben> screen, dont do that
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11:45:17  <peter1138> annoying bugs of screen...
11:46:59  <peter1138> school IT education: "this is a keyboard... and THIS is a mouse"
11:49:23  <Eddi|zuHause> i must have had bad education, because i don't remember this being taught at our school
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11:59:35  <NGC3982> That is computer education
11:59:44  <NGC3982> And should not be confused with IT education.
11:59:55  <Eddi|zuHause> but we did have some introduction into a weird editor that came with DOS 4, which was already ancient at that time
12:00:00  <NGC3982> Ew.
12:01:32  <peter1138> same thing as far as schools are concerned
12:01:37  <peter1138> or were, back in my day
12:01:58  <peter1138> btw, i use school in the english meaning, i.e. up to 16 years old
12:03:15  <peter1138> we had the most awesome colour printers back then
12:03:24  <peter1138> could only print 1 dot at a time
12:03:35  <peter1138> so had to feed the page very very slowly
12:03:37  <Eddi|zuHause> i was at a scientific-focused school, we had IT from 7th grade onwards
12:03:57  <peter1138> how old is 7th grade?
12:04:20  <Eddi|zuHause> you usually turn 14 in 8th grade
12:04:45  <peter1138> i had "computer studies" after 14, but it was one of the optional ones
12:05:05  <peter1138> and we faffed about on bbc micros half the time
12:05:13  <Eddi|zuHause> so 16 would be 10th grade
12:05:17  <NGC3982> BBC Micro's?
12:05:25  <Eddi|zuHause> my school went up to 12th grade
12:05:47  <Eddi|zuHause> in some other regions in germany up to 13th grade
12:05:58  <peter1138> 16-18 at school is called 6th form here
12:06:00  <Eddi|zuHause> and then you're eligible for university
12:06:30  <Eddi|zuHause> if you don't want to go to university, you can quit after 10th grade, or 9th grade if you're really dumb
12:07:32  <Eddi|zuHause> but you have to decide whether you use the 9, 10 or 12/13 year school after 4th grade, so rather early. which is politically somewhat disputed
12:07:45  <peter1138> here you can quit at 16 and go into the college system
12:07:54  <peter1138> which can lead to uni again
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12:21:28  <planetmaker> oh well... we did do some basic programming in turbo pascal and in prolog... weired stuff
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13:03:30  <magdom> oi
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13:33:42  <Eddi|zuHause> prolog is fun :)
13:34:35  <Eddi|zuHause> although we did prolog only in university...
13:36:00  <Eddi|zuHause> hm... tt-ms.de seems to be down
13:41:41  <Sacro> likesprolog( Eddi|zuHause ).
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13:44:52  <Eddi|zuHause> that is probably wrong syntax :p
13:51:38  <Sacro> nope
13:52:19  <Eddi|zuHause> i'm fairly sure | had special meaning in prolog :)
13:55:18  <NGC3982> Man.
13:55:32  <NGC3982> Building a fully working 2048 map with ECS is -hard-.
13:56:07  <Eddi|zuHause> last time i tried ECS, it was unplayable on a 2048 map
14:10:37  <Ammler> is it intendend to skip Zuu from 1.2 readme?
14:11:38  <V453000> last time I played ecs it was unplayable on any map :p
14:12:19  <Ammler> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/1848/
14:12:44  <Ammler> hg diff -r1.2 readme.txt ^
14:14:55  <Ammler> -rdefault*
14:15:34  <Ammler> For ECS, you need to fiddle with the paramters :-)
14:15:52  <V453000> I did.
14:16:19  <V453000> even the "best" parameters wont disable weird growth mechanism and winter/summer production for farms
14:16:32  <V453000> having 0 in winter and like 8000 for primary industry is just dumb
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14:29:21  <LordAro> evening all
14:32:45  <Eddi|zuHause> V453000: with "unplayable" i meant the game speed
14:33:01  <V453000> I know :)
14:34:04  <Eddi|zuHause> the game speed i had on my 386 DX25 with a full map was about the same as an ECS game with an empty map :)
14:35:12  <Yexo> <Ammler> is it intendend to skip Zuu from 1.2 readme? <- he becamse dev after 1.2 was released, so what's the problem?
14:43:24  <Ammler> nothing, was just wondering :-)
14:46:04  <Ammler> Yexo: it's not like you don't edit the readme in 1.2 anymore
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16:21:34  <andythenorth> lo
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17:05:59  <Zuu> krinn: If the current development-version of scp is free of known showstoppers, I could release a NoCarGoal with optional scp later tonight. By making scp toggable via a setting, its not the end of the world if more scp bugs turn up. NoCarGoal users can then disable scp if it causes them trouble.
17:06:38  <Zuu> But that could help getting a scp server out that AIs can start to do some work with.
17:07:25  <planetmaker> scp ?
17:07:40  <planetmaker> it's another scp than I usually think of, I guess
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17:17:29  <Zuu> planetmaker: Script Communication Protocol
17:17:44  <Zuu> http://wiki.openttd.org/Script_communication_protocol
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17:18:32  <Zuu> It's way less secure than the usual scp :-p
17:19:08  <Zuu> Humans that know the protocol can eavesdrop the communication by keeping his sign list open.
17:38:17  <planetmaker> :-)
17:38:29  <planetmaker> thx
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17:54:55  <krinn> yes zuu
17:55:05  <krinn> (i'm back)
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17:59:28  <jonty-comp> 502 on downloads :(
18:00:04  <jonty-comp> presumably on the mirror selector
18:04:52  * andythenorth wonders how many ottd downloads we're getting at the moment
18:05:01  <andythenorth> more or less than usual
18:05:03  <andythenorth> ?
18:05:50  <jonty-comp> none probably, since it's broken
18:06:11  <jonty-comp> (for me and 1 person who joined #tycoon, anyway)
18:06:14  <andythenorth> less than usual probably
18:06:54  <andythenorth> 502 for me too
18:11:31  <Terkhen> TrueBrain: check jonty-comp's lines above this one
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18:13:59  <planetmaker> there's openttd support in #tycoon?
18:14:28  <andythenorth> I thought  it was just spam there?
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18:16:46  <Alberth> hi hi
18:16:54  <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: it maybe naive people who try to get it :p
18:17:53  <krinn> bananas is down ?
18:18:13  <Eddi|zuHause> some ape ate all of them.
18:18:36  <krinn> 504 Gateway Time-out
18:18:45  <krinn> monkeys do it well
18:19:04  <Eddi|zuHause> oh, it increased. it was 502 in the report above :p
18:19:19  <krinn> oh sorry, didn't saw the few lines upper
18:19:31  <krinn> nothing new so :)
18:19:43  <Eddi|zuHause> it's all TrueBrain's fault
18:19:50  <krinn> ah yes, got 504 but on upload
18:20:04  <krinn> isn't it always TrueBrain's fault ?
18:20:12  <Eddi|zuHause> yes.
18:20:16  <Eddi|zuHause> or no.
18:20:21  <Eddi|zuHause> depends on your logic :p
18:20:27  <krinn> :P
18:20:40  <krinn> french's logic
18:20:45  <krinn> it mean weird one
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18:37:34  <AnotherOther> Anyone here not actually idle?
18:38:08  * Alberth is
18:38:19  * planetmaker is and will continue. Later folks :-)
18:38:27  <AnotherOther> Great, do you know anything about the OpenTTD downloads?
18:38:32  <AnotherOther> Its down
18:38:45  <krinn> we knows
18:38:50  <Alberth> that is also my only information :)
18:38:57  <AnotherOther> Joy
18:39:17  <AnotherOther> Well, hopefully it'll come back up
18:39:23  <krinn> must be a proof of how popular it is
18:39:31  <Alberth> somewhen it will be
18:39:33  <AnotherOther> Seems like a server being down would be connected to some sort of alarm
18:40:14  * NGC3982 suggest a topic change.
18:40:23  <AnotherOther> Suit yourself
18:40:33  <krinn> like if anyone read topic...
18:40:38  <NGC3982> krinn: True.
18:40:43  * NGC3982 didn't.
18:41:00  <andythenorth> hmm
18:41:04  * Alberth did notice it was the same as the last time :)
18:41:08  <andythenorth> who wants to get pingdom alerts? :P
18:41:11  <krinn> specially too crowd topic like this one
18:41:22  <andythenorth> users are probably about as effective as pingdom
18:42:13  <NGC3982> andythenorth: That sounds interesting.
18:42:40  <andythenorth> I doubt TrueBrain wants to get sms when openttd goes down :P
18:43:03  <NGC3982> I would, i guess.
18:43:06  <NGC3982> Or, i could, i guess.
18:43:15  <Alberth> especially as the server is elsewhere located :)
18:43:46  <NGC3982> Let's configure an auto-dialer
18:43:58  <andythenorth> NGC3982: you had ssh access to openttd servers? :o
18:44:02  <andythenorth> had / have /s
18:44:23  <NGC3982> No
18:44:27  <NGC3982> Im just being silly. :/
18:45:00  <NGC3982> I was actually refering to being able to make spree of issues.
18:45:04  <NGC3982> But never mind.
18:45:12  <Alberth> andythenorth: not much use when it's down :p
18:45:26  <andythenorth> usually the box is up, services are down in my experience :P
18:45:39  <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r24651 /trunk/src/lang (5 files) (2012-10-30 18:45:28 UTC)
18:45:40  <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
18:45:41  <DorpsGek> dutch - 6 changes by habell
18:45:42  <DorpsGek> english_US - 6 changes by Rubidium
18:45:43  <DorpsGek> finnish - 6 changes by jpx_
18:45:44  <DorpsGek> norwegian_bokmal - 3 changes by jhsoby
18:45:45  <DorpsGek> russian - 5 changes by Lone_Wolf
18:46:09  <Alberth> commit still works :)
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18:48:44  <krinn> banans website report my file, seem to upload didn't fail finally
18:54:05  <SomeBacon> if i expand the towns my mines belong to will they be more productive?
18:54:46  <andythenorth> no
18:54:50  <Alberth> not that I know :)
18:56:10  <SomeBacon> is there a way to make them more productive?
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18:56:23  <Alberth> serve them well
18:57:22  <Alberth> http://wiki.openttd.org/Game_mechanics#Industry_production   is how it works
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19:01:42  <SomeBacon> thanks
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19:02:44  <LordAro> has a certain person been informed that http://binaries.openttd.org/ is 502 bad gateway-ing ?
19:03:12  <Eddi|zuHause> certain persons get better notified if you actually highlight them...
19:04:01  <LordAro> i was checking first ;)
19:04:08  <LordAro> Truebrain: ^
19:04:16  <LordAro> happy? :P
19:04:47  <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, you can try reading logs, if that's not too much to ask
19:06:15  <DorpsGek> Commit by yexo :: r24652 extra/musa/text.py (2012-10-30 19:06:09 UTC)
19:06:16  <DorpsGek> [MUSA] -Fix: don't crash when both description_text and description_file are missing from the config file
19:07:06  <DorpsGek> Commit by yexo :: r24653 extra/musa/musa.py (2012-10-30 19:07:01 UTC)
19:07:07  <DorpsGek> [MUSA] -Feature: hide password when entered interactively
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19:48:20  <Wolf01> hello o/+
19:48:59  <Wolf01> uh, what's that attached on my arm?
19:49:08  <Yexo> your hand?
19:49:39  <Alberth> a sword to fight the deamons?
19:49:52  <Wolf01> no, at first it looked like a spider, but now there isn't anymore, see o/
19:50:10  <Alberth> phew, it's gone!
19:50:18  <Alberth> welcome
19:50:23  <Wolf01> :)
19:52:25  <TrueBrain> Python segfault! \o/
19:52:29  <TrueBrain> libmysqlclient
19:52:30  <TrueBrain> awesome
19:54:25  <TrueBrain> most likely cause: trying to use MySQL in a threaded env
19:54:27  <TrueBrain> jolly good
19:58:19  <Eddi|zuHause> threads are probably evil if you use a connection created in another thread
19:58:31  <Eddi|zuHause> at least sqlite complained when i tried that
19:58:32  <TrueBrain> no, they happen in the global space
19:58:42  <TrueBrain> the issue seems to be that if 2 threads happen to execute something at the same time
19:58:45  <TrueBrain> highly unlikely ...
19:58:51  <TrueBrain> but from what I understand, they dont lock .. so .. yeah ...
19:58:56  <TrueBrain> well, solution was easy
19:59:00  <TrueBrain> make a new connection every time someone asks
19:59:08  <TrueBrain> PHP does ... so why shouldn't my balancer ;)
19:59:22  <jonty-comp> excellent methodology :P
19:59:54  <TrueBrain> well ... a running service is more valuable than a resource friendly one
20:00:06  <TrueBrain> as, in the limit, the most resource friendly service is one that isn't running
20:00:44  <andythenorth> TrueBrain: if you rm the spec, you can always pass it
20:01:23  <TrueBrain> why doesn't mysql_ping reconnect the socket
20:01:25  <TrueBrain> that is just weird
20:01:26  <TrueBrain> and bad
20:08:52  <TrueBrain> for the balancer it seems I have to write a MySQL thread, which only handles queries
20:08:56  <TrueBrain> and send stuff to it ....
20:08:57  <TrueBrain> nasty
20:09:06  <Eddi|zuHause> hm... after all these years i still read it as "OTT DAU" instead of "OTTD AU" :p
20:10:03  <Eddi|zuHause> (with "DAU" being the "Dumbest Assumable User")
20:10:38  <peter1138> um
20:10:46  <peter1138> http://thewaltdisneycompany.com/disney-news/press-releases/2012/10/disney-acquire-lucasfilm-ltd
20:12:50  <andythenorth> I am so bored of shareholder value
20:13:06  <andythenorth> and that is speaking as a shareholder :P
20:13:24  <andythenorth> was Walt Disney's mission to increase long term shareholder value?
20:13:28  <andythenorth> or was it to make epic shit?
20:13:51  <Rubidium> andythenorth: epic shit
20:13:58  <NGC3982> I thought the current state was to survive.
20:14:09  <Rubidium> it's what basically all companies do
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20:14:23  <Rubidium> e.g. the banks a few years ago; we're still in their epic shit
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21:24:56  <Wolf01> 'night
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21:29:44  <MoreBacon> does using 2 engines instead of 1 improve train speed/acceleration?
21:31:11  <Supercheese> It definitely will improve acceleration
21:31:28  <Supercheese> it will only improve top speed if the 1-engine train couldn't reach top speed
21:31:38  <Supercheese> due to it being not powerful enough
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21:32:50  <MoreBacon> will a slower one only help accelerate to its top speed?
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21:42:53  <Supercheese> Generally a multi-engine train is only as fast as its slowest engine
21:43:24  <Supercheese> in order to have special "banking engines" or whatnot, the .grf author has to implement some code wizardry
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22:40:35  <Terkhen> good night
22:46:20  <krinn> how bananas handle version conflict ? i mean upload version 12, then changing something in version 12 and re-uploading version 12 : openttd see update and redownload newest version even version didn't change
22:46:24  <krinn> night Terkhen
22:47:05  <Eddi|zuHause> krinn: the content download only checks MD5, not the version
22:47:57  <Eddi|zuHause> krinn: version is only checked in the newgrf picker window, then all lower versions are not shown (by default), but all files with the same version are shown
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22:51:55  <krinn> Eddi|zuHause, so version replace should work for small fixes ?
22:52:21  <Eddi|zuHause> krinn: it will horribly confuse people...
22:52:54  <Eddi|zuHause> krinn: better increase the version for anything you publish
22:53:33  <krinn> except it's dirty as its a lib
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22:53:46  <krinn> version increase don't give bugfixes, until header are changed
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23:06:27  <planetmaker> krinn, don't use the same version if it differs. Even by one bit
23:06:32  <planetmaker> versions come for free
23:07:39  <planetmaker> and if you release a new one with the same version, a random (or both) will be shown - and how would I know which is newer?
23:07:57  <planetmaker> if you update the version string as displayed, you really need to update the other version, too
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23:32:07  <krinn> ok planetmaker won't do, version++ on each release
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