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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 02:00:30 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@modemcable133.8-80-70.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd [I'm done being in this room!] 02:11:37 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-007-198.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 02:21:05 <Flygon> Supercheese, welcome to the club 02:21:13 <Flygon> Had this name ever since I was 11! 02:21:26 <Flygon> And that's why I have such a ridiculous name 02:21:37 <Supercheese> Clearly Pokemon-inspired 02:21:42 <Supercheese> or well, directly Pokemon, even 02:21:56 <Flygon> Ayup 02:24:14 *** Markavian` [~Markavian@78-105-168-146.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 02:31:33 *** Markavian [~Markavian@78-105-168-146.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:33:29 *** MoreBacon [SomeBacon@pool-98-118-93-146.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 03:32:49 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.76.224] has joined #openttd 03:32:49 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@85.210.76.224] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:08:20 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:54b2:2e86:b5bc:955f] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:08:53 *** telanus [~telanus@105-236-172-139.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #openttd 04:39:04 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 16.0.2/20121024073032]] 05:10:25 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.76.224] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:11:10 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.76.224] has joined #openttd 05:36:40 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0097ae.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 05:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD5ED9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 05:56:18 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD470B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:04:19 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 06:19:33 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 06:29:33 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0097ae.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:37:59 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 06:47:25 *** telanus [~telanus@105-236-172-139.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:48:56 *** telanus [~telanus@105-236-172-139.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #openttd 07:02:10 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 07:06:32 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 07:06:36 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 07:57:20 *** andythenorth [~Andy@2002:4d66:7022:0:28eb:b220:9a84:5221] has joined #openttd 08:05:04 *** benny [~ben@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 08:05:09 *** benny [~ben@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has quit [] 08:06:27 *** benny [~ben@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 08:14:21 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat-ulcn.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has joined #openttd 08:17:17 <NGC3982> Oh my 08:17:26 <NGC3982> The buzz around here gives me a headache 08:18:50 <TyrHeimdal> *bzzzzzzzzz* 08:26:12 *** andythenorth [~Andy@2002:4d66:7022:0:28eb:b220:9a84:5221] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 08:28:21 <Terkhen> good morning 08:31:26 <benny> mornin 08:31:33 <krinn> morning 08:32:14 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-94-211.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 08:33:58 <MNIM> beees? 08:37:01 <NGC3982> Knees! 08:37:18 <NGC3982> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs-tl6GBOBo 08:37:47 <TyrHeimdal> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bee's_knees 08:37:50 <TyrHeimdal> is this accurat? 08:38:01 <TyrHeimdal> +e 08:40:09 <NGC3982> Indeed! 08:41:33 <MNIM> oh god. not the bees. 08:44:22 *** skipi [~smuxi@host22-185.tvk.torun.pl] has joined #openttd 08:49:59 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:04:37 *** benny is now known as benny|class 09:25:18 *** Vadtec [~Vadtec@2001:470:1f06:13e0::1337] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:34:19 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host217-43-26-41.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:35:03 <LordAro> mornings 09:36:04 <planetmaker> good morning 09:43:35 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-095-033-152-132.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 09:48:41 *** Zeknurn` [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 09:50:57 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@cybertinus.jkit.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:50:58 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@cybertinus.jkit.nl] has joined #openttd 09:53:39 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:53:39 *** Zeknurn` is now known as Zeknurn 10:06:21 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@modemcable105.141-163-184.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 10:06:44 <drac_boy> hi 10:12:17 <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause, for the record: i have a new job as of Feb :-P 10:12:29 <dihedral> hello by the way ;-) 10:14:34 <planetmaker> salut dihedral 10:14:46 <dihedral> hello pm :-) 10:14:50 <planetmaker> and... again a new job? :-) I surely hope you improve... in both satisfaction and salary :-) 10:16:46 <Terkhen> good morning everyone :P 10:18:17 <Ammler> he might need to feed a littled-ih then? 10:28:52 * drac_boy found the magazine with that article about the 9F locomotive and the photo of that one odd 2-2-2-2 locomotive that looked like it should had been a 2-4-2 10:31:37 <drac_boy> and it was like I thought... the 9F sure could run fast for a while till finally they were pulled out of such uses over fear of high rotational speed wears 10:31:52 <Eddi|zuHause> wait... an (1'A)(A1') locomotive? did they have 20m radius or something? :p 10:32:18 <drac_boy> at least 80mph .. which is quite fast for five large coupled axles tbh 10:32:23 <drac_boy> Eddi|zuHause one second let me turn pages... 10:33:16 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 10:34:33 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 10:34:45 <drac_boy> oh sorry Eddi|zuHause was thinking of a bit different later locomotive .. this one is actually a 4-2-2-0 ... L&SWR e10. and quoting part of the description it says 'these complex and over-cylindered locomotives were capable of working heavy trains but few drivers could master their idiosyncrasies' 10:35:30 <drac_boy> at least it lasted from 1901 to 1926 so apparently it was ok 10:37:56 <Eddi|zuHause> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LSWR_T7_class 10:38:51 <drac_boy> mm nice 10:39:16 <Eddi|zuHause> ah, so the wheels were just uncoupled, not actually turnable 10:40:22 <drac_boy> only related thing I even know of was the short-lived LNER U1, and theres that somewhat famous story about them failing on the lickey incline only to be assisted by a big bertha .. giving you so many drive axles in one single train :-. 10:40:30 <drac_boy> :_>* 10:40:44 <drac_boy> other than the U1 I don't know of any standard gauge attempts in uk 10:41:26 <Eddi|zuHause> the germans had a "steam motor" engine (prototype only) with 4 uncoupled axles 10:42:14 <Eddi|zuHause> it was captured by the americans, moved to the USA, and because they didn't really have a use for it, scrapped it. 10:43:10 <drac_boy> Eddi|zuHause mm actually I think that one was on a site that listed strange steam locomotive but sadly their server has been 404 for a while 10:43:13 <Flygon> It's a shame so many interesting locomotives were scapped 10:43:20 <drac_boy> it looked a bit like the BR.05 in term of streamlining 10:43:26 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 10:43:58 <drac_boy> it had V pistons per axle .. sorta like a 2-cylinder gas engine 10:44:10 <drac_boy> other than that I don't recall more 10:44:10 <Flygon> So, they made a V2 Steam Engine? 10:44:20 <drac_boy> actually no flygon.. 10:44:31 <Eddi|zuHause> Flygon: no, V8 10:44:35 <drac_boy> it was V2 per axle .. so basically it was 4*V2 .. eight cylinders 10:44:35 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d108-180-123-63.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: for the love of god this is not safe for work] 10:44:40 <Flygon> Oh, derp 10:44:50 <Flygon> Sorry, only just caught up to the discussion x3 10:45:22 <drac_boy> np flygon you probably don't want to ask about THIS then http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/erie5014.jpg 10:45:34 <Eddi|zuHause> http://schneider-mayenfisch.com/drg_lokomotiven_19_1001.htm 10:45:45 <Flygon> Is that a duplex? 10:45:45 <Eddi|zuHause> has some pictures 10:45:48 <drac_boy> they had a really poor life .. it was difficult to keep them fired hot enough so they were stuck to slow (as in less than 20mph) heavy train banking service till scrapped 10:45:55 <drac_boy> flygon...look close ... duh :p 10:46:44 <Flygon> Or is it a triplex?... my brain is so full of derp 10:46:58 <drac_boy> their problem back then was that you only could get so much psi out of a typical boiler these days ... hence why it never could work up enough running steam 10:47:08 <drac_boy> flygon ... correct 10:47:12 <Flygon> Wow 10:47:50 <drac_boy> the funny thing tho is someone actually built a live scale steam locomotive example .. and it had like 400+psi boiler (the smaller size and more modern materials helps probably) ... it could run pretty well 10:47:53 <Flygon> It didn't click that it could be a triplex until I saw that third... valve? I forgot the name x.x 10:48:17 <drac_boy> I'm sure you could find the video of it online..its only a few years old 10:48:33 <Flygon> All we need is carbon nanotube boilers, then we'll get all the psi we want :D 10:48:46 <drac_boy> heh well the point was ... pre-1950s you had a lot of limits :) 10:48:56 <Eddi|zuHause> Flygon: you mean piston, probably 10:49:05 <drac_boy> and erie found out the hard way :p 10:49:18 <Flygon> Yep. Burning thousands of litres of oil just to get that absurd about of torque. B-) 10:49:28 <Flygon> Eddi: Whatever the box thing is... 10:49:42 <Flygon> Point is, my brain had a derp moment, didn't see the one near the tender 10:49:43 <drac_boy> flygon just so you know there were still a lot of good duplex designs..just some of them (mainly PRR's) were too late into dieselization to prove their life 10:49:47 <drac_boy> one moment.. 10:49:56 <Flygon> I know 10:50:03 <Flygon> The T1 was very interesting 10:50:12 <drac_boy> this was the unstreamlined freight version http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/prr6130.jpg 10:50:31 <drac_boy> notice the way the middle is seperated on a rigid chassis 10:50:36 <Eddi|zuHause> does that tender have 8 axles? 10:50:50 <drac_boy> yeah .. it was typical for maximum capacity 10:50:51 <dihedral> <planetmaker> and... again a new job? :-) I surely hope you improve... in both satisfaction and salary :-) <- first at least in salary :-P 10:51:01 <drac_boy> UP had 4+12 axle tenders somewhere 10:51:04 <drac_boy> or something like that 10:51:16 <Flygon> Far out 10:51:32 <Flygon> America is full of crazy @.@ 10:51:37 <Eddi|zuHause> the german 18 201 ("the fastest operational steam engine") nowadays runs with two tenders, because refilling stations are found sparsely 10:51:47 <dihedral> and at least the company is a bit bigger and they seem to take more care of their employees 10:52:02 <Flygon> http://www.noarail.com/members2/d/2373-2/H+220+Heavy+Harry.JPG This would be the biggest Australia ever got with Steam :p 10:52:03 <drac_boy> flygon these Q1's never had much life...to put it short...they were built then only a few years diesel orders were announced....blam these fine fast heavy locomotives are short-listed :| 10:52:13 <Flygon> Ahh, yes 10:52:22 <Flygon> Australia had the exact same scenario with Victorian railway 10:52:26 <Flygon> Railways* 10:52:47 <Flygon> Basically, around 1952, they ordered a load of locomotives to replace a lot of WW1 era to pre-WW2 stock 10:52:53 <Flygon> Half-Diesel, half-Steam 10:52:58 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.bahnbilder.de/1024/die-18-201-am-20032009-379772.jpg <-- looks like this then 10:53:00 <Flygon> Guess what half survives to this day 10:53:17 <Eddi|zuHause> they call it "the fear tender" 10:53:34 <Flygon> Haha, oh wow 10:53:45 <Flygon> That's.... actually pretty clever 10:53:57 <drac_boy> btw flygon...tbh some of the usa tenders could get a bit crazy in term of size 10:54:08 <Flygon> drac: I saw 10:54:09 <Eddi|zuHause> it's mostly about water, i presume 10:54:24 <Flygon> The very large locomotives have been of an odd interest of mine 10:54:25 <drac_boy> I know at least one example where a semi-presuperpower 4-8-4 had a typical 2-trucks tender with low top ... but guess what it eventually ended up with late in its life? 10:54:38 *** Guest3761 [~roland@194-166-220-26.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:54:42 <drac_boy> it was a HUGE 6-axles monster that was almost as long as the locomotive itself 0_o 10:54:44 <Elukka> how do you get water from the second tender to the first? 10:54:53 <drac_boy> they must have had problem with express schedules and lack of fuel 10:54:58 <Eddi|zuHause> the hydrants that you usually find at stations nowadays only have very small water output, so it would take ages to refill 10:54:59 <Flygon> Good plumbing? 10:55:21 <drac_boy> and for the record... go look up how long an express 4-8-4 locomotive is on NYC 10:56:10 <drac_boy> it was an odd photo .. the locomotive almost looked overshadowed by its tender 10:56:29 <Flygon> Hmmm 10:57:23 <Flygon> Strangely, only 4-8-4 I've seen built locally, has a tender that's much smaller than the locomotive itself... and it was designed for interstate services (around 800-900km long) 10:57:33 <Flygon> Lots of high pressure water pumps? 10:57:43 <drac_boy> either way flygon theres something else I don't know much of .. but if you were looking through older drg photos and saw a tender that had raised coal bunker walls and a cover on top ... that was one of the few experinment done with pulverized coal which I suspect might had not worked out as well as they first thought 10:57:43 <Eddi|zuHause> <Flygon> Guess what half survives to this day <-- factoid: in the west german railways, the oil-fired steam engines survived longer, in the east german railways, the coal-fired steam engines survived longer 10:58:10 <drac_boy> the locomotive themself were conventional otherwise 10:58:28 <Flygon> drac: We experimented with pulverized coal here, too. I don't think anything really resulted, by recollection. Good or bad. 10:58:41 <Flygon> Eddi: Heh... 10:58:50 <Flygon> Coal was much cheaper in East Germany, I take it? 11:02:13 <Eddi|zuHause> actually, oil was rather cheap, because it came from russia. but in the west there was the "oil crisis", so the east rather sold the oil for high prices than use it themselves :) 11:02:13 <drac_boy> flygon btw would you like to know of a compound mallet that enjoyed a good life till finally escalting costs meant it was about time to consider retiring them? :) 11:02:13 <Flygon> Of course 11:02:13 <Flygon> @ drac 11:02:13 <Flygon> Eddi: Hahaha, that's actually pretty smart 11:02:13 <Eddi|zuHause> the russians weren't quite that impressed, actually :) 11:02:13 <drac_boy> http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/ns1001.jpeg try find the "little" fireman sitting out of the cab window ... really huge indeed .. these things could shove 300+ tonnes of coal up the mountain at 20mph then a few hours later wheel fast freight (boxcars, etc) on the more flatter sections at 55mph 11:02:13 <drac_boy> they were really good locomotive which explained why N&W refused diesels till the 1960s finally (due to costs) 11:02:13 <Flygon> drac: That's bloody massive 11:02:13 <Flygon> Far, out. 11:02:13 <drac_boy> aye :) 11:02:17 *** roland [~roland@194-166-220-26.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 11:02:41 <Flygon> Eddi: The Russians tried to build a 4-14-4 locomotive, they have no excuse 11:02:55 *** roland is now known as Guest3863 11:03:16 <Flygon> :p 11:03:19 <Eddi|zuHause> Flygon: i mean about the selling-oil-thing 11:03:23 <Flygon> I know 11:03:41 <Flygon> But I lacked any really good followup statements x3 11:04:10 *** argoneus [~argoneus@smtp.gvp.cz] has joined #openttd 11:05:04 *** peter1138 [~petern@lachesis.fuzzle.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:05:07 *** peter1138 [~petern@lachesis.fuzzle.org] has joined #openttd 11:05:10 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 11:06:12 <Flygon> Most oil burning locomotives here were actually converted to it from coal.. 11:06:46 <Flygon> It succeeded, they're still used in the same configuration :p 11:07:08 * drac_boy kinda rather prefer coal 11:07:09 <drac_boy> :) 11:08:10 <Flygon> Try finding an Australian un-lazy enough willing to shovel it :D 11:09:10 *** benny|cl1ss [~ben@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 11:09:28 <drac_boy> actually flygon australia had many coal fired garratts 11:10:32 <Flygon> I meant in modern use. Many R-class locomotives (Victoria) here have had been oil burning :p 11:10:39 <Flygon> But, I know what you mean 11:10:45 <Flygon> Historically... we ate coal for breafast :D 11:11:05 <drac_boy> flygon tbh I've always had something for garratts from either africa or australia tho 11:11:21 <drac_boy> theres just something about them especially the "unrestricted" fireboxes too 11:12:01 *** benny|class [~ben@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:12:25 <Flygon> Which ones are you talking about? I should warn that I've been more privy of Victorian locomotives, compared to NSW, SA, and QLD... 11:12:27 <drac_boy> flygon just so you know what I mean..take a normal steam locomotive..the firebox has to sit just by the rear drive axle and over any tail axles .. but with a garratt .. theres nothing except track gauge restricting the firebox so it can be pretty wide and 'bottomless' deep 11:13:48 <drac_boy> heres some good ones http://www.camdenmin.co.uk/images/products/large/2008BeyerGarratt1.jpg the first one almost looks like its barely clearing the railheads :-> 11:14:43 <Flygon> Ahh, I'm pretty sure I know what you're on about now x3 11:14:55 <Flygon> I can't recall how many VR locomotives were Garratt style 11:15:06 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-94-211.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 11:16:40 *** benny|cl1ss is now known as benny|class 11:16:56 <drac_boy> flygon and mind you it was the garratts that hauled the royal train once in a while back then in africa 11:17:02 <drac_boy> http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/arts/yourpaintings/images/paintings/lls/large/sfk_lls_lesls_714_large.jpg this is an artwork example 11:17:22 <Flygon> Nice painting :) 11:17:28 <drac_boy> its almost the same thing with the canadian Hudson that earned them the royal logos and became Royal Hudson instead 11:17:29 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 11:17:35 <Flygon> Sleeper spacing on that line is atrociously spread apart, though :D 11:17:56 <drac_boy> well its only an artwork mind you 11:18:10 <Flygon> True that 11:18:34 <drac_boy> white reminds me.... 11:19:48 <Flygon> We had a Royal Train here... 11:20:07 <drac_boy> there was at least one train in usa that was named after a frictious white princess .. and the train was painted more or less white too ... they wanted to make it clear that their own locomotives ran on clean coal hence the lady was never dirty at all 11:20:20 <drac_boy> it lasted for quite a few years 11:20:23 <Flygon> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/40/AA_548_decorated_royal_train.jpg I never saw so many flags on a train 11:21:16 <Flygon> I wouldn't bother trying to claim anything in Australia could ever be clean :p 11:21:18 <drac_boy> and btw flygon some of the trains in colorado used what they called Moffat Coal .. it was so clean that if you forgot to check your firebox once in a while you could be left with absolutely no fire at all because there was almost no ash at all 11:21:20 <Eddi|zuHause> the track looks weirdly asymmetric 11:21:49 <drac_boy> so yeah talk about not putting any new coal in later then wonder why theres no fire left anymore = !!! 11:22:07 <Flygon> eg. After a week of the VLocity trains running here, people painted flames. Into the dust accumulated into the front of the train. 11:22:39 <Eddi|zuHause> "wash me" :p 11:22:41 <Flygon> drac: Hahaha, wow. That's insane! 11:22:49 <Flygon> Eddi: That was also painted in at some point 11:22:58 <drac_boy> flygon yeah .. theres not that many coal sources that had very little or no ash content :) 11:23:04 <Flygon> Also, it looks asymetric because it's on a diamond switch 11:23:26 <Flygon> I can imagine that coal is very expensive 11:24:04 <drac_boy> flygon of course theres the problem with cinder-like or all-cinker coals just as well tho 11:24:33 <drac_boy> nothing like a slow train finally stopping by the hill stalled due to no steam pressure and only small green/blue flames 11:24:35 <Flygon> Ah, no, it wasn't a VLocity 11:24:54 <Flygon> http://railgallery.wongm.com/albums/lighter-side/D259_5948.jpg But the Z sets have seen much better days 11:25:11 <Flygon> ...oh, that was an N-set 11:25:16 <Flygon> Far out 11:25:34 <Flygon> Z-set carriages are from the 50s, N-sets have been built from 1983 to 2012... 11:25:36 <drac_boy> one story I recall of was...such train finally found an old trackside junk piles ... they stopped there and hunted for old tires and some other miscs ... then got the train rolling again...FAST ... although later at the engine shed the whole firebox *stinked* of all that hot rubbers :) 11:25:51 <drac_boy> it took them a long time to clear out that firebox as the story said 11:26:15 <Flygon> Oh wow 11:26:21 <Flygon> That's... actually pretty smart 11:26:34 <drac_boy> Flygon yeah they were a bit despair for anything better than the unburnable coals they were stuck with 11:26:59 <drac_boy> the funny thing tho is... that locomotive in question was supposed to be retired soon .. the conductor joked that they had already re-tired it! 11:27:06 <drac_boy> such silly people heh 11:27:45 <Eddi|zuHause> Flygon: somehow that picture looks like a model 11:28:09 <Elukka> the platform looks unrealistic 11:28:11 <Elukka> :P 11:28:14 <Flygon> I found what I was looking for 11:28:16 <Flygon> http://railgallery.wongm.com/albums/lighter-side/E100_7023.jpg 11:28:16 <Elukka> i think it's partially the perspective 11:28:45 <Flygon> wongm probably took the N-set photo from one of the overhead walkways. Hence, the odd perspective. 11:29:01 <drac_boy> flygon btw don't know if you ever heard of these kind of thing but could you imagine what it is like if the class of steam locomotives were originally built for one task but at some later date they got bumped off and so had to work somewhere only to find out they were so much better at that than their original task? 11:29:34 <Flygon> drac: It's happened here 11:29:45 <V453000> the WASH is awesome :D 11:29:51 <Flygon> Though, in some cases, it was out of necessity 11:30:00 <Flygon> Or because they just had spare locomotives 11:30:42 <drac_boy> flygon mm well some Frisco 4-8-4 were freight locomotives but then one day .. a passenger train failed with poor water injectors .. only locomotive nearby was guess what? and everyone took note when it accerlated the late train hard out of the station and made it on time .. a few days later several of them were reassigned to passenger service for good 11:31:00 <Flygon> Hahaha, wow, niiiice 11:31:08 <drac_boy> or the UP FEF (as in their modern 4-8-4) having had been more of a passenger locomotive but when that was taken by diesels they found good life with heavy fast freights instead 11:31:11 <Flygon> We've had the same happen here with Diesel locomotives... 11:31:54 <Flygon> Since the passenger lines here have a low top speed anyway, VR/V/Line have reassigned some of their (then) freight locomotives to passenger services... and it ran like a perfect charm 11:32:36 <Flygon> Ahh, yeah, the H-class here also ended up with a passenger-to-freight reassignment 11:32:52 <Flygon> Which was also a 4-8-4 locomotive (biggest in Australia) 11:33:03 <drac_boy> flygon oh and btw one small commuter railroad actually used some old alco diesels ... they only could do 45mph max but that didn't matter too much against their crazy accerlation. they fit in really well with all the close-spaced stations at the time after all 11:33:27 <drac_boy> eventually there were no more carbody diesels working these routes anymore..all taken over by the "freight" alco units :) 11:33:27 <Flygon> The line it was built for didn't get upgraded for WWII, though. So it got reassigned to the NE line for heavy-freight haulage. Not bad for what ended up being the only Steam H-class locomotive. 11:34:08 <Flygon> Ahh, heh 11:34:41 <drac_boy> flygon..yeah so basically it went like this..stop at station....then notch 8 ... soon its hitting the 45mph limiter .. .then soon there goes the brakes ... stop ... repeat 11:34:51 <Flygon> Hahaha 11:34:51 <drac_boy> they coudl restart hard indeed 11:34:59 <Flygon> That would never happen in Victoria... 11:35:45 <drac_boy> btw flygon I don't recall any details but I do remember at least one commuter train was actually assigned steam power (and it wasn't a big boiler neither) once in a while .. and it still could stick to the same strict timetables with ease surprisingly 11:35:46 <Flygon> All our stuff accelerates like a slug, the station spacing is often far apart for non-Metro lines, and the top speed basically everywhere is 100-115km/h 11:35:51 <drac_boy> in victoria that is 11:36:05 <Flygon> Reassigned from Diesel to Steam? 11:36:46 <drac_boy> think so, it was like in the 90's or later as it was standard colour video 11:36:54 <drac_boy> let me see if I can find it 11:36:59 <Flygon> Ahhh 11:36:59 <Flygon> Right 11:37:05 <Flygon> Yes, that was probably an R-class locomotive 11:37:14 <Flygon> They were designed for express passenger in the 1950s 11:37:17 <Flygon> Yes, the 1950s 11:37:39 <drac_boy> yeah looks like it I think :) 11:37:39 <Flygon> They are actually pretty powerful, V/Line used them for 'driver training' 11:37:56 *** benny|cl1ss [~ben@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 11:38:10 <Flygon> But I'm pretty sure everyone knows it's because they were far more powerful than V/Line's T/P class locomotives, and could go faster 11:38:19 <drac_boy> flygon heh well I didn't till now :P 11:39:04 <drac_boy> flygon its not the locomotive themself so much but theres one particular small feature in japan I sorta find interesting.. 11:39:10 <Flygon> The R-class was also used by West Coast Railway in the 1990s to 2005, often oil burning 11:39:37 <Flygon> For a 350-400kmish express journey 11:40:09 <drac_boy> if you see a steam locomotive with "eyes" then it was a locomotive built for service up north where winters can be quite heavy ... basically rather than a single headlight by smokestack they had one "clipped" to each smoke deflectors .. giving them the nickname 11:40:15 *** argoneus [~argoneus@smtp.gvp.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:40:31 <Flygon> This actually became very maintainence intensive for WCR, because they kept melting the internals of the engines, and they were very very noisy 11:40:39 <drac_boy> two lights were better than one they recokened .. and that seem to hold true 11:40:48 *** benny|class [~ben@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:41:16 <Flygon> And when they ran a test run on the Bendigo line (at line speed), they emerged from one of the tunnels it entered with bricks on it... the steam outputted was that strongly forced 11:41:22 <Flygon> Ahh, yeah 11:41:27 <Flygon> 2 headlights makes a lot of sense 11:41:49 <Flygon> Especially when you're somewhere where there'd be lots of fog... 11:42:02 <drac_boy> flygon and naturally japan also kept steam for longer in general than everyone else so a steam-hauled container train was not too strange over there 11:42:21 <drac_boy> part of that problem was because they were slow to develop diesels so steam stayed out a long time on light lines 11:42:23 <Flygon> ...heck, the VLocity trains here use 4 headlights, because fog + 160km/h + level crossings... 11:42:28 <Flygon> Ahh 11:42:34 <Flygon> I was surprised to learn Japan ever used Diesels 11:42:50 <Flygon> Because I assumed they used 1500V and 25kV AC electrification everywhere 11:43:07 <drac_boy> it took them some time to finally make the DD15 and other alike locomotives which had light axles ... some people have said they were the "geep" of japan .. which is true because these locos could handle any trains including 2-carriages passenger too 11:43:28 <drac_boy> that was the final bite into steam 11:44:31 <Flygon> Wait, what exactly do you mean by slow to develop Diesel? 11:44:36 <drac_boy> mind you the DD15 had something that was a bit unique for its time .. the middle idle axle (it was A1A trucks fyi) could be raised or lowered as needed so... 11:44:48 <Flygon> Huh, interesting 11:45:08 <Flygon> Were they powered? 11:45:10 <drac_boy> so yeah it could run more or less as a heavy 4-axle diesel on most lines but then when it came to a short freight on old branchlines it ran more as 6-axle with that weight spreading out by then 11:45:25 <drac_boy> flygon..if it was powered it wouldn't be an A1A but a C :p 11:45:31 <Flygon> Ah, gotcha 11:45:39 <Flygon> My foam lacks the force of yours :p 11:45:49 <drac_boy> only in the last few years is usa finally trying out the idea of raiseable axles .. goes to show how early japan was 11:46:02 <Flygon> What decade was this? 11:46:15 <drac_boy> around the 60-80's I think .. I forgot exactly 11:46:19 <Flygon> Ah, gotcha 11:46:23 <drac_boy> but usa is only finally trying it in 2010 .. go figure 11:46:40 <Flygon> Japan developed stuff out of necessity 11:46:50 <Flygon> The USA hasn't seen the need... 11:47:08 <drac_boy> flygon btw japan also has that interesting thing where passenger trains own the lines and freight trains have to get permission to run on it ... unlike most other places where its the freights that own and maintain the tracks 11:47:21 <Flygon> Ahh 11:47:28 <Flygon> Here, the Government owns tracks 11:47:39 <drac_boy> so thats why you might find a lot of overpowered short freights .. only because they have to slot inbetween all the passenger trains which means fast accerlations is a necessarity 11:47:45 <Flygon> Except for some mining ones in WA... 11:48:17 <drac_boy> nothing like seeing a big 6-axles 3000+hp electric locomotive with only six tank wagons on a very tight schedule :) 11:48:35 <Flygon> Heh x3 11:48:38 <drac_boy> but japan still does have longer freight trains .. they just run on less traffikied lines instead 11:49:13 <Flygon> I still find it funny to see locomotives of horsepowers over 2,500hp... 11:49:16 <drac_boy> flygon btw they still do it but a lot of the times the branch freight trains are top&tail by two DD15's .. one on front, one on rear - both always working 11:49:28 <Flygon> Victoria has really weak-ass locomotives :B 11:49:36 <drac_boy> then again certain routes have no turn-around faculity tho 11:49:54 <Flygon> Ah, so they push-pull? 11:50:03 <Flygon> That makes perfect sense 11:51:04 <drac_boy> flygon one other thing that I think is only 'common' in japan... 11:51:51 <Flygon> (we push pull with locomotives on passenger services here... but it's because the locomotives are sooo weak, and need to be able to reach 100km fast enough to keep on timetable :p) 11:52:29 *** benny|class [~ben@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 11:53:34 <drac_boy> single wiper that travel in 'endless' circle .. instead of the usual whip wipers like everywhere else ... it makes sense tho .. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/61/JNR-DD51-1152.jpg/300px-JNR-DD51-1152.jpg you can't really see the wiper but you can see the circle that they travel in tho 11:54:02 <drac_boy> it makes sense... the wiper is always moving all the times so its too easy to keep it clear .. compared to normal wiper which have to stop ... move other way .. stop .. which can cause problems :) 11:54:20 <Flygon> http://railgallery.wongm.com/lighter-side/D720_2062.jpg.html Victorian Railways: Australia's Navy 11:54:33 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:55:11 <Flygon> Huh 11:55:19 *** benny|cl1ss [~ben@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:55:21 <Flygon> That's pretty clever. I never thought of circular whipers 11:55:51 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@eduroam-237.felk.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 11:56:27 <drac_boy> flygon well these very diesels were the ones assigned to plow duty a lot of the times as well 11:56:38 <Flygon> Oooh 11:56:39 <Flygon> Right 11:56:47 <Flygon> Japan needs snow plows... 11:56:50 <Flygon> It rarely snows here 11:56:51 <drac_boy> this shows one of the few examples of their plows they use http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2788/4344857177_f818cf21d0_z.jpg and yeah notice the ever reducency of more lights on the plow itself :p 11:57:00 <drac_boy> thats a DD15 there mind you 11:57:15 <Flygon> To be fair. It is a pretty darn big plow! 11:57:26 <Flygon> Doesn't hurt to give extra warnin 11:57:37 <drac_boy> btw if you're wondering..that one specific plow is used for multi-track lines .. it can shove everyong off to one single side one moment then shove in a equal V shape other moment 11:57:54 <drac_boy> thats why the long red arm pole 11:59:29 <andythenorth> Yexo: I have a directory of files with clean industry properties :) 11:59:33 <Flygon> O.o 11:59:33 <drac_boy> heres a dedicated snow clearing "locomotive" in the typical winter squall http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/JR_HokkaidÅ_snow_blower.JPG/800px-JR_HokkaidÅ_snow_blower.JPG 11:59:38 <drac_boy> how do you like THAT flygon? 11:59:43 <Flygon> Japan: Efficient as hell 11:59:54 <Flygon> Also 11:59:56 <Flygon> Link failed 12:00:24 <drac_boy> and again the moveable side plates are so it can "squeeze" to fit down station platform tracks .. then swing wide open as soon as its out of the station 12:00:44 <drac_boy> the flickr or the wiki one? 12:01:00 <Flygon> http://www.vicsig.net/passenger/photos/20070717-vl35-ballan-bm1.jpg This is all that happens when it snows in Australia. You just accumulate and wipe. :p 12:01:02 <Flygon> Wiki 12:01:06 <drac_boy> try this then http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:JR_HokkaidÅ_snow_blower.JPG 12:01:18 <drac_boy> may be your browser doesn't like the foreign "o" letter in the name tho 12:01:31 <Flygon> IRC doesn't 12:01:37 <Flygon> I must be running in ASCII mode... 12:01:40 <Flygon> Got a Tinyurl? 12:02:19 <drac_boy> http://tinyurl.com/japanblow 12:02:27 <drac_boy> don't mind my silly tag name ^ 12:02:33 <Flygon> .... 12:02:34 <Flygon> Yeah 12:02:40 <Flygon> My browser doesn't like it @.@ 12:02:43 <drac_boy> its a snowblower so :P 12:02:50 <drac_boy> hm what you using anyway? 12:02:50 <Flygon> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/JR_Hokkaidō_snow_blower.JPG/800px-JR_Hokkaidō_snow_blower.JPG isn't a good URL 12:02:53 <Flygon> And trust me 12:03:05 <Flygon> I've seen far far worse innuendo :p 12:03:08 <drac_boy> theres the problem..your browser doesn't even understand 8859-1 or utf-8 neither 12:03:08 <Flygon> Chrome 12:03:30 <drac_boy> hm well don't know of any other image sources sorry 12:03:52 * drac_boy needs to go eat anyway 12:04:08 <Flygon> Alright 12:04:13 <Flygon> Have fun eating! 12:06:25 <Flygon> http://railgallery.wongm.com/lighter-side/D127_2742.jpg.html drac_boy's destination 12:08:59 *** benny|cl1ss [~ben@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 12:11:50 *** benny|class [~ben@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:16:20 *** Guest3863 [~roland@194-166-220-26.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:19:22 *** roland [~roland@194-166-220-26.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 12:19:55 *** roland is now known as Guest3879 12:19:57 <drac_boy> back for a bit now 12:20:41 <drac_boy> flygon I'm a bit surprised that chrome has no idea how to deal with 8859-1 charsets tho .. makes you wonder if chrome is unpopular in europe for that reason 12:20:43 <Flygon> wba 12:20:48 <Flygon> Might be 12:20:57 <Flygon> Chrome is very very very popular in Australia... 12:21:12 <Flygon> How well does Chrome handle Asian charsets? 12:21:44 <peter1138> ^ works for me 12:21:45 <drac_boy> even IE5.1 which dates 1996 can deal with everything including chinese 12:21:58 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 12:22:14 <Flygon> Hmm 12:22:17 <Flygon> Either way 12:22:26 <Flygon> This be the first time I've really had Chrome break 12:22:42 <peter1138> Å isn't in iso-8859-1 12:22:53 <drac_boy> flygon but anyhow heres something that never ever got preserved at all sadly enough: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m93z5qjp761qa6vr1o1_1280.jpg 12:23:01 <drac_boy> it was the most famous locomotive for some time 12:23:07 <drac_boy> all were scrapped 12:23:40 <Flygon> Is that the T1? 12:23:47 <Flygon> I'm not sure... 12:23:51 <Flygon> I know I recognize it, though 12:23:53 <drac_boy> its the nyc hudsons 12:23:58 <Flygon> No, not the T1 12:23:59 <Flygon> Derp 12:24:04 <Flygon> Sorry, getting tired, hahaha 12:24:08 <Flygon> The nose threw me off 12:24:20 <drac_boy> flygon and theres http://www.toytrains1.com/images/trains/nyc_5344.jpg 12:24:20 <Flygon> Ahh 12:24:26 <drac_boy> the curved bottom was interesting 12:24:45 <Flygon> ....that looks almost exactly like an S-class with Spirit of Progress shell 12:24:46 <Flygon> Lemme get pic 12:25:10 <Flygon> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b1/Spirit_of_Progress_c1938.jpg 12:25:15 <drac_boy> http://www.toytrains1.com/images/trains/nyc_6000.jpg and that was the famous superpower Niagra series 12:25:18 <Flygon> I was wrong 12:26:05 <Flygon> ... 12:26:11 <Flygon> How many wheels is that on the tender? 12:26:36 <drac_boy> 2+5 axles 12:26:39 <Flygon> Wow 12:26:45 <drac_boy> its only a bit smaller than the ones UP used 12:26:46 <drac_boy> :) 12:27:30 <drac_boy> anyway flygon if you're around another time we should talk more ok? :P I need to go for a while now 12:27:37 <Flygon> Alright 12:27:40 <Flygon> Have fun! 12:28:25 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@modemcable105.141-163-184.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd [I'm done being in this room!] 12:30:25 *** guru3 [~guru3@90-224-111-173-no225.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:36:00 *** argoneus [~argoneus@smtp.gvp.cz] has joined #openttd 12:36:50 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:36:57 * andythenorth has committed one of the sins 12:37:04 <andythenorth> using python to write python code 12:38:48 <Terkhen> why is that a sin? :P 12:38:58 <andythenorth> BECAUSE IT'S MADNESS :) 12:40:50 <andythenorth> anyway, FIRS economies are probably not far away 12:40:57 <andythenorth> I have work to do right now 12:41:10 <andythenorth> if anybody fancies copy and paste of 49 blocks of code, that would help 12:41:14 <andythenorth> it's mindless 12:41:53 <andythenorth> probably soothing 12:42:24 *** guru3 [~guru3@90-224-111-173-no225.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 12:53:41 <Belugas> hello 12:58:38 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:58:50 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 13:02:31 <Yexo> andythenorth: I did the conversion of the spritelayouts for the fruit plantation yesterday from pypnml to .py 13:02:37 <andythenorth> ho 13:02:39 <andythenorth> awesome :) 13:02:41 <andythenorth> I went to the pub 13:02:42 <Yexo> not sure if it's a big improvement, but at least it's python code now 13:02:46 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:02:52 <andythenorth> thanks 13:03:02 <Yexo> those spritelayouts still need to be simplified / rewritten I think 13:03:34 <NGC3982> andythenorth: Can we mindless normal people help you with your FIRS work in any way? 13:03:48 <andythenorth> yes 13:07:33 <andythenorth> get a checkout 13:12:19 <NGC3982> What's that 13:12:20 *** Knogle [knogle@1604ds5-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:12:55 *** Knogle [knogle@1604ds5-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 13:24:40 <planetmaker> source code under source control 13:25:19 <NGC3982> It seems to be beyond my grasp of the order of things. 13:25:52 <andythenorth> meh 13:25:58 <andythenorth> you won't be able to help then :P 13:26:09 <andythenorth> literally someone needs to copy and paste from 49 files to 49 other files 13:26:16 *** keoz [~keikoz@1.4.69.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 13:26:29 <Ammler> script it 13:26:45 <andythenorth> :P 13:26:49 <andythenorth> might do 13:27:06 <andythenorth> I don't have a reliable insertion point for the paste 13:27:16 <andythenorth> and I have never figured out regexp 13:27:51 <Ammler> well, if you think, someone just could do copy&paste, then scripting should work too 13:28:15 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@eduroam-237.felk.cvut.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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Human pattern matching is damn good 13:29:30 <planetmaker> otherwise captchas wouldn't work 13:29:43 <planetmaker> (well, they don't, but...) :-P 13:30:00 <andythenorth> Ammler: do you want to try? :) 13:30:10 <andythenorth> I can explain 13:31:19 <Ammler> well, if you explain, you might have setup the script :-P 13:31:32 <andythenorth> easier than that 13:32:43 <Ammler> planetmaker: so it is copy&paste&edit? 13:33:19 <andythenorth> Ammler: take the content from here http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/entry/conversion/industry_props/aluminium_plant 13:33:30 <andythenorth> and append it here http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/entry/sprites/nml/industries/aluminium_plant.py 13:33:50 <andythenorth> as parameters to the call that instantiates Industry() 13:34:01 <andythenorth> and ideally format whitespace :P 13:34:06 <andythenorth> repeat that for all 49 industries 13:34:40 <andythenorth> l18 has the instantiation 13:34:41 <Ammler> you have a finished example? 13:34:55 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 13:34:59 <andythenorth> nope but I could 13:36:45 <NGC3982> :( 13:36:58 * andythenorth waits for slow connection 13:37:34 <andythenorth> Ammler: http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/1855/ 13:38:11 <dada_> http://wedemandhtml.com/tmp/Colonialist%20Oppressors%20Ltd.,%2021-07-2392.png anyone know why there's a discrepancy between the company window's figure for road pieces (61,006) and the infrastructure window's figure (59,513)? 13:38:16 <andythenorth> somebody may wish to improve my python formatting :P 13:38:24 <andythenorth> I often format python as though it's html 13:38:25 <andythenorth> !correct 13:38:38 <dada_> ohh sorry I'm stupid, I realize now it just adds the regular road and the streetcar track.. 13:45:06 * andythenorth lunch 13:45:29 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 13:45:33 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host217-43-26-41.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:45:52 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:56:24 <Ammler> andythenorth: why don't you include that file there? 13:56:40 <Ammler> instead copy&paste 13:56:59 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: just don't mix tabs and spaces, the rest should be irrelevant :) 13:57:57 <NGC3982> Wait what 13:58:00 <Ammler> also it looks like every <industry>.py looks the same 13:58:07 <NGC3982> Lunch? I thought you where in Europe? 13:58:11 <NGC3982> Oh wait 13:58:15 <NGC3982> What. 13:58:21 <NGC3982> What on earth has happend to my clock. 13:58:27 <Eddi|zuHause> NGC3982: winter time 13:58:29 <NGC3982> 18:56 < NGC3982> What. 13:59:38 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@200.146.11.67.dynamic.dialup.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 14:00:41 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:06:58 *** benny|cl1ss [~ben@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:10:21 <andythenorth> Ammler: it would be a bit of a strange place to do an import :) 14:10:27 <andythenorth> (into the industry file) 14:10:45 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:16:49 <Ammler> wouldn't it also make edit of the probs easier? 14:18:07 <krinn> andythenorth, why not just cat file >> filecontentadded 14:19:02 <Eddi|zuHause> why not simply parse the file, with like an .ini parser or similar 14:19:49 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host217-43-119-89.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:27:05 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@62-241-226-131.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:33:43 <andythenorth> string 14:33:51 <andythenorth> not explicit 14:37:15 *** argoneus [~argoneus@smtp.gvp.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:37:39 <krinn> you just wish add content of fileA at end of fileB no ? 14:38:19 *** skipi [~smuxi@host22-185.tvk.torun.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:40:05 <Ammler> somewhere between :-) 14:40:19 <Ammler> and I also not sure, if he likes to replace it at change 14:41:47 <Yexo> it's a one-time replace 14:41:59 <Yexo> and it could've been done manually in the time you all spent discussing it ;) 14:42:17 <andythenorth> I'm going to c+p it :) 14:42:20 <andythenorth> but this was fun :) 14:42:34 <Ammler> Yexo: that is the worst excuse of not scripting it :-P 14:42:59 <krinn> if last lines never change, add that fixed stuff in another file cat it again 14:43:15 <Yexo> that depends if you want to have fun scripting it or be productive :) 14:43:23 <andythenorth> I (yexo) already scripted parsing the values out of the nml files ;) 14:43:33 <andythenorth> which has saved most of the time 14:44:01 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:44:06 <Ammler> Yexo: well, it also depends if the result is really what you want 14:44:46 <Ammler> andythenorth: how did you make those probs files? 14:44:51 <andythenorth> from nml 14:44:54 <andythenorth> via 2 python scripts 14:45:14 <andythenorth> and some manual editing 14:46:01 <andythenorth> Ammler: feel free to script - I won't be able to copy and paste it before tonight ;) 14:46:13 <andythenorth> if I script it, might not save time compared to c+p 14:46:21 <andythenorth> if you script it....definitely saves me time ;) 14:46:23 <andythenorth> bbl 14:46:34 <krinn> industry.render_and_save_pnml() and few comments upper are always the same on every file ? 14:46:40 <andythenorth> yes 14:46:47 <krinn> then put that into fileC 14:47:02 <andythenorth> ? 14:47:09 <krinn> and cat fileA >> fileB then cat fileC >> fileB 14:47:24 <andythenorth> ah 14:47:29 <andythenorth> how do I get it into fileC? 14:47:43 <andythenorth> bbl 14:47:46 <krinn> copy/paste, but done 1 time to build it 14:47:50 <andythenorth> :P 14:48:12 <Ammler> nah 14:48:35 <Ammler> you could also split it and cat again 14:48:55 <Ammler> but some .py files seems to have other content 14:49:11 <Ammler> I wouldn't even be able to do it via c&p 14:49:45 <krinn> or tag it with CONTENT_ADD and sed to replace that with another file content 14:50:05 <Ammler> krinn: if you need to open the file you could as good paste it 14:50:56 <krinn> you don't need to open it to insert a line (if place to insert it is always at the same line number) 14:51:25 <krinn> but like good scripting, if he is trying to add random thing, at random position, with random value : lol better going by hands 14:51:50 <Ammler> yes, I just wondered, why he thought, someone could do it too 14:52:11 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd make Industry.__init__() add itself to an industry list, and then "for industry in industry_list: industry.render()" 14:52:20 <Ammler> because if that would have been true, ti would be scriptable 14:52:30 <Eddi|zuHause> then you can leave it out of all the <industry>.py files 14:53:32 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-94-211.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 14:54:42 <Eddi|zuHause> that is pretty close to what CETS does, except i start out with a list instead of make the objects manually 14:56:09 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@200.146.11.67.dynamic.dialup.gvt.net.br] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:58:32 <Eddi|zuHause> CETS is not really object oriented 14:59:17 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe some things would be cleaner if it was 14:59:41 <krinn> i would cut this to : add last comomn lines in fileC, head -n 20 all files, and just cat a >> b cat c >> b 15:00:11 <krinn> so cut them in two parts, and reassemble them, easier way imo 15:05:46 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: I'll probably end up with an industry list yes 15:05:48 *** SkeedR [~skeedr@134.220.178.183] has joined #openttd 15:05:51 <andythenorth> this is duck-taped currently 15:05:57 <SkeedR> Hey folk 15:06:41 <SkeedR> Just trying to download the zbase baseset but the site seems to be down... 15:06:43 <telanus> http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/525529_480662851956549_337487370_n.jpg 15:07:03 <andythenorth> I had some 'add object to list' stuff, and alberth didn't like it when he reviewed my code (too magical) :P 15:08:34 <Eddi|zuHause> it's certainly not more magical than openttd's pool items :) 15:10:51 <andythenorth> :) 15:11:04 <andythenorth> I know a non-magical way to do it :P 15:11:29 <andythenorth> I'd need to change all my foo.py industry files, so that they can be imported without executing 15:12:32 <andythenorth> __main__ or whatever :P 15:13:01 <SkeedR> is there a setting I can change somewhere to tell ottd where to download stuff to? 15:20:43 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 15:25:42 <Yexo> SkeedR: move your config file and start openttd with -c path_to_config/openttd.cfg 15:25:51 <SkeedR> mmmk 15:25:58 <Yexo> iirc it'll store savegames / downloaded content relative to that directory 15:27:27 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 15:32:50 *** krinn [~krinn@115.227.101.84.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:51:28 *** opentdd778 [bc8d59d0@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:53:00 *** opentdd778 [bc8d59d0@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 15:54:41 *** opentdd778 [bc8d59d0@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:54:50 <opentdd778> hi 15:55:30 <planetmaker> hi 15:55:50 <SkeedR> Banned from tycoon eh... 15:56:07 *** opentdd778 [bc8d59d0@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [] 15:57:09 <LordAro> that's nice - he quit before being banned :) 15:57:23 <SkeedR> :P 15:57:26 <planetmaker> why would he be banned? 15:58:09 <LordAro> http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/tycoon/last?count=200 15:58:18 <LordAro> since you're not on there :) 15:58:30 *** argoneus [~argoneus@ip-78-102-118-47.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 15:59:21 <SkeedR> what's up with openttdcoop.org? 15:59:43 <LordAro> no idea, i just go there for logs :) 15:59:46 <planetmaker> server has issues... waiting for manual reset 16:00:03 <SkeedR> ah 16:00:46 <LordAro> oh, right... ignore me... :L 16:00:59 <SkeedR> I am 16:01:13 <LordAro> :P 16:02:04 <planetmaker> this migration works badly... a broken mainboard in the server didn't speed up our testing either. I'm sorry 16:03:29 <SkeedR> No problem, I can wait ;) 16:06:39 <SkeedR> funnily ieee.org also appers to be down 16:06:44 <SkeedR> *appears 16:07:58 <planetmaker> seems we're back :-) 16:14:22 *** Vadtec [~Vadtec@2001:470:1f06:13e0::1337] has joined #openttd 16:33:40 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat-ulcn.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:41:12 <Ammler> do I see the ID of a content somwhere on the web? "[2012-10-31 16:36:47] Completed download of 2350" 16:41:38 <Ammler> or somewhere else to know what that content could be? 16:42:34 *** telanus1 [~telanus@105-236-172-139.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #openttd 16:44:10 <Ammler> how do you use content select id ? 16:45:14 <Ammler> hmm, content state 16:46:43 <Ammler> does someone use the console command content without downloading all? 16:48:57 *** telanus [~telanus@105-236-172-139.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:59:21 *** dada_ [~dada_@dhcp-077-250-097-191.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: goodbyte] 17:02:24 *** Hyronymus [~Thunderbi@5ED1CCB7.cm-7-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:03:07 *** telanus1 [~telanus@105-236-172-139.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:11:31 *** Jake|afk [~chatzilla@host31-51-108-249.range31-51.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:11:44 *** roland [~roland@194-166-217-113.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 17:12:15 *** roland is now known as Guest3914 17:16:19 *** Jake|afk is now known as Jake 17:16:23 *** Guest3879 [~roland@194-166-220-26.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:19:48 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-095-033-152-132.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 17:40:54 *** andythenorth [~Andy@31.102.22.4] has joined #openttd 17:42:43 *** andythenorth [~Andy@31.102.22.4] has left #openttd [] 17:43:03 *** andythenorth [~Andy@31.102.22.4] has joined #openttd 17:43:07 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 17:56:54 *** SkeedR [~skeedr@134.220.178.183] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:57:58 *** andythenorth is now known as Guest3922 17:57:58 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:02:18 *** DanMacK [~AndChat61@74.198.9.205] has joined #openttd 18:02:36 *** DanMacK [~AndChat61@74.198.9.205] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:03:01 *** DanMacK [~AndChat61@74.198.9.205] has joined #openttd 18:04:20 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has joined #openttd 18:04:35 <RavingManiac> It took joining a multiplayer game 18:04:51 <RavingManiac> for me to realise how I had been playing this game horribly, horribly wrong 18:04:55 *** Guest3922 [~Andy@31.102.22.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:05:15 <RavingManiac> D: 18:05:26 <RavingManiac> Also, hi 18:08:53 <DanMacK> Hey 18:09:21 <DanMacK> There's really no 'right' or 'wrong' waybto bplay 18:09:27 <planetmaker> ^^ 18:09:41 <planetmaker> the right way to play is the way you have fun to play 18:09:45 <planetmaker> I'd say ;-) 18:09:47 <DanMacK> *way to play 18:11:52 <RavingManiac> :/ 18:12:32 <RavingManiac> The Wrong way to play is to make all your train lines "point A to B" 18:12:49 *** Hyronymus [~Thunderbi@5ED1CCB7.cm-7-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Hyronymus] 18:13:10 <planetmaker> is it? 18:13:53 <RavingManiac> It's not in the spirit of the game... 18:13:55 <RavingManiac> :/ 18:14:58 <andythenorth> nonsense 18:15:11 <andythenorth> when I played TTD as a kid, everybody built 4 track stations 18:15:16 <andythenorth> with 4 lines connecting them 18:15:22 <andythenorth> no crossings, no signals 18:15:24 <DanMacK> Same here 18:15:46 <RavingManiac> anyway, when were path signals introduced? 18:22:04 <planetmaker> a few years back. A few years back further they were removed. And even further back another implementation was introduced 18:37:59 <NGC3982> Im actually back at "A to B" 18:38:23 <NGC3982> Was a bit fed up on ultra-powered-phantom-order schedules. 18:38:33 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:3800:7e48:bb8f:1ad5] has joined #openttd 18:38:36 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 18:39:09 <DanMacK> I start with A to B and expand on that 18:39:16 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:39:23 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fef8e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:39:30 <andythenorth> quak 18:39:34 <frosch123> moin :) 18:43:39 <keoz> it is not possible to load a newgrf in an already started game ? 18:44:12 <andythenorth> yes it is 18:44:22 <andythenorth> but only if you're a newgrf developer 18:45:04 <planetmaker> keoz, warranty void, if newgrfs changed ;-) 18:45:05 <keoz> that means, there is some command in the console which lets do it :-) 18:45:17 <keoz> Right ? 18:45:45 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r24654 /trunk/src/lang (6 files) (2012-10-31 18:45:33 UTC) 18:45:46 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:47 <DorpsGek> belarusian - 6 changes by KorneySan 18:45:48 <DorpsGek> italian - 6 changes by lorenzodv 18:45:49 <DorpsGek> latvian - 6 changes by Parastais 18:45:50 <DorpsGek> norwegian_bokmal - 14 changes by jhsoby 18:45:51 <DorpsGek> russian - 1 changes by KorneySan 18:45:52 <DorpsGek> ukrainian - 16 changes by edd_k 18:46:00 <keoz> planetmaker : I don't take a to great risk, I think :-) 18:46:41 <planetmaker> keoz, you risk to crash openttd and irrevocably damage your savegame beyond repair 18:46:57 <planetmaker> take your chance, thus 18:47:09 <DanMacK> So save it then screw with it 18:47:39 <Jake> keoz: Not by using the console, but by changing a config file value. And I've been doing it since before it was disabled by default and never had a problem, but it's best to err on the side of caution if you've spent hours getting your scenario just right. 18:47:57 <planetmaker> Jake, and changing config can be done via console ;-) 18:48:21 <Jake> Oh. 18:48:28 <keoz> Jake : that's the point. I remember it was possible, when I used to play (about 2 years ago) 18:49:15 <planetmaker> keoz, scenario developer might suffice for your needs. Unless you really want to develop newgrfs 18:50:03 <keoz> newgrf_developer_tools = false 18:50:06 <keoz> i bet on that one 18:50:23 <keoz> planetmaker : actually, I didnt think in changing it in the scenario editor 18:50:51 <planetmaker> doesn't matter, keoz 18:50:56 <keoz> i'll do that. But i'm also gonna change the grf setting. I'm curious 18:51:02 <planetmaker> use scenario_editor nonetheless 18:51:03 <keoz> :) 18:51:20 <planetmaker> editor? developer, I think. whatever 18:51:48 <keoz> thank you everybody 18:52:34 <keoz> and thank you for making a such great game (btw) 18:56:01 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.162.180] has joined #openttd 18:59:00 *** DanMacK [~AndChat61@74.198.9.205] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:02:58 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.185.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:06:24 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:06:27 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 19:07:22 <Alberth> o/ 19:08:11 <planetmaker> hi Alberth 19:08:13 *** dada_ [~dada_@dhcp-077-250-097-191.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 19:12:20 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-94-211.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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:) 19:56:33 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:57:11 <andythenorth> lo 19:57:43 <drac_boy> hi andythenorth 19:57:53 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@ip82-139-82-247.lijbrandt.net] has quit [Quit: freaking internet; back tomorrow] 20:12:58 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:14:26 <andythenorth> time for 49x copy and paste 20:16:34 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18FD8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:18:36 <andythenorth> Alberth: is it bad to use **kwargs simply because I can't be bothered to specify all params? 20:18:47 <andythenorth> (for an _init_ ) 20:19:32 <Alberth> Python believes explicit is better than implicit 20:19:37 <Alberth> and I do too :) 20:20:00 <andythenorth> :P 20:20:05 <andythenorth> what a lot of code :P 20:20:07 <andythenorth> but +1 20:20:25 <Zuu> 49x c&p sounds like you need either a preprocessor or a macro in your code editor. 20:20:26 <Alberth> you can give a dict as parameter of course :p 20:21:02 <Zuu> Or write a python script to write the code :-p 20:21:02 <drac_boy> heh 20:21:15 <andythenorth> also I can set defaults neatly with explicit params 20:21:53 <Alberth> you can also set them all to some default, and then override them with assignments later 20:24:08 <Yexo> <Zuu> 49x c&p sounds like you need either a preprocessor or a macro in your code editor. <- it's from 49 different files to 49 other files 20:44:18 <andythenorth> and it's done :) 20:44:22 <andythenorth> doesn't bloody complie 20:44:26 <andythenorth> or even compile 20:44:41 <andythenorth> but that's ok 20:46:14 <NGC3982> Damn night cravings. 20:49:52 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:3800:7e48:bb8f:1ad5] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:50:03 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:3800:7e48:bb8f:1ad5] has joined #openttd 20:50:27 <andythenorth> hmm 20:50:37 <Alberth> hmm 20:50:38 <andythenorth> I'm going to need to find default values for all industry props 20:50:46 <andythenorth> or we could sing a song instead 20:50:47 <Alberth> random! 20:50:56 <andythenorth> point 20:52:04 * NGC3982 sings 20:52:13 <andythenorth> anybody want to put 49 * 26 parameters into a neat and tidy order? 20:52:14 <NGC3982> About moustaches and jam. 20:52:20 <NGC3982> Sure 20:52:26 <NGC3982> What format? 20:52:40 <andythenorth> you'll need a checkout 20:52:43 * NGC3982 could use vbs with excel for that. 20:52:44 <Alberth> write a script 20:53:01 <andythenorth> Alberth: I'd have to write a script to write my script 20:53:14 <andythenorth> I prefer the mechanical turk method :P 20:53:32 <andythenorth> actually I could do something insanely ugly with string.split 20:53:39 <andythenorth> or such 20:53:50 <andythenorth> if property name in line 20:53:57 <andythenorth> push to a dict, rejoin 20:53:58 <andythenorth> meh 20:54:15 * NGC3982 spends half his days sorting huge csv documents. 20:54:25 <DorpsGek> Commit by alberth :: r24655 trunk/src/company_gui.cpp (2012-10-31 20:54:19 UTC) 20:54:26 <DorpsGek> -Codechange(r18310): Difference between female and male is no longer needed for tie and earrings (found by botankras) 20:54:55 <andythenorth> NGC3982: do you offer contract services? :P 20:55:03 <Alberth> NGC3982: just make nice stacks :) 20:55:04 <NGC3982> Yes, i do. 20:55:12 <NGC3982> Alberth: Yes, that's the point. 20:55:38 <NGC3982> I work with marketing, and most of my Office work is related to cleaning and sorting addressee lists. 20:55:57 <andythenorth> write a python script to do it 20:56:15 * andythenorth ponders what to do next 20:56:17 <NGC3982> @calc 49*26 20:56:18 <DorpsGek> NGC3982: 1274 20:56:24 <NGC3982> That doesn't sound like much. 20:56:55 <NGC3982> What's the build-up? How do you want it sorted? 20:58:38 * NGC3982 also notes that "What's the build-up" is a Sinatra line from 1960's Ocean's Eleven. 21:03:28 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host86-138-119-145.range86-138.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:14:40 <Eddi|zuHause> <DorpsGek> -Codechange(r18310): Difference between female and male is no longer needed for tie and earrings (found by botankras) <-- hasn't this gender-egalitarian stuff gone too far meanwhile? :p 21:16:39 <Alberth> apparently not since 2009, but we never notived it 21:16:46 <Alberth> *noticed 21:26:16 <andythenorth> la la la 21:26:44 <frosch123> night 21:26:47 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fef8e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:28:05 * andythenorth wonders what nml does if an item property is '' 21:28:13 <andythenorth> empricism would know the answer :P 21:29:42 <peter1138> i remember the old days 21:29:56 <peter1138> of setting the same property for multiple ids in a single action 0 21:30:01 <andythenorth> I remember coding nfo without escapes :( 21:30:04 <andythenorth> and no templating 21:30:10 <peter1138> what's an escape? 21:30:18 <andythenorth> exactly 21:30:24 <peter1138> exactly 21:30:27 <andythenorth> and counting bytes 21:30:29 <andythenorth> ] 21:30:35 <andythenorth> not knowing about nforenum 21:30:43 <peter1138> and reading "commented" code, by george ;) 21:30:53 <andythenorth> mine was worse 21:31:00 <andythenorth> I commented it as though it was python 21:31:12 <andythenorth> incorrectly apparently 21:31:17 <andythenorth> worked though :P 21:31:20 <andythenorth> young people today 21:31:24 <andythenorth> don't know how lucky they are 21:34:13 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r24656 /branches/1.2 (4 files in 3 dirs) (2012-10-31 21:34:07 UTC) 21:34:14 <DorpsGek> [1.2] -Update: some documentation 21:38:43 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r24657 /tags/1.2.3 (10 files in 4 dirs) (2012-10-31 21:38:37 UTC) 21:38:44 <DorpsGek> -Release: 1.2.3 21:38:51 <andythenorth> o_O 21:40:32 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r24658 /trunk (5 files in 3 dirs) (2012-10-31 21:40:26 UTC) 21:40:33 <DorpsGek> -Merge: release documentation updates from 1.2 21:45:16 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:59:16 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d108-180-123-63.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 21:59:19 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 22:11:50 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@62-241-226-131.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:12:13 <andythenorth> bye 22:12:13 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:12:31 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@62-241-226-131.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 22:13:35 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@modemcable105.141-163-184.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd [I'm done being in this room!] 22:19:04 *** argoneus [~argoneus@ip-78-102-118-47.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:21:40 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:35:17 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 22:35:37 *** Pinkbeast [damerell@chiark.greenend.org.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:45:22 <Zuu> scp is really cool. I'm currently preparing a new NoCarGoal release with scp support. My test AI now have full information about which cargos that are goal cargos. 22:45:33 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host86-138-119-145.range86-138.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 17.0/20121023124120]] 22:50:12 <Terkhen> nice :) 22:59:28 <Terkhen> good night 23:04:50 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-76-182.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 23:10:47 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@62-241-226-131.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 23:11:00 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-87-77.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:12:55 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:18:22 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@modemcable105.141-163-184.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 23:18:36 <drac_boy> hi 23:39:16 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-27-48-52.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:45:44 <Ammler> #1 2 oder 3 :-) 23:46:15 <Eddi|zuHause> tor 3 oder den roten umschlag? 23:46:26 <Eddi|zuHause> :p 23:46:39 <Ammler> #das ist doch keine Hexerei 23:48:25 <Eddi|zuHause> great... now i've got the "zonk" sound stuck in my head...